Jorn, God of Winter | Upping the Average

[@Insanir]

I'm running land auras like Wild Growth on my snow lands as ramp and some unblockable equipments. As an Austrian I'm also talking like Schwarzenegger's Mr. Freeze while playing with the deck. Last time one of my friends also played with Jared Cathalion aka Conan, so it was a blast :D

[@iceclimber189]

I hope you and your group are having an ice time.

[@Balooh]

Great card draw addition would be Underworld Connections. (Enchant land, enchant land has tap to draw a card.) With Jorn out it can draw you two cards per turn since lands get untapped.

[@TheStephenation]

"The question then becomes: where do we want to put all that mana? There is, of course, only one logical answer." Me: Extra turns spells! "An avalanche." Me: That's right, extra-wait, what?

[@Sheriff_K]

Me: Kruphix, God of Horizons and just save the Mana for a rainy day.. wait, I mean snowy* day.

[@ErasmusHereticus]

Always good to see Matt's level of humor rubbing off on ya, keep it up :3

[@mystikx2205]

No, I don't think that's it. I think it was just a case of Matt writing the script.....

[@Stino7777777]

Thank you Joey and EDHrecast for another great video. I build a snow deck after Kaldheim was released and enjoying it a lot ever since. It consistently wins commander games (not competitive), mainly because you have double mana since turn 4 and all snow stuff interacts perfectly with each other. The three colors provide with alot of answers. Jorn is cheap to cast so no big deal if destroyed early. My deck is mainly the same as Joey's, but I want to share some ice-cold tips for my fellow snow players: Add: Mouth of Ronom (a snow-land that destroys creatures!) Glacial Revelation (a 3 mana sorcery that generally lets you draw 3-4 cards!) Avalanche Caller (this wins matches late game. I see Joey's point at 4:30, but did he notice it grants Hexproof to your lands?) Vedalken Orrery (its price dropped to about € 4 after DM22. Staple for Jorn, Synergy +100) Buried Alive + Wonder and Brawn (and Narfi). Giving all your creatures flying + trample for 3 mana is great, also since the deck doesn't run so many creatures. It also synergizes with the Rimestaff. I found myself a slight shortage of snow cards, mostly creatures. As Joey mentioned, some non-snow cards are just plain better. Since you'll get a lot of mana early, consider these mostly non-budget cards: Asceticm, The Great Henge, Curse of the Swine, Ulamog the Infinite Gyre, Hydroid Krasis, Murkfiend Liege, Koma Cosmos Serpent, Apex Devastator and Solve the Equation (to fetch Dead of Winter i.e.). Lastly, if you want to show your friends your heart is not as cold as ice, add some playable flavor cards: Frozen Aether, Panglacial Wurm, and Glittering Frost. The latter helps converting your Commander Tower, Opulent Palace, Zagoth Triome and Scry-dual-lands into snow sources as well. And have you thought of buying a few Snow lands with a different language, how about a Verschneiter Wald from Coldsnap? I found that hilarious. Winter is coming.

[@Matt-wk3ud]

Do you have a deck list cause that sounds like a "cool" deck

[@Stino7777777]

@@Matt-wk3ud Hi Matt! I uploaded all my decks on Archidekt this week, so yes I have a decklist that I can share with you. If you send me a PM I will gladly send you the snow list.

[@DanielSalkin]

is there any chance I could see that decklist?

[@nagashizzar3978]

Thank you so much! Was just going to build this deck so perfect timing!

[@Yesnomu]

This looks like a fun list! One concern I have is helping Jorn not be killed in combat since he has to swing in--would something like Whispersilk Cloak be relevant here?

[@Insanir]

I also recommend Prowler's Helm and Trailblazer's Boots. And Key to the City can target your opponent's creatures...for political reasons ;)

[@daxamlhant7285]

I built Jorn which ended up very similar to this final list, but I had whispersilk and kept rime transfusion for that reason

[@Kryptnyt]

Tap down the big ones with Icebind Pillar! Activate it, untap it, activate it again!

[@jacobharris2129]

Cards like orhan frostfang, now of nylea and dolmen gate are pretty fun and interesting ways to protect jorn as well.

[@darthdespot5120]

to me those equipment's are essential. I run whipersilk cloak, prowlers helm, trailblazer boots, etc. it really helps the commander. and then when you get one of your big boys out you can swap them over if need be.

[@penguwave4025]

Finally someone recognizes the memes behind Sunstone

[@darthdespot5120]

sunstone has saved me many of times and forces my opponents to attack someone else!

[@coopmeister3000]

I'm a big fan of Whispersilk Cloak, Asceticism, and Sword of Feast and Famine in Jorn (though obviously the Sword is not so budget friendly). Whispersilk lets him attack freely to get the trigger and gives him shroud for protection as well. Jorn untaps our lands to let have mana to hold up for Asceticism, and it gives us more protection with Hexproof, and the Sword is more or less a second copy of our commander.

[@seliphsnom2596]

Joey you had to bring the stasis lock to my attention now that is 100% going into my jorn deck when i build him

[@Bjoern_1897]

i hate players like you

[@akaPastorBaby]

Omg love the scarf look! 💕

[@brendenlittle3296]

Budget permitting, would a walking ballista work for this deck? Ramping to add tons of counters and removing counters to kill threats?

[@darthdespot5120]

Ive been having a ice blast with my Jorn deck. I have many equipments that allow my jorn and other big boys to become unblockable: whispersilk cloak, prowlers helm, trailblazer boots, etc. This way jorn can always attack. then i have several outlets to give me card draw and unlimited hand size. plus several ways to bank mana over turns. deck works great. sunstone is a good addition as well that has saved me several times.

[@Sheriff_K]

For expensive staples, I just make sure to have 1 actual copy, and proxy it for my other decks so I don't need to buy multiple copies.

[@nesto801]

So I built this deck, it is 🧃 🔥🙌🏽

[@daxamlhant7285]

Rime Transfusion seems too good at keeping Jorn safe in combat to cut from the deck. Getting Jorn through is probably the weakest aspect of the final list.

[@IAmVikng]

This is great!!! I hope to see Lathril soon as well!

[@fabriziolande4819]

I love this series!

[@johanandersson8252]

Also here is some tips, the Mirage fetches, Status//Statue instead of Putrefy for more targets, Bound// Determined. Maybe Aesi or Tatyova if they aren’t in the list.

[@deadNdivine12]

Them puns though.. Nice deck tech.

[@HiyaaGeorgie]

It’s pronounced “Yorn” just like we say Jesper, the artists name! But this video was amazing

[@jeremypuckett3060]

Avalanche caller gives them hexproof might want to reconsider it

[@LibertyMonk]

Being targeted isn't the terrifying thing about animating your lands, though hexproof does help a bit more than Sylvan Awakening's indestructible. Aetherize, Evacuation, Dire Hour, Consume the Meek, and Rout are all instant speed board wipes which would ruin your day if you animated too many lands. Settle the Wreckage and others exist too, but mostly don't have much effect on lands. That said, it's actually *difficult* to animate more than a third of your lands at best, considering it costs 2 to animate each one, which isn't exactly what I'd call an upside.

[@livanbard]

they still die to lame shit that target ALL attacking creatures.

[@fernandostar3507]

Could you do an upping the average on tymna the weever and akiri line slinger artifact deck in the future?

[@zoopdoop_games]

In the few games I have managed to get Avalanche Caller he has never failed to dissapoint. You are in green so odds are you are already ramping a lot so losing a land here or there isnt a big deal when compared to just pounding face when you have nothing better to do.

[@VampiricGamess]

Maze of ith effects to untap Jorn and remove him from combat after he untaps could be decent.

[@JasonUmbergerLordofnothing]

I'm going to make the suggestion for mirrormade. If you cast it on the staff and sac the original, you can then send it to the graveyard then the copy will cast the original one and put it up on the front and give us jorn.

[@gtfawaynotnow]

You can get more utility out of your utility lands with arcum’s weathervane.

[@rubyyrare]

unfortunately as of today, fierce guardianship has only gone up since the making of this video, and i highly doubt they'll reprint it anytime soon, if ever. that, deflecting swat, and deadly rollick all are essentially auto includes in their respective colors, but the price makes them so hard to actually put in. i myself only have one copy of them each from buying the precons, and i got them around when guardianship was $30-40, but currently it's sitting around $60-65, and it's stuck in my veyran storm deck alongside said deflecting swat for the time being. which, that makes it tough to decide what removals to put in new decks i make in those colors, because i'm always tempted to take them out of the decks they're already in for the new ones. wizards knows they kinda fucked up printing the cycle by trying to make super powerful cards more accessible, but all it did was just end up driving the value of the precons up, and because of that is why i think they likely won't get reprinted, adding to the value of them even MORE. it kinda snowballed into "either we reprint it and everyone who bought it at a high price is gonna be mad, or we don't and the price just goes up more, making more people mad". it's a lose-lose for them, and if they never got printed, it never would've happened. unfortunate, but it happened and we just gotta accept it. those who have the budget to buy multiples obviously aren't that affected by it, but a good majority of people don't have that kind of spending money to throw around on some cardboard. :(

[@johanandersson8252]

The John Snow deck.

[@samk8005]

Just finished a few games with the new list - this mana base could use some work yet. With cards in all three colors requiring double colored mana, subbing out fetch lands for colorless lands might be a little much - I would rather see things like Zagoth Triome going in, especially since Jorn can untap it mid-combat.

[@samk8005]

Could also use some more haste enablers for things like Conifer Wurm. With multiple ways to put out Marit Lage, it may even be worth running something like Chariot of Victory.

[@Stino7777777]

Zagoth Triome will not be untapped by Jorn, it's not snow.

[@TheEzraKiihn]

How does the God of Winter not have White Mana in his cost? :'(

[@danielyarsky6128]

Because White is hated

[@Insanir]

white isn't cool enough

[@TheEzraKiihn]

That's cold man.

[@heavenbot]

I don't see much order or justice in the winter, myself. Nor do I see morality, or anything about communal strength. I suppose huddling together to stay warm, but that sounds more like a counter to winter than an aspect of it.

[@TheEzraKiihn]

@@heavenbot you raise good points. Counterpoint: snow.

[@peteryankowsky]

"Jorn, God of Winter | Lowering the Price"

[@Bjoern_1897]

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[@dantebeleren]

Unrelated Challenge the Stats suggestion: Deluge from Odyssey/10th Ed. Only in 172 decks, it can easily go into any flying matters Ux decks as a way to tap down threats without losing your blocks or opens the doors as a political tool for others to attack (not you).

[@AaronBruffett]

I think it might make the cut If you are playing mono-blue flying matters. It looks like a non-repeatable fog effect. If you are in UW, you can put a holy day on an Isochron Scepter and call it a day.

[@GeekandGlory]

I'm actually thinking about building Jorn with a Vultron theme with big beefy creatures as a sub theme. I obviously don't want the god of winter to die but he wants to attack so might as well give him the tools and let him smack people in the face.

[@rubyseverinwhitworth9066]

I would love to see you make Licia, Sanguine Tribune because she is missing one small thing which she really needs, LIFE GAIN. so I would love to see how you change her to make her deck strat work because she currently doesn't work like she really should and that is sad because she is quite interesting design

[@Insanir]

Is it possible that Lifegain is becoming a somewhat asocial strategy like stax and land destruction in EDH? Like against the "social conduct" of EDH. I've made that observation in my playgroup. Dedicated Lifegain decks tends to make games unnecessarily long and unfun in my opinion.

[@caseywellington4761]

@@Insanir Commander damage doesn't care about your life total. It's my go-to strategy against decks that gain 500 life

[@LibertyMonk]

@@Insanir yeah, commanders that swing through for decent chunks, decks that have infinite combo pieces or alternate win conditions all ignore lifegain or see it as a minor roadblock. Also not really sure what Joe is on about her missing life gain. The average decklist has a bunch of lifegain & lifegain synergy cards, and Licia even has lifelink.

[@Insanir]

@@LibertyMonk I guess it depends on the playgroup. Mine plays most times with my decks, and I have few Voltron and none combo decks. And the threat assessement of my buddies is hit and miss :D

[@rubyseverinwhitworth9066]

@@LibertyMonk when I gold fished it I was never drawing life gain, and when it was it was only was never enough to trigger the effects that trigger off a certain amount of gained life and that was only when I was swinging out with my board with a war sorin on board. it maybe not be fore you, but I count only 11 sources of life gain, and those count the massive x spells which you cannot use early enough to start making the deck run well, so your board is just a few understated creatures waiting to start triggering which would die before ever doing anything.

[@90kalos1]

I've been traumatized by jorn. First person to play, turn 1 jeweled lotus into Jorn, played a lotus petal and then dropped a root maze. Turn two cracked the petal to help cast a stasis. Never once got untapped mana

[@darthdespot5120]

i have decided personally not to play stasis or winter orb in my jorn deck. it felt like it would be to cheap and unfun.

[@PuTeee89]

I like your videos! I just want to hear your and every one elses opinion about proxies. My playgroup uses them a lot (We actually only play edh with each other anyway). I have a lot of decks and it would be nearly impossible to have them all ready with the real cards. In the end, magic is a reaaaaally really great but super expensive game and I want to play and win because I am good at decision making and deckbuilding and not because i spent all my money for a fierce guardianship and 6 fetchlands or whatever.

[@Insanir]

My take on proxies: They are OK as long as all the decks on the table are somewhat similar in power level.

[@filippocacciotto3890]

In my playgroup, proxies are allowed if you're playtesting a card in order to decide if you wanna buy it or not or if you already have a copy of it in other decks

[@elizatovarpalomo1294]

I like this comander

[@happybrain2674]

this is allready a deck you can upping the average????

[@LibertyMonk]

Well only 106 decks when he recorded, up to 180 as I type, and most of them are Snow.deck plus a few goodstuff expensive cards. Pretty easy list to brainstorm.

[@moedark4390]

its not always about the best card. if u want power, choose another commander. this guys all about icey flavor

[@RetroManDrik]

I thought Jorn should be pronounce like "Yorn" as the Command Zone podcast just said? 🤔

[@enoeht]

It should be, literally EVERY SINGLE content creator has gotten it wrong

[@Quoth_]

~2.156 puns/second (p

[@TiltedSquare]

I just run all snow basics and have big dumb creatures. :P

[@omegajewjew8255]

Its pronounced: dorkus balorkus.

[@Sheriff_K]

"Dark Depths isn't a must have card.." I begin EVERY new deck list when brewing with Dark Depths + Thespian's Stage (yes, I used to be a Lands player, and yes Dark Depths is tied for my favorite card with Dryad Arbor,) but sadly I end up cutting it from the final list 9 times out of 10.. :'(

[@ryanrasmussen1016]

Yorn*

[@beatthetar]

Djorn

[@enoeht]

Straight from Google when you search "Scandinavian J proinunciation" j is always pronounced like y, as in 'yes'. Jorn is pronounced 'Yorn'. I really enjoy this series, but it's so exhausting to listen to every KZbin content creator get it wrong over and over and over again.

[@IncrediPaulAZ]

But then you don't get to say "Jorn Snow" 😁. Yorn Snow doesn't quite have the same ring to it. Don't worry, I'm also a stickler for grammar and pronunciation. The biggest annoyance for me is when people pronounce "bruschetta" as "bru-she-ta" (it's supposed to be pronounced "bru-ske-tta")

[@dedhart]

Does no one know how to pronounce Jorn?

[@fieldingfowler3793]

Too many puns!!! I can’t watch this shit. Ok well I watched all of it and it help with my deck but still way way too many puns!!!!!

[@vasylpark2149]

Please, please don't do the dad jokes.

[@batardglouton5455]

Is this a budget channel? I'm not sure it's that relevant to talk about budget when so many people play proxies. Play the player, not their wallet. It just looks like a watered down sultai deck-the most expensive colors. This poses a problem because the mana curve is higher and individual card quality is lower. I think there's enough info on card substitution out there. Anyway, I guess if the premise here is creativity above competitiveness, then I can understand.