Isshin, Two Heavens as One | Upping the Average

[@54m0h7]

Loyal Unicorn is such an under valued card. It prevents all the damage to your whole team AND gives them vigilance, that's amazing! I've had it in a few decks and it does play just as good as it sounds.

[@jimalabi3225]

This unicorn allows you to keep Aurelia... Having vigilance solves the not untapping a second time issue :)

[@elizatovarpalomo1294]

@@jimalabi3225 yep i have it with serras blessing

[@groundswelllegitcoffeeandb3810]

It’s like a budget reconnaissance. Gives vigilance and allows you to attack with everything safely. Of course reconnaissance “cheats vigilance” post-combat damage.

[@Ijustwannapump]

It's amazing with this to not have to tap for additional combats

[@IBeScrappyDoo2]

Instead of creating a 1/1 or 2/2 token, you can use "Divine Visitation" to create 4/4 flying angels that are tapped and attacking.

[@thetogtube2]

AND anointed procession :)

[@dominickkrahnstoever7362]

People whose meta involves lots of creature heavy decks, or a few big creature decks, might want to consider Ankle Shanker. Its a 5 mana, mardu 2/2 with haste and its attack trigger gives my creatures first strike and deathtouch until eot. It allows me to keep swinging my creatures with low toughness that are vulnerable to blockers.

[@tmakalpha1]

Angel's Trumpet has done some really good work for me with Isshin. Opponents can only block with creatures they attacked with, including yourself, and means that haste is your best friend. If your opponents don't have haste, creatures that just ETBed hurt instead of helping them, and can't even defend!

[@Ryan-so3il]

Coastline marauders has treated me very well.

[@roberthansen4266]

You have solved my dilemma of what to cut/what to add for my current build! I was on the fence with a few things, but this deck tech was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you so much!

[@UgoneTheBest]

Not gonna lie I really like this and might build it even if I'm gonna miss Blue so much! Thanks a lot for the Budget section, it really helps!

[@okgut2033]

I want to just remember it also can be easyly used for "combat controll" and "political combat" via Duelist's Heritage, lightmine field, adding all curses, all enchantments that let lose life if attacking you, all the pillafords, all the goats. You choose how far you want to go with those elements but if you let me choose one card it would be the crown of doom even if you dont controll it so it doesnt get the trigger. Just get creative :)

[@glowface6027]

yeah i was going to run lightmine field but i was going for a sort of spam/voltron my ledgendaires combe and lightmine field can undermine everything, even though its apowerful card with isshin. I would say its better for what you said or voltron/indestructible creatures.

[@coreyroberson4550]

Triumphant Adventurer and Vengeful Ancestor - how were these two not already in the average decklist? There is a dedicated Sefris venture deck played at my LGS, but my Isshin deck out-ventures it every time (I also run Nadaar and Thorough Investigation) - I've averaged 3+ completed dungeons with ease. Vengeful Ancestor has become one of my favorite new cards, and I've put it in a lot of decks, but it really shines in Isshin. Doubling the goad quadruples the damage, but it also helps trigger other attach triggers, and the flying comes in handy a lot more than people realize.

[@RoboNorris]

Here early, thanks for always posting amazing content!

[@MrMinger]

This is the first I've ever seen anyone speak to the glory of Fireflux Squad and as someone who shoved it into a Rionya deck, I can attest that that is the most fun creature generator in the deck. Amazing video and helped me feel better about what was initially looking like a very expensive build.

[@ethanwiggen3567]

Yessss,the video I've been waiting for

[@GeeGeeGeeR]

I broke it down to 3 main builds, Tokens, big attackers, and exalted samurai style. I opted for tokens when I built it on set release, but I cut cards like etali for not fitting my particular archetype. I also tried to fill draw/removal/ramp into attack triggers as well and cut staples like smothering tithe/t.prot/land tax etc, really tried to make it thematic and not as pushed as my usual builds. Super fun commander, I appreciated seeing you put in almost exclusively cards I was running and pull ones I'm not hahah

[@VileoSufora4]

I built my Isshin full of Samurai and Warriors to take advantage of all the "attacking alone" triggers from Neon Dynasty, but I also threw in a twist with a whole bunch of Exalted cards. Basically the inversion of Marton Stromgald, Sublime Archangel or Angelic Exaltation giving your attacking creature a buff for twice the number of creatures you have. You can even still play Adeline because you can order your triggers on the stack so that she gets the Exalted buffs before her tokens resolve. There's a lot of neat tricks to Exalted. It is lower power level than this deck list, but if your play group is on a lower power level and you still want to play Isshin, it can be a great solution.

[@54m0h7]

One card that I'd like to "Challenge the Stats" on for Isshin is Delina, Wild Mage. She creates a token of another creature you control, but the token is already tapped an attacking, so you don't get the attack trigger for it. It also has "Exile this creature at end of combat." So even if you get an extra combat step you won't have the token around to ever get the trigger from it. It's good for the bodies, like two extra 4/4 attacking is great, but I feel like it just doesn't really make the cut for me.

[@mn6334]

Delina is such a weird card to me. There's so many decks that at first glance she seems like she'd be good in but then when you dig a little deeper she ends up not working quite the way you want to get the best out of her.

[@mfitkin]

Fireflux squad grabbed me etali and blade historian the other day. It was awesome even though etali got removed before it attacked. Fireflux is the real deal in isshin

[@ethanwiggen3567]

Some over performers for me have been smugglers copter, and shared animosity. The random tribal synnergy is great, and while it doesn't pump toughness the power boost can be well over that if fervent charge. Looter scooter on the other hand has been great for card selection, 2 loots for every attack on a flying body is great. Its not budget but dolmen gate is another immunity piece allowing free attacks. I've been loving isshin and while recovering from a board wipe is difficult the initial onslaught can have a huge damage output.

[@danielsheraton5433]

Ah I love this set, using lion sash in my Rin and Seri deck is nuts. It buffs a creature, counts as a cat spell and acts as grave hate all in one. I'd love to see a Sydri, Galvanic Genius deck with all these new vehicles.

[@EmperorNorton668]

Basri Ket is a cool card to create even more tokens. Savior of Ollenbock is another I am trying out in my list. With Training triggering twice you can exile two things. Not sure if it will work out, but I desperately want to find a place for that card.

[@jimalabi3225]

Just remember that Basri Ket's -2 ability doesn't put double the tokens :(

[@EmperorNorton668]

@@jimalabi3225 Does a planeswalker ability not count as a triggered ability even though this one depends on attacks? That's unfortunate.

[@jimalabi3225]

@@EmperorNorton668 correct... what triggers is the delayed ability of the PW and not a permanent (this would be the PW itself).

[@stephenruh2474]

So glad you made Isshin!

[@FaytVanguard]

Meanhwhile I made a thief treasure deck of this...... And no one else is trying to make that.

[@manadorkuk]

I run bedlam in my deck, stopping everyone from blocking is the chef's kiss of an aggro deck, just couple it with stuff to incentivise attacking elsewhere and you have impunity

[@MaxLevelArt]

Oh wow. That's a card. Really makes me wanna lean heavily into a goad theme...

[@nerdieman]

The stranger things magic equivalents have been spoiled already??

[@DracoX-hz3tu]

Yes they will be in New capenna set boosters, apparently fairly common in them too

[@ckeiji]

So freaking dope 😁 I will be building this deck! So many ways to make the deck unique! Love these videos

[@Antare5]

If you do lean harder and harder into humans here, shared animosity is hilariously funny. I almost want to add Isshin to my human deck just for this interaction

[@SuperMasterk1]

So a neat Aurelia the Warleader combo in this deck is actually with Delina, Wild Mage. It can create infinite combats thanks to the tokens

[@Dynme]

Late reply, but this doesn't actually work. None of the tokens trigger when they're made, and they're exiled before the next combat can start.

[@SuperMasterk1]

@@Dynme but on next combat when delina creates a token copy of Aurelia that is nonlegendary and tapped/attacking, wouldn't that token's effect trigger, causing an additional combat?

[@SuperMasterk1]

Bc the effect trigger is on attack

[@Dynme]

@@SuperMasterk1 The token doesn't exist anymore by the time the next combat rolls around. The original combat will have an End of Combat step, at which point any tokens will be exiled.

[@SuperMasterk1]

@@Dynme yes. What I mean is during second combat (since Aurelia's effect will have already gone off), since the tokens of her created by delina are tapped and attacking, wouldn't the effect of one of the tokens go off, causing another combat? Since the effect is on attack and they come in tapped and attacking (and each time this happens on a subsequent combat phase it's technically a new token since the previous one will be gone)

[@theblueburrow1801]

I absolutely love your voice! Ugh and how handsome, such a treat watching this!

[@creedmoor2820]

You should do an Upping the Average for Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder. I feel like that deck can go a lot of different directions; I personally run it as a Wheel & Graveyard Steal Deck!

[@arthursombra]

I would like to see that video too. However, I think those commanders that are so versatile are the hardest to compile "average" data on EDHREC.

[@makenawatkins]

This is actually really similar to my Isshin deck. Anointed Procession in this deck is simply disgusting and I love it. I personally did not find Sun titan to be that great, swap it for a campaign of vengeance. It is the Calculating Litch but harder to remove and heals. Drakuseth was fine but I had trouble getting the 3 red + 4 generic. I would recommend trying tyrant familiar. It is the same cost but 2 red requirement.

[@makenawatkins]

Also Rhox Veteran is amazing. I picked it up for 1 penny at my LGS.

[@ThisIsACommanderChannel]

I've got an episode planned for Isshin. I've already seen a few decks running cards that people think trigger again with Isshin but do not.

[@craig1287]

Were there any in this list that don't technically work with Isshin?

[@ThisIsACommanderChannel]

@@craig1287 What he said about Aurelia is correct and I've seen players mess it up. Similar effects that, on attack, let you take an extra combat step and untap your creatures do so in a way that the two untap triggers happen first andnthat means only your vigilant creatures will get three attacks. I still think Aurelia should be in the deck though and not cut like he suggested. Yes, she doesn't give you three full attacks, but still a 2nd attack in a deck that has lots of doubled attack triggers, she's insanely powerful even with the one extra attack. Also, be careful with Fireflux Squad. Isshin isn't a replacement effect, it just says to trigger the effect again, so anything that has a cost to it, like Fireflux Squad does mean you have to exile two creatures to search for two, not exile one to search for two.

[@CKarasu13]

@@ThisIsACommanderChannel Run Augusta to get free untaps. You get to use every extra combat with her on board. Combos with Magda to ramp you out the butt.

[@sirstickykey]

Hit the strionic resonator on etali the other day other day with isshin on board. 12 free cards on one swing was amazing

[@CKarasu13]

Augusta Dean of Order seems like a good include. Gives Pseudo-Vigilance to everything so you can get all the extra combats you want. Combos with Magda to generate lots of ramp(Magda does work well with an extra combat focus, but technically doesn't synergize with Isshin). If you also include Magda, you can run a few dragons like Scourge of the Throne and Velomachus Lorehold. Just some ideas. Would definitely recommend Augusta if you want extra combats. The others are basically for a slightly different build.

[@plant260]

Love it! Would love to see go-shintai or tameshi! I feel like tameshi is a hidden gem in the set

[@SirLunchalot86]

This Video format is so cool!!!! I want more of These!!! 😂how can i suggest a Commander? 😅

[@korrimartin1974]

So does Mardu Ascendancy also pop twice with Isshin out on the field?

[@YaBoyEdGames]

I think a slight dungeon subtheme would be interesting. Triumphant adventure is good but nadaar is another excellent choice as well. Based on kamigawa I hope the next deck tech is anything vehicles. Whether it’s shorikai or kotori or another commander that would be great with a vehicle subtheme. I’m building Kykar with that theme.

[@coreyroberson4550]

I run Triumphant Adventurer, Nadaar, and Thorough Investigation, and with how well they perform, I've been eying Planar Ally and Barrowin. It's been amazing how much advantage you can crank out while completing 3+ dungeons.

[@timtrio9862]

@@coreyroberson4550 which of the 3 dungeons do you go through then?

[@coreyroberson4550]

@@timtrio9862 I've gone through Lost Mine of Phandelver the most. It may just be generic value, but it's short and Scry/Treasure/Gain&Drain/Draw are all pretty good, especially when you repeat it a couple times. I've also ventured in the other two depending on boardstate, but I'm not sure if I've completed Dungeon of the Mad Mage.

[@richarizardplays9619]

Shorikai, Genesis Engine next please! :D

[@jimalabi3225]

Something I found out tinkering with my version of Isshin (Winnie - go wide) is that if you remove all mana rocks, you get to build your board a lot faster and more consistenly. Having ramp in treasure tokens with attack triggers can also help speed up the damage and your board. General concept: highest MV is 5 and at least 35 - 40 creatures. Out of these only 10 finishers that boosts attacks.

[@Guru4hire]

I am building mine around an archon of cruelty and a helm of the host. when archon attacks the opponent sacs 2, discards 2, loses 6 life, I gain 6 life and draw 2. Bane of bala ged is .42 and with isshin exiles 4 permanents from the defenders board.

[@mackalton1149]

I feel like Signal Pest is an insane card in Isshin. A one drop colorless creature that has evasion and battle cry seems like it would do work at multiple points in a game. Also Blade of Selves is just hilarious; even if the myriad copies don't get their attack triggers.

[@glowface6027]

i was running that till i saw the price...

[@JonasPoponas]

Aurelia gets much better, when playing Sword of Hearth and Home (blink Aurelia), Reconnaisance or Gustcloak Savior. It depends more on the direction you're building the deck. I added a Equipment subtheme e.g. with Godo, so you can play Helm of the Host (Combo) as well. Helm is also good with building additional Isshins for more degenerate combat phases. Also Godo (or Stoneforge Mystic) can find some Shoes or sword of the animist.

[@skeletor957]

Vengeful ancestor does word, killed an opponent from his triggers

[@BlakeFaeMorton]

I'm a simple girl. I see a whole bunch of powerful humans and nonhuman tokens, I play Winota.

[@gaoramon]

She's absolutely in my deck.

[@honeybeeees6666]

Aurelia is a card you only put in this deck if you are intending to combo it with Helm of The Host for infinite combat phases. Find one, saving a tutor for the other, or tutor both when you need them.

[@Sdizzle7]

well theres like 5 cards people puit ion this for aurelia combo. Sword of Hearth and home, and the enchantments that give cards vigilance so they dont tap.

[@Randoman590]

In my version of this deck I like to run Gleam of Battle with Thundering Raiju. Every attacking creature gets two +1/+1 counters, two others get an extra, then they all count as modified so Raiju's damage triggers become insanely strong. I also like to run Serra's Blessing and Brave the Sands with Aurelia to sidestep the Untapping issue entirely.

[@glowface6027]

i would suggest, if you arent already, running Felisa, Fange of Silverquill, who has som amazing counter synergies and mentor. i dont know though

[@raymondcamargo6828]

Wouldn't Aurelia still be a great card to have, when your commander isn't available?

[@SteakOSaurier]

Vengeful Ancestor's second ability will only trigger ONCE though, right? As the card dealing the damage is the goaded creature itself and not vengeful ancestor, so not a permanent we control? 🤔

[@Yellow_Magpie]

the trigger comes from your vengeful ancestor, which is what isshin cares about :) So, double that trigger! And it'll double it for each attacking creature too

[@miguelmacias1322]

I came here after the meld Mishra was released. Here I come Isshin

[@SWNJim]

I was hesitant to watch this one because I like to build my own decks from scratch, but there’s a large overlap between Isshin’s average deck list and my Queen Marchesa forced combat deck, that I’m contemplating adding him to her deck. She’s a very defensive build with effects like Revenge of Ravens, Marchesa’s Decree, Hissing Miasma, Blood Reckoning, Circle of Flames, Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs, Márton Stromgald, and Emberwilde Captain. I kept Cunning Rhetoric, Mangara, the Diplomat and include Search the Premises and Impulsive Maneuvers as well. Isshin would double all of these triggers (Márton attack trigger only). Isshin and Impulsive Maneuvers is an interesting interaction. Depending on the flip results, it either prevents or doubles combat damage. Flipping twice means that there’s an (expected value) 75% chance that the attacking creature won’t be dealing damage (and I don’t have to block it to keep The Monarch), meaning they took all of those previous effects essentially for nothing. This also means that there’s a 25% chance that the creature will do 4x the damage, which actually plays into the deck strategy, where the blockers are Brash Taunter/Spitemare/Souls of the Faultless/Boros Reckoner/Truefire Captain/Mogg Maniac/etc. I also use redirect damage spells like Reflect Damage and Mirror Strike. I can’t wait for someone to accidentally one shot themselves with their own commander. 🤣😂🤣

[@kavemanisabeachbum]

Check out Veteran's Armament, you'll love it for Isshin.

[@twostepz4982]

Honestly, I’d go more removal as much as 12 simply because edh is quite competitive. Plus, you want to establish enough mana ramp to get Argentium armor equipment or Grappling Hook to start the effectiveness of isshin murdering.

[@jacknelson8640]

I would love to see what you do with Tameshi ! :D

[@jbs6614]

Thundering Raiju is one of the deadliest finishers in this deck imo. Has won me multiple games with its burn effect.

[@benturtl9076]

Idol of oblivion, mentor of the meek and skull clamp are great additions for card draw since there are a lot of token generating triggers

[@giuliopoletti9843]

anyone played the budget list? how does it play?

[@XenoFireStar]

Given how many tokens this deck wants to make, I'd totally throw in a divine visitation. Upgrading all our tokens to Serra Angels seems like a pretty great deal to me, even if they do come in tapped and attacking. That is still a ton of damage in the air at somebody's face.

[@alexanderdias3310]

I am having problem with cards draw in a budget deck under 10$ a card. Any suggestion?

[@adrianrobles8622]

Master of Diversion does the same thing as Rhox veteran except it doesnt have battle cry, also it's one mana cheaper

[@hisoka3917]

Could you do Yawgmoth next ?:)

[@tylerhallam2404]

With this Commander I did a Samurai Tribal Deck

[@stevendigiandomenico3571]

Can you please do an upping the average for riku of two reflections I find it has the same problem as other commanders where there's so many options

[@trentweich2402]

So random but it was cool to see you in the back of Joe’s KZbin channel. Commanderception

[@kalonin5451]

I'm waiting for a couple of cards to come in before I build mine, and while I'll be taking it in a different direction, this still gave me some cool ideas to round things out a bit. On a completely related note, for those that may want a hint as to what I'm waiting for, I'll give you a totally unsubtle hint: Annihilator

[@tendo339]

do you have a decklist?

[@kalonin5451]

@@tendo339 Not really. It's more a general idea of what I want to run. Like Etali to cheat out big Eldrazi, or Colossal Plow to help mana production, things like that.

[@nik700]

About Cunning Rhetoric: I might be wrong but I don't think it works with Isshin. CR triggers when an opponent attacks, so the effect is not triggered by the creature attacking, but the opponent themselves. Again, might be wrong, but the wording is different than other similar effects

[@CKarasu13]

Magic wrote an article about Isshin pointing out some cards that interact with him. Cunning Rhetoric was mentioned in that article. So yeah, it works.

[@nik700]

@@CKarasu13 thanks!

[@Cham_Clowder]

I want to throw out a budget friendly way to get card draw. The card Search the Premises will get you two clue tokens per creature attacking you. If you're also running cards like Dockside Extortion and Smothering Tithe, add an Academy Manufactor for some added value

[@coreyroberson4550]

I recently cut Search the Premises and replaced it with Thorough Investigation. It nets me two clues each time I attack, which may be a lower ceiling than Search, but I have control over when it triggers. Plus, it's one cheaper and has additional value with venture.

[@Cham_Clowder]

@@coreyroberson4550 totally valid

[@skullkrusher-dx4kg]

A second combat is still quadrupal attack triggers. I like karlach.

[@ghost64626]

Just be warry with Fireflux Squad attack trigger. The exiled creatures MUST have already been declared as an attacker. So creature tokens created from let's say Krenkos attack that trun cannot be exiled to Fireflux

[@xero8515]

Do you happen to have rules text for this? I am more of a novice but when I read this card I dont see it requiring creatures that were declared attacking. It says "exile another attacking creature". Now the example you gave of krenko i understand because those are not attacking but what about Hero of Bladehold? Those tokens while not declared as an attackers enter the battlefield attacking hence they are attacking creatures so they should meet the requirement. (Text has no tone, I am trying to learn not argue. Please let me know if I am incorrect.)

[@TheSilverFox442]

@@xero8515 "Whenever Fireflux Squad attacks, you may exile another target attacking creature..." The Squad's ability requires a target, which means the creature of choice has to be declared when the ability triggers, and thus is limited to creatures you already have on the battlefield at the time you declared your attack.

[@xero8515]

@@TheSilverFox442 That makes sense, thanks for the explanation.

[@chips8623]

doesnt work so much for Isshin decks with too many tokens/small creatures, but if you prefer slanting your deck towards Big bois like Etali and the Titans, you can run Powerstone Minefield.

[@glowface6027]

and lightmine field

[@tattooman3603]

Don't forget Flamerush Rider. When he attacks, he creates a token copy of another creature that's also attacking. Isshin will double this ability, so now he creates two of those tokens. If you pick other creatures to copy that have also have attack triggers, those will be doubled again by Isshin, so you have four new attack triggers going off from one original Flamerush Rider attack. Seems like a no brainer to me.

[@allisonchristie2754]

The tokens that Flamerush Rider creates won't get attack triggers because they come in tapped and attacking already, bypassing the declare attack step which is what gets triggered and doubled by Isshin.

[@tattooman3603]

@@allisonchristie2754 hmmmm, okay, well this would still be great if you copy creatures with ETB triggers. Talking with other friends (including our LGS owner) they aren't convinced that Isshin's ability wouldn't trigger on the tokens. Yes, we agree the tokens coming in would skip the "declare attackers" phase, but the first rule clarification on Isshin states "Isshin, Two Heavens as One's ability affects only triggered abilities with conditions that are directly related to attacking, such as “whenever [this creature] attacks” or “whenever you attack with one or more creatures.” These creatures may be considered tapped, but the act of attacking is what triggers their ability, and Isshin causes that ability to trigger twice. (He doesn't copy that ability. It is the act of attacking that triggers their ability, not the declaration of intent to attack. I am a relatively newer player (only two years) so I'm still making lots of mistakes and getting advice on the rules all the time, so any help is appreciated. If you can actually point me in the direction of the rule that states the declaration step is what triggers the ability and not the actual "state" of attacking, that would be greatly appreciated. It would also help out our LGS since, lol, now one of the other workers at the store leans your way as well. Thanks for the reply. Hoping to clear this up and hoping you have a phenomenal day.

[@allisonchristie2754]

@@tattooman3603 508.4. If a creature is put onto the battlefield attacking, its controller chooses which defending player or which planeswalker a defending player controls it’s attacking as it enters the battlefield (unless the effect that put it onto the battlefield specifies what it’s attacking). Similarly, if an effect states that a creature is attacking, its controller chooses which defending player or which planeswalker a defending player controls it’s attacking it becomes attacking (unless the effect has already specified). Such creatures are “attacking” but, for the purposes of trigger events and effects, they never “attacked.” There ya go! And yeah if you copy anything with an ETB that would trigger but not the attack trigger. It would also get LTB triggers as well as long as they don't specify dying since they get exiled.

[@allisonchristie2754]

@@tattooman3603 actually this one might be a bit more relevant though in this case they're basically saying the same thing 508.3a An ability that reads “Whenever [a creature] attacks, . . .” triggers if that creature is declared as an attacker. Similarly, “Whenever [a creature] attacks [a player or planeswalker], . . .” triggers if that creature is declared as an attacker attacking that player or planeswalker. Such abilities won’t trigger if a creature is put onto the battlefield attacking.

[@tattooman3603]

@@allisonchristie2754 awesome, thank you so much!!!! That seems to clear it up without a doubt. Lol, bit of a bummer for my devious plans, but I'd rather learn the rules and lose legitimately than play incorrectly and win by (unintentionally) cheating. Have an absolutely amazing day and best of luck in all your future games.

[@noy6291]

Second time watching and this is the first I noticed the Christina Aguilera references lol

[@deadNdivine12]

Nice. Real nice upgrades?

[@erikwilliams1562]

Just not in love with the Squadron 6 drop is real late game where you are more than likely not going to gave 3 opponents. Depending on what happens you could have a 6/6 that creates 6 2/2s or a 2/2 that creates 2 2/2s. Not consistent value for a 6 drop

[@thetogtube2]

DOLMEN GATE XD

[@EDHRECast]

Out of budget, but it's a great card!

[@RogerLoUSPSA]

Was this a reupload? I feel like I watched this before

[@kamakazi339]

Gotta have that shiny samurai tribal

[@GoyfAscetic]

Please up Mayael the Anima's Average

[@DarkWalrus24]

I’m a little sad this video leans into the go wide strategy instead of go tall or value triggers. I’m in the middle of making Isshin and just cut all the go wide effects in favor of Lightmine Field, Powerstone Minefield, Caltrops, and some card advantage attack triggers.

[@MikeLCammarata]

sneak a winota in there?

[@gaoramon]

I love Crown of Doom in this deck. Let the other players play hot potato with this +4/+0-shaped target on their back. :D

[@allisonchristie2754]

Crown of doom doesn't work like that with Isshin, Isshin would only double the trigger if you control it and once you pass it to another player you are passing control of so Isshin would stop doubling the trigger. In other words its only double crown of doom when its hurting you but just regular crown of doom for the other players.

[@gaoramon]

@@allisonchristie2754 D'oh! Good catch, I'd missed that. Hmm, guess I have a card slot to fill with something spicy!

[@marljevincalabia3746]

Please do wulfgar next! 😁😁😁

[@timhellum5587]

If you keep Aurelia you could get a serra blessing

[@killswitch69698]

Too many people are sleeping on reconnaissance for this deck.

[@lukaspecson6095]

I really dont agree with the statement "Isshin's ability doesn't work nicely with Aurelia's effect" she doesn't untap your creatures on the 2nd free combat, But you are still taking an extra combat so you are getting double the isshin triggers on anything else attacking so 4x triggers on any of ur other creatures. Even in worst case if you play her with just isshin you are paying 2 more white mana for a relentless assault that comes with a 3/4 haste, vigilance, flyer body. Makes sense to me to run the card that doubles your strategy, taking her out feels like taking panharmonicon out of a yarok list

[@olburgle2841]

While not something to shoot for, it theoretically actually kinda works out with the new "solo attacker" effects. Use one additional combat phase to trigger solo attacker abilities and the rest of your creatures can attack on the 2nd additional combat phase. That's also assuming no vigilance.

[@envysart797]

I really want to try Isshin as an exalted style deck, since every creature with exalted triggers twice on each attack.

[@jeremy.oliver]

Helm of the Host. Put this in your deck over Aurelia

[@54m0h7]

Ironic, as it goes infinite with Aureila. lol I kept her in my deck, the one extra combat is good enough for me.

[@SShurricane96]

HECK YA!

[@riccardopiombo222]

We want go shintai of lifes origin edh

[@matiasanastopulos1687]

Please make a Hinata episode :D

[@FriendlyNewt]

combat calligrapher

[@matthewjohnson3656]

remember with Raiyou that the second and third combat you can still attack with everything.

[@luiscordero9171]

Kroxa won me a few games so far

[@spudster8887]

I think its a big mistake for isshin decks to not run both tymna and grim hireling, you will be making 6 treasures a rotation and drawing 3 cards a turn. If you add aggravated assault, you just go infinite from there in most instances. The other nice thing is, since your slots for interaction can be a little tight in isshin, hireling can do that in a pinch aswell.

[@ahoyturtle]

Feels like the deck is too light on protection. Without Isshin, a lot of effects become substantially less exciting, so it should be a goal to keep him around on the battlefield as much as possible. General's Enforcer is definitely a step in the right direction, but something like Timely Ward or Shielded by Faith might also fit.

[@okgut2033]

Depends on the meta your in.

[@danielharrison2383]

I feel like both these lists lack some consistency. maybe a bit more card draw?

[@tendo339]

i'm surprised you havent considered purphoros with the amount of token generated

[@joefjunior]

Not a huge fan of the mana rocks. Ramping from 2 to 4 , with a commander that's a 3 means that on turn 3 you're dropping your first threat, then you're spending the next turn dropping your commander. I'd be much more interested in dropping a 2 creature that ideally develops you (think akki ronin, robber of the rich?) that benefits from a 3 drop commander. Also, sol ring here isn't stellar; you have a deck that has aggressive color requirements, and you're realistically getting help casting ~20% of cards in the deck.

[@lukaspecson6095]

Sol ring is good in every deck, sol ring only helping cast "~20%" of the cards in the deck is just completely wrong and not even close if u looked at the decklist you would see theres at least 50% of the deck that has 2 generic or more in the cost use your brain for 2 seconds and stop making the worst take I have ever seen. And just because your commander does not have generic/colorless costs in their cost if it dies commander tax is a thing and can be payed by sol ring. playing sol ring on 1 is often a gamewinning play bc you have 4 mana turn 2, who cares if u cant cast isshin with sol ring if u are salmming a leonin warleader or any 4 drop on turn 2

[@Sdizzle7]

Sorry but I gotta disagree with Aurelia take. In this deck its SOO easy to run demonic, or vampiric turor, enlightened tutor, steelshapers gift, etc... To grab Sword of hearth and home, Serra's blessing, or brave the sands, to make a 2 card infinite combat so easily.

[@williamstotzkowski148]

We've got a combat trigger deck. Let's cut the card that gives more combat with an extra untap that is NOT useless. BOOOOOOOO