Editing on iPad is Hell

[@webluke]

They should have called it "Final Cut GO" not Final Cut Pro, if a pro can't do everything they want.

[@Megaranator]

but how else they would have lured people into thinking they could do it all just to realize they need Mac to do it all

[@joseabraham777]

Maybe is an iPadOS issue but they should solve it already

[@smashed_penguin]

iPad GO

[@monabuu]

Or iMovie Plus

[@nyabudulu]

its not even a pro feature to delete or mute audio clips

[@BlakeHelms]

I’ve been editing video for over 20 years. I decided to give it a try to edit a pretty simple project (single camera, two audio sources, a few video files). I felt like it was actively fighting me the entire time. I spent several hours working until I reached the point that I was visibly angry. Downloaded DaVinci Resolve for iPad, was finished in ~40 minutes-no issues.

[@glujaz]

I do flying filming (you can check my channel for examples). I'm definitely not a professional, more like a private pilot, enjoying flying, and willing to keep memories of my flight in a vlog style editing. And all of this is done on the same iPad mini 5 I use for flying, using Luma Fusion. That editing tool came out well before davinci or Final Cut, and the UI shows this a lot. It's just working perfectly. The impressing thing is, I can edit up to 6 4K60 videos on that mini with the A12 chip, really surprised ! They are some issues with the app though : it has some crashes, adding complex LUT can sometimes be a bit to much on 4K60 video, there is no keyframe easying (but key frame exist of course), and speed ramping is also missing. All of this is not something I use, but seems to be missing for a lot of people. I'm missing more something like following an object or a face. But for the rest, LumaFusion is really really a very capable but style lightweight app. (LTT did an editing on that app once for there video, it's how I discovered the app).

[@yoshi555king]

DaVinchi even runs on my IPad Mini 6 so that's a instant W in my book

[@EffinAFilms]

Yeah I was very surprised Resolve wasn't compared.

[@eruannster]

I feel like Apple has been constantly trying to reinvent the video editing wheel with their newer Final Cut versions, ever back since the first FCPX. Meanwhile, other players like DaVinci Resolve are trying to do it in a way that makes sense to people who have already edited video without being too different or distracting.

[@thierryfaquet7405]

@@EffinAFilms because apple bashing is just easy click on youtube. No need for a quality video.

[@Toothily]

Mac Address by far has the best story telling of any of the LMG channels. No surprise Jonathan used to work in journalism, he knows how to set a good pace.

[@alles_klar]

Agreed, MA videos feel a lot like something you'd see on Vox.

[@budisoemantri2303]

The only LMG channel that i watch right now

[@Thisath100]

Honestly, it's your point, plus it's not actively stuffed to the brim with advertising. It's far more restrained and better put together as a result. I'm so glad they exist!

[@fuomag9]

Same@@budisoemantri2303

[@parkame1]

yes. i'd go even so far as to say this is the only channel from the group that feels like its oriented towards grown-ups.

[@owRekssjfjxjxuurrpqpqss]

For real. File management, working with multiple windows/apps, it’s way too cumbersome on iPad OS still. The slow animations, the limited window sizes, all sorts of other hurdles, it all makes it impossible to suggest as a “pro” device unless you’re an illustrator primarily, procreate is excellent with apple pencil and not subscription based.

[@SnrubSource]

Yup. Also, the display scaling is a joke. It should be a slider that goes from 50% to 200% instead of "Default" and "More Space", but obviously they want you to buy the 12in iPad so you have more space

[@a_saker]

This is the key reason why my iPad is mostly for on the go reference when im walking around a site and quick notation/sketches/whiteboarding. Any actual work is down on the desktop and sync'd with iCloud

[@owRekssjfjxjxuurrpqpqss]

@@SnrubSourcefor real it feels like they artificially limit the base iPad sizes to make the extra large ones seem like the one you need for “professional work” but even with the larger pro, it’s still cumbersome and slower to use than Mac OS for just about anything despite the incredibly powerful processors they ship in the pro iPads.

[@rivengle]

I just wish I could put more than 2 apps side by side without stage manager.

[@yerielzamora]

@@SnrubSource When you get to the 12in iPad Pro, you realize a M1 Air is still more useful for anything you may have picked the iPad Pro over the other iPads for...

[@ap1986]

"I'm being hyper critical obviously, because I just got through editing a Mac Address video on a Ipad" I felt that pain in your voice my man lol

[@vinnithep00h41]

"It's 90% there, it gives you the ability to do these things, but then it takes away the one thing that you need to make it actually work the way you want it to" (C) Honestly, that's my experience with the "iPad as computer" in general, no matter what it is - from video editing to writing essays and composing emails.

[@KyleDavis328]

I feel like that's the same with a lot of things, FOSS office productivity apps for example, or raster image editors, many of them are 90% of the way to MS Office or Photoshop, respectively, but can't quite make it to where you can drop the subscriptions (or... ya know... 🏴‍☠)

[@Toothily]

@@KyleDavis328The difference with FOSS is that you’re not paying the Apple tax. Not even paying anything at all usually.

[@SuperJuvexxx]

Apple deliberately does this otherwise macbooks would start to not make any sense

[@christianr.5868]

@@SuperJuvexxxthey would still make a lot of sense, all day battery life, bigger screens, especially with the 15 inch air, more power because the larger chassis can handle higher temps, a built in keyboard and trackpad, the Magic Keyboard for the 12.9 inch iPad is $349 which makes the combined price of a 12.9 inch ipad with the same storage config to be more than a 15 inch Air. And hell some people just prefer tablets to laptops, especially professionals, as shown here

[@aravindpallippara1577]

​@@SuperJuvexxxgladly would buy macbook pro for personal use if it had full linux support, and vulkan hardware support - and removable ssd

[@shadow1psc]

Logic Pro on the iPad Pro is in a similarly awkward, if not more awkward position because of how good Garage Band on iOS is. Feasibly, you're only going to use either for writing, arranging, outlining, or other initial steps in the workflow of creating a song. Not supporting VSTs or Plugins outside of what you can get in the correct format on the app store is a severe hinderance that is going to keep it from being the platform of choice for mixing or mastering (even for people who work entirely in the box), and may be a non starter for even the writing/arranging portion if their instruments of choice aren't available (amp sims, synths, EZ/Superior Drummer).

[@AllyLikeAllie]

I love the idea of being able to use logic on my iPad on the go, but I’m a composer who almost exclusively uses VSTs for all of my pieces. If I can’t use the thousands of dollars of instruments I’ve bought on what’s supposed to be a professional DAW, that’s an instant no from me!

[@shadow1psc]

@@AllyLikeAllie If I could use Superior Drummer and Neural DSP on Logic for iPad, it would probably become my exclusive writing station.

[@shaungreer3350]

garageband is awesome, i use it for if i get random ideas just to quickly jot them down and even better than that when im bored and start messing about (the sampler is super fun btw)

[@Fr0stbite1801]

I wonder how the addition of pro tools sketch will affect garageband's dominance. Prolly not, but maybe it can be a gateway to proper pro tools on ipad? Idk, one can dream I guess

[@scid.]

even trying to import your OWN samples in "Logic Pro for iPad" is just awkward and unintuitive

[@Teddy-rdm]

I really appreciate how "calm" Mac Adress videos are compared to the fast paced and intense videos of the other LMG channels Even though I am not interested in anything that Apple is offering, I always enjoy watching MA because of how relaxed and correctly paced the videos are. MA videos are the kind of videos that you can watch while on the train where you have the time to enjoy the view, relax all while not zoning out from the actual video I kind of wish the other LMG videos were like this sometimes, where instead of focusing on fast paced information were more focused on getting the point through

[@AtticusBleep]

You enjoy it because Mac Address are now just haters lol.

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

They hate what? Apple? Ltt?

[@Feadds]

yeahh . linus never had any chill 😅

[@DrAnimePhD]

Honestly at this point the iPad Pros should have the ability to dualboot macOS. I know how you said it shouldn’t and did an entire vid about why but it’s clear the limited UI and functionality of iPadOS is a problem. Apple ain’t gonna fix it since every iPadOS update is just sloppy seconds of the previous iOS version, so might as well let us dualboot macOS so we can do more with our higher end iPads. You can do so much more on a Mac that is as fast as the iPad Pro, and cheaper than it

[@theweirdsideofreddit3079]

Honestly couldn’t agree more. I would literally buy a new top of the line iPad on the spot if it could run Mac OS as well as IPad OS. Unfortunately no way Apple would ever allow it as they’d loose their additional revenue due to not having a monopoly on the App Store.

[@DoubleU159]

So many iPad versions of computer programs are just so dumber down and gimped, but apple will never change that because they make too much money keeping the App Store around on iPad.

[@yerielzamora]

At that point just discontinue the iPad and give macbooks a touchscreen and have a "yoga-style" Air you can fold into a tablet... (never gonna happen, but makes more sense than macOS on iPad

[@edwinooi9166]

But that's precisely what Apple deliberately not doing, they are doing everything they can not to make it happen so that a clear product separation is there.

[@willstw]

Even something like M2 ver Macbook 12“ without touchscreen would be more useful than iPad pro with keyboard

[@bobsteven2363]

Ive noticed that even if users get mad initially at a workflow change in their software, if it's a good change (not just a tiny improvement), the users will instantly grow to like it. If it takes 5 years to realize that you do like a change, then it means it wasn't a good change, you just got used to it and become faster because of an insane amount of experience.

[@ajbp95]

The sight at 10:41 was so genuine that I felt the immense release through the screen!

[@brandonsimoncini]

11:44 I’d be hypercritical as well if I was spending $50 a year when you can get Final Cut on Mac for $300 with so many QOL improvements - pays itself off if you use it for 6 years

[@FluffyPuppyKasey]

I got the Pro Apps Bundle when I got my old M1 Macbook Air, so I probably paid $40 for my copy of FCPX, so that's also something to think about

[@JessicaFEREM]

it probably pays off itself when you saves mountains of time in comparison "time=money"

[@lancehoward3990]

I got started editing professionally on the Sony PVE-500 tape control unit and some DV/DVCAM decks. I understand the desire for a good touch screen interface for editing, because even though that was linear, there's something about that tactility of moving around video using your hands. I do really miss the big physical jog wheels and those nice clacky play/ff/rewind IN/Out buttons.

[@ionlywatch]

Perhaps their VisionOS could do that in the future. Inplementing virtual wheels by hand gestures or something similar.

[@luckylukeskywalker]

I have to admit that the thought of touch in editing only seems more annoying to me than just doing the same with the mouse - except maybe zooming a clip or sth - although that could be just the same on a touchpad - but that's just my first thought

[@TheThaiLife]

For fun, I decided to bring my iPad 12.9" Pro M1 to use on some recent Thailand travels. I made sure to have the most updated version of Lightroom on there and thought I was good to go. Spoiler alert, the worlflow was a NIGHTMARE. You can't sort the photos by the top rated so you can easily sort which ones you want to modify. Then, you can't select multiple edited photos to export at one time but have to export individually. Then, if you save them to Photos which is the only place that the iPad Facebook app (which has NEVER been updated) requires them to be for upload, it saves the modified photos next to the originals by time. So, you have to figure out which ones you modified while uploading to FB based on a 1" thumbnail. Then, I pulled open DaVinci resolve to edit my video... let's just say I just decided to wait until I got home. Now, I leave the iPad at home.

[@deviantv1ral]

I’ve moved from capture one back to Lightroom cc just to edit on the iPad it works great for me, being able to mask with a pen awesome. I usually select my photos to be imported and edited into an album I export the whole thing by doing highlight and drag, it’s an iOS gesture you may not be familiar with? but I’ve also been able to export by clicking one by one. I do a share and export as dialogue to bring it into an album in photos app. The photos app never sees the raw it goes straight to creative cloud. Photos an Apple cloud only sees jpeg I hope this helps

[@TheThaiLife]

Did you read my workflow comment for photographers? What you are saying doesn't seem connected. @@deviantv1ral

[@theftking]

As a video editor, I'm sorta skeptical that touchscreens are actually beneficial for editing workflows. I feel like mouse-keyboard is the most-efficient input device. If you're doing one specific task over and over that benefits from an input device (trackballs and color correction come to mind), maybe, but I feel like most video editing benefits from the broadly-useful mouse/kb, and your given task changes so often that switching between it and a touchscreen/stylus and some sorta editing rig ends up losing more time than it saves. Shame, cuz I have an M2 iPad Pro with the pencil, and there's no reason for there not to be a fully-featured version of Premiere Pro on there.

[@victorozurumba2300]

Mac address is the most unLTT , LTT channel

[@Metal_Maxine]

Linus likes it that way.

[@DrAnimePhD]

That’s why they’re the best channel. Mac Address experiments and lets videos cook.

[@jamesklusener]

honestly that's what makes it so good

[@kohakkanuva3224]

Well for starters it’s about Apple

[@dhirendrarathod]

In a good way

[@TotalRADandMORE]

I dove right in with the 2TB Ipad Pro M1 on launch and this has been my life. Although it’s always improving, it feels like reinventing the wheel. I usually just use it in sidecar mode on my mac now. For that, it’s incredible. But I really wish I just waited for the Macbook Air. This $2500 + keybaord setup is now worth roughly $400 for trade in. Davinci Resolve is starting to change that, I’m really excited to get the 18.6 update with cloud sync and can’t wait to get that feature enabled.

[@TotalRADandMORE]

So I’ve got the 18.6 update on my ipad and FINALLY this is a workable setup, all i do is load up my footage into my primary workstation at the end of the day and I’m able to log b roll and assemble footage on my ipad. Davinci Resolve FTW!! This Ipad is finally worth it.😊

[@marcellkovacs5452]

Could've been interesting to make Mark try Resolve on the iPad as well

[@luckylukeskywalker]

True, I#d be very interested in another video about that - a comparisson almost - and how it is if you don't have the pc/max comparisson

[@spookyghost7524]

the man has suffered enough already , you monster

[@tejasraman6913]

@@spookyghost7524actually resolve iPad mostly has feature parity with the desktop inversions

[@lobotomise863]

They didn't do that because the video was not about that, it was not a comparison video or which software if the best.

[@marcellkovacs5452]

​@@lobotomise863 I know the video wasn't about that, which is why I made the comment that it could've been about that.

[@JoeyAlmonds]

Mark's dry delivery was delightful to watch

[@KCIsMe]

From what I remember when Final cut X was first released it wasn't just that it was different, it was also missing a lot of features people were used to. Over the years many of those features were added back in. I've never actually used Final cut though, so this is just what I remember other content creators saying.

[@xelaander8429]

I could never make the switch from final cut 7 to final cut pro X. New editors were swearing by it at the time. But me being a Premiere pro/final cut 7 guy was disgusted with the way it looked. It felt like Sony Vegas with Apple polish and not much else

[@motionfxes]

That was exacly what happenned. It took almost half a year to get Multicam, XML, etc.

[@Atrain204]

Thanks Mark for your suffering to make this video. I hope you don’t get cold sweats looking at iPads moving forward. I’ve wanted to try this out because I had a feeling it was intended for hobbyists, not pro editors

[@joesalyers]

Finder is the one thing the iPad lacks and without a good file manager the system will always be unproductive for anyone with even a mildly complicated workflow.

[@johnaart]

Facts..... I tried using ipad pro for work but the file management is just horrible.

[@joesalyers]

@@johnaart Yep even if they just brought a rudimentary file manager like Finder without the Root disk access of the Mac Version to the iPad Pro so that would be a reason for people to upgrade to the higher spec'ed machines it would increase productivity by factor of 10. I think the reason they have not added a proper file manager is because basic iPads are used in schools and kids like to hack away when the teacher isn't looking. But if they added a File manager to the iPad Pro & maybe even the iPad Air models I know I would go for those just to have a nice file manager. Also adding it to only the higher models is a very Apple way of doing things so it makes sense to have them that way. But yea without a file manager its a mess!!

[@ionlywatch]

@@joesalyers They could, but that has never been the problem. The problem is whether Apple wants their tablet/PC segmentation eliminated.

[@deviantv1ral]

Workflows involving network terrible on it. Interacting with smb has a weird caching or unknown progress issue. I’ve been able to edit off a 10gb usb ssd which helps but when I put away the project into the NAS I use my desktop to do so.

[@idtyu]

It's amazing that a channel in LMG actually take their time, and produce a good video with 3 weeks

[@thabreez456]

I think both Davinci and Lumafusion are the better options here. Final Cut has always been sort of simplistic, a easy to understand but hard to master kind of deal and so your progress from Final Cut Pro on desktop won’t transfer to IPad as you’re almost re learning the software.

[@motionfxes]

I don't think so. I've been working in FCP(x) since it was launched and it took me a couple hours to get used to the iPad FCP. That said, it is very límited compared to the desktop version and I also prefer LumaFusion. DR is also very good, but BM should have made and effort to adapt the software to a touch screen.

[@notdavide3823]

Hi, I plan on buying an iPad, I have a windows laptop and I m editing in Davinci, I wonder if that’s a headache and is going to be a problem when alternating from one to other?

[@ChrisCarlos64]

I felt his pain throughout this video and I don't do video editing. I see tablets having unique capabilities for things like this because of the pen and touch interface. Honestly, I feel like they will get there, some day, but I almost feel if there was a company majorly supporting Android tablets, Dex on Samsung would have probably handled this better. I know there is some pro apps coming on Android tablets or have come recently, but I don't know how they perform or their parity to their desktop counterparts or even iPad. Sadly iPad will always be first class and Android second class to tablet apps, so unless that were to change suddenly, it will likely be that the iPad apps will get there for making videos like this without issue.... sooner than Android ever could hope to.

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

Galaxy tabs are the superior pro tool until iPad allows sideloading, and has proper file manager.

[@MuhammadRifana]

its not second class if your app on ipad is half baked. I mean. you have davinci resolve, final cut pro on ipad, m1 processor, but like on this video, the app is useless. and you can do better with capcut. I will not falling for apple cheap trap anymore. iphone 15 will overheat after 15 minute of high usage use and slow down hard. geekbench is better than android. but worse when you use it daily.

[@soviut303]

I would not be surprised if the Final Cut team watch this video and use it to prioritize the things mentioned. Nearly everything is a quality of life feature which means they should be relatively easy to iterate.

[@swapnilmankame]

Apple is not that great at taking suggestions and implementing it fast

[@soviut303]

@@swapnilmankame Their product teams take tonnes of feedback and regularly update the product. Quality of life features and improvements are Apple's bread and butter.

[@tim3172]

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M complaint is? complaint's what?

[@willstw]

I would not surprise if the ipad software team watch this video and think it’s apple hater’s trash talk. They have special sensitivity to make pro product less effectively

[@soviut303]

@@willstw considering there's direct competition from DaVinci Resolve and others, that doesn't make any sense.

[@cjxgraphics]

Apple expects you and everyone to be working in an fully Apple ecosystem. If you do that, it “just works”. But if you’re not recording in ProRes, and using only Apple software and hardware… I swear they go out of their way to make it harder to work in a mixed environment.

They were in a fully Apple ecosystem and yet the app didn't work for a complex project. It has nothing to do with the hardware, it's the way they made the app for iPad and who they thought it's the target user.

[@willstw]

The weird thing is iPad in fully apple ecosystem is unnecessary for working😮 Why don’t you just grab a macbook air not tricky expensive iPad pro kits

[@joelmulder]

Using a different codec doesn’t fix the terrible app design.

[@cjxgraphics]

@ The video first was in a format the iPad couldn’t read. Second the files app didn’t recognize the folder on the server. Final Cut on the iPad needs work though.

[@cortesacrawford]

That's the Apple logic for most of their stuff. You still can't update airpods without an Apple device. The classic Apple "We know you like our stuff, but you don't like enough of our stuff so you get an inferior experience". But hey, if you make an appointment with an Apple store you can go in to get them updated.

[@brianzhamilton]

“Oh, Hi, Mark!” 😂😂😂 Great opening!

[@themasterbaitor69]

Was not expecting a reference to the room lmao

[@aDifferentJT]

I wonder whether the expected use case is to do the initial rough cut out on the go, and then send the project over to the mac when you get home to polish and release.

[@chazzerous]

I think that is definitely the use case - Apple still wants you to own and use a Mac for finishing.

[@mrpinguin9189]

but then, what is the macbook for?

[@mrpinguin9189]

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M but if you want do work on the road why not take a laptop with you? I would argue that it is much better vs an ipad

[@chazzerous]

@@mrpinguin9189 an iPad is normally infinitely easier to do anything with vs a MacBook, with the one exception being (imo) editing in Final Cut

[@HeyItsHades]

@@mrpinguin9189 exactly - if I have to bring the Magic Keyboard with my iPad only to still have to finish it on a Mac then there is no reason to not just bring an MacBook Air with you on the go & have a way better experience the entire time & it would be cheaper. Apple is the one holding the iPad back & its basically a worthless product tbh. Even with a 12" iPad Pro M1 I feel no reason to use it instead of either just using my iPhone 14 Pro Max or my 13" MacBook Air. If your work doesn't require you to use the Apple Pencil then there I no reason for anyone to buy an iPad

[@heyspookyboogie644]

I’ve been editing hobby level stuff with LumaFusion for iPhone for like a decade. Would happily do it on an iPad. But I wouldn’t expect it to be the same as editing on a desktop / laptop.

[@cannygrowabeard]

The most apt line that summarises everything ‘Pro’ about the iPad Pro in this video is _“It's 90% there. It gives you the ability to do these things, but then it takes away the one thing that you need to make it actually work, the way you want to. So it's a result. It just It slows the whole process down.”_ As an actual iPad Pro ‘Pro’ user, that cut deep.

[@MaxRovensky]

Resolve for iPad is better than FCP imo

[@DarkTrapStudio]

Not only Ipad

[@MaxRovensky]

Obviously, but when comparing limited iPad versions - Resolve is still noticeably better

[@vikrambalaji4126]

I couldn't drag an image into the Resolve media bin which was pretty frustrating

[@DarkTrapStudio]

@@vikrambalaji4126That could be the media location, I had this problem on Mac

[@aokaze-minotaur]

I write music as a hobby. I've never used Logic Pro for iPad, but I cannot possibly imagine composing on it. You can't even install third-party VSTs. If I'm limited to default instruments and plugins, I might as well just use GarageBand (which I've also never used). I'm no professional, but I can immediately tell it's not something professionals would want anyway. The Logic Remote is at least somewhat useful if you're, say, traveling and you don't want to carry a big bulky control surface with you while you're working on Logic on your MacBook. But Logic Pro for iPad? Who the f*** is that for??

[@zptaco]

Can I just say that Mark has been so nice this entire video. I think many others would be visibly angry after having to go through this

[@heyitsterry]

This style of shooting and editing is great! Kudos to the team 😄

[@safebet5841]

Of all the formats you have, Mac Address is now the best. Keep it up :)

[@AngelEscobareo]

I am not even remotely close to being a apple guy but these videos are so much fun and have a lot character.... It would be good to see this kind of engaging vibes on things like short circuit because... man... sometimes short circuits feel so void and plain and the hosts fall into so much fails reviewing....

[@kc7812]

This for me is the ipad as a whole when trying to use it as a replacement for a computer/laptop. Everything is just half baked it has the potential for things but falls short in so many important things

[@MTM358]

IMO FCP on the iPad is targeted at "prosumers," people who've outgrown iMovie but don't need all of the stuff of FCP on the Mac. I played around with it a bit, and it's not bad for on-the-fly edits say if you need multicam support, but my workflow is still more efficient on my Mac.

[@yaughl]

I believe this statement is supported with their subscription approach.

[@libbaz]

Apple's definition of "prosumers" doesnt mean "Professional Consumers" though, in Apple-speak it translates to "Consumers with larger wallets". Which is a major issue for Apple's "Pro" marketing.

[@EastsideBodega_]

Can you all make this a series. Another video with Resolve for iPad and LumaFusion?

[@Kbyte27]

Apples' Pro suite apps are good.... until you want to push it further. For example, editing on Davinci Resolve is far better and intuitive than Final Cut Pro. I am really grateful for this video being released. I remember a few years back when the Ipad pro was first released and Jonathan Morrison made a really dangerous video selling the idea that one can edit professional videos on their iPad. Many of my college friends ditched their laptops for an iPad, but about a month later silently bought and used laptops again for editing. I'm very concerned with other "Apple-centric" KZbinrs whom without thought, sell ideas that iPhones and iPads can do ALL of your professional work (spoiler it won't) and replace computers (Apple does this too btw). They make their viewers and supporters make bad purchasing decisions and those channels have zero accountability for it when the viewers lose money. Great video as usual Mac Address, the IPad is a good powerful tablet, but at the moment still has its limitations in fully replacing a traditional computer for professional work.

[@SaveMeAzathoth]

Are there no drawing tablets at LTT? Because the things that Mark was initially optimistic about getting from working off of an ipad instead of his computer are things that computers can already do. Get Mark a Wacom or Huion or whatever other drawing tablet so that he can use stylus input with the actually functional version of Final Cut.

[@minecraftWithDanielD]

LTT doesn’t like buying products unless they can see an immediate profit from review, or it’s something their team “actually needs”. It’s likely that whoever is in charge of getting that equipment to employees would not see it as viable for the editing team, or something like that. I mean correct mean if I’m wrong, but didnt Taren have to bring in most of the stuff he used, or borrow old review stock?

[@xelaander8429]

@@minecraftWithDanielD editors DON'T NEEDA drawing tablets, and if you work on a Mac and use any of the NLEs like premiere or final cut or resolve, touch input doesn't exist cos MacOS doesn't support it. On windows there's a ton of options from the Microsoft surface to HP/Dell/Lenovo AIOs with corresponding pen support so this is not on LTT, a Mac based editor might need DACs,, custom keyboards and maybe a DaVinci console for color grading but not a tablet, not if you're an editor

[@SaveMeAzathoth]

@@xelaander8429 It’s not like drawing tablets are only functional in specific applications. They function OS-wide as a full replacement for mouse/trackpad in MacOS. On MacOS pen input is better supported than the Apple Pencil is on an iPad, since the Apple Pencil isn’t allowed to fully replace fingers.

[@minecraftWithDanielD]

@@xelaander8429 Everyone has their own workflows. But in saying that, you really think LMG is gonna give their editors, who have a short turn around time (or at least they did, I suspect they still do) a laptop to work off of? For investigative videos maybe, but why limit yourself in terms of performance? Then again, it’s kinda hard to take LMG seriously with a lot of the weird shit they do

[@MrBaskins2010]

that subway cookie joke was A1, love mac address. greater quality in the newer uploads. big ups to the whole team

[@searchingforstuff8578]

I am editing on an ipad pro M1 from last 6 months. I am using Luma fusion as editing software. Its good experience but I feel restricted.. Happy to answer any question

[@Manoloelgomo]

Great video you guys but I wish you hadn't reminded me of how much I miss the pre-X version of Final Cut, those were the good old days :/

[@DKMDrake]

Enjoyed the storytelling, top notch as always. I was one of the first adopters to go fully without a laptop around 2012 with the iPad 2. Sad to see that the issues present over 10 years ago are still here - such as problematic file management, small actions missing, interface problems etc. Back then it was just an iPad and I decided that the product has limited use. Flash forward 10 years, we have these Pro models, but in name only. I dont understand why someone would limit themselves to this type of experience, when you have the MacBook Air/Pro models from today who weight negligibly more and are perfect for pro work...

[@jcmacao]

Jonathan is fun to watch as always

[@sebthevik]

love the room reference intro ❤️

[@themediamonster3025]

O hi Mark!

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

It makes sense in retrospect but I was impressed at Jonathan's knowledge of NLEs and codecs.

[@frostgodx]

I can match the same sentiment of almost all these comments. I went out of my way to buy a 2TB ipad pro (because you cant edit from external drives) specifically because i built this up in my head so much. Needless to say i ended up returning the ipad before the 14 day window closed and i dont feel bad about it. I have no idea what they were thinking. This would be acceptible for a beta but not release its missing absolutely everything to essentially complete X task but you just keep feeding it time and energy with work arounds giving it the benefit of the doubt until finally you give up and go back to your mac and it just works. This is EXACTLY the same as using ipad os vs mac os!

[@pacman_]

I love how the talljonathan domain was registered yesterday 😂

[@VihMelchior]

Looks like a the office episode, the aesthetic, looks etc, nicely done MA

[@MrBobMcMan]

I’ve always seen the iPad versions as a stepping stone. I like to have an editor review the dailies on set, just how I work, and the iPad is the easiest form factor to achieve that. Would I edit a full project on it now, absolutely not. But in the future maybe, they just need to optimise the hell out of Final Cut Pro and DaVinci on the iPad.

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

Problem I some of these cost over 2k. At that price, with options for terabytes.... Feels it should be a real pro tool on its own.

[@ianrobinson1514]

I’ve been editing content on my iPad Pro using luma fusion and it’s worked like a dream! No M1 chip required!

[@editorskeys]

Great video! We're feeling the same frustrations at the moment.... so close but yet so far!

[@OsX86H3AvY]

ive said it before, ill say it again - the next big thing now that both ipads and macs have ARM processors is a 2-in-1 whereby when you flip to tablet mode it switches to iOS and flip back to laptop mode (with a touchscreen, so very courage) its running macos again. They ABSOLUTELY CAN do that RIGHT NOW and could easily charge the price of a used honda for it. too courage one must assume. Til then ill continue to use my dell 7390 hackintosh WITH touchscreen and ventura and stylus.....and power adapterrrr

[@default_user_exe]

DaVinci Resolve on a MacBook is still the best editing setup. I love BlackMagic Design

[@FPVwineUK]

SAME! I love it's a great app and a one time purchase. Anthing with subscription models is not getting any money from me... "I want to own stuff and be happy"

[@fetzie23]

It’s been over ten years, and Apple still doesn’t know what it wants the iPad experience to be.

[@morsikpl]

"Oh Hi Mark" - I laughed too hard on this one hahaha :D :D :D

[@dirtcreature3d]

honestly crazy to me that y'alls pipeline is mxf based I havent worked with that in ages. Prores and prores raw all day baby

[@ChubAdmiral]

I like the idea of Johnathan roaming the corridors of LMG like a trickster god. Just messing with peoples day with his apple based fun.

[@UltraklystronMusic]

Wow, hitting him with the Room reference from the jump, lol.

[@SarahKchannel]

I haben editing for years on a 'tablet' - a Wacom cintiq 24". It's the most tactile experience of editing apart from sitting on a 35mm editing table.

[@teohontech7141]

It's workable if the videos are recorded with the iPad or Airdropped from the iPhone. If you have to work with mirrorless cameras, you have to deal with so many inconveniences.

[@BillySoundFarm]

I would really love a similar experiment for DaVinci resolve for iPad. Great work!

[@FPVwineUK]

110%

[@Dresling]

Always appreciate "The Room" references. 😄

[@AlwaysBolttheBird]

Thank you. Finally a channel that tells it like it is. It really should be called something like Final Cut Go. I would say that this was a complicated project but then don’t charge 70$ a year.

[@BigBadRanch]

Thanks mark for editing. Credited as guest

[@UltravioletMind]

Great video! loved the last 2 videos especially. Finally some interesting apple content beyond reviews, comparisons or leaks.

[@cadenchurchill4296]

"Oh hi Mark!" Love the reference 🤣

[@UJ-nt5oo]

Apple: Hey guys, thanks for joining our september event, here are our 4 new iphones and all the upgrades Mac Address: Hey linus we haven't made a video for weeks, should we make videos about the new iphones? Linus: nah, make one about ipad.

[@macaddress]

It'd be nice if the first line of dialogue would happen.

[@codespyder]

The only reason to get the iPad Pro is to get the giant 12.9” screen. There’s really no reason otherwise. The UI and file management is far too cumbersome and nerfed for serious, efficient, professional use.

[@pandlshows]

I think that Final Cut on the iPad is more similar to iMovie on the iPad than it is to Final Cut on the Mac. In the way Final Cut is an upgraded iMovie, Final Cut for iPad is an upgrade iMovie for iPad. For example the iOS version of iMovie has the media browser on the right side just like Final Cut on the iPad while iMovie on Mac has it on the left like Final Cut on Mac along with being able to transfer to the Mac version of the app but not being able to transfer back. So I think that the ideal use case for Final Cut on the iPad is for someone who was already using iMovie on their iPad and needed something more capable but did not have or want a Mac or didn’t want to pay for Final Cut on Mac.

[@gogobrasil7185]

I now understand the MacOS on iPad people a bit better. Let's not literally port the OS over, but it'd be SO much easier if iPadOS could just run Mac apps. It'd be mutually beneficial for both platforms. The iPad gets a lot of more capable software, Macs get a much bigger userbase. Win-win. And this time, don't give devs the option to turn it off, like they did for iOS apps on Mac. They're obviously gonna do it, and defeat the whole purpose. Meanwhile Apple should work on implementing basic things like better multitasking that isn't limited to only the Pro models, more scaling options, the freedom to put home screen icons anywhere, and include files and folders in that too, etc.

[@gogobrasil7185]

​@@GH0STST4RSCR34M yeah, but I feel like that's better than having nothing at all, or waiting for developers to make an iPad version that'll probably be missing features, like Final Cut. Worst case scenario, you use a mouse and keyboard to navigate. It's not polished, but it's something. Maybe it could be a somewhat hidden features, so only those of us that really need it use it

[@gogobrasil7185]

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M if you had a mouse and keyboard, it wouldn't be much different from using the software on a 13" macbook. I think it'd be a nice extra feature for those of us who do need that. Everyone else will keep using normal iPadOS apps.

[@gogobrasil7185]

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M How so? Only tweak I'd need is to the mouse cursor, but that's easy to fix. Other than that, same architecture, shouldn't be that bad

[@tray3989]

I actually like editing on my iPad. I use Davinci Resolve and the experience is flawless.

[@OCULIAPERI]

Mac User since 2010 > never used final cut / Adobe Premiere/AfterEffects > despite render time gap. LumaFusion on iPad Pro > will continue to never use final cut... this video could be have a better balance of pros and cons (as a software review)... appreciate the show of honest interactions with the app.

[@techtim123]

Finally 😂I’ve been waiting for this video for months lol! DaVinci is actually pretty dope though!

[@austen98]

About 10 years ago I would've said, hands down, that I would never do any editing on a tablet platform primarily because of 2 things, the size of tablets back then and the storage capacity. However, since then, things have changed as has my prejudice towards them. However, given the choice, I would still do editing of any kind on a PC and the choice is quite apparent to most. However, with the bigger sizes of tablets now on sale and the increase in their capabilities, I could see myself using them in the not-too-distant future. As for now, it's the platforms limitations that keep me going back to the PC versions of the software.

[@MalcolmREBORN]

I could never do this again. I tried it before and once you go back to the Mac, it is so exhilarating ! Grab the best tool for the job. That’s it!

[@NerdCrave]

in order to really reap the benefits of editing on an ipad, you need to do the entire creation process in iOS. script with pages, film with an iphone, transfer files with airdrop etc

[@lirfrank]

Wasn't expecting a The Room reference on the intro. Very nice

[@monabuu]

You weren't? His name has always been Mark!

[@vjmtz]

As a person who doesn't edit video. I think its ultimately an issue with the form factor of it being a tablet, pure and simple. I think at best, a tablet can do "pre-editing" tasks well... but not full blown editing. Maybe useful as a "in-between" editing device if lets say you are traveling on a plane or something and you can't use your notebook or pc, it would be useful to mark up, annotate, view current content and mark it up etc so it can sync to your pc for later true editing and rendering etc. But that's just me of course.

[@HeyItsHades]

is there really that big of difference between a 12" iPad Pro & a 13" MacBook Air? Especially once you throw a Magic Keyboard onto the iPad? As an owner of both I can tell you there is basically no difference except that the13" MacBook Air is 10x more useful than the iPad specially because of the software. Mac vs iPadOS is the only difference between the 2 really. If you dont have to have an Apple Pencil/touch screen then do not buy an iPad because ultimately it is a worse experience in every way that costs more.

[@88porpoise]

But that doesn't really make sense. He was actively connecting it to external monitors and other peripherals. So form factor-wise it just adds the option of the tablet and touch screen. And the issues don't sound like it isn't powerful enough to do the job, which is the other thing the form factor could impact. So the form factor doesn't seem to be an inherent issue.

[@randommcranderson5155]

I'm not sure I agree. You can hook keyboard and mouse up to an ipad without issue, giving you a small 'laptop' like form factor. The issue is that the ios/ipados version of final cut pro isn't identical to the one running on mac, and so has limitations that a mac wouldn't have.

[@vjmtz]

@@88porpoise despite hoping it up to montlites, that still doesn't address the form Factor being the inherited issue. The software's UI is made with the limited tablet form Factor in mind. So ui buttons, features are missing and just because it's hooked to a external monitor will not change those UI limitations. Now if somehow the iPad OS version could change to the full Mac OS version once connected to a monitor then that would be ideal. The performance is also a issue with the form Factor, a laptop or of with active cooling and a less thermal throttled is going to best a passively cooled thin tablet. The tablets from factor and the software's designed with a touch only design in mind is the limiting factor more than anything though.

[@vjmtz]

@@randommcranderson5155 this exactly. The software isn't made with an interface that supports external input devices and the like. It's made for the tablet only, so the UI has limitations more than anything

[@5centsmedia]

So far this is is a great quick start of a project that requires the heavier lifting from the computer version. Get started win the iPad and finish on the Mac.

[@Samskihero]

As someone who replaced their laptop with an iPad Pro 1st gen since launch, my iPad has been and will always be a device to view content, and not to create content, Aside from drawing and writing. I think the biggest issue with iPad anything as a replacement is its fundamental inability to scale with the user... anyone who says otherwise I swear lives in a bubble and has just refined their workflow down to the bare minimum to get it to work.

[@CED.Dweller]

The office artwork is 🔥!

[@ImWillyDS]

I always love the "niche" application of Apple product on Mac Address video, it opens my mind on what potential and limitation of people using apple product objectively without the fanboy point of view

[@Ervin-1190]

I tried this years ago on my iPad Air 2 when my MBP battery was suddenly super swollen. While waiting for a new one to replace it, work had to continue. I took my iPad Air 2 (yeah, it's old now, but at that time, it was still working fine), installed iMovie (i know...) and just getting files on it was a nightmare, then it couldn't even read a basic .mp4 file, then you couldn't even add any type of custom text layer or anything. The whole experience sucked so bad, never wanna try it again. Sure, with a iPad Pro, you got usb-c, files app, FCP etc. but as this video shows, it's all very cumbersome. iPadOS just isn't MacOS and that's the whole problem. If they would fix the software, and by fix I mean just give it MacOS, everything would be fine, because the hardware is very good. Apple is just stubborn AF here while trying to come up with complicated multitasking 'solutions' for problems MacOS has solved 20+ years ago.

[@joraforever9899]

you guys were missing for so long you even forgot the ltx ticket links in the description

[@edd9581]

Thats ipad os productivity right there

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

Hey, Subway cookies being soft and gooey are part of why they're so good!

[@BadMotivator66]

my one criticism is that this is more a review of FC pro for ipad, rather than what the ipad can do. it might be pedantic but choosing software which runs with fewer issues or workarounds would be a more fair test of what the hardware can do, rather than running into constant FC software restrictions/problems.

[@MarkSerenadesYou]

I bought an M1 Ipad pro recently and tried editing in Resolve. IpadOS's file management system is truly a nightmare. Completely unusable.

[@christurner4799]

10 seconds in and we have a "Oh hi Mark" reference. Love it

[@chrisw443]

I know several TV stations in the US still use FCP7 because it can do HD editing fine. They hated 10, now its fine, but they just cant move on, and the days of owning editing software are over so its pricey to change.

[@ToreOnYouTube]

The MA channel is a gem.

[@drcsme]

I love editing on my ipad pro, I use premier rush and it's works great for me and my work flow. I sit in my comfy recliner get the apple pencil and away I go.

[@HiThere-y8m]

THAT'S SOOO TRUE. I tried editing video on an iPad, however my camera is a bit dated and can record high quality video only in AVCHD, basically you can't turn 60 fps on mp3. and this format is not supported AT ALL. probably, it's a rare issue, but even some modern formats are not supporting and its' really frustrating. after that I bought a Mac and have 0 issues. if you are going to buy an iPad as a primary video editing device, better buy m1/m2 MacBook Air

[@lah-teeda6030]

Mark was great in this video!

[@userzi8ui6yi7d]

I’ve tried so hard to make the 12.9 with Magic Keyboard work as a Mac replacement for years. Doesn’t cut it. I’m ashamed of Apple for limiting it so much while simultaneously touting it as a laptop replacement. It isn’t. It’s still a big iPhone with a mega powerful chip. You can’t format sd cards. Exporting footage from SD card to photo gallery is a nightmare with no progress bar, the device can’t sleep or the progress will stop… no “select all” for photos and videos in the photos app… time to sell it and never look back. As a big Apple fan, you hate to see it.

[@BadKarma714]

Editing on iPad with LumaFusion and the Magic Keyboard is awesome

[@ManantialVE]

I agree.

[@mgaming5077]

“Hell is fouled by the presence of Final Cut Pro on the iPad!” 😂😂😂