The Cult of Hockey's "Edmonton Oilers with some trouble, big questions" podcast

[@johnbates7949]

Bruce is my favourite podcaster. #chill

[@DS-hs3qp]

What is this obsession with 'blame" get over it, the players are gone, turn the page. What if Emberson is better defensively than Ceci?

[@RememberMe123-b4b]

@DS-hs3qp So what?.... it's a free country, we can do what we want....if we want to worry ourselves sick, it's nobody's business but ours, not yours. SO THERE!!!! ... have a good nite....🤜🤛

[@jimmiejam9020]

What a stupid reply.

[@Ace96x10]

@@jimmiejam9020 What's "stupid" about it? If 2 guys ant to do a show expressing their concerns on a hockey team, that is their Gdam right. This isn't China (yet) ffsakes. The "Stupid" reply, would be you.

[@RememberMe123-b4b]

@jimmiejam9020 truth hurts, doesn't it?....try it sometimes

[@Ace96x10]

What's "stupid" about it? If 2 guys ant to do a show expressing their concerns on a hockey team, that is their Gdam right. This isn't China (yet) ffsakes. The "Stupid" reply, would be you.

[@dianedyck3474]

We know arvidson is prone to injury so we have others to fill in for him like Kane …I like the idea of bringing back Barrie…he plays rally well with kulak especially in the playoffs!

[@MachineGunJanmark]

Funny part is, this entire roster is on high wire moving guys in and out because nurse is massively overpaid for what he does

[@dianedyck3474]

That is true but please stop harping on it…it’s done and we have to make the best of it!

[@kingdavid7571]

Let's say he only got 6 mil. They would have spent the three mil already on different players. They still wouldn't necessarily have played Broberg more, which is a big reason he was disgruntled. If they - Holland- was very disciplined maybe they would be able to pay Bro and Holl 1.6 each for a couple years, but would Bro have been happy with that? And would he have signed quickly enough so no offer sheet was signed?? And BELIEVE ME I'm not saying Nurse isn't overpaid. It is just likely they would still be very stretched with a few different players, or lengths of contracts. Maybe Holloway would have taken 1.6 or something, but I'm guessing not Broberg, unless he was playing full time, especially on his left side. Funny Nurse, the high paid veteran, gets to play on his preferred side, but the rookie had to switch.

[@Feedback4Utoday]

great job by Bruce to identify this issue a year ago !! got to develop the 1st round guys... (tho Brob did seem to need that extra time in the minors.... was having problems in nhL/making mistakes and not really getting it....)

[@gordtulk]

Excellent commentary by both of you today. The oil have made bets on older players. And the loss was too future players.

[@myfriendjoe]

rather have ardvidsson than Holloway

[@kwaty]

That’s not the trade off. Cory Perry is who we have instead off Holloway!

[@erichaynes5826]

They should play Nurse as a left winger, then the pucks can bounce off his ass into the opponents net instead of ours.

[@sigdawg]

Why are we still complaining about Broberg?! Either we didn't play him enough, or we rushed his development. Doesn't matter because He was always going to take the money.

[@barstar888]

You guys are overlooking that the “ask” for the potential Buchnevich deadline deal was both Broberg and Holloway and Holland rightly said no. The targeting of those players was known to the oilers management prior to the offseason so the blame goes completely to Holland (75%) and Jackson (25%). The coaches can be blamed for not believing in players and making bad on ice decisions but they can’t be blamed for managing the off ice player negotiation status as those are 2 separate things and this offer sheet scenario is an off ice issue. In the past when managers and coaches didn’t see eye to eye either a player would get traded that stood in the way or a player get traded that wasn’t good enough to usurp whoever was in front but either way management was/is in control.

[@dnice4145]

If Bowman/the oilers truly felt that either player was going to be special they would have signed both, they didn’t. That should tell Dave and Bruce something about how both players are viewed within the organization. Save the money now for better options available down the road.

[@truenorth1355]

We’ll see.

[@ryannealon7776]

My question would be on the LTR issue with the injured player on the Edmonton Oilers. Does he have any other skills shit did he take business or could they move him temporarily to another position within the agency still keep him on on his contract but just put him in a different page, a different column in the payroll or would that be against the NHL guidelines that might allow the team to be able to recruit Kopp page?

[@myfriendjoe]

I dont think Kane is allowed to say hes looking at surgery. I think they did talk to kane and I think he did say that, but I think hes gotta say that, he can't say to a reporter that he thinks he will be out the season if he hasn't even had surgery.

[@DS-hs3qp]

The top contenders ALWAYS have the poorest prospect pool....there is nothing new about this. Would you rather be in the mushy middle of the NHL standings and all of your prospects and draft picks... OR BE A CONTENDER?????????????????????

[@daveeverett4689]

Dallas has an excellent prospect pool. You have to hit on your picks in the later rounds. It’s how you become consistent contenders.

[@joetoh6675]

@@daveeverett4689 Tampa too, had a great run with lower picks.

[@Ace96x10]

@@joetoh6675 Yep. The commenter acts as if you can't be a contender and still have prospects. Nutty poo poo.

[@Kevinms0304]

I think they brought in Murray to push Bro and Bro didn't have it in him to displace Murray

[@ryannealon7776]

I have more of the more of the question than a comment. What is Edmonton‘s biggest problem with always getting rid of coaches. Why can we not keep coaches around for the long term? Is that a management issue issue in ownership issue or do we just pick bad coaches? It seems that every time we get a coach He’s good. He’s great until he goes to a bad spurt. I coaches don’t have a lot of lifespan here in Edmonton professionally. Why is that?

[@kenainmeshik]

Guys Broberg had 3 years to prove he was better than any of the current right D. Sure there is an argument but man when do we look at the player and say be better. No different than Bouchard he has played his way to where he is now and it was Holland who cleared his path because he earned it.

[@schwamieboy1]

The point (for all the bedwetters that complain that we want accountability from the leadership/management) is that this next season was all about squeezing the most out of the cap. Broberg and Halloway were to be key parts of the roster BECAUSE we could get great value from them. All the rest, the time spent developing them etc etc is a major secondary point. We needed cheap youth that have been apart of the team to step up and maximize their value period full stop.

[@Apex1000snow]

Remember Bobby Orr..... his injury's and surgery's ended his career at 10 years. Medical technology was cut and remove back then, later in life creates arthritis and more pain! today is so much different and many times just recovery with exercise even works!

[@ryannealon7776]

My question also would be because because the Edmonton Oilers are Canadian team could they use the duty to reasonably accommodate ruling from the Supreme Court to their advantage still keep him on the payroll, but give him a temporary position in another part of the organization. And he is an injured player who was injured during his jobthe employer needs to accommodate, but in this case, they also need space every thought of how they may use the duty to accommodate rule and interpretation of section 15 of the charter rights, freedom responsibilities, and also workplace rights in the workplace legislation

[@xiaosin]

Broberg wanted a trade and I doubt much change since. St. Louis will make an offer sheet regardless of how Broberg plays in the playoffs off. Holland should shoulder 70% - 80% of the blame. He rather have Broberg sitting around in the press box than send him down to the AHL and he brought Broberg up to play a couple more games at the end of the season that make Broberg's offer sheet eligible.

[@WinterWoolies]

I know right, Holland is an out of touch senile Bum. Why the f would he do that.

[@StephenHofforth]

Moving Darnell Nurse is not someone to move yet. However, the coaches, especially Coffey, have to get him to place positional defense properly and stop wandering around. None of the previous defencemen that played with him have really been the problem.

[@duanelee2609]

Find a sacrificial lamb to play with Nurse. Do not play Emberson with Nurse, it could kill his confidence. The coaching staff should dress Nurse up in goalie equipment so he gets a better understanding of how much goalies dislike defenders playing goalie in front of them.

[@MachineGunJanmark]

The fact that Broberg and Holloway were targets at the deadline by the blues should've sent off alarm bells once they were going to put Krug on LTIR , I was texting into Ched they should trade with St Louis for Ceci, that should've been on their radar at that point, maybe it was and they were hoping that it wouldn't go down

[@mattpeters6120]

Holloway is a middle 6 forward broberg at best a second pairing and that’s if he grows some balls and gets physical. Not major losses. The nurse deal cripples this team.

[@kggl5079]

. Last year was a good year in terms of injury I have a feeling that this year may not be so lucky so (cheap ) help is compulsory.

[@dianedyck3474]

Actually it wasn’t a good year…remember the start when almost everyone was hurt…it took 20 games to get going…they had to really work hard to just make the playoffs after that start!

[@LZed-g4k]

Let’sGoOilersLetsGo!!

[@RememberMe123-b4b]

Holloway is going to be one of those guys that get forgotten about in 3 years, if not sooner..... he messed up big time.

[@dianedyck3474]

Yes I think you are right…I really liked him but I think he screwed up big time!

[@Ace96x10]

I hope your right. But I think Holloway will be a top 6 player around 40-50 points soon. I hope I'm wrong.)

[@dianedyck3474]

@@Ace96x10 I’m not so sure about that…he was playing with a lot of talent on this team…I know the blues have really good players but not the level we have …

[@Ace96x10]

@@dianedyck3474 Well, Holloway was playing 3rd and 4th line mostly here. He will likely be a top 6 in SL before long. He will then be getting a lot more minutes of ice time. He's very fast and very skilled, with great hands and getting better by the month. I guess time will tell)

[@RememberMe123-b4b]

@Ace96x10 I'm not sure... Avs, Stars, Jets, Preds, Black hawks(👎), Red Wings...am I missing anybody?....pretty good division

[@dianedyck3474]

Letting Connor heal on his own is a p real kudo for holland who stood behind Connor every step of the way…I didn’t like some of hollands moves but he was very admirable in this instance!

[@Ace96x10]

I think Holland was a fantastic Gm overall.

[@dianedyck3474]

@@Ace96x10he did some good for sure but he made mistakes and not getting those two youngsters signed was a bad one!…I’m sure Holloway would have less if holland had made the effort…broberg was treated really badly by holland and woodcroft so I don’t think he would sign anyways!

[@Ace96x10]

@@dianedyck3474 One would have to be an insider to know why either of them were not signed earlier. I'd bet their agents, unless they are an amazing idiots, told them NOT to sign, knowing full well this could happen, and cause both the players and their agents to make lot more money. If so, that is in no way Hollands fault.

[@dianedyck3474]

@@Ace96x10 holland has been around awhile so I’m assuming he knew how to handle these type of situations…holland knew when Jackson took over that he would not be resigned and so he did not care!

[@myfriendjoe]

the prospects are light, but the nhl club has never been better. a year ago we had lots of prospects, but we traded them for NHL talent

[@tonyc8752]

They were a bit better in the 80s

[@Oilers1972]

⁠@@tonyc8752, lol just a bit. Good Glen Sather interview on the Bob McCown podcast recently.

[@TheMikeyb86]

43:00 Fiasco. 2 first round picks that are legit NHLers that aren't magic beans at this point because they've been marinating in the AHL for years traded for and 2nd and a 3rd.

[@cawoodpublishing]

Holloway played 38 games last year with 9pts -1 Broberg played 12 with 2pts -3 (regular season)

[@Ace96x10]

9 points in 38 games with very limited mins as a rookie isn't great, but it isn't bad. BUT, he had 7 points in 5 games this last playoffs, and looked excellent in that bottom 6 role. 7 points in 5 playoff games vs top teams. I think Oilers should have qualified him.

[@flip-pin-eh]

@@Ace96x10hi Ace! I believe they both got qualifying offers but their agents told them to wait for other offers. Sucks to lose them but they went for the 💰. IMO, for them to put the Oilers in this situation is like punching their teammates in the face since they knew the Oilers were tight on cap. Bye bye. Moving forward, let’s hope the new additions are better additions at a lower cap

[@Feedback4Utoday]

new Mgt of Bowman/Jackson... & BobNicholson.... lost all speed advantage (McLeod/Holloway/Foeg)... Broberg/Cici/Desharn gone... still paying J.Neale & Campbell... Lots of questions... karma? If Drais decides team has problems... then McD likely does the same.... & pipeline looks a problem. But Drais may sign - but his leverage has just gone up.... & they will sign him at any cost or will really look bad

[@Chriscoles111]

I feel as though st Lou’s will have to deal with the same problem next season. Maybe it’ll just be a normal thing. I think the oilers did the right things. Maybe should have signed these players instead of perry and carrick See how it goes.

[@myfriendjoe]

they weren't blocked, they were outplayed

[@happytrails151]

Of course Broberg was blocked. Compare his situation with Bouchard and it isn't close. Bouchard didn't have to outplay players to get his shot. Most key prospects get a push at some point

[@coltsgotluck6518]

Nurse is an anchor

[@Unitedbambu]

We basically traded long term contracts of Broberg and Holloway for Arviddson and Skinner on rentals. Looked in the long term this trade looks horrible as it zaps the young depth needed, but in the short term this is an acceptable risk as the Cup window is NOW. If the Oilers win the Cup this July no one will give a shit about these trades in hindsight but if they don’t win it I can see the fans giving Jeff Jackson a ton of crap.

[@duanelee2609]

Two year contracts aren’t long term. Broberg wanted a change, probably why he didn’t sign with the Oil. Holloway want more money than the Oil were willing to pay, he choose to sign elsewhere for that money. Time to move on from players that didn’t want to be a part of the Oilers future.

[@WinterWoolies]

K you can call that Bum Broberry again.

[@ianjackson3346]

Well, you got Ceci out of your craw.

[@jetrow67]

Its not a question of rehab or surgery. He should have been put on LTIR surgery or not. He kept playing at less than 100% and was then not healthy for the playoffs. Very poor management.

[@Feedback4Utoday]

Nurse seems a nice guy - but is a big problem for the org. Going back to the Chi playoffs, remember how the Chi bias announcers had zeroed in on how bad he was... all the mistakes... how he was the one to target and how he was losing them that series etc... I think org will have paid him $100mil.... & lot of consequence on others - Brob & Hollow having to wait - so Darnell could get the $9.275m/yr..... which they decided they did not have to wait - that they could also be greedy. Very fine margin in 3-2 league... & espec in playoffs. One weakness is all it takes to lose by 1 goal... and to fail. Nurse is a weak link... likely a 3r liner w the other 3rd liner D.... so missing 2 2nd line D. Broberg appeared to be the 2nd liner .. w hope could align w Nurse.... so that Kulak & a cheap guy could do 3rd. Now no 2nd line D.... lost speed which was team compet advantage.... & lost the penalty kill advantage (DesharnHolloMcLeod speed, & Cici).. Getting by w weak goal-tending (to pay Campbell $25mil).... Holland made a lot of careless spending... still paying J.Neale.....

[@simondaughtry4619]

Come playoff Crunch time Nurse was bottom 2 & Kane healthy is what 50 points?

[@TH-tl6sy]

Honestly, since Jackson hired Bowman I've expected complete destruction of the team. So I've been disengaged.

[@JTMBVideos]

Get over the offer sheets, move on, it is not fatal

[@Dullumis]

Technically it's all Nusrs fault. His contract and if he was a 9 mol D man we would not have to get Ekholm... could have focused on getting a right shot D with 2nd line Broberg

[@myfriendjoe]

the oilers wanted a right defence man when they got ekholm.

[@azaz911c]

Barrie is ok.

[@jasonb9152]

The thing that makes no sense is playing Deharnais all season, & no Broberg. And then in the playoffs, Deharnais is OK until the competition gets tough, and then they bring Broberg in & he’s better. Well Maybe they should’ve sat Deharnais some & started to rotate Broberg in during the season. Not too smart.

[@jayb5071]

Holland and Jackson 100% poor management

[@KptKrunch9481]

Why do you guys continually pump Brobergs Playoff performance? I thought you were hockey guys??? It's the, what I call, the PETER KLIMA (remember him Bruce?) effect. Klima sat on the bench for what was it, FOUR periods - and when he finally got a shift, he was fresh, rested and raring to go, against a Boston team that was gassed and bam, he scores, we win. Fast forward to what was it , game 5 against Dallas - we insert and fresh and rested Broberg into the lineup against a team that just went through TWO meatgrinders in Colorado and Vegas, not to mention the first 4 games against us - well Broberg BETTER look good against that exhausted lineup. I can't believe NO ONE is talking about this!!! How did Broberg do in the last couple of games against Florida? Notice how his play started dropping off, as he wasn't as 'fresh' anymore was he?

[@kingdavid7571]

Yes, I thought Broberg was playing with less confidence the last two games. But he did show a LOT of improvement after being called up.

[@daveherman4546]

my dog likes cake

[@Ace96x10]

That is actually bodes well for the Oilers according to my "Cake gives signs" book.

[@RememberMe123-b4b]

Mitzi does as well, but I try to keep her on kibble, it gives her poop a more dense consistency, easier to pick up. I'm no spring chicken anymore.

[@nickelliott1174]

When the Oilers don't get out of the Western Conference this year, their fans are going to melt down.

[@dianedyck3474]

The oilers will be in the cup then you and your pals can go have another melt down!

[@WinterWoolies]

Actually I won't give a f and I'll chive on bud. But thanks, because I'm a multi millionaire and life is really good. Take it easy doofus lol

[@saldurante538]

If we don't win this year this organization is in big trouble. Ken Holland was a nightmare just as bad as chirrarelli

[@RememberMe123-b4b]

HUH?....Holland took a mediocre team to 2 goals away from winning a cup...Hyman, Ekholm, Knoblauch, Coffey, Henrique, Brown(finally!!) pick-ups, Broberg got called up in the playoffs. If it weren't for Henrique, Kane, Draisaitl being injured for the last 2 series, Oilers would have won the Cup....guaranteed. Yah... the Nurse deal was a bad signing, but every team has a bad contract ( not that it justifies it), so that's a wash. No... you're wrong, Holland did a pretty good job.

[@TH-tl6sy]

Nurses deal was Chiarelli's fault giving him bridge after bridge. And Holland was stuck with him having a career year and his comparable that year getting $9.5 million dollar deals on the market that summer.

[@RememberMe123-b4b]

@TH-tl6sy YUP!!!!.....to complicate matters worse, Klefbom not coming back and Larsen went to Seattle, Holland hands were tied....but still. When I heard Darnell inked that contract, I just about ran into the ditch. Stauffer reported that Nurse would have walked if he didn't get it....I would have let him walk 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@roximama]

I can't shake the feeling that Jackson is poison and so far his actions have proven that feeling to be correct. Sure, there are other people who have had their hands in all of this but right now all of the problems are his to fix and he's only making things worse.

[@dianedyck3474]

How exactly?

[@roximama]

​@@dianedyck3474 Literally every problem they just talked about with the team right now is happening under Jackson.

[@RememberMe123-b4b]

Not exactly know what you're getting at.... the whole idea of offer sheets is a bunch of BS. Doug Strongarm took advantage of a team that was up against the cap...pretty slimy. Teams might be wary to deal with St.Louis from now on. Him and Chiarelli didn't do themselves any favors.

[@dianedyck3474]

@@RememberMe123-b4b I agree…someone is going to give them their comeuppance and it can’t happen soon enough…he thinks he’s so friggin smart by doing this …can’t wait to hear him squeal when the turnabout comes to the blues!

[@dianedyck3474]

@@roximama it really isn’t a problem right now tho…we got really good players for replacement so I don’t see a problem at all!

[@stephenbarradell4043]

what prospect pool?

[@WinterWoolies]

Akey, Pedersen, Savoie, Wanner, Petrov, O'Reilly, Hoefenmeyer, Phillip, Kemp, Lavoie, Rodrigue. All with high potential to become nhlers.

[@ryannealon7776]

I have more of the more of the question than a comment. What is Edmonton‘s biggest problem with always getting rid of coaches. Why can we not keep coaches around for the long term? Is that a management issue issue in ownership issue or do we just pick bad coaches? It seems that every time we get a coach He’s good. He’s great until he goes to a bad spurt. I coaches don’t have a lot of lifespan here in Edmonton professionally. Why is that?