Hybrid vs. Plug-in Hybrid: What’s the Difference & Which One Is Right For You?

[@edmundscars]

We get that EVs aren’t for everyone, but there are plenty of good options for electrified cars without having to go full on into the world of an EV. Which would you choose?

[@codincoman9019]

A self-charging hybrid, obviously. The SCH is the MOST RELIABLE car segment, unlike the BEVs = the LEAST RELIABLE car segment. Also, the SCHs have the lowest TCO (Total Cost of Ownership), despite the 2-3k battery replacement cost, while the BEVs have the highest TCO, due to the very expensive (~20k) big battery replacement cost. The PHEV are just slightly better than BEVs, thus even from the economic perspective, the SCH are a better alternative than PHEV or BEV, even without talking about the BEV huge pollution, unreliability, high TCO, dangerousness, impracticality, controlability etc.

[@trickyow8328]

So what do you think is better kia spportage hybrid or phev? Or tucson?​@@codincoman9019

[@NickDimitrov-j6m]

Hybrid is obsolete... especially with modern battery chemistries. Hybrid is better than ICE, however... The question should be, PHEV vs. EV. I had both. ICE to PHEV, to EV. sooo... PHEV is good for 18-30 miles range, a bit less in winter. Enough for getting to and back from work. In a large metropolitan city... EV is better. 200+ miles can go far. Unless you have to do cross-country coast to coast... then PHEV become ordinary hybrid refuelable in seconds.

[@chadhaire1711]

@@NickDimitrov-j6m BULLSHIT..you left out that PHEV even if charged for 50% of driving will take 250,000 miles to pay for itself, and by then the battery will be dead. Did you people ever go to school and learn math?

[@markshard]

Hybrid all the way. Saving my THOUSANDS

[@styes1]

Most people saying EV is better than pluggin hybrid fail to understand that the pluggin hybrid can also operate as a normal EV as well just with a bigger battery so more range. You can use it as a gas vehicle, regular hybrid or a EV when pluggin in and charged. That is the future.

[@codincoman9019]

@@styes1 While the PHEV is better than the BEV scam (polluting, dangerous, unreliable, high TCO, impractical clunkers), this segment is far below the SCH (Self-Charging Hybrids, the best of both worlds -due to their best reliability, lowest TCO etc.).

[@jsanders299]

Haven’t watched the video, but I have owned a Lexus CtH (Hybrid) and now own a RAV4 Prime (PHEV). So the actual truth from someone who has LOTS of real world experience is that PHEV is friggin awesome and it comes with a free hybrid included! We live 13 miles one way from where we do errands, shop, etc. we can literally go months without touching a gas pump (if we never went out of town). We are retired, so no “work” per se. This 302 horsepower, awd, 0 to 60 in 5.7 seconds, 48 mpg average over 3 years including LONG rod trips with a high of 84mpg is incredible! I can’t think of anything that anyone makes that I could replace it with. Don’t get me started on lack of maintenance requirements! Look that up for yourself! A Toyota PHEV is the way to the future.

[@stephen0406]

Thanks for sharing, but wouldn't a full EV serve you just as well? Without carrying around a full tank of gas (the extra weight)? Also, you still need to do all the ICE maintenance PLUS battery requirements? I mean your ICE engine is still there and eventually you need to do oil change. And do you just charge to full every night? But isn't that bad for the battery? I mean what kills the batteries in EVs will also kill the batteries in PHEVs right? To be honest, I'm looking for a new ride but PHEVs just doesn't seem logical to me.

[@jsanders299]

@@stephen0406 Absolutely not. No ev got us! We have ZERO range anxiety, the car always works perfectly, cold, hot, doesn’t matter. The lack of reliable chargers in the real world is irrelevant, we have ICE. As for maintenance, look up maintenance requirements for the Prime, it doesn’t have things like timing chains, starters, alternators etc. annual oil changes are hardly a burden compared to absolute peace of mind. Minimal wear on an engine when it doesn’t run much 😉. We only charge if we are going to use it, takes less than 3 hours to charge to full if it is “empty”. On our busiest month it cost us around $20 to charge for the complete month. Fuel and maintenance costs per day for a 3 year period is $2.29 My advice is to run away from EV’s, unless you enjoy the thrill of not knowing if you can make it to your destination, hoping that you can find a charger that hasn’t been vandalized, wondering if it is too cold for your car, adding untold hours to your vacation charging (if you even can), etc. Unless you only drive to work and they have a charger, and home and you have a charger.

[@stephen0406]

@@jsanders299 Thanks for the detailed reply, appreciated it.

[@jsanders299]

@@stephen0406 here’s a little extra- Trip to Yellowstone, when we entered the gate we had 30 ev miles left, we drove through the park for roughly 8 hours/160 miles. When we left the park through the same gate we had 36 ev miles left😳, and the car said 48.5 mpg! Just for giggles we filled up the (gas) tank…. It took 3 gallons…. This thing (Rav 4 Prime) is amazing.

[@alexdhutanu]

2022 Prius Prime owner, I have the same findings as the guy with the RAV4, but even cheaper to buy and run. Could not justify the price difference to Model 3 when I bought, 20k. 50 years of petrol cost for my Prius at the rate I use it

[@rxonmymind8362]

Shout out to Toyota Venza hybrid. 38-42 mpg is what I'm getting. Get one now as they are being discontinued after 2024. Taking it's place is the Crown Signia. The ride is plush, fit and finish is very nice and it has just enough pep 0-60 in the 7's. Love mine.

[@bergkamp1961]

😊 on my pp on😅p

[@sameerahmed831]

why get a car which is being discontinued? After the warranty is over, the maintenance and repairs will be expensive

[@rxonmymind8362]

@sameerahmed831 This vehicle is made around the world by another name. Also mfg are required to keep spares 10 years after being discontinued. Good to go.

[@NathanNorris-xm9hl]

50.5 MPG in 2018 Fusion to work which is 30 miles. Ford advertises at 40MPG. I can get 58MPG if most of the 30 miles wasn't highway.

[@chriswernke4824]

Recently purchased a new 2024 Ford Maverick hybrid and I really enjoy the seamless use of both electric and gas. Outstanding MPG with no drawbacks.

[@shawnhill4779]

I only wish that Ford made it available with AWD and/or 4k towing.

[@chadhaire1711]

Will be drawbacks when you have to replace that battery Gomer

[@giselle_kvm]

Battery replacements are not that common so stop the fear mongering ​@@chadhaire1711

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

@@shawnhill4779 There is AWD option but with the 2.0 L ecoboost. I had a Mercury Mariner Hybrid AWD, little box. Great in snow, never had an issue. It lacks on acceleration power but overall great. I was getting around 26 MPG, it was a 2009 so it was very good for that year.

[@WaterDR-tw8re]

That's not a PHEV

[@wade_says]

I’ve owned all 3 and the one I’ve been happiest with is the standard Hybrid. Best of both worlds.

[@codincoman9019]

@@wade_says Fully agree! But people are rarely able to calculate the TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) and to check the reliability for the cars they need (heck, they are not even able to choose based on their needs, they fall for what they like/want). If they would be smart enough to research instead of buying emotionally, they would purchase only the top cars - all Japanese, with excellent reliability and low TCO - ICE cars with naturally aspirated engines and SCH (self-charging hybrids, the best of both worlds). BEVs are unreliable, with a huge TCO, dangerous, polluting, impractical etc. And the PHEVs are closer to BEVs (than to SCH and ICE cars), unlike the most reliable and lowest TCO segment (the SCH, wrongly labeled as HEV and wrongly considered in the EV category).

[@MH-fb5kr]

totally agree… smaller carbon footprint and fuel available everywhere

[@Molishious]

I drive a PHEV which covers 100 % of my driving most days. It’s more efficient than its ICE or hybrid equivalents and has more horsepower and torque than they do. On long trips it’s an efficient hybrid vehicle that I don’t have to charge. I don’t have to compromise on range and slow refueling like an EV does and I don’t have to compromise on efficiency like the ICE vehicle. Consumer reports has it ranked higher for reliability than any EV. There is maintenance and I do burn gas. That’s the decision I made to not have to compromise on range and efficient refueling. Three years in I have had no problems and I still enjoy driving it every day. It has held its resale value than any EV. My next car will be a full EV, but I have no complaints. A lot of the anti phev comments that I’ve read in comments sections like this are based on what people think will happen rather than any actual data.

[@chadhaire1711]

Here is some data....at 50% EV driving it will take 250,000 miles for that PHEV to pay for itself and by then another $4K to replace the battery destroying any savings. You should have paid more attention in school when they were teaching math.

[@burnx45]

What model do you have? I'm thinking about selling my 2023 Tesla Model Y LR which only has about just over 200 mile range in real world and getting a Toyota RAV4 Prime with over a 500 mile range, which is more than double the range of the Tesla.

[@Molishious]

@@burnx45 I have a 21 RAV4 prime SE that I bought new. Wouldn’t mind having the XSE but it’s been a great car. Does what it’s advertised to do. Great around town in EV mode and okay on the highway. Imagine you’ll miss the horsepower of the Y when driving on the freeway all electric. In hybrid mode it’s very good for passing. I am using the hybrid more than I thought I would though 90 % of the time I’m driving in EV mode. Efficient as a hybrid, probably won’t seem too efficient in EV mode compared to the Y but it gets the advertised range driving around town.

[@mikecr4916]

Once you start paying for the charging electricity and infrastructure, you will find that an ICE is FAR more efficient. When will that be? When we stop pissing away tax payer dollars to supplement EVs.

[@ourpatrondotnet]

Ignored in this video is the fact that battery packs do not last forever, and to replace one ain’t cheap. It can completely wipe out any savings versus a gas powered vehicle. I drive a hybrid, and I am very mindful of this.

[@vevenaneathna]

130k miles on my 13 year old chevy volt. getting 50-55 miles of range. you must be talking about another car with a poorly designed cooling system lol

[@chadhaire1711]

@@vevenaneathna Sorry you cant afford a real car Goober

[@vevenaneathna]

@@chadhaire1711 okay. i own all my cars cash unlike you. my weekend car is a porsche... you got that car note and are mad bitter

[@chadhaire1711]

@@vevenaneathna I drive over $2 million in factory supplied cars every year goober...I don't need to pay for anything. And sure as hell don't need to embarrass myself by being seen in a fairy ride like a Chevy volt.

[@chadhaire1711]

@@vevenaneathna I see we have another brainwashed dude thinking Russia started this war in Ukraine........LOL......NOT.

[@g7003041]

Hybrid is always better than pure EVs. You don’t have battery levels anxiety, don’t have to look for dedicated charge stations. Don’t need to wait for charging time if you are on the go. If you mostly working from home even better, mean you mostly used electric, and if you travel far or night you don’t worry to charge especially late night and alone at the charge station. No EV infrastructure yet in your area? No problem. I can go for gas station. ..etc

[@codincoman9019]

Plus that hybrids are the MOST RELIABLE car segment, unlike the BEVs that are the LEAST RELIABLE car segment. Plus the hybrids have the lowest TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) despite the hybrid battery replacement cost, while the BEV's have the highest TCO because of the big battery replacement cost. A PHEV are a little bit better than a BEV, but clearly below a (self-charging) hybrid.

[@markshard]

my suv hybrid was 52mpg yesterday and since refueling 42mpg. pluggable version would be $5000 and takes YEARS for the gas engine to recover that cost. this is the problem with pluggables. there's always a massive up front premium and dupe people into buying them under the guise of never having to spend a precious 5-10 minutes at a gas station.

[@flashsushi1843]

Besides Toyota PHEVs, which other makes make reliable ones? A few months, there was a study suggesting HEVs (Toyota sells the most) are more reliable than PHEVs, which are more reliable than BEVs. I guess there's more reliance on and complexity to PHEVs and BEVs' software and BMS.

[@codincoman9019]

Yep, Consumer Reports annual reliability survey revealed that hybrids > PHEV > BEV in reliability (and similarly is with the low TCO ranking), not only economically, thus my choice for a Lexus hybrid (0 issues in 5 years, not even recalls, minimizing thus the car total costs).

[@tocreatee5736]

@@codincoman9019 because most of hybrids on road are Toyota or honda. thats why they are reliable. there are a lot of hybrids just nightmare to own. my brother in law own Hyundai HV SUV for 3 years and got rid of it.

[@CeeWorld69]

Bevs lol??

[@Flying-Tampon]

Absolutely. Even better if you have solar on the roof and a battery for charging it up. Works for me. Also some PHEVs (Toyota) can charge on the run!

[@Robert-d3e2v]

I love my 2025 non plug in Camry. Plenty of power, awesome ECVT (nothing like the cvt), I get great mpg. Very quiet and smooth. However, I miss having a natural aspirated gas vehicle.

[@ArcticEagle-u7x]

Loved the video, very informative and practical tips.

[@A861967]

Hybrid any day. EVs are just not reliable due to the support that is available, nor infrastructure available and unpredictable range depending upon use. Especially in Australia where we don’t have a good supply of electric.

[@xGRASHOPAx]

Test drove the 24 Prius Prime today. It is a Beautiful car feels good and is quiet. Only problem is, I'm 6'3 and the windshield is super short. My line of vision is almost at the headliner. I realllllllly wanted to like this car but it would drive me nuts having to slouch while driving.

[@Riley_1955]

Which is one of a couple reasons I myself bought a 2023 Corolla Hybrid LE AWD instead ..... Have had it a year & 1/2 now and I can safely say I made a fantastic smart decision .... I absolutely love my Corolla.

[@paulira7407]

Go with a Rav4 Prime instead. I’m 6’4” and it’s a better field of vision compared to the Prius Prime. I felt claustrophobic while test driving the Prime.

[@xGRASHOPAx]

I Ended up buying a 2025 Corolla Hatchback XSE, and so far I love it. I only drive maybe 7k a year so I don't really need a hybrid price tag. This Corolla should last me 10-15 years or longer.

[@beautyofgrace3915]

Just bought a 2018 Chevy Volt Premiere, get 51 ev miles, it’s great on gas as well, but it’s been a month and I haven’t gone to the gas station yet, so I have the best of both worlds. It’s not complicated, you just decide if you want to use the battery or gas, it’s one of the best cars that I ever had😊

[@chadhaire1711]

Guess you never learned math.....it takes from new 250,000 miles for that EV mode to pay for itself if you charge 50%., 125,000 miles at 100% then plan on replacing that battery at another $4K.

[@manuelferreira4622]

@@chadhaire1711 Bingo! 👋👋👋👋👍👍👍👍

[@samohtsolacad229]

Which State gives $7500 rebate for a PHEV vehicle? Last I read somewhere that rebate only applies to pure EVs.

[@burnx45]

California has a $6,500 cash lease rebate. I'm planning on getting a Toyota RAV4 Prime XSE since it's not much more than a Hybrid Limited, as I've seen the price difference within $2,000 if you factor in the rebate.

[@kenvik-q5t]

Lexus RX 450h AWD is as reliable as the best luxury hybrid can be, so I had a couple of hybrids and never had any problems, they are also saving you on maintenance compared to gasoline only vehicles.

[@oreo_249]

you say that you pay less, what about maintenance and repair costs when something goes bad like battery itself?

[@Fc9ers]

with a gas car you pay strickly gas, less mpg plus maintenance and repair costs

[@oreo_249]

@Fc9ers no shot. On a gasoline vehicle I perform the easier maintenance myself, what i mean by that is that you will probably be paying way more in repairs with an EV.

[@dsholt]

I'm really close to pulling the trigger on a Rav4 Prime, but the cost premium over a regular hybrid is tripping me up. The selling point that we don't drive long distances and can use mostly electric almost goes in the other direction. If we don't put lots of miles on a car, we aren't going to save huge amounts of gas money, right? The Prime XSE is $50,000 (the sticker price says $47,000, but the dealers put a bunch of "options" that bring it to $50k. One with a premium package, which gets you all leather seats, is north of $52,000, and these are almost impossible to find right now). It is hard to compare apples to apples with the regular hybrid RAVs because of the array of trim levels and packages, but I think I can outfit the XSE that I want for $42,000. $8,000 seems like a lot to save some gas money and feel good about reducing some emissions. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

[@PresidentJackBauer]

@@dsholt if you don't drive a lot, it'll take forever to make up the price difference. Even if you did, it'll still take over 5 years at best. You have to look at it as a duodenal car altogether at that point benadryl of the performance and feature difference. I'd say wait for an updated rav4 or shop another brand or just get the regular hybrid if you don't need the extra speed

[@markshard]

suv hybrid yesterday was 52mpg. since refueling is 42mpg. pluggable version can't get close to that.

[@scottmccullo]

The 2025 Lexus UX300h AWD should be mentioned take a ride in one

[@rxonmymind8362]

Toyota Venza .😊

[@JamaicanMeCrazy]

I think a regular hybrid seems to be the set spot

[@chriswf]

Dude, the only difference really is phevs (should) have bigger batteries. If you don't live in an apartment, this is GREAT opportunity to daily drive your car for very cheap, maybe even free if you have solar. And never have to visit a gas station. However the combustion engine is there, so no range anxiety. Regular hybrids use braking and the gas engine to spin a shaft going through the electrical motor(s) to recharge it. You're still 100% required to buy gas.

[@stefantakacs]

Lol no mention of the Sienna!?

[@davidg426]

No EPA Calculator link? I want an EV. But charging circumstances are not good for me. Also, road trips are more of a challenge. It's getting better. Hurry up and build more RELIABLE charging stations!

[@PresidentJackBauer]

A Tuscon hybrid limited, vs a Tuscon hybrid plug in limited have a 5k difference in price. It would take nearly 15 years to make up that price in gas savings if you drive 15k miles a year.

[@ALMX5DP]

All depends on how many pure EV miles you’d drive in a given year. It would still take years to recoup, but there are also incentives and even convenience considerations which need to be taken into account.

[@codincoman9019]

Add the much higher cost for the plug-in battery replacement vs. the small hybrid battery replacement. You'll never recover that price difference, thus the self-charging hybrid is a far better choice. And the right choice is Toyota, not a Korean clunker.

[@chadhaire1711]

@@ALMX5DP bullshit

[@ALMX5DP]

@@chadhaire1711 what part?

[@chadhaire1711]

@@ALMX5DP where are the incentives and convenience considerations? Not there which is why you did not list

[@gangatalishis]

Hybrid is the best however if you want incentives and discounts they only offer it on PHEV or EV.

[@Me_Caveman]

Plug in Hybrids makes some sense to me if the car uses its small motor as a range extender and an electric motor to power it (like the MX-30 R uses). Otherwise Toyota's Prius is just fine, as it's design just tries to use a small battery to increase ICE efficiency. The downsides are more components in your car that can fail.

[@leechin5890]

Is hybrid good for long distance daily commute? I’ve a 180 miles round trip daily commute and hearing that hybrid isn’t good for long distance daily commute or at speeds over 80 mph.

[@chadhaire1711]

you are correct waste of money

[@C_MF_FKNEGRWHOLE]

IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE 3LEVEL-HYBRID CAR THAT IS SOLAR(SUMMER) + WATER ENGINE (SPRING&AUTUMN)+ FOSSIL FUEL(WINTER) ?

[@DanLetts97]

The thing I can’t stand about hybrids is they keep going back-and-forth between the engine and the electric motor every two minutes or so, it’s ridiculous. I love my plug-in Prius because I can drive it as an EV most of the time. But I have the engine there too for longer drives, it’s great. I trickle charge for free at work.

[@cmblocker95]

I have less range anxiety than grid anxiety. More people will drive electric vehicles. At some point, the limits of electric generation, transmission, and distribution capacity will be exceeded reached. That is my condern. Also, most of my driving is for trips under 40 miles. If car manufacturers want people to buy their electric cars, they are going to have to supplement their lines with PHEVs. If they build them, they will come. I am holding out for a full sized PHEV pickup.

[@Michael-u8b3l]

All hybrids, PHEV, or ICE/battery have a cost prohibitive hazmat issue. The batteries. You spend $60k on a vehicle and at 100,000 miles you gotta spend $20-30k on a new battery. So, what is wrong with going pure ICE to electric generation like a train. No large storage batteries? That would reduce cost, reduce hazmat, and still be fuel efficient on the highway.

[@tocreatee5736]

its not Hybrid or Plug-in Hybrid. its all depended on who are making system. you should ask toyota and honda or all other brand.

[@stevenalexander403]

G'day it's Steven from down under C'mon America Join the rest of the world with the most popular PHEV SUV that was pioneered in 2013...the current Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is a stunner.

[@WilliamLaverick-wo1nb]

It’s a hybrid as you’re not having to charge as well as fill up. The still do not get as much mileage as a diesel if you are doing long journeys.

[@uludak8468]

phev combine all negatives in one car. home charging required, slow DC, poor fuel economy on highway, least practical, cost as much as full BEV

[@CL-nj3zs]

Dont knock it til you try it. I love my Honda Clarity. Of course home charging is required same as EV. It takes 2 hours to fully charge the Clarity from empty. Free BTW bc i have solar. I get about 50 miles per charge. Highway is about the same as my 2010 Prius if I don't charge it or 65mpg if I charge it before road trip. 100% of my local driving is electric only. Only time I fill up is for road trips. Dont need to wait for rechargjng. As for cost, a decent used Clarity cost about 20-25k. A brand new Rav4 prime is 20k more.

[@codincoman9019]

​​​​@@CL-nj3zsnot very smart to say you charge it for free - like the photovoltaic panels and the necessary inverters don't have a cost and a depreciation. Or comparing the cost of a used PHEV with the MRSP of a new PHEV etc. Plus all the (BEV style) inconveniences mentioned in the first comment of this thread, caused by stupidly carrying a big additional weight (vs. the far smaller additional weight of a self-charging hybrid battery). Btw, comparing your Clarity mpg with that of a Prius on long trips is dumb, Prius wins by a lot, there are reviewers' measurements of that.

[@PamenterDoug]

My 2021 Niro PHEV is awesome! Truly the best of both worlds. No it is not a race car but the dual clutch transmission with sport mode is efficient and fun to drive. It has driver’s seat memory is power adjustable. Plus the front seats are heated and ventilated and full leather seats all around. The car is easy to get in and out of both front and rear seats, and easy to park and drive around the city, very solid on the highway, with lots of space in the back, plus roof racks and cross bars. I like the regular sunroof (not pano), and the understated styling helps this very cool car blend in. I added on a block heater for winter and rain guards for summer. The regular tinted windows are perfect. The sixteen inch wheels give a better ride and fuel economy than the larger wheels. The intelligent cruise control is my favourite feature. The dual zone AC is great and I like having buttons to push. The dual digital instrument panels give a ton of programmable information and again… blend in. Not like other cars that have an iPad stuck on the dash… I could go on, but you get the picture.

[@jimmyyang-t4w]

that`s the answer in US. In china we got much advancd plug in hybrids cars. the new byd dm5.0 hybrid cars uses lower gas than the toyota hev pries &corolla.and it offers much stronger performance. if you have a charger at home,buy the bigger battier one. often has a 100-200KM ev range which can easily solve you city trip

[@carlodeguzman683]

I didn't know there was phev with dc fast chargers (lvl 3). What phev brands have those?

[@carlbillingsley2060]

The Mitsubishi outlander PHEV can charge on L3, it’s silly for a secondary engine but it’s there

[@boost331]

PHEV to me is just a giant PITA. I don't mind putting gas in an ICE vehicle. I dont mind charging and EV. I sure as heck dont want to deal with doing both in order to to come close to the rated efficiency numbers. In which case a regular hybrid that requires nothing more than filling up with gas is the best choice in my book. Things like the Camry, Prius, and even new Civic can get 50mpg (even more in real world tests) with ease all without the hassle of plugging in and filling up.

[@justinbecker4772]

I view it more like being able to own 2 cars at once. Most days, I don't drive more than 25 miles. I'd rarely use the gas engine and basically have an EV. When I need to travel long distances, I get most of the efficiency of a regular hybrid, plus the ability to get a few extra EV miles when I stop.

[@boost331]

@@justinbecker4772 My solution to that is to just own 2 cars at once. Well 5 actually. 3 for me. 2 for my wife.... And a motorcycle. Options are great.

[@justinbecker4772]

@@boost331 I'd agree, but some of us don't have space for that.

[@PGHGEOLOGIST]

For most of my driving, I use electricity charged at home, saving about 30% over gas. When on a trip, I run in hybrid mode and get 50 mpg. In today's world, PHEVs are a good solution. Perhaps in ten years, when I get my next car, perhaps the charging infrastructure will make all electric practical for me, but for now, I think PHEV is the way to go.

[@stephen0406]

OH Lord thank you I thought I was the only one that thought PHEVs doesn't make sense. Hybrids are already the heaviest cars and now add in the weight of a full tank of gas while on a small EV motor? And if that doesn't cut into your fuel, then a full EV would have been better anyways. Not to mention having to do both maintenance of ICE and electric battery, PHEVs need to be attended for plug-ins, while still having to do traditional oil changes? And how long until that savings recoup? That just doesn't make sense.

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

GLE 450e is great you can get around 70 miles in EV mode

[@parasarorain]

What about Ford Escape PHEV?

[@allan2914]

No BMW mentioned. Well time to go have some fun with 330e

[@AbrahamYunis]

Music was way too loud I could barely hear the guy talk

[@antonizvekov1]

The plugin cars are much heavier than the regular car, and when you're out of "juice" their gas mileage is terrible.

[@PGHGEOLOGIST]

That simply isn't true. My PHEV drives great, gets over 30 miles on a charge and when in hybrid mode gets over 50 mpg.

[@chadhaire1711]

@@PGHGEOLOGIST Guess you didn't learn math is school. Using EV 50% of the time it will take 250,000 miles for the system to pay for itself, 500,000 if EV is used 25%. Then plan on replacing the battery at another $4K. Let us know how that works in 10 years.

[@PGHGEOLOGIST]

@@chadhaire1711 Your math is pretty close to mine. We probably differ in cost of gas and the amount of EV usage, so yes, it will take a long time for the added cost of the PHEV over an HEV Niro to pay for itself. If we assume that they both get about the same 50 MPG in hybrid mode (which, at least in my experience, they do), and you assume 14,000 mi. traveled per year, gasoline costs $3.78 per gallon (current average gas price in PA), electricity cost 1/3 less than gas when using electric mode (calculated empirically), and electricity is used 75% of the time, then the cost savings over just gasoline is $270 per year. The Niro PHEV costs $4000 more than the HEV so it would take 15 years to pay off the difference. That is 210,000 miles. Do I plan on keeping my car for 15 years? Probably not, but in addition to the cost savings by using electricity, my at home electricity is purchased from a company that generates electricity exclusively from wind and solar and sells it to me at a cost less than the other available suppliers using gas and coal. So, I'm helping to encourage the switch to renewable resources while saving a little bit of money for transportation.

[@chadhaire1711]

@@PGHGEOLOGIST If I win the lotto I will buy you a 800 horsepower Hellcat to replace that wimpy hybrid and see if you drive it

[@PGHGEOLOGIST]

@@chadhaire1711 I've had cars with powerful engines, never 800 HP though. A big engine is unnecessary. It seems like you just don't like the idea of a practical fuel-efficient car.

[@shawnsereal]

8.9 Kwh battery on Hyundai Ioniq cost $4.63 for a full charge and can only go 29 miles if driving under 50 mph. At 70 mph it only goes 24 miles. On the other hand, gas is at $3.99 per gallon and you can drive 57 miles. Do the math. Using gas is cheaper. This is California for you. This state has completely made PHEV a waste of money. Thanks PG&E😢

[@jhonnypusong6906]

I driven full hybrid for 8 years now. The new full hybrid I own has a 25-30miles range and have a better economy. New tech auto pilot cruise that can save you a lot of petrol. From 55mpg to 65mpg or even 70mpg. If use you use the auto cruise control in the highway. Engine and battery alternating power. If you control it or by you self of everything ( acceleration brakes speeds) And your foot is heavy. You can’t get a better mpg. You’re not a modern professional driver( old school driving)😁 I experienced that to my previous one( hybrid)55mpg down to 35mpg or 45mpg. ( harsh acceleration undesirable speed hooligans driving habits)😁 We want performance but in hybrid cars they have limits Not quickest or so speedy. But have enough speed and power to take into your journey. If rushing or not. Not suits for hooligans poor gangsta drivers. Loves sporty fast cars)😁 Top speed of a a hybrid from 85-145. It’s depend the size of the engine. We know the max speed limit in highways motorways is 70mph or 80 mph but not more than 100mph. Which is hybrid is in the right vehicle for both world safety ( cities and countrysides). Mine has a 135 top speed. 55-65 mpg But I was surprised sometimes in the highways driving 65-70mpg range of 520 miles. Never had plug in hybrid before. But conveniency practicality in my opinion full hybrid is better than plug in. If you run out of battery in highway on long distance drive. Is pointless. Not like the full hybrid. When the battery is low back to the engine then recharge: If you use the auto pilot cruise control. Much better. On and off. Engine and battery can rest and cool down( by alternating)What a genius engineering. I save a lot since im driving a full hybrid. Less maintenance and efficient From £180 month of petrol plus maintenance and yearly service of my previous petrol ICE car(2.5L) now £45-47 per month plus yearly service for my hybrid ( 2.0l) Most of all reliability or life span of modern hybrid is better than the normal ICE now( old school design turbo engines )😁

[@vevenaneathna]

put 30k miles on my $7,000 phev last year. got about 150mpg. saved 2k in gas lol. why would anyone in their right mind buy a full hybrid and catch all that deprecieation. my 7000$ phev is now worth $9000 :p

[@burnx45]

What type of vehicle? I'm in the USA.

[@vevenaneathna]

@@burnx45 2013 chevy volt

[@lazziebardakos2956]

My personal pick would be a range extender.

[@markshard]

suv hybrid at 42mpg. one trip was 68mpg and another was 52mpg. Hoping to get up to 45mpg avg. The PHEV version is $5,000. 33 miles/charge and 35mpg. Possibly next car will be phev but we've had two hybrids and both are performing quite well.

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

The mercedes benz GLE450e gives you around 70+ miles full EV mode

[@markshard]

@@Fr4nkSanchezstarting at $70,000??? PASS. hybrid was only $38,000.

[@Riley_1955]

@@markshard Totally agree .... My 2023 Corolla Hybrid LE AWD cost $29,000 OTD ..... And gets fantastic MPG.

[@markshard]

@@Riley_1955 Yup. There are some 20 year old corolla's out there running just fine. Good purchase.

[@deplorablechump8758]

For an average consumer who doesn’t do off-road and can have a Level 2 charger at home, Tesla M3 or MY is the best choice and cheaper than many hybrid or PHEV vehicles after tax rebates and other local and state incentives.

[@codincoman9019]

@@deplorablechump8758 Why does a deplorable chump think that his feelings are weighting more than the statistics/data/financial calculations (that clearly show that the SCH=Self-Charging Hybrids are the best of both worlds, having the best reliability and the lowest TCO=Total Cost of Ownership vs. the unreliable, high TCO, polluting, dangerous, impractical etc. BEV?).

[@ac.4106]

$700/year over 10 years is $7000, still cheaper than ev which isn't usually $10000 more than gasoline.

[@cabottaxi]

My diesel BMW X1 gets 51mpg and doing only 5000 miles a year I can't see the benefits of EVs , PHEVs etc.

[@KealeyOnCars]

Put Nick in more videos!

[@stephenwinter8892]

geetings from southern Ontario Canada and i agree with you phev and a ev both need level 2 charge and most apartments dont have this feature but hybrids are easier to get a hold of depending upon the manufacturer my sister lives in Vancouver and she is enjoying her mitsubishi outlander phev and gets 60 kms on a charge

[@codincoman9019]

Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is one of the best in the category (one of my friends has one), but the calculation vs. my Lexus hybrid went to my advantage.

[@johnnaylor9668]

I am always gobsmacked at the cost of petrol in America. A cheap price in northern England today is £2.49 / litre There are 3.785 litres in 1 US gallon = £9.42 / US Gallon or $12.49 / US Gallon At $3.60 per US gallon I would not bother with any Hybryd at all, more like a classic Ford Falcon with a 5.0 litre V8 & a 4 Barrell Holly !

[@jasony8480]

US fuel prices are highly manipulated to stay as low as possible. At this point the US population is almost completely oblivious to the great gift they have in bonkers low prices. You can tell because they will practically riot at 5$ a gallon.

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

We live in a Canadian province that is a major oil producer. We also are a huge hydro producing province. Gas here currently costs over $6.00 per gallon (down from +$7.00 a year ago). We went with a Prius Prime. It costs us 1/4 to operate. Is very comfortable. And it's fast. As The World around us is falling apart, a quick escape may be necessary.

[@vevenaneathna]

if you want to actually save money, buy an older chevy volt. i paid 7k for mine, cash, which means my insurance is 21$/month. I upgraded the battery and added 200w of solar which gives me 50-55miles of EV only range each way. with me and my partner sharing the car, we saved $2k in gas this first year. the car will be free in another 18months lol. you cant say that about any phev on the market. if youre curious about my modifications, you can find a post i made in the gm-volt forums under the 1st gen volt modifications section. dont kid yourself youre saving money with a new phev. once you factor in the opportunity cost of buying a used, perfectly reliable chevy volt, youre wasting a ton of money for a car with about half the battery and half the range. womp womp. if you are the type of person that needs to buy a new car, i get it. i just cant burn money like that. thats why i bought an older chevy volt. zero range degradation. gm accidently built the perfect car 15 years ago and everyone ignored it because they were too dumb and thought it was a knockoff prius

[@chadhaire1711]

Here is an idea..try getting a real job that pays more goober

[@vevenaneathna]

@@chadhaire1711 guessing i make more than you. plus i net what i gross. no car note

[@Cazador60140]

In the last years the curb weight of most SUV's has increased by 1.5 , the average being 4,000 lbs , all with 24 in tires in order to support the extra mass and their EV version. For gurls and boyz who want to know about crs , a internal combstion engine can weigh from 400 to 700 lbs on the other hand an EV battery pack arry can weigh up to 1,200 lbs . The extra weight of these eco friendly vehicules will be measured as the ruts deepen on highways . What does this means in the manufacturing processes of tomorrows EVs More steel out of the mills, more aluminium, plastic , rubber , not counting the draw on hydro grid as some EV batteries today pack 10 times as much power as an average household and let us not forgetting the not so eco friendly battery recycling process

[@davenone7312]

If I had it to do over I would have bought my Hyundai Santa Fe Hybrid in the PHEV version. It was about $5,000 more and I would perhaps never made up that difference in gas but I would be getting so much better mileage and far less gas station stops!

[@chadhaire1711]

try $10,000 more and 260,000 miles before it pays for itself

[@Bondgamer02]

No mention of rav phev gives it an obvious downvote.

[@audio_tron]

Or get a used Chevy Volt, if you can plug in at home.

[@firstbigbarney]

None of these can do over 100mpge so they are all sorely lacking... BEV is the way to go especially with the lower priced vehicles...Now available...

[@rockyluc]

cut the cost of gas but the car itself cost like 15-20k more, so, are you really "save" anything

[@TheColonelJJ]

I'm driving my Chevy Volt, no, not Bolt...Volt... until GM makes the same powertrain in an HHR! LOL I'm a die-hard PHEV if it's done right. Daym, my Volt accelerates!! My life is 6 miles from my house. I buy gas once a year when the car tells me I have to. Duh! I love my Volt!!!

[@TheEelnoraa]

Cali PGE, $0.55-$0.6/kWh. EV is more expansive than ICE to operate by 50%

[@0ttoman]

SCE is $0.37/kwh and gas is over $4… plus many public L2 chargers are $0.25/kwh. I even see free ones at some malls…

[@TheEelnoraa]

@@0ttoman that is delivery rate, right? There is another component, generation rate. Together it comes $0.5. Also don't forget, there is a at least 15% charge lost with L2 charging. L1 is even higher at 21%. Mall and public L2 are different story. Even I get free charging at office. But the fact is, counting on always getting free charging, especially L2 is not realistic. It just take too long. Most people with EV and a home, charge at home

[@codincoman9019]

@@TheEelnoraa, true. Plus the additional depreciation coming from a bigger price than for an equivalent ICE or HEV, the necessary investment in a carport (it's better not to risk burning your house/garage), the more expensive tyres (due to the bigger weight of the BEV), insurance etc. And if you get some minor accident denting the battery support, your BEV gets totaled or very expensive repair and that is a loss (money + time) etc.

[@TheFrog-cs3ot]

I'll make it easy for you, don't bother with a PHEV if you can't charge for less than 20 cents per kWh.

[@lonelyp1]

I would say hybrids are unnecessary because there is no need to carry around an ICE everywhere you go. Just get full electric and pay attention. Now if you are trying to electrify someone who really shouldn't go electric, for instance an apartment dweller with no home charging ability. In such case I would just stay gas.

[@doyleelad1113]

Full EV or hybrid. Why the hell would I still want to maintain an ICE engine doing oil changes and filling up with expensive fuel? Having more components that can wear out compared to an ICE only or EV. When I soon make the change from ICE, it's a no-brainer to go full EV.

[@CryptoMed]

Go for PHEV. It deserves

[@KyaloSengani-ou2hl]

Why not fit a hybrid with 70kwh battery

[@WilliamLaverick-wo1nb]

I get on average for all miles driven 67 mpg and it’s a two litre diesel. On recent trips into town I got 76mpg. I never have to think about range anxiety.

[@Dihorse371]

World's most sold PHEV is BYD's Song DMi. It's a 4.7M SUV selling around USD22000 in China. Unfortunately it isn't available in USA.

[@WaterDR-tw8re]

Don't get me started. We have an EV and a PHEV. My over night electric rate is $0.03/KW. It's all about fit for use. EV are incredibly simple. PHEVs are very complicated.

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

That's a fantastic rate. We could charge our Prime for around 50 cents and drive close to 100Km (62.5 ((summer)) miles), at 3 cents kwh. How does your utility generate the power. Here, we were paying .1325kwh until the first of August when it rose by 7%. That makes a full charge around $1.93. Still, a litre of regular gas here is (just went down to), $1.77 ($6.6375 per gallon). We can't drive anywhere near 100Km on one litre. At least, almost all of our electricity is produced without any fossil fuel(s). Our 2024 Prime is not a lot more complicated than the regular Prius. Essentially, they are the same, except, the PHEV has a larger battery. Both models are more complex than a typical ICE, granted. But, have a boo under the bonnet of any modern ICE and you won't survey much simplicity. We owned two Toyota HEV's (for 16 years), and in all that time there were no issues centered around "complexity". As for EV's; I'm sure they share the same level of technical "depth" regards the electronic support systems. A friend has had their, 2 year old, Iconic 5 in the shop since last December, waiting for the dealer to figure-out what's wrong with it. EV's lack an ICE cooling system, starter, transmission, alternator, exhaust pipes, and most belts. But, they have just as much non mechanical gear as our PHEV, all of it complicated. EV's also usually have some sort of cooling /heating required for the battery and some also need coolant for the motors. Our new car does not have an alternator, there are no belts or starting motor and, it has a truly bullet-proof eCVT gearbox. After 7,617Km (4,760.62 miles), we have burned less than two tanks of fuel. When I parked it today, the Trip OD displayed 70.4Km, but with a SOC still at 38%. I'm sure the car would have reached 100+Km in EV Mode.

[@carfanatic112]

where's the CRV hybrid and Rav4 hybrid, also the Rav4 prime plug-in hybrid? Surely toyota and honda make better hybrids and ICE vehicles than all other car brands combined. Chrylser pacifica is a mechanical nightmare to own

[@ivans.935]

Sadly not a single word about reliability and cost of repair.

[@georgelewis8831]

FUD! Teslas are 35k after the instant rebate and can be plugged at superchargers!

[@chadhaire1711]

superchargers are just as expensive as gas dummy and Tesla resale is shit

[@cinargey6873]

You missed the most crucial cost. Your video is void. Servicing cost is the most important. You rarely change break pads on hybrid. Your gear box is not stressed at all. Because hybrid cars don't put stress on motor, much less wear and tear. Hybrid cars' motors last twice as long as normal cars. You save at least $400 a year on servicing and repairs over 10 year. You dive the same hybrid car for 20 years easily while normal car lasts in 10.

[@chadhaire1711]

hybrid motoes do NOT last as long dummy---you will find that out the hard way

[@maxmarrero-sb5ej]

I prefer hybrid . Gas still everywhere. Is technically an ev but powered by a gas engine.

[@electricandlspower]

Ev is the way to go if u can plug in at home. Period

[@ALMX5DP]

I think it's much more nuanced than that.

[@CL-nj3zs]

Nah. Phev is the way to go. Wtf wants to wait an hour to recharge while on road trips? Just 10 minutes to gas up to add 400-600 mile range. I would never take an ev on road trips.

[@codincoman9019]

@@CL-nj3zs, yes, PHEV > BEV, clearly But HEV > PHEV also clearly - I wrote the details in other comments. That's why Toyota is winning and Tesla is going down.

[@irishmick6709]

Life is never this simple. We all need to suit ourselves and but what is needed. I do my own research on anything that costs more than a few hundred dollars. I almost wish I needed a new vehicle because I have learned so much about BEV's, Hybrids, and PHEV's over the years.Fortunately, I own two perfectly good Pickups that I have always maintained well.

[@rncondie]

We bought two Rav 4 Prime. It costs $1.40 to charge with a range of 40 miles. Basically $1.40 per gallon of gas assuming 40 mpg which is about what we get when operating as a hybrid. This is a no brainer. Toyota knows how to make a hybrid and a 10 year 150,000 warranty in the battery. We also got the $7,500 federal tax credit.

[@teacherdavid--eatplaylearn5013]

Starting 3:45 are the CAR RECOMMENDATIONS 🚗 👍 Jesus loves everyone 😇 ❤️

[@mikexia7711]

Ehhh, Old outdated plug in hybrid in US. 100~120miles for PHEV In China now.

[@chadhaire1711]

and they make a great campfire weenie roast

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

You'd buy a Chinese car ? Everything off-loaded in NA from there is really landfill, right off the boat. Garbage. They can't even make screwdrivers that don't FAIL after one use. So you'll trust yourself and, family (and others), at 70mph in a Chinese made car. Fuck. NO

[@R.E.A.L.I.T.Y]

Neither’s better than pure EV Fires per 100,000 miles Hybrid = 3200 ICE = 2500 EV = 25

[@kckfen]

I am planning to get a PHEV. This PHEV i am eying has 28.94 kWh LFP battery size and support DC fast charge. In theory, even just using the battery alone it can reach 110km/h with a 100km range without even the need to start the 1.5L engine as this car hybrid system works in both parallel and serial nature. Perfect for my daily commute, and when i need to travel a bit further than 100km, i just put it in HEV mode. That means almost every week, i dont have to start the engine of my PHEV car. And only occasionally need to start the engine maybe once in two months or more when i need to do long distant journey. My question is will that have any negative effect on my engine since i dont fire up the engine that regularly. Will my drivering characteristics spoiled the engine? Thanks for the input in advance.

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

We bought 2024 Prius Prime ten months ago. It has a 13.6kwh Traction Battery. So, less than half of your proposed PHEV. In summer, we can get 100km on one charge. The car has 13,000+km on the OD and we have used less than four tanks of gas. In Hybrid Mode, we see close to 60mpg. Do not worry about any lack of "exercise" of the engine. We don't.

[@NicholasBasciano]

RAV 4 all day! 42 miles plus EV range

[@chadhaire1711]

It will take you 260,000 for that PHEV to pay for itself in gas savings....then you will spend $4K replacing the battery--you got suckered.

[@jentleryegobenciong6516]

With the price point of each vehicle type, it will mostly need to run the whole lifespan of the car to compensate the additional purchase cost through fuel savings. So overall all type of EV will give 0 net ownership savings against ICE. With that, ICE still wins for the less drama.

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

We live in a major oil producing Canadian province. Don't ask how/why, but regular gas here is (down !), to just over $6.15 a gallon at present. Our 2024 Prime has over 13,000km (over 8,125 m), on it now. We are still on our only fourth tank of gas. We are saving hundreds on fuel and will continue to for at least the next decade. The up-front cost for the plug-in edition was eliminated by the government(s), rebates. Our plug-in takes us 100km (62.5 m), on a single charge for around $1.75. Take another look.

[@weroliera]

Easy hybrid. I prefer full electric over phev

[@Lightning77305]

A normal car is right for me.

[@yd7014]

Bus or bike 👍🏻

[@urnotaman4444]

Camry hybrid is more reliable than the Prius

[@MrAndrew520]

Gazolin car best !

[@juanantoniopulido1645]

In Europe, a diesel is better

[@szamitogep215]

hybrid for sure !!!

[@Flying-Tampon]

With Solar panels and a 15kW battery your savings are even more. PS: a dead flat Prius Prime charged fully in but 3 hrs off a 3 pin wall plug @ 10amps 240v. Just saying my experience. Your quote may relate to 110v?

[@mikecr4916]

Plugging in ANYWHERE will cost more before long, and Trump will lower fuel costs.

[@fr9714]

Tesla. That’s the only thing viable today. They created the EV industry and their cars have everything from recognizable iconic looks, price, range, charging, software and features, brand value, resale value and tco and value for money. Nothing is even close. And one would be foolish to consider a hybrid or hydrogen or gas or such b

[@richardloh-qs2nx]

well done video

[@ajlacostewm]

A plug-in hybrid would work better than an EV if they make one of the motor a generator, so while the tires are moving, it charges the battery using the gas engine on long trips between charging stations and by the time you reach the charging station you'd have done most of the charging done.

[@wlyanderson]

Have ya looked at the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. ICE turns a generator to power the wheels in most cases. It can also charge the battery while you drive

[@manuelferreira4622]

None, ice all the way!