Why Hybrids Are Beating EVs In The U.S.

[@bryanpascual3543]

I drive a 2012 Camry hybrid. It’s been driven hard for food delivery and has gone 30,000 miles in under 2 years. Not a single problem. Oil changes every 5k miles.

[@kylereese4822]

Google the Tesla Model S that just past the 2 million km mark...

[@User.Joshua]

@@kylereese4822 does it have the same battery and motors?

[@remoteirelandtours]

@@kylereese4822That’s one Tesla! There are literally millions of hybrid Toyotas driving around the world at the moment with huge mileage on them. No comparison

[@tails300]

@@kylereese4822you mean the one that had it’s battery replaced three times and went through 13 electric motor drive units? 😂.

[@vincentchuvc]

​@kylereese4822 u got owned.

[@magsteel9891]

Toyota didn't "miss out" on anything. They are selling hybrids and ice cars like crazy.

[@kevinfernandez9999]

So many ev only fan boys mocking toyota few years ago, where are they now?

[@3184Patrick]

And Telsa knocked them off the best selling global car in 2023... Model Y out sold Rav 4 globally.

[@chrmnxpnoy]

Yet they're still trying to push out their Mirai hydrogen cars 😂

[@3184Patrick]

@@chrmnxpnoy Toyota knows they make money selling parts to repair their cars. if everyone goes EV they will sell less parts and make less money. They want to push tech that breaks down. thats why they fight EV.

[@ILoveCostcoPizza]

Just doesn't make sense for Toyota to drastically change. The EV charging Network is still not there and Toyota sells globally. I own a Tesla but would buy a Toyota EV over anything but Toyota has to make vehicles that accepted world wide and most countries don't have the infrastructure to support EV's. Also, Toyota would have to make massive changes to their factories to start building EV's in mass. People forgot that massive corporations like Toyota, Mcdonald's, Coca-Cola, etc. are global brands that needs cater the global market, not just the Western Market.

[@GaryHolt-t3s]

Had a gen. 2 Prius. Best car I ever owned in over 50 years of driving experience. Ordered a Rav4 XSE Prime in Nov. 2023; arrived 1st week of Jan. 2024. This car is amazing. Works perfect for where I live in a rural area of Oregon. Driving in EV mode, I can make 3 trips into town and back just on the battery alone. But when I need longer commutes, I have no range anxiety as this car fully charged and fully fueled has over 600 mile range. Amazing.

[@jonathanhiner7486]

You still have to go to the gas station and put gas in the car, get oil changes, fluid flushes, service brakes, etc... all of the inconveniences of ICE cars that you don't have with EV's. Is your 600 mile range nice for a gas car? Sure, if you need that much in a given day, but how often do you drive 600 miles in a day? Also, how often do you start your day with a full tank? The average American drives 37 miles per day so this range is only beneficial when comparing to another ICE car that carries the same ICE inconveniences (gas, oil, brakes, maintenance, etc). Range anxiety is less relevant in an EV than ICE because every day you wake up to a fully charged vehicle that has more than enough range to get you through the day. Imagine if you had to go to the cell phone store every 3 days when your phone ran out of battery, and Apple came out with a new model that you can charge at home after 1 full days of use. Would your rather stick with the "old way" and go to the store every 3 days because it lasts longer before you have to replace your charge, or get the new Apple model that you can charge at home while you sleep every night?

[@MohammedJobori]

@@jonathanhiner7486servicing toyota with oil , brakes , fluids takes less than charging you EV car. LOL

[@jonathanhiner7486]

@@MohammedJobori false.. I own a Lexus and a Tesla. My Tesla takes 3 seconds to plug in when I pull into the garage. My Lexus takes 20 minutes to drive to the gas station, fill up, and return home every week. It also takes about half of a day at least anytime I bring the Lexus into the dealer for service. I purchased my Tesla 1 year ago now (after selling my 2020 Toyota Tacoma TRD Sport) and it has not been in for service ever. How many EV's have you owned?

[@IconicGT350]

​@@jonathanhiner7486maintenance is only needed once a year. The total time it takes to maintain the car for the whole year is less than the time it takes to complete a single charge on BEV to full. Not to mention BEVs put a heavy toll on the road infrastructure because they are pigs.

[@publicfreakout1018]

​​@@jonathanhiner7486 You said It you have a garage, i live in Spain, old appartement with no garage in the building and i make the Minimum wage, and the infrastructure IS far behind any west european country, the only option that make sense for a lot people like me IS a hybrid

[@chrisfrancis8446]

Have a Hybrid for 14 years and have 205k miles on it. My next car will most likely be a hybrid, it just makes sense

[@overhansable]

Nah, low IQ NPC move, that's all.

[@andresd6193]

It makes sense for you because you keep a car that long, most people don't keep a car that long so they will never recoup the extra money they shell out for a hybrid with gas savings, it takes 3 to 5 years to recoup that cost, most people don't keep a car more than 5 years. So if they are lucky they will break out even.

[@alanjm1234]

​@@andresd6193Toyota hybrids don't cost much more than the normal versions. At least when I was shopping a couple of years ago the difference was only a couple of thousand. And you could pretty much rely on getting that back on your resale value.

[@andresd6193]

@@alanjm1234 so it is a net zero gain at best. If you buy the hybrid you get more on resale that if you get the non hybrid one, so what's the point? Hybrids are silly, no matter how you look at them. You are getting the worst of both worlds, they don't really help the environment and they don't really save you money on gas, so what is the point of them?🤔

[@skierpage]

It burns through tons of fossil fuel in operation that turn into 3 times as many tons of CO2. A plug-in car significantly reduces those emissions. Make better choices, people!

[@TejasShinde1992]

Calling a Mustang Mach-E “acclaimed” is an overstatement.

[@HawaiianKong]

It was a parts-bin car that needed a brand name because they had no confidence it would sell well on its own.

[@MSDGroup-ez6zk]

The western has never cared about climate changes and Horrey ExxonMobil will hit a new world record again for its net profit while 99% of people around the world have to work 24 hours a day, 365 days a week to feed that fat cat on ExxonMobil. Congratulation to Americans who elects Democrat party.

[@GuyonthePhone]

It is the most thoroughly ridiculous vehicle produced in my lifetime-conceptually worse than the Pontiac Aztek.

[@HH-le1vi]

​@@GuyonthePhonethe Aztec was actually a very useful vehicle.

[@Anon1mous]

There are so many of them sitting on dealer lots it’s ridiculous. They’re practically giving them away for free at this point.

[@tonytripp1]

I just got my first Hybrid and I am totally impressed. It is amazing and the best choice for most Americans. People just don't have the ability to own an EV. It's not just price or infrastructure, but housing that determines what car is driven. I have a townhouse and have no ability to have a charger. In addition, my commute can be unpredictable with accidents and traffic. The hybrid gives me the fuel economy I need without the worry or stress of needing to "charge" my car. I can drive hundreds of miles on a single tank and fill up in minutes when I need to refuel. I know many Tesla owners who say that the "not needing maintenance" line is a scam. ALL cars need some kind of Maintenance. The dirty little secret of evs is that they burn through tires and breaks especially if you commute. The tire shops say they love EV's because their tires need to be changed every 12-18 months or so. Again, I love my Hybrid and I suggest you consider one before getting an EV. It just makes more sense.

[@doubleclutchonline5811]

EV's aren't for everyone. But if you can charge at home, at work or while you're running errands, it's better than owning a gas car.

[@OTPulse]

Hybrid are a terrible idea. Get the worst of both. Continuously needing maintenance and an expensive dying battery. With an EV the battery replacement is paid for by the savings from ICE maintenance.

[@borndeformed88]

EVs do not burn through tyres and brakes* more often. Where tf did you get that crap from? Their brakes* last longer due to regenerative braking. Man, stop with the propaganda.

[@OTPulse]

@borndeformed88 compared to vehicles in the same size EVs tend to be 15% to 20% heavier, so they wear tyres roughly that much faster as well. It's barely an issue but the Anti-EV crowd need to exaggerate everything to make a point. If roles were reversed and ICE was the new technology they'd endlessly harp on about how ICE cars run out of fuel climbing steep hills, and probably mock having to leave the house to go to random locations to get fuel.

[@100madmic]

my family wouldn't even let us by a full EV

[@nicholas6789]

Hybrid sales are higher partially because some model lines/trims are now hybrid only. The Toyota Sienna is only available as a hybrid. The upcoming Camry will also only be available as a hybrid. Basically, in some cases, buyers only have the option of buying a hybrid and nothing else.

[@jr1885]

I came here to say this. Also big sales players like the Accord and Lexus RX. Those are majority hybrid now. Of course hybrid sales will surge lol.

[@rbesfe]

good

[@dom3225]

And hybrid are more fuel efficient anyway I’ll take a toyota any day

[@smileandlaughs]

That's because there are more demands for them. If they wanted a gas only car there's still plenty of options. Camry's sale has been slowing down comparing to the SUV counterpart like the RAV4 which is available in all options. As a Tesla owner I see the benefit hybrid such as the availability of gas stations vs Tesla super chargers when I need it and not needing to wait 20 minutes to charge up.

[@JDMSwervo2001]

And people still want them. If they didn’t want the hybrid then they won’t buy it. The new Camry will most likely be a sales king for Toyota

[@Muricans1776]

Their CEO was more than right about bridging with Hybrids. The charging infrastructure in the US is embarrassing .

[@PavolKosik-b3u]

86% of charging is made at home. Most EVs will never even visit charging station most of their lifetime.

[@silo3com]

@@Muricans1776 hybrid vehicles are more than likely the ideal solution. No bridging to pure EV needed. As is the range on some plugins is sufficient for nearly 100% of the market. In fact it is simply nomenclature that is problematic. A hybrid can be called an EV with a gas range extender

[@diggindude1]

@@silo3com the longest range currently on a plug in hybrid, is less than 50 miles. That’s stated range, so real world is probably 40 max. I drove hybrids including a plug in, for more than 10 years, and 260,000+ miles. I owned high mpg diesel cars as well, and I can honestly say, an EV is better than any of those. I’m not buying another fossil fuel vehicle.

[@paranoidhumanoid]

Prius Prime and RAV4 Prime both offer 45 miles on pure electric for daily short range commute and seamlessly switches to hybrid ICE when the battery runs dry with total combined 500mi range. You can plug it in at home and it'll be full by the time you get up for work the next day. It's the smartest way over going full electric.

[@peter65zzfdfh]

Can they make me one that does pure electric for that range and saves having to put in the complex hybrid drive train and extra engine? That'd do me 99.99% of the time. I can hire a car for the one weekend every 2 years I need more. Here the hybrids cost about the same as the EVs it's crazy. Toyota don't even sell a plug in hybrid here and the Rav4 non plug in here costs about the same as an equivalent EV and more than many EVs. And that's without ANY government incentives or tax concessions for the comparison EV (which don't exist here except for much more expensive EVs)

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

Plugging in for the night is best with BEVs, not hybrids.

[@wjrasmussen666]

And the millions of people who live in apartments that can't support that? Go to the recharging stations and you have to wait in line for up to an hour to get a chance to recharge. The infrastructure isn't here today to support all ev.

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

@@wjrasmussen666 Infrastructure not being built is because we don't central planning, only the free market

[@malcolmabram2957]

EVs are not as environmentally friendly as the media might lead us to believe, even that significant electricity comes from fossil fuel power stations. However, one area where they definitely benefit is cleaner air in cities. Hybrids are the answer for that.

[@KillroyX99]

I think the big mistake is to assume that one technology will take over the whole auto industry. We are going to see a diverse landscape of gas cars, hybrids, plug-in, hybrids, and EV’s.

[@anydaynow01]

Gasp, a rational comment!

[@ReevansElectro]

Once you drive an EV (especially a Tesla) you will never drive an ICE vehicle again.

[@HawaiianKong]

@ReevansElectro I’ve driven two EVs. I still rather drive my ICE 4Runner and M3.

[@KillroyX99]

I agree, I like the responsiveness of EVs. I come from a gas car and motorcycle racing background.

[@megadeth8592]

@@ReevansElectrothe dumbest comment on this whole video

[@alansnyder8448]

My wife drives a Chevy Volt, a plug-in hybrid. It is I think the best choice right now. She gets 50 miles on the battery and that is all she needs to get the kids to school, shop, and get home on a weekday. And on the weekend, it can go an unlimited range without needing to stop anywhere to charge up. Plug-in hybrids are the BEST of both worlds. Not the WORST as implied in this story.

[@mariohernandezsosa3857]

That's 100% true! My wife has a Niro Plug-in with an electric range of 26 miles. That's enough for her daily commute to drop our kid in school and go to work. The only time we usually fuel is in long trips. The range is awesome and sometimes we don't even fuel for like 2 months!

[@bmw803]

Got a 2015 VOLT in 2020. We also have a BOLT EUV. My wife won't drive the BOLT if she can't get home on 1 charge due to the CRAP CHARGING SYSTEM. Apps, maps, worry if chargers even work or available. A friend of ours tried our VOLT, and a few months later went and bought a 2014. He plugs at work. Pour gas for long trips. It's the best option for now.

[@Molishious]

I agree. I have a RAV4 Prime and it feels like very good from both worlds. Driving electric most of the time is fun every time I get in the car. On long trips I drive hybrid, efficiently, and I don’t worry about plugging in. I have the maintenance of an ICE car so that’s the trade off. Kind of wonder if my engine won’t last longer as it almost only runs on the freeway and doesn’t run at all 90 % of the time.

[@TszHoNgan]

​@Molishious but the Toyota dealership is greedy beyond msrp:((

[@donswier]

Yep 👍. i3 REx owner here. 120 miles on cheap home charging + 2 cylinder gas engine to keep battery charged on long trips. Absolutely BEST of both worlds. We save $2,500 each year on gasoline, and added only $600 to our annual electric bill. Toyota PRIME has the right formula for today.

[@humblecourageous3919]

We bought a used 2017 Chevy Volt in 2020. (30,000 miles). We have a charger in our garage and we have never charged outside of the garage. We rarely buy gas. When we were planning a longer trip I filled up the tank. My whole driving life I write down every gas purchase/price/gallons. It had been 3 months since I had bought gas. We have had solar for 22 years and though we only have a 3.5 KW solar system, our electric bill is in the negative. We really like this car.

[@davik9003]

Prius has been kicking ass since the second gen came out, sounds to me like the general public is just now realizing what amazing vehicle they are.

[@danielzhang1916]

they should have brought the new one out years ago, the old version was too dated and they waited too long

[@GaryHolt-t3s]

Loved my gen. 2 Prius. Best car I had ever owned. Great mpg; great reliability; easy to maintain. In the 9 years of ownership the only part replaced was one of the headlights failed 7 years into ownership. And the dealership installed a new bulb for free and thanked me for my business.

[@MSDGroup-ez6zk]

The western has never cared about climate changes and Horrey ExxonMobil will hit a new world record again for its net profit while 99% of people around the world have to work 24 hours a day, 365 days a week to feed that fat cat on ExxonMobil. Congratulation to Americans who elects Democrat party.

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

kicking booty in what way? The prior 4 year sales numbers in the US were 36k, 33k, 59k, and 44k. Those aren't smash success numbers. It's less than the amount of Mustangs Ford sells. The ID.4 has only been out a few years and it outsells the Prius by a decent margin.

[@BobbieGWhiz]

Then why have their sales dropped year over year?

[@RafaelUnplugged]

As a driver of a 2010 Prius, currently on an xB - the 2024 Prius is a huge step up! Can't wait to get one lol

[@flagmichael]

We liked our 2010 Prius until the year it seemed to become magnetized. First, a driver flinched from a car turning in front of him and sideswiped our Prius. Within a few months a deer ran out of the woods and into the driver's door. A couple months after that it was parked in a supermarket lot when a young woman drove her Pathfinder into the lot. According to the witness (a doctor) she was doing okay, looking for a parking spot when she drifted right, coming against our rear fender. Then the vehicle went full throttle, turning our car about 90 degrees. The witness was able to break the passenger window and turn off the ignition; the driver was still seizing when the ambulance arrived. It didn't make the news, but if our car were not in the way - handicapped parking nearest the store - the Pathpuppy would have rocketed into the entrance where Girl Scouts were selling cookies. It would probably have been the most horrible accident in living memory in Flagstaff. That doctor was a true hero! BTW - our daughter recently bought a 2022 Prius. She is completely satisfied, except for the Blind Pedestrian warning sound.

[@haywardkong1213]

Yeah I like the 2010 Prius too just got as a gift since it had bad rear wheel bearings and needed new tires at 99k miles also will need a new battery at 40% at this point.... but if you still have it please get the EGR system cleaned in order to avoid the headgasket issue that happens a lot on 3rd gen Priuses ... Also have a 2005 Scion tC 180K miles and original owner and 2014 Subaru Outback 132K miles now and original owner ... will keep the Outback as a family trip car mostly... but at least driven at. least once a week locally...

[@danielrowe5413]

@@haywardkong1213 Curious, what happens to the 3rd gen Prius EGR valves/ system to warrant a cleaning interval? I ask because my dad has a 3rd gen prius and had to replace the engine at 230k miles. He's still driving it, original everything else. My older sister has his old 2009 Prius and it has almost 300k miles on it now, only thing replaced has been the catalytic converter due to theft. Prius are tough cars.

[@rightangletriangle3188]

Love my 2019 Prius Prime, charge to go to work for the short commute, only needs to fill up the 10-gallon gas tank about once per month. I drive from San Jose to San Diego in one tank without filling, a truly convenient car.

[@vueport99]

One thing on PHEV, under regular daily use, I only have to fill up the tank once every 3 months. Oil change once a year isn't a big deal compared to having to wait 3 hours to charge the car and forget about the pain of long trips on long weekends when everyone is clogging the charging stations!

[@MangoSkinner]

I’m all for plug in hybrids but don’t try to make stuff up. Current electric vehicles don’t take hours to charge up. Level 2 chargers (most home chargers) can charge a car fast. The level 3 chargers, like the Tesla ones you see on the road, can charge an electric vehicle in 30-40 minutes.

[@sarmadsohail361]

plus you can take it on longer journeys without having to worry about the charge especially in remote areas.

[@mouahmong]

@@MangoSkinnerdo you own an EV? I have a model 3 + two ICE vehicles. Sure EVs are nice and convenient for in town use but anytime I have multiple errands to run, I go with one of my ICE vehicles. FYI, level two charging at home typically takes 5-8 hours @ 32 miles per hour. The supercharging network is clutch but sitting for 30-40 minutes to charge up is still a PITA when I’m short on time. I usually drive 100 miles per day during the weekday and 200 miles+ per day on the weekends.

[@MangoSkinner]

@@mouahmong if you’re driving 100 miles in one day that hole charging won’t take 4-8 hours then will it? So doesn’t make sense why you would put that. The average American drives 40 miles or less a day and with a level 2 home charger you would be charged in under 2 hours. Are there some instances where people drive more than that? Yes. Is it a pretty small number of Americans and the same group no one is telling they should get an ev as their only vehicle? Yes. Also that charging up time can be done while running errands. Whether that’s shopping, mailing things or what have you. Anecdotally I drove my model 3 range plus 140 miles, stopped at a mall to get lunch and shop and after that was all done my car was fully charged and off I went. Phev, plug in hybrid chargers are good options for those Americans who travel far more. Or if someone has range anxiety.

[@kerrydaniels8460]

​@MangoSkinner I thought most home chargers are level one. You typically have to pay a ton extra to get it installed and extra for Level 2.

[@Fitforacting]

0:59 I blame a few factors for this is I worked for 3 years in the Industry 1. Software issues 2. Service issues 3. Markups at non Tesla locations 4. Employees not knowing benefits enough to sell more 5. So many newer models coming out that people are and were waiting (Cybertruck, Hyundai Ioniq 5 N, etc) 6. Charging infrastructure for non tesla can be sketchy and plain out not work 7. People can’t qualify for higher monthly payments even if it might end up being less when you factor in maintenance and gas saving 8. They don’t own homes to charge at or live in an apartment 9. Not all companies get the Federal $7500 back so some are waiting for manufacturing in the US. By 2026, Hyundai will make their cars in GA 10. Some EV companies choose not to sell a lot since they are losing money with each sale 11. Dealerships markups for ALL cars

[@tocreatee5736]

hyundai KIA EVs cost $60,000 to replace battery.

[@Fitforacting]

@@tocreatee5736 that too

[@CoasterGaming]

Ban markups

[@Fitforacting]

@@CoasterGaming I agree. My cousin works in a dealership. They make 25% of the markup

[@MSDGroup-ez6zk]

The western has never cared about climate changes and Horrey ExxonMobil will hit a new world record again for its net profit while 99% of people around the world have to work 24 hours a day, 365 days a week to feed that fat cat on ExxonMobil. Congratulation to Americans who elects Democrat party.

[@letsgocapsbeatpens]

I live in an Apartment with no chargers. I have nothing against EV's, but I'm not going to drive around and wait at a charging station. Also, I like to take long road trips, EV's would add A LOT more time for driving.

[@f-lw8km]

All you really need is a block heater plug/ regular outlet with extension cord. I'm sure a million+ dollar building will have outlets somewhere in the parkade. Refuel while you sleep

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

You're a good example of a demographic who would be a very poor fit for current EVs. The more home charging someone has available, and the less they road trip like a trucker, the more an EV makes sense for them. What makes me chuckle is single family home suburbanites that drive 50 mile commutes every day and road trip a long weekend once every 3 years acting like EVs just wouldn't work for them. The vast majority of people with range anxiety that buy an EV learn that their range anxiety was unfounded, an experience I've heard over and over.

[@CleverCheetah]

@@f-lw8kmIf a Landlord will even allow that. Also I wouldn't feel comfortable using my own charging out in public. Apartments are pretty dangerous theres always shady people around.

[@CleverCheetah]

@@thatoneotherotherguyMost people don't own a home compared to those that do. EVs are pointless and will be for a very long time until they replace gas stations with EV stations and then some. Not to mention many have MULTIPLE cars for one household. That would take ages to charge and a lot of fkin electricity. EVs even for households arent good.

[@neoanderson7]

In your current circumstance, no, it wouldn't make sense getting an all out EV. The non plug in hybrid would work just fine if not a full out ICE. However, later down the road, when your lifestyle changes, maybe you'll be able to get something else that requires less maintenance...

[@SchmCycles]

Sept. 2022 my wife and I rented a Tesla for a trip from Chicago to Orlando and back. One of the things I learned is that, with a Tesla at least, we could make the trip in slightly more car time than with one of our regular hybrids. The adjustment was centering all activities like potty and food stops in combination with a charging session since the charging session took 5x as long and needed to be done about every 210 miles as opposed to every 240 for gas stops (in our vehicles). My takeaway from this is that charging infrastructure along highways shouldn't be thought of as something that is a standalone place like a gas station but rather an add-on to places that already want customers to stop there like restaurants and roadside attractions and should also be common at rest areas. It also doesn't seem practical for suburban areas let alone urban areas to try to meet a significant part of the charging demand with public chargers so finding a way for a large portion of the public to charge the vehicles where they live will be a limiting factor. As for me, if I buy a new vehicle in the next year or two, it will be a plug-in hybrid that can travel in EV mode for a minimum of 40 miles. I also signed a contract this morning to put an EV charger in my garage.

[@Noah_E]

Out of curiosity, what vehicles have you owned that could only go 240 miles of highway driving. None of my dailies have had a range of under 400 highway miles. My F350 has a 29-gallon tank good for 640, which I've used/verified several times on trips from central VA to Ohio, AL, and GA.

[@SchmCycles]

@@Noah_E 2010 Prius and 2017 Rav4 Hybrid. The Rav4 gets 31 mpg with an 11 gallon tank and the prius has a 10 gallon tank and gets about 45 mpg. Technically both could go much more than 240 miles but then the Tesla can technically go more than 210 miles. I was speaking of how far I would go in the real world factoring in things like how close I would be willing to get to empty and where the gas stations with the best prices are. When fast charging, the Tesla doesn't want to go much above 80% full and tries to time the stop so the battery is between 15% and 20% and it could go a little over 200 miles on that 65% to 70% of the full capacity. Tesla vehicles are always talking to their network of fast chargers so they will avoid stops where all the chargers are in use and will know if the vehicle needs to charge above 80% to comfortably make it to the next planned charging stop. I do have to give them props for having a well maintained and planned out network of DC fast chargers. Not a whole lot of other car makers manufacture cars that can make good use of DC fast chargers and, while the the network is adequate, it is not as well maintained and you don't know in advance if there will be a wait for one before arriving at the chargers plus you might find vehicles that can only charge at a level 2 rate connected to the one fast charger at a charging station leaving several level 2 chargers unused.

[@etaesu83]

I wonder what % of the public has a garage to put a charger in and if they have money to do so in the first place….i really don’t know the numbers on that

[@falconwaver]

@@Noah_E Prickup trucks and brodozers are outliers with big tanks.

[@danielzhang1916]

yeah infrastructure is also a big issue, there aren't enough stations and locations, even after adding them at Walmart and gas stations, which causes people to hesitate about buying EV, on top of the cost issue, so they choose to buy hybrids instead, we are years behind in building out what is necessary

[@seikocitizenwatches]

I’ve just bought a flawlessly running 2012 Toyota Prius Hybrid with 230K miles on its original engine and battery for mere $3000 cash. The beautiful Prius Hybrid gets 45-50 miles per gallon and will last for another 20 years without new car payments for me.

[@Fishpizza1212]

If you do plan to keep it for 20 years, then plan on replacing the CVT and Battery pack. These both wear out eventually and will be the biggest expenses in repairs. The rest of the car, including the engine, will last for 20 years with proper maintenance. The Battery replacement you can do yourself, but the Battery will cost at least $3000. The CVT I recommend getting done professionally and do not get a used one off an old Prius because it will also have 200k+ miles on it. A fresh CVT will last 200k+ miles over 20 years.

[@StanTrnik]

You can expect battery failure any time soon, my went out last year, 2500€.

[@mooreshady]

EV is a scam. Hybrids are the future

[@michaelanders6161]

Good video. The reason for evs in the first place remains environmental concern and the shifting economics of oil being a finite resource that is getting more expensive to extract over time. Hybrids remain fundamentally petroleum-fueled vehicles, except more complex to build than standard ice vehicles. The promise of evs has clearly gotten a bit ahead of itself, in terms of the current produced products for sale not yet meeting the lofty hype we've all heard from advocates. Inevitably, sweeping government proclaimations of a full ev market takeover was guaranteed to trigger backlash. ...and man has it ever. It is now a political flashpoint, where political ideology influences personal gut level feels about bevs more than most people are willing to admit. None of this changes the fact that bev sales continue to grow and continue to claw more market share away from traditional ice vehicles. Every month brings more anouncements of technolgy advances in ev development, including continuing reductions in cost to produce. There is no indication that ice vehicles will get ANY cheaper to produce in the future. The opposite is likely. For ice vehicles, the writing is on the wall. Personally, I am a reservation holder for the aptera, a 90% charge-infrastructure- independant solar electric 2 seater. It is by far the most energy efficient hwy capable road vehicle ever, starting well under $30k, and pledged to be diy-friendly repairable and upgradable, not a family car, but I can't think of a better commuter car than this, or for retirees, as I will be in a few more years.

[@leroy2576]

Toyota is playing the long game with their Hybrid cars and Solid state battery research. Everyone else is chasing trends hoping to find a pot of gold at the end. I think Toyota has the right idea and is focused on the customer.

[@douglaswatt1582]

If you believe that Toyota is within a hundred miles of any kind of commercially available solid-state battery I have some excellent swampland for you

[@rkan2]

If you cannot compete with probably the only car manufacturer which is making profit from EVs, e.g. Tesla, you'll probably just go bankrupt. Hence it is very difficult to change.

[@jamisonz3365]

​@@rkan2Tesla can't even sell 1/7 of Toyota does globally. And Tesla sales figures are already falling apart in Q1 2024 while they don't sell a lot in the first place. It's not going anywhere. EVs are a hoax.

[@WAN2TREE4]

@@rkan2 LOL I bet that when Toyota gets into the EV market your beloved Tesla market share and value will shrink rapidly.

[@rkan2]

@@WAN2TREE4 I am waiting for the moment... I am sure it will happen when they figure out how to do batteries for cars in Japan. It is not like they are void of knowledge, after all Tesla started with Panasonic cells. However, if you never make the investment like Tesla and others have, you shouldn't expect to get ahead. You'll just be left to buy from others which is the current problem with most traditional automakers. The profit goes away that way unless you are really really clever.

[@francosepulveda8438]

The hybrid will offer you the best of both worlds, I think. The stress level concerning the "range anxiety crap" goes to zero. I live from home with a 53-mile electric range (Prius Prime 2023) on battery (EV mode), and I know that with a full gas tank, I have another 433 miles standing by in case of complete discharge by the battery (EV/HV mode). I usually charge the battery at 85%, but if I expect a longer trip the next day, I will charge it in full. I do have around 3200 watts of extra juice in my home solar panels for this task. It's perfect for me since I live on an island, and if we get hit by a hurricane, our gas and electric infrastructure will go back to the beginning of the 19th century for months, literally. I don't recommend anybody to buy a specific vehicle, but what I do recommend is to do your research based on your situation. In my case, I am more than happy with my red supersonic Prius, plus the vehicle looks like the "sporty version" of a Power Ranger's mobile.

[@ElMistroFeroz]

Wrong. The worst of both worlds. Not as efficient as an EV. Not as powerful as an EV or a Gas car. More moving parts than both, meaning more wear and tear. More to maintain than both. Why someone would get a hybrid over a gas car or an EV nowadays is just proof how powerful mainstream propaganda is. Don't get me wrong, Toyota quality is amazingly good, as good as TDK/Maxell make really good VHS tapes.

[@francosepulveda8438]

@@ElMistroFeroz Works for me and I am happy. 55 miles down the highway and be able to take care of my parents (both elders). I am not hauling trailers with it and as long I am able to go to the drugstore and take care of basic stuff is all I need. The only problem I have is not having a spare tire and I am working on it. Not all the cases are the same.

[@alexasanchez5414]

Love my Toyota Corolla Hybrid - reliable, great on gas (fill up once a month for ~$30), and I never have to worry about plugging it in. Gas stations are everywhere, chargers not so much.

[@word42069]

Chargers are everywhere now and more are coming.. but doending on how much someone drives every day I still may recommend a hybrid. (for now)

[@williamkim5016]

Before I owned a Tesla, I didn’t realize how many supercharging stations are HIDDEN. Wherever you may be, the Tesla car tells you where the closest supercharging stations are and how to get there. People who don’t own Teslas are largely unaware of these hidden supercharging stations.

[@bread8176]

I also have a hybrid corolla and love it. I bought it right when they hit the market because I wasn't happy with the EVs that were available. I was hoping to trade it in as soon as (non tesla) EV prices got more competitive, but they haven't.

[@rohanjosem]

i travel 200km or what americans would say 124 miles each day and yet my tesla still somehow managed to get me back home weird isn't it ? i also did a 900km road trip in a country with a grand total of 82ish superchargers (Australia) in my rwd standard range model 3 yet SOMEHOW I've never had range anxiety or have some issue finding a charger lmao ? in a country like America where what there's at least 22k superchargers alone not including the ridiculous amount of other chargers like electrify America and what not I REALLY do not see how this is an issue. is this like an old person joke or something ?

[@cybertrk]

Every garage is a charger. Do you have a gas station at home?

[@adampowell2144]

The Toyota executives are the only ones that earned their millions of dollars by seeing this pull back in electric vehicles ahead of time.

[@alexangleton4082]

It’s easy to see that electricity isn’t free. It costs money. Here in PA with electricity at 12 cents per kW and gas at $3.50. A hybrid at 40mpg is the same price. The executives at Toyota realize the oil industry is integral to the world economy and will not disappear. The real near zero emission and cheap energy is hydrogen, but it comes with 10 times the infrastructure issues than electric.

[@CrossRoadsOfTime]

not the only ones I saw this coming once I saw how slow they where to build out the charging networks I knew this would be the result of that.

[@diggindude1]

toyota is planning an ALL ev future... they're blowing smoke up your butt

[@PavolKosik-b3u]

What pullback in sales are talking about? Sales of EVs are booming worldwide and growing exponentially. One in 5 cars worlwide will be already NEV and 55% in China. So Toyota pushed voluntarily themselves out of 55% of the biggest car market in world. Dumb as hell.

[@JC-PSC]

The Toyota CEO still makes a third what one of the Big 3 Auto CEOs makes. It shows you how insanely overpaid American execs are.

[@RayLabs]

Simple for me as I live in Rural Montana where there are no Charging Stations and Electricity is very expensive. I would go through a full battery charge just to get to a Town. Also look at the cost to Insure an EV, when I looked at a Tesla a few years ago the price was over 2x that of my Prius. love my 2017 Prius.

[@nagasako7]

Also EVs batteries die in winter. It kills battery internals no just charge. Musk Rat doesn't like talking about northern states.

[@youtewbJC]

Totally agree with this, I am in a similar situation, but I live in an apartment. I wanted to get a Bolt or a Leaf but I wouldn't be able to charge it where I live. There's a Tesla charging station near me so I looked into Tesla and the insurance was through the roof 2.5x more than the Toyota Hybrid I happily settled with.

[@kylereese4822]

Those insurance costs are due to EV haters around the world... eg, Tesla Germany have had more than 1 arson attack and cars are being set on fire intentionally..... then there is KZbin hate channels, eg, trying to claim a 2015 diesel was an EV in the London airport fire and so on.... Mainstream media getting paid 100`s of millions to report misinformation.

[@glennshoemake4200]

Meanwhile here in Spain electricity costs have gone negative for the first time in history. Renewable energy has started to pay for itself as Europe has been adopting more clean energy.

[@aware2action]

Why not install a non grid-tie solar, and charge EV for free at home, without any intereference from utility companies. A diy system should cost a fraction of a professional install, and you don't have to worry much about code compliance either🤔. Also EVs still have similarity with ICE, except for the zero maintenance of Engine/motor(atleast upto 150K miles). All you do is to change brake pads/flush brake fluid, top off coolant. The transmission is fixed gear, so no need for frequent ATF either. Insurance is expensive, and tire changes cost more though.Just some 💭

[@dohc1067]

From Atlanta to Chicago in a rented Toyota Sienna with AWD. 40 on the highway, 33 in the city, and 35 on average. No plug-in charging or a building for cover is needed despite the temperature. It's not the biggest or most powerful, but well balanced.

[@bunmeng007]

Toyota Hybrid now has better resell value. Track record of reliability for 10-15 years and affordable to replace. The US consumers enjoy long road trip across states, so a hybrid is more convenient for them. Europe is a different market.

[@cohengamertv6548]

Also hybrids would work better in the cold winters of Canada and some of the states

[@PavolKosik-b3u]

Come on. Chinese EVs now come with 700km theoretical range and can charge to 80% in 11 minutes. Dont tell us that you will not want to stop for 10 minutes every 600km to take a rest and drink coffee? All these fake stories about people driving thousands of kilometers at once, without even 10 minutes stop to relax. Its insane.

[@scottkolaya2110]

PHEVs make sense for people without stable housing. For example, my son, who is in college, first year, charging on campus was free. Next year is was so expensive it was the equivalent of $7.50/gal, so he bought gas. The next year he was renting a house and charged on 120v without issue and didn't use any gas that year. The next year he's in an apartment without the ability to charge and is mostly using gas again.

[@PWCDN]

PHEV don't make sense, they're like 30% more expensive than a standard Hybrid lol If you can't charge everyday in your example, you're losing on money and the environment. Using a PHEV as a hybrid day-to-day is pure loss, you're paying $20k on average extra for essentially the same tech as a hybrid. All your previous year's savings is out the door until you find another home with a charger, your car will depreciate at the same rate regardless if you charged or not. PHEV makes sense if you travel less than 40 miles a day, consistently live in a house with a charger and only need gas for road trips. Also EV's are totally pointless because for every EV, you can have something like 5 PHEV's and like 10 hybrids with the battery material, which is the manufacturing bottle-neck the industry is facing for years to come. You buying EV's is actually bad for the environment because you've essentially removed hybrids off the road at a 10:1 ratio by being an EV owner. 10 hybrids save more on emissions than 1 EV. Simple math, but you know, the "ethical" upper class people think they're doing their part with their small world thinking, they're cleaning their conscience, that's all they're really doing but holier than thou I guess. Hybrids is the now if we're seriously talking about saving emissions.

[@richardprice5978]

@@PWCDN without the PHEV hybrid is emissions cheaters mode/device, diesel gate 2.0 anyone or 1970-90's~ ( also have a 350SBC-auto-etc 80's k1500 and yes stock EPA-tune-ect was a lie's/joke-etc ) time-blanket/cheese-cheating-etc 😉 also yes i own a 60's 440/hemi car and like diesels but im calling out the bs of stop-start and or no-plug-operate option as being-called full-hybrid models also like some BEV models but lifestyle/$$ is the reason why im not a current owner yet

[@jinsu0504]

​@@PWCDNdont phevs self charge with gas engines too? They dont always have to be charged ....jt self charges when youre on the freeway

[@JRL244]

@@jinsu0504That is partially true. A PHEV will run like a regular hybrid when the battery is depleted. However, the amount of charge is limited as the onboard generator is not designed to fully charge the size of a PHEV’s battery, so you will only charge the battery to a point. That method is much more expensive than just plugging it in. For instance, if a PHEV has a 14kWh battery, only 1 or 2 kWh is available in hybrid-only mode. You must use the charger to get the full 14kWh.

[@jinsu0504]

@@JRL244 same goes for regular hybrids buddy loll it doesnt charge all the way....i think you have wrong information...ive seen taxi cards phev with 200k miles on it and owners without a single charge during the ownership

[@anotheran]

Toyota made hybrid reliable and it’s been on sale for 10 years for ppl to know battery replacement isn’t overly expensive. Tesla has made ev expensive to fix and all manufacturers have expensive battery replacements. So they also tank in resale.

[@spence2294]

A Prius plug in hybrid has a battery size of only 4 kWh vs a model 3 with a size of 60-80. You have to compare apples to apples dude. Of course it’s going to cost more because the battery is bigger

[@NPAMike]

its because within 10yrs they don't even make that battery anymore and is not compatible with the new battery tech at that time.

[@anotheran]

​@@spence2294 for most ppl it's a question of being able to budget $8-20k to replace vs small increments for gas and 3k for a hybrid battery or they can still use the car as a gas only, the choice is easy for most Americans

[@anotheran]

@@NPAMike Toyota gives a 10 year or 150k mile warranty. So Toyota will make batteries. Another reason to go Toyota hybrid.

[@spence2294]

@@anotheranwell you can factor in years of saving on fuel. It costs like $10 to charge an ev vs filling an ice is $40-60 at least. Over 10 years I’d imagine that difference in battery cost is going to equalize

[@narindersoi]

I drive a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and I drive it everyday close to 75 kilometers on battery and then it turns to the hybrid system. Mitsu gave me 10-years warranty on battery and powertrain. I am really happy.

[@chapman1569]

Our 6 year old Mitsubishi Outlander has performed well, 110 000. I keep gaz receipts and calculated all through the years, we averaged 5,5 litres/km per year. Of course in winter we burn more gaz. We have the battery optimization every 25 000 km, it makes a difference. But it is inevitable, there is some battery degradation. When we need another battery how much will it cost? I dont know. Can the suv still perform even if the battery is less active? I dont know. If the battery replacement cost are too much, we might get a regular hybrid next time instead of the PHEV version. But we like very much PHEV's

[@emikomina]

Toyota called this years ago, and they are being proven right again

[@maximusasauluk7359]

Yes that's why the Tesla Model Y, a fully electric brand, dethroned any Toyota model by number of sales last year... because hybrids are the future 🤡

[@crm114.]

Toyota are failing badly in their main market, China. Hydrids will fade in the coming decade.

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

​@@maximusasauluk7359they're not but toyota was better at predicting the market seeing the ev sales crash. For the same kwh, you can put 10 hybrids out or 1 ev, Those 10 plug in hybrid with close to 50 miles of ev range almost never need refueling and you reduce carbon emission by 10x or 1000% using stuff we have now and alot less resources. Toyota is still building out battery capacity with partners but they're using it to build 10x more plug in hybrids and as more capacity comes online which they're building aggressively, they'll switch over more and more over EVs until they're all electric

[@thehistorytheorist]

@@maximusasauluk7359let’s wait until the government stop providing tax credits. It’s not an equal fighting ground

[@maximusasauluk7359]

@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br and yet...it didn't predict the initial EV market boom, making it among top brands the last one to start getting into the market. Being last is not good for any company trying to profit in capitalism. Also, people talk about this topic as if EV technology bas reached it's peak or something... not even in the slightest. In the coming years (sooner rather than later) sodium and solid state batteries are coming to mainstream. Car manufacturers are switching to platforms designed for EVs (yes, most current EV sellers use the same processes and factories that make ICE cars and then basically just shove a battery inside, not very efficient). The market in battery and EV magnets recycling is expected to grow. Don't forget new competition, there's already planned EV models that are on par or cheaper than ICE cars, like the Renault 5 or Dacia Spring. Etc. All these measures will reduce prices and make it more environmentally friendly. The transition has only just begun baby. I find it amusing people say it's failed already when the percentage of EV ownership hasn't even began to take off in most places, despite the industry expecting that it absolutely will.

[@z94720]

I drove from Sterling Hights, MI to GM-Tonawanda (thru Canada) and back on a single tank. And still had some left for about another 100 miles! Toyota Camry Hybrid 2020

[@appliedengineering4001]

I've been preaching this for years now. Plug-in hybrids are the way to go. You get the best of both worlds. I own a Chevy Volt and and I can get 40 miles of pure electric range and all I have to do to charge it is plug it in to a standard 120V outlet to fully charge it overnight. The battery is much smaller and lighter as well. 40 miles might not seem like a lot, but it fulfill all of my daily driving needs. The ICE engine rarely ever kicks in. Plus, if I need to go on a long trip. It runs just like a ordinary gas car.

[@heyaisdabomb]

It's double the maintenance costs. Prius batteries are $10,000 to $17,000 to replace, while the ICE engines are another $6000 to replace. Both will wear out in time.

[@verynick]

RAV4 Prime over here! Let’s go….places!

[@dave3657]

Totally agree.

[@mikeydude750]

@@heyaisdabomb Toyota knows how to make engines. You keep up with oil changes they /will/ make 300k miles no problem. Batteries on the plug-in hybrids are much smaller and cheaper than full-EV batteries.

[@triton62674]

@@heyaisdabomb if ICE engine doesn't get used as much the maintenance costs wouldn't double

[@paulg9484]

I like plug-in-hybrids done in a right way. They cover most of the commute in EV and has gas when needed and efficiently.

[@peter65zzfdfh]

Honestly, for some of us a battery the size of a plug in hybrid and NO engine would be great if that saved some $$$. BEVs really have too much range for many of us, that we don't need to pay for and lug around. The Volt was decently done as a plug in hybrid, it at least was always driven by the electric motor and used the engine as a generator, both thus were able to operate where they were most efficient. The Prius is a bit of an overly complex nightmare of maintenance.

[@jamesamber6009]

Hybrids are the sweet spot. No range issues, great mpg and somwhere in the middle when it comes to pricing. Also Toyota.... so reliable!

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

Not for emissions and efficiency

[@Barskor1]

Hybrids are a sick joke if the morons had just put in a generator to feed the electrical system rather than keeping 100 year old tech like Ludites you could have better range and a lighter car.

[@jacobpetersen5662]

@@michalandrejmolnar3715 I don't care!

[@jacobpetersen5662]

@alexanderkennedy2969 Non plug-in hybrids, according to consumer reports, are the MOST reliable. Least reliable, is plug-in hybrids.

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

@@jacobpetersen5662 Do you care about the climate? EVs are better for that and because of efficiency we need less renewables

[@terpysonic8360]

I drove from Chicago to Austin and back in a 2021 standard range model 3 (loaner). It honestly was about equivalent to the ICE car I had a year prior (2022 corolla hatchback) as far as time traveling. Was stopping at a super charger about every 2 hours which worked out well. Car plans out via route planner where the next stop will be to charge at. We had time to stretch our legs, use the restroom, and eat all while the car was charging. So less stops for rest areas. Honestly camp mode was a nice feature to have too. Posted up at a rest area 10 miles from the next super charger and slept with camp mode. Its not the safest sleeping in a car but it made the night more comfortable without needing to get a costly hotel. The Toyota dealerships near me rarely have plug in hybrids available. The one near me has a Rav 4 prime listed for over 50k. Its just a tough sell because I can get a brand new dual motor model 3 for a decent amount less. Or a 2021+ one with full self drive for around 37k. I live in a dense city so charging isn't an issue for me I can see how it can be for some. But having traveled across the US in a reasonable amount of time, I can say the Model 3 is the best option for anyone getting into EV's.

[@AlexanderSuleymanovFX]

No one talks about insurance cost (plus tires). I compared Model Y to CR-V hybrid, and it turned out that riding CR-V will cost $1000 less (if gas prices will be around 4.50) in a span of 2 years.

[@haywardkong1213]

That's the problem... with new cars now they are going for more low profile tires which is just bad... and the only reason is because of looks... now the the Prius 23/24 models use low profile tires and are charge to get a hold of now.... I really dislike going low profile tires and it's all for the looks and it's all going because of sales trends..

[@chiplangowski3298]

The insurance on our EVs is no more expensive than the insurance our ICE cars. People who get huge insurance quotes for EVs must have horrible driving records.

[@AlexanderSuleymanovFX]

@@chiplangowski3298 I'm with Geico. I just took a quote for adding a new Tesla Model Y and a new CR-V. I have a good driving record.Tesla's quote was $1250 for 6 months and CR-V's - $516.

[@chiplangowski3298]

@@AlexanderSuleymanovFX - I have State Farm. My Tesla Model Y is $115 per month ($690 for 6 months). Since the Tesla is a $50k car and the CR-V is a $35k car, the pricing is similar.

[@ajberge]

Funny, insurance on my Tesla is less than my used Subaru (USAA is great car insurance though).

[@FullSpectrumWarrior]

They are not wrong most people are not ready for Evs or are priced out if they are. It’s just facts.

[@AkshayKumar-vg2pi]

not only price , charging is a big issue

[@MrDuncl]

Look at model available with different power trains like the Kia Niro and within a couple of years used EVs and Hybrids are the same price.

[@frankcheung99]

I have been driving my Prius Prime for 4 years, I charge it daily at home, and only need to pump gasoline once every 2 to 3 months! Oil change once every 10,000 miles or once per year. (I do it the same time as the yearly inspection) I am planning to buy another plug-in Hybrid.

[@mrgerbeck]

Exactly. In 5 years of ownerships that like 5 oil changes. No big deal.

[@jsnagra1able]

Toyota made the right decision, they didn’t fall for the hype. I’m an EV owner saying that.

[@Anomize23]

Every brand almost jumped to electric like their product was the new apple phone waiting to be bought up. Or as if people were gonna lineup for it by the thousands😂

[@CalvinHikes]

People will happily buy EVs when they are superior in every way to gas cars. There is still tremendous compromises EV owners must make. Not so for the hybrid.

[@ProJC]

What “tremendous” compromises? I live in Canada, and the only compromises I can think of are cold weather range and occasionally planning charging stops in remote areas (which are becoming increasingly rare). These aren’t ‘tremendous’ at all. A recent survey conducted by YouGov found that myths about EVs are holding back adoption. Most gas car drivers scored only 2/10 on a quiz about how electric cars actually work.

[@nyxline]

EV's Shill detected 😂😂😂

[@ProJC]

@@nyxlineand what are you then?

[@coryw.9086]

I owned my Tesla for nearly 3 years. I found far too many compromises with owning a EV and travelling. Was great for going to and from work. Switched over to a hybrid and found my perfect vehicle. I won’t own another EV.

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

Same with me except I owned 2 Hyundai EVs over 4 years.

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

EVs are however more energy efficient and therefore less of a burden on the grid and also less vulnerable to scalability of eFuels. Without eFuels working and being actually produced hybrids don't offer near zero emissions.

[@nyxline]

​@@michalandrejmolnar3715EV's Shill detected 😂😂😂

[@sheepyracing2774]

Petrol in America is the cheapest in the world . Makes complete sense . Try where I live . Paying $8 a gallon

[@easyroc75]

Europe ?

[@David.77]

Yup, the US barely taxes gasoline. Guess who wants to maintain such a low tax rate?

[@frankbaars1880]

@@easyroc75yes, in the Netherlands road taxes about 60-100USD per MONTH on top of 8 USD a gallon. Buyers tax on a new car about 5-10.000 USD for an avarage car. I mean

[@pjeverly]

In Denmark the car tax is %180. If you tried that in the US there would be a revolution.@@frankbaars1880

[@dlazo32696]

@@David.77Motorists.

[@HovsepG.]

Im a Chevrolet Volt Gen 2 owner and i was very much disappointed and curious why chevy decided to discontinue this awesome line up. Now i feel encouraged hearing general motors is planning to restart this model. Looking for the new models...

[@anydaynow01]

That PHEV study was done on mostly company cars where the drivers were also given corporate fuel cards. There are quite a few of us PHEV drivers at work, and not only do we not have to do nearly the amount of maintenance as a regular ICE or MHEV, (timing chains, iridium plugs, oil changes once a year if that) but the km we put on the range extender is nearly nothing since we plug in like a religion. Of the 110k km I have on my PHEV about only 10% of that is on the range extender, other personally owned PHEV drivers have a similar experience. They are literally the best of both worlds for homeowners or people who can charge at work with a reasonable commute.

[@andreasmeyer3593]

For personal use the phev seems like a no brainer to me, still some people got carried away with the TESLA propaganda and then learned the hard way that an electric car is not the way to go. The technology and infrastructure have not reached the right maturity level.

[@jakemroman]

It's crazy to me that people are pushing for BEVs when PHEVs are clearly a better use of everyone's time and resources.

[@PhantomWorks22]

Whatever gets us to an all-EV future. I have zero complaints as an EV owner. Once someone goes EV, they’ll never go back. More EV drivers means more pressure for charging infrastructure. We just need to get that ball rolling.

[@MSDGroup-ez6zk]

The western has never cared about climate changes and Horrey ExxonMobil will hit a new world record again for its net profit while 99% of people around the world have to work 24 hours a day, 365 days a week to feed that fat cat on ExxonMobil. Congratulation to Americans who elects Democrat party.

[@jamesgardner6499]

Have a Chrysler PHEV n love it. We get +45 mpg with my longer commute. Sometimes +60mpg.

[@THEALKYL]

Who would have thought that a Japanese company with almost 90 years of history would be able to make sound strategic decisions? Nobody actually interested in the industry is suprised by this. They are the largest automotive manufacturer in terms of units sold and also in terms of revenue for a few years within the last decade (usually them or Volkswagen). They are a truly global brand with a major foothold on ALL continents and with the corresponding diverse range of models (e.g. Tacoma for North America and Hilux Champ for South East Asia and Africa).

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

They are quickly losing market share in China because they went full anti-EV.

[@tedmoss]

How come Tesla has the safest and most popular car in every country in the world?

[@modeticklestv4601]

You miss the point of EV.

[@Barskor1]

Toyato the company that makes LESS net profit than Tesla and has been selling fewer cars every year for 5 years running.

[@mikelucas4247]

​@tedmoss I think only in your mind😂

[@ThomasChanKT]

One thing that is often overlooked is that for the amount of raw materials that makes up the battery of one EV (often 60 kwh+), you can manufacture batteries for a few dozen hybrids (self charging hybrids like Prius often have really small batteries, ~1 kwh). The net effect on reducing carbon emissions is probably higher on hybrid if you look from this angle. Especially if you think about how many harmful materials go into making a battery.

[@oompa02]

Currently own a 2024 Volvo S60 Recharge. Love the car and can get the best of both worlds from it. Electric when going to work and back as well as running errands in town. Gas when traveling out of town. Plus it's fast! Such a great car!

[@ALWH1314]

Well, lack of charging stations and the high price definitely discourage EV purchase. There is also the concern on battery safety and poor performance in cold weather. I live in LA where no cold weather issue, half of my neighbors drive EV and most of them leave the car out of garage and charge with a long extension cable. However, I don’t see any EV brands other than Tesla, MB, BMW, couple Porsche and Rivian, zero Korea, Ford, GM. I wish US let in Chinese EV since we allow comrade Vietnam to build VinFast in California why not Chinese? I would buy a BYD or NIO. I drove BYD Atto3 in Australia last month, very impressed.

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

That's the Trump China tariff living on

[@bullsmurf]

Biggest reason we bought a hybrid instead of an EV is the local Residential electricity price of $0.37 per Kilowatt vs $4.25 gas. Gas has fallen to $4.05 while PUC is considering raising electricity rates higher and CA is considering adding a special tax for EV's since they do not pay gas road taxes.

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

We opted for a 2024 Prius Prime because gas here is $6.75 a gallon and hydro is but .1325kwh. After 4,400 miles we have used less than 2 tanks of fuel. And, oh, the Prime cost over $20,000 less than an entry level EV here.

[@crxk20r59]

2:49 In 1999, the 2000 Honda Insight (which is the same year/model of car that I daily drive) was the first mass produced hybrid vehicle to be sold in the U.S. I believe it beat the Toyota Prius to the U.S. market by about 7 months. I drive approximately 440-500 miles a week on a bad hybrid battery & I still get almost 50 mpg. I paid $2,600 for it around 3 years ago. Only things I’ve changed (so far), is the A.C. compressor clutch, two tires, and the battery. Best $2,600 I’ve ever spent. 😎

[@Unmei_Ka]

6:34 "Wow, this is a really interesting video. Hold on... is this the street from the car chase in the original terminator?" XD

[@robevans5222]

For the ways in which most americans use their cars, I think the plug-in hybrid is optimal. Use it as an EV for the typical commuting / groceries / errands trips (which is how many of us use our cars most of the time), while not having to cope with the travel delays and disruptions needed for charging an EV during a long trip.

[@kidfreejones]

Absolutely agree. It's a bit more expensive, but it's a lot of vehicle in return. Especially if you use the combination and can charge at home. Pulling big miles out of a tank of gas is an amazing feeling, and not waiting in a cue to charge on a busted slow-ass charger means more time for TV at home. And resale is great, as a used buyer chases the same convenience even if the battery is a little tired.

[@walterwhite1]

No, they are not get a Tesla. You won’t regret it. See the problem with plug-in hybrids is you have two systems that usually fail so it’s gonna cost you twice as much money not to forget you still need oil changes. You still need transmission flushes head gaskets break, get a Tesla man I’m telling you, I was skeptical until I got one. My world is changed. They are awesome and I never have to do any maintenance so I save a ton of money.

[@flagmichael]

@@walterwhite1 Teslas are horribly overpriced. I see you have never owned a Prius hybrid. No transmission flushes; drain and fill occasionally. Reliability Tesla can not come close to matching, as well as more support. If we had a Tesla with a bad charging port (a common failure, and it is noticed when the battery is down) we would have to get it flat-bedded nearly 200 miles to the nearest authorized repair location. Then we would have to get a ride there when it was repaired, so we could pick it up. The car might or might not be able to get us to see our daughter 300 miles away; little in the way of chargers from here to there. We bought our current 2014 Prius for $14,000 four years old. A new Tesla model 3 is four times that. Or, you could try to buy a Tesla in Alabama, South Carolina, New Mexico, West Virginia, Kansas or Connecticut, where Tesla dealerships are forbidden.

[@IN-hw8it6]

Plugins are a scam due to slow charging speed! 😂

[@rodf9000]

@@flagmichaelyou can’t compare the cost of buying a 6 year old car 4 years ago to a new Tesla now! And you can buy Tesla’s online, there are no dealers anywhere.

[@chadmorris946]

Prices are extremely high, repair costs are insane, range isn't good enough and where are most people going to charge them? I live in Chicago and so many people live in older apartments that do not have access to a way to charge a car. I can't even use an extension cord to vacuum my car out let alone charge my car.

[@razorswc]

These are the reasons why I'm holding off on EVs. I want to wait until at least there's a breakthrough in batteries, and the cost of a good new EV is under $30000 without tax credits.

[@lorpall]

Live in Chicago: no charge at home, few miles per day commute, no repair cost whatsoever. Tesla Model Y gives you such a piece of mind, I really don’t understand what you’re taking about

[@chadmorris946]

@@lorpall Ok now drive to Columbus Ohio to visit parents? Now drive from Chicago to Tinley Park every day for work. The drive from Chicago to Columbus takes about 5.5hrs, 8 plus if you need to charge. No thanks.

[@hskrgrad]

@@razorswc I don't disagree on waiting on EV's. They are not ready for the mass market yet and until they come up with a reasonable cost to replace batteries they won't be there. But you will probably never see the day a "good" new EV costs under $30k.

[@juanmedinar20]

The Model Y is cheaper than a Hybrid Rav and CR-V 😂. What are you smoking?

[@bysshe51]

We have some of the highest EV adoption rates in the world here in the Netherlands. Our average trips are shorter. Our incomes high. Our willingness to pay for the environment high. And still… plug in hybrids are far better for practicality. Public charging on an EV costs as much per km as an efficient ICE car. Highway charging costs more. Chargers are often full here even though they’re on every street and it makes parking (temporarily) more convenient. Municipalities are resisting making EV charging at home in dense areas possible forcing people to expensive municipal chargers. Going full EV is still a niche. Not practical for a first car.

[@flemmingsorensen5470]

Same here in Denmark👍

[@NomenClature-o8s]

Thank you for a realistic view.

[@georgepelton5645]

Without a way to plug in at home, PHEVs would not be as good a choice as a regular hybrid. Even a long range EV would be better, with public DC charge session 1-2 times per week.

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

@@georgepelton5645 I consider PHEVs pointless, I would never choose one over a traditional hybrid or an EV. And if you don't have home charging available, a PHEV is completely and totally pointless.

[@Floridos]

@@georgepelton5645 Agreed, but additional to running costs the PHEV is often the cheapest model to purchase new (in stead of mild hybrid). Heavy CO2 taxes… Example: BMW X5 40i: €116.098,- BMW X5 50e: €99.922,- BMW X5M: €237.418,-

[@ASD-DAD]

Love my Tucson hybrid, 230hp and 33mpg.

[@brandonhoun]

I have a 2019 3rd row ICE Subaru Ascent 270HP Turbo 32 MPG.

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

I just traded in my 2022 Ioniq 5 EV for a 2024 Tucson hybrid. One of the reasons was it isn't cheaper to maintain. My Ioniq 5 EV needs a low conductivity coolant changed every 3rd year at a cost of $3,000.00. That's the equivalent of $1,000 per year; I've never spent even close to that on oil changes! Hybrids are better technology today.

[@dariemperez6833]

However, in the case of Tesla: "Battery coolant: Your Battery coolant does not need to be replaced for the life of your vehicle under most circumstances." Taken from their online owners manual.

[@word42069]

The mistake was Kia, not EVs.

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

@@dariemperez6833 Doesn't alter the fact that the 2022 Ioniq 5 EV's coolant must be replaced to maintain that warranty does it?

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

@@dariemperez6833 The Ioniq 5 isn't a boring Tesla design. What an irrelevant comment. It doesn't change the fact that low conductivity coolant must be changed and does cost $3,000.00

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

My follow up comments are being deleted. Who's the coward??

[@06Pine]

Hybrids don't leave you stranded when you run out of juice

[@Idiotsincarshere]

So you keep driving when they run out of fuel and battery?

[@MyUniversalUniversity]

800,000 people run out of gas every year!!! Run out of juice???

[@haywardkong1213]

That's just a bad statement...

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

EVs also don't leave you stranded if you use the Infotainment system or Google or iOS apps for cars.

[@circle11111]

Gasoline isn’t infinite

[@chewie94116]

How can you miss out on EV evolution when it is only 10% of all car sales? I have purchased 5 Toyota hybrids over the last 15 years and love them. No plans to change to pure EV

[@steinervision7643]

My Honda plug in hybrid gets up to 55 miles on a trickle charge , 45 mph on regular gas. I only gas up taking trips. I only charge maybe 3 night a week. After 3 years , I see no degradation in the battery . This Honda Clarity has been very efficient and comfortable . I think my next car will be an all electric Tesla, as I love the way electric cars accelerate and perform . For now , this is a great alternative .

[@B0Zeng]

Toyota‘s Power-Split hybrid is the most efficient hybrid system. General Motors has the Voltec system which is also very efficient, but gm needs to replace the old l2b ice.Maybe the GL8 Hev will make some changes.

[@Enrique-Garcia]

It's always surprised me that hybrids were completely overlooked as a stopgap solution to the vehicle/climate change problem. It boggles my mind that the concept hasn't crossed over to other vehicles like boats, cargo trucks, trains, etc. Especially cargo trucks, the single largest polluters on the roads, if all private drivers switched to EV overnight, we'd still have pollution problem thanks to semi-trucks.

[@Sacto1654]

Hence the reason for the Tesla Semi. Once the battery technology matures, something like the Tesla Semi could revolutionize trucking, especially the part about having plenty of power to go uphill and passing other trucks.

[@victorcapel2755]

There are quite a lot of hybrid cargo trucks on the European market, even trucks with solar panels on the roof and sides that charges the battery on the road are in development. It's estimated that it gives an extra 5000-10 000 km/year for a truck (depending on location, some places are way sunnier than others...). Electric and hybrid ferries are common in at least northern Europe these days, they've been around for years. I've been at construction sites with hybrid and E-machinery (excavators, dump trucks and compactors), and a friend of mine is currently on a large construction site with all e-machinery. It's not common yet, but absolutly doable. Scania has electric, autonomous dump trucks for mining operations (diesel fumes are a problem in underground mines ofc), as does Volvo. They run in swedish mines and have been doing so for a couple of years. Trains are already electric, diesel fueled trains arn't runnig on diesel you know. The diesel runs a generator that produces electricity, that in turns run the train. But yeah, things happening there as well, there are trains in Germany that runs on hydrogen. In general though, I think you have it right. Not only because of pollution, but for economics. The savings a normal person makes by switching to EV is nothing compared to what an operator that uses their fleet of vehicles for 8 or 10 hours a day, every day, makes. There's a reason that every single taxi nowdays is an EV, at least where I live.

[@IN-hw8it6]

Prius 5th generation...😂

[@Enrique-Garcia]

@@IN-hw8it6 what about it

[@peter65zzfdfh]

They weren't so much overlooked, as manufacturers like Tesla built vehicles that performed better, and cost them less to make so if they sold for more got them higher profits. Something like a Prius is both boring, and overly complex to make and maintain. Yes, it's a taxi work horse around the world, so far from overlooked. But people who didn't drive that much didn't want to pay more for something like that. Pretty sure there's hybrid trains, trucks etc. Maybe less so boats. There are EV boats. But most smaller boats are that simple and don't travel that much that a hybrid system would pay itself back. And they lack the ability, generally, to regenerate energy. Hybrid vehicles largely rely on braking to regenerate their batteries, which only really works in city traffic. They're great at boosting city mileage, but kind of useless at freeway range boosting.

[@KarimNavas]

I wasn't financial free until my 40’s and I’m still in my 40’s, bought my third house already, earn on a monthly through passive income, and got 4 out of 5 goals, just hope it encourages someone's that it doesn’t matter if you don’t have any of them right now, you can start TODAY regardless your age INVEST and change your future! Investing in the financial market is a grand choice I made.

[@EdEdwardsKonosa]

Hello, I’m 37 and I am not worth much yet , please help me out. Bought my first house last month and I can't seem to make any other smart investment.

[@EbelynkaFrattesi]

Since my aunty introduced me to Prof Chrissy Barymoer,I can't help but to thank God,I have made so much that I can't mention with his trading guidance!!!

[@slickfast]

I can personally dispute that maintaining a plug-in has “all of the bad sides of owning an ICE” because in reality my engine barely turns on. As a result the ICE barely gets used and requires almost no maintenance. That’s my personal experience.

[@edwardsolomon643]

For people living in a city apartment like me, the infrastructure is not there. It would be a hassle to add another stop at charging station between work and home; this is a major setback for buyers like me that wish to get an EV but its not a practical for the moment, even in California. I'll still be driving my beloved old Prius, practical, reliable and cheap all in one

[@chasx401]

Where was this 5 years ago. Everyone was talking EVs, but plug-in hybrids like Volts were denigrated. Now everyone is switching gears.

[@checkoutmyyoutubepage]

Because the comprises EVs had was too much for consumers to handle, like range anxiety.

[@Bremend]

There was optimism regarding the charging network being expanded. Other than Tesla, that hasn't come to fruition

[@danielzhang1916]

everyone thought we reached the tipping point, but people aren't willing to pay $20k more for EV, this is a cost issue

[@jonathanhiner7486]

@@Bremendand Tesla opened up their charging to all EV brands so how does this make sense?

[@jbar_85]

Like “magic”. It was a narrative against hybrids for “macho” big trucks. Which is still the narrative overall, including SUVs.

[@VKP604]

Toyota hybrid system utilizing planetary gears + electric motors therefore replacing typical CVTs makes itself even more reliable than non-hybrid cars simply because of its reduced number of parts

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

Not more reliable than an EV

[@flyingphoenix113]

​@@michalandrejmolnar3715, actually, more reliable because the load is spread more evenly between the two powertrains. Despite the complexity, Toyota's hybrids beat out every pure-EV automaker for reliability.

[@scott4825]

@@michalandrejmolnar3715 EVs have the range issue right now, and there really sin't one that I am confident will go 200,000+ miles without needing a $20,000 battery.

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

@@flyingphoenix113 That's because Toyotas generally are more reliable than cars from other manufacturers

[@bn9161]

@@michalandrejmolnar3715 EVs aren't reliable...

[@Espiel78]

I own a 2013 Prius-C bought new. It is my daily commuter and grocery getter. In all those years, the only service needed has been a set of Yokohama tires 7 years ago. The tires are just fine, as are the brakes. It just returned from a Toyota dealer with a perfectly clean bill of health, traction battery included. I average about 50 MPG in our busy city, and its nimble and comfortable enough for me. I am accustomed to small cars, and really love this one. My much larger gasoline CUV is driven enough to keep it going, but I prefer my tiny hybrid. Make of that what you will, but experience dictates that I would be totally open to another hybrid. Drive on!

[@asimoford4994]

Nobody understands mobility better than Toyota.

[@carlospcpro]

Hybrids are just the best middle ground for now

[@android_one]

Right now, hybrids are the best option there is, not the worst as the video says. The choice of fuel makes it possible to run the daily commute on electricity and use gas for long range trips. They also allow a great fallback. Last year we had a power outage lasting several days, so it would have been very difficult to get around and we even got to run an inverter to power some essentials using the car as generator!

[@robertoelizalde5694]

Hi driver Honda CRV hybrid is the best thing ever. I drove from Los Angeles to Sacramento on one tank straight shot without stopping. It was pretty awesome.

[@Accuaro]

1:31 This is a lie, this doesn't take into account the earth moved to mine lithium with heavy machinery/transport trucks, the water wasted in refining lithium. This doesn't take into account that EVs are more energy intensive to make, this doesn't take into account that EVs go through tires faster and release more tire particulates which are worse than tailpipe emissions (source: emissions analytics), and finally this doesn't take into account that the majority of the world uses fossil fuels for power. Adding onto this, less than 5% of batteries are recycled in the US and even less for LFP since the process is harder and less valuable materials to reclaim. This wastes a lot of water. EVs are not carbon neutral no matter how much you claim it to be.

[@maximusasauluk7359]

No one claimed they were carbon neutral. It's literally a product of capitalism, you build it, the environment pays for it. But if you want to claim it does not BECOME carbon neutral over it's lifetime or, at the very least, carbon neutral compared to an ICE car over the same lifetime, you're delusional.

[@peter65zzfdfh]

The main reason batteries aren't recycled at the moment is that so few actually reach end of life that the scale required to recycle them cheaply hasn't been there. In another 10-20 years as EVs actually start reaching end of life the materials will be worth recovering. That lithium is easier to get out of a battery than to mine again. Any new car is energy intensive to make, the quantity of steel etc in any vehicle puts the battery to shame. Even with fossil fuels for generation, they still emit less, and further away from where people breath it. But in most countries with any significant share of EVs 'most' power hasn't been from fossil fuels for many years, and many are actually struggling to find a place to dump excess renewables. (Here power is literally *free* between 11am and 2pm from some retailers, as they are PAID by the market to use it to lower the voltage on the line being caused by all the excess solar.) And those fossil fuel plants are providing baseload overnight, used or not. EVs are only really a problem to put power in if you MUST charge them at peak times (eg early evening). And no one ever claimed they're carbon neutral, that's a straw man if ever I saw one. Even a train isn't carbon neutral and that has no emissions and is about as energy efficient per pax as possible in both construction and running costs. They're LESS carbon than an ICE car though, after just a few years, assuming you actually drive anywhere near average. If you just sit and look at it, then no. And if you drive very very little, not replacing your car at all is a better option than either.

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

I'm currently an eager buyer who'd like to go EV now. However, I have.a tow requirement. Currently, there's exactly one truck that meets my needs, and it's not even out yet. I was hoping that Rivian would announce a R2T on March 7th, but they didn't. So, while I'm a cash-in-hand buyer, the industry does offer what I need at an affordable price. Lack of public charging infrastructure, especially in the eastern and southeastern US, is another big problem. I travel all across the continent, and the lack of charging infrastructure the further east you go in the US is jarring. There are more DC fast chargers in one little mill town in BC that I regularly visit (6K-7K population) than in the entire area surrounding one of the largest universities in Georgia! I just returned from a trip where I rented a Chevrolet Bolt EV for a week. I drove from Seattle to Merritt, BC. I had zero issues finding a charger when and where I needed one. The units were operational and I only had issues twice over the week. The first was an ICE vehicle parked one of two spaces at a charger. The other was when a single soace BC Hyro DCFC was occupied. Lastly, when I do go EV,, public chargers are rarely set up as drive through ; something that's a requirement for towing.

[@ajberge]

Why haven't you looked at a Cybertruck? It has a range extender coming out this year which will put its range at 470 miles. Even with towing you would have a range that would allow you to go 3+ hours driving at a shot. As far as public charging infrastructure, just look at the Tesla supercharger map in your area and I guarantee there are lots of options even outside of charging at home.

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

@@ajberge Firstly, more options are needed for decarbonizing trucking (including pick-ups). As for Cybertruck, at least four things: 1) Design - I loathe how the Cybertruck looks. 2) Cost - *Estimated* MSRP starts at $76,390 for an AWD model with 340 miles range (again, marketing figures). 3) Delivery - Tesla are taking orders for 2025 delivery. With initial deliveries more than 2 years overdue, no delivery window specified less than a year, deliveries currently halted, and total deliveries to-date in the 3,500 range, that's way too risky. 4) Bed space and payload reduction for Tesla's "range extender". This is beyond brain-dead. Secondly, notice that I specified "pull-through" as a requirement for charging tow vehicles. Having to unhitch, charge, then hitch up again is a huge PITA!

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

@@delusion2987 I'm well aware of all the offerings that are either our or planned. The problem with the Silverado WT are both price and availability/delivery. My ideal truck remains the RAM Ramcharger 1500. 143 miles BEV range, 690 miles total range. With towing, 1/2 to 2/3 of those figures. Again, the issue is availability/delivery. The RAM REV (300/500 mile BEV) is 2025, with the Ramcharger later next year.

[@johotnanbron8999]

Plug-in hybrids are absolutely the best option. It doesn’t combine the worst of both of them. It combines the best. I really think this video messed up with that statement. That way we don’t need to build electric vehicles with 300 miles range and people only use 20% of that range on a daily basis which is an absolute waste.

[@peter65zzfdfh]

You'd think so theoretically, here there's only a couple available and they cost more than similar EVs which is crazy. I guess paying for the second drivetrain is a bit of a cost, then there's maintenance. I think most people would be fine with just a shorter range EV. Less to go wrong, less parts, less maintenance. Especially as a second car. It's a shame one of the few hybrids to do it right, the Volt. Was discontinued. It at least had a simple 'generator' engine and the drive train was all electric. All the range of fuel without too much of the complexity.

[@johotnanbron8999]

@@peter65zzfdfh exactly my wife had the volt and then the Prius prime but now not more many cuz prices are inflated like you say. Before Covid plug in hybrids were much cheaper than EV

[@ernestounionista886]

Missing in the article is any discussion on the price penalty for buying a plug-in hybrid over a standard hybrid. While shopping for a car, the few Prius Prime (plug-in) models in stock locally were around $40k or higher. The regular hybrid Prius models in stock were loaded models at about $36k. The plug-in models also get slightly worse gas mileage due to hauling around the weight of the bigger battery. We ended up buying a Hyundai Elantra Hybrid (not a plug-in) for $26.2k. That was the best choice for us. The gas mileage is a little better than our previous 2012 Prius.

[@mrapollo_17]

The idea that someone would buy a plug in hybrid and then just not plug it in is hilarious

[@fred420]

I leased a Model 3 a few years ago... It was the biggest POS I have ever had. Two weeks after delivery the rear door cards popped off after going over a small bump. The trunk/hatch leaked due to it not being installed correctly at the factory. Tesla fixed it after the third try but refused to replace my carpet so the car stunk of mildew. Panel gaps are better on a 10 year old Kia. Charging absolutely sucks as a lot of the time there's someone already charging so you wind up being there for 2 hours... Just typing this gives me PTSD about that POS.

[@vamseekotha]

Product more priuses. They cost a lot in dealerships for some reason.

[@yia01]

they cost a lot cause it sell too fast so dealership mark up the price to the moon

[@TheLifetraveler1]

I actually rented Tesla's on three occasions intentionally. Just to determine if they were a fit, this is before the major price drop, to the point, you could buy one from Hertz for $26,000. I liked the power and the sportiness. Once I got over the range anxiety thing, I realized I didn't appreciate having to stop every 250 miles or so to veer off of my path to find a charger and sit there in a car for 30 to 40 minutes each time to top it off. So I purchased a used 2020 Honda Accord Hybrid instead. Physically averaging between 48 to 51 miles per gallon, makes me smile. Just after the purchase I noticed the swing to hybrids, so recent Carvana notifications (if you put your vin in the system, they tell you what they would pay for your car), have shown I can sell it for more than I paid for it. NOPE, I'm keeping it!

[@mushieslushie]

EV's don't retain their value. Also, where I live, even if charging completely at home, it would be cheaper for me to drive a Prius vs a Model 3. That is only charging off-peak between midnight an 6am, if I charge during peak, the Prius is vastly cheaper. CA want's to lead the way with EV adoption, but at the same time the rates for PG&E are so high that nobody wants an EV anymore.

[@nrgonline]

Exactly. People are getting charged 48 cent a kw during peak hrs. Prius cost 4 cents a mile to drive while a Tesla cost 8 cents

[@peter65zzfdfh]

During the pandemic people were selling second hand cars, including EVs for a profit, 2 years after purchase. That was pretty unsustainable, due to production shortfalls in most cars and increased demand. That's come off somewhat. Here power with some providers is completely free between 11am and 2pm. There's so much excess solar, energy retailers are actually paid to take it by the market just as a service to lower line voltage. Prius has got to be one of the most complex cars to maintain, lots to go wrong. But everyone's best option depends on their local conditions and how much they drive. I don't think anyone would be better off with an EV if they had to use public chargers only.

[@peter65zzfdfh]

@@nrgonline WTF is charged 48c ? And what kind of idiot charges during peak hrs? That's about as skewed of a comparison as you can make it.

[@mushieslushie]

@@peter65zzfdfh My off peak is 45cents and durring peak it's 72cents.

[@Jackson-T23]

The Prius Prime PHEV is a remarkable vehicle. The wait time is also remarkable.

[@BobbieGWhiz]

They are not producing nearly enough. Meanwhile, last year, I bought my Model 3 in inventory. No waiting whatsoever. No dealer markup. $32,000 after state and federal incentives (including destination, sales, tax, registration, etc.). I’m happy with my purchase, even if I’m not happy with its CEO.

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

I'll say. We waited 21 months for our Prime..........................! We where told the current wait period is now three years. Jezz.............

[@verynick]

Try RAV4 Prime. Mega remarkable!

[@haihengh]

try to wait for a sienna....

[@jasonk446]

My next vehicle was going to be a Tesla. However, I've decided I will be getting a 2025 Toyota Camry instead. Those are only offered as a hybrid, and I'm ok with that.

[@oglocbaby520]

I think you made the right choice. I've seen a lot of people complaining about their experiences with Tesla, specifically quality and customer service. I personally know someone who got one in 2023 and there were several issues that were difficult to address.

[@bn9161]

Good choice. My tesla was a lemon. It's getting bought back

[@arlofs]

EVs are disposable junk. Hybrid vehicles can be reused when sold in the used car market. Hybrids are therefore better for the environment.

[@connorhale599]

I drive a ford C-MAX hybrid and get 50mpg easily with it, and in combination with the battery and ICE, my practical range is well over 500miles. It fills every role you'd need it to, electric and efficient for around town and city driving, and still very efficient on long distance trips using existing infrastructure. EV's have a place, and if I were looking for a car with the sole mission of being a work commuter car, its absolutely the way to go imo, but as your only car, it becomes limited beyond that.

[@consolemaster]

You're better off with the hybrid. It's miserable to travel long distances on an EV. Sometimes you have to wake up 1am in the morning at the hotel to make sure it's not as busy at the superchargers if you're traveling. Sometimes you have to wait in queue for a spot. And, you are always forced to stop every 150-200 miles for atleast 30 minutes. You're not saving much driving long distances on an EV. With the hybrid, you could come out cheaper traveling or a little bit more give or take $10-20 on 500 mile journey with average electric rate to be 39 cents/kwh. Definitely going to take atleast 10 more years of development on EV.

[@jje984]

A plug in hybrid offers pretty much everything with no compromises. If you have a short ride to work and a place to plug in at home then you'll be mostly on battery. Regenerative breaking will capture a lot of your energy from stopping. For longer trips you have your ICE engine you can rely on and not have to worry about spotty public charging infrastructure. Lastly, a plug in hybrid isn't going to be negatively impacted by extreme cold nearly as much as a full EV. The Hyundai Santa Fe plug in hybrid is under 45K and can do about 30 miles on a charge which is, actually, more than I need for my commute usually.

[@ajberge]

Agree, no compromises on having the negatives of an ICE without the benefits of the battery. There's plenty of supercharger infrastructure for long road trips if you have a Tesla. Go google the Tesla supercharger map, there are tens of thousands of stations across the country and the car tells you where to go to charge!

[@kaichi]

I would love to see a report on reliability and longevity of EV’s vs Hybrid vehicles.

[@travis3810]

Yep. No oil changes? that'll save you $100/year. Battery replacement? $30k for a Hyundai lmao

[@oldrrocr]

so that the makers of conventional ICE cars can raise their standards... and prices?

[@jacobpetersen5662]

Consumer report just did on. Plug-ins the least reliable, worse than EV's. Most reliable is non-plug-in hybrids, followed by ICE cars.

[@davehilling3944]

I dont think we will get true reliability until we have had more EV models etc on the market 10 years. The average in the US i think for cars in the US now is 12 years which is pretty good if say 90% of EVs are still on their factory battery at 12 years I would be impressed. Personally I have a 18 year old truck still on the factory engine at transmission... how many EVs will still be on the factory battery at 18 years... who knows but I am guessing by that age under 20% (probably less) and that will hurt them big time.

[@nyxline]

Toyota hybrids going over 300,000 easily,I got Uber ride The driver had a 2021 Toyota Camry Hybrid over 300,000 miles Just minor maintenance😊

Hybrids are at the moment just more convenient for the buyer. You don't have to plug it it, great on fuel efficiency and gas stations are easy to find. One doesn't have to worry about running out of battery. My friend with a Tesla really can't reliably go long distance. Depending on which side of the country you are on. Here on the East Coast, while more charging stations are being built but not as plentiful as a gas station so who wants to plan constantly plan around a trip always concerned about where the next charging station maybe and then you have to wait around for the car to charge.

[@jonathanhiner7486]

85% of charging is done at home.. if you go to the gas station 50 times in a year you will stop at a supercharger 4-5 times in that year with an EV. Would you sacrifice a slightly longer fuel-up 4-5 times in a year for the convenience of not having to stop anywhere 45 out of 50 times in that same year? Also, there is no planning your charging with Tesla's.. you literally type in your destination and it tells you exactly where to stop and how much you should charge to. This is arguably easier and less stressful than internal combustion cars today especially if you're traveling in remote areas.

[@rylans.5365]

@@jonathanhiner7486yeah I second the Tesla part. This so called friend should not have any issues with doing road trips with a Tesla. My guess is that OP was just trying to take a personal story to try and prove some kind of point but it didn’t work 😭

[@patrick7228]

Lol. Can't reliably go long distance in a Tesla? Come on. Where does this friend live?

[@haihengh]

​@@patrick7228 a trip from Charlotte to Atlanta will take about 4 hours one way, with a hybrid I can do it with a full tank of gas without problem. with a tesla I will need to charge 2 times, it will delay my trip for about 2 hours with a tesla. that is matter of getting home at 11pm or 1am.

[@patrick7228]

@@haihengh I don't know what type of Tesla you are driving but I've done that trip. It's about 250 miles. Not sure what's happening for you. You can do that in decent weather maybe without charging once.

[@nelsonta00]

my sister bought a 3rd gen prius when it first came out and its still going strong. Hybrid would be my preferred choice when I buy a new car

[@audieo575]

No mention about higher insurance cost? My Erie insurance quoted Tesla Y vs RAV4 Prime is $1000 per year more. Also not mentioning about EV steep depreciation? Why also not mentioning the EV 70% range reduction when towing?

[@gizmobits]

I have both Tesla and Toyota Rav4 Prime, perfect combo. I prefer Tesla for fun and mid range activities around the city. Rav4 is great for long trips and short work commutes because battery is very small.

[@Mabeylater293]

How often do you take long trips?

[@k4piii]

@@Mabeylater293 most workers can take 2-3week vacations. Strech-up they may be able to take from 2 to 10 long trip vacations.

[@spiritedgarage]

​@@k4piii in America? 😅

[@sheepyracing2774]

There is absolutely no difference in time driving an electric to an ice car over 700km . How often do you drive over 700km and worry about the extra 25mins on that trip? You’re paid in return for your time with the tesla. Because it is 1/4 the cost to charge up compared putting petrol in on that long trip .

[@fallguy4209]

@@Mabeylater293I take 3 1000 mile road trips a year and a 65 mile commute. RAV4 hybrid is amazing with a 600 mile range

[@AdventSeph]

EV companies will price their cars the same as a cheap house and then get confused why sales aren't ramping up, especially during a recession...

[@maxwellward]

Where are you buying a house for 40k-70k anywhere in the US or Canada? 😅

[@Barskor1]

A Tesla M3 is selling for 33,500 now and around 2026 the M2 will be selling for 25k or less OEMs are screwed though they are 15 years to late to save themselves.

[@AdventSeph]

@@Barskor1 That's US pricing I assume? In Canada the M3 is over 56k and the F150 lightning is between 60k to over 100k.

[@AdventSeph]

@@maxwellward If you're not picky about age, you can find 50+ year old houses in areas like Niagara or Oshawa for around 100k-200k, still not that cheap but when a decent trim of the F150 lightning is near 90k then yeah....

[@FawfulDied]

@@maxwellward bad places in Baltimore, but it can be done

[@ipod341w1]

I purchased a 2005 Honda Civic Hybrid, I had it for 17 years no major issues,218,000 miles .

[@HP-zc9cp]

Toyota is smart they know what they are doing.

[@cleve21ful]

The biggest factor, imo, is that there are very limited EV choices in the U.S., and the cheapest are around $40,000+! Not everyone can afford that.

[@DMahalko]

The second biggest factor is that if you rent, you have to get your landlord to install a charger for your EV, assuming you have access to a garage and/or assigned parking space. If you only have city street parking, who provides charging, the landlord or the city? The issue of range for EVs for a renter is really capacity between recharging. How long can I go without being forced to go to a public charging station, where I may have to sit and wait for 4 hours waiting for a week's worth of capacity?

[@ajberge]

That's not correct. The cheapest (and best/most American made) EVs are Teslas. You can get a Tesla model 3 right now for $35,00 before the tax credit.

[@Gazer75]

@@DMahalko The landlords will be in trouble eventually if not offering EV charging to tenants. Question is how many people renting an apartment in a city also have a car? Norway is a small country, but when looking at the percentage and where we are headed it is clear that offering charging is fast becoming important. At the end of 2023 around 24% of all cars on the road in Norway are BEVs and 9 of 10 new cars sold are BEVs. I think the big issue in the US is total cost of ownership. Fuel prices are low enough so the higher up front cost of an EV is to much. In Europe fuel is more than 7 USD/gallon mostly. Another problem is the fairly expensive home charging setup needed in the US due to its electrical system being 120/240V single phase. Most homes in Europe have access to 3 phase 400V so getting a good charging solution is cheaper.

[@vlvlvlvl330]

@@ajberge $3500. ????

[@FawfulDied]

@@ajberge The Model 3 is just under $39,000. And there is no federal tax credit for it since the battery cells use a forbidden source.

[@xDUnPr3diCtabl3]

High fuel costs, high vehicle price, high maintenance costs, ...

[@wokewokerman5280]

...and not sure why they don't add a simple gas powered generator as a backup for range when range or remote charging is needed....simple with no hybrid mechanics and can be a smaller Hp gen set....

[@haihengh]

@@wokewokerman5280 simple math, a 9200w generator will generates, 9.2kwh per hour, a kwh will make a tesla drive about 4 miles, which, if all you drive is 38 miles per hour, that generator can keep up, but if you are driving like 70 miles per hours, your generator will not be able to keep up. not to mention all your green currency went to toilet when you put a gas generator in your ev.

[@wokewokerman5280]

@@haihengh...run about 12-15 Kw (about 15-20Hp), and start day with a full charge on the battery system, this is to extend range, comes on if range is an issue, and to charge when there is no other higher amperage option. Run on gas, or other, prefer CNG, and can be an option and even removed when/if not needed. Can charge while the car sits parked outside, then of no charging station is avail, get some more gas. Hybrids are over-complicated. (And most Tesla's are over horse-powered), yes, simple math, complicated imaginations, complex marketing by big auto....

[@haihengh]

@@wokewokerman5280 what you said is the mini ev with gas range extender, they didn’t sell well at all. Talk about hybrid complexity you have no idea about ev complexity, most of the complexity are hidden behind software code, which you will never be able to fix by yourself

[@wokewokerman5280]

@@haihenghhybrids are much more complicated than an EV, added full power gas engine, and a complicated transmission all baked together. There has never been a well thought out EV with a gen set, maybe in China! (And like you can fix your Hybrid yourself!!!!) And hidden code is your issue - then you should drive a golf cart - code and diagnostics are in everything now. EV's are actually LESS complex then an ICE system as most of your ICE cars systems ARE electric. No matter, electric motors are so much simpler than any ICE, and better performance.... I HAVE no idea, you have NO clue

[@DavidElCid300]

I had a Toyota Prius Prime, and I loved it. But now I have an EV, and I can tell you there's no comparison. The EV is much better.

[@maxq4253]

CNBC released this the same day as Tesla Q1 sales plunge.

[@randomthings9032]

Electric cars or Hydrogen car may be the future but Hybrid is the true one to fill the transition.

[@SirBilliam96]

I considered buying a Tesla Model 3 or Y, but I literally cannot charge at my house because I have to park on the street and I am not allowed to install a charging post next to the sidewalk. There are also very few superchargers near me and no charging stations at my work. I'm gonna stick with my Accord for quite a long time.

[@peter65zzfdfh]

Not being able to charge at home (or work) is a pretty sensible reason not to get an EV for the foreseeable future. Eventually I think options will be available that aren't charging massive profit making markups on power as networks stop having to roll out capacity just to meet rising demand. Especially places where people are parked during the day when there's often an excess of solar available that at some places is actually costing negative amounts.

[@haywardkong1213]

If you own your house... why can't you install it on your drive way? that's if you have a drive way? what about you garage situation?

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

Isn't there a Tesla supercharger near you?

[@hughdman]

I bought a used Chevy Volt PHEV in 2017. It has been a great car and paid for itself in fuel savings in 3 years. When service from the local Chevy dealer became impossible to get, I ordered a new Ford Maverick hybrid. I took 18 months to arrive, but I got it one year ago. While the Volt basically got infinity mpg (except in winter, the Mav gets 42mph commuting 80 miles a day in mountains. If I just drove around town, it would be 55mpg like my friends get. If the prius Prime could haul mulch, gravel or a big load of lumber I'd buy that. I waited for 20 years for Honda to sell a hybrid Ridgeline. The Maverick is the hybrid truck I wanted. If Ford makes a PHEV version of the Maverick, I'll trade for that. I'm pretty tired of the anti-EV misinformation campaign going on right now. It's total crap- all of it. We are learning to recycle the batteries. EVs do NOT pollute more than ICEs. Everyone who says so has an agenda or is somebody's parrot.