Edward Snowden and Jack Dorsey on Nostr

Edward Snowden and Jack Dorsey have a conversation at Nostrasia about Nostr, Decentralizing the internet, and authoritarianism in todays age.
Chapters:
00:00:00 - The Early Internet and the Journey of Twitter
00:09:14 - The Power of Cooperation in Open Protocols
00:18:01 - The Challenges of Sprawl and Factionalism in Communities
00:26:34 - The Decline of Engagement on Twitter
00:35:53 - "The Difficulty of Succession Planning"
00:44:41 - Problems with Fact Checkers and Validators
00:52:59 - The Potential of Nostr
01:02:01 - Onboarding New Users and Supporting Growth
01:10:41 - Exposing Hypocrisy
#Nostr #decentralization #censorshipresistance #interoperability #futureofsocialmedia #openprotocols #futureofinternet #cryptocurrency #blockchain # protocols #decentralizedfuture

[@Natty183]

A hero. I'm grateful for what he exposed and warned us all of despite the usual, horrific consequences of that role. Thank you for your humanity. ❤

[@mikestaub]

Bringing Snowden home is the final resolution of our nation's redemption arc. I believe it will happen this decade.

[@Kazekoge101]

I'd say jailing the people Assange exposed but yeah

[@dominysynclair]

And making Jack pay for his transgressions against America.

[@mikestaub]

@@Kazekoge101 That will never happen.

[@Kazekoge101]

not in our current system, but thats also true for bringing Snowden home@@mikestaub

[@sloth6765]

Russia expelled Lenin. Germany jailed Hitler. Nelson Mandela spent 27 years in prison. Whatever change you seek, the empire will strike you down.

[@G.G.___162]

Always good to hear from Snowden. I just watched the "Citizen Four" documentary for the first time. Seriously one of the most incredible things you can watch; you literally see Snowden's whistleblowing situation happening in real time as it happened, and you feel the intensity of the situation like no Hollywood movie would ever be able to recreate An absolute must watch. It just makes you appreciate what Snowden did in a whole new light that you just won't get otherwise.

[@foeppel]

Yeah, enjoyed that documentary!

[@raymond_luxury_yacht]

Snowdon is an actual hero.

[@plaiche]

100%

[@DiandraStarShine]

a good doco for sure! I've watched it a few times since it was first released. I think I've consumed ALL Snowden docos? but possible maybe I've missed one or two? in any case, that one is definitely a good one!👍🧚🏾‍♀ but what about this KZbin channel? something is off + the QR scan opportunity? better to be conservative and avoid it. esp. if you have any Bitcoin stored 'in' software wallets or any cold storage wallets!😯

[@milire2668]

true

[@tensevo]

Excellent, keep saying it, the answer is better speech, not censorship

[@katherinegenovese10th]

Yes🙌🏼💯 Thank you #edwardsnowden Appreciate you so much 💜

[@ChristianPecksteiner]

This is so brilliant!!!

[@evelynmitchell2888]

Thank you Mr. Snowden, I agree we do need to know and understand. It is very difficult to catch up with the systems and technology. Huggs from me.

[@sam-vc5qg]

What an amazing person, I have listened to all his interviews and I am astonished by his intelligence. I also want to thank him for confirming the search engines do not offer any information, I have come across this problem too. Thank you for the interview very informative as always

[@ConorChepenik]

Great opener. Snowden is the 🐐 for his sacrifices

[@lejontajones]

Thanks Snowden I appreciate what you have done for human kind #Bitcoin

[@parabenstv]

Historical talk of two absolute Insiders, who know, what they are talking about! Thanks very much!! Goverments have become the biggest problem. We need administration only without any ideology! Full Transparency in public area and Open Source.

[@denijane89]

I'm surprised this video doesn't have more views. Ed and Jack talking sounds way too great. Thank you, Ed and Jack. I still have some faith in Twitter, but now that Elon released Grok behind a paywall, I feel quite saddened. I know that in the end this is a business and it should earn from something, but I don't feel happy using my posts to train an AI and then to pay to use it. Also prioritizing posts by subscribed users is simply not fair and distort the popularity of tweets and the whole feed. It sounds like X is changing to something I don't like. But let's see what will happen. Also, thank you Ed for mentioning Julian Assange. He shouldn't be forgotten.

[@shaneofastrotek]

He was a Young Global Leader pf the WEF just like Xi Putin Trudeau Musk and CZ and SBF. They are all agents of the WEF set to destroy the United States. The more the claim decentralized the more it feels like they are all putting black boxes in our cars and homes just like in airplanes. And Jack was not naive. You are naive to think that. Just like those retards on bluesky who Said Laser Weapons DEWs were a hoax yet Israel just announced they are using them. To think they didn't exist before is to be knowingly ignorant. Remekber the Dutch uses words Ike decentralization to colonize South Africa.

[@kristinredacted9503]

​@@shaneofastrotekbut Israeli DEWs are so weak.... They might as well not exist. They're over hyped.

[@user-ji6qj1db3u]

X wants to be china inspired "wechat" elon wants total control!! No thanks

[@interestedpart2650]

Legend, integrity & courage ❤

[@zemourizemouri2406]

Dorsey and freedom of speech!!!!

[@UC241]

Snowden reminds me, that we all should be paying more attention to what our Governments and Governmental Representatives are actually doing, and failing to do!

[@gerrade71278]

what a gift. thank you.

[@lykn6929]

Strong man my Jack. Doing this interview not long after ur brother passed 💔. May he rest in peace.

[@jeroenplayak2433]

Very inspirational again.

[@vsadams]

Reading to your children at bedtime is one of the most important things you can do.. 🤗💞✊☮️

[@stevengill1736]

Being a septugenarian, I got to see the web before HTML and Mosaic, then the beginnings of Facebook and KZbin...heck, it's changed a lot. I think that's normal though....(you mentioned IRC....yes! And Ed's talking about Google search - I've noticed how it's changed too...) I just figured it was part of getting old...but "this too shall pass". Just trying to be thankful for what I have these days....you youngsters have to come up with the solutions - I'll be here cheering us on! ;*=[} Thank you kindly for this discussion....

[@vsadams]

Dear Edward, from the bottom of my heart💞, ThankYou Always...🤗✊☮️

[@rohand03]

Under Dorsey's watch, Twitter became US state social media, he is one of the last persons I would think of when i think of Freedom.

[@W1LLi4m_]

💯

[@Thomaazzz]

He gave his employees freedom. He didn't know the bad stuff was going on until it was too late. He was too trusting and naive. I bet he learned his lesson. He let the company slip out of his control. Because he is not a control freak. He's a pro freedom guy. I definitely give him the benefit of the doubt. I also think a neutral reading of history paints him as a good faith well meaning liberty loving guy.

[@CalebFenton]

Money is a hell of a drug

[@brandonsmith6965]

bet you get fooled again and again@@Thomaazzz

[@Thomaazzz]

For sure

[@WalkerAmerica]

Jack: “in the spirit of keeping #nostr weird I’m going to do this interview barefoot. Edward - I’m not sure if you have shoes on or not but I hope not, I hope you’re comfortable.” Edward: “I can’t see you guys at all but I’m wearing slippers and no pants, so this’ll be just fine.” Jack: “okay, we’re starting it weird, too. Thank you.”

[@jirajira2872]

good to see edward is doing well 👍

[@changeagent5051]

Gratitude 🙏🏻 to Edward Snowden .. we haven’t moved on .. bought Permanent Record so thank you.

[@LarsBjerregaard]

Quality stuff!!

[@trigger21m]

Hugs to you all.

[@Betehadeso]

I am SO OOOOOO EXCITED 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 why do I feel like I can breathe now

[@aftabkhanize]

Wish you and your family all the best. Living in EXILE is also an experience. It gives you an opportunity to view the world from another angle.

[@davi_96]

01:08:15 "Delayed justice is not justice, but qualified and manifest injustice" Rui Barbosa "Memoir", Seymour Hersh, last chapter "America's War on Terror" >> At a later point, Obey told me, he had gone to see Cheney and David Addington, the vice president’s counsel, and told them they were violating the Constitution by conducting their off-thebooks operations without any congressional authorization and funding. The answer was, in essence, that President Bush had the authority to do whatever he deemed necessary in wartime. The specific message he got from the two men, Obey told me, was: “If you don’t like what we’re doing, go into federal court and sue us.”

[@michaelgilchrist6255]

cheers fellas

[@pho-King]

shame on us all for not allowing this man to roam wherever he pleases. He deserves a shrine for his sacrafices. smfh

[@fteoOpty64]

Jack is right. Ed is a modern day superhero!. Not many realized what sacrifices he made for the American people!. Back in the day, I was tracking Snowden every day from his HK visit!. The spooks got outsmarted by a nerd!!!.

[@fteoOpty64]

yeah, first guy who said John Bolton is insane!!!. And normal people cannot see that ?. Are these people BLIND ?. Or something ?.

[@fteoOpty64]

Ed, When your kids grow up, they WILL know that you are a SuperHero. The AGI will make darn sure of that!. Great to know that you serious books to them at a very young age. The info actually sticks for years and decades. That is how our memory works that few realise was possible. Maybe you ought to teach them remote viewing!!!.

[@cf9240]

Wow!

[@zamshedrahman100]

will you ever host something like that in Ireland or UK . in foreseeable feature .

[@mirkaheart]

A huge BIG HUG to both of you. I didn't think it would be so emotionally moving, I even shed a tear at the end. Amazing conversation! 🫂

[@amahl.farouk]

When he said him and Ed against tech giants as facebook and google. Isn't he 1 of the giants even after X (twitter)? Is it stupid if I don't trust Jack?

[@kennethguitarfiend4493]

Real life hero

[@REZZA2020]

Jack. Snowden. Many Hugs Given

[@miropribanic5581]

is that scratching noise a microphone issue or a Nostr thing?

[@channelbitcoin21M]

Jack has zapped me twice on #Nostr 😌🧡

[@TJPhoenix-sl6ji]

❤HUGS E. SNOWDEN 💜 ALSO THINKING OF AND PRAYING FOR JULIEN ASSANGE ❤💜

[@edithboesch3948]

Hug to Mr Snowden!

[@bbbanks6912]

As someone else suggested, we need a union for whistleblowers. They are not getting the protection, funds from lawsuits that they have won.

[@jrbedolla10]

The second Snowden's camera went black......everyone's heart started racing.

[@kristinredacted9503]

Lol

[@daymanfighterofthenightman]

Hearing Snowden name drop Emma Goldman makes me happy c:

[@sourcemade7299]

Here we gooOOO into new undefined free soveriegn beings, communities and societies

[@aj-pf5yt]

Open source Government……let’s Go!!

[@Beesmakelifegoo]

❤

[@user-misspoken]

How recent is this video ??

[@tensevo]

totally agree with vision of, post nationalism, rather than super-nationalism, or supra nationalism or globalism or super national socialism.

[@bigqueue]

Maybe this is just a knee-jerk reaction, but having Jack Dorsey interviewing Edward Snowden almost feels like two people on opposite extremes. Dorsey talks about how difficult it was to overcome and push back against the government who was pushing Twitter to sensor, yet he didn't even mention that the act of pushing back was done by musk who had no trouble doing it with the Twitter files. Am I to understand the Jack Dorsey was not that motivated or creative to have done a somilar thing? Let's not forget The Dorsey was in control and accepting all this manipulation.... And then he essentially walked away with a big payout, and now he's all fawning over Edward Snowden who did a very courageous thing. Snowden certainly didn't walk away with a big payout.... And musk certainly was able to do a similar act to what Snowfen did.... Was Jack just too weak or afraid?

[@sunflower-oo1ff]

So with you on everything you said, and about Elon too🕊🧡

[@coldflu]

No one can ever remove your Nostr notes. I’ll wait to hear where else…

[@LindaPow]

2:56 until 3:03 silent with no subtiles either... a censored part ... my viewing

[@lotusalivelight24]

There once was 'talk,' of an International Law 'Court,' for all of these kinds of horrific 'issues' to be adjudicated on a timely basis. But everything has splintered, & it was never done. (Technology, took its place... ??? :(

[@SerkhanII]

#grownostr

[@nxnu2119]

👍

[@cybermavenstudios]

Jack needs to extend his tentacles to Julian Assange.

[@genechorney]

🤗

[@nikned66]

Bad sound quality! If is a pity :-(

[@BabyHoolighan]

"Willing to iterate."

[@David-yn7wl]

RFK will pardon Snowden day one when he is president and Julian Assange

[@user-iq4kl8wi7p]

What is Edward Snowden doing on a podcast with Jack 'Cooking the good pasta', Dorsey? I think we know.

[@coincrazy3563]

all cpus have backdoors that feed all your data directly to the lesbian multi kult feds

[@carlwatts1230]

Google / youtube is heavily involved in the comments. Happens often that my comments do not get through the filters. I would elaborate on this but probably the filters would detect keywords or whatever patterns they're using to "moderate" speech GTFO of here would be my advice Exodus

[@philosphorus]

You are correct. It is much worse than people know. I would tell you what has happened to me, but nobody will believe me. I am terrified to say anything anymore on the internet.

[@carlwatts1230]

​@@philosphorus Vote with whatever is under your control to withdraw support from needlessly dysfunctional immoral systems. Opt out of these. If you want to get out of a hole a good first step would be to stop digging. Then additionally support / empower / endorse alternative peaceful systems. Seek and ye shall find (unless you're using one of the bad systems to do the searching...)

[@philosphorus]

@@carlwatts1230 I feel so lost. I don't know how to keep going. I wish I could find some drug to permanently wipe my memory and consciousness and turn me into a mindless sheep, like so many. I would tell you why but I honestly fear for my life.

[@carlwatts1230]

​@@philosphorus That's tough to hear. I'd suggest finding like-minded people and forming relationships with them. Economic, social, romantic or whatever. Humans are social beings. It can get hard to go at it alone. Talking and laughing with others who see the world similarly might help. Also the sense of security and ease of mind that comes with being a member of a tightknit group that is largely self sustainable should not be underestimated. It's probably easier than ever to find "your people" with the digital communication technology that exists these days. There's also more old fashioned low tech ways to find compatriots

[@donreichdedios]

it's good to see a bunch of l fellow lefties on youtube channels nowadays :)

[@tonyzk622]

Big thumbs up for Jacks honest self-assessment of himself and the company. Big thumbs down to Edward! 1) I disagreed with his criticism of Elon Musk and when you hear he's trying to promote a platform that is direct competition to X made him sound quite disingenuous. 2) Thanking Jack for everything then criticising the people he worked with for just sitting by and watching what was going on. Good luck with the future Jack and I'm glad you're still in the game but for fuck sakes do not ever run a company again! And Edward, thanks for your service.

[@brandonsmith6965]

is it nostr- because -adamus?

[@donnaandara]

I intelligent, defiant, guapo. Heart this so much.

[@Jack-xc2ys]

The fix for me was to not use Twitter. Of course we would like to think the mobs you can use it to create are building a better day, but that's plainly not the case.

[@watsonakanowt]

Snowden is turning into Seth Rogen?! I smell a biopic

[@talpiotATprotonmailDOTcom]

Has anyone given up their phones or social media accounts? 😂😂😂

[@user-ji6qj1db3u]

No one! Humans we are our worst enemy. We will fall us useful idiots!

[@lassmirandadennsiewillja183]

Snowden talks and the mic is hacked. ^^

[@priceandpride]

They fattened that man up in Russia

[@raymond_luxury_yacht]

There are two opponents. Government and those that believe government.

[@tuckerbugeater]

anti government people are far more scary

[@Art.Magick]

And those who control government. Govt isn't the top of the food chain. They are middle management.

[@christiansmith-of7dt]

America the land where all my nightmares came true

[@shababrk]

Jack Dorsey should be in jail

[@Kaybe23]

no biden

[@scotter]

I very much appreciate the government-skeptical attitude here! Snowden please practice pausing from time to time so people can digest, ask questions, and maybe even contribute to the conversation.

[@benderthefourth3445]

Yeah, the old internet was fun, revolutionary, instructive... Then the establishment came in. Even I noticed that google search sucks nowadays. I mean, most of the results are selling products... really, we want to buy something every 5 minutes? It will not end well for the greedy.

[@greggilbert8162]

HERO'S OF THE NEW WORLD.

[@David-yn7wl]

Like instagram shutting down RFK when he had almost a million followers

[@user-ji6qj1db3u]

IG is blocking and letting posts anything related to the mass illegal immigration, israel "war", or the over 40 million poor citizens/ people living in poverty. They censoring all the people who posting things things and making people aware. They punishing them for weeks. Meta wants to silence people.

[@user-ji6qj1db3u]

Guys is been ten years and things has got worst so. Nothing has changed. Nobody wants to do anything

[@peterpan8147]

Why is he always bringing up Bitcoin?

[@alexv6465]

Americans if you do not bring Snowden and free Assange, you will always have guilt in your concience😢

[@W1LLi4m_]

Jack is a Fed.

[@rawbacon]

Criminal Dorsey should be spending the rest of his days behind bars.

[@STEM671]

2013 CHINA TO USSR : : I STILL PERSUADE SELF DUE SINCE THAT NIGHT (CC) 5:38

[@STEM671]

14/NOV/2023

[@serenditymuse]

Why don't we use namecoin style stuff. That is the blockchain plus having to have the right token to proof ownership and right to modify public keys, makes the best key server conceivable. It also is much more decentralized and ideal for DNS records and for SSL certificates and many other uses. Those middlemen and "authorities" are a huge danger themselves and create very large well known attack possibilities. I am surprised as brilliant a person and cryptography expert as Snowden doesn't mention such sketch of solution in more detail or at least mention it and why it may not be good enough if it isn't. And everyone that has a wallet already has a keypair and knows how to use it. Signature stuff is easy.

[@user-cd6uk3hw7k]

oh my Snowden compares himself to Napoleon and Cicero. PSYCHO

[@TonyWeldone-lt6mg]

Ed for president

[@TonyWeldone-lt6mg]

Actually I'm so grateful to you for the courage you have hopefully more and more will stand up.

[@mikemaldanado6015]

Interesting. Just like i don't get why people still use google,l i don't get why people are still using btc. I started using btc when it was between 1 and 4 dollars. Back then it was anonymous but now it's least private for of money and nobody is working on a fix. The code hasn't been touched in years. Then you have monero which is actually anonymous and is being actively worked on to work out problems that come up here and there. Using btc for anything is just setting up a scenario of dissapointment sometime in the near future.......... and it's not like we don't have an alternative working solution already. BTC people snap out of your dellusion please.......

[@sunflower-oo1ff]

I totally agree with you👏

[@mikemaldanado6015]

@@sunflower-oo1ff too many people associate it as an investment only, they don't understand the reasons why it was made. one of the reasons it was created was to eliminate all the high bank transaction fees but it's not even doing that.

[@sunflower-oo1ff]

@@mikemaldanado6015 I know...people bought into the hype. I didn't then, and I still don't. The whole world is so uncertain as it is. I don't trust it.

[@user-cd6uk3hw7k]

TWEETIE BIRD SNOWDN

[@user-cd6uk3hw7k]

SNOWDN STUCK IN THE 90s. LOOK AT THOSE 90s RECTANGULAR SPECS TWEEETIE BIRD

[@samowens3]

Jack Dorsey the man that ran Twitter for NSA , CIA and DHS interviewing a whistleblower. The irony of this shouldn’t escape any of you .

[@50_Pence]

Eddy looking like a real Ruski now. Been eating mucho stroganoffs

[@sunflower-oo1ff]

Well he is a family man….and the food in Russia can’t be that bad 🕊

[@kokuz0512]

I have a feeling that Snowden has a lot of bitcoin and has been mining and now is pushing it.

[@TheMirovampiro]

snowden got thicc

[@trueherbsman]

he resembles Seth Rogan.., even his voice.

[@911elijah]

Jack is struggling to get his credibility back

[@RemmyMusic1]

not in this lifetime

[@sunflower-oo1ff]

Better not say anything bad about Elon guys….Elon is the man🕊🧡

[@imperialGaming.2473]

He’s really no different from people like Alex Jones. The only thing is that he was actually in government working in in government. That’s literally the only difference between Eric Snowden, and people like Eric and Alex Jones.

[@lexzack7206]

Edie has been eating well!