EEVblog 1564 - Agilent/Keysight U1273AX Multimeter Repair

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@flomojo2u
@flomojo2u Жыл бұрын
OLED displays are extremely sensitive to oxygen and moisture ingress, which is one of the reasons they are expensive-- they must use a glass envelope with metal feedthroughs that is hermetically sealed. Can't recall the channel, but the owner actually did some of the R&D on the original displays, and he explained how that was a major hurdle when developing them, just how to create a perfect seal. Apparently it wasn't that difficult to get them emitting light, but without that seal they will very quickly fail.
@TehMG
@TehMG Жыл бұрын
Back in the day when OLED displays were quite a new thing, I had purchased a bunch of OLED character display modules to use in various projects. About a decade later, none of them work anymore, even ones that were still new in the box. The controller (HD44780 compatible) is alive and well but the OLED display emits no light at all. It would seem that when OLED was a very new technology, they hadn't quite figured out how to seal them properly.
@chongli297
@chongli297 Жыл бұрын
Really cool but sounds like yet another reason to not use OLEDs in a meter. Just stick with good ol' LCD!
@AnkitSharma-1337
@AnkitSharma-1337 Жыл бұрын
@HuygensOptics is the channel you are looking for, he has a video on how he did research on early OLED tech.
@iamdarkyoshi
@iamdarkyoshi Жыл бұрын
I wonder if this is the same reason cell phone OLEDs (the glass ones, not the film based ones that can be adhered to a rounded piece of glass for those stupid edges) completely stop showing an image once any part of it is broken. I've had a few friends tell me they dropped their phone and it stopped turning on but in reality they managed to crack the oled without cracking the front glass and it simply stopped displaying an image.
@ShahZahid
@ShahZahid Жыл бұрын
but a lot of smartphones, generally high end ones use the soft oleds where the panel is kinda flexible, and even cutting a piece from it rest of the display is fine except for a few dead rows due to the cut, my point being there is technically no hermetic seal in those right?
@mikemike7001
@mikemike7001 Жыл бұрын
Your recent repair videos demonstrate a remarkable ability for planning years ahead, leaving batteries in so many devices and waiting for them to leak. Of course, I find these videos quite entertaining, although my first thought is oh, Dave, not again.
@NoLandMandi
@NoLandMandi Жыл бұрын
It was really cool how you found the calibration fault by reasoning and analyzing the way the front end would work!💪
@flymypg
@flymypg Жыл бұрын
It's situations like this that have me fondly remembering our old-school ozone-killing Freon dip baths for PCB cleaning and decontamination.
@mysock351C
@mysock351C Жыл бұрын
I have this series of Agilent DVM, and leaking batteries absolutely wreak havoc on the plastic. I had to make do with popsicle sticks and epoxy as the “new” battery compartment since the old one turned to dust.
@EEVblog
@EEVblog Жыл бұрын
Interesting. There seem to be lots of subtle differences instrument plastics manufacture.
@AlexTaradov
@AlexTaradov Жыл бұрын
Back to front is a very common issue. In the display controller it is done with a single bit, and if you are trying to send commands before display is ready, it may be missing that command. And those displays take forever to initialize.
@iamdarkyoshi
@iamdarkyoshi Жыл бұрын
I wonder how easy/difficult it would be to either increase the reset delay, or have the display hold the main meter in reset until it finishes doing its weird and wonderful things.
@AlexTaradov
@AlexTaradov Жыл бұрын
@@iamdarkyoshi Meter just sends the data, so display module MCU can just accept and wait it until the panel is ready. It would be an easy fix if the source code was available. OLED initialization just needs to be made more robust. I assume STM32 here emulates the commands of the original display controller, so it is possible that it is actually just missing that register write for some reason. It is 100% fixable, but it would be on the makers of the board to fix it. Although logically, it makes no sense to even interpret the initialization commands for the original display. You just need to accept the data. So, the issue is purely in the initialization code in the new module.
@barnenlenovo681
@barnenlenovo681 Жыл бұрын
@der.Schtefan
@der.Schtefan Жыл бұрын
​@@AlexTaradovCan you dump the programming of an STM32 and put it through Ghidra?
@AlexTaradov
@AlexTaradov Жыл бұрын
@@der.SchtefanNot unless they forgot to lock it. And clonners are usually good with locking stuff up, they know how easy it is to clone things. In practice it would be much easier to re-implement the whole thing from scratch. It is not doing anything complicated or involved. Contacting the vendor may also work. This does not look like a typical cheap garbage, there is a chance they want to know about the issue and can fix it on their own.
@ovalwingnut
@ovalwingnut Жыл бұрын
By chance I ran into someone I didn't know and we both agreed that this was 1st class infotainment. Just saying. Cheers!
@dangillham9329
@dangillham9329 Жыл бұрын
My OLED went on my U1273AX - just completely blank one day. I ordered an LC-OL12864-09-YO-A7 from LC Design (Germany, around 110 euro incl shipping) and it dropped straight in & works perfectly. Such a shame Agilent presumably know full well this is a design issue on a very pricey meter (as they offered replacement screen modules) - Didyou see their pricing for a replacement (when they offered it)? Truly stupid expensive. It's my most expensive meter, and the one that lasted the least long. Now happily working again without fault. Nice video, Dave, as always.
@kuenrg
@kuenrg Жыл бұрын
Dave!!! I have a similar model Keysite that had leaking batteries and has never been the same since. I cleaned it but now will give it another shot based on your repair! So glad i watched to the end. Thanks for such high quality videos!
@georgegherghinescu
@georgegherghinescu Жыл бұрын
High impedance board cleaning would make a great topic for a video. Almost nothing about it on youtube. The proof of a clean board is a test at 90-95% humidity, cleanish boards can pass at low humidity like in an airconditioned room.
@EEVblog
@EEVblog Жыл бұрын
I was just thinking this. It would need a controlled experiment with high impedance exposed traces and controlled amounts of contaminent.
@georgegherghinescu
@georgegherghinescu Жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog that sounds great!
@djscrizzle
@djscrizzle Жыл бұрын
The humidity vs creepage path problem makes a good argument for conformal coating PCBs where accuracy is important.
@nukiduki2
@nukiduki2 Жыл бұрын
Yeah man do it
@bluetrepidation
@bluetrepidation Жыл бұрын
I recall sending my meter in for a recall. Keysight exchanged it for another model. I can't remember what the issue was with the original product though. Stinks because the OLED is great for use in pitch black electrical cabinets. Easy to read at any angle.
@TradieTrev
@TradieTrev Жыл бұрын
Downside is she chews the batteries compared to an LCD!
@bluetrepidation
@bluetrepidation Жыл бұрын
@@TradieTrev true.
@mrpetit2
@mrpetit2 Жыл бұрын
Fail for Agilent. Not only having their top tier multimeters failing their displays, but also not having spare screens available, luckily the aftermarket came to the rescue, this time.
@EduardoWalcacer
@EduardoWalcacer Жыл бұрын
​@lakinnenlako6883 I can't vouch for their old instruments for electronics, but Agilent is a top tier chemistry instrumentation company. It's the world leader in high performance liquid chromatography.
@ferrumignis
@ferrumignis Жыл бұрын
@@lakinnenlako6883 Hardly, they are the defacto standard for an awful lot of test equipment.
@bobert4522
@bobert4522 Жыл бұрын
@@EduardoWalcacerthey rebranded a few years back. Agilent is only medical now, Keysight is the test equipment company. It seems to me that this meter was outsourced, no excuse still for its poor build quality. And the cost of these things is exorbitant compared to Fluke, FLIR, etc. for same specs.
@mrpetit2
@mrpetit2 Жыл бұрын
@@lakinnenlako6883 this is indeed a video about the multimeter, not liquid chromatography or whatever that is 😁
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Amazing repair. Great diagnostic and reasoning to isolate the problem and $80 for a screen is still worth it for this high end meter. The screen is beautiful.
@DrFrank-xj9bc
@DrFrank-xj9bc Жыл бұрын
. Great repair video. Finally. Thank you, Dave
@MaxPivovarov
@MaxPivovarov Жыл бұрын
To wash the pollution, it is not enough just spray and wipe with a brush, you need to collect the dissolved pollution using a napkin. If an alkali hit the printed circuit board, you must first wash it with a light solution of citric acid, then rinse with water with a soap, and then rinse with ethyl or isopropyl alcohol and wipe dry with a napkin. I saved a lot of electronics flooded with different active liquids (alkalis, acids, salt).
@sanches2
@sanches2 Жыл бұрын
After neutralizing the alkaline stuff the best is to soak in lots of warm de-ionized water. Product of acid and base mixing is some kind of salt which in solution is conductive too
@ahc1625
@ahc1625 Жыл бұрын
You'll find that your calibration problem is probably due to battery electrolyte soaked into the fibreglass of the pcb causing stray conduction paths. I have come across this problem before. It's a very difficult job trying to remove the paths by soaking it in solvents etc for many days, but always worth a try I suppose.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
That could be tough to clean without destroying the PCB and you don't want to damage the surface mounted components. I find modern electronics almost impossible to fix.
@tactileslut
@tactileslut Жыл бұрын
That sounds prone to becoming sensitive to humidity, where the soaked in battery goo comes active on sticky days.
@MrFixiit
@MrFixiit Жыл бұрын
brilliant video dave always love how you faultfind thanks for shareing.
@dfpolitowski2
@dfpolitowski2 Жыл бұрын
Nice, Thanks for all your work, video and all.
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics Жыл бұрын
Winner winner, chicken dinner! That's one more back in the world of the living. I love your ACV standard :)
@EEVblog
@EEVblog Жыл бұрын
That standard is pretty schmick.
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics Жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog a thing of beauty indeed! I love the Cold War era electronics. Especially if it comes in a 19" rackmount form factor, haha!
@EEVblog
@EEVblog Жыл бұрын
@@KeritechElectronics Does take up a lot of room though.
@Graeme_Lastname
@Graeme_Lastname Жыл бұрын
I bought my el-cheapo DMM about 20 years ago, and it still works. 🙂
@ianhaylock7409
@ianhaylock7409 Жыл бұрын
But can you reverse the display on it so you can view it with a mirror.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Well el cheapo accuracy is likely off as they don't test or calibrate these things. They're produced to be disposable. But hey they work.
@Graeme_Lastname
@Graeme_Lastname Жыл бұрын
@@ianhaylock7409 I can think of a few times when that would have come in very handy. 🙂
@Graeme_Lastname
@Graeme_Lastname Жыл бұрын
@@jonfreeman9682 I've never needed that much accuracy, nice but not needed. 🙂
@mikefinn2101
@mikefinn2101 11 ай бұрын
Great job loved the repair job fantastic love your channel
@tony359
@tony359 Жыл бұрын
Nice repair thank you!
@Scoochie77
@Scoochie77 Жыл бұрын
I would use the choice of OLED over LCD in an otherwise equivalent Keysight DMM as a really good tell in a job interview.
@richardbrobeck2384
@richardbrobeck2384 Жыл бұрын
Nice repair !
@pa4tim
@pa4tim Жыл бұрын
I have a Fluke with battery damage, after cleaning, restauration of the contacts, 3 years ago, it failed this week. Feeding it with a bench supply there was no problem. When I wanted to clean the again corroded battery contacts, one of the still good looking contact dropped off in 2 parts. Turned out to be corroded away from the backside. For battery leakage repairs I always remove parts and clean under them, did that here too, but not the battery contacts. Also had something similar on an other meter, there the wire from battery holder to PCB was corroded away from the inside of the wire.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Battery damage if not too bad you can still clean and repair as long as the surface mount components haven't eroded. I haven't come across too many battery leaks. Not sure what causes it but for extended non use it's best to leave the batteries out.
@thomasmoore8142
@thomasmoore8142 Жыл бұрын
Great repair!
@S95Sedan
@S95Sedan Жыл бұрын
Ah the good ol SSD1303 display issue. They only make ssd1305 now which fits but then the picture is flipped, hence needing a whole new driver board. Nivona 855 coffee machines have this same issue.
@jdennee
@jdennee Жыл бұрын
The reverse image is a feature not a bug 😅
@ogitakasi3030
@ogitakasi3030 Жыл бұрын
Nice repair! informational!
@richardjones38
@richardjones38 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad the budget only stretched to a lesser model with an LCD when I bought my Agilent (U1232A) meter
@rwestvang
@rwestvang Жыл бұрын
Isn't the startup sound a check for the speakers all frequencies? As a self-test.
@joelmurphy9369
@joelmurphy9369 Жыл бұрын
Looks like a really hard bend on the OLED flex. Wouldn't be surprised.
@jdmjesus6103
@jdmjesus6103 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I recently changed the exact same screen on an aftermarket car product (apexi power fc hand commander). Took a punt on the aliexpress one (£60 delivered) and it worked. My first time soldering fpc too
@robertpeters9438
@robertpeters9438 9 ай бұрын
IS THEIR SOME TYPE OF PADD WE CAN PUT UNDER A BATTERY TO STOP CORROSION OF A UNIT FROM BATTERY LEAKAGE?
@erichschlecht5986
@erichschlecht5986 11 ай бұрын
My lab received 5 of these as "freebies" when we bought real Agilent Source Measurement Units (~$10K each). Five years later NONE of them worked. No battery leakage. We threw them out. My Fluke 23 I bought new in 1981 works like the day I bought it. All the handhelds we use now in the lab are brand 'F'.
@kalhana_photography
@kalhana_photography Жыл бұрын
This is my favourite multimeter. The OLED screen is great to read at any angle. Also I use the non-OLED version of this which I don't like as much. Also I find that the Fluke 289 is the worst LCD I've ever used (can't read it unless looking at it directly). On the U1273AX, I've disabled that silly startup melody and also disabled auto power off (nothing worse than using all hands and legs to probe something with the tongue at the right angle and the DMM beeps and goes off!).
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
OLED is the future of high end meters. They need to differentiate with cheap meters. OLED definitely looks more cool even if it's kinda gimmicky. Would be nice if they use higher res OLED and add more useful functionality.
@rimmersbryggeri
@rimmersbryggeri Жыл бұрын
What's wrong with testing wether the beeper works on startup?
@ELECTROxigeno76.
@ELECTROxigeno76. Жыл бұрын
Exelent video, Mr Jones,.🎩
@kristyskirt9015
@kristyskirt9015 Жыл бұрын
Great troubleshooting David. I had a feeling the battery leakage was under a component. Still NO easy finding that one ! You and Paul Carlson do a super explanation of electronics fault finding, and repair. Sad to see how much dollar pinching is going on new electronic test equipment. I remember many Years ago using Hewlett Packard Optical Spectrum Analyzer HP OSA 70004A / 70952B, I used just to align the input collimator to the first wave splitter filters, was great equipment to use FUN TOO yet made The Brain go on Full Afterburner. If you have done any work on optical test gear David, could you reply with a playlist please. Thanks Best Kristy
@vintagepc64
@vintagepc64 Жыл бұрын
Well what do you know! I acquired a 1273A which had the exact same issue - suffered battery leakage and was scrapped due to being out of calibration. Pulled that same capacitor and gave it a good cleaning (despite no signs of gunk under it) and it seems to have fixed it. This'll be a nice upgrade over the AN8008 previously bought due to Dave's video on cheap meters 🤣 It still has the RF interference problem on the current range but I can live with that...
@damensutherland7081
@damensutherland7081 Жыл бұрын
Do you know how to calibrate extech clamp meter .I turned potentiometer and I think I need jumper wire to processor .It changes with the weather now with about 300 mv
@tubegaming9621
@tubegaming9621 Жыл бұрын
Hi What the value the capacitor that you unsolder ( the white color capacitor) thanks.
@xani666
@xani666 Жыл бұрын
Some suit made a genious move with pushing for oled, it makes people wanting new stuff want it and it breaks far faster so companies will outright replace the device instead of repair if it fails after warranty. They looked at meters working just fine 10-20 years after production and went "THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE"
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Always wondered how Fluke stays in business as it's buy one last forever model isn't good for repeat business.
@xani666
@xani666 Жыл бұрын
@@jonfreeman9682 By having reputation and people thinking that buying Fluke makes them real engineers
@Streamtronics
@Streamtronics Жыл бұрын
Did the exact same OLED module replacement you did, but the module I bought has a bug where when it shows the negative sign, one or two columns of pixels of that minus sign are basically wrapped around to the right side. A bit distracting I have to say. Messaged the seller and they actually came back with a detailed explanation of the issue, but I'm not convinced they couldn't have done something to suppress it. It doesn't have the reset issue yours has though lol
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
So did they have a solution. Is it defective or faulty design. That's the problem with 3rd party parts.
@klauscottonswab2322
@klauscottonswab2322 Жыл бұрын
Sorry, noob here.. So a bit of dirt under a component, like in this case, can throw the calibration of the meter off? What does it do? Is it increasing the capacitance or something because you deal with such tiny amounts of capacitance? Would like to know, thanks!!🤔
@gregorymccoy6797
@gregorymccoy6797 Жыл бұрын
I saw on Mr Carlson's Lab one of these displays faded a lot. Seems to be a very common failure.
@for2utube
@for2utube Жыл бұрын
I bought the 1253A, and that OLED is N/A. I then bought a newer meter refurbished from Agilent and it’s display was going out. Grrr. I bought an aftermarket display and I’m back in business. Those OLEDs last 10 years max, no matter the power-on hours.
@davidr8796
@davidr8796 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how many oled panels will be working in 10 years time?
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
They can last 10+ or more years no problem. Depends on usage.
@veryboringname.
@veryboringname. Жыл бұрын
Great repair! The meter is up to AUD$359 already with 3.5 days to go. I probably won't get it but I have a strange urge to buy a Lenovo headset.
@veryboringname.
@veryboringname. Жыл бұрын
And now the listing has been pulled, item is 'lost or broken'. I wonder what happened.
@jozsefizsak
@jozsefizsak Жыл бұрын
It's a shame such a nice, premium meter has a major reliability issue with the screen. Perhaps a few more will be repaired thanks to your video.
@trevoro.9731
@trevoro.9731 Жыл бұрын
It is only marketed as nice and premium, it is trash. OLED is not the right thing to use for frequently used electronics (eyes strain) and it is not reliable as rugged indicator either.
@robertsundling
@robertsundling Жыл бұрын
Now I really want to sample you making the startup sound (at ~ 3:52) and mod my multimeter to play your version.
@DJ-pg8mg
@DJ-pg8mg Жыл бұрын
Dodgy OLED display panels are starting to worry me a bit - I bought an ASUS Vivobook with an OLED display last year. So far the thing is beautiful, but now I'm wondering just how much long it'll be before I have to replace that hi-tech panel... :(
@peteb2
@peteb2 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave for this vid... I stupidly invested in the U1453A DMM but also the U1253B 'blue' coloured OLED insulation meter. It was not a cheap kit either & in 4yrs probably used it 4 times.... until the other day i really needed it & find it's gone dark on the OLED & Keysight have ensured i will never support them again! So finding another OLED for it is going to be interesting & since my daily use U1453A with its yellow OLED is still rolling along fine i guess i'll be up for spending time to have my U1253B usable again....
@IanScottJohnston
@IanScottJohnston Жыл бұрын
I avoid OLED now if I can help it, I have a 1" one on my DIY solar/house power monitor its on 24/7 and it gets weaker and weaker with every month.
@SomeTechGuy666
@SomeTechGuy666 Жыл бұрын
Mine has the same problem in one of the ranges.
@JonnyFix
@JonnyFix Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure I've seen a clothes washer (or dish washer) with the exact same startup sound
@blockbertus
@blockbertus Жыл бұрын
I am blown away. Dave actually repaired something! Whats the current status of your "clock" project with this weird case from a gas detector thingy?
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Dave has repaired other things too. He's got some great videos showing how he diagnose and fix defective equipment. The challenge is always getting parts.
@electrodacus
@electrodacus Жыл бұрын
Is the EEVblog forum working ? Or it is just a problem on my side? I get a database error.
@radman999
@radman999 Жыл бұрын
LOL at Dave's sound effects rendition
@TheManLab7
@TheManLab7 Жыл бұрын
This is why I ALWAYS using Energizer lithium's because they are lighter, have more power, voltage hardly drops AND they don't leak.
@leocurious9919
@leocurious9919 Жыл бұрын
Wait... that sound is what it is supposed to do?
@jabinstateresa
@jabinstateresa Жыл бұрын
For how good and nice to use OLED screens are for multimeters, they are kind of a mixed bag in terms of longevity. Especially when you are dropping something like 700USD on a bench multimeter that is similar to this (the keysight 34450A). When the display died about a year after I bought mine it costed more to ship it to keysight to repair it under warranty than to just buy a replacement screen and do it yourself. Changed the color to a more high contrast yellow too in the process.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
OLED are great and last a long time. Practically as long as LCD and look much nicer. But expensive to replace.
@0xbenedikt
@0xbenedikt Жыл бұрын
@@jonfreeman9682 That's not true. They don't last nearly as long as LCDs as the pixels get dimmer over time ("burn-in"). While they are more expensive, the difference is not massive. The only reason it is expensive to replace in this case is that it is custom to this model. A custom LCD would be pricy to replace too.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
@@0xbenedikt I remember my old Samsung S4 phone did have OLED burn in but phones are on all the time. OLED should have improved since then. They are brighter and richer color than LCD so all top phones use them now. Meters should be able to use OLED without burn in as they're not on all the time. That being said meters don't really need such colorful displays like phones which are used for entertainment.
@bluetrepidation
@bluetrepidation Жыл бұрын
What batteries do you recommend that dont corrode?
@EEVblog
@EEVblog Жыл бұрын
Anything without Alkaline
@janbrittenson210
@janbrittenson210 Жыл бұрын
Isn't that just a 0.05" pin header? Buy or make a ribbon cable for it to be able to probe the control board. Also, 138mA current draw is with all pixels on, which is atypical. With only 10% of pixels on you're looking at more like 14mA.
@FrozenHaxor
@FrozenHaxor Жыл бұрын
My U1253B had a long history of failures and finally gave up the ghost with the OLED, worst purchase decision I've ever made when it comes to test equipment.
@clivewright7778
@clivewright7778 Жыл бұрын
Fluke is the best meter on the planet. Have been using fluke from the 1980s. All others fail
@FrozenHaxor
@FrozenHaxor Жыл бұрын
@@clivewright7778 Yeah, I was thinking of getting one but my use case heavily depends on very fast refresh rate of the display, and I didn't really see Fluke meters offer that so far unfortunately, If I found one I would get it immediately.
@njphilwt
@njphilwt Жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@jimomertz
@jimomertz Жыл бұрын
Note to Agilent. Keep sensitive areas of meter away from venting batteries….
@pcfreak1992
@pcfreak1992 Жыл бұрын
I love my Brymen BM786 😄
@williamwalker8107
@williamwalker8107 Жыл бұрын
What do you do about batteries? I guess take them out of devices if not using regularly. I've had too many leak in test equipment in the past.
@Motorman2112
@Motorman2112 Жыл бұрын
Eneloops.
@mikebarushok5361
@mikebarushok5361 Жыл бұрын
My usual problem is that I am using the device regularly, but then something comes along and the device sits unused for an unpredictable amount of time. Sort of a side effect of having too much stuff and too many interesting projects partially completed.
@williamwalker8107
@williamwalker8107 Жыл бұрын
Are there any leak proof batteries that you can safely leave in any equipment? @@mikebarushok5361
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Generally batteries don't leak. Put devices in a cool dry place and it'll be fine. I think it's heat that causes battery to leak.
@mrlithium69
@mrlithium69 Жыл бұрын
replacing the screen changed the power characteristics of the whole machine, especially since it has to power a whole other micro. so the whole device calibrations out?
@EEVblog
@EEVblog Жыл бұрын
It doesn't work like that. The ADC has it's own voltage reference.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
If properly designed it shouldn't change calibration.
@georgeageorgopoulos
@georgeageorgopoulos Жыл бұрын
Silicon chip and electronics australia still around in australia? ;))
@ecaparts
@ecaparts Жыл бұрын
When's the next multimeter kayaking trip??
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
They are fun but I've never been successful repairing and simply toss it out.
@thushararathnayake
@thushararathnayake Жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, You still didn't respond to my request. Did you find a spare LCD panel for my BM235?
@MacaoBlue
@MacaoBlue Жыл бұрын
hello, this multimeter brings me good memories, I have a faulty one due to trying to upgrade it, I can not do anything with it so I would like to send you the front and back plastic covers so that the person who gets it has a really nice one, how to contact you ?
@perhansson6718
@perhansson6718 Жыл бұрын
@user-xy4bc4po9h there is a project on the eevblog forum to modify the firmware, with that has come the ability to recover a bad flash, I sent you a link on the forum
@andymouse
@andymouse Жыл бұрын
The OLEDs on TS100 Irons go bad for no other reason than they want to !...cheers.
@georgegherghinescu
@georgegherghinescu Жыл бұрын
Had that happen on my exmaple
@mrpetit2
@mrpetit2 Жыл бұрын
But that's a product in a totally different priceclass. A ts100 display can be had delivered for $4 or so and the complete iron is like $60. This multimeter is supposed to be a top tier product, priced at $500 or 600 or so.
@andymouse
@andymouse Жыл бұрын
yes it shows High end kit and Low end kit have the same problem with OLED@@mrpetit2
@PlasmaHH
@PlasmaHH Жыл бұрын
I really don't like the the 1272A ... quite a few measurements are incredibly slow, you sometimes have to wait several long seconds to get near to the proper measurement. Also often the resistor measurements drifts away happily for minutes.
@BrianG61UK
@BrianG61UK Жыл бұрын
Could the whole of the inside have filled with nasty corrosive vapours from the batteries that damaged things? Seems unlikely.
@MartinE63
@MartinE63 Жыл бұрын
Leaky Duracells did just that, a yellowish slightly tacky film. Evil things alkaline batteries.
@sleepwalker6825
@sleepwalker6825 Жыл бұрын
Reason the screen ( New one was back to Front ) Dave was because it was reverse Engineered lol
@whatcouldgowrong7914
@whatcouldgowrong7914 Жыл бұрын
“Reverse engineering” - Literally 🤣
@shubus
@shubus Жыл бұрын
On the battery corrosion issue, I'm sure I'm the only one in the world who has replaced all the alkaline batteries in my devices with Lithium Ion. Undoubtedly a grocery list of reasons NOT to do this, but after have the batteries corrode in my EEVBLOG meter--I made the switch. And no more corrosion issues--just fire issues (LOL).
@timwhite8500
@timwhite8500 Жыл бұрын
I’ve done this too with items of significant value. For the cheap items I didn’t bother.
@shubus
@shubus Жыл бұрын
@@timwhite8500 I bought a wholr bunch of AA & AAA Lithium batts so did everything. Even my toys.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Lithium batteries are not cheap. But they definitely last a long time. You buy a set they last forever.
@shubus
@shubus Жыл бұрын
@@jonfreeman9682 The most important thing to me is not have corrosion which will leak and destroy my devices. I have many gadgets which aren't use for months or years. Lithium batts puts a stop to this.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
@@shubus Lithium batteries can leak too but they're less prone to leak than alkaline. You can also use carbon zinc. They're the cheapest and I heard they don't leak but not sure.
@WolfmanDude
@WolfmanDude Жыл бұрын
Do O-LED screens actually fail from mold? I heard a myth that some microorganisms can get into the screen and "eat" the O-LED material.
@voltare2amstereo
@voltare2amstereo Жыл бұрын
Battery manufacturers need to be accountable for battery damaged devices
@cambridgemart2075
@cambridgemart2075 Жыл бұрын
Duracell will pay for a replacement item damaged by battery leakage, I've been paid out for 2 D cell Maglights ruined by leaking Duracell batteries.
@MrDoneboy
@MrDoneboy Жыл бұрын
Dave. I only own Fluke meters, because... They were the meters that you dropped from a hill onto concrete, and you even took them swimming with you! Lol
@joelmurphy9369
@joelmurphy9369 Жыл бұрын
If it didn't make a doobly-doop 1980's bleep bloop start up sound, how would you know that it was the screen??
@revealingfacts4all
@revealingfacts4all Жыл бұрын
Just another reminder why Fluke meters are worth their cost
@michaellowery1559
@michaellowery1559 Жыл бұрын
Dave, doing Robert De Niro Facial expression😄
@georgeageorgopoulos
@georgeageorgopoulos Жыл бұрын
You liked silicon chip and electronics australia magazines? you work now on microscopy? different tech mate!
@TheDefpom
@TheDefpom Жыл бұрын
@25:40 it looks like the bottom trace has corroded through going to the large exposed pad... oh never mind LOL.
@fichambawelby2632
@fichambawelby2632 Жыл бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Great, Dave!
@NoLandMandi
@NoLandMandi Жыл бұрын
What I learned is, recycle your plastics with batteries and they take care of each other 😂
@8o86
@8o86 Жыл бұрын
i think the plastic cracked because the metal screw increased in volume when corroding
@skatcat743
@skatcat743 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@ford1546
@ford1546 Жыл бұрын
why aren't there more multimeters with proper rechargeable lithium batteries with auto off? I wonder
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Simple. These are low drain equipment so you don't need lithium batteries. They're expensive.
@radarmusen
@radarmusen Жыл бұрын
That sound and then a Markita charger there can play charge then the boss know there are been working.
@Evergreen64
@Evergreen64 Жыл бұрын
Nice little $700 multimeter.
@EricAdamsonMI
@EricAdamsonMI Жыл бұрын
I avoid using alkaline batteries in anything that doesn't see frequent use. I'm gradually switching to lithium ion, but I'm still happy with carbon cells, for the safety of my devices.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
So you're saying only alkaline leak. Carbon and lithium can leak too. We use alkaline as it lasts longer.
@cambridgemart2075
@cambridgemart2075 Жыл бұрын
@@jonfreeman9682 Indeed, I bought a brand new 996 battery (the big square 6V one) and it was dead; I couldn't be bothered returning it, so I popped the top off and found 2 of the 4 cells were heavily corroded with almost no zinc left. This was a Varta battery, although I note it was made in China and had no production date marked on it.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
@@cambridgemart2075 Thanks for sharing. I use alkaline as it's cheaper than lithium which lasts longer but lithium is expensive. Carbon is cheapest but for double the price you get better quality with alkaline which holds the charge longer. I think all batteries can leak and the cause is moisture humidity and overheating of the batteries which cause swelling so the seals are broken and moisture gets in reacting with the chemicals hence corrosion and leak. But lithium is definitely higher build quality. I think if you keep equipment in a dry cool place there won't be any leak no matter carbon or alkaline.
@danhudson4614
@danhudson4614 Жыл бұрын
0.36 display gone visible.
@MrLakridsbat
@MrLakridsbat Жыл бұрын
It would be nice if you could get a "USB MICROSCOPE" to record / capture images of the chips in your videos that you could overlay
@tubosolinas
@tubosolinas Жыл бұрын
But imagine that you need to look at your multimeter from a mirror!Niiiice! 🤣
@pedro.nasaES
@pedro.nasaES Жыл бұрын
All the 6 OLED models failed me after the warranty passed.
@timturner7609
@timturner7609 Жыл бұрын
0:57 Its fun. Some people like fun.
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