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In a world first Dave takes an initial first impressions look at the new Siglent 1000X Series 200MHz entry level oscilloscope. What do you get for US$499?
How does it compare to the Rigol DS2000 Series?
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[@dxg999]

I haven't got the first clue what anything on this channel is, but I *love* the guy's enthusiasm!

[@EEVblog]

+Joe Bloggs LOL, thanks!

[@BTom16]

+Joe Bloggs For the first few videos, I thought he was reviewing caffeine pills.

[@daveb5041]

And he doesn't even drink caffeine!

[@veganath]

@@daveb5041 doesn't need to

[@martinda7446]

I think this is confirmation of the power of KZbin and the maturing of Daves channel, never before, except in specialised print has such information been available. I hope Dave agrees this is his forte and product developers take note this is going to be the place to be and maybe even launch new product. Only one direction this is going, up. Great, great stuff.

[@zaidhussain5206]

Thank you so much Dave for this video, I intended to one of these Siglent oscilloscopes , but I changed my mind after all

[@adamadamhoney]

I purchased a Siglent SHS810 from Trio (great to deal with and really looked after me, thanks Dave!) had similar locking up problems and menu freezes glitches but I am running the first firmware and haven't updated to the newer revs yet. Overall pretty happy bang for buck for a portable. Love to see a teardown when you get one that you can rip that warranty sticker off! Oh, the SHS810 comes with the exact same probes and bag o tricks FYI

[@MauriatOttolink]

By 2017 this beauty had dropped to below 400 bucks. I got one and just as the 3 year warranty was about fade out, they went to unbelievably elaborate lengths to correct within warranty, a serious fault which appeared to have developed. Fortunately for me, it mysteriously resolved itself but what effort their man made to help me! Thank you, Martin Wu, Siglent in Augsberg, Germany! Ich bedanke mich sehr. 非常感谢 Great instrument..A1 company.. Less so the German retailer!

[@matthewrichardson828]

I bought two of these. If you have a stand-alone logic analyzer, this is the way to go. Love it. I use a Saleae Logic analyzer (best working PC tools I've ever had) because I like having that connected to my PC anyways. My biggest issue with the Siglent is that the Intensity/Adjust knob is a bit cheap on how it works. I don't like needing to go thru menus for intensity, and that knob doesn't feel well with the menus either.

[@voltlog]

What good is that massive update rate when coupled with a massive dead time between segments? The scope looks to have some nice features and improvements over the previous Siglents and the price is nice but I would still take the Rigol.

[@krish2nasa]

Hey Dave, When can we expect a detailed review on Siglent SDS2000X series scope with MSO option?

[@SatyajitRoy2048]

Will wait to see the tear down of this little puppy. Good thing is, competition is on so Rigol should think about slashing down their price little bit.

[@diabolicalartificer]

Oh no! Not another scope review. Your one of my favourite video blogs, but I miss Fundamental Friday, repair video's and yes mailbag.

[@stanwardoshiro]

I went ahead and bought the Siglent 100Mhz oscilloscope. Am happy with my purchase.

[@darer13]

How has it held up. Looking to buy one. Hobby wise.

[@dm4728]

@Pietro Moopy hahahahahha

[@MauriatOttolink]

Stanward Oshiro What on earth, does "I went ahead " mean? Ahead of WHAT? If you want to use MY language, you are most welcome but please don't mangle it! God Bless America from Olde Englande, your former Colonial Oppressors.

[@stanwardoshiro]

@@MauriatOttolink how cute. You're on KZbin, an AMERICAN made video sharing platform.

[@rlmccormick]

Great review! I'm considering purchasing a Siglent 2000X series scope with logic analyzer option. Are you working on a review of that model? I'm curious if the 2000X series has better construction that the 2000 series scope.

[@bernardshrevejr.]

Just ordered - SDS1102X, $424 on Amazon - currently at this date and time 12/23/15, almost went with the Rigol 1054Z, but there is too many issues. If I need four channels I have my SDS1052DL. This is a major upgrade scope for me, since I have been using the SDS1052DL. for projects and repair work.

[@itsGeorgeAgain]

Ahhh Dave! you turned it on!

[@LomasSubedi]

Sometimes I feeling to leave all the works and watch your video all day long. :D

[@ronshaw80]

How long do you think it will be before we get affordable scopes with more than an 8 bit AD? It seems DSO's are mainly aimed at the digital world. For us that do mostly audio work, 8 bits is to coarse for our needs. Is it really that much more expensive to use 12 or 14 bits (or more)?

[@dwDragon88]

It's like a Rigol DS2000 series and a Keysight 2000 X-Series had an illegitimate love child. It got the mother's front panel layout, the father's screen interface, and a dash of cheap build quality.

[@MauriatOttolink]

dwDragon88. That similarity had not escaped me . I'm in no position to comment on the build quality,

[@skip0110]

Wow that agilent can decode the serial so fast!!

[@SchweizerUhu]

If you mention the software issues: What firmware version have you tested?

[@murnelbabineaux105]

Yolo, that was very good mate !

[@jadesluv]

Dave, how about a review of the SDS2000X with the MSO!!!

[@HilltopComputing]

Nice scope! Looks like Saelig (USA) has both the scope and the function generator for sale already. Wonder if there's a backlog of orders?...

[@Denis_Borovik]

Hello! If you do not take into account the number of channels and bandwidth, which is better to choose between ds1054z and ds1102z-e?

[@andymouse]

blimey, just glanced at my watch and its 10:20 on a friday night!

[@michaelhawthorne8696]

Nice review Dave thanks, but will you get a chance to review the SDS1102CML the one with 2Mpts. It's baby brother the SDS1102CNL has 40Kpts ?

[@nishantmittalblog]

Hi Dave. Off topic but didnt know where to ask you so asking over here. I am designing a high speed communication circuit. In the circuit it involves analog to digital conversion. I already designed the system using DAC0808 but since DAC0808 has limit only upto 5Mhz digital input I cant go beyond it. Please give me idea about how do I make it work i.e. DAC operation atleast upto 10Mhz and upto 50Mhz ideally. Thanks in advance

[@robertk7748]

I was able to obtain one. It works well (I'm a novice) but what I find is it does a poor job showing the mV range(solid line) but it may be I have not found the best setting. It is VERY quiet much more quiet than the Rigol. Solid build, know a bit sensitive but acceptable. Also, do not like the measurement displays a they are not separated by their own box/framing. Rather just small text placed under waveform box.

[@RESISTAGE]

2019. I was debating between SDS1104X-E and DS1054z and decided to go with 1104. Thank you.

[@aneeshprasobhan]

but isnt the sds1104x-e costlier ?

[@mosfet500]

You need four channel scopes to decode SPI. (MOSI,MISO,SS,SCK). I wouldn't buy a two channel scope. The other thing is a that new scopes are going to get cheaper as chips improve. So, sure the Siglent looks great, and it is for the price, but watch what happens when the other guys incorporate new technology into their equipment. All this is good for us because we get the cutting edge cheaper and cheaper. I just bought the Keysight 34465a, goes down to 1uA scale - that's pA's I'm looking at. Great for uC low current testing. Thanks for the video Dave, Always the most fun for the buck! Robert

[@DarkFire515]

When I was growing up my dad used to bring home oscilloscopes from work for me to play with. I remember them being about 2 feet long and weighed a tonne. How things change :-) Great video as usual!

[@666Tomato666]

$690 is finally some price I can begin to imagine paying for a scope granted, I don't need it for work, but it is much closer towards my definition of "entry-level"

[@EEVblog]

+666Tomato666 You can get much cheaper scopes. The DS1054Z is only US$399

[@blueslayer99]

+EEVblog My question is what is the sweet spot for most users.

[@EEVblog]

+Infinite Zero No such thing as "most users"

[@666Tomato666]

true, but at 50MHz you'll be rather pushing it when reverse-engineering how, say, USB works

[@neclovek]

+EEVblog My imagination for "entry level" is something like Hantek 6022BE :D I guess i am just really poor... but on the other side, the little hantek scope is all i need and works really good.

[@dietalkaa]

awesome! I have to get one

[@jadesluv]

look at the Siglent SDS2000x. It has has a software upgrades for bandwidth to 300 Mhz, serial triggers, MSO, and function gen.

[@electronash]

+EEVblog - Is the list display possibly showing because it say Display ON (around 40:20 in the vid), even though the Decode mode is Off? I'm not speaking from experience at all here (it will be a long time before I could justify the price of a new 'scope. :p ), I'm just assuming it might be storing the history of the decode after the Decode mode itself is off, but you then have the choice of enabling the history display in the other decode menu? I've often wondered why they don't include realtime / hardware decoding for the common serial formats in ALL 'scopes in this price range these days? Surely it would be something simple enough for them to implement in an FPGA, and that would still include decoding for any part of the captured sample memory? That goes for things like the vector calcs too - it's something that you would think could be done on the FPGA / ASIC side so it doesn't slow down the update rate as much? The acquisition part of these scopes should be kept as separate as possible to the screen display side as well, so I'm not sure why the screen has so much influence over the update rate etc.? It looks like they try to do a bit too much in software these days, and rely on the processing power of the CPU alone to calculate and decode a lot of stuff that could possibly be better served by logic in an FPGA or ASIC? It would be interesting to know what actually goes into designing a modern 'scope, and what trade-offs they often have to make between sample depth, waveform update rate, screen update rate, hardware decoding, bandwidth, response time, UI stuff etc. It must be a nightmare to figure all of that out and test it thoroughly. lol

[@zx8401ztv]

looks very usable to me, but im an old analog scope user so i suppose anything would look good.

[@daveb5041]

It doesn't surprise me that Charles didn't take it out of the box, he never does. When will Charles learn? And who's Charles?

[@BenjaminGoose]

Are those soft buttons really better than a proper 'click' button?

[@matthewrichardson828]

I'm buying this.

[@tubical71]

We now in the era where even we hobby/semiPro EE-folx could easily have more than one DSO...;) when i wanted my first scope the standart CRT-Hameg 2ch/20Mhz was about 1k (DM) new.... Today we talk about 2/4ch 100MHz+ DSOs at roughly half the cost;) and with buildIn hobby-level spectrum analyzer AddOns, for "nuttin" :) :) :) ByTheWaythis is my first EEVBlog video, in where i leave a "thumbsUp" as they are still within the TWO-DIGIT Count....YEA :)

[@bain5872]

+TubiCal I purchased my first scope when I was 17 years old. I paid $750 (a lot of hard work) for it used. I still have it but never use it in favor my prized analog Tek scopes however, I have one DSO and use it more than I'd like to admit due to it's storage capability. Today, young people have an extreme advantage over their counterparts of 30 years ago. They have a world of instant information at their finger tips and very affordable, high tech test equipment available to them. Most of today's DSO's have features that did not exists 30 years ago and the few scopes that could come close, were only available in high tech labs. If only I would have had these options when I was younger.

[@jordanjohnson714]

Does it really take 8W to sit there waiting for someone to press the button?

[@yaghiyahbrenner8902]

I never liked Siglent products, but they seem to have upped their game here.

[@la7yka]

What is the difference between the "EXT" and "EXT/5" -external trigger options in the menu? Also I've not found good information about the video trigger options, with respect to lines. "Line num" seems to trigger on a specific line inside a frame window (which is great btw) in a composite video signal. But I miss more comprehensive details about this feature, as many other features. It's a great scope with a very shallow manual.

[@stephenbarfield3211]

The EXT/5 setting attenuates the external (EXT) input signal by a factor of 5. Say the external trigger signal was 50 volts. It might overload the EXT input so EXT/5 would drop it back to 10 volts.

[@Aeduo]

Crazy the difference in this stuff over time I've been watching your videos. Price per capability has been plummeting during that time. I wonder what we'll be getting in the next 5 years.

[@user-zc8sd8jx8s]

...nothing drastically different :)

[@Aeduo]

@@user-zc8sd8jx8s I guess not, but I haven't really been following since then haha.

[@Billblom]

Thinking back to the warm up time our Tektronix required.... about 3-5 minutes before useful....

[@ThePobolycwm]

Just dropped the bunce on one with the euro distributor :D

[@basspig]

What's with the jaggies on the modulation trace at 18:55?

[@venteotl]

One of the few thing sI still do not like about this oscilloscope is that the cursors does not follow the neither the vertical nor the horizontal controls.

[@FrankenPC]

Yeah. My experience with low end test equipment is the lack of decent firmware QA. Rigol is as low as I'll go for serious test equipment. They do a half way decent job of making sure their firmware works properly. Look at the bugs Dave found. They are obvious and easy to replicate. IMO companies like Siglent just don't take their firmware seriously.

[@peteabc1]

I bought rigol 1054z based on some of your videos and I must thank you..still the best scope for hobbyist (like me). Only thing i'm missing is the 50ohm input switch. And the freq range goes well beyond 100MHz (of course the signal is attenuated). I can see FM stations in FFT view... (I know it should theoretically go to 500MHz and depends more on the analog aa input filters)

[@GeorgeTsiros]

I'd like to see the "youscope" demo on this one.

[@amj047]

what this device do?

[@basspig]

What you save on the price of the Siglent, you'll soon pay out in standby electricity consumption. Nice, thorough review.

[@cbureriu]

What about a Keysight vs Agilent oscilloscope review? I thought would be interesting. Cheers!

[@f.a3202]

keysight is agilent. they just changed their name i think. that's what I've heard

[@shodanxx]

I don't understand what is going on at 23:00 ?? What is the Rigol doing ? How is it measuring the Siglent's update rate ?

[@Maltanx]

it is the trigger output, every bench oscilloscope has it, usually it is a bnc on the back .it outputs a signal every time the oscilloscope gets triggered, in this case the rigol is showing how many times the siglent triggers a signal in a second

[@ZeroRyoko]

HI Dave, Would it be possible for you to do a video on Buying a second hand scope? as someone just starting to experiment with simple circuits i have no idea what all that marketing jargon means. What are the pitfalls for us noobs? what's too good to be true? That sort of thing, maybe go over several bits of different kit that a beginner might need and what to watch out for. Thanks for the vids, they've sparked my interest in electronics.

[@ethanpoole3443]

With these newer entry level digital storage oscilloscopes there is not a whole lot of savings to be found in older used oscilloscopes unless you are willing to settle for an analog oscilloscope. Buying an older digital oscilloscope will often mean sacrificing many very desirable features just to save a couple hours bored dollars. But the biggest pitfall for a beginner shopping for a new oscilloscope is buying too little bandwidth as people often mistake a "50 MHz" oscilloscope as meaning they will be able to make accurate measurements and see higher superimposed noise and glitches on the 47MHz waveform they are seeking to analyze -- also ensure that the sample rate is high enough (4x+) to reasonably begin to capture your intended waveform in a single shot (for example, a 1GS/sec oscilloscope will never be able to properly approximate a waveform greater than 250MHz, and to see actual noise or glitches at such frequencies will require even greater sampling rates).

[@EEVblog]

+Zero Ryoko I could do that. The question though is always what is your budget and your requirements. i.e. are you after the best analog bandwidth, the best bang-per-buck, 4 channels, what? At the low price end, there is probably little point going 2nd hand. But if you were looking at spending a few thousand, then there are some good 2nd hand options.

[@vapenation7061]

200mhz 2-channel sds1202x-e or 50(100)mhz 4-channel ds1054z (about the same price, the siglent is ~30 bucks more expensive)? i'm a beginner and this would be my first scope ever.

[@aneeshprasobhan]

I'm having the same dilemma, what did you go with in the end?

[@DanielPerez-ls1rw]

A year later but here I am asking myself the same question. What did you choose and why?

[@tango9944]

Nice video EEVblog, what are the difference between SDS1202X and SDS1202X-E ?

[@johnyang799]

all the difference. get the -E.

[@guitarrelic]

Hmmm, I'm looking at the TRIO site right now and the price shows as $1022.00 Ex GST. Our dollar hasn't devalued that much in 3 months. Disappointed. :-( Regards, Brad.

[@qzorn4440]

ok ok, i have a siglent and so far so good, at least for hobby stuff 🤩 also. i think you get more creative in troubleshooting with less pricey equipment 😎 thanks

[@benadams6332]

Looks like an excellent scope for the money. Rigol needs to up their game if they want to remain the king of cheap scopes. The whole waveforms/sec is turning into wank though. Not that important for most usage as long as its reasonably fast. Same with intensity grading.

[@marceltimmers1290]

Hi mate.What no teardown? ; )

[@Arek_R.]

So, there will be no teardown? :(

[@bain5872]

+Arek R. This was a pre release loner from a friend. He said he hoped to have one soon for a tear down.

[@ragnor0k]

So tempted by one of these. Around £350 for the siglent, rigol ds1054 is £370 or the ds2052 is around £600 (and outside my budget). Originally I was looking at the owon scopes but you vid on them put me right off. The four channels of the rigol is tempting but the screen and dpo swings me to the siglent. Decisions, decisions.

[@waqastabassam1428]

I know it's been a long time since your comment... which scope did you eventually decide on getting? I have the same issue with screen of the siglent vs the four channels of the rigol!

[@ragnor0k]

I bought the four channel Rigol. I would have liked the bigger screen. But I'm always telling the junior engineers at work to use more channels on their scope to view more and better under stand what is happening in complex systems. I get really frustrated when an engineer has a four channel scope at their disposal and only ever seem to use one channel!!!! grr! If I'm honest I think I made the right decision, For the money it's a very good scope. my only critisms are like Dave said the fan is very loud and measurements take up a lot of space. But on the flip side it is handy to have the measurement function so accessible. Oh and I wish it could remember the same settings every time i turn it one. Hope this helps

[@Spiderelectron]

"3PO" In a starwars opening-credits style for a logo!

[@jimthvac100]

Can get the Siglent SDS1202X-E 200Mhz now for $ 379 (At time of this posting) With its Features it kind of makes the $319 SDS1102CML not worth the money compared to what you get for only $60.00 more.

[@jensharbers6702]

I work in an Electronic lab for medicine devices. Most part of your scopes are 200Mhz (Well with proper Gs/sec), but we're mostly using 20Mhz at best. And for an entry level (I'm about to buy the 1202X-E also) or normal Hobby user this Siglent is fine. It has it's disadvantages, but remember, 380 Bucks for an good working oscilloscope. Yeah, you can easily go better (Pico scope 5000series, R&S RTM3004 with 10bit), but the prices are going up exponential. In my opinion the Siglent is a good "home and hobby" use scope. Also it is suitable for measurements for car sensors (crankshaft and camshaft position sensor signals, PWM's etc.).

[@aneeshprasobhan]

@@jensharbers6702 but don't you think that 4 channels would be more useful in dealing with microcontrollers and stuff ?

[@sunuk1915]

Please do top 10 under $500us 4channel oscilloscope review

[@paulcollins2236]

Lovely Scope,I wouldn't call it low end cheap for me that's expensive, in fact my SDS 1102 CNL was expensive in my eye's, which I suppose you'd call bargain basement

[@EEVblog]

+Paul Collins I've odne a video looking at scope prices over the last 30 years or so. The traditional entry level price for a basic dual channel has always been about $800 (not adjusted for inflation, so more expensive back then). So yes, scopes today are cheap.

[@MauriatOttolink]

Paul Collins In your eye's WHAT?

[@xboxlive6]

I was thinking of picking up a DS1054Z, I might have changed my mind.

[@freddykrueger5503]

+NZ SNIPER Did you indeed go with the Siglent over the Rigol? For me the Rigol (unlocked) seems to offer the better bargain. Plus its 4 channels.

[@xboxlive6]

***** No, I didn't buy any oscilloscope. At the time of the comment I was thinking of getting more into my hardware hobby. Right now I am still trying to get in to IT programming.

[@freddykrueger5503]

Sounds like you're all over the place.

[@xboxlive6]

***** I interpreted some advise to land a job that incorporates elements from various fields to make yourself less 'replaceable', and it seems like a good idea. e.g electro-mechanical.

[@freddykrueger5503]

No matter what field you are in, you are always replaceable. The key is to always pick up new skills in any job no matter what industry you are in. If you find yourself stagnating in a job skills wise, its time to move on.

[@nomeanlol]

Velocity control on a rotary encoder knob is not easy to get right

[@FormulaXFD]

It's almost the "airbus" of scopes. Something that comes in right at the middle of two families.

[@xotmatrix]

Forget the 'scope, I want that calculator.

[@SirBunghole]

Maybe now Rigol will adjust their prices on the 200MHz down to something more reasonable.

[@jfcrow1]

+flopticalcube You Get what you pay for. This instrument really does not compare to the Rigol 2000 series. 800x480 vs 800x600 display resolution. I could go on.

[@SirBunghole]

The Rigol is (probably) better but not 3X better.

[@EEVblog]

+flopticalcube On sample rate alone, yes, the Rigol is a better scope. It comes down to bang-per-buck.

[@gotj]

The Rigol DS2000 is also 800*480 (not 800*600), and the DS4000, and even the DS6000, they just have got bigger LCDs but not any more pixels.

[@Granite]

I just realized the videos I watch are super esoteric...

[@Granite]

***** I put my pants on BOTH legs at a time.

[@OneBiOzZ]

also i would not call more than half the claimed bandwidth when both channels are active a fail XP

[@wolfgangbeginners-mind2853]

Is the software as quirky as the Rigol 2072? Mine is as reliable as windows...Or a good Security Guard.. i/e-> Locks Up with alarming regularity...

[@borisdg]

Please, tear it down!

[@AbdulAziz-ly2vs]

good sir

[@clems6989]

The SDS1202X on Amazon right now &379.00 !!! That is a steal !!

[@frankl1955]

As long as your SN doesn’t have a BA in it. Amazon was selling defective units as late as Feb-Mar 18 last I heard.

[@MrRobbyvent]

We have to check before if in the last four years these devices were surpassed in price over quality by new contenders.

[@aneeshprasobhan]

@@frankl1955 whats a BA ?

[@Mickice]

Why so late? Should we be worried Dave?

[@user-lp2op9uu1w]

Wow, I like it! Even a poor student like me can afford it!

[@TheExcessiveDose]

The frequency measurement on the bottom of the screen completely fails with the second channel enabled @ 47:08

[@gigabytex64]

Can someone please tell me how to wire up th 3 wire digital volt meters, I know 1 black wire is for negative 1 red wire is forpower and 1blue wire is for signal. I need it to measure from 1 to 30 volts on my adjustable regulator but the wire for lighting up the display the red wire needs 3 -15v. I am at an impasse at the moment can anyone tell me of a video or some explanation. Please

[@ethanpoole3443]

The display will require its own dedicated power source at whatever voltage (or within a range of voltage) it's documentation specifies. Most likely the negative lead will be a common ground with whatever voltage you are trying to measure (as well as the negative for the meter's own power source) and the sense wire would then be the positive side of the voltage you are measuring. The backlighting can run off the same dedicated power supply that powers the meter itself provided the voltage is appropriate for both the meter and backlight. With a variable output supply the meter can not be reliably powered by the regulated output you are trying to measure, hence it will require a dedicated power source of its own. However, is your meter compatible with a 30V input? Some may require a resistor divider network to map higher voltages to a lower voltage (usually in 10x decades, as in map 0-30 to 0-3) and then simply move the decimal point to map the lower voltage to its higher voltage.

[@gigabytex64]

+Ethan Poole The input for the AC-DC converter with adjustable out put has to be between .5v - 39v And I am running a multitap transformer with 34, 27.5, 24, 20, 17.5, 15, 12 volt outputs plus the 0v. But this limits the ability to run the 3 wire digital display that requires 3 - 18 volts for the display power.

[@ethanpoole3443]

+gigabytex64 You just need to add a simple 5V (or 6,8,9,12 or 15, your choice) linear regulator, such as a 7805, off one of the lower voltage taps that powers your panel meter. Then let your AC-DC converter regulate your variable output and attach the sense wire to the converter's positive output. Is the 39V figure an AC voltage for the regulator's input (I am assuming so)? If so then your high tap at 34VAC is perfectly fine so long as your mains voltage is not too high, but if that were a rectified DC figure then the peak voltage of a rectified 34VAC tap will potentially exceed 48VDC (34x1.41) when the transformer is lightly loaded -- just something to be aware of when rectifying AC voltages. When using the AC-DC converter there is no real advantage to the multiple taps other than the one lower voltage tap for powering the panel meter. Multi-tap transformers are typically a way to optimize linear DC regulators by reducing power dissipation at lower voltages. Good luck!

[@gigabytex64]

+Ethan Poole Thanks, you are correct as the AC is 39 but my converted and regulated voltage is sitting on 35 volt DC. so it would be fine to place the sense wire on the regulated 35v and just run a separate tap rectify and regulate it for the negative and positive for the power on the meter !.

[@marstyn1962]

Bought one of the SDS 1102CML models a couple years ago. Worked fine when I first started it up. Haven't used it since. Started it up a couple days ago and it won't do a thing! Its locked in "ARMED" mode. None of the control buttons work! What a piece of JUNK!!

[@johnbatchler8551]

this is what we get for importing Chinese electronic test equipment a second hand

[@idiotwithasolderingiron]

Just picked one up end of 2019 for 340 Yankee bucks

[@idiotwithasolderingiron]

@Mdmchannel It's a great upgrade from a USB scopes

[@crustyHO]

Finally O-scopes are getting somewhat affordable!

[@crustyHO]

+CrustyHO I thought we was supposed to have flying cars by now, instead we have really expensive equipment that has been around since the 1950s.

[@jrmym2]

+CrustyHO We have flying cars... they're called planes.

[@crustyHO]

jrmym2 no, those are planes, they don't drive down roads.

[@jrmym2]

CrustyHO Planes don't need roads... and where we're going, we don't need roads...

[@xboxlive6]

+jrmym2 But what about the solar roadway.

[@RobB_VK6ES]

Wait until the software bugs are squashed and go for the 100MHz model. Hmmmm sounds like a plan. I was actually waiting for the face palm fail moment based on the performance of their 51/2 digit bench meter and rusty chassis history.

[@DrJackJeckyl]

1000X?! CRIKEY!

[@yurkshirelad]

I prefer the design and UI of the Rigol but I just bought a Siglent. The Rigol is too expensive now for what it is.

[@ainttakenanyshit]

I had a Rigol DS1202Z-E for about two weeks and the design of using only ONE set of vertical controls, accessible by having to press ANOTHER button, was just plain DUMB.... I had also discovered that the ground level reference of each channel would "jump up" ~20 MV when ANY vertical change was made to the other channel which showed a severe flaw in the design of this "ONE VERTICAL CONTROL SET BULLSHIT". Rigol stated they reported this bug for correction which has been over six months ago and STILL no FW revision change from the time this bug was reported. Evidently they are happy with this channel interaction being present and have not decided it was important enough to fix it.... I just ordered this scope's upgraded revision - Siglent SDS1202X-E - and expect it to perform well....

[@zmast333]

First impressions... 1h video :)

[@anthonybeers]

What is with EEs and caring if there is fan noise. Go build a radio or something.

[@EdEditz]

But will it work with a 45 degree tongue angle?? :)

[@frankhovis]

The wife does.

[@EdEditz]

@@frankhovis LOL :D

[@godfreypoon5148]

Super Phosphor Oscilloscope? Is that phosphor..... Siglent Green??

[@adamt7667]

Methinks SPO is their marketing wank for the intensity grading

[@OK40716]

Dave,could you speak it a bit slow:)

[@KUPHSER]

hello friends, i would really appreciate some honest, professional advice. if any of you can help me it would be greatly appreciated! i have been producing electronic music for a long time and i have always been fascinated by looking at wave forms as i am making edits to sounds. ive used many software oscilloscopes but im not satisfied, the waves dont seem to "flow" like they do with these external units. i will only be using it to see waves im generating with various sound sources and nothing more. i know for me a software one is fine but its also a novelty thing... when it comes to sound i am a fully blown nerd! with that in mind, would it be safe to assume i only need to buy a cheap-ish one? what would be a reasonably priced oscilloscope for me? i would be prepared to pay up to $500 as i will most defiantly use it for life... but for this application if a cheap one is all i need then please let me know.!thank you!

[@andrew_koala2974]

Can you definitely define defiantly ?

[@tkarlmann]

Dave: were you expecting anyone but you to follow this episode? You twiddle knobs on one scope, then comment on the waveforms on the other! Yes, I finally, sort of, figured out what you were doing, but krikey, you could have done a MUCH better job of explaining what you were doing! Oh, and BTW, you completely MISSED perhaps the biggest difference between the Rigol and the Siglent -- namely that horrible glare on the face of the Siglent screen! EVERYONE buying the Siglent is going be acutely aware of that glare, and you didn't even mention it! We could all see reflections from the black areas of the Siglent screen.

[@smldis]

Is not Nyquist sampling minimum limit 2x?

[@EEVblog]

+Samuele Disegna Yes, but that's just to prevent aliasing. To get a usable signal out of a typical response scope front end with SinX/x interpolation you need x4

[@smldis]

+EEVblog Ah, tought sinx/x interp can do better. Is it a trade off with computing power?

[@smldis]

+EEVblog sorry I was commenting just before all the tests about it. :)

[@ethanpoole3443]

+Samuele Disegna If you do a bit of a thought experiment one may realize that to determine the zero crossover points and estimate the amplitude will require at least 2 samples per half-cycle, or 4 samples per cycle/Hertz being sampled. Of course that is just to reproduce an estimate of the waveform, those 4 sample points will not render any detail with respect to higher frequency components superimposed on your waveform because there is no extra data available to capture those intermediate deviations.

[@gabiold]

2x to reproduce the frequency in sine wave. All waves are the sum of sine waves, so if you see a 200 MHz-looking wave on the screen which is "sharper than" a sine, then it contains higher frequency components than 200 MHz.

[@virgenfj]

Sexiest oscilloscope I've seen!

[@MauriatOttolink]

virgen virgen. Well the superb device is so light that if you dropped it on your foot, you wouldn't be shagged nor would the 1202.

[@GeorgeTsiros]

Another advantage of CROs over DSOs: No goddamn firmware bugs ruining perfectly good hardware >:|

[@raguaviva]

Really, isn't this oscilloscope thing being a bit repetitive?