EFAP

[@EveryFrameAPause]

Howdy there folks! The plan was originally set in place to stream the second part of this the following day and to do so, would require basically no sleep on my end to get the video coverage ready but also some trouble for the guests. We did it though! Everyone was awake and ready, the video was rendered and uploaded, all was well... until I was informed by KZbin that the video simply wouldn't process. Unfortunate since choosing to reupload would still take 2 hours and that would mean Metal wouldnt be able to talk about later portions of the game, so we opted to find the next best time for everyone and that means Wednesday! Hopefully this is a blessing in disguise as we can think on the story a lil more and get super well rested o/ The Saturday to come will indeed cover Ragnarok criticism... I am compiling things and my god... you guys... I have such sights to show thee. See you there...

[@clintbeastwood5116]

I've already seen some stuff... and my goodness.

[@seagullsays5831]

So if I'm correct we're going to be getting some Remarkable Republican type hilarity but with a guy who is completely sincere in what they're saying? I am greatly looking forward to Saturday lmao.

[@jakebobenrieth709]

It's gonna be a blast can't wait to see it Mauler and I also can't wait to see... The Ragnarok Criticism Video, I wonder whose videos are gonna be talked about?.........synthetic man.....

[@samwallaceart288]

"Ragnarök is too woke" and "Ragnarök hates women" back to back, LET'S GO

[@AuXiiLia]

Can't wait to see you guys cover Synthetic Man, his video was.... truly something to behold.

[@ClobberingSocks]

*Mauler, Rag’s, Fringy and Metal* “I love GoW Ragnarok” *Theo* “I’m not really a fan of GoW Ragnarok” *Marc* “Fuck Callisto Protocol”

[@nawinrueangsungnoen3243]

I agree with Marc

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

Callisto Protocol is litteral perfection or at least it will be ............ when it fit's a Wo * explosion*

[@zeporion6091]

Fucking based

[@jasonnewbery]

You can tell Theo is just one of those dudes who literally finds fault in absolutely everything. Which who would want to live like that? He probably never smiles lol

[@ClobberingSocks]

@@jasonnewberyHey Theo’s great, so what if he’s a bit of a cynic he’s got his fair share of good takes and he’s a valued member of the toxic brood, no Theo slander in my comment thread lmao

[@SaintMaxxi]

I absolutely love the shit out of this format. Unlike shows and movies, you can ACTUALLY show what you want to show without worrying of the copyright bullshit.

[@meris8486]

Video games are a superior medium

[@AimlessSavant]

​@@meris8486 Markafterdark: "The Superior Master. Angle."

[@beircheartaghaistin2332]

A minor thought I had. I noticed that throughout the game, Kratos is very stern in how he speaks to Svanna and Speki. Freya even makes comments about how Kratos treats them and about how she doesn't approve of his coldness towards them. The girls are constantly whining, so Kratos and Freya kill the raiders they thought the wolves were afraid of only to realise that they were actually afraid of Kratos. Anyway. I always wondered why Kratos spoke to the wolves as if he hated them, and then it clicked. At one point Kratos told Freya of spartan training. He told her that their elders beat them until they couldn't stand and at night, were left to return home alone... or be food for the wolves. Is this, like, a mini arc for Kratos, or am I just putting odd pieces together?

[@thatwaygaming8679]

It is an interesting observation. It was almost like an ingrained prejudice that even he didn't think about or address until he was directly made aware of it.

[@toddstone230]

Even if it wasn't intentional. I love that it still fits

[@rudolfambrozenvtuber]

"He's too damn tall now. I blame you" Marvel humor my ass, that's something my granddad would say

[@Nick-wo3vi]

Fringy's "Australia is hot" rant further confirms that Australia really is the mythical hell world we've come to expect.

[@muninnsays9296]

Can confirm, people in the centre live underground to escape the heat. Literally Dwarves.

[@sekijokes451]

I'm convinced that it's where the blades of chaos were made canonically.

[@scottski02]

@@sekijokes451 Would that make the Pits of Tartarus Melbourne?

[@sekijokes451]

@@scottski02 Pretty much. Plus Fringy is clearly a genetic offshoot of a Harpy.

[@jasonnewbery]

Have you seen the abominations that come from there?! Its literally like a different dimension lmao

[@JulianDoe]

Timestamps 0:00 Doctor Moments & Godness 1:15 Intro Or No Intro? 1:40 Intro 6:00 A Little Blurb 16:28 What To Expect? 17:32 Beginning 28:11 Freya 38:33 The Music 43:46 Back Home 48:03 The Wolf 53:47 Training 1:02:46 Mimir 1:04:09 Faye 1:10:15 Looking for Atreus 1:19:38 A Father Figure 1:25:00 Consequences 1:26:32 Thor 1:35:44 Odin 1:50:37 Kratos vs Thor (1) 1:55:46 Death 2:07:12 Kratos vs Thor (2) 2:20:14 Trust 2:22:10 Ragnarok 2:25:57 Sindri & Brok 2:35:14 Moving Between Places 2:46:28 Durlin 2:51:00 Battle Music 2:54:00 Tyr 3:11:12 A Mistake 3:13:50 Mission 3:21:57 The Big Snake 3:28:15 Freya & Atreus (1) 3:30:25 PANIC 3:38:52 Freya & Atreus (2) 3:43:09 Sindri & The Soul Parts 3:47:05 Dinner 3:56:31 The Squirrel 4:00:34 Something Strange 4:02:11 Various Scenes 4:05:34 Music 4:16:15 The Light 4:22:18 The Prophecy 4:24:44 The Bridge 4:26:44 The Chimes 4:28:44 Dinner 4:34:10 The Dream 4:39:14 Angrboda 5:18:23 The Soul 5:27:34 The Giant Gran 5:42:08 Music 5:44:38 Secrets 5:47:26 Freya 5:59:14 Game Awards 6:06:30 The Southern Wilds 6:12:11 Music 6:13:00 No Mercy 6:14:07 Brok 6:18:15 Freyr 6:23:34 An Old Story 6:33:15 Music 6:34:10 Kratos & Freya 7:00:44 Freyr & Freya 7:04:33 The Importance of Being Brok 7:05:54 Freyr & Freya (analysis) 7:08:14 Kratos & Freya 7:09:49 Optional Freya Material 7:16:28 Going to Asgaard 7:24:42 Skjoldr & The Wall 7:27:57 Heimdall 7:43:43 Intermission 7:51:17 Odin 8:07:07 Thrud 8:12:58 The Rift 8:18:28 Thor 8:35:41 A Mission 8:38:45 Kratos’ Plan 8:41:59 Freya & Tyr 8:43:30 Ratatosk 8:44:20 To The Norms 8:49:53 Facing Insecurities 8:56:49 The Norms 9:05:12 Protect Atreus 9:09:08 Play-through 9:11:08 Kill Heimdall (1) 9:12:14 Checking on Theo 9:13:43 Kill Heimdall (2) 9:16:20 The Ring 9:19:29 Different Approaches 9:20:41 The Travel (1) 9:28:47 Health Check 9:32:32 The Travel (2) 9:33:57 The Spear 9:40:30 The Blessing 9:45:52 Death 9:47:37 Odin 9:59:50 Preparation 10:05:20 History 10:06:36 Dream 10:20:20 Closing

[@peterb5235]

Thank you! This must've taken a lot of diligence and I don't feel like you've had enough appreciation for doing it. Kind of you amigo

[@atom_gray]

cheers... 🍻

[@terrarune]

I really appreciate you doing this

[@jayslade]

Not all heroes wear capes...

[@JulianDoe]

@@jayslade thank you

[@gottesurteil3201]

I love how the plan to kill Heimdall is to make him sperg out from too much stimulus.

[@Tyarrk]

yeah, the only other time i saw something like that was in some superhero comic where the villain, who could telekinetecly control glass (or something like that), was defeated by exploding a glass house on him.

[@jasonnewbery]

In DLC you use a laptop and show him Pornhub. He literally explodes

[@gingeranagram2467]

It's called autism 👍

[@calhof991]

Mauler: “Thank you for changing my life.” Mimir: “I’m literally a severed head, laddie.”

[@imperielgenecist1317]

And mauler is a gas mask on wheels lol

[@toastytoast9800]

@@imperielgenecist1317 no, thats mooler, mauler is a long tentacle man

[@imperielgenecist1317]

@@toastytoast9800 eh, tomato tomato

[@VVEGA2940]

​@@toastytoast9800So, is MooLer like a Stand or a Devil Trigger or something? Or is it some other unfathomably incomprehensible cosmic entity? I'm not too familiar with all the deep EFAP lore.

[@DiZtheJedi]

1:38:40 In Ragnarok, Mimir is actually Celtic. Or at least, he seems to be. He describes himself as having served a king in a distant land before coming to Midgard and eventually meeting Odin and falling into his service. And the Norns refer to Mimir as "Puck" - most well known from A Midsummer Night's Dream - which would mean that the king he references is Oberon, King of the Fae and husband to Queen Titania, both also from the play. Puck, Oberon, and Titania all come from Celtic mythology.

[@samuelrichards5521]

Not to mention he straight up told the story of Macbeth at one point

[@thunderhammer7]

He also says (optional dialogue, I believe) that he came from an island nation, that he traveled to many lands and whenever he needs to flee that he flees north, he knows what a kelpie is, he tells myths from the British Isles, he talks about frolicking in the forest with faeries at one point. They have so many references that they say it without explicitly saying it.

[@egomania2792]

Not to mention that Sigrun chastizes Mimir during the Nornir vision section on not helping Titania.

[@2ndlegend125]

I think going to the Celt Lands would be a good place to go next or after Egypt. I think a good arc to go on for those pantheons is having the Romans (remnants of the Greek with Athena/Terra as its leader) invading those lands and Kratos and Atreus have to defend against them. It can also allow Kratos and Atreus to be directly confronted with the past that Kratos has moved beyond but hasn't forgotten him.

[@ilanjaffe6463]

I think he brings up Nimue at one dialogue point,so may be hinting at him being a version of Merlin

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

"All the Sonic fans, whether in prison or not..." - I love you Rags sometimes.

[@clintbeastwood5116]

Fuck. I just realized. When Atreus offers Tyr the spear and he rejects it, thinking it's a walking stick, there's something that I noticed. The first time Atreus goes to Asgard, Odin is using his spear as a walking stick.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

🫢

[@C1umsyJester]

I gotta imagine that’s Odin just being like “hehe I’m so much smarter than them they won’t even pick up on this”

[@clintbeastwood5116]

@b5gtf Oh, absolutely. Also, Odin being framed by the two spears is probably more foreshadowing since both Odin and Tyr are depicted with spears on the murals. The developers knew exactly what they were doing.

[@smiguli8851]

Man this stream made me appreciate how nice it is to be able to play full clips uninterrupted for context. I wish one day we'll be able to reach this level with movies and TV as well.

[@wordbearer8202]

Outside of enjoyment this Isn't any different from how they treat other media.

[@AndreAConquerorII]

Absolutely this. The first couple of uninterrupted clips of several tens of seconds each, unironically made me go "Woah, they are really pushing it with copyright!", only then remembering this isn't an issue with videogames. It makes commentary such a better experience, rather than shouting/pausing a clip every 2 fucking seconds..

[@StupidWeb]

@@wordbearer8202they’re talking about how they’re playing long clips of scenes without having to pause every 2 seconds

[@Se05239]

Whoever's playing Freya made such an awesome work at making her sound like a super angry hateful hag through the start of the game. You can almost touch that resentment for Kratos.

[@samuelrichards5521]

Then Theo who hates all simply has to add “Nuh uh don’t feel it”

[@volutedosprey4396]

Me: you seem like a long and reasonable stream. are you long and reasonable? EFAP: if the media we cover calls for long. Me: yeah, I'd say GOWR calls for long. yeah

[@Zeddyboi86]

4:20:24. The use of Faye's song here is fantastic. It's almost like a Siren's song calling to Kratos, which gets cut off when Atreus brings him back to reality. SO GOOD!!! :)

[@samwallaceart288]

I'm just happy we got a story that unironically has _a dad tells his son a bedtime story_ as a pivotal scene. Men get all the representation, SURE, but I can't remember the last time someone actually bothered to show a healthy dad/son relationship that isn't the setup to a punchline. You don't see it post-2016, that's for sure. Comforting that GoW:R and HotD both came out with the bombshell "Hey by the way, dads can actually be good (sometimes)"

[@ChallengeIdeas]

A game that reflects how fathers are super important to their children, and how strong men can have a positive impact on their world? Sounds like everything a lot of guys have been clamoring for-- Oh, they're busy carrying on about how Kratos has become too wholesome and isn't destroying everything with his toxic rage. Never mind.

[@samwallaceart288]

@@ChallengeIdeas Genuinely wanna see loltyler1 play this game. On one hand he'd be going "not alpha enough" but on the other hand I think he'd really enjoy it

[@adamtheriault6743]

@@samwallaceart288 he did play it, has a full playthrough on KZbin

[@samwallaceart288]

@@adamtheriault6743 . . . YES!! My man

[@perpetual_suffering1458]

@@ChallengeIdeas bro theres like a whole section of the internet whailing in pain about how the "SJW's" have destroyed GOW and how kratos has been demasculated. Its amazing to me how people think kratos is less of a man because hes become a good role model to his son and isnt a mass murderer anymore

[@ajanis95]

Somehting I also only just realized. The entire Form vs Nature discussion plays VERY well into the concern Kratos and Mimir have about him repeating his past. Because the form of it does seem to be the same, he's back to fighting gods, attacking pantheons and so on. But its the nature. Before it was revenge. Now it's to save someone who CAN be saved. Later after Brok dies he first thinks it's back to revenge but Kratos realizes it's more, it's truly about justice and preventing more harm being caused, as opposed to his attack on Olympus which was purely for himself and he didn't care how much collaterol there was. Edit: I don't think the guys mentioned this but if they did, whoops.

[@J0hn5mi7h42]

Insane how ProZD was asked to write his own lines and he came up with this stuff. What a lad

[@matthewmason7792]

I think one of my favourite little details regarding this game is during the first scene with Odin. When he’s talking to and about Kratos he doesn’t react. He asks questions and looks at Odin Judgementally as he’s making his attempts to command respect from the god of war but Kratos doesn’t raise a single hand or moves a muscle… until his son is brought up. Every time Odin points at, talks about or to or even that hand on the shoulder. Every move towards Atreus is met with Kratos slowly placing a hand on his axe as if to say non verbally “I don’t want to fight or kill another god… but if you go near or hurt my boy I will not be responsible for what happens next.” It’s just a really good detail that adds more to how far he’s willing to go to ensure his son’s safety. Man loves his boy.

[@stijnvandenheuvel8117]

Great detail. Personal favourite of mine is the Norns calling Kratos 'Cruel Striker' as one of his names, because that's actually one of the translations of Farbauti (Loki's father). It just shows that they cared about respecting the mythology, even when they change things.

[@calhof991]

7:40:00 This interaction also proves that Heimdall isn’t nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Sure he can see your intentions, but he also takes those intentions at face value and acts on the knowledge he gleans immediately without examining it deeper, using it as a cheap tool to lord over others. Odin looks deeper. He knows what Atreus’ intentions are, and he knows how to twist those intentions to suit his goals, and that simple application of strategy over brute force absolutely baffles Heimdall. He doesn’t get the memo that Odin is using him, he doesn’t catch on and play along, despite the audience picking it up immediately.

[@saylosrelyks8645]

Thor became my favorite character in the game due to how realistic and human he was, not to mention Ryan Hurst has such a beastly voice and Richard Schiff was perfect as Odin lol Heimdall: "He means to betray you." Odin: "Is that true Loki? Are you a little trickster?" Atreus: "Ah uh" Odin: "I'm just messing around"

[@crimsonking440]

Rags, a dog - "Man, losing a dog is ruff" How did everyone just let him get away with that

[@toastytoast9800]

he can't keep getting away with it!

[@DJprofessorK]

1:01:38 but that was Marc

[@thatwaygaming8679]

My question becomes how is this fake out death different from batman arkham asylum's fake out? Also can we just appreciate not only that Brok gave the blessing and that Kratos asked, but that Brok didn't swear, didn't crack a joke, and didn't make an innuendo. He took it 100% seriously and gave the kind of blessing anyone would be more than proud to have on their weapon

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

I really appreciated the "and may it be put down when it's job is done." Line. It's innocuous, but means so much on Kratos's weapon. It show Brok genuinely believes that Kratos has changed, that he can stop when it's done this time. Most people would see Kratos, his past, and what he's doing and get swept away in the blood and honor and glory of it all. But Brok is not an idiot. He can see the whole picture and knows how much Kratos wants to change, and says the line with as much belief as the others.

[@lukew6725]

"This thing isn't actually a problem because other thing does it"

[@thatwaygaming8679]

@lukew6725 more like, "is the fake out death in arkham asylum poorly done because it removes player control as well?"

[@Bleeds98]

I really appreciate the character design of both Thor and Odin. Thor is pretty accurate to the mythology, where he's described as being huge and having an enormous appetite with red hair. And yes, he's a drunk. Only difference is, he's smarter here than in the myth. Odin though, personality wise actually isn't too far off. He was even a bit of backstabber in the myth. The only thing is, he usually walks the world as a tall man who dresses exactly as he does in this game.

[@chokabitch9342]

Me when I lie:

[@trunksbriefs4132]

Odin is surprising accurate in a sense, he's described by Jackson Crawford (in his translation of the Poetic Edda) as a selfish and anxious figure that's in the pursuit of knowledge and wisdom to postpone or avoid his fate at Ragnarok. He manipulates humans in Midgard to fight so they can be transported to Valhalla by the Valkyries after death and be used as his army for the coming battle. He is even named as "Killer". In Ragnarok he has such a disarming demeanor and is so unassuming, as you can see from his place in Asgard it's not some gaudy palace and it's all for the purpose of being seen as a modest figure. Very complicated, cunning, scheming and manipulative. Lies over lies and sometimes it's the truth but represented with a false intention. Makes the typical benevolent portrayal of Odin like in Marvel's Thor movies look like a joke.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@trunksbriefs4132 I enjoy Jackson Crawford looking at these games and just kinda enjoying the interpretation cause he knows all these things are open to adaptation and interpretation anyway as they should be. Meanwhile the internet "experts" show up and start contradicting each other to explain why it's bad that things didn't happen exactly like the myths, like anyone was expecting it would.

[@nickvitantonio5174]

Someone should take the original Godfather poster and edit it for Odin and call it the Allfather.

[@DiZtheJedi]

I swear, I've seen that somewhere.

[@LonkTheLegend37]

Theo: I hate it bc it makes the player think that they're dead but they're not Everyone: That is literally the fun thing about it

[@kianrodriguez4455]

Ngl, I have no idea how he didn't understand this

[@Zlittlepenguin]

@@kianrodriguez4455 I get where he’s coming from. It can be a little confusing/frustrating to feel like you lost for no reason and then feel like it was cheap when it turns out to be fake. I just don’t necessarily agree with it.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@Zlittlepenguin The annoying thing to him is that it's scripted. I don't particularly mind it

[@russman9988]

Odin is played by Richard Schiff (and the portrayal here actually looks like him). He's great character actor and has been in many, many big movies & shows like Se7en, Man of Steel, West Wing and on and on. His characterization and delivery here are great.

[@Tyarrk]

i actually like this version of Odin (in terms of depiction) better than the marvel one, where he basically came of as just a quest giver most of the time. well, either that or he just didn´t leave a big enough impression on me to remember his role properly.

[@goodhunter9791]

Game lost a tone of points for me the second Kratos lost that bomb ass fur cloak lol Was so mad about that cuz of how cool it looked!

[@TheSSBBfan666]

someone made a mod for PS4 to egt it back

[@wushiba]

@@TheSSBBfan666 That sounds cool! Do you know the name of that mod or do you happen to have a link to it?

[@TheSSBBfan666]

@@wushiba I do not, but imure you could find a video on it.

[@kingrippzard2027]

One of true pitfalls of this game

[@ProjectRedfoot]

A tone of points!

[@NormieNerddom]

5:10:00 "If we run into Gryla, don't do anything rash." Oh no, honey, after she just made me listen to a doggo's pained and tortured screams, I'm going to destroy her.

[@Senpaiaproves]

Right?!

[@aqua96870]

Who else is terrified that Amazon is adapting God of War into a show?

[@DiZtheJedi]

As terrified as knowing that Disney - I think - has the rights to Eragon and is making a show.

[@scottski02]

Can't wait to watch Kratos get the Jake Skywalker/Mister Cheeks treatment

[@stijnvandenheuvel8117]

Anyone that even approaches being a God of War fan should be terrified of that knowledge.

[@KME4698]

I'm worried they'll mess it up, but prime has made some good shows. I only hope that Sony and Santa Monica studios will use their influence to uphold a high standard of writing and production. When it comes to movies Sony usually doesn't play around, but Amy Pascal gets most of the credit for that (Spider-Man franchise producer).

[@stijnvandenheuvel8117]

@@KME4698 I believe the guy responsible for Wheel of Time will also be responsible for God of War.

[@tozu777]

At the part you guys are at where Kratos is checking the training area. Later in the game he references a Spartans' lifestyle of constantly training, fighting, surviving and very often dying, he never mentions how they would mourn or grieve. Because dying in battle was an honor and looked on fondly for men. That when he finally has a break from the raging tide of war and losing everything that he himself has lost all meaning of his life and just drifts. Now Kratos can only train his son as it was the duty of men to prepare them for fighting but anything else it seems was left to the mother. So helping others emotionally, for a warrior, was training to never lose anything else. That last sentence was the main reason for this comment but I wound up typing more than expected between the first two and the last one.

[@btn6]

2:07:48 Did Mauler just forget about the Gravedigger? The way he says that Kratos just 'climbs right out' of Hades implies that Kratos did it himself. Without the Gravedigger, implied to be Zeus in disguise, Kratos was done.

[@yusiuc5533]

God of War did what Marvel cannot do, make a badass fat Thor.

[@samuelpuffer7157]

Now now, he's husky.

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

Thor in this game has the body of a power lifter. His stomach and chest are not saggy and lack any jiggle. Real lifters don't look like the roided out, super cut, body builders you see at competitions... They look like this Thor. Now they CAN look like the leaner athletes like Zeus in the older games, but I feel like the differences is with Greek athleticism and Norse... The Greek were athletes, they invented the Olympics... Wrestling, running, throwing... Full body workouts on the regular. The Norse had to survive in much harsher weather and environment. Harsh winters, less food, more hardiness required, less free time to do sports. The Norse people needed strength to survive and for combat. Thor is built to embody that hardiness. Its function over form.

[@cronos4040]

On the argument of the death screen in the Thor fight: it is meant to make the player/audience understand the moment narratively, but in a way we can instantly recognize. Kratos "dies," and he sees something else, maybe nothing at all. We see a death screen and instantly know "we" or Kratos died, at the same moment he experiences it. And likewise we hear the voice and realize the reality, coming back to life and in the game right when Kratos does. It being scripted helps since it makes the player realize what's happening at the exact moment Kratos does, by using the established screen mechanic. A comparable moment is in GoW 2018, when Kratos uses his regeneration and we see his health bar refill even when he's walking home after the battle with Baldur. He doesn't see a health bar, but we can instantly recognize what's happening thanks to that while we also know Kratos is healing. This is that, just the opposite.

[@witchking2063]

I would say that is still a bit different because the health bar is used as another player interaction mechanic that you use not long from then when the UI comes back, where as this is still supposed to hold you in the cinematic but with that tips section on the screen in the middle.

[@wushiba]

I'm pretty sure Kratos died in the very first game, even Gaia the narrator says it when it happens. Also, he would have stayed dead too and wouldn't have been able to just climb out if it wasn't for that old mysterious gravedigger who dug a hole for him to climb out of and even sent down a chain so he have something to climb on. In the second game, I'm not entirely sure what happens but I took it that he actually died there too. Then Gaia says "only a coward accepts death", so it's like Kratos died but thanks to Gaia's words he wouldn't accept that. Then Gaia healed his wound with some last remaining Titan magic, I presume, and then also inspiried Kratos with her words so he kept going. With these things in mind, the "death can have me when it earns me" line in Ragnarök feels even better to me because he already died a few times but he just wouldn't have it. He still felt like he have stuff to do so death can wait.

[@ShakalakaKing]

5:38:00 This whole part gave me some flashbacks in my personal life. I had a decade of drug abuse occur in my family, with my two siblings and my mother. When Angraboda's grandma was screaming at her after breaking her cauldren, it took me back to my mother freaking out at me when I found and threw away a stash of hers I found. The scene is very grounded from my view, fictional situation besides. I had no issue with how it they presented this scene, if anything it just brought back worse memories. Thankfully in better times now.

[@bifffranklin5056]

Finally, a proper-length EFAP!

[@typhvam5107]

7:54 - Knowing Odin from lore, this is a perfectly fine Odin, better than most really. Odin was venerated mostly by the upper class (the "allfather" thing is Christianization of the original mythos, he was never such a thing, but an attempt to draw parallels by missionaries to make it easier to convert) so he represented shrewdness, lore etc. Thor is an odd one, he was a folk hero (in the sense of being the God the peasants worshipped, not that he was all loving and kind) that he is depicted how he is isn't as bad as I'd think it could have been, behaves like a like a lot of countryside men and being 'rotund' would make sense for a peasants deity which was linked with fertility at some point. Think its fine tbh Also Loki, was the personification of a 'force', "god" of mischief, the fool, the chaotic forces of nature/universe that throw the wrench into the carefully laid out plans of others, generating change (and many times improvements) but only after initial strife. He is "change", people resist it, but its inevitable, creates new problems that only he can solve, while solving older problems and improving peoples lives, although at a cost that sometimes can be quite steep (a lot of death etc). Thus he was 'feared' not because he was 'evil' at all, but because he represented the churn, change, chaos, and that brings a healthy dose of respect. A flood might wipe out a city and yet bring needed change. But its all a mess, each variant, subculture, areas, peoples would have their own stories so hey, take it with a pinch, even after spending quite a long time reading into it (and not wikipedia) and talking with archeologists (friends of family) its all a bit messy. But Marvel ones are far, far more inaccurate than these ones so hey.

[@ajanis95]

It's interesting that Loki was, beyond anything else, a force of change considering his role in the myths. He is the one to usher in Ragnarok, the ultimate form of change since after Ragnarok the world was meant to be reborn.

[@muninnsays9296]

People who are angry at Odin not being buff have never read Norse mythology.

[@typhvam5107]

@@ajanis95 Yep exactly

[@Fuk99999]

Errr, you’re incorrect on somethings. Such as the origin of “all father”. The word is Alföðr and it has another word tied to it in Valfǫðr. Neither are Christian rooted, and the “father” part of the word isn’t clear as the actual word for father was slightly different. Even so the modern linguistic understanding is “all Father” and “valfather” which the first is obvious and the latter is “fall Father” or “father of the slain”, though again, the father part is disputed and the word may actually be along the line of “to order” As for the interpretation of Odin…eh. What you’re saying doesn’t really align with the proto germanic or indo European roots as we currently understand them.

[@Fuk99999]

@@muninnsays9296 Norse mythology doesn’t exactly have many physical descriptions of the gods, period. You get some loose physical traits, and we also have little archaeological evidence to suggest otherwise as well.

[@Party_Almsivi]

9:51:53 Odin:“Can you believe this bad-faith-Andy, chat? Can’t even use metaphors around him! The guh-nome f__k!”

[@EggieBoi1284]

Something that confuses me is Mauler saying thor killing Kratos is his first canonical death. "He just goes to a place and climbs back out" thats only true in the third game. In the first and second he gets stabbed through his chest and literally dies

[@samuelrichards5521]

He was literally just being a dick

[@ArnoModelstate]

7:07:39 And the sheer emotional expression on her face in that conversation .... Huge animation effort there !

[@davejones9469]

I lost my shit at the "race" sections in Ironwood. A race is one of my favorite kinds of minigames; whether it's testing your traversal ability or a separate mechanic all together, I like em. So when not once, but TWICE it cheats me out of a fair race, and if you don't know she's cheating, you're focusing on the race and not appreciating any of the visuals. Thought I might miss something if I didn't win, so I tried a couple times before it was obvious. The game had to force me to slow at the end of the wolf race just to let the cheating bitch win...BULLSHIT I SAY!

[@IronMentX]

I think this terrible creative decision calls for a war - a "race" war

[@davejones9469]

@@IronMentX Original Fast & Furious style...NITRO-FUCKIN-INJECTED! (The drag tournament is actually called Race Wars in that, if memory serves lmao)

[@ClobberingSocks]

to be fair i think they were going for that though, she playfully/teasingly admits to not really playing fair with either race lol

[@RorytheRomulan]

Man that IS bullshit.

[@NoPantsBaby]

But didn't you feel fulfilled when the strong diverse female got to dominate the young male character?

[@jfwalken]

It does make me laugh how shortly after the discussion on accents, Kratos replies to Odin in the most Laconic way possible to the deal.

[@PhantomMonkey2008]

About the scene where there’s a fakeout death scene. It’s great because Kratos has to reset his mind to continue fighting as well as the player. I would argue that it further immerses the player into the game. Another example of this I love is from Arkham Asylum where you die and have to continue only to realize there was nothing you could do.

[@wilius1428]

I liked this format very much MauLer

[@diazinamon2431]

Unfortunately this kind of thing is only possible with video games, film studios will copyright strike your video if you show more than ten seconds of uninterrupted footage of a movie.

[@wilius1428]

@@diazinamon2431 yeah, but just imagine being able to do this with movies

[@vileluca]

Fenrir is a good boy.

[@TheKpa11]

Ghost: 🐶

[@DrViperVideos]

BOY!

[@dylanblack8714]

Rags cameo

[@ritenac6770]

*BOI

[@ryueldragonborn4145]

The fenrir wolf

[@PANCAKEMINEZZ]

1:36:53 Why would people think that's a terrible design for Odin? Do people not know how the actual mythology of how he looks? All descriptions of Odin in the sagas is an old man. He's supposed to be an unassuming looking traveler that'd likely never bat an eye at. His whole gimmick is tricking people into fighting and dying so they can join him in Valhal to help fend off the events of Ragnarok. His whole deal is he's scared shitless of the end times and is trying to raise an army to fend it off.

[@TheSSBBfan666]

love Richard's take on him. We got Anthony being wise and grand Odin with the Thor films and there there is the version in Assassins Creed Valhalla. This guy comes off as the mafia head who knows how to swindle a deal and has muscle on standby when he wants someone taken out. Charming, manipulative and egotistacal.

[@dumbino7745]

@@TheSSBBfan666 man while i do love the marvel designs for these characters i fucking hate the massive amount of people who treat them as cannon or the default when in reality marvel fucked with the actual original norse legends harder than anyone else did.

[@TheSSBBfan666]

@@dumbino7745 wait til you see the Miles Morales Thor variant versions. "BY ODIN'S FADE!"

[@sparxskywriter2589]

Is he an intimidating soft spoken mob boss or an unassuming traveler you wouldn't bat an eye at? Pick one. Also he would DISGUISE himself as a traveler in the tales to better collect on knowledge.

[@krissuyx]

@@dumbino7745 Marvel designs just look like superheroes... which they are. Vibrant and shiny costumes.

[@Zzzlol94]

Thor's design is just so perfect for norse mythology. It makes sense since he's a godly warrior, with a pure will to just fight and fight for fun, then drink lots of mead. Having a beer belly and being big as fuck is just perfect. And it makes him just SO much more menacing for how he's characterized. And when it comes to Kratos having different speech patterns, being much more direct with each complete word, makes sense because he's not even from this place. Another thing to separate him as a completely different entity to the worlds within Yggdrasil.

[@kwazhims3lf]

it is the nature, of a thing that matters.... not its form... it doesnt matter *_how_* jay is kicked, but the *_nature_* in which jay is kicked

[@crimsonpotemkin]

3:01:34 6'0 Tyr vs 5'11 Kratos

[@DannyLee-zv9gl]

Tyr is much taller

[@StupidWeb]

​@@DannyLee-zv9gl(the joke is that's how women view 6' men vs

[@samuelmontoya8578]

What could be interesting to see if Greece gets rebuilt into Rome is if Jupiter is the son of Kratos and Aphrodite and raised by Athena. I think there could be some cool stuff if Atreus stumbles upon him in his travels.

[@TheSSBBfan666]

had a funny idea to that, like say there were some survivors of the Greek pantheon and they moved on to a small village that will become Rome. Aphrodite, Apollo & Artemis, Dionysus and Demeter & Hestia. Aphrodite could be mourning over Hephestus and Pandora, sort of a 'you don't know how good you had it til its gone' sort of feeling. A little sidequest would have Kratos and Atreus bring her items that once belonged to them, Pandora's bracelet and Hephestus's cane. They urge her to live and be better for their memories as she thanks them and reforms herself as Venus, Roman goddess of love.

[@kingrippzard2027]

Do to the whole there is much to rebuild thing at the end I was thinking about going back to Greece, but turning it to Rome is a really cool idea I never consider. Maybe in its expanse that’s how conflict with Egypt would start and Kratos would have to deal with the conflict.

[@toastytoast9800]

i mean, that probably means Christianity is gonna be involved

[@theliato3809]

One thing that might be interesting with the Roman pantheon is to go with a crisis of identity as many people think they’re jsut kind of copies of the Greeks. Trying to deal with that as the god of war has come to their lands and they think he’s coming to finish them off as some shadows of Olympus

[@saltybrzrkr9804]

Spectacular format! Love it

[@russmurphy3645]

First time where the content covered is actually longer than the stream

[@diazinamon2431]

Second time, I think. The ZSJL stream was slightly shorter than the movie.

[@Leotheleprachaun]

@@diazinamon2431 it's the *Snyder Cut* fuckoff this random acronym havin me putting random words together for 5 minutes

[@StupidWeb]

​@@diazinamon2431yeah barely. But the efap movies was longer

[@axson8]

I think a problem that gets over looked with the "Jormangandr creation" scene is what bodies to the giants return too? Like are there corpses immortal?

[@arcadestickgaming6601]

I would guess that the DNA of the giants would override the body that it inhabits.

[@Saiyanmedia007]

Spoilers: If you pay attention, from the beginning the devs put in a subtle way to let you know that Tyr isn’t Tyr. Whenever someone says Tyrs’ name, even in 2018, there’s always an apostrophe (I don’t know what it’s called) above the Y. But when you meet ‘Tyr’ the subtitle name never has the apostrophe over the Y when he speaks. But when you free the real Tyr from prison, whenever he speaks he has the apostrophe over the Y. The more you know 😊

[@HFX67]

i think it's called an accented vowel.

[@kasaibouF29]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_accent

[@kwazhims3lf]

7:21:40 [chat, killing it with this one] "kratos, breaking out the *_BELT_* of *_CHAOS_*

[@randomperson-up5vt]

I felt the game missed out by not having a ng+ from launch. I worked really hard on those dumb berskers. Let me use my cool relic and such on some bosses and mobs that matter.

[@KingDizzo86]

Facts I wish we had a transferrable save like we had in the mass effect trilogy

[@johncra8982]

I have a feeling they'll be adding some more loot for NG+ Hopefully new armor with unique designs

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

I'm halfway through the Berserkers and they are almost harder than the Valkyries.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

@@johncra8982 I want them to bring back the Zeus armor with high damage and low defense. It's my biggest beef with the harder difficulties that the enemies just do more damage and have more health. I like how Ghost of Tsushima did it with the lethal difficulty where both you and the enemy do really high damage and everyone dies it in like 2 or 3 hits its high-risk high reward. The Zeus armor fixes that in 2018 GOW and really makes you feel like a good of war.

[@randomperson-up5vt]

@@johncra8982 would be nice, I'll replay the game again once they do.

[@darrellmarcks6304]

Amazing that the conversation in the first few minutes is so relevant today.

[@ElCoolArrow20]

8:49:31 I’m a little disappointed nobody mentioned Mimir’s subtle reference to Odin here

[@chasehedges6775]

Maulers reviews on Kenobi and Boba Fett are just the bomb.

[@Missionjacob_181]

This format is fantastic! Really enjoyed the analysis. I realized just how much went over my head on my first playthrough

[@archstanton9073]

How is this different from what they normally do? They watch a video, pause, comment on it and then resume. Repeat for the next 7-10 hours.

[@Gannoh]

@@archstanton9073 Have you considered the possibility that he might be a new viewer?

[@kingrippzard2027]

It’s ok lad, Stanton is drunk again.

[@trumpflavourednugget9325]

I hope they use this format at least once a year for a game they're passionate about. Be it a new release or a classic.

[@absol_lute_zero9083]

Bold of you to assume a game this good comes around once a year

[@trumpflavourednugget9325]

@@absol_lute_zero9083 hence why I said it doesn't have to be a new game it can be a classic.

[@Mmbrnmrcll]

I would love to see a Red Dead Redemption 2 review

[@ajanis95]

Seeing Ratatoskr once again reminds me ProZD astonishes with his range.

[@imperielgenecist1317]

Oh absolutely. His voice acting as Fl4k is *stunning*. It’s amazing how someone who started off as an internet comedian became one of my favourite video game VA’s

[@peterwiklund7738]

​@@imperielgenecist1317I am super, super late for this, but he did not start off as an internet comedian. He was a voice actor turned KZbinr.

[@gottesurteil3201]

I had a dog die from not eating. We never knew exactly why she wouldn't eat. I instantly sympathized with Atreus when Fenrir was introduced. I hate the argument "why should I care about this person I barely know?" How about you should care because that's what decent people do?

[@Blizz3112]

The Freya-Kratos/Freya-Freyr stuff is great... and I was glad the written dialog between them was absolutely well done...

[@Chugargonfan]

Nerdrotic: angrobodah section was an hour long to meet a quota

[@Snowstrider0001]

Only time in recent memory that Mauler gets mad and it's for a Buffy spoiler, lol.

[@Kernwadi]

The Year is 2050. Go to movies, it's the weekly MCU movie. Disney logo on screen. It's phase 12 of the story. Movie starts, Tobey Maguire is in a wheelchair. A burglar comes into his house, steals his Funko Pops. Tobey says "it's peterin time" (this is a reference to the hit 2022 film morbius). Also says "that sounded better in my head." He puts on his mask, the crowd screams until my ears ring. He swings at the man as he's running away. A portal opens and captain Europe steps into the scene. Tobey accidentally swings into him He says "it's all good I have healthcare". Crowd cheers, captain Europe had his own TV show in 2048 and this is a reference to his prostate exam episode in season 6 where he makes the same joke. Tom Holland and Andrew Garfield come through the portal and point at each other, making the funny Spider-Man meme again. They all start jerking each other off as the camera zooms out, revealing the Death Star and the Star Wars theme briefly plays. Crowd cheers again before the screen cuts to black and Darth Vader's laugh plays. Post credit scene shows Thanos reappear, and he says, "I'm coming for you Redditors." Crowd cheers one last time, before news sources are saying this is one of the best movies of all time. Thank you Disney for saving the film industry.

[@thuglifebear5256]

11/10 Would cry again. God the future is bleak. I'm fucking off back to anime.

[@KarmaPaym3ntPlan]

@@thuglifebear5256 I was gonna say the same thing. There’s plenty of good shit out there, making Marvel’s output quality feel pretty inconsequential

[@hyperbolicninja]

In the tear soaked words of Kevin Smith, the Director of this movie. "Take all my fucking money"

[@Party_Almsivi]

You left out the Cybernetic-from-neck-down octogenarian movie Bob in his skull-throne made from 1000 ‘right-wingers’ he personally felled in the Second Corporate War. They stood no chance against his arm-mounted automatic 40mm grenade launcher, and full-auto 45 ACP wrist-sidearm.

[@AuXiiLia]

Don't forget the extreme gender and race swapping that will occur, we're talking "next level" diversity, folks. -Thanos will become an autistic trans woman with a rainbow tattoo on her forehead. -Spider-man will be magically reincarnated as Spider-woman who is a lesbian and also happens to have anxiety. -Captain Pride will be the new Captain America, they will be non-binary with a rainbow shield and have their own series where they hunt down and murder homophobic evil gangs in a punisher style. -Thor will become an obese down syndrome trans male with ginger hair and a skin condition, the fans of this character will be super woke and elitist, judging the other ones as "not woke/diverse enough" -Captain Marvel will stay the same.

[@mauser5680]

52:00 hits a bit harder as someone who lost a pet. My first cat had Lymphoma and in his last couple weeks, he couldn't eat... couldn't even drink mear the end. We had to put him down and hearing Artreus in this scene alone brings me to tears just thinking about it. I don't know how people aren't moved by this. I might not know the animal, but I still feel for it and its owner.

[@bluelanternguardianangel8038]

I know how you feel brother. At the beginning of the year I had to put down my cat. He had cancer and there was nothing else to do besides to end his pain That exchange between kratos and atreus was basically my logic and my emotions arguing in my head. It was logical to end his suffering but I didn't want to let him go yet I wish i could've put his soul in a kaiju but that would've been a disaster cuz my cat is a dumb ass lol Absolutely great scene

[@MaxRovensky]

2:45:50 The Expanse season 6's "One Ship" series in the Prime X-Ray menu would like a word 😂 Phenomenal additional character building work that a lot of people would miss

[@MilesTheFoxy]

8:51:11 When the Norns are talking about Mimir, I love it for multiple reasons.. What he says when he cuts her off is "Let me guess- I'm a long-winded know-it-all and I cannot change?" and the Norns stay quiet after. The most common reaction (myself included) to this is that Mimir is sick of their shit and cuts them off in a jokey way. But it goes a bit deeper, because he is being an insufferable know-it-all by cutting her off by saying exactly what she would say. And naturally, she doesn't say anything after, she doesn't need to because he proved her point better than she ever could.

[@samwallaceart288]

As something of a know-it-all facilitator type myself, his cutting them off is 100% his way of losing his cool. He's cracking.

[@TheSSBBfan666]

@@samwallaceart288 his response to Freya about blabbering when nervous was also spot on as of the three, he's the most unnerved.

[@ChallengeIdeas]

@@TheSSBBfan666 Of the three, he's the most helpless--not only physically, but he's come to terms with his misdeeds least of them all.

[@TheSSBBfan666]

@@ChallengeIdeas i think Heimdall is regarded as one of Odin's sons in this continuity so four sons. Could be wrong tho. yeah, its at the end when Kratos spares him and urges him to change for his remaining family that he reveals he's just so deep in guilt for all his misdeeds from the Jotnar, the people and his own family.

[@ChallengeIdeas]

@@TheSSBBfan666 I meant that Mimir was the most helpless of the three (Kratos, Freya, and Mimir) who were up against the Norns' callouts. Meant it to indicate that he'd definitely be more worried and more defensive, so it makes sense!

[@jean-pierrepolnareff9987]

To theo's credit, i think if they replaced the fake deathscreen by an actual fade-to-black screen it would have been just as effective if not more

[@xrphoenix7194]

Then we would've thought he got knocked out

[@jean-pierrepolnareff9987]

@@xrphoenix7194 a simple heartbeat sound effect solves that

[@samuelrichards5521]

​@@jean-pierrepolnareff9987how would there being a heartbeat sound make it seem like he died? That sort of thing tends to mean that someone is very much alive

[@MegaMyown]

Thinking about it right now, Freya is such a damn good character, and it’s like why do people like this strong female character? Because being, “strong,” and being, “female,” didn’t make who her character is, being strong is what she was forced to be by circumstances, being female is what she is, not who she is. Hollywood studios in particular, but all forms of media are so busy trying to make characters who they want you to like so damn bad, but also make these damn near perfect beings who are already so strong and already the strongest, but kind, loving, infallible, and pure, or they’re the character of destiny and they’re prophesized to be the bestest ever and the key to everything so that way whole plot is literally forced to revolve around them and then these forms of media tend to forgot to actually make the character likable and relatable and unfortunately these characters are mainly female. Very rarely do you just like a character right off the bat, it typically takes that characters story, struggles, tribulations, tests, and growth so when the time in the climax comes for them to be strongest, you find yourself actually rooting for them at the time where they can finally show their true powers, or you wind up realizing how much you love the character after everything occurs, but modern media just wants you to like their character from the start, so they give all the qualities, morals, and powers of an end of story hero to their hero right at the beginning of the story, and it’s not even done in a funny way like OPM. Like I said before, when studios get too caught up in trying to make you like a character they actually forget to make a character likable.

[@chokabitch9342]

She’s a goddess a Valkyrie and a queen she’s able to hold a sword to the throat of the GOW with ease for some reason then gloats about how she can kill him. Any other story you would call this a Mary sue.

[@MegaMyown]

@@chokabitch9342 ok Synthetic fanboy, are you trying to tell me that the people who created Norse mythology had just a *EPIDEMIC* when it came to woke ideology almost 1,000 years ago? Because if you wanna call the writers out for making her a Mary Sue, get to digging that grave up and go scream at some bones because THEY made her a Queen and a Valkyrie, Jesus Christ. ALSO do you NOT FUCKING SEE KRATOS DOESN’T WANNA KILL HER?!?! He stops Atreus from killing her or mauling her in bear form? He literally doesn’t want to hurt or even worse kill the fucking woman who saved his sons life in the first game. And when she finally breaks the roots and faces Kratos, he drops his axe to grab the bottom of the hilt where he would then be ready to fight and kill her because he has to protect his son over everything, and if he’s dead, he can’t do that. And she brags about it because she’s also a warrior, idrc for the MCU anymore, but it’s similar to when Thor and The Hulk fought each other and each kept saying they won the fight, she’s saying she would’ve won that fight, Kratos just got her back as a friend, so he’s not gonna be like, “Oh yea? Fucking come at me bro, I’ll fucking kill you,” like come tf on 😆😂 just fucking shit all over those points.

[@chokabitch9342]

@@MegaMyown I can tell you that there’s no reason for them to blatantly disregard kratos strength just because “he doesn’t want to kill her” yeah we know he doesn’t want to kill her which is why he should be able to handle her with no problem without killing her? this man who has slayed countless Greek gods and titans just can’t hold off Freya from holding a sword to his throat because he’s holding back? Spare me lol I can also tell you that the original creator of all 3 god of war games left during development so I can tell you he probably very much wanted nothing to do with this trash game

[@MegaMyown]

@@chokabitch9342 she is a god, with god strength, it’s been shown that consistently they do not have the strength differential compared to us. Also, she’s a mighty warrior, she’s not some dainty, helpless little woman, and clearly he just is choosing to not engage with her at all, he just doesn’t want to bother with her at all, and he was fighting her off UNTIL he found out it was her, then immediately tried to stop fighting her, he really doesn’t wanna fight or hurt her.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@chokabitch9342 Would you have less issue with it if Freya wasn't a woman? She's been trying to kill him for a while, she's allowed to taunt him a little bit. Would it be better if she were a man taunting him instead cause then it's not mary sue-ish enough? Also Mary Sue doesn't equal strong woman. That's just silly

[@casternova4347]

After going through efap 217... I've come back to listen to these again.

[@Brandon_Powell]

4:24:08 I never noticed that the Asgard motif started playing here.

[@iivin4233]

1:40:40 Kratos is laconic like a stereotypical Spartan.

[@realistic_delinquent]

“Laconic” means “of the Laconia region of Greece”, which is Sparta. Calling Spartans Laconic is almost tautological.

[@apocryphicdeath]

@@realistic_delinquent If words had strictly one meaning that would be true. What's the other meaning of laconic, class?

[@apocryphicdeath]

@@realistic_delinquent To use few words, or to express much in few words. In case you were still dwelling in ignorance lol

[@iivin4233]

Both can be true.

[@yamatonoryuujin4871]

I'd like to point out that breaking fate as one comment tried to argue, is not what GoW is about; people tend to forget this a lot, the Fates made a prophecy about the downfall of olympus. It's literally the main prophecy we the Player should be most familiar with as Ares tried fulfilling it in GoW1 while Zeus who received the prophecy made the other gods aware and sent Kratos to hunt him. In ascension and the other side story games like ghost of Sparta we are given the bits of pieces as to why Kratos has his doubts about the gods, which then brings him at odds with them including his growing disdain against gods like Ares, in a sense showing us that Kratos is fulfilling that Prophecy given to Zeus without Zeus realising that he actually is the one in the prophecy, you could even notice that Zeus in the side story games is much more pragmatic and concerned about Kratos' safety or that he cares about him somewhat. Now in GoW1 Kratos replaces Ares as the god of war but thematically he also replaces him as the true usurper the one to bring the ruin of Olympus. Then in GoW2 Kratos is cemented as the destroyer when Zeus, whose personality has completely changed as noted by the others gods later down the line as they have told us, as he is finally corrupted fully by the Fear that was once trapped inside the box that Kratos unleashed, and due to this, his paranoia has reached it's peak and clouded him, basically seeing Kratos as his greatest threat, whether the fear that corrupted him felt that Kratos still has Hope inside him, or Zeus being completely paranoid due to the corruption, it doesn't matter he's already made up his mind, he will kill Kratos. Now Kratos is the only one capable of freeing them from the corruption because the power of Hope he absorbed still lays dormant inside him. Going back fullcircle that the task that he was originally given in GoW now will be fulfilled this time instead of the god of war it shall be the King of the Gods and Fear itself that latched onto Zeus. Plus in GoW3 Pandora literally could not escape her fate, in fact she rushed into it even if it meant dying, but still she fulfilled her role. So No Kratos did not break fate in the Og GoW, in fact one of the criticisms in terms of writing and mechanics in GoW2 was that some players noted that the sisters of fate in terms of their control over time and space or fate, is shallow and surface level, they have this great power yet could not beat Kratos, at that point it isn't about Hubris anymore it's just that they're dumb or they don't really have full control over what happens. So here is the summary, Zeus learns about the prophecy of him beating his father, fufills that prophecy and now has full belief in the prophecy given by the sisters, the sisters then give Zeus the prophecy of his downfall and of Olympus, then down the road Ares and Gaia learns about this, Then the incident with Kratos happens, after that Ascension happens, then I believe Atlas chains or the game with Persephone is the main villain is what occurs; after that GoW 1 occurs, after the first game Ghost of Sparts is next where he kills Thanatos and suffers at the knowledge of Deimos' death and finally is ready to take the role of GoW, due to Kratos unleashing the box's contents Fear latches onto Zeus, and it is at this time Zeus's mind begins to deteriorate and grows increasingly paranoid and cruel. Then GoW2 starts, and then GoW3.

[@anaccountforcommenting6651]

9:49:00 so here is substantially clunckier read. There are two spearheads (the dangerous parts) up top and Odin in middle has got his head in more or less the same level since his "dangerous part" is his head

[@Don-Scrima]

Theo’s attitude at 7:54:38 was surprising; a surprisingly bad argument.

[@kaprelesartware]

The Brok voice actor should make audiobooks 😏

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

"Hi, I'm Brok and I'll be readin' dis 'ere book for ya. Swhat's it called, *PRIDE AND PREJUDICE!* FUCKIN who... GAH I'm gonna rip my manager a new asshole. WELL, a paychecks a paycheck... So let's dive on in to... Pride and fuckin prejudice..."

[@Pimpulus]

great video imo, the format doesnt feel strange at all. wouldnt know how its relevantly different from dissecting movies or shows. also, like you said many times, its simultanously amazing and devastating to see how vastly superior the storytelling is to anything movies and shows are presenting currently

[@theunholysmirk]

There were people in chat claiming the prophecy spelt “Tyr” in elder futhark runes. They are wrong. I made the same mistake at first glance. The runes in question are next to a man wielding a hammer. There’s a single rune to denote the “th” sound, and the other two are in fact for “or”. The runs name Thor, they do not name Tyr.

[@charlesjung7340]

I have no clue how I missed this 10hr stream, but I got nothing but time today

[@chibbertooth5521]

This EFAP marks my first exposure to Ragnarok, but my take on the fake death and Thor zapping Kratos back to life is that typically a player knows that their character isn’t going to die in the opening hours of the game, so implementing the loading screen like you achieved a game over is a way to make players actually think for a moment that they died and immediately realize this was intended when Thor starts speaking saying he isn’t done with Kratos and we’re just thrown right back into the game. I’m overall positive towards this as I felt like it was the devs briefly messing with my sensibilities as a gamer.

[@geminia999]

I feel like where it certainly falls flat is that this is likely the first game over screen you are going to get in the game. It's a bit odd to use the first death as a subversion. Just feels off

[@richter6699]

Hell yeah, takes me back to Metal Gear Solid 2 when the big reveals happen and the game starts trying to psychologically torture the player. Really memorable moments

[@jellybeans6743]

@Mooler, please fix Marc's link. Also, thank you all for this explanation and deep dive into a fascinating piece of media art. @MetalCommander drew me in with his great playthrough vids. This is amazing content and I like the format very much. It allows someone like me, who is interested in games and their stories, music and nuances but don't have much interest or patience to play it myself, a way to consume the content in a wonderful manner. Thank you all

[@NinjaGuyDan_]

I love this format. Love. I'm seeing so many things I missed

[@crimsonpotemkin]

1:34:00 I get the feeling that Marc doesn't know what actual strongmen look like. The guys that can lift the most and set records don't look like the marvel super model version of Thor, they look like this one. Even fatter.

[@seagullsays5831]

@404Usernamenotfound You mean the arms that are wrapped in gauntlets and the beer gut on top of the musculature? I think you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about mate, Eddie Hall.

[@The1337guy1]

I just looked up Eddie Hall. Jesus that dude is built like a brick shithouse. Kinda guy that could kill you just by falling on you.

[@tevenpowell8023]

Thor has an almost identical build to Eddie Hall

[@seagullsays5831]

@404Usernamenotfound Are you even paying attention to the gauntlets and beer gut point or are you just going to hyper focus on the Eddie Hall point like a sped? Thor is built like a tank, he dwarfs Kratos in stature and is extremely skilled in the way that he fights. To say that he's past his glory days is a ridiculous notion considering how imposing he is on top of the fact of how he's able to carry himself. I actually only bought up the Eddie Hall comparison because the only people saying that Thor and WSM Eddie are in no way similar in build are Synthetic Man fans, because everyone else can see more than a passing similarity in their builds courtesy of not being disingenuous. Lol, lmao even.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

"Tomorrow will be Part 2." CDI Mario: No?

[@Leotheleprachaun]

On the topic of male genitalia names, there was a NASCAR driver named Dick Trickle.

[@diazdelosmuertos1503]

1:57:17 Marc: “He died in the way that Buffy died.” MauLer: “BLASPHEMER!” 😂😂😂

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

Thor kills Kratos. That's what's great about that part. It shows how strong Thor is. I personally thought Thor couldn't stand up to Kratos, but they did a great job at making him feel like a true threat. He could have had an unavoidable AOE to kill you, and maybe then you'd have a subplot to find an ability to counter the AOE attack next time you fight him, though.

[@ChallengeIdeas]

Baldur was not as overtly strong, but his power was that he could do this all day. Thor is that guy who packs a massive punch, and you don't know it until he hits you...and at that point, you're on your ass wondering what day it is and why you can hear colors. This is how fights often work, so it's perfectly reasonable.

[@DrViperVideos]

Makeship notified me that my plushies of mauler and fringy are on the way, very excited

[@1701EarlGrey]

48:10 - the same day I've seen this scene on MauLer's channel, I've had to put down my dog...after 15 years of friendship, so this moment hit me hard - I know exactly how Atreus felt at the moment. And even if you never have pet, wouldn't you sympathized with character and his emotional state? Did people had a problem with the fact that we didn't knew Faye, during her funeral scene in 2018, didn't they sympathized with Atreus back then? I don't think that you have to lost your mother to empathize with kid who lost his parent...same here. I didn't finish watching this game but I'm happy that authors didn't screwed the story adn that something good came out in this wretched year! As for the argument that "Ragnarok" is not a game...I don't get it. I didn't play it but it's not like one of those Telltale games or Dark Pictures Anthology - still remember "wonderful" time EFAP crew had while going trough "Little hope" and "House of the Ashes" - , it's not walking simulator either... Maybe it will be controversial opinion but SOMA is less of the game than "Ragnarok"... There is a lot of gameplay here; fighting, puzzle solving, exploration, looting, there are skill trees, boss fights, choices regarding weaponry and playstyle... How is this not a game? Why something like the first "The last of us" was almost universally loved and this isn't? I understand if some people consider this boring, but other than that...how is this not a game? As Fringy's hatred of summer - I will be happy to switch places with you; come here to Eastern Europe and I will be more than happy to replace you in Australia. 😂I prefer spring over summer but anything is better than late fall and winter in my part of the world...

[@Ry9022]

On the Jormanganer 'birth' part, why couldn't they have something happen to his marble and the choice was put soul into snake or let the soul die.

[@2xRainb0w]

Maybe they fall near the body and a marble comes out of the bag and cracks and they guide the souls that seeps out to the body would be a better execution.

[@simbadas1234]

god damn it, when i clicked this i didn't expect to get doggo feels

[@Ishfein]

Thor looks like Eddie Hall before he started boxing when he won worlds strongest man, beating The Mountain twice

[@Sir-Raph]

Does anyone mention that Bear McCreary is actually *_in_* the game? He's *_Ræb_* the dwarf barkeep/musician in Nidavellir.

[@ParanoidAlaskan]

The chat had zero patience this stream

[@Rethuglican]

Most stream chats are idiots. Regardless of channel

[@kingrippzard2027]

I chalk it up usually when chat gets like this that it’s people coming in for god of war, or whatever popular topic gets tackled that stream, and aren’t used to EFAP.

[@kwazhims3lf]

2:50:09 within the first 2 seconds my mind went to bob hoskins.. the look.. the mannerisms, manner of speech, accent.. glad to see my thoughts echoed here.. my brain still works yay