EFAP

[@JohnCenaWarriorPrincess]

Atreus: "three legendary weapons. Do you have a favorite, father?" Kratos: "No. They are tools for a specific task. A preference would be meaningless" Atreus: "I like the axe." Kratos : "I too like the axe."

[@koreancowboy42]

His fists count as legendary. He best the living crap out of alot of the gods xD

[@HectorLopez0217]

Sindri >destroys the war machines >one shots Odin >refuses to elaborate >leaves

[@samwallaceart288]

Thugs don't make choices. They make _decisions._

[@diazinamon2431]

Dwarf of War spinoff game when?

[@DiZtheJedi]

@@diazinamon2431 Oh man, I'd play that in a heartbeat.

[@samwallaceart288]

@@diazinamon2431 Dwarf of Hate VS Boy of Chaos

[@koheikyouji]

@@samwallaceart288 Dwarves of chaos just sound like a joke skin DLC for the blades where youre just swinging around the inflatable Dwarf twins xD

[@DeJonValentine1]

Tyr also has that line about "Having a spy in the enemies camp" when the team discuss Atreus going back to Asgard. That must have been a giggling moment for Odin saying that.

[@happypuppy-i4k]

Giggle giggle

[@axson8]

Thor: Look into my eyes. You tell me. *Heimdall sees himself in a full Hotdog outfit, ready to be consumed by ChungaThorus Rex* Heimdall: You are a sick man.

[@nectarx6800]

I might draw this in ms-paint quality

[@kry0stat1s74]

Lmao

[@vladimirdragonov]

@@nectarx6800 get beuwen

[@EdwardEstacado]

Thor man eats a hot dog

[@thatwaygaming8679]

Chunga....thorus......rex......

[@oros743]

I lost it when Odin pulled out a Golf Club and beat Kratos to death. I was shocked. Although, Odin did manage to kill the real villain, Kratos. 10/10

[@dualwieldroxas358]

Would you kindly, Kratos?

[@danishcartoonist545]

@@dualwieldroxas358 now that’s a reference I’ve not heard in a long time

[@ytaltacc8008]

Why is this God of War and the last of us compared? Are they done by the same guys or something? Cuz God of War Ragnarok is a masterpiece and comparing it to tlou 2 is disrespectful to GoW.

[@NeoakiraIV]

@@ytaltacc8008it’s a joke chill lol

[@ytaltacc8008]

@@NeoakiraIV what is the origin?

[@Baehellet]

Another cool detail hinting at the big reveal is Odin's tattoos. In his very first appearance we see that when the ravens are "with" him, his tattoos are fully darkened, but when the ravens are out, his tattoos are nearly invisible. The whole time Atreus is interacting with Odin in Asgard, there is only ever 1 tattoo filled in at most. It's crazy how many hints there are that you aren't able to fully put together until after the reveal and the damage is already done.

[@StupidWeb]

Holy shit

[@ChadKakashi]

That’s how you’re supposed to make mysteries or plot twists. There should be hints and ways it could make sense after you get the twist. It’s easy to write “and this was that all along” with no hints or setup. That just feels cheap and unearned.

[@JulianDoe]

Timestamps 0:00 Christmas Miracles 1:37 Underground 3:08 Transition to GOW 8:07 Atreus in Asgaard 14:29 Ymir 19:04 Helheim 28:26 Heimdall 34:46 Back To Asgaard 36:00 Leaving Asgaard 38:27 Back Home 45:41 Helgrind 1:02:51 The Old Ways 1:12:49 Reunion 1:19:22 Hidisvini 1:22:44 Vaneheim 1:26:34 Eclipse 1:29:14 Kratos & Freya 1:36:42 Heimdall 1:48:38 Rescue 2:05:13 Creatures of Prophecy 2:15:53 Back To Asgaard 2:25:05 A Mission 2:27:43 Thor 2:42:12 The Eternal Chasm 2:47:00 Music 2:48:35 A family drama 2:55:18 Back home 3:01:28 Too Good To Be True 3:25:17 Hunting For Solace 3:38:45 Sindri 3:50:06 Connecting Dots 4:06:43 The Plan 4:12:44 Recruiting 4:21:18 The Spark Of The World 4:31:02 Realms at war 4:46:10 Dream 4:59:35 The General 5:07:18 War 5:15:33 Sindri 5:18:45 Sacrifice 5:34:00 Friendships 5:38:31 Family 5:41:46 The Breach 5:44:14 Thor 5:57:07 Odin 6:04:48 The Mask 6:09:26 Music 6:13:16 Choice 6:21:16 Death 6:28:00 Hoddmimis Holt 6:39:18 The End Of The Story 6:41:50 Father & Son 6:49:35 A New Faith 7:02:52 A Viking Funeral 7:12:09 Final Thoughts 7:14:11 Conclusions 7:19:14 Post Credit 7:22:24 Ending EFAP

[@Romearci]

Great work my guy, you always need much more likes. Gotta keep you up there 🤝

[@StupidWeb]

One of my favourite lines comes from Surtr if you detour while he’s in his primordial form. If you detour and open a chest, Atreus asks him “You were here at the beginning of everything, right? What was it like?” To which, Surtr simply sighs and replies “Loud,”

[@ChadKakashi]

That would’ve been such an annoying answer if he wasn’t so charismatic and laid back.

[@Rickmagnus911]

I can't wait for the spinoff "Birb of War" where Odin's Raven swears revenge and spends the game chasing Atreus.

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

I’m just picturing the crow swinging a golf club at Atreus while he holds it in his little talon feet

[@FierceDeity35]

Sounds like a revenge story far better than TLOU2.

[@vitato]

Odin's story's end is fascinating to me. It seems to be quite a message. God of war may hold his hand, Valkyrie Queen may pass the judgement to others, your family and everyone else you betrayed may not be able to reach you, but one angry fuckin' dwarf with a hammer may be enough to bring you to the end. It wasn't any of Odin's big choices that sealed his fate - not the mask, not mistreatment of Thor, not war against Kratos, not divorce and lies to his wife, nah, it was stabbinga dude that wouldn't shut the fuck up and was for what Odin knew - very much replaceable. Little people's little problems are going to catch you and hammer you down.

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

"The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world..." -Gman

[@powerfist1340]

It's also a direct denial of his lifelong goal. His soul doesn't get to go to the afterlife, to find what 'comes after'. he gets trapped in a ball and crushed.

[@kianrodriguez4455]

​@@powerfist1340It's also the fact that the same thing happened to Brok (you can hear it from a line of dialogue between Mimir and Atreus when they go to Midgard) so Sindri basically did to Odin what Odin did to Brok

[@UchihaOokami2596]

"Even the smallest person can change the course of the future." true for LotR and this.

[@Baehellet]

At the end it really feels like Sindri was prepared to blow up on Kratos, but when he looks in his eyes, he realizes what Kratos was going to tell him. Though he might not show it, Brok's death got to him. He was a true friend, and he'll be not only missed but fondly remembered. That's what Sindri saw on Kratos's face, and in that moment he loses all motivation to say what he was going to say.

[@Ramondorez]

He grunted at Kratos. Which means a lot more than any words could.

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

It’s almost like Sindri was ready to just go all-out on Kratos verbally like he kinda did with Atreus and probably would’ve said some things related to Kratos he have _never_ said to the raging violent war god over twice his size relating to his past with Faye and such (Probably like a “you’ll never change. All you do is take people from each other. Even yourself” but less clunky). But when it comes down to it, Sindri knows, even at his worst or least filtered anyway, that what he’s feeling now about Brok is what made Kratos the man Sindri knew him as

[@C1umsyJester]

I feel like when kratos is looking at him he feels immense guilt for how he treated him throughout the series. He was a true friend to brok but he never acted like it towards sindri, so why would he even believe him when he says he’s sorry for how things turned out or for not appreciating everything that he had done for him and his son

[@justincruz5720]

Everything changed when Asgard attacked. I will say this one thing. (6:06:09) I love how during the final encounter, Atreus is holding the mask, he’s merely a few feet away from the very thing he’s been wanting this whole time, and only Odin, in his royal blue, stands in his way. He is on Atreus’ right, tempting him to approach the tear, bathing him in a golden light, yet he’s like a devil on his shoulder. And Kratos approaches Atreus on his left, in his blood red, with a red light behind him, yet he’s speaking to him like his angel, trusting Atreus to make his choice. Insane contrast.

[@HectorLopez0217]

The devs always meant for Atreus to be half giant they pitched him being Loki as “the giants kept getting my naming wrong”, so they looked up Loki’s father which is Farbauti. When translated means Cruel Striker or Deadly Hitter. Not only does it fit Kratos like a glove also makes a little story because in lore he was a Storm Giant(possibly alluding to Zeus and the Titans), and Laufey’s name means kindling or dry grass. So when lighting strikes kindling you make fire which is what Loki is the god of as well as mischief

[@samwallaceart288]

That's really cool that they did that digging to help recontextualise it all

[@thatwaygaming8679]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I had heard that Farbauti didn't do much in the lore except be Loki's father yeah? So that would make it a very easy place to just slot in Kratos.

[@HectorLopez0217]

@@thatwaygaming8679 yes it’s true that weren’t present for much of it. In fact the things we do know is that him and Laufey were thin(ironic considering how jacked Kratos is), and them dying early in Loki’s life in order for Odin to find him on the battlefield to make a blood pact that would give Loki a ticket to Asgard

[@ultralm7250]

And the Norns referred to kratos as cruel striker

[@pastorofmuppets4552]

@@bokrugthewaterserpent3012 fire is one of the things Loki is the god of. Norse gods aren’t gods to just one thing.

[@Hypercane_]

It's also worth noting that EVERY one of the main characters in sindris house looks up to Tyr and his legacy, except Brok

[@84everfan90]

Yeah and literally fuckin no one looks for him. You find him by accident.

[@ChadKakashi]

Brokk doesn’t give a shit.

[@Shabanezloth]

No one saved a zebra in this awful poopoo game, how am I supposed to know who are the good guys? >:(

[@benjamingrant5970]

But you do rescue 4 missing stags...and stags _are_ a zebra like weapon...

[@crimsonking440]

We saved a Boar-Man last game though. Still a mystery as to who shot that noble, innocent creature though. What a monster.

[@ChadKakashi]

We saved a shitton of animals in this game to be fair. Thankfully none of it was for emotional manipulation and had significance to either the story or the characters. Not like “hey look at this man saving a zebra, he’s such a good person isn’t he” Like that makes up for him trying to kill a child for a dream of a cure.

[@richter6699]

Kratos line to Atreus that it's good to be reminded of the consequences of your actions hits so much harder when you remember that Kratos is covered in the Ashes of the family he murdered

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

Not to mention that the memories of his mistakes lead to him destroying the entirety of Greece, because the Gods wouldn't let him forget them.

[@65firered]

Not an easy thing to forget.

[@65firered]

@@bokrugthewaterserpent3012 No amount of baths will wash that off, not even water blessed by the Gods.

[@Aryaa238]

He didn't say it's "good" just that it's "not a punishment". In the case of the ashes on his skin, that /was/ in fact meant as a punishment, tho.

[@ChadKakashi]

He doesn’t say it’s good. He says it isn’t punishment to be reminded.

[@NeoakiraIV]

It was insane when Odin snapped Kratos out of existence and was about to kill Atreus then you hear Kratos say ..on your six and the rainbow road opened up and all the Olympian gods showed up wearing Roman armor and Kratos was riding Pegasus into battle and the banter between Kratos and Jupiter was pretty cringe but had heart

[@dudeguy8686]

A bit over a year late to the party, but wanted to add a couple things. Firstly for Mimir, when Kratos and Atreus head to Helheim, to tame a savage doggie, Mimir asks to be left behind, as he'd had enough of the realm already. However, towards the end of the game, when asked to help the Boar negotiate for Helheim's assistance, Mimir joins with no objection, so far as implying he'd take over Hel for the Bird. Dude's a legend, and deserves that dance. Secondly, if you return to where the Norns were found after Atreus rejoins Kratos, Mimir asks suspiciously what Kratos intended to do with the Norns. Embarrassment in his voice, Kratos responds: "I.. thought Atreus would like the horse." Most wholesome moment in the game. Small moments in a game full of great ones, but man that's some good stuff. Well, thanks for this convo y'all, it was fantastic!

[@ChadKakashi]

I hope Mimir doesn’t become the new warden of Hel.

[@dudeguy8686]

@ChadKakashi He definitely deserves a happier place, but i could see him accepting it to atone for his past. Dude still has plenty of regret to work through. While advising Kratos would be a step towards redemption, when Kratos eventually leaves the Norse realms, what else would really be left for the old talking head?

[@robertbishop7722]

Don't know if this was mentioned, but the Blades of Chaos are what keeps the cold of Helheim off of them when Kratos is there. It was part of the reason he retrieved them in 2018

[@bigchunga4982]

I thought he retrieved them, cause they'd be the only weapon he could use. Freya says his axe wouldn't work in the cold.

[@adamtheriault6743]

@@bigchunga4982 to counter, respectfully: Mimir: "Not even Odin can survive this cold, so, I hope those blades work" He got them both to stay warm and as an effective weapon against the undead

[@Tyarrk]

@@adamtheriault6743 makes you question, what the difference is between the cold in Helheim and the one in Nivelheim.

[@adamtheriault6743]

@@Tyarrk so, the niflheim in 4 and Ragnarok are two different places within niflheim, thor makes reference to it "Yeah, the mist around ivaldis workshop is straight up poison" Difference is comparable to, the arctic being a place on earth, and an entire planet that is the arctic Different levels of cold

[@Tyarrk]

@@adamtheriault6743 that does sound reasonable, but i think there must be more to it. whether u freeze to death in - 10 °C or - 100 °C doesn´t really make a difference, or in this case if you can protect yourself with some kind of magic. on that note, how did Atreus and Balder protect themself in the previous game? neither of them have the blades.

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

Brok is one of my favorite characters in this game among a host of great characters... He's just such a great honest guy that people need. His end was so sudden and brutal, but it was great, with his last moments trying to help his brother come to terms with losing him... RIP Brok, you a real bro.

[@ChadKakashi]

The most *B A S E D* being in the franchise.

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

In reference to whether Freya wanted to, or found it immoral to, kill Nidhogg, there is a line right before she cuts off his head, basically saying, "Sorry, I don't want to kill you, but Odin is using you to stop me, so I have to."

[@2ndlegend125]

My only issue with that is that Nidhogg is trying to run away in that moment, and it doesn't take long for Freya to break the roots. I think I would have liked a line to imply that Nidhogg would continue to hunt Freya down for breaking the roots. As it is, it just looks like she and Kratos kill a fleeing animal that's actually important to the world tree.

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

@2ndlegend125 Both Freya and Ratatoskt provide that implication with much subtler dialogue then blurting it out during the fight.

[@2ndlegend125]

@BaldorfBreakdowns no they dont.

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

@@2ndlegend125 Nevermind, she literally says it at the start of the fight. "...It protects Yggrasils roots - wherever they are. Bastard (Odin) was counting on it!" If you can't make the implication from that, I don't think it's the writers fault.

[@2ndlegend125]

@BaldorfBreakdowns protects the roots, doesn't mean "hunt down people who broke them." It means that if the roots are being messed with, it will show up.

[@ajanis95]

At 5:34:30 you can hear some laughter. Is that Sindri? Because if it is, damn, guess not even Pumished Sindri can hold back from finding the controlled bear transformation epic. Which just makes the next bit of Sindri returning to cold indifference/anger hurt just that much more. He does have it in him to forgive, or at least try and mend things, but he keeps buring it.

[@crimsonking440]

The way I put it is that Freya is the one who leads, and Freyr is the one who gets them to follow.

[@SinnedNotsinned]

An added detail with the final mural is the panel that shows Kratos being worshiped is actually the same mural with Kratos dead in Atreus's arm with Thor standing over them. You can see the image cut out through the new painting, showing that Kratos indeed changed his fate

[@ChadKakashi]

More like Faye believed in them to change fate and that last mural was what she wished for them.

[@Kernwadi]

I can't believe that Odin lost his eye in a bukkake gangbang... Chinese mythology is wild.

[@PirateKingBoros]

Norse*

[@Kernwadi]

@@PirateKingBoros You're objectively wrong.

[@Schlumbuo]

Chinese stuff is always wild. Dont forget that time that goku got an abortion with his male friends

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

It was a Japanese muckbang idiot... Get your Celtic mythology right, I'm an expert!

[@GoneAngel]

@@PirateKingBoros Congrats on responding sincerely to the most obvious troll in human history. Impressive honestly.

[@yusivishnu]

If Atreus don the mask, he will become Jim Carrey and said "Smokin !"

[@archstanton9073]

I guess we'll never find out because of subversion.

[@blazebrick4473]

well... it is loki's mask

[@yusivishnu]

@@blazebrick4473 O shit, it is lol 😂

[@RandomCarrot2806]

If they had done that, it would have been the greatest cross over to ever exist. Goddamn, now I'm getting angry that wasn't the climax and how Odin gets beaten.

[@ChadKakashi]

@@archstanton9073no

[@juansebastianmercado832]

I think the mermaid didn't "make" the spear because they kept saying that she was a forge in nature, not in form, and a forge needs a smith, in this case Brok

[@FierceDeity35]

The mermaid was the tool.

[@ChadKakashi]

Yep. The Lady of the Forge indeed. Brok was the smith, she was the forge.

[@redbearington3345]

Really funny to see people making statements about where Odin's soul will go after Sindri smashes the marble, when Odin specifically says nobody knows where gods go when they die. He even states as his main motivation for everything he does as wanting to know what will happen to him when he dies. It's literally said by him and Sindri repeats it in that scene. "I have to know there's more than this, I have to know what happens next." And early in the game, "Where do we go when we die? There's no Vallhala for us."

[@Party_Almsivi]

God damn Blood Upon The Snow’s lyrics go hard. “To all things housed in her silence Nature offers a violence The bear that keeps to its own line The wolf that seeks always its own kind The world that hardens as the harsher winter holds The parent forced to eat its young before it grows Every bird, gone unheard Starving where the ground has froze The winter sun rise, red on white Like blood upon the snow (x3) The ground walked here is a wonder It ceases never to hunger And all things nature’s given She takes all things back from the living I’ve walked the earth, and there are so few here that know How dark the night And just how cold the wind can blow I’ve no more hunger now to see where the road will go I’ve no more kept my warmth Than blood upon the snow Blood upon the snow (x2) It’s not my arms that will fail me But this world takes more strength than it gave me The trees deny themselves nothing that makes them grow No rain fall, no sunshine No blood upon the snow Blood upon the snow (x3) To all things housed in her silence Nature offers a violence…”

[@Kernwadi]

That was a moist comment.

[@johncra8982]

lol you missed my favorite line in the song "I've walked the earth and there are so few here that know"

[@Party_Almsivi]

@@johncra8982 oh my god you’re right, I skipped over it when transcribing, lol hold on…

[@bleeters5984]

All this setup, payoff and callbacks to previous dialogue, and they somehow missed out on having Odin kill Brok by throwing Mimir at him horns first.

[@NormieNerddom]

1:45:00 sweet damn I love this scene. Heimdall dies and there's this immense feeling of dread at what Kratos brought on. You realize he didn't for the right reasons but he hates how he had no choice. Also worth noting, the Norns attitudes toward prophecy applies to the Norse gods as well. Heimdall couldn't stand the idea of being pitied so he attacked Kratos mercilessly, bringing about his end.

[@Zzzlol94]

Pretty sure this stream marks the least amount of talking done in any EFAP. So much silence and respect for all the amazing scenes in this game.

[@seanjuliao4529]

I love how Tyr's temple was intended to connected the realms to create peace but in the end it was used to connect the realms to war. Nice little call back to intent and consequence

[@Kernwadi]

A wise man once said; “the smaller the breasts, the closer you are to their hearts!” A wiser man once said; “bigger breasts are the expansion of the heart!” And the wisest man once said; “you must cherish the entire woman, as she’s the only doorway to her heart!” And the God said; "I like feet."

[@Kernwadi]

I like feet too...

[@sonicman9910]

Better Call Saul reference

[@TheSSBBfan666]

Njord had the prettiest feet in Norse myth, hence Skadi loved him

[@Kernwadi]

@@TheSSBBfan666 Based.

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

So Dan Schneider is a god?

[@Herpter_91]

Like Mark, I missed the very end and that legitimately made me cry. So good. So powerful

[@papouligaming9594]

I absolutely lost my mind when Odin said “Its Odin’ Time” and then he Odined all over Kratos at the end.

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

And then Vulture showed up at the end

[@superjlk_9538]

If someone told me a year ago that Sindri defeats Odin, I would have never believed them.

[@mikzpwnz_3199]

You mean kill, not defeat. At that point he was practically helpless.

[@ChadKakashi]

@@mikzpwnz_3199he took the kill so it counts. GOD KILLER SINDRI

[@Rokumasu853]

5:41:40 The fact that even now, with everything that’s happened to Sindri, Kratos still congratulates Atreus for the destruction of Hrimthur’s Flaw, and neither says anything to Sindri. Legitimately heartbreaking… 😢

[@Party_Almsivi]

God you can hear the pain in every swing from sindri in Tyr’s Temple after Brok dies.

[@kianrodriguez4455]

Might just be me looking too much into it but usually when you get near them in any other part of the game, you hear a constant and lively clanging. But in that part, it's slow and heavy, almost like a heartbeat

[@danishcartoonist545]

1:57:52 - Marc proves he’s a true cyborg by accidentally using auto tune with his natural voice.

[@Bleeds98]

In the myth, Odin and his two brothers basically kill Ymir and use his body to create the earth. The 9 realms basically exist in Ymir's skull. The clouds are chunks of his brain. The stars what's left of his thoughts and dreams. Each realm is a disc with Ymir's eyelashes wrapped around as a wall to contain them and to keep them from touching each other. The World Tree is his brain stem. And all water and life flows and grows from his blood. And it's the blood that nearly drowned all the giants. The murder of Ymir is the source of the conflict between the Aeser and the giants. So yeah, Odin wasn't a great guy even in the myth, but he made great use out of his father's corpse.

[@zjb2202]

Only one “um actually” to make here: Ymir isn’t Óðinn’s father. Borr/Burr (spelling depends on the source) is the father of Óðinn, and his brothers, Vili (who might be the same being as Hœnir) and Vé (who might be Lóðurr).

[@saltybrzrkr9804]

I really like the format on this one. Great couple videos, FANTASTIC channel. You guys are awesome!

[@blazingsilver7218]

4:40:40 another neat thing here is that his death has arrived. The next time he wakes up, he’s going to the battle he’s prophesied to die in. And like Mauler said, Kratos hasn’t pushed away the idea of just letting himself die, but as he tells Atreus his bedtime story, Kratos realizes that and what that would truly mean to let himself die. He has called for death, and now he must give an answer to death’s question.

[@StupidWeb]

The delivery on Heimdallr’s “Having FUN YET!?” is so good. Honestly props to his performance capture artist for making him so hatable, but someone you enjoy watching on screen

[@ChadKakashi]

I thoroughly enjoyed Heimdall.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

I'd love if in the next arc Kratos has to face the Roman Gods as reincarnations of the greeks and are out for revenge. Having this new Kratos in that context would be a fascinating conflict, being on the other side of vengeance.

[@NoPantsBaby]

That's actually a very interesting concept.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

@@NoPantsBaby thankyou

[@inferior3199]

I remember sharing a similar idea on Metals stream. I also jokingly added that he teams up with Jesus and the Roman gods were reincarnated with the help of Lucifer.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

@@inferior3199 if we have Jesus he'd be overpowered unless he sticks to support roles like healing people and multiplying food. If he goes full Revalations it's over. He already has Eternality as In not only is he immortal he can't die unless he lets himself die. Even on the cross he actually said "I give up my spirit" because no matter how much damage he takes he only dies when he chooses and then resurrected himself after a quick trip to the underworld. Reality Manipulations like changing water to wine turning the moon to blood blotting out the sun and unfolding the sky so people could see him as his army comes from another dimension also he made it so his enemies couldn't die until he wanted them to so they'd have to suffer starvation and disease even suicide wouldn't work. He even has a sword that comes from his mouth that cuts through mountains and armies when he speaks.

[@inferior3199]

@@wingsoffreedom3589 as a Christian I agree. The only way I can see them do it is in some broad and vague depiction like in Darksiders

[@solanumlycopersicum5594]

Detail about Sindri. At the funeral, his armor is dirty.

[@thoronbar]

At Brok's death, his armor gets covered in his blood. He never cleans it off.

[@ArnoModelstate]

6:53:50 On the path of becoming his own version of Tyr .... and a HUGE middle finger to when Odin said to Kratos "You were never worshiped ...".

[@samdurfee6093]

3:56:57 I missed it the first time but “Tyr” in this moment was framed an a pair of spears. Which is analogous to when Odin was framed in spears later.

[@scorchingflames8493]

You know when you think about it for bit in the game Odin acts more like Loki the god of mischief than Loki does in the lore.

[@VexdinLord]

Odin was always a cunning bastard, his plans were usually much more elaborate than Loki's but Loki was more well known to be a trickster just to piss people off.

[@deliciadeconta2596]

@@VexdinLord some people point it out and i kinda agree that Heimdall acts more like Loki than Loki, especially his attitude.

[@VexdinLord]

@@deliciadeconta2596 In some aspects, Atreus acts very much like Loki. The overconfidence and the ability to read people (though myth loki uses it more like Heimdall does.) I do agree that Odin and Heimdall incorporate some of the myth Loki's traits, though Odin is known for being a trickster himself. I'd look up the myth of Odin trying to steal a special mead from a Giant, it's a great example.

[@wwyd4akb]

@@VexdinLord I'm just glad they didn't do anything with Sleipnirs existence in the lore...

[@VexdinLord]

@@wwyd4akb Ah yes, I can't imagine Kratos is ready for grandchildren yet.

[@BaronB.BlazikenBaronOfBarons]

1:55:47 My opinion on Birgir’s sacrifice is that I think it’s supposed to carry more weight when you consider that, as previously stated by Freyr, the resistance had very little in number, so each lost soul mattered all the more. Also, even if you haven’t played the first Norse game, your very likely to encounter a traveler before this moment, so you know how tough they are. I don’t know, just something to consider.

[@MrKunecke]

Wow!!! Thank you, MauLer, Rags, Fringe, Metal Commander, and all the guests thank you. What a ride. This is my first God of War experience, and all of you have elevated the experience to a godly level. In this 2 part E.F.A.P episode I have laughed, cried, And had fun more than any other experience with E.F.A.P., Now it's top 3 along with Cinematic Venom: Lord of the Rings rants and Remarkable Republican: why Star Wars OT sucks. Hearing Christopher Judge as the voice of Kratos is a extremely cool casting. I have always loved Christopher since the stargate SG-1 era. I have missed him ever since, but this game has rebolstered why I love this actor.

[@mmariedennis]

The ending was happier than expected.

[@ryueldragonborn4145]

Great work Honestly perhaps your best work so far ! A lot of love and attention to story detail went into this game the same could be said about you guys analyzing it This goes down as one of the best events this decade

[@joshfdesigns]

Kratos' story is one of Aesop's Fables; The Old Man and Death.

[@FierceDeity35]

Kratos says he knew aesop in 2018, right before he tells the story of the tortoise and the hare.

[@joshfdesigns]

@@FierceDeity35 Ah yeah, that's neat. I forgot about that.

[@KingDilly]

I left this comment on the unlisted version, but decided to add it here, too: I don’t know if MauLer will read this, but to continue off from the whole “Tyr’s prison” question near the end: turns out, the prison IS a chunk of Asgard. Says so on the GoW wiki. I initially thought that, but when MauLer questioned if it was true, I did a quick skim through a random vid of the discovering Tyr segment and THOUGHT I read the character’s subtitles as referencing a separate Asgard chunk, NOT the prison. That’s what I get for doing half-***ed research, lol. I understand why MauLer didn’t believe the prison was from Asgard, and I agree: how the F*** did anyone survive within it!?

[@TheKpa11]

So do you think they did that because they felt that the real Tyr deserved to have his freedom? Cause from a story perspective; I think it would be more impactful if the original Tyr had be scattered to oblivion

[@KingDilly]

@@TheKpa11 Having Tyr alive does help bring a needed limitation on Odin’s power to impersonate (the fact that the one being impersonated needs to be alive and in that specific prison), so the idea of Tyr being alive this whole time isn’t that bad to me. I just have a hard time believing that anyone could survive in chunks of Asgard crashing into other realms like meteors. Now, maybe the chunks didn’t crash and simply “popped” into existence within each realm; but I haven’t any evidence of that, so I assume they crashed. Perhaps, instead of what we got, Kratos and the crew found the prison with everyone dead, and find Tyr’s body inside. This would add some more tragedy to the whole destruction of Asgard; the characters chose to bring about Ragnarok, result in Odin’s death, but also unknowingly Tyr’s. Personally, I prefer the idea MauLer and the rest had: the prison was always there, the squid gave them the seed that would unlock travel to there, and the debris of Asgard opened a path towards it.

[@ChadKakashi]

@@KingDillythat makes the most sense and proves that Durlin was under orders from Odin to give the mine’s location but also did supply out guys with means to get to real Tyr. No idea how he discovered where real Tyr was though.

[@hypnobraicracksalesman3028]

Dunno why, but this is the seckond time Kratos and Artreus had major character developement in Helheim

[@benzass95]

Idk if anybody has said it yet, but the reason Thor's stomach wound never heals is because the Leviathan Axe was imbued by Jormungandr's poison when Kratos and Atreus first meet him in GoW 2018.

[@irontuzi3453]

4:27:16 How do we know he has mastered bear form? After killing his enemy, he strikes a cool pose.

[@2xRainb0w]

Hey, it’s cause he doesn’t need kratos to ca him down and the next time he does it, it’s on purpose to save sindri.

[@jasonnewbery]

1:27:05 this scene with the wolves chasing the sun and moon is the most stunning visual i’ve ever witnessed in any form of medium. Absolutely beautiful and breathtaking

[@darkbum1510]

Brok the Gigachad saw through the lies of the Aesir

[@FierceDeity35]

Brok, seer of lies, master of iron, engineer of language, keeper of secrets and dropper of knowledge.

[@darkbum1510]

@@FierceDeity35 spitter of truth

[@zjb2202]

The portion of this stream where they highlight all of the scene with Óðinn disguised as Týr drew my attention to something that makes me appreciate their interpretation of the character. In many of the fornaldarsögur (stories from ancient times)-which have a great deal of mythological material-and the stories in Snorra Edda and the Poetic Edda, Óðinn will disguise himself in order to create disputes between people, because he’s literally trying to harvest heroes for the fight at Ragnarök (i.e. einherjar, “army of one”, einheri in the singular). I think it’s in Saxo Grammaticus’ Gesta Danorum (History of the Danes) in the story of Haraldr Wartooth it is stated that Óðinn gives him an immunity to iron and steel weapons-and fire, I think-to ensure that he becomes a long-lived glorious warrior-king. In a battle between Haraldr and Sigurðr Ring (the father of legendary Ragnarr loðbrók), Óðinn rides along with Haraldr on a chariot disguised as an old man and beats him to death with a wooden club to claim him. In the Poetic Edda, in a poem called Lokasenna (“Loki’s Truth-Speaking”), Loki actually roasts Óðinn for-among other things-selfishly raising up his favorite warriors just to make them potent warriors for Ragnarök. This has led to some theories as to why there are so few place names bearing Óðinn’s name compared to Þórr and Freyr/Freyja by a significant margin. This is related to the perspective that Óðinn was a god for the ruling class (those who participate in battles and would have an interest in an afterlife that rewards such acts), and Þórr is a more popular god for everyday people; a protector of Miðgarðr and a son the personification of earth herself, Jörð (a jötunn literally called “Earth”).

[@kevinappleman8521]

Late to the party as I just finished the game but a minor thing got passed up. Atraus says "I missed you too" which to me means that stored souls experience time, since last Fen was alive, he was in atraus's arms. It doesn't make atraus' decision to create Jorm a good one but provides a little more context to the state of souls stored in objects.

[@DiZtheJedi]

I bet Mauler wishes he had photo mode when he raced Mjolnir back to Thor on his first playthrough.

[@ChadKakashi]

I vaguely remember that. Was it a realm-shift moment?

[@DiZtheJedi]

@@ChadKakashi Yep. Thor threw the hammer, and Mauler got off a Realm Shift at just the right time that he was able to run at Thor and get there before Mjolnir got back to him. It was so cool.

[@worstwordmonger]

The cool thing about the mask that has an unknown origin outside of the nine realms had Greek writing on it. Atreus read off some of the words when trying to figure it out

[@kllwtt]

This was a very necessary efap.

[@AFopMostFoul]

Kratos and Thor is another version of Yondu and Rocket Raccoon is the greatest way and all I could hear at times during that immense fight was the line "I know who you are because you are me" The God of War duology is a masterpiece

[@alexhayden219]

6:00:00 I just don't get it. What's cringe about Freya trying to dominate Odin in this scene? I want Freya to choke me...

[@FierceDeity35]

It's these little morons who think women can't do anything. Yeah, there's characters like Rey or Captain Marvel who's power and success seeming come from womanhood, but Freya, and the GOW universe at large are far different. Don't forget who Freya is, she's a triple queen, queen of the aseir, queen of the vanir amd queen of the Valkyries, her saying "bow to your queen" is completely earned.

[@Zzzlol94]

6:22:10 The only mid-game camera cut in the entirety of both games. Used to its full potential to show that the main story is now over.

[@MaxRovensky]

I can't unhear Elena from Uncharted whenever Sif speaks, Emily Rose has a very recognizable voice

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

I knew it was familiar

[@DiZtheJedi]

Like Elastigirl from Dawn of Justice, I assume.

[@morfinny94]

And she basically *just* uses her natural voice. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing, but someone like Nolan North usually switches it up, he's Nathan Drake, David in TLOU, Modi in GoW, and I wouldn't be able to tell it's him if I didn't know.

[@MaxRovensky]

@@morfinny94 yeah, same for Laura Bailey - she's in freaking everything and I can never tell

[@ArnoModelstate]

1:28:30 Just LOVE how both wolves have the Eye colour of what they would hunt after !

[@Zeddyboi86]

The first EFAP in a while where I went out of my way to watch the entire thing. :)

[@DJprofessorK]

I relate to Odin. I constantly think about dying and there being nothing after that. That’s why I want to believe in an after life, life seems pointless without one

[@woutervanbinsbergen3368]

Said it before during Mauler's streams of GOWR: I want a 10-novel (or more) novelizaton of the story of the entire GOW story.

[@bigcoffinhunter5500]

The first game was novelized by Cory Barlogs father.

[@woutervanbinsbergen3368]

@@bigcoffinhunter5500 I know, GOW2 and GOW 2018 as well, not nearly enough. And, in my opinion, later games might be more interesting in a novelization, with greater complexity and character dynamics if side content was included.

[@bigcoffinhunter5500]

@@woutervanbinsbergen3368 Sorry, when I said first game I meant 2018. I had no idea the actual 1 and 2 were novelized as well. Dope.

[@brandonm1708]

Let this be a reminder that this is what can be done with a AAA studio that has *passion.* I only hope other developers take notes

[@Tyarrk]

oh they will ... pretty sure there will be enough copycats that will attempt to dress up their agendas with call backs and emotional "character" moments as well as plenty of action and more action.

[@brandonm1708]

@@Tyarrk and what agenda was GOW pushing?

[@Tyarrk]

@@brandonm1708 how about "fate is what you make of it"?

[@brandonm1708]

@@Tyarrk idk what kind of agenda that would even be in support of. I assume you mean something political?

[@Tyarrk]

@@brandonm1708 what i meant with my original response was: i doubt that those game/movie producers who always push (political) massages instead of producing good content (e.g. Disney), will most likely not learn anything from this apart from superficial stuff. Sorry if my sarcasm didn´t land.

[@fadedmogli5179]

The one thing I'd say is that sindri should have given atreus the escape button upgrade to his key when he was going to visit Freya. Would have made a lil more sense imo

[@FierceDeity35]

could have been the thing that inspired him to make it.

[@DJprofessorK]

I’ve never played or heard stuff about God of war. I was listening to this and the last podcast on my 18 hours drive and a lot of the dialogue alone got me in my feeling. Crazy good writing.

[@ClassicSteve]

5:50:00 - the knife through the hand, grounding Thor. Never overtly stated because the writers trust the player's intelligence.

[@Kernwadi]

*Whenever there is a silence during an EFAP episode, that lasts longer than a minute, I feel a strange sense of unease and discomfort.* But I'm a weird person.

[@alc4528]

Ragnarock itself was so disappointing. You’re in a empty room talking in front of Allies instead of an army you’re supposed to be leading. Seriously do the armies even know kratos is leading? This would be the part where kratos needs to win the hearts of the armies he’s about to lead. Instead there’s no connection to the armies and they’re gathered off screen by side characters. I swear they talked about how desperate they were but no one thought to bring Fenrir, skull, hati, and the world serpent. They all arrived on their own, no one thought to ask these powerful beings for assistance. Side not fenrir has portal abilities but no one thinks to use that, would’ve been cool if that’s how they got to Asgard because that’s just something Odin couldn’t predict. Why Odin didn’t just destroy the realm towers as soon as gahllahorn was lost I don’t know.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

Definitely the biggest issue I take with this game is Ragnarok itself cause I feel like they blew their load in the first 60-70 percent of the game and now it's just rushing to finish and doesn't have the resources to depict something as grand as Ragnarok is supposed to be. Barely any named characters on the good guy side die in the actual war. Actually, who even dies except for freyr? Battle of hogwarts had more impact than this

[@geminia999]

I can't help but feel the ending, while it hits the character beats, I feel like it somewhat fails the plot beat of this being an apocalypse for an entire realm. One, the war itself feels kind of lame, you fight in some gritty trenches, and it certainly doesn't come across as this huge calamity at least in the moment to me. Then I feel like the whole "but Odin is making these people fight" should have been considered more before than in the moment of after you injure/kill a bunch of them. And then you just go fight thor and Odin and it feels like none of this whole backdrop was really necessary because you basically do the important part all by yourself. I guess it just doesn't real feel like this huge thing that is either grand in scope or properly showcases the terrors of war. Also watching this, I'm kind of surprised there is not really a moment that is presented as the moment where Kratos could die? Like this is the major character moment for Kratos that the game has been building, about accepting his death, and then nothing really even properly threatens more than any other thing he did in the game. It's so forgotten you kind of even forget that it was a part of what they were supposed to be expecting to happen. This in turn also weakens how Ragnarok comes off, as there is nothing that actually even seems to come close to truly threatening Kratos, which just makes Ragnarok feel less impactful and cataclysmic an event. And lastly, while this may be from me not really remembering much of 2018, I feel like the game could have done more to properly show Odin actually doing more awful things. Because as it stands with the events he does during the time space of this game, he appears with Thor and says Thor can fight Kratos for revenge, he continues to imprison Tyr and impersonates him, he appears to kratos once to goad him, kills Brok, Kills Thor and attacks you at the end of the game. While those actions could certainly justify his death, I don't feel they really cement Ragnarok being specifically the thing that has to be done, and that the consequences of this war are deserved for it. He's certainly does alot more evil actions before the game, but I find it a bit harder to truly convince that destroying an entire realm is the only path. Also, find it odd that killing Baldur cause fimblewinter, but killing Heimdall, Thor dying, and Odin don't do anything besides make the realms better? Seems odd to ultimately say that killing these gods doesn't have a consequence and is basically all positive for those who have no care for Asgard, which is populated by Aesir, valkyries and people who made it to valhalla.

[@warrenharshaw7677]

I agree. It is like this game was rushed and should have been 2 games instead of one.

[@rustledentity5511]

That's how I felt about the Titan-Olympian war in God of War 3. On paper we're told that's a war, but the fighting happens off screen, and what little we do see of the war has the Olympians overwhelmingly defeat the Titans. From the perspective of Kratos -- and thus the player -- you're not fighting a war, you're doing a platformer, hack n slash adventure like you did in the last two games. A real war would be thousands of enemies fighting Kratos on an open battlefield, and they're swarming Kratos at every turn. A real war would have been hundreds of gods fighting hundreds of Titans at the same time, or fighting Kratos at the same time. For obvious programing reasons they didn't bother to handle it that way, since it would be hard to animate that kind of spectacle.

[@Mierezkal]

Just would like to point out that the world ending war to usher in a new age had less screen time than riding a fucking bison with Angroboda.

[@fadedmogli5179]

I disagree with the take that it doesn't feel like a real war. There is shit tons goin on in the background if your looking at it. The reality is that there is simply no way a war like this would be long at all. The factors at play are that the attacking side is an all out offensive that has no intention of a retreat. They also have no camps in asgard so this war is going to be fought until one side loses with no reprieve. The outside fighting is a scramble so there is essentially just a scatter of Odins forces along the outside of the wall. Kratos being kratos will make it to the war machines rather quickly and simply because there is no chain of command in odins army, he's relying on overwhelming numbers. They can't relay his position and concentrate forces on him. From that point forward, he only has to stop the war machines and breach asgards walls, since his forces are concentrated outside the wall, the only forces to intercept Kratos are the einherjar that are respawing. Odin didn't know about the flaw so the only thing that could breach asgard was Ragnorok as far as he knew. He had no reason to put forces inside. We were given all the info on why this was going to be a quick moving scramble of a war and not some drawn out affair. The realms simply didn't have the foothold or means to do anything more than an all out singular offensive.

[@samwallaceart288]

I really like everything they managed to do with this story; but you raise fair points. Would've been really cool to see it expanded there.

[@729060]

What do I have to sacrifice to get even half this storytelling in TV and movies these days?

[@NoPantsBaby]

2:52:18 I see no reason why Sif would EVER encourage Thor to murder Atreus. I mean all Atreus did was kill her son in a moment of absolute sadism drunk on new found godly powers. That's hardly something to even be remotely annoyed over or desire vengeance for. Sif is just chill and not at all treats Atreus like a plague rat in every interaction with him up to this point.

[@troo_6656]

None of them know this. They are under the impression that Kratos killed them. In which the logic is "They were thrown at Allfather's problems like brittle knifes at the mountain face." Even if they somehow knew it was Atreus specifically who killed Modi they have no way of knowing why and with what intent he did it. What you wrote there mate is the audience's pov not Sif's

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

Adding onto Troo_66's point, having met Atreus, he does not seem like a bloodthirsty killer. He seems like a goodie two shoes... So the one left to blame is either Kratos, which they do blame... AND Odin. Which is who her speech aims the blame at. Thor simply didn't have it in him in that moment to go against Odin.

[@jasonnewbery]

One thing that bugged me was when Atreyus leaves its when he freed garm. When he returns to asgard odin doesn’t even bother to mention it again. Found that strange

[@FierceDeity35]

I dont think Odin really cared.

[@awesomeavis7861]

Garm couldn’t harm Asgard and Odin doesn’t care about any of the other realms

[@CtisGaming]

21:00 I always thought tge Blades of Chaos kept Kratos warm through their heat and being bound to his flesh/ soul still.

[@deinemutter3112]

The mask seemed to have hieroglyphs on it, so that might be a subtle hint that the next title would take place in Egypt. Maybe Atreus' search for giant souls could take him to Egypt and after some sort of egyptian pantheon related complication, Kratos and hopefully Mimir and Freia have to make their way south to assist BOI.

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

Can't wait for Moon Knight to rewind the sky in GoW Rise of Ra and then fight Kratos in a big kaiju battle...

[@deinemutter3112]

@@greatclubsandwich5612 Don't forget that She-hulk will kill Kratos with a golf club afterwards, and replace him as the new protagonist of the series.

[@naoiwatani8402]

Atreus also reads some Greek words off of the mask when Odin first gives it to him.

[@deinemutter3112]

@@naoiwatani8402 I didn't notice that. If there are multiple languages on the mask that ivalidates the Egypt theory. Still if there ever is a newd GoW game, Egypt is an interesting direction to take.

[@colinwalker4824]

Feels like when Thor says “we are destroyers” and kratos responds “no more…….. no more” the first time he says it is as an end to what Thor said as though he is meaning that we are not destroyers anymore. The second is him saying that he doesn’t want to continue the fight. It’s like when he said “no” twice in totally different tones in a scene much earlier

[@ChadKakashi]

6:06:50 he binds his noose to Gungnir then uses it to extend its range. So cool.

[@majomajo1835]

Wouldn't it have been easier to use Garm to attack Asgard directly? Mimir and the others knew of his ability to rip holes between realms, and Atreus and Angrboda had full control over him. So why not invade Odin's bedroom full force and capture or kill him?

[@geminia999]

Because despite having an hour+ dedicated to fighting the big wolf, the game forgot he existed

[@asepsisaficionado7376]

I guarantee you that was their original plan but they ran out of time/forgot about him

[@Mierezkal]

Yes it would, unfortunately the writers (and sony fanboys) just kinda forgot.

[@WillofDD]

For one Odin probably has wards protecting Asgard proper, especially with that giant wall. Also the giant wolf isn't subtle. And lastly Odin himself is a very powerful sorcerer. It took the combined efforts of three gods to bring him down (story wise.) Odin Allfucker isn't a pushover.

[@makaveliThadon100]

I wonder why Mr. Objective himself didn't point this out.

[@chtulurr]

Mauler is so good at explaining things that I either didn't notice or not unconsciohsly noticed

[@ithewho6603]

It is hard to notice things when you're knocked out, lol.

[@Rokumasu853]

4:46:00 Pandering to the classic male fantasy of being a father who’s strong enough to protect his son, whom he loves deeply. Typical…

[@Skyraider_23]

Ahhhh now that I finished Ragnarok I can come back and watch this and 217

[@ODST_Parker]

Forgive me for being two months late to watch the God of War arc (work has gotten me very behind on EFAP), but this needs to be said. I've never played a single God of War game. I've never even owned a PlayStation. I remember watching the original games once, didn't think much of them. I remember watching the new God of War and thinking it was an incredible reimagining of that classic franchise. Now I've watched this, and it genuinely made me tear up multiple times over this story. Didn't care about this franchise one bit, and it made me fucking cry over it. Maybe I'm more than a little biased, having lost my own father and having all the emotional triggers which come with that, but I think this story is a masterpiece, plain and simple. What a fucking amazing game.

[@happypuppy-i4k]

No. In the beginning, Odin could have killed Kratos. There wasn't a single reason for Odin to keep Kratos alive. With Kratos dead, Odin could have mislead Atreus beyond. The story was okay.

[@primebailey5747]

​@@happypuppy-i4kWhy would atreus work or even listen to odin if he killed kratos. He's only willing to work with odin to save kratos

[@happypuppy-i4k]

@@primebailey5747 Odin can shape shift. Atreus would not even realize it.

[@primebailey5747]

@@happypuppy-i4k To Kratos? I'm mean I'm sure atrues would be smart enough to realise and then who else could he shapshift as. Tyr worked cause nobody had seen him for years and assumed he was tortured constantly by odin.

[@Lunartic_]

Odin being branded as the Norse Hitler is the part I really hate the about the story. The worst part was when taking the boat and Mimir and Atreus start listing Giants that Odin and Thor have killed without context when there's good context in Mythology but it's impossible to say what was copy pasted from there and what they've changed. I know, I know, it's an adaption argument but I'm not calling it bad. I simply dislike it. Also, what's with condescending attitude with people who know something about Norse Mythology? Of course you might see more of them now because GoW Ragrarök is a big topic so they didn't just "appear" out of nowhere.

[@morfinny94]

I think the condescending attitude is due to how some of those people behave. They often bring up mythology as a legitimate criticism of characters and story when it's just not - it's preference. As far as I'm concerned you can fuck with mythology as much as you want to serve the story you want to tell. It's been done a lot before GoW Ragnarök came along, too.

[@WillofDD]

It's God of War. If we knickpick the inaccuracies of norse stuff we may as well do the same with the Greek stuff.

[@Lunartic_]

@@WillofDD Don't mind if we do. Personally just don't care for Greek mythology but they didn't need to portrait Zeus as Stalin for players to care about killing them.

[@WillofDD]

@@Lunartic_ I mean... they portrayed Zeus as an arrogant tyrant who didn't care about his worshippers either. In fact there was a cutscene of him destroying Sparta simply to spite Kratos in GOW2.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@Lunartic_ Therein lies the issue no? You don't care about the Greek stuff so the magnitude of inaccuracies that have always been present don't bother you until now

[@Agiranto]

Kratos best dad 2022 confirmed?

[@TerranArt]

Rewatching those dialogues outside the cutscenes really makes freya sound even more monotone

[@takashi-lee3943]

The fact that Asgard has peices everywhere tells me atleasts that it shot across the relms and what didnt land went into wherever is at the bottom of the tree

[@gingeranagram2467]

Psh... an incredibly well-written, memorable, strong woman character that isn't just a perfect hero Mary Sue? W O K E -_- Some of yall... I swear to God

[@alexhayden219]

"I'm a trained writer, and this thing that everyone is praising specifically for its writing is bad." Well, I'm convinced. To be clear, maybe everyone is stupid. That seems to be the case with certain movies that have people claiming are genius by saying it's stupid on purpose. But, you're going to have to do more to convince me than saying "Trust me. I'm a trained writer." There's lots of "trained writers" completely fucking up the MCU right now.

[@FierceDeity35]

Also "trained writer" is subjective beyond belief. Trained by who? Trained in what? A boxer and a sniper are both trained fighters, but who's going to win in a fight?

[@tkopp10976]

Here's how you know when someone is providing great characters in a great story... it's when EFAP can let it run for minutes at time, not having to pause for blatant stupidity, and just bask in the glory.

[@happypuppy-i4k]

Or because they have no idea how to explain away the horrible logic of the character's decisions. There is literally no reason for Odin to have let Kratos live after Thor kills him. It would have been way too easy for Odin to manipulate Atreus. Not even Mauler could explain the reasoning. Edit, I very much enjoyed the game and story. On my third playthrough

[@Cheesytarian]

​@isheetfromaswhole3657 Odin didn't know that had happened. He was talking to Atreus at home. Thor wanted a good fight, that's all.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

​@@happypuppy-i4kI mean, if the Aesir kill Kratos, no way in hell would Atreus ever entertain the idea of working with them

[@torchedheavily]

"I have died before" Brok probably.