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[@phuqutoob-pf7pb]

Negative criticism started becoming more prominent as a natural counterbalance to bough-and-paid-for fake positive reviews

[@jonafen5504]

Yes! Well said!

[@Soyuz2578]

Indeed.. perfect example - Global Shop Direct 😂😂😂

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Not to mention the ‘toxic positivity’ and ‘fake-it-till-you-make-it’ cultures.

[@nuclearicebreaker]

Constructive criticism of films makes no sense. The movie is already made. lol

[@Dr.Pelican-bw2zs]

@@nuclearicebreaker What about for sequals to said movie? What about other movies that may want to achieve something similar in a different way? True, one story will never be told again, but constructive criticism can help other artists (and in this case writers) make something better. It's about critiquing the genre, not necessarily the movie exclusively.

[@silverfox8209]

Mauler's joy at seeing his friends' videos appearing on screen was so precious

[@StupidWeb]

Timestamp?

[@dumbino7745]

@@StupidWeb 3:09:04 probably was talking about this

[@colinwalker4824]

It’s truly the one and only joy in my life

[@aaronmueller1560]

This felt like a collage of all the videos you’ve covered. The constant “this is just my opinion, don’t come after me pls,” the shots at other creators, the referencing of old unknown authors as if they are common knowledge, the inability to answer their own title, the absolute hypocrisy throughout and disproving their points with their own examples, the focus on how negativity is always bad and the seeming implication that positivity can never be bad, the pretentious artsy statements about life that maybe sound pleasant but are absolute bollocks if you listen to them, references nitpicks without defining them, we even got us an “I didn’t want to make this video” (though in this case it was “I didn’t want to make some other videos I made”). It’s all there, like it’s been AI generated.

[@AndrewThoesen]

Also his voice is incredibly grating

[@williamcronshaw5262]

I absolutely hate when people use "it's just my opinion" to deflect basically any discussion. If it's just your opinion and you don't want it's validity to be challenged or questioned than don't post it on a public forum. Simple as that.

[@Kernwadi]

Chess hasn't been updated in almost 200 years and it's obvious the devs have abandoned it. The greedy creators took your money and laughed all the way to the bank. I remember back in 705 AD when chess was fun. Then they started adding stupid features no one wanted like "Castling" and "En Passant" instead of listening to player feedback and fixing game-breaking bugs. I've been complaining for YEARS about the collision-detection glitch with the horsey. The "clipping-thru-pieces" bug has been abused to death and the lazy devs refuse to fix it. Don't support this awful behaviour and boycott this company.

[@ashscott6068]

@@Kernwadi You still play that game? i completed it when it came out.

[@timfleszewski8666]

I legit thought the guy in the video was quoting GDELB it's crazy

[@KneelB4Bacon]

Someone made a great point on an earlier EFAP about the "Rings of Power" series. One of the show's defenders was saying that negative criticism hurts the fan-base and reduces the overall level of enjoyment in the world. And someone on the show rightfully said, "That is the attitude of a child. If someone is shitting in a park, who do you criticize? The guy who is shitting there or the rest of us for pointing it out?"

[@JustAnArrogantAlien]

That’s Just Write’s argument: “I’m reducing the happiness in the world.” Pure cringe. Given how awful “Rings of Puke” was and how universally the Tolkien fandom hated it, if anyone is hurting the fan base it’s defenders like him, encouraging fans to swallow their standards and just blindly support garbage.

[@nodot17]

It always baffles me that people think( or atleast try to trick their audience into thinking) that negative reviews are a new phenomenon. It's gonna blow there mind when Sir Rivelon's journal is found and they see his negative review of the play Romeo and Juliette. Probably called it phish posh.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Let's not forget the famous complaint tablet to Ea-nāṣir from a guy named Nanni that's dated to around 1750 BCE complaining about a shipment of copper ingots being substandard as well as his servant sent to pick up the shipment being treated rudely along with issues with another delivery he had.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

​@@Lobsterwithinternet I'm a bit embarrassed that the only reason i know this is "bronze age memes"

[@InnocentKhajiit]

​@@Lobsterwithinternet is the tablet you're referencing the oldest known case of writing one?

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@InnocentKhajiit Yep. Oldest complaint ever found.

[@TheTGOAC]

It's so weird people think negative criticism is something new when some of the most famous quotes in history are well known figures shitting on each other relentlessly, to a painfully petty degree in some cases.

[@jonafen5504]

I like how he says "it's just my opinion" and "I'm a hypocrite" in the beginning, as if that means he's beyond criticism. Also, admitting to your hypocrisy doesn't take away from the fact that you're a hypocrite and that it's bad.

[@David_the_Psalmist]

“First remove the plank in your eye so you can see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” You have to *remove* the plank. That’s the key word there. It doesn’t help to just say the plank is there and then leave it.

[@inquisitionagent9052]

Its not having the effect he believes it's having. When people show you who they are, believe them. Why should I listen to anything a hypocrite has to say

[@DaMaster012]

It's a weird form of virtue signaling lesser people do. It's as if they're thinking to themselves: "I admitted I'm not a very good person, which means I'm humble, which actually means I'm a very good person." But they never actually do anything to repent of the things they're confessing to. It's the same tactic hack writers have when they hang lampshades on their own work, calling attention to their own egregious plot holes and then moving on without actually doing anything to fix the plot hole, as if that alone absolutes the plot holes (it doesn't). It's the inverse but similar to when a narcissist tries to coax forgiveness from you by feigning penitence, but without actually doing anything to repent: they don't even say "I'm sorry" for anything they've done.

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodc8475]

In an absolutely shocking term of events, stating you have no credibility doesn't really help people get convinced that you're making a good and valid point

[@bifffranklin5056]

Longman! What have I said about illegally short EFAPS? Awesome to see Nutsa on again. S-tier guest.

[@Kernwadi]

*Nut.*

[@Tridona]

@@Kernwadi I'm ashamed at how much that comment made me laugh

[@Kernwadi]

@@Tridona Good.

[@ashscott6068]

I've never understood why people say "Don't be negative" or "Stop finding fault". Do those people drive 100 miles on a flat tyre? Or do they acknowledge that driving on a flat fucking sucks, and the situation needs to change ASAP? NO. They don't! They KNOW that finding fault is how you fix faults, or avoid having your day ruined by them. They don't believe their own words, but they're afraid to say what they really mean: "Don't criticise a thing I like, because I'm afraid that I'm so easily led that I'll stop liking it", or "Don't suggest that the situation can be improved, because I'm fucking lazy, and my heart is set on just enduring the status quo, because I can't be bothered to implement a solution"

[@Coconut-219]

People don't want the problem to be fixed especially when they are part of the problem.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Don't criticize a thing I like, because I'm afraid that I'm so easily led that I'll stop liking it", or "Don't suggest that the situation can be improved, because I'm fucking lazy, and my heart is set on just enduring the status quo, because I can't be bothered to implement a solution" is literally the perfect way to describe the Fandom Initiative.

[@JustAnArrogantAlien]

It shows incredible insecurity on their part if watching a negative review can lead them to stop liking a film. You’re allowed to like bad movies and even dislike good ones, for heaven’s sake.

[@yetanotherspuart3993]

They ONLY ever send by their "don't be negative" statement when it is something they love. Goes right out the window when they et to be negative about they are neutral to or dislike.

[@deriznohappehquite]

I think it can be more valuable to try to find successful elements in media.

[@JulianDoe]

Timestamps 0:00 Grace Randolph 1:06 Ben Shapiro 2:19 The Future 6:07 Welcome 6:31 Film Criticism 13:35 Hateful Start 17:54 Tattoo 18:36 Analysing Negative Criticism 31:13 Just My Opinion 33:09 On The Wall 34:09 Personally 34:50 That Music 38:37 John Dh@§&dam 39:32 The Best Light 40:49 Shades Of Criticism & Accuracy 43:07 Finch 43:30 Criticism & Context 46:10 Define The Definition 47:05 Wiping Out The Extreme 49:19 Yang, Ying & Fring 51:08 Animal Crossing & Validating Art 52:49 KZbin, Informations & Bias 58:45 The Shill Side 59:50 Ezra Miller 1:00:01 Favourite Creators 1:01:51 The Appeal Of Positivity 1:07:32 Origin Of Criticism 1:09:10 Nitpicking 1:12:43 Cinema Sins & Co 1:15:22 Plinkett 1:26:42 Reviews As Entertainment 1:34:37 YMS 1:40:00 The Algorithm 1:48:12 Misuse 1:49:50 Negativity Bias 1:54:27 Engagement & Motivation 2:03:04 Monetization 2:06:18 Why? 2:10:59 Is Negativity Bad? 2:12:34 The Trade Off 2:15:42 Defining & Differentiating 2:22:08 The Appeal 2:23:11 Simpsons & South Park 2:25:30 Rags P.I. 2:27:32 The Algorithm 2:30:06 Music, Cards,& Pokemon 2:36:45 What Would You Do? 2:38:34 What Are You Doing? 2:40:07 KitKat 2:43:57 A Bad Analogy 2:46:37 Articles 2:48:09 The Tabloid Journalist 2:52:58 Are Movies Getting Worse 2:54:41 Wayne? Music 2:55:30 Perception 2:57:36 What Is Cinema? 3:00:06 Levels Of Quality 3:01:28 Negative Turnaround 3:04:50 Forgettable Movies 3:06:31 Too Many Movies 3:08:26 Being Better Than A Movie 3:09:07 Endorsement 3:09:47 KZbin vs Movies 3:11:21 VHS & DVD 3:17:57 Top 10 3:23:32 Recency Effect 3:26:09 Art 3:27:02 The Past 3:39:48 Being Negative About Negativity 3:42:58 A Negative Conclusion 3:44:01 Insluting Movies 3:46:44 The Great Final 3:57:28 Motive 3:58:11 Apex 4:01:15 Do We Want Good Movies? 4:03:11 How Does It Make You Feel? 4:04:51 What I Love 4:14:14 The Value Of Criticism 4:17:54 A Time For Healing 4:20:53 Helpful Criticism 4:23:16 Videogames Can Never Be Art 4:24:25 Legitimizing Art 4:29:48 A Grey New World 4:32:00 Conclusions? Nah 4:32:43 A New Video 4:34:15 Simplify 4:35:13 Rotten Tomatoes 4:39:52 Reliable Reviews 4:41:52 The Problem With Art 4:49:19 Name The Critics 4:52:50 Good Fate 4:54:20 Personal 4:56:17 Comments 4:57:49 Heading Out 5:00:15 The Algorithm Is Back, Baby! 5:02:55 The YT Community 5:05:35 Elitism 5:07:06 Caveats & Familiarity 5:08:52 Rags & The Egyptian 5:09:30 Familiarity 5:10:35 Judging & Generalization 5:11:55 Video Analysis 5:12:25 Opinions 5:14:21 The Comment 5:15:00 Ending, Numbers, Dolphins & The Humanity Of Art 5:18:00 Nuance & Oversimplification 5:19:00 Art Is The Enemy Of Democracy 5:21:54 Conclusions 5:25:10 Saluting The Guests 5:27:50 Shutting Down Keyboard shortcuts 1 - 33:00 2 - 1:06:00 3 - 1:39:00 4 - 2:12:00 5 - 2:45:00 6 - 3:18:51 7 - 3:51:00 8 - 4:24:00 9 - 4:57:00

[@Kernwadi]

But what about the man-milk?

[@thepebbleinstitute7702]

Damn you are fast. Pillar of the community right here.

[@JulianDoe]

@@Kernwadi What Is A Man?

[@JulianDoe]

@@thepebbleinstitute7702 well today I'm quite slow. I had a session this morning and I'm still timestamping the last hour.

[@Kernwadi]

@@JulianDoe Not a woman, that's for sure.

[@gottesurteil3201]

The moment this guy esteemed Lindsay Elis above Doug Walker as a "pioneer of internet criticism" was definitely the jump the shark moment. Before that his statements were reasonably stupid.

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

Yeah like as much as Doug gets shit, to act like he didn’t have a impact on internet critic culture in general is absurd, they’re likely wouldn’t be a Lindsay Elis. (As critic not a person of course)

[@hope-cat4894]

Lindsey won a contest to become the Nostalgia Chick. He's definitely a fake fan of hers to not know the _That Guy with the Glasses_ lore.

[@chipsnfish7716]

@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 Just a bit curious, what exactly happened with Doug? I‘m not really familiar with that controversy

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

@@chipsnfish7716 a lot of controversy mainly with the company he works with and general f ups when filming anniversaries special thou a lot of the doc has way later come out to the claims being greatly exaggerated or false at points. So take some of it with a grain of salt, still he is going strong even today so that’s pretty good in my books.

[@CMCAdvanced]

@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 It's so obvious that Doug Walker didn't have anything to do with Lindsay Ellis being a person that it makes you think...that's what they want you to think. Doug Walker is The Nostalgia Critic in.....Doug Walker: Nostalgia Critic - The Inception of Lindsay Ellis, a time traveling epic spanning centuries that explains why Lindsay Ellis and more importantly, HOW Lindsay Ellis

[@afrojive]

Criticism should be based in reality and accurate. IT'S CRITICISM!!!

[@patrioticcat5768]

Adults call it criticism and children call it hating/negative.

[@soulsearcher9620]

Accurate and good faith, both good and bad highlighted and represented fairly. Vivarium is the worst movie I have ever seen in terms of story, characters, logic, themes, everything. However I give it props for acting. The rest is garbage though. Never watch it.

[@fluff6811]

@@soulsearcher9620 I don’t actually think it’s possible to represent something accurately but also in bad faith, presenting something in good faith doesn’t necessarily require accuracy, but accuracy necessarily requires good faith.

[@elyrienvalkyr8167]

Criticism doesn't "need" to be factual or logical. If something causes a specific emotion, that's also equally valid to a factual error. Specially when the whole medium exists to cause emotional reactions and provoke certain thoughts/feelings

[@scienceviking4490]

​@@elyrienvalkyr8167 Being factual and using logic is the only way to tell whether a piece of media actually caused a particular emotional experience, though. For example you might really enjoy a movie because it's very well crafted, or you might enjoy it because it's the last movie you watched with your father before he died. If you just tell me how you feel about the film, I don't know how much of that is caused by the film, and how much is caused by this experience that was unique to you. It's important that we only give films credit and blame for the emotions that they actually cause, so we need to use facts and reason to figure out which emotions were actually caused by the film.

[@scienceviking4490]

I think part of why negative reviews are so successful is that a review of a bad movie is almost always more entertaining than the movie being reviewed, so people will watch the review instead of the movie. By comparison, if the movie is good, a lot of people will just watch the movie, even if the review is also good. For example, I've seen The Father more times than I've seen Mauler's review of The Father, but I've seen Mauler's review of TLJ more times than I've seen TLJ.

[@JustAnArrogantAlien]

It is as _Ratatouille_ said: negative criticism is more fun to write and to read. Nothing wrong with getting more entertainment out of watching films get bludgeoned.

[@hafirenggayuda]

Well, good movies also get discussions for their themes and stories. For example; PIB last wish have lots of topics for Puss panic attacks, Horners villainy, Perrito happy outlook and many more. Good movies talk about things that make them succesful. On other hand, bad movies usually talk about things that make them failed, of course they will be negative.

[@evald1474]

Ahh the sweet irony of berating creators for being 'too negative.' Remember, always be positive unless you're calling out negativity... Statements like these paired with the endless 'I don't really mean that' caveats just go to show that this take is probably slapped together from touchy, emotional knee jerking from criticism of media he likes.

[@Kernwadi]

Why was 6 afraid of 7? It's a fairly common question, mostly because when people see 6 and 7 next to each other, it doesn't really make sense. 6 is large, muscled, and trained in multiple martial arts, while 7 is fairly average, physically, and short. However, 6's fear of 7 has its roots in childhood. See, 6 and 7 grew up together, and for a few years, they were best friends. But then 6 kissed 3, and they became childhood sweethearts. 7 secretly had feelings for 3, so 7 decided he needed to destroy 6 to win 3's affection. He started subtly, undermining 6 whenever possible with passive aggressive comments and compli-sults. But over time, things got much more insidious. 7 started messing with 6's performance in school, bringing down his grades and turning teachers against him. Even worse, 7 became great friends with 6's parents and slowly turned them against their own offspring. At night, 7 would sneak into 6's bedroom, and whisper depressing and hopeless things into his ears. Every time 3 was around, 7 would pants 6 and make fun of his genitalia, or try to body shame him in other ways. However, 3 was both smart and compassionate, and saw through 7's schemes, sticking with 6, trying to counter 7's psychological tear-down with compliments and friendship. Finally, 7 decided that he would never be able to win 3, so he drugged both 6 and 3, taking them to an abandoned cobbler's hut on the edge of town. There, he proceeded to torture and maim 3, forcing 6 to watch in horror, unable to do anything to save his sweetheart. 7 didn't kill 3, but instead, put her in a semi-vegetative state. 7 cleaned the scene of his prescence, then called the cops, having 6 blamed for 3's condition. 6 was sent to prison, believing 6 was guilty, 6's parents fell into a deep depression, eventually committing suicide over what they believed 6 had done. After serving 17 years of a 30 year sentence, and getting out on good behaviour, 6, now muscled and skilled as a fighter, thought he might get revenge on 7. But when he finally tracked down 7, he found out that 7 had installed a micro-bomb into 3's body, and should he be killed, the bomb would automatically go off and kill 3 as well. And though she was still in a mostly fugue state, 6 couldn't bring himself to hurt her any further, and decided to try and move on with his life. However, being an ex-con, it was difficult for him to get a job. 6 finally found employment at a diner, which 7 then bought, and proceeded to again undermine and toy with 6 at every turn. 6 tried to find employment elsewhere, but 7 contacted any potential employer and soured them against 6. 6 finally realized that no matter what he did, 7 was going to try and ruin his life, and he resigned himself to living as a broken, lonely man, never able to stand up to the depraved, amoral 7.

[@evald1474]

@@Kernwadi And then you realize all the numbers' issues were caused by 11, secretly hiding in the shadows, cackling and rubbing his hands together

[@JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy]

I think he wasn't even speaking about critics here. Merely people masquerading as critics, but are fans of certain properties and bring all their emotional baggage due to feeling slighted by a movie that may have been decent to not so good and go all out in these pitiful rants about some studio or directing ruined their favorite franchise. I just think he didn't articulate that point well enough. Just because someone has an opinion on a movie doesn't make them a film critic.

[@evald1474]

@@JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy he brought up yms and plinkett by name. Also anyone with an opinion about a movie is a movie critic, just not necessarily a professional one. I don't particularly care how much people hate or like movies as long as the references are correct.

[@evald1474]

@@JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy I do agree that people can be way too emotionally invested in certain media however. The problem arises when this emotional attachment translates to inaccurate or bad faith analysis

[@JustAnArrogantAlien]

This guy’s inference that criticism somehow began with Aristotle tickles me. As if criticizing isn’t as old as art itself! I’m sure there was some caveman once, drawing his latest kills on the wall of his lair, only to have some other guy come up and say “Your mammoth suck. It trunk too big. Where its organs?” And then they clubbed each other for the next ten minutes. Mankind hasn’t changed.

[@justafan9399]

That has to be one of the funniest analogies I’ve heard of in a while.

[@gypsylee333]

"Where it's organs?" Was the artist being a mammoth fatphobe? 😂 Drawing skinny, unrealistic mammoths?

[@dadocta5168]

Here's a negative critique towards "Film criticism should not be negative": 1. Is this audiences only or critics as well? 2. What is the point of criticism if we can't be negative? 3. How does this individual define "negative"? 4. Where's the fun if we can't let out our rage, sadness, and despair when we watch bad movies? 5. Are movies/shows/games allowed to be negative?

[@Avarn388]

@Da Docta I'd say my response would be it's about having a thick skin. It's one thing to dispute things wrong within a critique, like getting facts wrong or poor argumentation, but ultimately you need to realize folks have a right to feel the way that they feel. You can disagree but I find when a creator; how you respond to that criticism can say a lot about you. Because while I thought the third Jurassic World movie was utter crap, I'll give Colin Trevorrow credit in that he promised the fans he'd do better. Keep in mind, those films made a billion and Colin had zero reasons to make a response. But the fact he did, made me want to see the next one, even if it sucked. Film folks and individuals who are to used to be coddled and told they are awesome; rather than accepting folks will not like you or your work/ have problems with it. That's why I say have an open mind, even if you disagree.

[@FisherTheOtter]

Even if they got their way, negativity would be expressed by the lower quantities of positive comments. "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything... why is no one saying anything?"

[@dadocta5168]

@Bill Clinton Enjoyer I was joking about the bloke in the video who they're covering, geez.

[@danishcartoonist545]

I like that Nutsa was speaking a lot more in this episode. She remains good rat. Also it was great to see Dasbo back! Missed him!

[@151monka]

The EFAP community is fucking great...😂 Only 'place' where calling someone "good rat" is a genuine high-tier compliment...😊

[@mr.e2239]

It's amazing how this video can boil down to; guy is overwhelmed by negativity because of shitty high-budget films, blames that negativity on film critics pointing out that those films are shit.

[@Soyuz2578]

Been a while since Das has been on hes always good for a laugh. Also its a bit hard to be not negative with all the garbage that Hollywood has been churning out the last however long

[@MediumRareOpinions]

He's a busy boy these days, I hear he's toiling away in the editing suite.

[@Kernwadi]

I am living in your walls. You may be concerned about this. In case you are, please read the below: Why are you living in my walls? I'm not going to tell you. Are you only in my walls? You could say I am living in everybody's walls, but in the case I am telling you that I am living in your walls, I am living in your walls. How are you surviving in my walls? In my non-physical form, I am crawling around listening for you. That is all I need to survive in that form. In my physical form, I survive by eating rat corpses that I cook using the wall behind your oven, and I drink the vapour in the extraction fan duct above your shower. What are you planning to do in my walls? Live in them, listening to you. What do I do about you living in my walls? Listen for the scraping. Dont touch the walls. Protect yourself. Avoid lighting candles. When are you going to stop living in my walls? You cannot escape me. Do I call the police? The authorities will not help you. What are the consequences of you living in my walls? Be aware. What if I am ok with you living in my walls? I will make sure you’re not. Are you imaginary? I AM LIVING IN YOUR WALLS I AM LIVING IN YOUR WALLS I AM LIVING IN YOUR WALLS I AM LIVING IN YOUR WALLS I AM LIVING IN YOUR WALLS I AM LIVING IN YOUR WALLS I AM LIVING IN YOUR WALLS I AM LIVING IN YOUR WALLS If there are any more questions then please consult your walls by directly speaking to them. Summary: I am living in your walls.

[@Soyuz2578]

​@@Kernwadi Christ... And you had to write this comment as I'm lying here in bed at 3:30 am 😂😂😂

[@Kernwadi]

@@Soyuz2578 If you knock on the wall in the right place, I might knock back.

[@MrRobotdragon]

He's our Batwoman's hidden hero

[@Indigo_Gaming]

MST3K definitely had a negative (though often sarcastic) undertone. I distinctly remember the episode where they covered The Wild World of Batwoman, where by the end of the movie, Tom Servo screeched, *"EEEEENNNNDDD!"* 🤣 Aired Nov 13, 1993, so negative criticism as entertainment has been around for well over 30 years at least.

[@ggrarl]

"What do you think the lesson of the movie was?" "Don't watch it!"

[@Alicorn_]

I had no idea MST3K was that old. It premiered in 1988. I honestly just assumed it was an indie webshow from the 2000s.

[@ggrarl]

@@Alicorn_ well, live and learn, and keep circulating the tapes

[@derfel72]

Good to see/ hear Nutsa hanging with the EFAP crew again. 😎

[@EndlessVacuum]

It's more helpful to hear 'this movie is probably going to ruin your whole day' than 'this movie is pretty okay'.

[@righteousindifference3179]

1:12:37 "you're nit picking" Right. And if there are enough nits in your hair, it means you have lice. It's a bad deflection of criticism of your lousy thing.

[@LukasJampen]

Film criticism should not be negative. Translation: Be yes men and asskissers and never try to make a medium better. So just consume product and get excited about next product, never engage with media and never try to improve it by saying what could have been done better or what didn't work.

[@JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy]

They shouldn't be though... a film critic should enjoy their job. Enjoy talking about a film they didn't like or loved. Such cases for emotional outbursts should be rare as nearly all film is inoffensive if not simply "just bad". But om KZbin we have to get the clicks and bait people that the sky is constantly falling in order to get someone to watch it. It's laughable in its own form and to call it "film criticsm" is really diminishing. Lol

[@BDaltonYoung]

​@@JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy So....what if the critic _enjoys_ being negative?

[@JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy]

@Dalton Young And that has happened in the past (granted, eventually, people stop listening to them), but it becomes the individuals decision on what to do. And even that whole community becomes just annoying to share any opinions with them.

[@Relugus]

Barry Norman was probably the best movie critic.

[@Hollyclown]

Brave words to say people are copying other people when I have seen the concept of ‘guy sits on something with mic in hand and talks about something with jazz music in the background’ before.

[@Avarn388]

This individual you covered really did grind my gears and not for anything bad, but the premise of Film criticism shouldn't be negative. Let me tell you; having good criticism directed at you should be welcomed because it is incentive to get better. I'm a programmer and I code quite a bit. When I was starting out I had mentors who looked through my code and asked me my choices and offered suggestions. Rather than slapping their hands away I accepted it because I was genuinely curious about how I can approach something and make it better. It's a philosophy I'm taking in my own written work and if I somehow produce something bad I'd be curious to learn why someone didn't like it. Because good criticism can make you a better person. But it seems like Essayists, like this one, do not care about that. They want to remain content with how things are and don't want to advance things. It baffles me that there are folks like this; folks who don't want to push themselves. All in all, good video and to all you who produce quality film criticism, keep it up. :)

[@tindekappa9047]

Whenever I imagine people ''crawling'' their way out of debt I picture a young guy with nice clothes a nice apartment a hundred dollar haircut holding a $500 microphone.

[@Soyuz2578]

Is it just me or does Nutsa have an awesomely soothing voice? I could listen to her read the phonebook

[@David_the_Psalmist]

I remember an episode of the Real BBC when Mauler talked at length about some of his favorite episodes of Buffy, Doctor Who, and I believe Game of Thrones (which is a lot, because it's rare for him to talk at length about anything on that show). Later on, someone mentioned the Boys, Mauler scoffed, and the chat blew up with "omg, Mauler just hates everything." That sounds like negativity bias at work.

[@whitworth5s248]

He refuses to buy a mic stand because he wants to hold the mic to show off his VVitch tat. That's everything you need to know about this guy.

[@lamrethal695]

Oh, that's what it is... lol

[@kalecraft8906]

This is some premier EFAP. Definitely one of my favorite coverages in a long time

[@geoffshaw2775]

A good example of watching whatever because the person seemed passionate about, are videos by a KZbinr called Posy. I watched his videos on colored lcd displays, segmented displays. I knew nothing about them yet I was enthralled by them. Fantastic videos which have no hint of negativity.

[@archstanton9073]

Nutsa has the best voice! It's so lilting and pleasant.

[@Kernwadi]

Grass is a plant with narrow leaves growing from the base. A common kind of grass is used to cover the ground in a lawn and other places. Grass gets water from the roots in the ground. Grass is usually pigmented with the colour ‘green’. Grasses are monocotyledon, herbaceous plants. The grasses include the "grass", of the family Poaceae (also called Gramineae). Also sometimes it is used to include the sedges (Cyperaceae) and the rushes (Juncaceae). These three families are not closely related but belong to different clades in the order Poales. They are similar adaptations to a common life-style. The true grasses include cereals, bamboo and the grasses of lawns (turf) and grassland. Uses for graminoids include food (as grain, sprouted grain, shoots or rhizomes), drink (beer, whisky), pasture for livestock, thatching thatch, paper, fuel, clothing, insulation, construction, sports turf, basket weaving and many others. Many grasses are short, but some grasses, like bamboo can grow very tall. Plants from the grass family can grow in many places, even if they are very cold or very dry. Several other plants that look similar but are not members of the grass family are also sometimes called grass; these include rushes, reeds, papyrus, and water chestnut. Grasses are an important food for many animals, like deer, buffalo, cattle, mice, grasshoppers, caterpillars, and many other grazers. Unlike other plants, grasses grow from the bottom, so when animals eat grass they usually do not destroy the part that grows. Without grass, dirt can wash away into rivers (erosion). Graminoids include some of the most versatile plant life-forms. They became widespread toward the end of the Cretaceous. Fossilized dinosaur dung (coprolites) have been found containing grass phytoliths (silica stones inside grass leaves). Grasses have adapted to conditions in lush rain forests, dry deserts, cold mountains and even intertidal habitats, and are now the most widespread plant type. Grass is a valuable source of food and energy for many animals.Lawn grass is often planted on sports fields and in the area around a building. Sometimes chemicals and water is used to help lawns to grow. People have used grasses for a long time. People eat parts of grasses. Corn, wheat, barley, oats, rice and millet are cereals, common grains whose seeds are used for food and to make alcohol such as beer. Sugar comes from sugar cane, which is also a plant in the grass family. People have grown grasses as food for farm animals for about 4,000 years. People use bamboo to build houses, fences, furniture and other things. Grass plants can also be used as fuel, to cover roofs, and to weave baskets. n English, the word "grass" appears in several phrases. For example: "The grass is always greener on the other side" means "people are never happy with what they have and want something else." "Don't let the grass grow under your feet" means "Do something". "A snake in the grass" is about a person that will not be honest and will trick others. Grass is sometimes used as a slang term for cannabis (also called pot, weed, or marijuana) The Grass type (Japanese: くさタイプ Grass type) is one of the eighteen types. Prior to changes in Generation IV, all damaging Grass-type moves were special, but they may now also be physical depending on the attack. Grass-type Pokémon are immune to Leech Seed. Grass-type Pokémon are immune to Leech Seed Starting in Generation VI, Grass-type Pokémon are immune to powder and spore moves and Effect Spore.Grass types are tied with Rock in having the most weaknesses out of all types with five. Since Generation I, a particular asset of Grass types is being the only type that is immune to Leech Seed. As of Generation VI, Grass-type Pokémon are also immune to powder and spore moves, such as Sleep Powder and Stun Spore. Additionally, Grass Pokémon are the only ones affected by Rototiller and Flower Shield. Those moves raise both attack stats or the physical Defense stat, respectively, when used. Forest's Curse adds the Grass type to the target's types. Grass-type attacks are resisted by seven types, so they're tied with Bug as the most resisted type. Those resistant types are best covered by Rock and Ground. As of Generation VI, Dark and Ghost have neutral matchups against every type that resists Grass. When Grassy Terrain is in the effect, the power of Grass-type moves is increased by 30% (50% prior to Generation VIII) if the user is on the ground. Contest properties In contests, Grass-type moves are typically Clever moves, but can also be any of the other four contest conditions. As of Generation VIII, there are 112 Grass-type Pokémon or 12.27% of all Pokémon (counting those that are Grass-type in at least one of their forms), making it the third most common type after Normal and before Flying. A Pokémon with Protean or Libero will become a Grass-type Pokémon if it uses a Grass-type move. A Pokémon with Color Change, Imposter, Mimicry, RKS System, or Multitype will become a Grass-type Pokémon if (respectively) it is hit with a Grass-type move, is sent out against a Grass-type opponent, if the terrain is grassy, if it is holding a Grass Memory, or if it is holding a Meadow Plate or Grassium Z. Since Generation VI, Grass-type Pokémon are also immune to Effect Spore; Only Grass-type Pokémon can have these Abilities. This does not include signature Abilities.Due to the decreased amount of types in the TCG, Grass generally adopts all Bug-type Pokémon under its typing. It also adopted Poison-type Pokémon prior to the Diamond & Pearl set, after which they were moved to Psychic. Similar to the games, Grass-type Pokémon in the TCG are generally weak to Fire and resist Water. Grass-type Pokémon are strong against Fighting and Water Pokémon, whilst Metal Pokémon resisted it until the EX Power Keepers expansion set. Generation V introduced the most Grass-type Pokémon of any generation, with 21 (including Rotom's Mow form), and Generation VI introduced the fewest Grass-type Pokémon, with nine. Generation I introduced the most Grass-type moves of any generation, with 10, and Generation II introduced the fewest Grass-type moves, with three. The Grass type and/or Pokémon of the type have been referred to using the term "plant" instead on some occasions: In the English Generation I games, the Gym guide in Cerulean Gym refers to Pokémon of the Grass type as "plant Pokémon". In the English versions of Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen, he instead mentions "Grass-type Pokémon". In the Japanese versions of the Generation I games and FireRed and LeafGreen, he mentions the Grass type itself, calling it the "Plant type" (Japanese: しょくぶつタイプ). Another reference to "plant Pokémon" (Japanese: しょくぶつポケモン) is made by Professor Oak in the Japanese Pokémon Red, Green, and Blue, and international Pokémon Red and Blue, classifying Bulbasaur as such when the player is about to choose it as their starter. This is also the case in the Japanese versions of Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen; in contrast, he calls it the "grass Pokémon" in the English versions. This same reference is also used in the first episode of Pokémon Origins. In multiple languages, such as French and German, the Grass type is translated as the Plant type. The Turkish dub of the anime occasionally refers to "Grass type" as "Plant type". The Grass type has the most Pokémon that evolve by Evolution stones, with a total of 11. It is also the type that can utilize the most stones, having at least one Pokémon that can evolve via the Leaf Stone, Sun Stone, Water Stone, and Shiny Stone.The Grass type is the only type to have more than one HP-draining move, having five of them. Grass-type attacks deal doubly super-effective damage to the most Pokémon of all types. Grass-type attacks are super effective against the three types that Fire types are weak to. Fire is the only type that hasn't been paired with Grass. In Tree's a Crowd, Brock states that Grass-type Pokémon resist Electric-type moves due to being able to diffuse the electricity into trees and the ground. He also explains that if Grass types are in the air, they cannot diffuse the electricity from Electric attacks, thereby dealing normally effective damage. Now that you have read this much about grass, maybe you should go and touch some...

[@ArcticWolf00Alpha0]

You can definitely tell she’s getting more comfortable with talking with the guys and just talking in stream in general. Especially since English isn’t her first language, it’s neat to see her improving.

[@HectorLopez0217]

She’s come a long(ha) way since they covered her NWH review and got drunk watching the coverage on her

[@HectorLopez0217]

@@ArcticWolf00Alpha0 I was wondering from some of the words she’s said like develop, cumulative, negativity, and motivation which is cool

[@Kernwadi]

“Water is like liquid elevator music.” -Bilbo Baggins

[@KneelB4Bacon]

If you pay for a product you have every right to expect to get what you paid for. Imagine ordering a steak in a restaurant. The steak arrives, you lift off the lid and instead of a steak, you see a gumdrop. On a tray labelled "steak." And when you complain about it, they say, "well, you just don't know what a steak really IS, do you?" And the restaurant's defenders say, "But the tray SAID 'steak' on it!"

[@ramathememe5674]

Probably the most thematically inconsistent video ever been covered on Efap

[@Kernwadi]

That's a strong probably, there has been a lot of those.

[@SangheiliSpecOp]

The lion king being brought up because it was negative towards the new movie pissed me off

[@samuellund1377]

@@SangheiliSpecOp Ikr, how you could you watch YMS's new Lion King take down and come away sympathizing for the mega corporation and the wealthy idiotic director?

[@JustAnArrogantAlien]

51:19 Criticism is NOT about validating art. It’s about encouraging art to be better by rewarding things that are actually good and calling out things that are bad. Do you know what happens when you give all movies participation trophies just for existing? You encourage mediocrity, because why should artists TRY when they’re all entitled to free praise just for making something, regardless of its quality?

[@thesapphireone]

Hear, hear!

[@GhostlyReeve]

I love how they were talking about the KitKat bar and I’m thinking about how cheap it is. $1.34 for a king size? I’d kill for those prices.

[@anthonysaylor8120]

2:19:33 The fucking gasp I made when MauLer noted the RWBY video, and then talked about how "oh maybe he needed to be MORE negative-" Legitimately. YES. AND HE HAD CHANGED THE TITLE TO "DISAPPOINTING" AS OPPOSED TO HIS USUAL "SUCKS" BECAUSE THE FANDOM'S NOIDS ARE FUCKING FERAL. THE R/RWBY SUBREDDIT CAME UNDER FIRE FOR THEIR MODS TRYING TO BLACKLIST/BAN ANYONE ON REDDIT WHO HAD EVER *VISITED* THE RWBYCRITIC SUBREDDIT. AND HARRIS ABSOLUTELY COULD HAVE GONE OFF EVEN HARDER IF HE MAKES A VIDEO ON THE VOLUMES PAST VOLUME 3, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE TRUE TURBOTISM STARTS UP.

[@laughingseagull000]

Now I’m in the mood to watch RWBY criticism videos…

[@Lysvsyl]

The Yu-Gi-Oh channel mentioned is also responsible for "It's morbin time", by the way. Somehow he keeps making cultural impacts despite being a fairly small channel

[@xolotltolox]

And also he blew up the pot of greed meme

[@tylercoon1791]

The funniest thing is that after he made that tweet, his power went out for two days, and only when it came back did he see that it became a meme.

[@LB-py9ig]

Avatar: The Way of Water is a landmark in filmmaking. It pushed technology forward and the medium for filming the underwater scenes under actual water. I couldn't finish it. I also can't remember a single name from that movie. I'm not saying the above stuff isn't impressive, it deserves accolades for that, but it's not as if pushing filmmaking forward automatically makes a film good.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

Damn, animated porn sometimes does it, that doesn't mean they are cinematic masterpieces

[@nananamamana3591]

" You can not spell 'Criticism' without 'Tism' " - _Grimbo T. DaBaggins_

[@xolotltolox]

Theo being a fellow Rank10Yugioh enjoyer is the most important thing to take from this episode

[@tylercoon1791]

Common Rata W

[@alexhayden219]

36:35 I mean, I think that I've never been more citisized more than I am by my wife. "You don't do the dishes right." "You don't do the laundry right." "You forgot my birthday, again." "You left the kids locked in the car with the windows closed for four hours outside of the strip club." So, Das might be correct here.

[@inquisitionagent9052]

Shows like velma and she hulk exist. They deserve every bit of scathing criticism one can muster.

[@Benzodrewd]

Ah yes Aristotle, this German guy, and Plinkett Reviews. The three pillars of artistic study.

[@qty1315]

Yahtzee actually made the video where he talked about how we need more negative criticism on the internet. It's his Mailbag Showdown video.

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

In his Arkham Asylum video, he says that “You didn’t come to me to hear about how a game is good.” after spending a minute praising the game. A few years ago he said he is so critical of games so they can reach their potential as an art/entertainment medium, and in the most recent Extra Punctuation he argued that the focus on graphics should be shifted to advancing gameplay, such as absurd numbers of enemies.

[@masterphillips]

Good criticism, like the efap boys, has: 1. Changed my mind on some things I liked and disliked for no reason 2. Improved my own heuristics to evaluate if a movie is good or just junk I like. 3. Ditto for if a movie is bad or just something I don't like. 4. Vindicated some and obliterated others of my minority opinions on things. 5. Been funny as shit!

[@TheCapedWanderer]

Nutsa is a stellar guest, her comments are sharp and her insights are bright. This efap also has one of my favorite digression routines: Fringy going off about philosophy. That frog knows how to injure.

[@RM_VFX]

"I once sold a brick of coke for the most money I've ever seen. So I guess I'm flippin bricks for the rest of my life, I can't possibly live on less for my own self respect."

[@dumdumer892]

I think part of the reason people like critiques that are negative towards a piece of media is because the ones that are positive are often so vapid. The ones I often come across just tell me how the media made them feel rather than analyzing what about a particular scene, character, whatever is well written and how the particular elements of the story work together to create a great final product. There are many reasons I think people enjoy criticism of media but part of it is because there are so few critiques who give in-depth positive reviews at least that I have seen. I like the positive commentary on this channel that I’ve seen because it maintains the level of depth of analysis that is used for media they are critical of. That’s what is most appealing to me in a video essay.

[@AndrewThoesen]

Bingo. Which is why some of Mauler’s best videos are his positive ones, namely Infinity War. You can tell he has a genuine appreciation for art and storytelling.

[@scienceviking4490]

Also, negative reviews do a better job of teaching you about the fundamentals of writing. When you study a story that's good, you learn techniques that can be useful in some situations, but when you study a story that's bad you learn the things that a story absolutely has to get right in order to avoid being bad.

[@dumdumer892]

@@scienceviking4490 I dunno I really think there’s a lot you can learn from deserved praise towards specific elements of a well made movie. I think I might agree that maybe there are more interesting conversations around a movie’s shortcomings since it makes you have to hone in and talk about different possible solutions to the problem whereas with praise you can only talk about the single decision they chose to make. I think there are just different, but similar, things to be gained from each. At the end of the day though I just want good in-depth analysis. I don’t really care whether or not the critique is one that praises a movie or discusses the flaws present. I just want a thoughtful and interesting look into the world the writer has created and the ways in which it works or tears itself apart.

[@dumdumer892]

@@AndrewThoesen Agreed. I’ve always loved close readings and detailed analysis of storytelling. Whether or not the story is good or bad it can be really interesting listening to people discuss the ways it works (or doesn’t oftentimes).

[@scienceviking4490]

@@dumdumer892 You're definitely right that there's a lot to learn from a deep analysis of a good story. The things you learn tend to be more specific though, like how to apply specific techniques well. By comparison, studying failure teaches you more general things about storytelling. While both are valuable, I think the general stuff is more appealing to novices, and the KZbin review audience tends to be mostly novices, myself included.

[@Kernwadi]

“Water is like liquid elevator music.” -Bilbo Baggins

[@BDaltonYoung]

What tune was it when the flood was washing trees over the interstate?

[@Kernwadi]

@@BDaltonYoung Never gonna give you up.

[@LawlTwins]

Criticism should not be negative? Oh boy... Who let out the special bus today?

[@bigjen8238]

"Art is the enemy of democracy" means that the majority opinion of an art piece isn't important, it's an individuals relationship to the art piece that matters

[@silverfox8209]

It's always great to see Theo on, same with Nutsa

[@anthonysaylor8120]

With a title like that, I know this episode is gonna be a fucking BANGER. Gonna grab some popcorn for this one, Massives. Also, the crew should consider the FNaF movie for Halloween-FAP.

[@NeinBreaker]

“The is just my opinion.” “I’m not making this video to bash so-and-so…” For goodness’ sake, why is this guy so afraid to stand by what he says?

[@ElwingzSecretGarden]

I think this whole rant about criticism is his round about way of blaming his audience for his videos not doing better. This all started with his "negative Dahmer review". Sounds to me that rather than being thankful one of his videos managed to beak through the algorithm, he is upset with his audience for not giving his other videos the same kind of attention.

[@afkalmighty1557]

Ahhh that makes sense. I wouldn't have given it second thought if he only mentioned it the one time but it was so wierd how he brought up being upset about that one particularly successful video multiple times.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

That whole bad movies should exist reminds me of chainsawman In it a villain wants to create a perfect world without any negativity so when the main character finds out that in this utopian world bad movies wouldn't exist he decides to stop it

[@yinnyonline]

not really accurate but close enough

[@TheC-Monster]

That's also pretty much the climax in the 100th episode of the Angry Video Game Nerd.

[@sheepishly6942]

I thought that was Fire Punch's plot...

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

​@@sheepishly6942 nah, fire punch's plot is the villain wants to restart humanity and develop it in the exact same way so they start making star wars again because the last movie got cancelled in the middle of production and than the apocalypse came

[@David_the_Psalmist]

I'm really starting to hate the invocation of the evil critic from Ratatoille. I feel like whenever he comes up, I'm about to hear a terrible read of the movie that's boils it down to "criticism is bad, just let people make and enjoy things." People never seem to realize just how valuable criticism is. It can help an artistic medium grow, and also help its audience better articulate their feelings after experiencing it. Beyond that, criticism, more often than not, is art. I'm sure if you said that last part to this guy and others who invoke evil Ratatoille man, their minds would explode.

[@TimPortantno]

"Film critic criticism shouldn't be negative(stop criticizing me! ...Please)."

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

I’m sure he’s one of the many people who think criticism is hate, or at least says that so he can be an eternal victim

[@ThumbShovem]

It all comes back to cope, no one can handle their beloved property being put in the negative spotlight anymore. In this case the scapegoat is negative criticism across the board on YT (Who the hell knows what that even includes, that's so broad). We're in so deep in this defensive, angry art commentary rabbit shit-hole corner of the internet that pointing fingers at other content creators is a substitution for actual criticism and discussion. It's gettin old.

[@Zzzlol94]

"Film criticism should not be negative" "criticism (noun) - the act of expressing disapproval of somebody/something and opinions about their faults or bad qualities; a statement showing this disapproval" - Oxford Dictionary That's what the kids call an 'oof' Edit: And just in case, to further point out why this statement makes no sense. The opposite of criticism is praise. Criticism is inherently negative. Praise is inherently positive. Both are responses to something or someone.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

Negative criticism is as old as human civilization. In ancient times, Bigideas would roll up on Hiddle Subbledees' house with a boombox and freestyle a diss track about him.

[@jedibusiness66]

This reminded me of History of the World Part I: the world’s first artist draws on a cave wall, then the world’s first art critic takes one look at it, whips out his dick, and pees on it. 😂

[@burnypython8230]

Thank you for covering this mess of a video. The most infuriating part is when he used Adum's Lion King video as an example of why negative criticism on KZbin is a dumpster fire. There are so many things you can discuss about that video, but he decided to make the lazy criticism that the video is overtly negative which made me question whether he paid any attention to the video. We need someone like Jay Exci to make a deconstruction video of this like what he did with Patrick Williams. For the discussion on Rotton Tomatoes, Cartoonshi brings up a good point in his Mario Movie video that the critics aren't a hivemind of people. In other words, the critics reviewing Cuties and the Last Jedi aren't the same ones reviewing the Mario Movie.

[@Matthewsmith-2024]

Bulbasaur was my first starter and my favorite of the 3 he was definitely heavily underappreciated, even today, but he'll always be my best boy 🍃

[@Skystrid3r]

Bulbasaur is just great. Pretty good choice for the beginning of the game and just a super cute design. Pretty good stats and moves too. Will always be my favorite Kanto starter. Tho I might just have a big grass type bias for some reason.

[@blackosprey2219]

I've really grown to appreciate the Bulbasaur line. Thanks to their various recovery and status effect moves, they can win fights they couldn't brute force through. They're great for catching pokemon, and in gen1, razor leaf had a guaranteed critical.

[@Kernwadi]

*EFAP coming back to the roots once more... Feels good.* I love listening to them talk about why stupid people with stupid opinions are stupid.

[@Kernwadi]

This comment was sponsored by Israel.

[@borbafet9206]

@@Kernwadi slice and dice brother

[@Kernwadi]

@@borbafet9206 Don bless.

[@wwyd4akb]

"Critic criticism should not be negative" chequemate guy in chair in room

[@archdruidman3493]

Glad you guys are starting to get back into the shitty world of bad video essays, ive been starved since 3 weeks ago

[@Kernwadi]

It's how EFAP started, good to come back.

[@Senpaiaproves]

@Bill Clinton Enjoyer instead of film breakdowns? Ok

[@Grishnag85]

@@Senpaiaproves yes

[@Eis_Cold]

​@Bill Clinton Enjoyer speak for yourself I'm here for both.

[@Darkstar_Dayne]

​@@Senpaiaproves Film breakdowns are pretty boring unless it's a really bad movie

[@BigBroTejano]

This guy: “why are people enjoying the negative criticism that lambasts and mocks media so much!?” Me: I’ll take what is a *Satirist* for 500. Ya people enjoying listening to the piss being taken out of things isn’t a new phenomenon.

[@blackosprey2219]

I don't know why anyone wouldn't understand the entertainment value of roasting some hot trash. Did he not see the fallout of Cats?

[@SubwoofBarks]

The Fast Saga jumped the shark way before 7. It was probably in 4 when Dom drove under an exploding semi-truck barrelling toward him.

[@AndrewThoesen]

It jumped the shark when it jumped the bridge in 2. That amount of height when landing totally would have demolished the car (and driver). Also the “ejecto seato” physics don’t make sense but I don’t care because it’s hilarious.

[@DefaultAngel]

Nah brah, The Fast and the Furious movies have always been crazy. Only 1 and 2 are actually trying to be serious. Maybe 3. They are all good fun.

[@Sharicite]

​@@DefaultAngel 1 and 3 are the only one trying to be grounded or realistic. The rest has some extremely questionable stuff in them physics wise

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

It only got interesting when it jumped the shark anyway

[@reval1989]

2:39:57 - Ah I was waiting for the inevitable anti-capitalism sentiment Because there was always is, as soon as he started simping for Lindsay Ellis I knew it was coming

[@agnosisparadigm4212]

"Im a hypocrite, humans are" No, no we are not. If everyone you know is you really need to reevaluate the kind of people you surround yourself with.

[@doomfeast1102]

My personal high point of this stream was at 3:33:50 when not only did Tom Hardy officialy recognize EFAP, but also stated that he was a fan.

[@Soyuz2578]

Ahhh what???

[@Soyuz2578]

I see.... You were having a laugh 😂 I must say that for a minute there you had me!!

[@sammerry7706]

True statement

[@-Azure.EXE-]

There is an equally moronic view that people might hold refered to as Unsolicited criticism. Its common amoungst art folks. The idea being, when they post their art, they don't like going to the comments section to find people talking about the anatomy being a little off or some shading issues. Which sounds like the most whiny baby behaviour because what theu are actually saying is 'plz only nice comments'. As if positive critique doesn't fall under the banner of criticism

[@lokiswager]

Nah, I disagree. If someone isn't fishing for critique, then it's kinda lame to go onto their page, look at the art they put out for free, then immediately dismiss the art. If you're gonna critique some rando's art, then at least follow it up with a compliment too. It's just common courtesy. Imagine if someone was sitting at a Cafe, drawing in a notebook, and you randomly came up to them, told them their drawing was shit, then walked away. The artist would be pissed at you, and there's no chance they would accept your critique, even if it was true. If someone's looking for critique, they'll ask for it. Otherwise, they'll probably just ignore what you're saying, or even block you.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

@@lokiswager what do you think the purpose of posting the art on a social media platform is? What do you believe they want to happen when the clock post? Sitting in a coffee shop doing your thing by yourself in the corner is in no way comparable to using a social media. Right out the gate we are ignoring that inaccurate comparison.

[@DefaultAngel]

@@lokiswager Could you be more wrong?

[@lokiswager]

@azure7605 but they are the same scenario. Unless the artist is specifically asking for criticism, then you're just walking up to them and offering them absolutely nothing. Unless you're some particularly good artist who knows your craft, you being a random person randomly saying something negative is just going to get ignored. You can perhaps argue that posting to social media is asking for attention in a way that drawing in public isn't. But there is a huge difference between drawing something in, say, a classroom setting and asking for critique, vs having your art in public and someone randomly telling you it's bad. The cafe scenario is much closer to social media than any other comparison, as the vast majority of artists are just drawing for fun. If you want to critique people's art in a useful way, find artists that are actually open to hearing critique and not just posting random stuff.

[@petriew2018]

yeah, that's just childish. When you release something into the world.... your control over how it's received is over. You just have to deal with whatever the reaction is, because that is how art has worked since the day humans started to scratch crude lines on cave walls. You put something out into the public sphere and it's public, for better or worse. good artists accept it, maybe learn from it, but just take it like adults. Many of the best artists openly admit they even they look back at their early work and cringe, but will tell you they learned from their mistakes. Criticism, especially negative, is extremely helpful.

[@Aa-dn1oq]

The Animal Crossing-esque music is a Himiko Kikuchi track "A Seagull and Clouds", and it is far too good to be sullied by this video

[@anyaabusable9888]

MST3K definitely said a number of times this movie sucks. To the point where several times the bots or Joel would be wailing in pain begging for the sweet release of death because of how bad the film was. It happened a lot more in the first few seasons, but it definitely happened.

[@Laxhoop]

Ahh, a classic EFAP. It’s been some time.

[@Kernwadi]

“Time is subjective.” -Bilbo Baggins

[@Kernwadi]

“I'd rather be handicapped than a communist.” -Bilbo Baggins

[@yetanotherspuart3993]

To be fair, you can't really be handicapped in a communist utopia. Being unable to work means you don't eat in a communist utopia.

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

“Communists aren’t people.” -Gimli

[@Kernwadi]

@@Willie_Pete_Was_Here Well said.

[@zardox78]

3:33:56 Remember during WandaVision how every episode was so obviously representative of a certain decade. The '50s looked and sounded like the '50s. The '70s looked and sounded like the '70s. At the time I was wondering what they could _possibly_ do to visually represent the differences between the 2000s and the 2010s. And they ended up not even trying. Look at a random TV show made in 2003 and compare it to one made in like 2018. The fashion looks the same. The furniture and decor look the same. The music is approximately the same. The only hints that one show is 15 years younger than the other would be something like a cell phone with an antenna.

[@boomer.beasley]

My example of a KZbinr who doesn't follow any set pattern and are still successful would be EthosLab. I've been watching him for a decade, he has a consistent and large fan base, and he doesn't use thumbnails.

[@bananess_]

this is what I love efap for: Laughing at and breaking down bad videos and getting distracted by pointless things

[@shawnrandles]

When this guy begins to act emotional and you hear the sad piano music kick in, it makes his video come off as extremely insincere and manipulative.

[@loicbosman4739]

"I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them. I burn my decency for someone else's future. I burn my life to make a sunrise that I know I'll never see. And the ego that started this fight will never have a mirror or an audience or the light of gratitude." - Luthen Rael and here I was thinking this was about the dangers of negative criticism

[@therealfakecaptain7978]

The piano track is so cheap : "Teh emotions, do you feel them ?"

[@pryordevine3855]

This guy seems like a super villain you'd find on Doom Patrol. "I'm gonna destroy the world (or just people's ability to produce movies) because all the movies today are bad!"

[@alosim1541]

Just looked at his channel. He literally has a video called “The Empire Strikes Back is not Star Wars” Jesus fucking Christ

[@sparkypack]

This sort of title smells like clickbait.

[@petriew2018]

@@sparkypack or trying way to hard to appease the twitter crowd that used to love TLJ i say used to because most of them have subsequently seemingly forgotten the movie even exists for some reason....

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

Is he a failed Rian Johnson clone?

[@asquirrelplays]

so I'm just starting the vid and it's gonna take me a while to get through it because I usually go in pieces, BUT! I did want to go ahead and say that I was in a writer's group for a while, and the idea was to share your work and get feedback. Feedback being (hopefully) constructive criticism where it's needed, and praise where it's due. Thing is, people would just always praise one another. Sure, it felt good, but in the long run it was fairly useless. According to them my writing was perfect! As was everyone else that was sharing. And believe you me, some of the writing there was DEFINITELY of higher quality than others. It was good for networking, but otherwise, yeah, fully positive feedback sessions are useless. It's good to know where you do things right, but you also need to know where you do things wrong.

[@radf-zf7ev]

Theo, Das, and Nutsa? Awesome! And Cynical CJ too!? Right on. Thanks guys, great analysis.

[@robmartin525]

"Bigideas has too much butter scraped over his bread" - John Dryden

[@rescuehamster1734]

3:57:00 I wonder what his thoughts on Sonic is. Is it bad that the studio changed Sonic's design to please the fans? Or did the fans damage the "art" that is Sonic?

[@bilson7523]

2:33:15 Depends on your standard. Bulbasaur has the best advantage at the start, being an advantaged type over the first two gym leaders, but Squirtle has the best overall advantage in the game, having access to a larger potential moveset, and a better advantage over all bosses/leaders in the game. That being said, the game does give you 6 slots in total, and the differences here aren't huge. You could make an argument for any of the three based on the group you end up building.

[@David_the_Psalmist]

Bulbasaur gets Leech Seed early on, which is an incredible move throughout the entire game. It only doesn’t work on grass types, and deals DOT with life steal even if Bulbasaur isn’t on the field. It also has a good matchup against the first three gym leaders. In fact, it only has a bad matchup against two gym leaders and one and a half members of the elite four. That early game advantage, though, is really then kicker. Once you’ve got the Thunder badge, your options are so open that you don’t need to rely on your starter pokemon anymore. In conclusion, Squirtle is still a very good choice, and will probably deal quite a bit more raw damage later in the game, but don’t sleep on my boy Bulbasaur.

[@bilson7523]

@@David_the_Psalmist I don't sleep on anyone, as I said, you're ultimately building a team of 6, so the deficiencies of any can be overcome easily. There are legit arguments for Charmander too. You're also pointing out exactly my point about it depends on your standard. You're heavily valuing the leech seed move, and rightfully so, whereas my point was considering things like type advantages and moveset availability, Squirtle is the best.

[@RebornVengeancex]

In other news southpaw is still salty about checking cars at the border

[@Kernwadi]

Southpaw seems to be salty about pretty much everything these days.

[@Сайтамен]

​@@Kernwadi Only these days? That's his persona.

[@kelp7060]

@@Kernwadi What's happened with Southpaw? He used to be a good guest here. I can understand if you don't want to answer.

[@Kernwadi]

@@kelp7060 It's a long story, S.K. released a video talking about it and Southpaw is supposed to release his own video soon. But the main thing is that Southpaw wanted to cover a show he really likes, with EFAP, they ended up not liking it for one reason or another and this made Southpaw very upset, he argued with most members of EFAP and their relationship soured. Eventually they talked it out and their relationship became neutral but in the meantime Southpaw hang out with some new "friends", including Organized Chaos and Actual Fandom, in most cases they ended up backstabbing eachother. All of this made Southpaw very angry and so he decided to continue with the drama anyway and now he brings it up on every occasion possible, literally, he talks about it on every podcast he appears and mentions it on Twitter or Discord at least once a day. Apparently at one point he got so angry while ranting on Twitter that he had a stroke and ended up in a hospital. Now he refuses to calm down, lives stuck in the past drama, calls EFAP hypocrites and lashes out at their fanbase while looking for any reason to argue with anyone.

[@kelp7060]

@@Kernwadi Oh Wow! Thank you so much. I can't believe he went from proving to us that Spider-Man 2 was heavily flawed to this. How very sad. I'm usually too shy to give praise, but I wanted to say once that your Barbie World joke comment was one of the funniest things I've read in ages.

[@midlevelgeoff]

Over 5 hours of “can’t relate” and I love it 😂

[@TikkyNoSurname]

LOL. Just for a second, on that note with "It's just my opinion": I used to write really long reviews under stories from new authors in a forum I'm active in. It's all fanfiction for the game the forum belongs to, but that doesn't matter, I also started writing with fanfictions, because it was easier with a crutch to start off. So I leave really long reviews, because for every point I critisize, I give explanations as to why it's not good, what doesn't work, how it doesn't work, where exactly it doesn't work and also write down examples of how it could have worked out, to point out even more why it didn't work the way it was written down. In the end, after years on this forum, I got into a few fights there and people try to find faults with my ways. Especially my reviews are very badly taken by them. I was told I act as if I was "Gordon Ramsey" or well, if I thought I was him. Also, that I should be more kind (because simply stating things and not sugarcoating absolutely everything is "not kind") and most importantly: I should definitely say "in my opinion" and make clear that that isn't something that has to be done, but just "my opinion". Because that changes everything, after I made clear why exactly things don't work out, which has nothing to do with opinion or not. "But," I said, "you know, when I write a review, I expect people to already know that it's my opinion." If found that quite hilarious, but they didn't want to hear it. To this day, this was one of those moments I had to recall what a wise person once said: "The question that sometimes drives me hazy - am I, or the others crazy?"

[@kharnthebloody583]

“It’s just my opinion” may aswell just say “I’m about to make a hot take that isn’t very well thought out please keep your opinions to yourself”

[@jcore0981]

So this is what people must think of film students. Pretentious, emotional, empty platitudes. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of them but I promise I'm not like this😢

[@dragovin08]

I'm sure there are plenty of people in the art and entertainment world that handle any kind of criticism but a lot of people in the art world tend to have a chip on their shoulder.

[@akashnagar8694]

Loved this episode of EFAP

[@AlsoMeowskivich]

Oh, that "an opinion can't be wrong" thing reminded me of something years back about someone that was saying that Donkey Kong Country 2 was a bad game because it was hard like battletoads and I still haven't moved past it to this day.

[@alexhayden219]

It IS strange and frustrating the percentage of extremely high budget movies that are just piss. I understand the motivation behind making them is different, but they have all of the resources. Put some of that into finding the best person to do what is arguably one of the three most important jobs.

[@TheNemesis432]

2:57:41 I hate this special "art" pedestal because that pedestal is that actually devalues and gatekeeps art. Art from those very first cave paintings and our ancestors dances and songs has always had one goal: to entertain someone. And this someone could've been only the artist himself. The only distinction between "art" and "content" is the amount of art created with little caveat of the passion being sacrificed in service of that and greed being the main common denominator. Mass produced food is still food, why the same can't be said about art? We shouldn't make a distinction between "art" and "not art". We should make a distinction between "good art" and "shit art".