EFAP Movies #44: Saw

[@nont18411]

Jigsaw is more active to the story after he’s dead than when he’s alive.

[@samleembardo6202]

That's why Saw X is easily one of the best ones lol

[@CruelestChris]

​@@samleembardo6202 Tom Clancy's Sawx

[@colinr0380]

@nont18411 Just like Obi-Wan Kenobi!

[@86lanzo]

Facts

[@SatoruwaFeng]

GAME OVAH!

[@HBlackburn]

Please never stop the "What'd you bring me" in the outro. I stick around for every single one.

[@MrSwanee11]

Yeeeeessssss. Its an essential bookend to any video.

[@RenegadeVile]

Same here. It's so stupid yet it never gets old.

[@Spartan_1_17]

Absolutely. I do the same. It is a part of EFAP mythos and I love it.

[@SuperMegaGaelourde]

Jacob Cain and the Salesman having an argument- "What are ya buyin?" "What'd you bring me?" "What are ya buyin stranger?" "What'd you bring me?" "WHAT ARE YA BUYIN STRANGER?"

[@hitthetarget982]

@@SuperMegaGaelourde someone should make that

[@dklwos8088]

The saga begins.. this month is gonna be a legendary EFAP Halloween arc.

[@ab-gail]

The Sawga

[@GoldenCollaredGaming]

As a frequent visitor to hospitals I can confirm that they are almost always the most dingy looking motherfucking parking garages I have ever parked in.

[@Rastenn]

So Jigsaw's whole thing is (supposedly) taking people who don't appreciate their lives and putting them in terrible situations that force them to appreciate what they have, right? How does that apply to the wife and daughter? Did the 6 year old not appreciate her life? Was she just going through the motions of kindergarten, not enjoying the beauty of nap time?

[@MegaDarkness5000]

It's the reason why trying make Jigsaw a "sympathetic" villain doesn't work. He just an asshole who is bitter at life due to it crapping on him with cancer so he decides to torture and murder people just cause he can.

[@cdubsb3831]

​@@MegaDarkness5000at least the upcoming film has him targeting people who directly wronged him. You can run with the poetic symbolism of traps being representative of personal failings better than the health insurance company's janitor smoking too much.

[@Сайтамен]

Those are hostages to make Gordon fight for his life.

[@ram89572]

​@@СайтаменAnd also victims of jigsaw. He wasn't as principled as he thought he was

[@paulysmallz8095]

Yeah but if he failed his family was going to be murder as well this jigsaw makes no sense and the whole series sucks

[@giulizpaviz6381]

I honestly still can't believe that the first Saw movie is actually something simple like being chained in a filthy bathroom and then the traps become more and more cruel and hard with the sequels

[@Archphoenix1]

Saw is less torture than ahsoka.

[@beginnersmessiah]

This is the way and may the force be with you.

[@matthewcollins4773]

Hera would tell Jigsaw that she's a general, and he would have no choice but to say "understandable, sorry" and let her go. Sabine would just saw her foot off or run herself through or whatever and be fine an hour later, so it wouldn't phase her. And Ahsoka would just stand with her arms folded for so long that Jigsaw would get bored and just forget the whole thing.

[@SolarDragon007]

@@beginnersmessiah This is the force and may the way be with you.

[@maulressurected4405]

@@matthewcollins4773 The very next scene you see of Sabine after cutting her foot off will be her foot magically attached to her foot with a cigar burn size scar.😂😂

[@beginnersmessiah]

@@SolarDragon007 😂😂😂

[@anthonysaylor8120]

The wild thing about Tapp getting shot by Zepp? According to the Saw videogame, _he fucking survived that wound_ and got caught up in a Jigsaw game

[@Сайтамен]

Seems like he was shot through a lung. That's survivable with medical help. I'm more interested in how he survived his throat being slashed...

[@ultralm7250]

@@Сайтаменthat’s also survivable with medical help, there was a pretty viral clip a few years ago of a professional hockey player getting slashed across the throat by another players shoes, the ref literally slid towards him on his knees and pinched his jugular shut with his fingers, after like 2 years of surgery he could play again.

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

that makes twice that he survived fatal wounds. It'd take an attempt on his life that would put Rasputin to shame to kill Tapp

[@squibydoesalittletrolling]

Hello Mauler. For years you have been a fan of star wars. You admire it's carefully crafted narrative, the themes of light and darkness, and of course: the soundtrack. But today you seem upset with George Lucas, and you seem to have taken it into your head that Jar Jar Binks is the worst character in star wars. You even go so far as to call Hayden Christiansen's acting abilities 'bad'. Hopefully this next game will teach you to appreciate what you have. I have before you 5 new movies and 12 new TV shows-

[@cokemaster3710]

cringay

[@smd1876]

I smiled a bit at least.

[@kianrodriguez4455]

"Let the game begin"

[@daskampffredchen]

Mauler has the same reaction as for the Cut your Brain out Trap from 10. "Nah I am just gonna die"

[@rogerpuzzitiello]

Watching EFAP go through the first Saw film and laughing during numerous occasions, all I could think of was: “From the director of Malignant, everybody.”

[@unpopularopinions7407]

ok that actually makes a lot of sense

[@sexycenturion7074]

Malignant Vs Insidious Vs Jigsaw Vs Conjuring should be a film.

[@josephbroseph3003]

I’m so excited for their reactions when the movies try to argue “tEcHnIcAlLy jIgSaW nEvEr kILlEd AnYoNe” during this series. It’s honestly the most frustrating part of these movies to me. And regardless of committing murder, he’d still be guilty of hundreds of other crimes and still be a bad person.

[@CruelestChris]

Yeah, it's like arguing you just buried a landmine in that guy's driveway, you're not the one who stood on it.

[@RhysCallinan-wc9fi]

It's still manslaughter because the murderer chose to kill someone through whatever way, like how killing someone when drunk is still murder because the driver chose to drive while drunk.

[@CruelestChris]

@@RhysCallinan-wc9fi Naw, manslaughter would mean you didn't intend to kill them at all, not that you intended for there to be a chance for them to live in a clearly lethal situation you alone manufactured for them. In addition most US jurisdictions have a law called "felony murder" on the books where if someone dies during the commission of some other felony against them it is murder _even if_ the felon did not intend for them to die. Felony murder is identical to first-degree murder. Kidnapping, assault and battery (which Jigsaw does to everyone) and blackmail (which he also does most of the time) are felonies. Also the definition of murder includes "reckless indifference" towards lethal consequences and "intent to commit grievous bodily harm) which covers most of the intended escape methods, and if the act involves a deadly weapon (check, for every single one) then it's even more so the case. We also have two instances in this film where Jigsaw kills people without any "game" (the shotgun tripwire and the guy with the key in his stomach) and two more where he tries to (slitting Tripp's throat and the guy with the drills, who has no ability to save himself), so it doesn't even work if you accept the wonky definition of murder.

[@MegaDarkness5000]

He put them there, none of them would have died if he didn't so it's on Jigsaw. Hot damn these movies are ass.

[@SatanLiterally]

I think even one of the cops in the second movie tells him he'd still be held responsible for the deaths he caused.

[@laddgadfly8147]

JLongbone: “It’s me, Dan Schneider. Go back to bed!” YMS: “Take off your socks!” Bad timing, Adam.

[@doopdoopdopdop7424]

Or foreshadowing for certain tweets.

[@kingbash6466]

After experiencing the entire franchise, and how the story and violence ended up escalating, it's pretty neat coming back the the first movie and seeing how quaint and simple it is. I still think Adam and Dr. Gordon have the best chemistry out of any of the trap victims in the series.

[@nont18411]

Funny enough, you could say the same thing for Mission Impossible franchise. For all the crazy stunts in the later movies, the first one actually feels like a spy movie the most.

[@samleembardo6202]

They do... only for Dr. Gordon to be like "I am gonna go get help!" ;D ;D

[@deykno87]

@@nont18411🤡 🧢

[@Сайтамен]

​@@samleembardo6202 What else he was supposed to do? Stay there until he dies from bleeding out?

[@DEADxSAINT]

The first few films are good. Then they just turned jnto revenge gore films with no real story progression (or story at all for that matter).

[@blackdragoncyrus]

I can't wait for the spinoff, Hobbs vs Saw.

[@Skulduggery_TV]

Or if Dr. Gordon returns, Hobble & Saw

[@samleembardo6202]

I saw what you did last summer

[@Сайтамен]

​@@Skulduggery_TV spoilers: He returns in 7th movie.

[@ChaosLierLen]

Hobbsh*

[@colinr0380]

"I sure hope there's no final scene twist that rejigs everything about the film!" *Tense music begins building* "Damit!"

[@Avarn388]

I never was a fan of saw but the theme Zep’s theme is a great piece of music. Seriously, it really does a good job of setting the tone of a massive revelation. So on that accord; I can see why folks like the franchise.

[@unpopularopinions7407]

Wait why is that called Zep’s theme and not Jigsaw’s lmao, it plays after he’s already dead and is revealed to just be a red herring

[@realmofloredor]

@@unpopularopinions7407 so the actual score is called Hello Zepp, not Zepp’s theme. I’m guessing they decided to call it that because the twist ending (which the music covers) begins with Adam hearing those two words from the tape.

[@TheAdarkerglow]

@@realmofloredor Yeah, on the Soundtrack it's the final track, and all the tracks are labelled based on whatever event they earmark in the film, such as 'Tape deck' and 'X marks the Spot'. So it's called 'Hello Zepp' because that's the major event that happens in the film.

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

I can't believe MauLer put a gun to Capital-O-Opinions's head and made him edit the hedgehog man from X-Men 3 into this video.

[@RhysCallinan-wc9fi]

You shoulda seen the stuff he forced Az, Metal and Jay to go through when he made them play Lord Of Ring Gollum. Still haunts them to this day.

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

@@RhysCallinan-wc9fi Truly a modern day N*zi.

[@sexycenturion7074]

He was also the villain in rush hour.

[@Сайтамен]

​@@RhysCallinan-wc9fi Mauler is the real Jigsaw.

[@RhysCallinan-wc9fi]

@@Сайтамен Except Mauler makes more sense.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

The screaming in the volume menu in the saw game, as an idea, is kinda genius. Imagine if the voice acting was actually on point? Like someone desperately calling for help, crying and pleading for their life? Man, what a bonus that would've been for a great horror game.

[@fredlameston6163]

They should’ve used audio from ghostbusters when Rick Morranis gets locked out of his apartment

[@Сайтамен]

That would still become annoying really quick.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

@@Сайтамен would it? how often do you really go into setting to change the volume? I do it like once when I first install the game and never again.

[@ImortalZeus13]

@@Сайтамен People generally don’t sit on the volume settings for longer than 10 seconds.

[@Markm8]

There is literally nothing i hate more in horror movies then people haveing a fucking gun and just decideing not to defend them selfs

[@nicholaskinkaid]

If you have autocorrect, delete it. If you don't, install one asap. -than -having -deciding -themselves.

[@mryellow6918]

@@nicholaskinkaiddoes it really matter if you can read it?

[@gamefan987]

​@@mryellow6918yes, if you don't correct him he will never learn to write like an adult person

[@CruelestChris]

@@gamefan987 Like an adult. "Person" is implied because the subject is a human.

[@gamefan987]

@@CruelestChris see ? today I learned something. Thanks

[@the-trustees]

If anyone cares, the guy Amanda had to cut the key out of was her heroin dealer. He didn't get a choice because he was already judged guilty by John for keeping Amanda, someone worthy of saving, hooked. At least thats what I thought the clues indicated.

[@reeve1991]

That's the best interpretation of the guy Amanda has to kill, and the various other victims across the series Jigsaw puts in positions where their survival is either entirely dependent on a third party or straight-up impossible (like the husband in the husband-wife impalement-spikes setup in 4), is that he deemed them outright unworthy of life and so didn't care about putting them in scenarios where their survival was either dependent on someone else or impossible. That's not the issue, the issue is how it contradicts all the characters who should know better that keep saying throughout the series, "Jigsaw isn't really a killer" (even if we grant the absurd premise that placing people in technically-escapable death traps 'doesn't count' as killing them if they die as a result). Even in this movie Gordon says it when Amanda's trial had happened well before, and so given Gordon's clear familiarity with the case he should really know better.

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

He's the other thing I always found interesting: he wakes up before she cuts him, and Jigsaw states it's "in the stomach of" her cellmate. I remember a lot of talk right after this one came out, debating whether or not Amanda was a monster for not trying to make him throw up.

[@the-trustees]

@jacksyoutubechannel4045 Thanks for the comment. The way I remember it was that her arms were moving in the way you'd expect by a doctor running the bowel to find something. It would be cool if you rewatched the scene and let me know if you concur. Let me know. 🙂

[@speedyacorn2520]

The real Saw was the friends we tortured along the way.

[@LivingGhost1]

Jigsaw's always been a hypocrite ever since the first movie. His modus operandi is supposed to be about punishing bad people and testing those who don't appreciate life but he caused the death of Detective Sing and slit Tapp's throat with the intention of killing him. Those were two innocent cops just doing there job. It annoys me how he's never really called out for that in universe. His justifications have always been bullshit. A lot of the time his victims have no way of surviving the traps. It also sucked how he or Hoffman never had rivals that were equal to them. It just became super repetitive and stale because there was no tension because you knew Jigsaw and his followers would succeed every time.

[@yaboi4854]

Jigsaw learned from the spiders how to predict the future.

[@majomajo1835]

The first movie had at least an interesting premise while the sequels fell into the same state as every sequel of a horror francise - like Final Destination, Hills Have Eyes aso.: How can we get rid off the characters in the most brutal, disgusting and absurd way possible?...

[@theraven268]

I always felt like the characters in horror movies should make or break your investment. If you actually want the character to survive then threats to said character will be more scary unless they are immersion breaking, and the more you are invested in the character the more any scary and threataening stuff will affect you as a viewer more. But it's so rare to have honestly compelling characters in the victims from any horror movie, people invariably end up cheering for the killer (who tend to have more of a "compelling" storyline) when the kkiller really should be a nearly complete unkown, but instead the viewers almost enjoy watching the unlikable or boring characters die in creative ways, which they even gamafied in video games.

[@maulressurected4405]

I enjoyed the first 2 of the series, not declaring them works of art or anything I really liked the ending where Jigsaw reveals he was in the room the whole time. Did not like the key felt like it was added just for Jigsaw to kind of troll Adam by saying the key was in the bathtub hah hah. For every sequel it was just crank up the gore and adding more secret apprentices and more twists. Ironically the series really doesn't get gory until the third film and I still have to turn away anytime I see "the rack" trap.

[@RhysCallinan-wc9fi]

Makes sense. They're more limited as a one and done. Best you can push is 3 but that's not advisable. A lot of it comes down to novelty. It's an interesting idea, a man using death traps on people, but it can only go so far, same for FD, Scream and other series.

[@randomdude185]

@@RhysCallinan-wc9fi I think the Scream movies actually manage to stay pretty good even up to the 4th ( i haven't seen the 5th one so i can't judge it), mostly because they can parody different types horror movies. Horror movies' in general in the 1st, horror sequels in the 2nd, horror trilogies in the 3rd (and the movie even points out the difference between a second sequel and the third part of a trilogy), and reboots in the 4th. The quality slips a little with each one, but overall i think they hold up.

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

@@randomdude185 Scream 5 and 6 are just modern messes that show what happens when another studio is too focused on shocks and trends than what Wes Craven did with the original 4.

[@malachiconstant2756]

Just want to say, really love Capital’s editing style 👍

[@sadaomao7425]

Wow i kind a surprised YMS took time from attending movie festivals of highest caliber to grace us mortals with his presence.

[@metalgear210]

Wasn't this made before that I mean record??

[@Joe45-91]

Yea, my understanding is all of these EFAP movie videos are recorded months ago. Wouldn't be surprised to find out it was 10mnths ago because they referenced 2023 at the beginning

[@B1G_WENGH]

His presence, and his YMS review of “The Flash” that was released 4 days ago, a summer blockbuster movie: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYSvdpqDr7eMgpIsi=vbQtD35MVKRFh9_U

[@sirpugsalot6113]

@@Joe45-91right at the start they said something about it either just turned 2023 or it is about to be 2023

[@LoponStormbased]

Totally ruined my hype for this saga when I realized YMS would be here.

[@Kernwadi]

I never SAW this coming.

[@DaKdawg]

More SAW to see.

[@TimorousEye]

I live for jokes like these

[@selly-ssrb]

I think that Saw is pretty easy to call a good film with asterisks. Those being, "for a low-budget film" and "for a film almost entirely constrained to *a* room". It pulls off a lot with, relatively speaking, very little, and that's something worthy of praise. It's not great. But it's a very solid reminder that you don't need the GDP of a small country to make art worthy of awe. All you really need is a room, an idea, the will to write, the patience to make it good, and a handful (if even that) of committed people to help that polished idea come to life. Which is a lot, true - and it can be _helped along_ by money. But none of that necessarily requires it. Create like Saw. Work diligently. Work economically. Work passionately.

[@Baldwin-iv445]

And don't make twenty sequels

[@emuman09]

At first I thought " oh Adam is here this is gonna be awkward" then I remembered these were recorded before the whole drinker thing.

[@MirandaSinistra]

Did I miss something? What Drinker thing?

[@GFreeman515]

It would be hella lame if Efap and yms stopped collaborating after that anyway

[@forsakenparadise6828]

⁠@@GFreeman515I think they may want him back but he was humiliated in that debate so he may not want to come back

[@SumGuy099]

​@MirandaSinistra yms came onto efap semi recently because efap wanted to discuss his take on Drinker. It essentially amounted to YMS calling drinker a dog whistler for alt right conspiracy theorists who exist in his fanbase because yms met one guy who is an alt right guy who named drinker off as his favorite film critic, I guess. He was also incredibly smug about not wanting to explain himself to a better ability. And that was just the fundamentals of the conversation. Yms was acting as an authority on what films people should bother with, that people should have a "healthy film diet" and take time out of their day to go to film festivals because yms knows better. There was also extreme hypocrisy with the fact that yms hates main stream media and hates how people dedicate their time to criticizing mainstream media, but he himself has made himself famous off of criticizing mainstream media (i.e. the lion king, old boy, little mermaid, the flash) The tldr as a whole is that yms, in that conversation, showed himself to be an elitist and smug individual who thinks he knows better for people and poisoned the well big time for drinker, all the while being hypocritical and uneducated on many topics. If you can handle intense autism, I recommend watching that episode

[@GFreeman515]

@@forsakenparadise6828 I really don’t think that yms genuinely felt humiliated after that & its definitely not the first time a bunch of people on the internet said he was wrong about something.

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

"There's so much wrong with it and the experience gets worse with every watch. 7/10" -YMS, Film Festival God

[@smd1876]

🤣🤣

[@mrshmuga9]

Really goes to show how worthwhile his ratings are, lol. It’s fine to say it has objective problems, but you enjoy it for other reasons. Scores become pointless if you can’t check your own bias.

[@esotericVideos]

Why are a lot of EFAP fans so mean to YMS? He's a really nice person with good insights and perspectives.

[@patrioticcat5768]

⁠we're just making fun of his pretentious attitude towards others and how they review films. If anything he fired the first shot by talking about others and how others should be doing their jobs or other ways of doing reviews. He then doubles down on his BS and it's begun to annoy the efap community, me included. Someone who used to be subbed to YMS.

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

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[@PhillipOnTakos]

Jigsaw is like someone playing a "pacifist" run in a video game. He doesn't kill you, he makes you kill yourself or gets someone else to do it. So he "technically" not a murderer.

[@nont18411]

Sounds like Batman “I didn’t kill you. The explosion that I caused killed you.”

[@xolotltolox7626]

​@@nont18411no that is not batman in the slightest, that is how Nolan misinterprets batmans no kill rule

[@Soapy-chan]

​@@xolotltolox7626well, yeah, batman usually kills by beating people up so hard that their broken bones kill them

[@117Ender]

@@Soapy-chan i think thats only canon in the games, but thats also done as a power trip for the players...its like mortal kombat where characters are killed but turns out no they just lost, and their death scene was just for player

[@Soapy-chan]

@@117Ender I mean we see him beat up people pretty bad in movies and shows too, i guess aside from the Micheal Keaton one

[@Nick46289]

Can I just point out that the child's acting is surprisingly believable? Maybe I'm just used to child actors being absolutely atrocious, so I'm somewhat impressed by the absolute minimum...

[@AsperTheGhost]

Have you seen the film 'The Mist' directed by Frank Darabont? It's not only a good film, but the child actor in that is one of, if not the best child performances I've ever seen. No spoilerinos as to why. The kid in this film was pretty good too, but if you're tired of kids being annoying in films the Mist proves that children can act when the director actually gives a shit. The same kid in the Mist is Gordon's son in the Dark Knight too.

[@LordMephilis]

the ending was kinda dumb, he managed to play dead for that long. Seems like they wanted the big trippy reveal at the end even if it didn't really make alot of sense. Sure would been akward if one of those flying saws had sliced him lol.

[@sammiller8640]

In Saw 3 it’s revealed that he injected himself with something that slows his heart rate and relaxes his muscles, in order to give the appearance of being dead.

[@TheWunWhiteWolf]

This movie has such an old school charm to it. Still one of my favorite films.

[@nont18411]

The biggest mystery about this franchise is that “Why tf did so many of Jigsaw’s victims became followers of Jigsaw afterwards?” Like I know it could be a cult but why did someone like Dr. Gordon became like “Yeah, this guy made me cut my own foot and I almost died so I’m working for him from now on”? And what are the rules of those who served him? When did their actions could be considered too far for Jigsaw? Because Jigsaw has zero problem with Gordon torturing people but somehow considered Hoffman and Amanda (can’t remember her name) to be abusing too much power but if that’s the case, why didn’t he do anything to a guy in Jigsaw movie, who clearly abused his power for revenge? The answer maybe “Well, because Jigsaw’s dead at that time of the guy while in case of Amanda, he’s still alive.” but then he also punished Hoffman when he’s already dead too so what stops him from punishing that guy?

[@Cyberleader672]

Yeah. Amadna and Hoffman kind of made sense because the movies took the time to show us but after that it got ridicoulous Gordon and the guy from JIgsaw (I can't remember his name, he was so forgetable) apprently just liked the guy that tortured them for some reason

[@nont18411]

@@Cyberleader672 This is the problem when you killed off Jigsaw too early but then later realized that he’s a protagonist of the franchise so you have to keep him around long after his death and give a flimsy excuse that “He had been planning everything all along”.

[@aw7400]

@@nont18411 legit, "he faked his own death" would have been a more believable twist than everything they actually added in the later movies.

[@nont18411]

@@aw7400 Ned Stark is a good example of how to use a flashback to keep a protagonist in the story long after his death. He has only one flashback about the Tower of Joy and the fate of his sister Lyanna Stark. This one flashback serves the purposes not only to explains the protagonist’s (Ned) decision to keep the identity of Jon’s mom a secret or keep Ned’s relevance to the plot, but also reveal the actual protagonist of the story (Jon) and his importance to the grand scheme of things. Even though it fell off in season 8. Even though it has so many things wrong, this is one of a few things that Game of Thrones had done right. Meanwhile, Saw have like 100+ flashbacks of Jigsaw after he died😂😂😂

[@alecstewart2612]

"Yes" - the creators of Saw

[@aw7400]

Just to recap: Zepp wakes up with a tape telling him he's been injected with a slow-acting poison. He's told he has to kidnap a mother and her daughter and murder them in order to get the antidote. He is given COMPLETE FREEDOM to move around, and is also told the exact location of where this sadistic game is taking place. Oh and he has a key to the bathroom for... reasons. So, why didn't he go to a hospital? The guy works IN A HOSPITAL. Why didn't he call any number of coworkers for help in this situation? Why didn't he call the cops and tell them? How exactly was Jigsaw enforcing the rules on Zepp? And why is he being so damn pathological when pointing the gun at the mother and daughter? What normal human being acts like this in that situation? And of course, sequels and apprentices and blah blah but this movie and nothing after it ever acknowledges why Zepp would want to do any of this. If it's some cop-out answer based on the sequels, the very WORST thing that happens to Zepp is he gets an antidote and the doctor and Adam die because Jigsaw has to abort the trap early. Who would choose to instead murder an innocent mother and daughter instead of just going and getting help? This twist just crumbles under the slightest bit of logical thinking.

[@Cyberleader672]

Because only Jigsaw knows what posion is inside him and what the antidote is. There's no way of Doctors finding out until after he's dead

[@aw7400]

@@Cyberleader672 The dude is awake for at least 12 hours in this film and seems perfectly fine even by the end. Remember he was in Gordon's house before Gordon left. Gordon gets kidnapped and the game ends at 6am. Presumably Zepp had to wake up wherever he was, drive to Gordon's house, sneak in, then kidnap the mother and daughter. He's already in the house before Gordon leaves. Also they have a picture of him looking out a window that had to be taken and developed in the time span between when he was in the house and the game started. He has been there for a long time. And any major hospital could diagnose the poison using blood samples and would have most major antidotes on hand already. If not they have time to call in a request and get it flown in, or transport Zepp to another facility if necessary.

[@Cyberleader672]

@aw7400 Blood tests take time and so would flying in an antidote. Considering how long the game supposed to last Zepp has no reason to believe hospitals have enough time to diagnose him

[@aw7400]

@@Cyberleader672 The game lasts at minimum 8 hours since that's what is shown in the movie. Blood tests do not take long at all, especially if you brought the tape along with you and showed the doctor that you have been poisoned. Again I am asking the question of "who just goes along with the game" as their default option instead of immediately rushing to the hospital or the police. It doesn't seem reasonable to me, even if you might not be cured, that you would resort to killing people instead of getting help.

[@Сайтамен]

Probably Jigsaw has something else on him, like a remotely controlled bomb. Or some really dirty blackmail considering he chose Zepp as his victim...

[@MiltonGagliardi]

We already saw Saw. Can't wait to see Saw 2 too.

[@flash_goofed_1638]

Then you better make like a tree and go watch Saw 3

[@MrStark001]

I dread the day that you guys stop the Jacob clip at the end of every video.❤ I wait for it everytime and it's now something I say very often.😂😂😂

[@pondoorwastaken]

I was taking a drink when "Now jump on him... like a bouncy castle" happened. I nearly died.

[@JackQSmith]

I like when the doctor tells his mistress that he gave her a specific time to page him. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of a pager? How was it supposed to play out? He tells her to page at 9. She pages at 9. Then what? What purpose would that page have served?

[@SFTaYZa]

An excuse to leave dumbo

[@Bthakilla4rilla]

Honestly cannot believe the cast said there needed to be a subtitle for the line Danny Glover says when he's chasing creepy hired kidnapper guy down the hall when he said pretty clearly "Immonkillyaya sick ass hoe"

[@troo_6656]

I'm honestly with Rags on this one. Saw is one of those movies which I've seen exactly once and have no desire to do so again without a sizable group of people making fun of it. I'll grant you there are some neat ideas but like really that's kinda it. It is silly movie

[@tabull8180]

Yes. The discussion around what should one do in that situation is much more interesting than the movie in itself. I think thats part of why its succesfull. I have seen it once and have no interest seeing it again.

[@mrshmuga9]

It seems like that’s inherit to the horror genre, just, “Ooga booga, I’m gonna kill ya”. The purpose is just kill the cast and the rest doesn’t really matter. Whereas a suspense or thriller, ya people might die but it’s not necessary, and the focus is about solving a mystery. So there’s usually more going on than “we need to fill time in-between killing characters or the movie would only be 5mins”.

[@tabull8180]

@@mrshmuga9 That is true actually. I don't really watch that much horror but that makes sense. Though I don't consider Saw that typical horror movie.

[@kelp7060]

As someone that usually sides with Rags, I felt like he went way too harsh saying he'd be surprised anyone thought this was good, especially after stuff he's fawned over before. I appreciate their honesty but sometimes they can dip a little far.

[@nicholaskinkaid]

Dina Meyers is such a good looking woman, especially in Starship Troopers. And still pretty good looking at 54 yrs old now. She's timeless.

[@pdzombie1906]

Right? I can remember every movie or show I've seen with her, like Friends... I don't understand why she isn't in more stuff!!!

[@TactWendigo]

She does still look fantastic today.

[@jamescarr1265]

She really is.

[@KarazolaX]

You know what would have been a good idea for one of these movies? An escape artist fakes his identity, gets caught by jigsaw, and using smuggled tools and his wits, intends on getting through jigsaw's traps and getting revenge for what he did to his loved one.

[@trailduster6bt]

My grandmother is a huge Saw fan when they were coming out every year. She bought all the collectors editions of the dvds or whatever else they sold after each movie came out. I remember visiting her with my mother in the mid 2000s, she had all the Saw paraphernalia on display as what I can only describe as a shrine-like setup. That night she went around the house before she went to bed saying goodnight first to me and my mother and then finally “goodnight Saw!” to the shrine.

[@WaveyDavey645]

EFAP editors had better now start including 'Get me outta here! I didn't do anything!' when it fits.

[@esotericVideos]

Yes this.

[@ben4801]

Omg as they flip the cover over the little model of the bathroom I instantly got a hobbycraft advert 🤣

[@ianwilliams2319]

13:37 Something I had only thought about this time around about the whole “just slide it” issue is that the bloody body in the room is directly between between Adam and Lawrence. The spots they are chained to make it so you can’t slide around the body and have the other person reach it easily, at least that’s the idea. The issue with that though is the fact that we’ve been shown several times already and later that they actually can reach those spots somewhat reasonably, especially if they can do what they did at the beginning of the film to get the tape player. It really comes down to the item being passed, how fragile it is, and how hard it would be to retrieve from a certain distance. The actual tape, for example, you’d probably want to UNDERHAND toss, while the saw you’d probably want to slide around the body and use a belt to retrieve it assuming it’s not in arm’s reach. Did I just overanalyze how they should pass things? Yes, for indeed I have that tism.

[@bluefenix1457]

Never wanted to watch saw because of the visceral horror, but i might give it a try with you. I may also get a laugh out of it

[@Galvatronover]

I’m desensitized from almost any gore

[@FisherTheOtter]

The point of the chain being given to Adam, I believe, is that he has the choice to free the person whose assigned goal is to kill him. If he opens the chains, Gordon's family will probably be killed. But it wasn't executed very well because if he managed to keep hold of the key, he would've freed himself and Gordon before that information is revealed.

[@jadey1422]

The nostalgia for this one is strong. Happy Spookyween EFAP marathon everyone! 🎃

[@ianparrent6012]

Happy Spookyween!

[@wilius1428]

WHAT DID YOU BRING ME?! I love it.

[@editedcactus43]

Whoever edited this masterpiece theater deserves some serious praise, I don't know if it was more than one person but fuck they did a good job.

[@JackQSmith]

The Asian detective and creepy hospital worker were both in LOST too.

[@OrochiKitsune]

The Franchise that colored my entire film school experience.

[@Varumitto]

So I studied in a boarding school for two years of high school, where I lived in a dormitory with four neighbours (two rooms with a common toilet, one room for two, one for three). I was something of a beta male, and the three more socially successful neighbours (the fourth was like me, awkward, passive and probably autistic) bullied me (and the other beta guy) a bit. The reason this whole thing is relevant is that they were fans of saw movies. One day, they hid my bedsheets somewhere in the room and told me to search for the bedsheets, while quoting saw at me ("I want to play a game with you!") and playing the main "twist/reveal" theme from the movies on their phones. So I recall that whenever I hear that theme, or the saw movies in general come up. Another instance of Saw theme in my dorm was when the two guys who stayed in the dorm over the weekends instead of going home convinced (aggressively) the rest of us to put off the weekly math homework until the evening of the last day, and then revealed that they have done it over the weekend, so they could watch us three scamper and try to do it all in the last minute. The reveal was accompanied by the Saw theme, of course.

[@natto4now]

"I juts dont like power tools" -rags in 2022 final destination commentary Oh how the tables turn

[@colinr0380]

This first film is the one best viewed in the tradition of the Silence of the Lambs, but also even more specifically those Kiss The Girls/Along Came A Spider thrillers, which appears to be what the Danny Glover 'cop versus kidnapper' stuff seems to have been influenced by. Incidentally whilst the Danny Glover character does not appear again (unless there is a surprise cameo in Saw X) he is the main protagonist of the *two* Saw video games, which tells a bit more of his story.

[@ThaDudu]

Only in the first game actually, it's his son in the second game. Fun fact: the ending you get in the second game entirely hinges on a binary choice you made in the prologue.

[@JonathanJStoneblack]

This film really is one of those weird experiences where I recognize there are many things wrong with it, but I still enjoy it. A rare case of the interesting pieces being capable of outweighing the messy whole.

[@CatsT.M]

16:32 I also think the safe is not big enough for a combination that size. Unless the combination is just a series of four on the wall I do not think that one would work how it is protrayed in the film.

[@Snowflash38]

My all time fave horror franchise, I am so excited for this series :D

[@themoviereviewernextdoor5327]

Adum (YMS) is at his best when he is passionately talking about films he enjoys, good or bad, such as the Saw series. He is at his worst when he throws in his political opinions and opinions on current events, therefore ostracizing half of his audience. An entire political party doesn't like being called nazis and idiots.

[@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845]

👍

[@xel1673]

10:17 "Take your pants off" They couldn't. They have leg shackles on. Pants would get caught up in shackles. Unless you think either has the muscles to rip jeans off themselves. He should have removed his other shirt, tied them together, held on at the ends with both hands, and used the combined garments to better drag or scoop the player.

[@esotericVideos]

I had to think about it logistically for a minute before I realized you were right. I was like "what if he rolled up the chain leg and took it off the non chain leg?" But yeah the chain always ended up being a problem. Still I'd imagine he could take off the non-chain pant leg and then rip or saw through the fabric of the other to get them off.

[@Grassroots_Hegemon]

For those that watch EFAP in lieu of viewing the films, i actually dont recommend that for this movie. It is absolutely riddled with silly shit all over the place, but there are some moments in this movie that almost separates from horror into a psychological thriller, and id pay ticket price today to have that gobsmacked look on my face I had at the end of watching it in the cinema for the first time. And for this entry (and only this entry) in the saw franchise it is not the gross disgusting gore fest the rest of the series ends up being, so if you have a reasonably strong stomach you will be just fine. This movie was super creative, super risky, and it was shot for less money than you pay for a fucking McChicken, and i really, really, love it. I have endless respect for the 1978 John Carpenter's Halloween for the same reason. Both of those films I consider to have some of the best theme music ever written for the genre as well. The twist in this movie that was shot for 7 dollars is still really good. It still lands with me after almost 2 decades. It isn't a great horror film, but it is very very good for the resources available, and I absolutely adore it. The score for the saw films, and John Kramer's voice, dragged what would have been a one off B movie to a 20 year long soap opera of abject madness. Kramer's voice and that score make the rest worth while, and if you can enjoy having your horror franchise turn into a comedy almost immediately, I highly recommend Saw. You will need a stronger stomach the further into the series you get though, be warned.

[@Jasper_Silva]

Agreed. Watching it for the first time, before "torture porn" horror movies became a genre and without the context of the way the series went this was a great thriller and had a really cool twist at the end. That said it is still pretty flawed under scrutiny.

[@Grassroots_Hegemon]

@Jasper_Silva oh the whole franchise including the first one is a janky mess that just disintegrates under questioning. The thing that spares this one more so than later ones is that it is possible to have seen this movie and thought John Kramer was a pretty intelligent crazy person. By the end of the second saw film, he has to be a nearly omniscient being. And then there are 8 more. Lol. But I always love the delivery of the line at the end "So many people are so ungrateful to be alive. But not you. Not amymore." And he really doesn't deliver it with a ton of malice or anything, just as a plain statement. Tobin Bell carried this series so hard it's mind boggling.

[@moomyung9231]

I watched only the 1st one. It was okay. I wasn't shocked or impressed, it was just alright.

[@Grassroots_Hegemon]

@moomyung9231 you are in for a ride with the rest of them. 😅

[@denkerbosu3551]

Thanks for the warning, but do they misgender people in these movies? Those are the real questions you see.

[@KrokPanther]

Halloween is the best holiday, and is made even better thanks to EFAP!

[@PaceBreaker]

I've only seen the first but read up on the the sequels. It's a trip to think it all started like this and then grew into such a convoluted web where *everything is planned out.

[@samwallaceart288]

I feel like you could re-edit this movie to have Jacob Kane as the detective.

[@PieterdeNijsFMP]

The ending of this video was a proper YTP

[@smiguli8851]

My memory of the franchise is that the first one was mediocre-to-decent, and then the second was already bad and every following one got worse from the previous. This'll be a fun revisit.

[@dusky5535]

My ranking would be Saw 1, Saw X, Saw 6, Saw 2, Saw 3, Saw 5, Saw 4, then Saw 7. Seven and four have so little for me to care about or remember.

[@christophergirardi8145]

Saw 6 had some good stuff going for it. Character interactions and commentary on the insurance industry was very compelling.

[@arafat2924]

@@dusky5535 I'm sure I could do my own ranking if I remembered any of them I know I saw 1 and a couple of the other ones as well but I couldn't tell you which

[@dusky5535]

@@arafat2924 Yeah, for a long time I blender 4 and 5 together and 6 and 7 together before I gave them a recent rewatch so I don't blame you.

[@117Ender]

@@dusky5535 saw 3 is the father greving the loss with his doctor wife, saw 4 is the cop game that happens at the same time as 3, saw 5 takes place a bit later with a saw 2 cop, saw 6, is post saw 5, saw 7 ends with a cliff hanger of other saw apprentices..it would have been interesting to see it become a cult, and a national game...but then they just soft rebooted...

[@ab-gail]

7:56 I think that joke about people acting dead in movies but clearly breathing.

[@banastre]

So YMS thinks Saw 1 is better than Raiders of the Lost Ark… the cringe continues

[@krissaunders6418]

You got me with the final fart joke. lmao

[@monolithickm]

The spot on chat window had me trying to clean my screen. Damn whoever did that

[@nekonomicon2983]

Yeah even when i saw these as a kid i thought the whole "Jigsaw technically didn't kill them" was bullshit

[@CatsT.M]

13:23 I just realised something, instead of using the firearm to kill the other guy he totally could just shoot where the chain starts then find a way to get the other guy out.

[@t.milrose7914]

17:02 The neat thing is that Zep is the guy from Person of Interest.

[@mark1h2023]

Loll, I legit lost it at the "oh hi Mark" part 😂

[@booperdee2]

Coming back to this after watching through all the EFAPs to Saw X, its funny how here Jigsaw expects them to cut through a foot in 8 hours, compared to 3 minutes of removing a piece of your own brain. Can only be a meta decision to keep up tension and pack in as many traps as possible in the runtime since thats what most people care about.

[@Harpagio]

32:35 this, kids, is what we like to call ‘foreshadowing’

[@DrBones-ys1ii]

What a great crew for a Saw marathon.

[@CatsT.M]

28:13 The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain.

[@86lanzo]

True story ,I took a girl on a first date to see Saw..had a great time got close with all the spookyness Walked her home kissed her goodnight Proceeded to walk home ,started to hallucinated all kinds of stuff as i was walking past a huge craveyard at 2 in the morning I then proceeded to sprint home

[@CatsT.M]

36:40 They are actually all Vulcans so they just did the nerve pinch thing.

[@1701EarlGrey]

thank you giving me this video reaction for my birthday - nice present!😊

[@Oscaragious]

A very fun start to October honestly.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

look everyone he -Vadered- Sawed!

[@pwgdeathhawk8146]

This was the movie I went on a first date to the cinema with my then finance. Married 18 years now. This movie has a special place in my heart

[@thequintessentialkyle8446]

That was the BEST “Whadja bring me?” we’ve ever gotten. Tough to top

[@chaseryans4808]

So what is the photographer’s lesson supposed to be? The doctor’s is clearly meant to teach him how much he cares for his family and how far he’ll go for them, hopefully resulting in a newfound devotion to them after having to kill a man to get back to them, but the photographer doesn’t have anything like that. He isn’t given a mission, and he doesn’t have his own game, so is his task literally just to saw his own leg off? Sure, the key to their chains is in the bathtub with him at the beginning, but how is that a lesson? Is he supposed to learn not to thrash around when he mysteriously wakes up in strange bathtubs?

[@georgiomendez4168]

Who ever did the editing is a god.

[@bad-people6510]

Inoperable frontal lobe tumor? The frontal lobe is responsible for voluntary motor control and emotional regulation. And it only does part of those things. First of all I find it unlikely that a frontal lobe tumor is directly threatening his life, secondly I don't think any part of the frontal lobe is inoperable. There's a reason it's the most vulnerable part of the brain. It's not where you keep the vital shit. I know of a guy who fell off his roof and got a FENCE POST through his frontal lobe and came away with a mild personality change.

[@randomdude185]

If the Tumor got large enough it could start putting pressure on the rest of the brain, and that could kill someone, couldn't it? Should still be operable though.

[@bad-people6510]

@@randomdude185 There are ways, it's just the worst part of the brain they could have chosen for the purposes of their story. (Also I feel like they would have detected it before it got that big, because if it's applying pressure there's going to be symptoms)

[@hkaayaakuu]

Nice sunny in Philly edit Capital O😂

[@Se05239]

We're in for quite a treat this Halloween, by the sound of things.

[@jericho7173]

Tbf I work at a hospital and our parking garage does look like that. We've also had to call the police because our parking garage has had trespassers and someone even got attacked there.

[@AWeirdLisa]

I've seen most of SAW multiple times over when I was a teenager because I was simply engrossed in the whole horror aspect with the traps and story twists, but it was always just this.. idk how to put it, entertaining series? Something to watch every halloween, but I never thought that much more of it. They're good fun to watch in a weird way. But now that it's been a while, it's going to be so fun going through them all with the EFAP crew and guests! Was very excited when this got announced and am looking forward to the rest :D

[@DaKdawg]

I was mostly intrigued by the morality aspect of Jigsaws character and how, yes he's totally a flawed villain, but he has some good points. I recall being pretty interested until I think saw 4...then I kinda got roped into saw 5 and 6 and then quit it on saw 3d, because they took breaks from the main story and intrigue and were kind of pretty intense gorefests which I wasn't always in the mood to sit through. Right there with you, a product of its time.

[@jamescarr1265]

@@DaKdawghe’s very well acted

[@1218assassin]

I Came for efap saw, but i stayed for "What'd You Bring Me"

[@BTM8109]

I've never actually watched this movie because torture really bothers me, but that shot of Cary Elwes sawing at his foot was oddly funny

[@dancesnapple6787]

EFAP should watch Clue and see if those who hadn't seen the movie can deduce the mystery answer(s). Not Saw related, but the opening discussion of "who has seen this" brought this to mind.

[@ThePenAndTheRose]

Great editing, Cap’m!

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Here we go Sawin again ^.-.^