EFAP Movies #45: Saw II

They made a sequel, it did really well but was it a good? did it was a good tho is?
Live or die... make your uhhh choice...
Edited by Capital-O-Opinions

[@aquapuppy9838]

A reverse bear trap releases bears into the room.

[@necro4258]

Because bear traps capture bears like pokemon balls of course.

[@Soapy-chan]

lol

[@kylesimmons9457]

That’s the Elisha-trap

[@ab-gail]

@@kylesimmons9457I understand this reference.

[@dyllwill]

That's the only reasonable assumption

[@pieshka4509]

Yea I'm pumping a lethal gas into a house with people, but I didn't kill them because they failed to get the antidote I left them behind barriers that are lethal or lock out if you don't unlock it in time because you couldn't find the key in a huge pit of needles. Level 100 logic

[@matthewcollins4773]

Of course, Jigsaw believing his own bizarre logic is perfectly fine, interesting even, the problem is that the films often give off the vibe that you're supposed to agree with him. His insanity bleeds out into the implied ethos of the films and seems to define them, which is just frustrating.

[@CruelestChris]

I just lit the stick of dynamite, it's your fault you didn't out it out.

[@pieshka4509]

@@matthewcollins4773 Think his logic is this person that doesn't value their life are made to do an ordeal to show how much they care to live but because of the suicide attempt he does over the top lethal ordeals, and at most he's doing assisted suicide but never murder because clearly they didn't care about their life. I feel like it would jive more if it was more like the first movie than the over the top traps. Especially since in later movies it's do this in X minutes or this person dies or you need to decide which of you dies like the 2 guys and the woman with the sliding saws.

[@heikira438]

Wow, Tobin Bell's normal voice in interviews is way more gentle than is Jigsaw voice.

[@jcore0981]

Ugh the movie where they really try to drive home the whole "hE DOeSnT KIlL pEoPle" argument. At least Tobin Bell is good. And Wahlbergers is pretty good as well.

[@Cyberleader672]

I don't think it starting doing that until later. Yes, he says it in this film but at this point it's not saying he's right, that's just his view on it

[@jcore0981]

@cyberleader6074 Yeah maybe. I just remember this one pushing it.

[@Ulron1]

@@jcore0981 I don't think it necessarily does. Jigsaw says he's not, then Donnie Wahlberg counters that "holding a gun to someone's head and making them pull the trigger is still murder." Amanda also says he's not actually a killer, but then she's not exactly unbiased, is she?

[@eviscerations]

tobin really is the best thing to come out of the saw franchise. must have been kinda fucked for him when in every movie he's on a ticking clock himself, going into the next sequel wondering if this is his last movie in the series. especially a few movies after this, when he's splayed out on the table. like how do i keep doing this character after all this? he's a good actor, too bad he didn't really get any good roles until so late in his life/career. probably could've done pretty well for himself as a voice actor.

[@veiddimaddur8354]

​@@eviscerationshe's on the table in the next one

[@selly-ssrb]

Mauler losing it at 37:31 is absolute gold

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

Please combine the Jigsaw shaking the cup to Det. Wallberg with Jacob's "Whadja bring me?"

[@BaronB.BlazikenBaronOfBarons]

I would never do an Escape Room with any of those victims, smh.

[@youngzombie6342]

"This man is the biggest Big Brother fan" 😂😂😂❤

[@codycardin]

I saw the two fingers and thought it was about Elden Ring 😔

[@kaprelesartware]

Saw franchise for EFAP Movies, woohoo! Animated Barbie movies next year, please 🎃

[@DaisukiJesus]

Rags would love that.

[@chernobog9]

Fuck yeah a Repo genetic opera reference. Love that movie

[@bijibadness]

I love how they chose to portray SWAT as a unit that'd become unnerved at Jigsaw's laughing toy puppet. I mean of course they'd bail out of the building as soon as it became clear there were electronic devices that responded to them being there -- they'd bail, send in Bomb Squad and set up the biggest perimeter you've ever seen. Jigsaw is not gaining the upper hand on SWAT. that's basically the military; you've now engaged the militaristic wing of local law, so that's now a Federal matter, surely? I'm not sure 2005 United States tactical anti-terrorism units were all that famous for NOT taking Improvised Ex-Spoopy Devices seriously.

[@CatsT.M]

41:26 Why is the kid putting his face infront of the death laser part (well, basically a death laser being so close)? The other guy could just pull the trigger and see if there is any ammo left.

[@shazarakk]

I already can't remember how many people are in the room, but, assuming every number can't reoccur, isn't that something like 8! combinations for the lock? i.e. 40320, which I don't think is solvable in 2 hours...

[@MegaDarkness5000]

After stewing on my thoughts (After rewatching) I think Saw 2 is the same ranking has saw 1 for me a 4/10. To me Saw 2 has different problems that Saw 1. Where Saw one I found slightly confusing and just lot of dumb plot holes, Saw 2 is bit more easier to follow but the all the characters suck. Jigsaw trying to justify his murders, asshole. Has for Amanda for this movie uhhh that lady needed to go the doctors after the first one so I kind of blame the police of the last movie of not putting her to trauma care system, though her saying she did a lot of bad things but she's pissed at the detective arresting her for a false drug bust is just damn funny to me. My biggest pet pev of this movie though is putting the detective son into Jigsaw's game. WHY! The son could have not stop the father's corruption due to being a kid. What would a kid be able to do knock his father down when the father who could probably easily use intimation to keep the son quiet. Also no the Sins of the Father doesn't work either due to the fact that is a garbage reasoning to begin with.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

the kid is there to be used as a pawn in the game against his father later, ex-drug lady is working for jigsaw, so she's probably there to help rig/nudge the game to make sure he lives to be put in the safe later... still stupid and risky, but closer to making sense within jigsaw's fucked up ethics.

[@MegaDarkness5000]

@RipOffProductionsLLC I mean with the guy who killed others in there and has I believe one of the hosts in efap said could have killed the both of them if he wasn't stupid.

[@giulizpaviz6381]

11:44 well, technically the only thing that people remember about Dead Silence is the theme music, but that's it

[@CatsT.M]

Okay, wow, this film is infuriating. I genuinely have to go to a video about firearms to calm down because this is just AGH!

[@Theendman42]

James Wan loves puppets, and excellence...

[@Mapelassj]

this is only saw movie I saw years ago and I though its like 4th or 5th

[@CatsT.M]

35:40 HE IS JUST A KID YOU MONSTER!

[@cycloneofsouls]

one thing I noticed during this, Amanda could have taken the kid out at any time so there is very little danger that the plan will fail. Which only works because she's an inside plant.

[@drdeadred851]

Being fair to the film and Jigsaws 'lore'. The point was that he realised he was taking whatever amount of life left he had for granted by trying to kill himself, and that despite his initial desire to die after trying to do it he regretted it and wanted to keep living. The point isnt he proved he deserves to live by pulling some metal out of his belly, more that he didnt just sit there waiting to die. So his whole point, at least in theory, is that he is trying to put people through an experience that makes them have the same realisation that whatever is going on with them at the moment their life is still worth living, because he hates that their wasting their life especially since their not the ones with a terminal illness. Whatever the game is can obviously be very flawed, but the only important part is that it proves to the person going through it that they value their own life and force them to fight for it, no matter how much they might think they dont, and shouldn't waste it by doing whatever it is he thinks is them wasting their life. Giving the films some further credit, I would say he makes the games worse because he does hate these people for wasting their lives when he is dying. There's also obviously a big amount of sadism in there and he probably just hates certain people more depending on how evil or bad they are so makes it worse for them in some vigilante mindset. Being realistic, overwhelming the games are just what the writers/director thought would be cool or interesting.

[@DaKdawg]

The big reveal I thought is that people are manipulating the games thereby poisoning his ideology. That while...i guess you could say "well intentioned", the traps are winnable at first and people do escape them, but at somepoint in his machinations people begin to mess with the games resulting in cruelty and death...I dunno, the messages are all there if you can sit through the movies, but that's kind of where I stopped investing my time into them.

[@bigwetsalmon1]

You guys need to do an encore by watching both of the collector movies.

[@nicholaskinkaid]

Fun Fact: Jigsaw is Mauler's grandfather and one of the biggest inspirations for Mauler throughout his whole life. 🫀

[@vitorschein8073]

*in Jigsaw's voice* You were always too critical of midia, can you turn off your brain to survive? You have two hours to write a positive review of the last jedi or the plastic lightsaber in front of you will bonk your head repeatedly until you die.

[@sztallone415]

death is a preferable alternative to being a disney shill - Efap's answer, probably

[@comeatmebro8120]

“Live or die Longman. The choice is yours”

[@CruelestChris]

You have 12 minutes to...make a video in. Otherwise, this overly complicated Rube Goldberg device will make the Isle of Man flag into the flag of... _Wales_ .

[@vitorschein8073]

@@CruelestChris you have access to a computer and internet to make the video, but don't call for help, honor code, don't fuck up my schemes, I spent a lot of time making them so don't try to find plot holes, do you know how hard it is do make all this set up? I have cancer you know?

[@liamjm9278]

"The video must not be longer than 1 minute; become the Shortman."

[@jcphizzy9496]

"Detective Brannigan, how did you catch the Jigsaw killer?" "My plan was masterful in its simplicity; I simply sent wave after wave of my own men at him, eventually he ran out of traps" "Brilliant, Sir!"

[@dire213]

we have more men than he has traps

[@XTC42863]

Zapp Brannigan is S-M-R-T.

[@HolyApplebutter]

For whatever reason, I thought you were referring to Detective Halligan, from "the Mystery of the Druids." The convo still tracks, but less in a self-assured and more of an insect-esque psycopathy kind of way.

[@nuhrii3449]

​@@HolyApplebutter "how did you get jigsaw to reveal the location of the captives" "apple schnaps, from detective halligans home distillery, my own brand"

[@jcphizzy9496]

@@dire213Imperial Guard players realising they only need 30 guardsmen a turn to keep Jigsaw busy

[@nont18411]

All roads lead to Jigsaw cosplaying himself as Eminem with his cap turning backwards and Chris Rock screaming in his car with jump cut.

[@k.b.9270]

I would love to hear "I wanna play a game, fellow kids." from the Backwards-cap Jigsaw.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

All he says is VENOM!!!.

[@FxCalibur]

One of the many reasons S7 was my favorite.

[@DanialTarki]

Ahh, yes, 7 didn’t 8 9.

[@Grassroots_Hegemon]

But before that.... The Hoffminator T800

[@Dave_L913]

Jigsaw told someone "Live or Die". Did Anakin steal that line for his World Between Worlds conversation with Ahsoka?

[@sammiller8640]

He also stole “you lack conviction” from Phil Coulson.

[@nont18411]

It’s only a matter of time before we witness Jigsaw saying “Snips”

[@denkerbosu3551]

I JUST noticed Jigsaw's pun. When asked where the son is, he says "Somewhere *safe"* MOFO WAS TROLLING FROM THE START. How did he not laugh when saying that?!

[@matthewcollins4773]

Am I missing something, or why is the interrogation of the mad serial murderer being handled by the detective who is clearly emotionally compromised by the context? Don't they have somone else?

[@nhagan001]

they do not by the logic of the movies... which just shows how little they looked into the plot before they released it.

[@Cyberleader672]

Because Jigsaw said he'd only talk to him

[@matthewcollins4773]

​@@Cyberleader672Thanks, that provides *some* justification at least. I still doubt that any professional law enforcement would permit that when the officer in question is so intimately involved in the case as it's unfolding. Still offends my suspension of disbelief, but at least there's some half-hearted attempt to justify it.

[@kyubiiofrage]

The police have to be insanely stupid in order for the movies to happen.

[@nhagan001]

@@matthewcollins4773 I would imagine at least standard protocol would be reading out “Miranda rights” and booking his cell?

[@Spanner14]

Kinda funny how practically all of the “trials” the victims are put through to save their lives rely on a complete lack of a self preservation complex. I mean seriously, how is someone who is invested in not dying have the ability to gouge their eyes out in a moments notice.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

I mean, I could see the argument for how being able to overcome fear of pain and permanent injury in exchange for the entire rest of one's life is a "survival" *skill*, and perhaps even a uniquely human one, but calling that "survival instinct" seems wrong when such acts are all about rationality in the face of extreme stress...

[@Jim-pq9pm]

His theory is that Darwinianism isn't relevant in the modern world.

[@stephengazzola1025]

Maulers video game brain is really coming out in this one. "Check all the rooms, you gotta check all the rooms!"

[@theraven268]

Not really, the reasonable way to attempt survival is to look into as many rooms as possible and gauging which traps look more reasonably doable (like the hand trap) such that they can start getting antidotes.

[@KGLordofhollows]

@@theraven268 No, that isn't fair criticism. The first trap, the handgun, was probably meant to kill nobody. It's there to establish the simple "follow my rules and you will be ok". As for exploring the rooms, it is established by the first room alone that some doors are on timers, so the whole house may not have been accessible from the start. On the next note, the stress combined with the toxin seems to have more than physical effects. The simplest traps, like the box with blades or pit of needles, may have opened as rooms only after the toxin has taken enough effect to weaken the participants. Add the fact that this is a trap house were apparently opening doors can kill you or set off timers that lock away antidotes, opening doors willy nilly on your own isn't the best option either, nor in a group were the maniac will toss you into traps. Their criticisms weren't very well thought off I'm afraid.

[@othertalk3313]

They didn't even save their game once during the whole play through... and a bunch of them were lagging real bad. Noobs need to get good.

[@Pink.andahalf]

​@saitoge You're adding your own headcanon about when things were opened. Your defenses aren't well founded either.

[@Archphoenix1]

Saw 2 is basically a normal day in california nowadays. Needles and crap everywhere and people too stupid to get out of a room

[@thuglifebear5256]

ZING

[@Elizabelle79]

In the commentary track... Leigh: So I decided to start this 2nd film with a trap... because... James: Because the producers told you to. Leigh: Yup.

[@This_Is_Something]

Was researching sharks on YT, typed in Saw Tooth, and now I'm here.

[@cosmoreverb3943]

Welcome

[@wolfiewoo3371]

Welcome to EFAP!

[@professormallard4348]

Welcome to the Long. Hope you enjoy your stay. Find out anything good about sharks?

[@ab-gail]

Glad to have ya!

[@TunezCottage]

The algorithm blessed you

[@joebro2670]

If beefcake mc strongman had just explained that they all had numbers on the back of their heads instead of trying to kill everybody, they wouldve gotten out with only 2 dead

[@Cyberleader672]

There's only one antidote in the safe

[@joebro2670]

@@Cyberleader672 i mustve missed that, even so he should've just conveniently walked behind them to get the numbers and not gone psycho.

[@JackQSmith]

He'd still need to figure out a way to get his own but that was going to be a problem regardless. Could have worked on a plan to get that. Like finding a mirror and breaking off a piece. Or worst case scenario, do what he ended up doing anyway to get his number. Or they all work together and somehow decide who gets it. Even if you're not the one who got that antidote, your odds become increasingly better each time. No different than if they had successfully acquired any of the others.

[@spinyhedgie]

Also he didnt need to slice his skin off right after the girl taunted him about it. Like i know your dying because of the toxin but save your blood until after getting the mext 2 numbers

[@bbjygm]

Could've secretly gotten the numbers off everyone else first, then pretended to solve the riddle on the spot and asked someone to check his neck for the number to confirm if he's right

[@kingragnarok7302]

It's good EFAP Movies count as a movie festival, else YMS wouldn't be able to watch Saw.

[@deadprivacy]

Fun fact: back in the 80s Donnie wahlberg was way more famous than Mark Wahlberg, being a member of arguably the first ever boy band "new kids on the block" Whose hits included the seminary "hangin tough" and "please dont go girl". Seeing the potential for buff fellas doing white man hiphop, Mark; who was also a founding member of the New KIds On The Block before their meteoric rise; ( It is rumored he left the band over a dispute regarding the bands name ,stating at the time "The name wasnt funky enough and they wouldn't let me rap" although i may have made that up) Mark Wahlberg then struck out on his own, with his catchy moniker "Marky Mark" and rose to a much lower level of pop fame, but with a modicum of success with his band "Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch" as one of the very early white rap artists but never achieved the success of the likes of vanilla Ice who had become arguably the worlds most famousest rapper at that point. Without the Wahlbergs we would likely never have seen the likes of Eminem. True visionaries in the world of white boy R&B/HipHop. Although Mark these days is known to get quite upset if you call him "Marky Mark" or ask him to spit a few bars. Sadly ,Noone knows what became of the funky bunch however, much like Donnie they slipped into obscurity never to be seen again. Perhaps they are to be found in the Saw franchise somewhere? Edit. From what i just learned "marky mark" triggers the man due to him trying to murder and old vietnamese man with a 2 by 4 whilst he carried that moniker, so if you chance upon marky mark...be sure to call him that, loudly, but be ready to defend yourself...

[@Soapy-chan]

how is an 80s band supposed to be the first boyband?

[@nachgeben]

@@Soapy-chan That was when the term started being really used.

[@Soapy-chan]

@@nachgeben yeah but the thing existed way before with the beatles and the rolling stones.

[@deadprivacy]

@@Soapy-chan "arguably" thats "ARGUABLY". As in ARGUMENT , which is what you are doing now. No dont thank me, at your service. I almost made the beatles joke myself as it was going begging tbh. Really triggers fans of the fab four. But its low hanging fruit. If you like those sort of jokes, next time you see someone poncing about in an Audi TT. Say "thats a nice beetle". Did you see what i did there? No. No need for applause.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

I'd argue his "beating of an aged Vietnamese man with a 2x4 until his eye popped out of its socket" is what causes Mark to be enraged at the mention of Marky Mark or his eponymous Funky Bunch.

[@Pie3766]

With the giving them a free antidote thing they suggested, it would have been interesting if they had decided to give it to the kid because they felt protective of him being the youngest having to go through this. Only to find out he was the son of the guy that wronged all of them. They could have conversations about how they had showed him the humanity that his father never showed them and hes defensive at first but less and less so as more of the details of what his father did to them comes out. Then they could later on when they are starting to lose hope they will ever get a cure, and with some decisons the kids made, come to resent doing what they thought was the right thing, saving the kid and start transposing their feelings of resentment about the father onto the kid. "He's selfish just like his father" "He would leave us here to die even when he's the only one that's cured, there's no timer on his life but he'd leave us without a thought" these sort of sentiments. Could be an interesting look into how humans can be kind and moral when it's safe, but turn cut-throat and selfish when they believe they are threatened. Only to have the whole posion/cure thing be bullshit and that's how you get the "do nothing to win" angle. They turned on each other just cause they thought they were in trouble, the whole crabs in a bucket thing.

[@Avarn388]

@Pie3766 It's amazing how that simple fix would have actually gone a long way to making the movie more impactful. I'd also have them explore the house more and actually get to know these folks who are stuck within the house. As for the cop-storyline; why not have it be where Jigsaw is able to interact with the folks inside the house as well and maybe have Matthew searching for his son, and we get hints of his darker dealings? Seriously, anything better than what we got.

[@Pie3766]

@@Avarn388 Its like they got one of the worst writers to come up with this who only knows what others have done but doesn't understand the ideas behind them. Or they got one of the best writers and gave them the goal of "make these good ideas as shit as possible" without letting on that's what your're doing. It's like Malignants is it serious or parody all over again haha.

[@matthewcollins4773]

Yeah. Either drop the kidnapped son -- because the lesson of "your thoughtless aggression and impatience screws you over" only works if the detective *isn't* personally invested in a way that fully justifies those traits for once -- or have the lesson be "you planted evidence to put these people away because you consider people like them irredeemable scum of the earth, but see the decency and sacrifice they show, saving *your son*" (bonus points if they knew that fact when they gave him the antidote). Which would force Detective guy to acknowledge that, damn it, Jigsaw is in fact teaching him a lesson, the bastard. As it is, the plot and the lesson are sadly just confused.

[@Avarn388]

@@matthewcollins4773 Already sounds like a better premise.

[@jorgamund07]

Doesn't Jigsaw's "I never killed anyone" fall apart in this very movie? The sick girl died of the gas he was pumping into the house. She never got a test or failed a choice, he directly killed her.

[@nont18411]

You are not supposed to question this though. Jigsaw is always right, remember that.

[@Cyberleader672]

To be fair the movie doesn't say he's right when he states he's not a killer. That's just his view on it

[@CruelestChris]

Well he didn't seem that bothered about slashing Tripp's throat in the first film. Or killing that guy with the drills, how was he supposed to get out without someone to reach that box of keys?

[@HolyApplebutter]

Yeah, he didn't kill her, the gas did. He wasn't even in the same area code as her, your Honour. Really that girl was weak for not being able to muscle through Jigsaw's Xtreme Trauma Therapy. She *chose* to continue breathing that air, so it's her fault, if anybody's. She was asking for it. Just look at what she was wearing. I rest my case.

[@nont18411]

@@HolyApplebutter Saul Goodman vibe

[@Grassroots_Hegemon]

Ahhh they made it one movie and a half before you had to have Jigsaw be an omniscient god to make the plot work, and oh my, does it only get worse and more insane in that regard. You may think this is silly but Buckle up shit is about to get real, real silly. It's awesome for every single wrong reason

[@SilvrSavior]

Kinda want a that's just silly clip to play during these efap movies

[@MediumRareOpinions]

@@SilvrSavior Monty Python has a good clip for that, Chapman dressed as an Army Officer "stop that, its too silly"

[@catthebart9108]

"Jigsaw not a killer"....Slid a officer's neck trying to arrest him in the first movie, and not Knowing he would die lol 😂

[@comeatmebro8120]

Didn’t he technically kill that Asian detective with that booby trap shotgun too? That wasn’t part of one of his tests 😂

[@nont18411]

@@comeatmebro8120 Nah, according to Jigsaw, Asian is not people.

[@catthebart9108]

@comeatmebro8120 I guess you can call that "breaking down the door in entering."

[@shamboholic]

The Saw franchise makes so much more sense if you imagine it takes place in the As Seen on TV infomercial universe. There’s gotta be a better way!

[@Zara-Bari]

"Are you tired of washing dishes? Why not simply cut off your own leg?"

[@Crab_Log]

If there was only a miracle time saving product I could purchase for 3 easy payments of 19.99 that would effortlessly aid me in escaping these mundane everyday traps

[@dklwos8088]

I think this movie is the origin of my fear of needles.

[@NicTheGreek1979]

...prick. 😉🤣😉

[@EpicJasonX9000]

Do you get Shell Shocked when listening to Nine Inch Nails too? XD

[@ComTrag]

First time i saw that seen i had some real issues, still can't watch someone shoot up or get blood drawn on tv. Tho, its a bit lesser now since i got joel'd in the face with a 9 iron and had a bunch of reconstructive dental work. Blood work still gets me, i sweat like crazy and lose all function/feeling in my arms when i have to go get it done.

[@EpicJasonX9000]

I now want John Kramer as a voice setting on a GPS and/or my cell phone.

[@Elizabelle79]

Left or right. Make your choice.

[@mariusvanc]

A legal u-turn... or is it, lieutenant.

[@scottski02]

You have thirty seconds to take the next freeway exit. If you do not, the next exit is five miles away, and will add another fifteen minutes to your trip. The choice is yours

[@jeremyusreevu237]

It's weird seeing the actual Jigsaw after watching countless Saw parodies.

[@torchedheavily]

It's okay rags, I'm not watching either. Only listening. And it's still unpleasant.

[@Ishfein]

Ooof, the irony of YMS calling anyone a man-child

[@Violaphobia]

I never give Rags enough credit, just when I’m thinking he’s cringe again he breaks out “you never skip lung day” and I’m laughing about it for days

[@MegaDarkness5000]

After Saw 1 and not liking it (I did watch it on my own after efap) I really don't have any hope for the sequels.

[@HerohammerStudios]

They get bad enough to become funny at times. Definitely peaks with 1 in terms of actual quality though. And no, I'm not saying that one is particularly good either...

[@lassilehtinen1]

They are very funny if you treat them as a comedy.

[@denistannenberg]

two movies in a row released at night when i'm doing night shifts... you massives

[@DaKdawg]

Feels good man. Enjoy spooktober

[@thaearthquake]

Everytime Tobin Bell smiles, an angel gets its wings.

[@LadyDemonSlayer]

I honestly hope this leads to EFAP Movies: Starship Troopers

[@revolversnake126]

Donnie beating the shit out of jigsaw is one of the best moments of the franchise.

[@canaldecasta]

...Who pays for the electricity?

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

Oh my God... I just fucking realized. When Wahlberg asked Jigsaw where his son was, he said, "in a safe place." Literally. God damn it. (In my defense, I remember very, very little about these movies)

[@AliceBowie]

I wonder what jigsaw's reaction would be if one of the people woke up before everyone else, freaked out, and killed everyone before he even got to ask if they were up for a game.

[@CruelestChris]

"Hello there. Oh. OH. Um, well, I guess that spoils my plans for tonight. Gimme a minute." (elevator music version of the Saw theme) "Ok, ok, I got this now, right. Um, HULK THUGSWORTH...you, um, murdered a lot of people just then. That's kinda mean. So, um...you need to put your, um, head in that oven. Or I'll delete your Netflix account."

[@mrshmuga9]

@@CruelestChris”The joke’s on you, I was on borrowed time anyway. I was password-sharing!”

[@mrshmuga9]

A channel called “Jeaney Collects” has done 20+ “Jigsaw gone wrong” clips. They’re about 20-60s each and they’re pretty funny. Like what if a trap that was setup wasn’t working and whatnot.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

‘It’s just spring loaded, right?” Well, There are some VERY powerful Springs out there… you pit enough tension on a thick guage of coil spring, you’d be unable to overpower it. ^.-.^

[@davidmendez3899]

not enough whips and chains in this one✊🏿 I do like that one of the victims in this one gets a cameo in a later film.

[@Avarn388]

I'm not going to lie; this movie seems really goofy. The needle trap I'll give the filmmakers credit in how painful that is. But man, why is everyone in the house such a moron. I guess that's always been a gripe I've had about survivor horror films which is purposefully dumbing down the characters. Stop doing that. Having them as Mauler said, exploring the house fully and taking full stock would have been much more interesting than this. And the cop storyline, what's the point of it, other than Matthew? At that point, you could have just had the detective in the house or heck, searching for the location. Do something other than just sitting by and exposition, I'm not going to say I fully dislike this movie because I can see why folks would like this. But man, compared to the first movie; that movie is leagues above this one. Also, Jigsaw's actor is great. Seriously, give him a medal.

[@MBS-HomuZombie]

Wait... so if the cop dude killed Jigsaw in a rage, he wouldn't have gotten captured AND he'd get his son, and the evil lady would just be cosplaying in tub somewhere. As much as i hate the first one's twist, at least i could see a 'way' that it's safe for Jigsaw to be in that position. And wow, the Doctor dude from the first one really left the other guy behind... kinda damages that movie, imo. the first one was meh but I like parts of it. This one just felt like a downgrade, too much dumb horror people and the gore-factor doesn't do anything for me. I assume it''s all downhill from here.

[@dannyboers4704]

Well to tbf the doctor dude was missing his foot and crawling the whole way. there is a chance he didn’t even make it to anywhere before bleeding out

[@samwallaceart288]

Donnie Wahlberg > Marky-Mark. He was only in _Sixth Sense_ for 2 minutes and he killed it. Not to mention _Band of Brothers._

[@npcimknot958]

Hes good in band of brothers

[@jcphizzy9496]

What they should have done was just focus on the house; have it be 72 hours until the doors open, and the poison will kill you in a week or so but be irreversible after the 72 hours. the house is riddled with puzzles and traps (if you'll pardon the pun), each has one or two antidotes and there are more antidotes in total than you need. Each puzzle has time limit of X minutes after you start it, but you have 72 hours to investigate everything in the house and plan your approach. Then the game becomes a matter of this group of people who got where they are by being inherently selfish and bad at decision making having to work together to succeed.

[@silastipton9982]

5:04 Fun fact: This sound would be used as that jumpscare sound for Fnaf 2

[@mattlentini5460]

Obi corrects the pronunciation to his name but jigsaw just says “O B” as the tape plays immediately after. Jigsaw loves trolling

[@wyattwebb6963]

I can't blame YMS for making the crispy comment. In a forensics class I had, there was a picture of an actual burnt corpse in the textbook, but the fact it was holding a beer can made me crack up. Morbid humor, I guess.

[@npcimknot958]

It’s coping. You need to joke to keep sane. Morticians have pretty sick sense of humour. My ex friend was one.. and it was disturbing asf

[@adhirg]

7:14 my favorite scene transition in the history of cinema. no cap it’s amazing it’s too bad later sequels went overboard on the transitions lol.

[@rogerpuzzitiello5175]

Yay, the next installment of epic gamer Jigsaw teaching a bunch of noobs how to git gud in life!

[@jorgehuertas3995]

Jiggsaw being the home alone kid is actually a real theory. I think even the dates match

[@JohnCenaWarriorPrincess]

Macaulay Culkin would have been 24 when the first Saw came out. Even now he isn't old enough.

[@lordkrauser]

Not sure if they were trying to rip on Repo with that clip but all the bad singing is easily made up for by the good singers on the cast. Then again I'm a bit biased towards that film and its whole aesthetic.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

I think this one had the dumbest characters on any fictional content I ever witnessed.

[@EpicJasonX9000]

You’ll be begging to watch Saw II after watching even dumber films like Pulse 3, Cabin Fever, Hellraiser Revelations, or even Incubus aka THE Anti-Logic Movie!

[@HerohammerStudios]

Have you seen Star Wars?

[@EpicJasonX9000]

@@HerohammerStudios I refuse to call this franchise since 2014 Star Wars, I will always call it Disney Wars.

[@asinineasian5509]

EFAP watching Repo! The Genetic Opera when

[@klafsen]

Donnie Wahlberg played Lip in Band of Brothers! Please don't forget that! D:

[@Monkey-boye]

When the badm'n cuts out his number in the ONE room that's established to have a one-way mirror. Why did i like this movie.

[@samzilla567]

5:40 This is probably one of the easiest traps to cheese. All he had to do was prevent the two sides of the trap from snapping together. Pressing his face against the TV would have prevented the trap from killing him because it can't close properly.

[@akashajones6079]

Then what?

[@aurorauplinks]

Let me pitch a SAW MOVIE. SAW XXI. Opens up on a beautiful forest, we go along the sky arriving to a town on a plane. Once we arrive and see people disembarking, its got press waiting. It seems this town has been waiting for the FBI to arrive and help find the missing city council. who suspected or known, is incredibly corrupt. So then we cut to the SAW games where the council wakes up (and possibly this is taking a bit in the past, so it cuts between the past during the games, and the present in the parts where the FBI are looking.) and we start to have the story of who they are and what they are doing revealed as they have to do tasks working together, and working selfishly for a limited supply of foods to keep up the energy. They are in a trap that they are told will last 20 days, and they have to survive, similar to how they make the people of their town survive, on low budget foods and other things due to thier criminal management of the costs of things, and basically running a very tight business circle where they pay people enough to survive but not much else, not even to leave. And its this twisted game with every day having some of the best food options available only if they risk thier lives in a deadly trap to get it. And they start to get desperate and go for it because they have a few members who are spoiled and refuse to lower themselves to more survival style foods, ramen etc.. They want more decent protein rich food that tastes good. And they stupidly lose someone that way that changes everything. That is when the game changes and the lights change to red in the underground survival shelter they are in, it is massive and built under the forest. Now they are warned they have 3 days to get out, or they will never get out. so we cut to the fbi investigating what happened and where they could be, thats when the investigation starts to open up all the corruptions and actually cause some chaos in the town, and we ... well thats how i would take it to just be a different style story.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

wouldn't even need to tie in with Jigsaw himself, a simple copycat who has personal grudges against the corrupt city councilors would work just as well.

[@Coconut-219]

They came they Saw II they conquered.

[@DaKdawg]

I vide what you did there. hue hue hue

[@NicTheGreek1979]

2 in 2 days? Is Mewbschly Ill or something?

[@luisgustavo6117]

We're in for a good month

[@NicTheGreek1979]

@@luisgustavo6117 Every time I see saw it has its ups and downs... You can have that one for nothin'. I'm here all week. 🤣🤣🤣

[@reaps912]

SomethingSomething fraction of -our- his power

[@2percentright]

This house is so confusing. It's not really that difficult to bust all the way through a wall. I guess if it's concrete house or maybe brick, but even then. Like this permanently locked metal door...just...punch through the wall between the studs and bust away the house's siding. It might take you a little bit, but it's not like jumping into a pit full of dirty syringes.

[@Jim-pq9pm]

Ok macho man.

[@2percentright]

@@Jim-pq9pm "OH YEEEEEEEAAAH!"

[@rabidsquirrel4702]

In their defense, maybe the poison was causing them all to act stupid

[@AKABattousai]

When do we get the M Night marathon movies for halloween on EFAP.

[@Rannos22]

I love how mauler and co are reacting to the jigsaw traps like an old school d&d party going through a dungeon

[@majomajo1835]

The needles scene is the most memorable moment of the whole franchise for me. Don't know why...

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Reminds me of San Francisco ^.-.^

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

@@Beuwen_The_Dragon Eh, not enough poop

[@PaceBreaker]

Fear of needles is a pretty common thing.

[@nick_4972]

I'm glad YMS is suffering through these again.

[@EpicJasonX9000]

Saw II: Electric Fringygoo

[@MassiveGonads]

The Rich Evans meme from the only fat chick on the panel. Fitting.

[@nachgeben]

I love that 'the cringe voice' is just Tobin Bell's normal voice.

[@DanielChico09]

This movie is like that one Dark Brotherhood quest in oblivion but worst.

[@scottski02]

That quest was the GOAT. I can't remember the number of times I replayed just to see all the different character interactions depending on which order they died

[@DanielChico09]

@@scottski02 It was great. Pity successfully blaming someone wasn't enough for the last survivor to assume you were innocent.

[@Soapy-chan]

I remember reading about Saw II in a TV magazine as a kid/young teenager, and they talked about the beartrap and how he had to get the key from his eye. I thought he actually did get it out and saved himself... Idk if I misremember or the magazine messed up... And yeah it didn't make me want to watch these movies I can stand a lot, but eyes are off limit for me

[@canaldecasta]

I enjoy more this escape room situation with multiple people. Shame the script was the way it was.

[@Zara-Bari]

It really, deeply, seriously reminded me of Cube. Except that Cube was good.

[@kelp7060]

@@Zara-Bari No, it wasn't. I just watched it yesterday and it's pretty retarded.

[@travissloan260]

Watching the behind the scenes for these movies is fascinating.

[@Nick46289]

18:57 "He's very bad at..." Look, I won't defend this movie too much, but this is the _one_ character in this movie I can forgive for being unprofessional and overly emotional. His _son_ is in grave risk of death. And not just regular death, but extra-messed-up one.

[@elizabethlevesque6978]

Please PLEASE watch Repo: The Genetic Opera. It’s so effing weird, though unironically my sister loves it

[@-Azure.EXE-]

I don't know why I would need to use a grenade for kaggle exercises before I realize that life is precious but Jiggy seems to think that is the case.

[@daftrandy]

7:00 I was never cool enough to have a wallet chain but I see how young you guys are now lol

[@יאירימין-ע2ו]

I never watched this movie but it better have the line "I saw to it personally" or I will be very disappointed.

[@EpicJasonX9000]

No one would of Saw that coming! XD

[@HerohammerStudios]

​@@EpicJasonX9000​​ "Would have" becomes "would've" when using contractions. "Would of" doesn't exist. Also, it's "seen" and not "saw" in this context. You should probably workshop your puns a little.

[@EpicJasonX9000]

@@HerohammerStudios well, agree to disagree cause my pun worked just fine.

[@EpicJasonX9000]

@@HerohammerStudios maybe you should go back to your gay restaurant, The Mouthful, and order yourself a cocktail! XD

[@onodatboi9041]

"I've never killed anyone." Do you know what happened to Charles Manson?

[@Soapy-chan]

tbf, manson at worst ordered the murders, jigsaw actively sets up traps

[@BrownieInTheBin]

Donny Wahlberg was in Band of Brothers!! That's all I got lol Wait do they ever explain how Jigsaw is so sick but he's able to set up all these traps?

[@PieterdeNijsFMP]

The evolution of the Batwoman outros is something cs188 would be proud of

[@poppag8281]

im personaly sad they aren't enjoying these movies more, I love how funny/bad they are