EFAP Movies #45: Saw II

[@jcphizzy9496]

"Detective Brannigan, how did you catch the Jigsaw killer?" "My plan was masterful in its simplicity; I simply sent wave after wave of my own men at him, eventually he ran out of traps" "Brilliant, Sir!"

[@dire213]

we have more men than he has traps

[@XTC42863]

Zapp Brannigan is S-M-R-T.

[@HolyApplebutter]

For whatever reason, I thought you were referring to Detective Halligan, from "the Mystery of the Druids." The convo still tracks, but less in a self-assured and more of an insect-esque psycopathy kind of way.

[@nuhrii3449]

​@@HolyApplebutter "how did you get jigsaw to reveal the location of the captives" "apple schnaps, from detective halligans home distillery, my own brand"

[@jcphizzy9496]

@@dire213Imperial Guard players realising they only need 30 guardsmen a turn to keep Jigsaw busy

[@denkerbosu3551]

I JUST noticed Jigsaw's pun. When asked where the son is, he says "Somewhere *safe"* MOFO WAS TROLLING FROM THE START. How did he not laugh when saying that?!

[@aquapuppy9838]

A reverse bear trap releases bears into the room.

[@necro4258]

Because bear traps capture bears like pokemon balls of course.

[@Soapy-chan]

lol

[@kylesimmons9457]

That’s the Elisha-trap

[@ab-gail]

@@kylesimmons9457I understand this reference.

[@dyllwill]

That's the only reasonable assumption

[@nont18411]

All roads lead to Jigsaw cosplaying himself as Eminem with his cap turning backwards and Chris Rock screaming in his car with jump cut.

[@k.b.9270]

I would love to hear "I wanna play a game, fellow kids." from the Backwards-cap Jigsaw.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

All he says is VENOM!!!.

[@FxCalibur]

One of the many reasons S7 was my favorite.

[@DanialTarki]

Ahh, yes, 7 didn’t 8 9.

[@Grassroots_Hegemon]

But before that.... The Hoffminator T800

[@vitorschein8073]

*in Jigsaw's voice* You were always too critical of midia, can you turn off your brain to survive? You have two hours to write a positive review of the last jedi or the plastic lightsaber in front of you will bonk your head repeatedly until you die.

[@sztallone415]

death is a preferable alternative to being a disney shill - Efap's answer, probably

[@comeatmebro8120]

“Live or die Longman. The choice is yours”

[@CruelestChris]

You have 12 minutes to...make a video in. Otherwise, this overly complicated Rube Goldberg device will make the Isle of Man flag into the flag of... _Wales_ .

[@vitorschein8073]

@@CruelestChris you have access to a computer and internet to make the video, but don't call for help, honor code, don't fuck up my schemes, I spent a lot of time making them so don't try to find plot holes, do you know how hard it is do make all this set up? I have cancer you know?

[@liamjm9278]

"The video must not be longer than 1 minute; become the Shortman."

[@stephengazzola1025]

Maulers video game brain is really coming out in this one. "Check all the rooms, you gotta check all the rooms!"

[@theraven268]

Not really, the reasonable way to attempt survival is to look into as many rooms as possible and gauging which traps look more reasonably doable (like the hand trap) such that they can start getting antidotes.

[@KGLordofhollows]

@@theraven268 No, that isn't fair criticism. The first trap, the handgun, was probably meant to kill nobody. It's there to establish the simple "follow my rules and you will be ok". As for exploring the rooms, it is established by the first room alone that some doors are on timers, so the whole house may not have been accessible from the start. On the next note, the stress combined with the toxin seems to have more than physical effects. The simplest traps, like the box with blades or pit of needles, may have opened as rooms only after the toxin has taken enough effect to weaken the participants. Add the fact that this is a trap house were apparently opening doors can kill you or set off timers that lock away antidotes, opening doors willy nilly on your own isn't the best option either, nor in a group were the maniac will toss you into traps. Their criticisms weren't very well thought off I'm afraid.

[@othertalk3313]

They didn't even save their game once during the whole play through... and a bunch of them were lagging real bad. Noobs need to get good.

[@Pink.andahalf]

​@saitoge You're adding your own headcanon about when things were opened. Your defenses aren't well founded either.

[@Elizabelle79]

In the commentary track... Leigh: So I decided to start this 2nd film with a trap... because... James: Because the producers told you to. Leigh: Yup.

[@Dave_L913]

Jigsaw told someone "Live or Die". Did Anakin steal that line for his World Between Worlds conversation with Ahsoka?

[@sammiller8640]

He also stole “you lack conviction” from Phil Coulson.

[@nont18411]

It’s only a matter of time before we witness Jigsaw saying “Snips”

[@pieshka4509]

Yea I'm pumping a lethal gas into a house with people, but I didn't kill them because they failed to get the antidote I left them behind barriers that are lethal or lock out if you don't unlock it in time because you couldn't find the key in a huge pit of needles. Level 100 logic

[@matthewcollins4773]

Of course, Jigsaw believing his own bizarre logic is perfectly fine, interesting even, the problem is that the films often give off the vibe that you're supposed to agree with him. His insanity bleeds out into the implied ethos of the films and seems to define them, which is just frustrating.

[@CruelestChris]

I just lit the stick of dynamite, it's your fault you didn't out it out.

[@pieshka4509]

@@matthewcollins4773 Think his logic is this person that doesn't value their life are made to do an ordeal to show how much they care to live but because of the suicide attempt he does over the top lethal ordeals, and at most he's doing assisted suicide but never murder because clearly they didn't care about their life. I feel like it would jive more if it was more like the first movie than the over the top traps. Especially since in later movies it's do this in X minutes or this person dies or you need to decide which of you dies like the 2 guys and the woman with the sliding saws.

[@This_Is_Something]

Was researching sharks on YT, typed in Saw Tooth, and now I'm here.

[@cosmoreverb3943]

Welcome

[@wolfiewoo3371]

Welcome to EFAP!

[@professormallard4348]

Welcome to the Long. Hope you enjoy your stay. Find out anything good about sharks?

[@ab-gail]

Glad to have ya!

[@TunezCottage]

The algorithm blessed you

[@Spanner14]

Kinda funny how practically all of the “trials” the victims are put through to save their lives rely on a complete lack of a self preservation complex. I mean seriously, how is someone who is invested in not dying have the ability to gouge their eyes out in a moments notice.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

I mean, I could see the argument for how being able to overcome fear of pain and permanent injury in exchange for the entire rest of one's life is a "survival" *skill*, and perhaps even a uniquely human one, but calling that "survival instinct" seems wrong when such acts are all about rationality in the face of extreme stress...

[@Jim-pq9pm]

His theory is that Darwinianism isn't relevant in the modern world.

[@chaseryans4808]

Seriously. Every single trap victim seems to approach the trials as if their goal is specifically to maim themselves as thoroughly as possible.

[@Violaphobia]

I never give Rags enough credit, just when I’m thinking he’s cringe again he breaks out “you never skip lung day” and I’m laughing about it for days

[@Archphoenix1]

Saw 2 is basically a normal day in california nowadays. Needles and crap everywhere and people too stupid to get out of a room

[@thuglifebear5256]

ZING

[@Pie3766]

With the giving them a free antidote thing they suggested, it would have been interesting if they had decided to give it to the kid because they felt protective of him being the youngest having to go through this. Only to find out he was the son of the guy that wronged all of them. They could have conversations about how they had showed him the humanity that his father never showed them and hes defensive at first but less and less so as more of the details of what his father did to them comes out. Then they could later on when they are starting to lose hope they will ever get a cure, and with some decisons the kids made, come to resent doing what they thought was the right thing, saving the kid and start transposing their feelings of resentment about the father onto the kid. "He's selfish just like his father" "He would leave us here to die even when he's the only one that's cured, there's no timer on his life but he'd leave us without a thought" these sort of sentiments. Could be an interesting look into how humans can be kind and moral when it's safe, but turn cut-throat and selfish when they believe they are threatened. Only to have the whole posion/cure thing be bullshit and that's how you get the "do nothing to win" angle. They turned on each other just cause they thought they were in trouble, the whole crabs in a bucket thing.

[@Avarn388]

@Pie3766 It's amazing how that simple fix would have actually gone a long way to making the movie more impactful. I'd also have them explore the house more and actually get to know these folks who are stuck within the house. As for the cop-storyline; why not have it be where Jigsaw is able to interact with the folks inside the house as well and maybe have Matthew searching for his son, and we get hints of his darker dealings? Seriously, anything better than what we got.

[@Pie3766]

@@Avarn388 Its like they got one of the worst writers to come up with this who only knows what others have done but doesn't understand the ideas behind them. Or they got one of the best writers and gave them the goal of "make these good ideas as shit as possible" without letting on that's what your're doing. It's like Malignants is it serious or parody all over again haha.

[@matthewcollins4773]

Yeah. Either drop the kidnapped son -- because the lesson of "your thoughtless aggression and impatience screws you over" only works if the detective *isn't* personally invested in a way that fully justifies those traits for once -- or have the lesson be "you planted evidence to put these people away because you consider people like them irredeemable scum of the earth, but see the decency and sacrifice they show, saving *your son*" (bonus points if they knew that fact when they gave him the antidote). Which would force Detective guy to acknowledge that, damn it, Jigsaw is in fact teaching him a lesson, the bastard. As it is, the plot and the lesson are sadly just confused.

[@Avarn388]

@@matthewcollins4773 Already sounds like a better premise.

[@matthewcollins4773]

Am I missing something, or why is the interrogation of the mad serial murderer being handled by the detective who is clearly emotionally compromised by the context? Don't they have somone else?

[@nhagan001]

they do not by the logic of the movies... which just shows how little they looked into the plot before they released it.

[@Cyberleader672]

Because Jigsaw said he'd only talk to him

[@matthewcollins4773]

​@@Cyberleader672Thanks, that provides *some* justification at least. I still doubt that any professional law enforcement would permit that when the officer in question is so intimately involved in the case as it's unfolding. Still offends my suspension of disbelief, but at least there's some half-hearted attempt to justify it.

[@kyubiiofrage]

The police have to be insanely stupid in order for the movies to happen.

[@nhagan001]

@@matthewcollins4773 I would imagine at least standard protocol would be reading out “Miranda rights” and booking his cell?

[@shamboholic]

The Saw franchise makes so much more sense if you imagine it takes place in the As Seen on TV infomercial universe. There’s gotta be a better way!

[@Zara-Bari]

"Are you tired of washing dishes? Why not simply cut off your own leg?"

[@Crab_Log]

If there was only a miracle time saving product I could purchase for 3 easy payments of 19.99 that would effortlessly aid me in escaping these mundane everyday traps

[@joebro2670]

If beefcake mc strongman had just explained that they all had numbers on the back of their heads instead of trying to kill everybody, they wouldve gotten out with only 2 dead

[@Cyberleader672]

There's only one antidote in the safe

[@joebro2670]

@@Cyberleader672 i mustve missed that, even so he should've just conveniently walked behind them to get the numbers and not gone psycho.

[@JackQSmith]

He'd still need to figure out a way to get his own but that was going to be a problem regardless. Could have worked on a plan to get that. Like finding a mirror and breaking off a piece. Or worst case scenario, do what he ended up doing anyway to get his number. Or they all work together and somehow decide who gets it. Even if you're not the one who got that antidote, your odds become increasingly better each time. No different than if they had successfully acquired any of the others.

[@spinyhedgie]

Also he didnt need to slice his skin off right after the girl taunted him about it. Like i know your dying because of the toxin but save your blood until after getting the mext 2 numbers

[@bbjygm]

Could've secretly gotten the numbers off everyone else first, then pretended to solve the riddle on the spot and asked someone to check his neck for the number to confirm if he's right

[@deadprivacy]

Fun fact: back in the 80s Donnie wahlberg was way more famous than Mark Wahlberg, being a member of arguably the first ever boy band "new kids on the block" Whose hits included the seminary "hangin tough" and "please dont go girl". Seeing the potential for buff fellas doing white man hiphop, Mark; who was also a founding member of the New KIds On The Block before their meteoric rise; ( It is rumored he left the band over a dispute regarding the bands name ,stating at the time "The name wasnt funky enough and they wouldn't let me rap" although i may have made that up) Mark Wahlberg then struck out on his own, with his catchy moniker "Marky Mark" and rose to a much lower level of pop fame, but with a modicum of success with his band "Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch" as one of the very early white rap artists but never achieved the success of the likes of vanilla Ice who had become arguably the worlds most famousest rapper at that point. Without the Wahlbergs we would likely never have seen the likes of Eminem. True visionaries in the world of white boy R&B/HipHop. Although Mark these days is known to get quite upset if you call him "Marky Mark" or ask him to spit a few bars. Sadly ,Noone knows what became of the funky bunch however, much like Donnie they slipped into obscurity never to be seen again. Perhaps they are to be found in the Saw franchise somewhere? Edit. From what i just learned "marky mark" triggers the man due to him trying to murder and old vietnamese man with a 2 by 4 whilst he carried that moniker, so if you chance upon marky mark...be sure to call him that, loudly, but be ready to defend yourself...

[@Soapy-chan]

how is an 80s band supposed to be the first boyband?

[@nachgeben]

@@Soapy-chan That was when the term started being really used.

[@Soapy-chan]

@@nachgeben yeah but the thing existed way before with the beatles and the rolling stones.

[@deadprivacy]

@@Soapy-chan "arguably" thats "ARGUABLY". As in ARGUMENT , which is what you are doing now. No dont thank me, at your service. I almost made the beatles joke myself as it was going begging tbh. Really triggers fans of the fab four. But its low hanging fruit. If you like those sort of jokes, next time you see someone poncing about in an Audi TT. Say "thats a nice beetle". Did you see what i did there? No. No need for applause.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

I'd argue his "beating of an aged Vietnamese man with a 2x4 until his eye popped out of its socket" is what causes Mark to be enraged at the mention of Marky Mark or his eponymous Funky Bunch.

[@EpicJasonX9000]

I now want John Kramer as a voice setting on a GPS and/or my cell phone.

[@Elizabelle79]

Left or right. Make your choice.

[@mariusvanc]

A legal u-turn... or is it, lieutenant.

[@scottski02]

You have thirty seconds to take the next freeway exit. If you do not, the next exit is five miles away, and will add another fifteen minutes to your trip. The choice is yours

[@kingragnarok7302]

It's good EFAP Movies count as a movie festival, else YMS wouldn't be able to watch Saw.

[@heikira438]

Wow, Tobin Bell's normal voice in interviews is way more gentle than is Jigsaw voice.

[@jorgamund07]

Doesn't Jigsaw's "I never killed anyone" fall apart in this very movie? The sick girl died of the gas he was pumping into the house. She never got a test or failed a choice, he directly killed her.

[@nont18411]

You are not supposed to question this though. Jigsaw is always right, remember that.

[@Cyberleader672]

To be fair the movie doesn't say he's right when he states he's not a killer. That's just his view on it

[@CruelestChris]

Well he didn't seem that bothered about slashing Tripp's throat in the first film. Or killing that guy with the drills, how was he supposed to get out without someone to reach that box of keys?

[@HolyApplebutter]

Yeah, he didn't kill her, the gas did. He wasn't even in the same area code as her, your Honour. Really that girl was weak for not being able to muscle through Jigsaw's Xtreme Trauma Therapy. She *chose* to continue breathing that air, so it's her fault, if anybody's. She was asking for it. Just look at what she was wearing. I rest my case.

[@nont18411]

@@HolyApplebutter Saul Goodman vibe

[@catthebart9108]

"Jigsaw not a killer"....Slid a officer's neck trying to arrest him in the first movie, and not Knowing he would die lol 😂

[@comeatmebro8120]

Didn’t he technically kill that Asian detective with that booby trap shotgun too? That wasn’t part of one of his tests 😂

[@nont18411]

@@comeatmebro8120 Nah, according to Jigsaw, Asian is not people.

[@catthebart9108]

@comeatmebro8120 I guess you can call that "breaking down the door in entering."

[@thaearthquake]

Everytime Tobin Bell smiles, an angel gets its wings.

[@dklwos8088]

I think this movie is the origin of my fear of needles.

[@NicTheGreek1979]

...prick. 😉🤣😉

[@EpicJasonX9000]

Do you get Shell Shocked when listening to Nine Inch Nails too? XD

[@ComTrag]

First time i saw that seen i had some real issues, still can't watch someone shoot up or get blood drawn on tv. Tho, its a bit lesser now since i got joel'd in the face with a 9 iron and had a bunch of reconstructive dental work. Blood work still gets me, i sweat like crazy and lose all function/feeling in my arms when i have to go get it done.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

It's weird seeing the actual Jigsaw after watching countless Saw parodies.

[@Grassroots_Hegemon]

Ahhh they made it one movie and a half before you had to have Jigsaw be an omniscient god to make the plot work, and oh my, does it only get worse and more insane in that regard. You may think this is silly but Buckle up shit is about to get real, real silly. It's awesome for every single wrong reason

[@SilvrSavior]

Kinda want a that's just silly clip to play during these efap movies

[@MediumRareOpinions]

@@SilvrSavior Monty Python has a good clip for that, Chapman dressed as an Army Officer "stop that, its too silly"

[@wyattwebb6963]

I can't blame YMS for making the crispy comment. In a forensics class I had, there was a picture of an actual burnt corpse in the textbook, but the fact it was holding a beer can made me crack up. Morbid humor, I guess.

[@npcimknot958]

It’s coping. You need to joke to keep sane. Morticians have pretty sick sense of humour. My ex friend was one.. and it was disturbing asf

[@revolversnake126]

Donnie beating the shit out of jigsaw is one of the best moments of the franchise.

[@silastipton9982]

5:04 Fun fact: This sound would be used as that jumpscare sound for Fnaf 2

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

‘It’s just spring loaded, right?” Well, There are some VERY powerful Springs out there… you pit enough tension on a thick guage of coil spring, you’d be unable to overpower it. ^.-.^

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

Oh my God... I just fucking realized. When Wahlberg asked Jigsaw where his son was, he said, "in a safe place." Literally. God damn it. (In my defense, I remember very, very little about these movies)

[@Ishfein]

Ooof, the irony of YMS calling anyone a man-child

[@torchedheavily]

It's okay rags, I'm not watching either. Only listening. And it's still unpleasant.

[@jorgehuertas3995]

Jiggsaw being the home alone kid is actually a real theory. I think even the dates match

[@JohnCenaWarriorPrincess]

Macaulay Culkin would have been 24 when the first Saw came out. Even now he isn't old enough.

[@adhirg]

7:14 my favorite scene transition in the history of cinema. no cap it’s amazing it’s too bad later sequels went overboard on the transitions lol.

[@LadyDemonSlayer]

I honestly hope this leads to EFAP Movies: Starship Troopers

[@AliceBowie]

I wonder what jigsaw's reaction would be if one of the people woke up before everyone else, freaked out, and killed everyone before he even got to ask if they were up for a game.

[@CruelestChris]

"Hello there. Oh. OH. Um, well, I guess that spoils my plans for tonight. Gimme a minute." (elevator music version of the Saw theme) "Ok, ok, I got this now, right. Um, HULK THUGSWORTH...you, um, murdered a lot of people just then. That's kinda mean. So, um...you need to put your, um, head in that oven. Or I'll delete your Netflix account."

[@mrshmuga9]

@@CruelestChris”The joke’s on you, I was on borrowed time anyway. I was password-sharing!”

[@mrshmuga9]

A channel called “Jeaney Collects” has done 20+ “Jigsaw gone wrong” clips. They’re about 20-60s each and they’re pretty funny. Like what if a trap that was setup wasn’t working and whatnot.

[@jcore0981]

Ugh the movie where they really try to drive home the whole "hE DOeSnT KIlL pEoPle" argument. At least Tobin Bell is good. And Wahlbergers is pretty good as well.

[@Cyberleader672]

I don't think it starting doing that until later. Yes, he says it in this film but at this point it's not saying he's right, that's just his view on it

[@jcore0981]

@cyberleader6074 Yeah maybe. I just remember this one pushing it.

[@Ulron1]

@@jcore0981 I don't think it necessarily does. Jigsaw says he's not, then Donnie Wahlberg counters that "holding a gun to someone's head and making them pull the trigger is still murder." Amanda also says he's not actually a killer, but then she's not exactly unbiased, is she?

[@eviscerations]

tobin really is the best thing to come out of the saw franchise. must have been kinda fucked for him when in every movie he's on a ticking clock himself, going into the next sequel wondering if this is his last movie in the series. especially a few movies after this, when he's splayed out on the table. like how do i keep doing this character after all this? he's a good actor, too bad he didn't really get any good roles until so late in his life/career. probably could've done pretty well for himself as a voice actor.

[@veiddimaddur8354]

​@@eviscerationshe's on the table in the next one

[@Rannos22]

I love how mauler and co are reacting to the jigsaw traps like an old school d&d party going through a dungeon

[@Jim-pq9pm]

Jigsaw is actually the quintessential serial killer. It makes a lot more sense when you view it through that lens. As for the stupidity of the people in the house, I think it makes sense considering they were all sick and scared. I've always like Matthews plot, I think it made sense considering he's a hothead that has to solve everything by taking control.

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

Please combine the Jigsaw shaking the cup to Det. Wallberg with Jacob's "Whadja bring me?"

[@samwallaceart288]

Donnie Wahlberg > Marky-Mark. He was only in _Sixth Sense_ for 2 minutes and he killed it. Not to mention _Band of Brothers._

[@npcimknot958]

Hes good in band of brothers

[@PieterdeNijsFMP]

The evolution of the Batwoman outros is something cs188 would be proud of

[@selly-ssrb]

Mauler losing it at 37:31 is absolute gold

[@davidmendez3899]

not enough whips and chains in this one✊🏿 I do like that one of the victims in this one gets a cameo in a later film.

[@mattlentini5460]

Obi corrects the pronunciation to his name but jigsaw just says “O B” as the tape plays immediately after. Jigsaw loves trolling

[@travissloan260]

Watching the behind the scenes for these movies is fascinating.

[@denistannenberg]

two movies in a row released at night when i'm doing night shifts... you massives

[@DaKdawg]

Feels good man. Enjoy spooktober

[@MegaDarkness5000]

After Saw 1 and not liking it (I did watch it on my own after efap) I really don't have any hope for the sequels.

[@HerohammerStudios]

They get bad enough to become funny at times. Definitely peaks with 1 in terms of actual quality though. And no, I'm not saying that one is particularly good either...

[@lassilehtinen1]

They are very funny if you treat them as a comedy.

[@Monkey-boye]

When the badm'n cuts out his number in the ONE room that's established to have a one-way mirror. Why did i like this movie.

[@jcphizzy9496]

What they should have done was just focus on the house; have it be 72 hours until the doors open, and the poison will kill you in a week or so but be irreversible after the 72 hours. the house is riddled with puzzles and traps (if you'll pardon the pun), each has one or two antidotes and there are more antidotes in total than you need. Each puzzle has time limit of X minutes after you start it, but you have 72 hours to investigate everything in the house and plan your approach. Then the game becomes a matter of this group of people who got where they are by being inherently selfish and bad at decision making having to work together to succeed.

[@BaronB.BlazikenBaronOfBarons]

I would never do an Escape Room with any of those victims, smh.

[@phoenixsplash135]

Jigsaw just giggling to himself when he said the kid is in the corner in a safe place

[@elvickRULES]

I hate the Jigsaw didn’t murder anyone bs. He should’ve just been slapped when he said that. I wheezed at “Saw you next time”

[@samzilla567]

5:40 This is probably one of the easiest traps to cheese. All he had to do was prevent the two sides of the trap from snapping together. Pressing his face against the TV would have prevented the trap from killing him because it can't close properly.

[@akashajones6079]

Then what?

[@borochifox]

I consider the 2nd saw the best one mostly because they put Jigsaw front and center, putting him right in the game trolling the cops, and I love it. And I enjoyed the twists at the end of course, but Jigasaw stole the show. (Also the black man trapped in the house is James from Showgirls)

[@rogerpuzzitiello]

Yay, the next installment of epic gamer Jigsaw teaching a bunch of noobs how to git gud in life!

[@nachgeben]

I love that 'the cringe voice' is just Tobin Bell's normal voice.

[@CatsT.M]

39:35 I appriciate Rags in this video, is nice knowing that I am not the only one who finds this absolutely disgusting.

[@mildlyangryguy6292]

11:40 The only reason I remember Dead Silence is because the trailer played quite a bit and scared the shit out of me as a kid. Never seen the movie, but still get I small chills when I see the cover. I also found the Goosebumps book Night of the Living Dummy to be one of the scarier ones (along with Creeps. The one where the protag turns his entire school into lizard people.)

[@PaceBreaker]

Dead Silence was annoying because of its pacing. It tries to have this mystery but plods along, playing out like a puzzle videogame where you have to backtrack several times to progress. Then there's the big reveal at the end and it just gets dumber.

[@alcotismo]

That whole point of it being another movie before it was turned into Saw II makes so much sense. It has such a 'made for DVD' from the early 2000's vibe

[@canaldecasta]

...Who pays for the electricity?

[@frothyknight5334]

I find Rags' discomfort towards gore interesting since he has played a lot of gorey, bloody, and highly violent video games.

[@klafsen]

Donnie Wahlberg played Lip in Band of Brothers! Please don't forget that! D:

[@SuperfluousMoniker]

I feel compelled to point out that the mid-2000s wallet chain was half pickpocket prevention device, half fashion statement; the statement being that you were cool enough to go into dangerous areas where you might need to be worried about being pickpocketed.

[@OlaftheFlashy]

Hell, I still use a wallet chain.

[@angryengine9616]

It also comes from Bikers who wear them for obvious reasons.

[@xalvador7569]

I ironically, I am a fan of Blue Bloods. Not anything to cause a great fuss about, but as Fringy said, it is a consistent show with some interesting things to say about modern police work and law enforcement in general.

[@CameronFulbright]

Tobin Bell played a character in Stargate: SG1 a few years before the first Saw. If anyone has heard of "Tollans", then you know his character was the smartest one. My head-canon is his character turned into Jigsaw due to his people's stupidity.

[@Soapy-chan]

were they the ones with the orbital canons?

[@CameronFulbright]

@@Soapy-chan Yes. Also, had tech that could disable *any* weapon, and didn't know what "painting a target" meant.

[@Soapy-chan]

@@CameronFulbright oh yeah. i love sg1 but it has its tisms xD

[@CameronFulbright]

@@Soapy-chan Recently started season 9 and season 2 of Atlantis....it's a bit rough, to say the least.

[@Soapy-chan]

@@CameronFulbright The later seasons had lots of issues unfortunately. especially the whole The ancient ones retcon stuff. Atlantis I think was good to the end, but had its tisms in between. At least the characters made it worth to watch it, I'd prefer less of the wraith though.

[@GoldenCollaredGaming]

As irritating as the one guy screaming during the raid on jigsaws compound is. I am happy that they had them continued to scream because I always hate when someone's grievously injured and then just don't react after they're off screen

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

Jigsaw: "I'm not a murderer." Bro, when you inject someone with a poison, and tell them how to get an antidote, but they don't make it in time, YOU'VE MURDERED THEM!

[@majomajo1835]

The needles scene is the most memorable moment of the whole franchise for me. Don't know why...

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Reminds me of San Francisco ^.-.^

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

@@Beuwen_The_Dragon Eh, not enough poop

[@PaceBreaker]

Fear of needles is a pretty common thing.

[@DanielChico09]

This movie is like that one Dark Brotherhood quest in oblivion but worst.

[@scottski02]

That quest was the GOAT. I can't remember the number of times I replayed just to see all the different character interactions depending on which order they died

[@DanielChico09]

@@scottski02 It was great. Pity successfully blaming someone wasn't enough for the last survivor to assume you were innocent.

[@youngzombie6342]

"This man is the biggest Big Brother fan" 😂😂😂❤

[@rabidsquirrel4702]

In their defense, maybe the poison was causing them all to act stupid

[@CatsT.M]

12:50 (In a grumbly voice): "Oh hi Mark".

[@notacompleteidiot...1285]

16:45 Supposedly, getting beaten with a phone book doesn't leave marks. Making it handy for beating information out of someone, because they can't prove it... 🤔

[@chernobog9]

Fuck yeah a Repo genetic opera reference. Love that movie

[@-Azure.EXE-]

I don't know why I would need to use a grenade for kaggle exercises before I realize that life is precious but Jiggy seems to think that is the case.

[@MBS-HomuZombie]

Wait... so if the cop dude killed Jigsaw in a rage, he wouldn't have gotten captured AND he'd get his son, and the evil lady would just be cosplaying in tub somewhere. As much as i hate the first one's twist, at least i could see a 'way' that it's safe for Jigsaw to be in that position. And wow, the Doctor dude from the first one really left the other guy behind... kinda damages that movie, imo. the first one was meh but I like parts of it. This one just felt like a downgrade, too much dumb horror people and the gore-factor doesn't do anything for me. I assume it''s all downhill from here.

[@dannyboers4704]

Well to tbf the doctor dude was missing his foot and crawling the whole way. there is a chance he didn’t even make it to anywhere before bleeding out

[@Soapy-chan]

I remember reading about Saw II in a TV magazine as a kid/young teenager, and they talked about the beartrap and how he had to get the key from his eye. I thought he actually did get it out and saved himself... Idk if I misremember or the magazine messed up... And yeah it didn't make me want to watch these movies I can stand a lot, but eyes are off limit for me

[@spacegeneral8630]

That clip from Repo is probably the best first impression you can have for a movie.

[@2percentright]

This house is so confusing. It's not really that difficult to bust all the way through a wall. I guess if it's concrete house or maybe brick, but even then. Like this permanently locked metal door...just...punch through the wall between the studs and bust away the house's siding. It might take you a little bit, but it's not like jumping into a pit full of dirty syringes.

[@Jim-pq9pm]

Ok macho man.

[@2percentright]

@@Jim-pq9pm "OH YEEEEEEEAAAH!"

[@poppag8281]

im personaly sad they aren't enjoying these movies more, I love how funny/bad they are

[@SumGuy099]

I honestly cant help it but whenever mauler and crew say "i wouldve done this in this SAW trap" all i can think of the self defense meme of "i would naruto run at the armed robber and wall run to dodge the bullets"

[@-JaggedGrace-]

In this one Mauler says he probably would be doing exactly what the first guy in the Death Mask was doing. Most of the time they're saying the obvious solution that the characters are ignoring because the plot wants them to die.

[@Jim-pq9pm]

@@-JaggedGrace- Or maybe it's because they're all sick with a toxin, saw one guy get shot in the head, and another burned to death. Rational thought is difficult when you are in a panic.

[@GodlessLawman]

I will stick up for Donnie Wahlberg, he was great as Carwood Lipton in Band of Brothers. All else he’s done is forgiven.

[@thuglifebear5256]

I vaguely remember scenes of these people yelling at each other in the room. Somehow i never finished these movies.

[@k.artware]

Saw franchise for EFAP Movies, woohoo! Animated Barbie movies next year, please 🎃

[@DaisukiJesus]

Rags would love that.

[@BrownieInTheBin]

Donny Wahlberg was in Band of Brothers!! That's all I got lol Wait do they ever explain how Jigsaw is so sick but he's able to set up all these traps?

[@Nick46289]

18:57 "He's very bad at..." Look, I won't defend this movie too much, but this is the _one_ character in this movie I can forgive for being unprofessional and overly emotional. His _son_ is in grave risk of death. And not just regular death, but extra-messed-up one.

[@warrior_cupcake]

I love Repo the Genetic Opera it's one of the worst musical movies I've ever seen I couldn't stop laughing. I would love to see an EFAP Movies of it

[@lordkrauser]

I dunno. Night Surgeon is my jam. Have fond memories of using a macro quoting it when I'd use Cleric Stance in FFXIV as a healer.

[@countD8852]

This is getting out of hand, now there are 2 of them!

[@EpicJasonX9000]

Oh yeah, I’ve actually seen Resurrection since I was doing a marathon of Christopher Lambert films since he’s my most favorite actor. That was the most obnoxious example of these streaming service’s having ads every single 5 minutes.

[@Coconut-219]

They came they Saw II they conquered.

[@DaKdawg]

I vide what you did there. hue hue hue

[@codycardin]

I saw the two fingers and thought it was about Elden Ring 😔

[@EpicJasonX9000]

“This actor’s great!” Oh, just you wait till SAW X cause he’s front & center in the entire film.

[@daftrandy]

7:00 I was never cool enough to have a wallet chain but I see how young you guys are now lol

[@nick_4972]

I'm glad YMS is suffering through these again.

[@bad-people6510]

I think this IS one of the better ones, even if on nothing more than I remember which one this one is. From here on out I couldn't tell you which one is which even though I've seen all of them. There's one later on that does something kind of interesting, but I couldn't tell you which number it is.

[@professormallard4348]

I'm totally unfamiliar with these movies, but I found the first one interesting at least. Do you still think this one is one of the better ones? I'm curious if so, cause I felt like this one was so much worse.

[@bad-people6510]

@@professormallard4348 It's the first two and then it blurs together. I explained my reasoning.

[@aurorauplinks]

Let me pitch a SAW MOVIE. SAW XXI. Opens up on a beautiful forest, we go along the sky arriving to a town on a plane. Once we arrive and see people disembarking, its got press waiting. It seems this town has been waiting for the FBI to arrive and help find the missing city council. who suspected or known, is incredibly corrupt. So then we cut to the SAW games where the council wakes up (and possibly this is taking a bit in the past, so it cuts between the past during the games, and the present in the parts where the FBI are looking.) and we start to have the story of who they are and what they are doing revealed as they have to do tasks working together, and working selfishly for a limited supply of foods to keep up the energy. They are in a trap that they are told will last 20 days, and they have to survive, similar to how they make the people of their town survive, on low budget foods and other things due to thier criminal management of the costs of things, and basically running a very tight business circle where they pay people enough to survive but not much else, not even to leave. And its this twisted game with every day having some of the best food options available only if they risk thier lives in a deadly trap to get it. And they start to get desperate and go for it because they have a few members who are spoiled and refuse to lower themselves to more survival style foods, ramen etc.. They want more decent protein rich food that tastes good. And they stupidly lose someone that way that changes everything. That is when the game changes and the lights change to red in the underground survival shelter they are in, it is massive and built under the forest. Now they are warned they have 3 days to get out, or they will never get out. so we cut to the fbi investigating what happened and where they could be, thats when the investigation starts to open up all the corruptions and actually cause some chaos in the town, and we ... well thats how i would take it to just be a different style story.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

wouldn't even need to tie in with Jigsaw himself, a simple copycat who has personal grudges against the corrupt city councilors would work just as well.

[@spinyhedgie]

Tobin Bell looks like he could be related to Christopher Walken