EFAP Movies #47: Saw IV

[@jorgamund07]

"don't go through unsecured doors" Ok, but... who was supposed to secure the door for Riggs? Does this mean Jigsaw's actual lesson is "always wait for the tech team"?

[@catsquidcatoverlord9842]

Even Jigsaw fears the power of the Tech Team.

[@kvltofsobek90]

​@@catsquidcatoverlord9842the tech team are the 20 Good Men, dimension-hopping between GoT and this

[@AnthroArcade]

I remember reading somewhere that Riggs was seen by Hoffman as a potential apprentice, which is why Hoffman/Jigsaw had him do all those traps and left messages like "feel what I feel" and "See what I see", and the "you can't save everyone" may have been the idea that Jigsaw tries to "save" people but some just can't get saved even if they make it through a trap. IDK if that's really the case since the film does a TERRIBLE job at even implying that.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Should've been S4W.

[@davidmendez3899]

Saw4stic

[@dusky5535]

I call saw X: Socks

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

Saw4bles

[@SuperMegaGaelourde]

RIP 5CREAM, gone but not forgotten

[@ab-gail]

Missed opportunity fr

[@SonOfmowgef]

I love the idea that Riggs got to the end really quickly, but knew not to go through the door, so he just has to sit awkwardly outside for 20 minutes while the timer runs down.

[@hardpack187]

Rigg should have just busted through the drywall and avoided doors altogether. Nobody ever considers the Kool Aid gambit.

[@Grassroots_Hegemon]

OHHHH YEAHHHHHHH

[@EpicJasonX9000]

“It’s so green in here!” The real twist is that this entire franchise takes place in The Matrix! XD

[@rizzmb3016]

While I am 50/50 on his takes. YMS making the meme a reality by bringing a recorder/flute was hilarious.

[@leviHeichou]

I laughed so hard at the Strahm and Hoffmann bit. They look so similar that it almost has to be on purpose.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

What if someone was in a Jigsaw trap while simultaneously being hunted by death from Final Destination?

[@Modification102]

"Hello Death, I'd like to play a game"

[@mjob1sniper851]

All funded by the umbrella corporation.

[@86lanzo]

​@mjob1sniper851 while hes in the game Russian Zombie clones are slowly walking towards him

[@davidmendez3899]

the trap would glitch like how the gun in 2 had multiple duds.

[@Chris-yz7cs]

Final Sawstination?

[@sionaramel746]

Saw 11 will be that the government hired Jigsaw to rig a prison with traps to help the prisoners “reform” themselves because everyone in this ugly awful universe thinks somehow his special brand of forceful therapy works.

[@Chris-yz7cs]

You madman, thats brilliant 👏 👏

[@nobody2996]

You gotta think bigger. Saw 11 will be two competing Jigsaw fanatics trying to outtest each other, only to reveal taht one of their victims is the true Jigsaw fanboy.

[@AliceBowie]

These movies definitely take place on another, stupider planet.

[@nicholasscott5905]

You need to check out the definitive entertainment work of art that is human centipede 3

[@TheWorldBelowDnD]

That'd be kinda hype, so long as we introduce a new henchmen of jigsaw, who was an extra in an earlier film, and has totally been there the whole time!

[@nont18411]

The moment when John Kramer walked towards Amanda and then the lighting struck, turning him into his murder Jigsaw doll and then turning back to John Kramer as he said “YOU LACK CONVICTION” with his voice heavily edited is everything to me. I crapped my pants and screamed “Jigsaw! He jigsawed!” Best scene in the entire Saw universe. #saw #jigsaw #amanda #amandayoung #john #johnkramer

[@Soyuz2578]

I prefer the scenes where the dolls ride their trikes down the hill into jigsaws deep.

[@dusky5535]

It's Sawing time

[@Party_Almsivi]

(Blood spatter) Red! THATS RED!

[@tsafrirblotnick7393]

#SaWednesday OMGGGG

[@fffx2]

#sawsaturday

[@nont18411]

Jigsaw: Tortured a woman who got abused by her husband “Officer Rigg, you shouldn’t be obsessed in saving everyone. You should let them (abuse victim) save themselves (from an abuser).” Also Jigsaw: “I have morals.”

[@nhagan001]

Everyone knows the best way to save an abuse victim is to abuse the abuse out of them! Two negatives cancel out!

[@rudista10]

"you failed your test, now your daughter is locked somewhere and you'll never find her. By the way, I didn't kill anyone, it's your fault"

[@giulizpaviz6381]

Technically this Jigsaw is Hoffman so obviously his morals are different

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

also, also Jigsaw: "I do not kill people. I have machines for that."

[@rudista10]

@@giulizpaviz6381 but jigsaw knew about it, no?

[@SubwoofBarks]

Longbones "new kid on the iceblock" was an underrated double-entendre joke.

[@Archphoenix1]

Saw 4, where a severed head has more lines and emotion than Ahsoka tano

[@fearoffema]

Main thing I have learned from the EFAP Saw experience is the creators of Saw love squishy sound effects

[@thecaboosevarietychannel]

Nice to see Wolf back as the editor.

[@dusky5535]

Wait for real?

[@kreese-yi2nb]

@@dusky5535 The credits say so 👍

[@Soapy-chan]

​@@dusky5535also you can see the difference in editing style to the last episodes and he uses the clips more than others, especially putting them into the avatars. He did that several times in other episodes he edited.

[@dusky5535]

That makes me so happy

[@Dante...]

@@dusky5535 Fun Fact: Wolf also edited the Lord of Ring Gollum compilation.

[@baileylanore]

Gandalf’s death theme playing over the miscarriage scene caught me off guard

[@trevorcoyle517]

How about POWERWOLF at 10:14!

[@Jasper_Silva]

I love that the theme of this movie is "going through doors too fast is gonna kill you"... Which tbh DOES consistently kill characters in Saw movies.

[@lackofalltradess]

>edited by Wolf >Powerwolf reference It's a simple thing, but this brings me great joy

[@giulizpaviz6381]

I feel bad for Rigg because he didn't deserved to get tested But I mostly feel bad for Eric Matthews, the guy just wanted to save his son and he never knew what happened to him actually. Edit: I don't know why I called him Donnie, Donnie is another guy

[@AliceBowie]

What about the fact that he kills cops all the time without even putting them in traps. Or just booby traps.

[@seeingblind2]

​@@AliceBowiethey didn't dodge the bullets so he's not a murderer technically

[@kevo-o-o]

​@seeingblind2 that's what I've been telling the prosecution for years, they ain't listening

[@cdubsb3831]

People dont kill people. Guns kill people.

[@thaearthquake]

Yeah that actually bothered me when I first saw this movie. Ol’ Donnie couldn’t catch a break.

[@EpicJasonX9000]

“Do we get to know what happened to the little girl?” Yes we do actually. We find out what happened in Saw V.

[@comeatmebro8120]

Yeah the Hoffster rescues her. Even though her life is practically ruined now since her parents are both dead. Jigsaw basically orphaned that child and probably traumatized her by kidnapping her

[@dusky5535]

@@comeatmebro8120 Ahhh man I love this goofy ahh franchise

[@kvltofsobek90]

@@comeatmebro8120 you just dont understand actually Jigsaw never technically kidnapped anyone. He finds ways for his victims to kidnap themselves

[@nobody2996]

@@comeatmebro8120 And then Amanda tells her to not trust Hoffman so the little girl can... Uh... Do nothing with that information because she's a fucking little girl.

[@Pink.andahalf]

It cracks me up that 3 people in this call had seen the whole series and it's so full of nonsense that they can't remember what happened to her offhand.

[@rogerpuzzitiello]

With this movie and the rest of the series, Jigsaw’s grave should read: Here lies John Kramer. He didn’t stop here.

[@AliceBowie]

The real way to beat Jigsaw's puzzles is to have situational awareness, and pop whoever tries to knock you out with anesthetic before they take you and put you in a filthy room.

[@nont18411]

Jeff cutting Jigsaw’s throat, spewing blood. The audience: “Red? That’s red!!!”

[@patrioticcat5768]

(Soypogging reaction intensifies) DUUUUDE! 😳😭👏#JigsawSavedSaw

[@nedia8259]

HE SAWED!

[@TheWorldBelowDnD]

HE JIGSAWED. (Gotta sneak in the silhouettes of all his henchmen in the smoke too, lol)

[@stroud9208]

​@@patrioticcat5768#John #Kramer #SawSunday

[@jackwhite2654]

He's John Kramer when he's with his friends, he's Jigsaw when he's aloooooooone!

[@rebooted_trash2066]

Hearing Powerwolf in this video made the experience for me. I would die for the little robot

[@stephenbruns5247]

I love how this series has just turned into mystery science theater for modern movies.

[@kianrodriguez4455]

"Hello Mauler. I'd like to play a game. You have reviewed and criticized Disney Star Wars shows and films for years, dedicating yourself to good writing. However, you have refused to consume the product. In this game, you must watch all of the sequel trilogy and every single show excluding Andor without a single pause. If you fail this, they will replay over and over until you die. Let the game begin."

[@thesmilinggun-knight9646]

No that just cruel and unusual.

[@esotericVideos]

12:23 YMS's heads up about these 2 different characters being 2 different characters is honestly maybe my favorite part of the whole EFAP, it's not just funny but it legitimately is an important plot point.

[@TheWunWhiteWolf]

Jeff would have been perfect for this test. He is so slow Eric would probably have crawled himself to a hospital in the time it would take for Jeff to get to the final door.

[@AnakinSkywalker-u5b]

The real irony is that Riggs & Jeff would've fared much better and succeeded if they were to switch trials. Jeff's slow as shit speed would've more than likely had him saving Matthews after the timer is done. Essentially screwing Hoffman's plan. Meanwhile, Eric would've not only went through the tests quickly, but would've more than likely saved many of the people in Jeff's trial due to him not stopping and just wasting time like a moron.

[@TheRealJabbergeist]

What is Jigsaw's day job? How does he afford all these empty warehouses and custom metalwork? Whenever I try to imagine him in a real job, all I can think of is Jigsaw slouching behind the register of a corner shop wearing a name tag that says, "My Name Is JIGGY Serving Since 2004" With 'serving' scribbled out and replaced with 'sawing'.

[@Tiltigo]

It would have been interesting if they had one character that took part in all the traps in every movie and survived until the end. RIP Donnie

[@atomicdancer]

"I feel... thin. Sort of stretched, like... that lady's scalp in Saw IV." - Bilbo Stabbins

[@Grassroots_Hegemon]

Fun Fact: A theatre mistakenly played Saw IV instead of the Bee Movie leading to an audience of children witnessing a graphic Autopsy

[@AliceBowie]

Holy shit. That's horrible

[@Grassroots_Hegemon]

@@AliceBowie Yeah they got some shit for that one

[@Baldwin-iv445]

Definitely a better film to watch if you ask me.

[@akashajones6079]

​@@Baldwin-iv445Hard disagree on that one.

[@Baldwin-iv445]

@@akashajones6079 We sure?

[@Joe45-91]

YMS with the flute 😂 The guy is funny. Its too bad he had such a refined taste in his film diet

[@kreese-yi2nb]

Edited by Wolf??? Love it.

[@OliverKlozzofff]

We got John's past, his apprentices/accomplices, his ex wife, his heartless, his nobody. This franchise is getting very Kingdom Hearts-ey for better and for worse.

[@BlackDeath22341]

Next thing you know when all of his apprentices die John's gonna get ressurected to make the REAL Jigsaw killers in Saw XIII

[@lordkrauser]

Kraxrem. Remkrax. Kexrram..

[@spinyhedgie]

Really want to see Mickey fighting Jigsaw with a keyblade now

[@stoneymahoney9106]

@@spinyhedgie Now I have the image stuck in my head of Mickey swinging a gore-splatted keyblade up on to his blood-soaked shoulder, looking right into the camera while giving a thumbs up and saying "Live or die, make your choice! Oh boy!"

[@spinyhedgie]

@@stoneymahoney9106 Mr Jiggy: hello Mickey …. Would you like to play a game? Mickey: oh boy! Ha-ha!

[@karloskemp01]

Cracks me up how Jigsaw can catch criminals, rapist and killers put them in death traps easily and the police can’t

[@matthewcollins4773]

They should hire him. "Okay, we don't like the torture and death trap bit, but the first half of your operation -- finding and capturing these people -- that's good. Can you give us some pointers, just hold back on that second half."

[@TheRealJabbergeist]

​@@matthewcollins4773It's like if they already knew Dexter was a serial killer when they hired him.

[@conan2096]

thats the most realistic part lol

[@DrYu-jf6tb]

what bored me about these movies is that no one ever beats Jigsaw at his own game even once. imagine he would for once pick up a recorder and would hear 'hello, dearest Jigsaw............now.....would *you* like to play a game for a change ?'

[@-JaggedGrace-]

Even outsmarting a trap and escaping unscathed in a way Saw didnt foresee would be a welcome change

[@DrYu-jf6tb]

@@-JaggedGrace- just once..........agreed

[@ab-gail]

That would be the last movie… just before the reboot. 😂

[@DrYu-jf6tb]

@@ab-gail really ? I dont remember that one

[@TheSoulvian]

I suspect the 11th movie might do something like that after the 10th film established a nemesis for Jigsaw in the form of Cecilia Pederson. They might disappoint me, though.

[@Soapy-chan]

My biggest problem with saw after 2 is that the traps are not made to survive. Yes, some of them you can kind of escape, but not without wounding yourself a lot. There's no test there. There's not even a test related to their "crimes" aside from a countdown that you have to wait out because... patience... You could have the gore with traps that are possible to survive and actually test your flaws, where you have to use your brain to figure things out and the people die because they make a mistake or hesitate too long or misinterpret something. It still could be a little unfair depending on what it is, but it's way fairer than what we get.

[@snakeguy8646]

So, ok, I’m not too well versed in Saw Lore, but from what I know that was supposedly intentional? As in Jigsaws traps that he made were meant to be escapable, but his disciples didn’t share Kramers ideals so they just made unfair traps to copycat Jigsaw but mainly just kill people. Now the validity to this whole thing is not certain, but it’s something I guess?

[@Soapy-chan]

@@snakeguy8646 Well I would accept it for the later saw movies (though it'd be nice if the movies explain that, e.g. a cop says these traps are weird and the other cop says that his henchmen are crazier), but in 2-4 jigsaw is still directly involved, just not setting it up personally, but he makes the tapes still.

[@snakeguy8646]

@@Soapy-chan Yeah this is a very convoluted string of lore, but apparently Hoffman at least knows how to recreate Kramers original Jigsaw voice for tapes, so it’s left up to interpretation just how involved Kramer was besides that first one he swallowed. But we also know that Amanda supposedly set up parts of 2’s traps, and all of 3’s traps, Hoffman sets up 4’s

[@Soapy-chan]

@@snakeguy8646 oh of course he can recreate the voice... even though AI voice wasn't a thing back then yet... I just hate when sequels make shit up about the first movies

[@stoneymahoney9106]

Consistently coming up with fair tests that are interesting and not repetitious for the enjoyment of the audience is hard. On the other hand, coming up with gory and weird torture/gore pr0n devices is easy. I guess the writers were "smart" enough to figure out how to justify their inspirational shortfall by writing the change in trap/test quality into the story. I guess it's the shark jump moment for the series.

[@Garrador876]

Thank you to whoever threw in the Powerwolf song. That took me off guard lol.

[@kreese-yi2nb]

Wolf did it I recon ☺️

[@TBone4Breakfast]

What song is it?

[@Garrador876]

Amen and Attack@@TBone4Breakfast

[@CrimsonHound84]

@@TBone4Breakfast Amen and Attack

[@reaps912]

Someone in live chat tried to defend this film by saying “why do you need a narrative? It’s just a dumb smart horror movie” … _what??_

[@_somestuff]

bruh, they stupid. The movie is in no way smart, only convoluted as shit. Half of it is boring trap garbage and the other half is Strahm smashing photos onto the table coupled with boring police crap, and then a lil' bit more of Tobin Bell's acting.

[@329link]

That feels like it may have been a reference to a video they watched earlier in efap. Not that I can remember the video or anything, it just sounds like something you'd hear.

[@reaps912]

I really hope you’re right; the only reason I concluded that this was legit is that I saw the same person making other bizarre defences prior to this one

[@ab-gail]

@@329link Yeah that had GDELB energy.

[@nachgeben]

For anyone confused about the abused woman: She was also complicit in the molestation of her daughter, not trying to help her. Still a shitty thing to do to her given why she didn't (fear), BUT it was a double-layered thing. Edit: Also, Hoffman was in the game in case Riggs didn't rush through the door, so he had an alibi as a victim. :| Edit 2: The wishful dog fucker is a really bad SAW guide.

[@SuperAllelujah]

Yeah! I enjoy Czsworld when it comes to Saws story and characters explained.

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

About Hoffman. That... doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I mean, the "gambit" was that if the ice melted Hoffman died electrocuted. So if Riggs hadn't barged in, I'm pretty sure he'd be dead. And if he doesn't die, it'd be pretty obvious the trap was rigged in such a way that he would never be in any real danger. I mean, at that point if Brigg opens the door he lives and if Brigg doesn't he still lives. If I were a cop and saw that situation I'd start making questions.

[@AnakinSkywalker-u5b]

​@@thespanishinquisition4078 To he fair, that would assume you have more than two functioning brain cells to rub together to notice that. Which the coppers in the Saw Universe don't seem to have. Or at least, they all seem to share one brain cell.

[@2ndlegend125]

To be entirely fair to these films and Kramer's philosophy (it was already contradicted by the nature of the traps in the first 3 but anyway) most of the traps made in 4 onward are made by Hoffman who isn't someone who actually cares about the philosophy he just needs the games to keep going for reasons.

[@RedStar_N7]

Wasn't it implied in the last one that Amanda had been modifying the traps to make them practically unsolvable? All his tapes make sense if you imagine they were made with the original design in mind. And it answers the question as to why Amanda's test was so easy compared to the ones that came after, and why John was rather surprised Jeff was getting through his traps so quickly. From a directing perspective, whats the point of making such meticulous traps if we dont see them go off? Either way, its as if she and Hoffman became stand ins for the writers because they prioritize the intricate traps and the gore that follows, over the point their master want to make. Like they recognized the broad audience doesnt care about the story in the slightest and this was their excuse

[@2ndlegend125]

@@RedStar_N7 iirc I think it's revealed later on that Amanda was faithful to Jigsaw but was blackmailed by Hoffman, retconing her actions in 3 to be all Hoffman's fault.

[@SilvrSavior]

@@2ndlegend125 I think it is revealed in the next movie that Hoffman was blackmailing Amanda to have her kill the wife or he would reveal info to Jigsaw...I'm really hazy on that though since I have not cared enough to watch these movies in years.

[@2ndlegend125]

@SilvrSavior I watch them at least once a year, and I'm still foggy on the details.

[@spinyhedgie]

@@SilvrSaviori think in vi theres a photocopy of a letter from hoffman to amanda that tells her to kill jeff or hoffman will tell jigsaw that amanda was with cecil the night jill got hit with the door. He basically was going to make it sound like it was amandas fault that gideon died prematurely. I hate that i have this knowledge.

[@TheDataByteChannel]

Fun Fact: the actress who plays Agent Perez, Athena Karkanis; is the voice of the main villain, Opaline Arcana, in My Little Pony: Make Your Mark/Tell Your Tale. So MLP actually has a Saw connection.

[@Baldwin-iv445]

Jesus Christ. That's more cursed than Spider man having a connection to the Interview.

[@predatorasap5040]

"Hello LongMan lets play a little game the device your wearing is a something bear trap all you have to do to survive it is to make a 5 minute long review" Mauler : Kill me

[@professormallard4348]

That set up, but it's Theo listening to a video essay that starts with a story about the reviewer's childhood.

[@Phoenix0F8]

"Hello Movie Bob, let's play a little game, the device you're wearing will snap over your mouth and force it closed if you try to consume more than one of these 170 happy meals I've set before you." Movie Bob: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@Cyberleader672]

To answer Mauler's question just incase they miss it in the next one, the girl from the end of Saw III is still alive. We see Hoffman give her to the Police at the start of the fifth movie

[@comeatmebro8120]

Riggs: I’m upset that all of my friends are being killed by this Jigsaw guy one by one and desperately want to save them Jigsaw: This man hates life. Put him in the test

[@rabidsquirrel4702]

Love or hate YMS, you gotta admit he's an amazing flute player

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

At this point, working at that Police Department is just an absolute health hazard… I’d get a transfer across the country to some tiny town where nothing happens… o.-.o ‘Live or Die Cecil, make your choice.” Anakin? Is that you? O.-.o

[@CommanderZx2]

The way the writers just invent new characters and plots to keep the series going reminds me of the Resident evil movies.

[@ackyfacky4332]

Yo, Wolf bringing Cannibal Corpse, Powerwolf and Gojira in this edit? Absolutely based.

[@blueluminary]

"28 STAB WOUNDS!" Loved that the Connor clip was added 😂❤❤

[@captaindropkik]

I think something that could've been incorporated into these movies, especially during that panicked fight towards the beginning, was the infamy around these things where people are now just terrified within society of the slight chance they could be abducted and tortured by Jigsaw. Could've developed it way better than just gratuitous gore.

[@tomjames9681]

Man, Donnie’s foot looked really SAW I’m glad someone put it on ice.

[@BaronB.BlazikenBaronOfBarons]

Jigsaw just loves doing the “Attach something to a door, so something activates when it’s opened” trick. To the point that it’s the focal point of this movie!

[@vitorschein8073]

Amen and attack from Powerwolf, one of my favorite bands, great editing

[@eduardoalvarez7546]

Like a dharmann video title: “Guy runs through unsecure doors, what happens next will shock you.”

[@veiddimaddur8354]

I absolutely love the transitions, they're ridiculous

[@joshberger7778]

whoever edited this thank you for the inclution of the we have technoligy meme, i was hopeing it would be referenced.

[@Soapy-chan]

Wolf edited it

[@BigFry9591]

Didn't expect to hear Powerwolf when watching EFAP. How gloriously unexpected!

[@joeker5208]

“Who’s Straum, and who’s Hoffman? Both walk in the room😂😂

[@tylerdavis6389]

Ok. I was not expecting the Powerwolf sample drops, but they were excellent.

[@JonathanJStoneblack]

I stand with Donnie Wahlberg when he opined, "I don wanna play anymo..."

[@chesarinr5756]

I love the use of Powerewolf as a meme. Sad the wasn't a chance for using Ressurection by Erection

[@cdubsb3831]

Its kinda sad how the world agrees with the motivations of Jigsaw. They justify and reinforce his decisions and judgements almost as a universal constant. Like, you could probably set the same premise and traps up just to confirm that Johns psychotic and deluded. A grieving and wronged man who actually has a bonkers warped view of morality. Set it up to examine and test others deluded and hypocritical behaviors. Focus on how the followers warp their perspective to insanity to follow a warped image and personal interpretation of his philosophy. Or either make Jigsaws victims actually deserving of the traps so you're more comfortable indulging in karmic schadenfreude like the new one, or have the ideology just be a vague smokescreen for other motivations like Spiral.

[@raze2798]

4:45 Everyone is mentioning the Powerwolf samples, but not a single soul mentioned the Cannibal Corpse sample. Truly a tragedy

[@ryanmontgomery9749]

19:14 I was waiting for this reaction to that transition!😂😂😂

[@clintbeastwood5116]

"My idea for a Saw sequel: We spend the first ten minutes performing an autopsy on Jigsaw and show everything."

[@Modification102]

Oh boy, here I go DO DO DO, DO DO DO, DODO DO DO DOing again

[@iWannabe]

New Kid On The Ice Block is the most underrated joke in the video. I appreciated it Jane😂😂

[@nont18411]

*Amanda going into world between worlds surrounding by pink cloud with people screaming for their lives* Amanda to Jigsaw: “This is the Jigsaw traps!” Jigsaw to Amanda: “Live or die?” (Ignites his red tape recorder) Amanda then turned into Amanda the White

[@Nexus_Hives]

When we see the red tape recorder. "IT'S RED" 😭👏👏

[@329link]

He jigsaw'd

[@patrioticcat5768]

Red?😟 That's red!😳

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

#SawSaturday

[@Jasper_Silva]

So amazing to see Tobin Bell playing Jigsaw again!

[@jasioonpc144p5]

"Edited by Wolf" POG

[@booperdee2]

Funny story, so in the house we only had the first 3 Saw movies, and i didnt know how to find movies to watch online yet. Watched them all and was super curious about how everything continued but i had no means of finding out without buying the 4th one so i just left it. Week or 2 later i was taking bottles to a glass recycling place, and for whatever reason someone had thrown out a Saw 4 DVD. Took it home to watch it and it started bugging out and failing about half way through. Freaks me out and i broke the disk in half and threw it out

[@matthewcollins4773]

For all that they keep harping on about his bizarre code of conduct as though it's a legitimate philosophy, these films seem to be less and less about Jigsaw's supposed "lesson" and ever more about excuses to kill people. "Oh, this person did this thing wrong", "this person is someone you don't like", "kill that person to be free". I thought it was supposed to be about valuing your life, not dumb revenge porn (by far my least favourite "genre") in a hundred flavours?

[@defeqel6537]

And this one is especially funny: "you have an obsession with saving people, so you need to die"... wait, what is it that Jigsaw is (purportedly) doing again?

[@sztallone415]

it's clear they bit off more than they could chew in basically every aspect. this is the prime example of a franchise that lost it's fuel quickly: - the 'philosophy' is in shambles: it's less and less about that, often the reason behind the victims is nonsense - they try with the traps too hard, and they sometimes seem funny like the iceblock - the traps are stupidly designed - the victims don't behave smartly - the chronology is a big ? for the sake of twists all in all, they clearly tried to go on for the money, but the creators weren't smart enough and they had too few elements to expand on to begin with

[@vidmastereon]

the theme was shaky since the beginning as they were trying to do something similar as to what seven did but messing it up

[@EpicJasonX9000]

They’re secretly harvesting John Kramer’s organs to be served in Hannibal Lecter’s fancy dinners.

[@Soyuz2578]

52:07 YMS with the flute... I literally died 😂😂😂

[@1989Yamashita]

On the first Jigsaw trap thingie with the two guys (one can't talk and one can't see), I am not 100% sure but I think there was never a tape telling the two what to do. That's not like any other Jigsaw trap, probably because it'd make it too easy for the blinded guy to understand the other fella is not the killer.

[@jlogan2228]

its hilarious how they had to start writing in story reasons for how crappy and stupid the traps were like "oh they are meant to be unwinable bc these jigsaw acolytes arent following the rules" but jigsaw always had bad traps since film 1 bc there were traps that your life is in someone elses hands and you have NO way to save yourself even if you want to live. Speaking of which his own traps were unwinable bc these people would wake up from heavy sedation in a new area with some contraption fastene to them then be told you have 60 seconds to mutilate yourself or die and most people would have about half of thyat just needing to process whats actually going on then psych themselves up.

[@griffinbruno1136]

BattleBots reference. Instant favorite EFAP

[@_FVLL_]

The transitions in this Saw are my absolute favorite. They're so extra

[@nicholaskinkaid]

There is a completely unrelated movie called *"Phonebooth"* that I would highly recommend if you like even just the idea of the SAW movies. That movie is nearly *identical* to the SAW franchise but Phonebooth executes the concept of what the SAW movies are 'trying' to do 1000x better than any of the 10 movies. Phonebooth isn't labeled as a horror though. It's a psychological thriller (which I prefer because that means there is more tension rather than jump scares). The killer has ZERO problem being considered a murderer even if the targets just get themselves killed. And he even acknowledges killing actual innocent people (loved ones of his targets) should his targets fail at confession and redemption for their crimes. Colin Farrell and Keith Sutherland are fantastic in it. And the movie doesn't plague the viewers with the stupid artificial moral grey zone of 'is jigsaw actually killing anyone though?'. Pretentious franchise that thinks the movies are smarter than they actually are. EDIT: Phonebooth movie is currently free on youtube 👍

[@pdzombie1906]

There's nothing more epic than shitty flute playing "Hello, Zepp", or the twist SAW theme!!!

[@defeqel6537]

People who like to eat while watching these, raise your hand

[@EpicJasonX9000]

Same with The Texas Chain Saw Massacre films.

[@sophiecooper1824]

I remember i once ate spaghetti during the autopsy scene 😂

[@patrioticcat5768]

Hello massives, I wanna play a game.

[@DaKdawg]

Old man Greg. Nice reference Wolf. Absolute Massive of Legendary portions.

[@TheWorldBelowDnD]

Watched the kill counts for these- The absolute insanity with the plot threads and timelines in these is kinda wonderful, hahaha

[@SolarDragon007]

HE KRAMERED

[@nont18411]

HE JIGSAWED

[@SuperMegaGaelourde]

HE TOTALLY JOHNED! OH DUDE, BIG TWIST!

[@bZman]

S4W: The Return of The Revenge of the Kingdom of the Crystal Saw of the Dream Child

[@Raxus502]

hail Wolf! hope you're doing good!

[@soandso3676]

13:56 “Johns life defies chronology and linear description” literally an in-text explanation for the wonky timeline, of this franchise. Like they were subtly trying to get ahead of the confusion 😂

[@GodlessLawman]

YMS: “I’m SAW-ry!!” Beautiful.

[@pocketmarmots]

Oh, my word, it's been too long since I've seen a "28 stab wounds" reference. Gooood times.

[@Right_Said_Brett]

I would love for the EFAP crew to do reactions to the entire Hellraiser series. There's a couple of genuinely great films and many, many more god awful sequels. It would make for a very entertaining series of reaction videos.

[@Zemnith]

“Live or die snips” Jigsaw, possibly

[@tentacledood5784]

I love when Cosmo Kramer said "I am all the saws" and then sawed Amanda, one of the cinema moments of all time.

[@Kernwadi]

Let's say, hypothetically, I am a barbie girl. Okay let's even say I'm in a barbie world. Right so, in this scenario, I would obviously know from personal experience that life in plastic is fantastic. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume you could brush my hair and undress me literally everywhere? Imagination; you can derive from the fundamentals of basic logic that life is your creation.

[@TallTreeBACE]

I hope we see more of YMS/Adum, even with the fallout. I like EFAP's and YMS's content and collabs

[@Joe45-91]

He is legitimately funny. Some of his takes make me not want to like him but...idk he's been great in all the efaps I've seen

[@Soapy-chan]

is there even a fallout or is it both fanbases pretending there is one?

[@cdubsb3831]

​@@Soapy-chani think thats a bit more accurate. Ive seen a few people primarily from Adums audience fall into the Efap community and stir up trouble to go back to their servers to harp on about "those sorts of people that Mauler cultivates"

[@Soapy-chan]

@@cdubsb3831 pathetic people really

[@samzilla567]

Mauler and crew let Adum air out his beef against Critical Drinker without antagonizing him. He made himself look like a fool without them having to shake him down. I'm sure even if Adum feels miffed about the experience, they'll talk it out and hash things out so we can get more collabs. You can leave the EFAP family, but it never leaves you.

[@vincenziofaciana6411]

Editor I appreciate the random powerwolf. 10:36

[@thyagosaints]

Mauler talking about supernatural and singing How to save a life..greys,Lol, Just love this

[@tljsucks1166]

You are a saint for that Cannibal corpse reference at 4:49

[@beardmaster6208]

You guys should watch all the hellraiser movies. This is a absolute gold mess of a series.

[@kreese-yi2nb]

I bet it's going to be their 2024 challenge.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

The Friday the 13th films, and I say that only because I want them to roast Jason X where they go to S P A C E !

[@kreese-yi2nb]

@@MediumRareOpinions Jason X is my favorite of entire franchise... and I still want it roasted. But seriously - the guys will still probably do Freddy, Michael and Jason before Pinhead, I am fine with that.