The Halo Show Hates the Games | EFAP Highlight

[@PvtIndi]

The saddest part is most Halo fans were expecting this. We're so used to being given terrible stories that its not a surprise anymore. We're at stage 5 in the stages of grief. A grim acceptence...

[@bluex217]

It's crazy how something really good can be shown to the world by an authentic and passionate source (Bungie) and all the people who want to piggy back off of their success simultaneously ridicule and implicitly belittle it with their own "improved" takes

[@marcogenovesi8570]

most fans are at the "Halo is dead" stage and have moved on years ago. 343 has been butchering the corpse for more than a decade

[@PvtIndi]

@@marcogenovesi8570 I agree. It would be nice to have something good come of the butchering though. Like Star Wars and Andor. The series is dead, but Tony at least made a good season of television

[@nagger8216]

I just find it hilarious that the show is what finally got people's attention and to get everyone riled up. Like guys, they've been doing this for the passed 12 years, where have you been? I'm with Wolf on this one, I just cannot summon the energy to give a shit anymore about yet more Halo butchering. Add it to the pile. At least this one isn't even canon, Chief and Cortana wanting to fuck is canon though.

[@mistermcdingus1728]

You hit the nail on the head. You know you messed up when the target demographic is too cynical to even care

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

The HALO show hates Schlurpo, Veb, and The Don. One could say that hate is their only joy.

[@joseantoniomillabrito2764]

If "The Don" is who I think he is, then the hate is very well earned. That dude is wrong in a non appealing way.

[@azaryahwilson1826]

@@joseantoniomillabrito2764it’s not. Just look up the Don Supercut from this channel.

[@yaboiportch]

Hatred is the only thing in life that brings me joy(?)

[@joseantoniomillabrito2764]

@@azaryahwilson1826 Thanks man! I'll look into it🤘🤘🤘

[@robertbeisert3315]

​@@joseantoniomillabrito2764EFAP avoids politics

[@TheLeadhound]

I remember years ago when I would get excited by the idea of adaptations. But now ever announcement has become "Hey! Do you kids like Sly Cooper? Well great! We are making a Sly Cooper movie. But it is all about Carmelita. She will be an insufferable girl boss. And Sly will be a lame loser that gets nothing done. And Murray will be evil. And Bentley will be trans. And we will not even mention Clockwerk. And we are making it for a 'modern audience.' And it will look horrible. And the plot will be nonsense. Why is everybody hating this? You are all bigots!" It is all so tiresome.

[@kasch3288]

It’s not tiresome it’s jewish. Wise up quickly.

[@TheLeadhound]

@@kasch3288 I do not disagree with your assessment.

[@AlmightySmorg]

“But Murray being evil is fat-phobic” said the braindead crowd

[@zachrohler1047]

Dont forget the lame backstory for slys cane being given to him by some random dude who inevitably betrays him lmao

[@testiculartorsion6047]

(((The usual suspects)))

[@weareharbinger914]

Yes, most 'adaptions' do hate the source, its why they always insert some random nonsense as the story rather than...the story. Hence it superficially resembles the property, but you get things like black elves and retarded UNSC The prop departments tend to work really hard though. Less so in Rings of Power.

[@barrybend7189]

UNSC uniforms are based on those in Star Trek Discovery and the Spartans are horribly written.

[@zachrohler1047]

Rings of power was even a billion dollars and it still looked like crap

[@mariokarter13]

Trojan's Adaptation: >Pitch an adaptation of a beloved IP >Use this foot in the door to get your completely unrelated script greenlit Now just remember to Find/Replace your Yaoi couple's names to Sam and Frodo and your "adaptation" is good to go.

[@barrybend7189]

Remember in season 1 they thought using Star Trek Discovery Season 3 uniforms was a good idea for the UNSC. A small detail but one that shows they hate the source material.

[@turbostrike1632]

Is that a Gaia Gear pfp?

[@barrybend7189]

@@turbostrike1632 yes.

[@MicahDarkFantasy]

Not a Halo fan, but I can tell this show has the look, the feel, and the sound of something that just feels like they made it just to disregard anything that made people love the IP in the first place. History seems to repeat itself with this one.

[@RebelNutts-gg1xf]

They do have the aliens looking the part however humanity is the underdog the first game takes part practically over and Earth is all that is left.

[@rontheauraknight9606]

Humanity is the underdog in all the games, they only seem to be not as much of an underdog once the Covenant in fight with the Elites losing an big part of their army to side with Chief and UNSC. Also Earth isn’t the only one left, Earth is basically kept secret from the covenant they just found it by accident by trying to find the ark, not expecting humanity to both live there AND be the home world of their enemy

[@calebreynolds9183]

@@rontheauraknight9606 I think he meant that humanity is supposed to be the underdog but in the show

[@nagger8216]

@@rontheauraknight9606 No, Earth is definitely one of the last planets, if not the last planet humanity has left. Lord Hood literally says "Earth, it's all we have left." to Chief in Halo 3 lol. Even God-awful Halo 4 recognized that, since the Infinity was built to be the UNSC's mobile HQ in the event Earth fell.

[@deriznohappehquite]

A major recurring theme of EFAP is that the work of thousands of VFX guys and actors, sound people, etc. can be annihilated by one bad writer. This show is like a perfect microcosm of that.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

The great tragedy is that loyal fans who want to create accurate, well intentioned shows for their favorite IPs will be struck down by copyright claims. Those with exclusive access have no intention to respect the unique gift they’re given. Perhaps it truly is through creating separate universes that we can save the old properties from themselves.

[@bluex217]

Yeah.. nothing so great or artistically amazing has ever come from a huge organization. Bungie was a small company for instance and they only kept Halo what it was with MS in the mix because they pushed back so hard

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

Halo mods will do well

[@kirby2567]

For the music Is it just possibly down to the fact that 343 hates marty o'donnel and don't want to pay him any royalties

[@maineiacman]

I am glad the classic Halo music isn't attached to the Paramount Dumpster Fire

[@cosmictreason2242]

The irony is all the scores from CE through 4 are free to use thanks to Marty. Ever noticed how common they are as background tracks, and never any copyright strikes?

[@reinhardt3090]

he's too based.

[@countD8852]

I'm positive that during the run-up to Halo 4 being released, 343 did interviews with games websites and magazines about how they specifically hired people who didn't like the Halo trilogy to make 4. I remember thinking it was an odd move back then, but they framed it as, "we wanted to get an outsider's perspective in order to make a game that better appealed to a wider audience." It just seems like the people in charge of Halo have hated Halo for years now. It would be subversive to let people who respect, or God forbid, *like*, Halo make a new game or show or movie or book or whatever.

[@cdyjv118]

They deliberately tried to make 4 more like COD since it had replaced Halo as the biggest FPS at the time and it completely backfired

[@swillz1416]

Forward onto dawn did halo way better than the tv show. Even the actor who plays cheif never took his helmet off and the voice actor was not the og voice but he did a amazing job as chief.

[@zachrohler1047]

They did amazing for a smaller budget TV show.

[@RezaQin]

Cortana looked great, too. Forward Unto Dawn was great.

[@Blazcowitz1943]

The Battle rifle canonically is a select fire weapon, which means it can be fired in full auto, single shot or burst. Even in the Halo Landfall trailers it is seen firing in full auto, so its not technically incorrect. It being burst fire in game was for gameplay balance.

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

Hates the games, hates the fans, hates good writing etc etc etc.

[@JennaTilwertz]

We finally seemed to reach the age where we could get good video game adaptations but the Halo series is just more proof that old habits die hard

[@zigzag1630]

Nah, this habit is brand new. If it was the old habits this show would've been made for kids. It's not that they don't take Halo seriously, they do, and they hate the series. They hate the idea humanity unifying against a high ideal while not caring much about humanity's own politics. They love progress, no matter its direction, and detest reactionaries, no matter what they're reacting to.

[@stbr68]

We're definitely still in the era of video game adaptations being embarrassed of what they are. They're just more profitable now. The quality is still shit across the board.

[@mrshmuga9]

The only difference is they’re starting to resemble the IP visually, but that’s really it. You don’t even get the luxury of having music from it, it’s hackneyed music from half a century ago.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

Dunno about profitable, Halo tv series isn't making money

[@vorbo01]

​@@marcogenovesi8570Mario movie was very profitable and arcane is really popular, despite being made by Chines subversives

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@vorbo01 That's ONE case vs at least 10 flops. It's the same as saying manga/anime live action adaptations are very profitable just because One Piece tv show was, ignoring the other 5+ failures of other series in the past. The difference with Mario and OnePiece is that the IP owners (Nintendo and Oda respectively) have made a contract that forces the chinese subversives to obey their will.

[@nmr7203]

​@@marcogenovesi8570 None of the streaming shows are making money, that's not their job.

[@deriderex]

Deliver Hope and We Are ODST were short live action videos but had more passion than the entire halo TV series combined. Also the TV show bastardised the Spartan 3s. Absolute trash.

[@ijustworkhere1008]

24:45 this part is always what bothered me about the direction 343 took the narrative in. The human-covenant war lasted a little over 27 years, with every single Bungie game taking place over the course of the final few months of the war. 343 were handed this book with 25 years of history, but only the last 2 pages filled in, took one look at it, and thought "I know! Let's staple several more pages on after the ending! We're so smart!"

[@Helljumper_Fanatic]

I would have been fine with that approach if 343 nailed down Halo 4, since that was an important step to set up future events properly. Other than Halo Wars 1, I am still amazed by the massive missed potential 343 could very easily use but choose to do nothing.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Counterpoint: I'm sick of prequels. The next game should've been playing as the arbiter uniting the elites and overthrowing the covenant. Then a game of marines surviving against flood in Africa before the elites complete their glassing protocol. Then a game of an oni spook, locke, trying to find Halsey and chief after they are lost post halo 3. A spinoff game of the Arbiter who crushed the grunt rebellion. A game where you play as innies doing deals with kigyar before and after the human covenant War, then Finally you move the story forward.

[@DMAN99]

The best summary I heard about Arcane was that it worked because it’s a decent story with fantastic animation and most league players don’t care about the lore in the first place so retcons don’t matter to them.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

Legue's lore has always been in a state of flux and was seen as a meme by most. The game is completely detached from the "lore"

[@DMAN99]

@@marcogenovesi8570 personally, from my casual ass standPoint, my biggest complaint is that they changed Vi from a cute punk tomboy into a butch punk lesbian.

[@zigzag1630]

Oof, that is one hard condemnation of the lore of League of Legends. Why even bother writing so much story if no one cares about it? Halo used to be the king of the bro games, no one seemed to care about anything but the multiplayer. This level of disrespect for the game's storytelling was unwarranted then and its unwarranted now. I'd rather have a lame story that respects its audience over a good story that hates its audience. I 100% understand if you don't have this preference but more good shows will arise from people who love the lore than from people who hate it. Instead of gutting and retconing League of Legends, why not just make an original show?

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@zigzag1630 Because management is risk averse and the only way to get your project greenlit is to attach it to "known brand" because that implies there is a known fanbase and more secure revenue. They don't understand that the people making the shows are too narcisistic to accept making someone else's story, and this is why all such projects have never been accurate to the source, and suffered mostly failure

[@dean_l33]

@@DMAN99 Ah the tomboy. The first and most unfortunate casualties in the era of identity politics

[@ObviousRises]

I think a good way of putting it is that so many companies/writers are wearing IPs like a skin suit to push their own stupid ideas. They don't really understand anything. Nor do they even look at the source material. It's maddening.

[@cosmictreason2242]

It's all intentional. Cultural arxism

[@joshgoulash4889]

Theoretically, E;R was also there

[@hungtotheover3385]

The only thing I remember about Halo is that it was one of the only games where my older brother and I both bonded while playing.

[@Agent789_0]

This seems to be a common trend among these types of shows. Even if one of them does end up as a decent adaptation the people making them clearly look down the games and consider them “lesser” than the shit they’re making.

[@JcgLounge]

The one thing I give credit to the Halo show for is the Spartan Outfits. Those look good. Everything else was done piss poor. I’m so glad movies like Sonic the Hedgehog and the Mario movie exist. Because they are proof that Hollywood doesn’t need to be ashamed of the source material when making video game movies.

[@blueshellincident]

God bless the unsung prop men.

[@mikesherwood3366]

“It’s helldivers’ time now” is a statement that aged like milk.

[@kirby2567]

You can say that sonic started to shift game adaptations, but don't ignore the rest of those movies insisting on being "real world" shenanigans

[@Secret_Takodachi]

IDK a single real Halo fan that watched this show: mainly because IDK a single real Halo fan that expected this show to be anything besides an insult to the source material. The only "Halo fans" that watch this are masochists firsts & Halo fans second.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

First Mortal Kombat, then Halo, and now Fallout. Thank God Arcane, Mario and Sonic avoided this, for the most part.

[@OKMBVideos]

..Fallout hates the source material? I've played all the Fallout games, tell me how it hates the source material?

[@joshgamingvlogs5203]

@@OKMBVideosplay the games with you eyes open this time. The show is a joke and might not hate the source material but definitely has contempt for it

[@lokiswager]

Mario and Sonic just sucked normally, instead of sucking AND hating their source material lol

[@OKMBVideos]

@@joshgamingvlogs5203 That's not answering my question. I specifically asked you to tell me how it hates the source material, and you're just going for surface level insults.

[@DaSteeJ07]

The fallout show is literally the best game adaptation ever made lol what

[@mileator]

26:29 You can achieve that same kind of loaded context with John Halo's cryopod being graffitied with "A weapon, needed." Written on the glass or somewhere on the side. As stated, we were already exploring the dichotomy between Spartans as a weapon to be used and discarded, vs. being a person, human being. Like. John Halo used to be a cyborg. Like a Cy-Borg. Alex Murphy in this bitch, and that was a wonderful foundation of context. Context that enriched the core theme of the series as a whole. Humanity. People. The Marines are people, buck and his team are people, Noble Team were people, Captain Keys 🔑, the Arbiter, and the Sangheili are people. They all expressed themselves in a real empathetic way. They all express their thoughts, concerns, and fears. But then you have the three Unstoppable superheroes. Master Chief Cortana and Sergeant Major. They feel like nuclear bombs rather than people. Contextually sergeant majors death marks the death of Master chief's humanity. Even though Johnson gives him a lesson to hold dear the ones you love, Chief rejects that lesson, Refusing to open up to Cortana immediately after Johnsons death and giving her the cold shoulder just before going into cryosleep. Leaving Cortana with unresolved emotions. Battling with her own existence.

[@CMCAdvanced]

Steven Spielberg got bodysnatched around the same time George Lucas did

[@jonathanyaloussa]

This is where the line must be drawn: the Schlurpophobia ends now.

[@griffinmadison2002]

Halo: Silent Storm by Troy Dennings is fantastic. Set during year one of the Covenant war and it’s a great into to the world. Since it’s year one the characters don’t know what anything is so they naturally talk about these weird split jaw aliens in a way that fits within the story. Check it out if you want to get into the books it’s got (almost) every Spartan II, ODSTs, Johnson and a damn good understanding of military structure.

[@AdIgnem]

Seeing the trailer for Season 2, the only thing I remember about it was that they tried to play the Halo theme- on what seemed to be a kazoo.

[@TrenchMan93]

Halo and 343 are basically trying to overcompensate for who they are by trying to sound deep and epic when they were fine the way they were. Halo was about an ai who is more human than the humanoid soldier who opens up a bit. He was sort of a superhero who relied on every soldier he fought with like early captain america. Sadly now, Halo is a clone of expanse. Its a lifeless husk wearing halos armor. Its stolen gamer valor.

[@DaxSeven09]

They og music is connected to Marty, and they don't want any connection to him.

[@Rolf97]

Oh, so NOW you admit that something adapting another work should try to stay close to the original thing. Funny how you refuse to apply that logic to a certain arachnid man.

[@jouebien]

it's hard to get the female vocal in the chants because that's actually Marty O'Donnell but pitch shifted..... At that point they might as well just get Marty O'Donnell to do the sound track & sound design.

[@Snowfreak357]

I still refuse to watch it and I won’t. Not gonna subject myself to that level of disappointment

[@existentialselkath1264]

At this point I think there are more scenes with plot holes than ones without. Cause and effect goes out the window when the writers just make contrived excuses to reach the next cliche or 'iconic' moment. It gets to the point where you can predict stuff that happens, even if there's no logical reason for something to happen, just because it's the sort of event that would echo better shows. Its not halo, but even with a new IP, it's just not good. The writers basically wanted it to be The Expanse, so skip the middle man and just watch The Expanse instead.

[@viddykhaos2896]

They could have had an interesting human angle to the Halo show - especially considering the covert operations of UNSC, ONI, ODST, etc. which have room to explore how “ordinary” people view the Covenant, the conflict and the relationship to other human colonies. A show about specific characters (Sgt. Johnson, as an example) may also have been interesting. But their human characters include Kwan Ha (there cannot be a single person who wants her in the story as a whole) and Ma-kee (again, why? Human raised in covenant could be interesting but they executed it horribly) This show is vaguely Halo, if only for the occasional aesthetic. It resembles nothing from the source material, as is standard for these games. They use the “alternate timeline” so much that they ought to have made a new IP rather than harm one that is already beaten down by 343i’s incompetence.

[@heikira438]

OMG! Tell E:R to stop talking over people and dominating every conversation. Let the other cast speak for once!

[@jungoder1085]

The fallout show isn’t as bad as halo but it feels like it hates all the non Bethesda stuff with how they portrayed cali and what they did with it

[@OKMBVideos]

I don't know how people can say that when the big hook for Season 2 is a shot of New Vegas, put there explicitly because they know the fandom adores New Vegas. Even what they did to the NCR makes sense from the perspective of a failing nation that lost the Mojave.

[@jungoder1085]

@tacticalcircumvention2889no I don’t mind the ncr getting destroyed by vault tech but it’s the way it’s done I doesn’t really make sense Also the time lines are a tad fucky from what I remember? I’d have to rewatch it though Also I don’t see how the fall of the NCR could start anywhere near a pre new vegas world it’s a bit stupid. If anything it should start around new vegas or after My main issues are the world building and how the factions work or how they were just changed but with big Tod just saying it’s cannon Not including the Mando plot armour which was funny bad at some points and the brotherhood basically sequel stormtroopers but some have armour that works(apart from when it doesn’t) Bethesda fallout and this show seem incapable of portraying a world with post war governments There is absolutely no way 1 nuke in the capital would send the world set up by fallout 1,2 or vegas into what we get in the show which is basically fallout 3/4 style world The Ncr had functioning and sec sufficient towns that were doing their own thing pre ncr with farmers and ranchers everywhere or places that set up their own states before being absorbed If anything I’d just dissolve the Ncr into smaller factions Macedonian empire style rather than having it just turn into fallout 3 Shady sands wasn’t the only place in the Ncr making things and farming

[@jungoder1085]

@@OKMBVideosno it doesn’t most of the ncr territory would just break up into smaller states but instead it’s like the Great War just happened and all the farm land and ranchers across the entirety of cali disappeared along with all of the other big fuck off cities that were self sufficient before being absorbed by them

[@OKMBVideos]

@jungoder1085 as far as I'm aware, we never go past the Boneyard in this show. I could be wrong, as they never show a map, but this show only shows a very, very small part of the total land the NCR controls or controlled.

[@ShakerSilver]

Love how Mr. House was there for the plan to drop the bombs but was somehow surprised at when the bombs dropped to get his plan foiled. Great consistency.

[@MakaRonMcPasta]

So wait.... does the source material matter or not? EFAP was all about "adaptation is it's own thing" when it comes to Spider-Man but here, it's the opposite. Seems to be like a bit of the "it doesn't matter as long as I like it" philosophy.

[@morganseppy5180]

100% they have shown how they have favorites, just like everyone else. For all their attempts at objectivity, the game adaptions for film or tv, and even their game reviews, are so nitpicky. As well as this 180° on comparing to the source--which was maintained for LOTR. I think they would justify it with "we didn't grow up with books and comics, but we grew up with video games." It's obvious that they are gatekeeping video game bc is media they care about.

[@jackmesrel4933]

Thing is, Spiderman has like 10 different canons (slight exaggeration, but still), so as long as it retains the character's personality and the villains stay well written, it hardly matters. For example, the MCU from almost the beginning changed elements of the lore and characters to fit a smaller cast of avaibable characters and other stuff (example, Civil War, it retains the general idea but it's a waaaay smaller conflict). Halo, on the other hand, only has 1 canon, so it has no excuse, specially with the shit they're feeding us to replace it. So yeah, different things get different standards

[@marcogenovesi8570]

It matters if the adaptation is markedly worse

[@largecaninestatus]

i would hope that the stance is that the adaptation is judged on its own merits. if it is good then it is good regardless of faithfulness, and that if it is bad, the original exists only as a comparison point for how it could have been done better

[@arctiwolf857]

Kinda feels like you're not evening trying to engage with their thought process if that's all you boiled it down to.

[@sigy4ever]

I wish we got a tv show about a young dude signing up to fight insurrectionists and then getting dropped into the human-covenant war after a few episodes so we get the whole rest of the season just him and his buddies getting chewed up and spat out with defeat after defeat, second season he can be the grizzled vet keeping the squad alive as the UNSC starts trying to fight harder on the ground but they still end up retreating from planets in the nick of time b4 the space battle is doomed etc etc, would be cool.

[@CobraTheRed0]

thanks for being one of the few youtubers who keep it real. I'm so sick and tired of these youtubers defending every little stupid decision that 343 makes Act man, Hidden Xperia, and etc. They always give them a chance when i personally can't anymore . If i had the following they had i would tell people not to buy anymore of 343's garbage. It's actually criminal and what 343 does is the definition of gaslighting a fanbase. They always tell it was always this way or that way. The youtubers tell us to either wait for the game to be how you want it or not buy the game. How about 343 makes an actual reboot that takes place after halo 3 and they actually do the research on the old Bungie lore. Or just like with what happened with marathon just give bungie back the rights to halo. I'm at the point where i think literally anyone else could and would do a better job than 343 i have 0 faith they can come through and make a good sequel without worrying more about money. Literally anyone else could make a better sequel. Even fans can and have shown they can make a better game. Branching sickness is a horror game, chrion maze is a mod for halo 1 which is horror, Ringworld alpha, and etc. all fan made games all look good all of them actually look like passion was there. When you love your fans and your own creation and your happy with it anything can happen that's why narratively in all of bungies games they give you absolute power and let you project your personality on all of their silent protagonists. It's literally bungie saying our fans are the chosen ones and we love them for playing and enjoying our game. Just to also give some context 343 was literally made of people who "hated halo". They were literally hired for that purpose. Then you look at the fallout tv show a show made for the fans. Crazy idea to just make a show about your game. Instead of giving actors and actresses roles because nobody has has ever heard of them how about you give good talented actors that love and respect the source material idk LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO VOICE ACT IN THEIR GAMES LIKE IDK THE WHOLE CAST OF THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY. They just need to reboot everything back to after halo 3 if they did that then they would actually make money. 343 and a lot of other companies don't understand the paradox they are all in. They are so worried about making money that they make less money because they put in all the "modern" amenities like battle passes and item shops. When halo never should have micro transactions. Because halo doesn't need them to succeed the game just needs to be halo. No aiming classic legacy controls, small maps for slayer, big maps for btb, plenty of cover for both styles of play and both sides of the map need to be identical. verticality, and etc. i'm 20 years old and i know how to make a halo game why can't 343 that's how you know they need to be replaced

[@Bluescilla]

The only thing I remember about Halo was he didn’t take his helmet off lol

[@AldrickExGladius]

"The Halo Show Hates the Games" What a coincidence, Halo gamers hate the Halo show. Let's see which last longer, a failing Halo show or the dying spirit of the gamer!

[@pitadude9836]

Hear me out: You make seven core HALO games, the main story transitions from Chief and Humanity's fight against the covenant to Chief and Arbiter working to destroy the rings because mass extinction isn't the answer, ultimately shifting the story to one of survival against the Flood and Forerunner, both of which seek the destruction of organic life through different means. During all this you have the "regional conflict" games of Reach, ODST, possibly even a Covenant only game dealing with the Elites apparent fall from grace and their struggle to regain a position of significance in the covenant and convince them to turn away from worship of the Rings.

[@RyuNoZero]

Saints Row was an Xbox Exclusive when in was Good

[@RM_VFX]

Producers: Hey, creating new stuff is hard and expensive, let's just adapt a popular IP. Writers: Cool. I gotta get royalties though, can I just use the name and make up a bunch of new stuff? Music Director: Me too, need to get those residuals. Pablo Rings: Me three. Let's just forget the helmet plz. DEI Ofiicer: Don't forget we need to shoehorn a diverse woman in a cloying foreground role... Fans: Geeks and gamers hate this so. The awful world of Johnny Halo.

[@erick4845jr]

I think every true halo fan still left should hold a funeral for halo. To really send the message. A community wide event all paying respects to the old guard of Bungie and the monument of success that they left on the gaming industry.

[@mariokarter13]

Unpopular opinion, but most video game adaptations are bad because most video game stories are bad. When Sony makes a game that's basically already a 20 hour long movie, it's not improved by chopping it down to 2.

[@Se7enBeatleofDoom]

Gears of War fans are getting worse than Halo fans. Gears 4 and 5 were both back-to-back The Last Jedi of Gears of War.

[@src6339]

Well the "Halo" TV show should be defunded, and those resources be reallocated to making a Halo TV show. 🤔

[@harbl99]

Blair "I liek teh bongos ana snake charmer horn" McDreary was always over-rated. Of course he pigf- ...romanced the Halo soundtrack.

[@chrissullivan6403]

So where does the automatic rifle thing (just as an example) fall on the the bad adaptation debate?

[@Fourger14]

Rags, battle rifles have full auto, burst, and single shot modes in the lore of the books. There are so many things wrong with this show, but that isn't one of them.

[@DiegoHernandez-ts8by]

What was the firefight music he mentioned

[@cybergames3436]

Halo needs to become what mainline metroid games are, long breaks between mainline releases that further refine, twist and improve what previous titles had. Meanwhile experimental games coming out that further deviate and find something that hits.

[@Gioven740]

Hi Wolf!

[@KEN117MC]

To say theres not much interest in bringing it back is pure nonsense and outright misjudgement of the fanbase with how adamant and uproarious they were with the halo tv series and halo inf inite, it shows just how passionate and angry we all are. We don't want Halo to die, we don't want it to fade away. We dono't want to abandon it and just remember the good times. We want mroe halo and we want it done well. It's a complete oversimplification and underestimation of the Halo fans.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

5:25 Rags describes Fallout

[@wojak-sensei6424]

I need that Fallout TV show breakdown, boys. The amount of undeserved praise this show is getting from the usual suspects (and a few that aren't) is getting too bad to ignore. I need to vent my frustrations of this mid-at-best show. Who knows, maybe MauLer, Rags, of Fringy won't be as negative with the show as me, but I just need that space. It's insulting how much flaws it has and yet it still gets positive reviews across the board.

[@morganseppy5180]

Probably not. Both Mauler and Fringy only watched the first episode bc they don't like it.

[@80krauser]

You didn’t hear Mauler on Drinkers show yesterday did you? The burning shall be glorious

[@morganseppy5180]

@@80krauser i only caught bits and pieces, but I thought Mauler said he only watched the first episode, twice, bc it was so bad.

[@harbl99]

@@morganseppy5180 The Longmun updated his fellow bar-goers that he has now watched the entire thing and has many, many thoughts on it.

[@80krauser]

@@morganseppy5180 No he finished the season as did Az and Gary. The latter two were at first cautiously optimistic. They all hate it having finished it

[@Armin1983]

Sounds like it got the full WoT treatment.

[@RebelNutts-gg1xf]

Most people forget the first game combat evolved takes place practically as the wars almost over humanity has lost every colony and we are on the edge of extinction.

[@thomasg2488]

The difference between Fallout and Halo is easy enough. I can believe what happened in Fallout, is actually part of the lore, even if the lore has been fucked / retconned since Bethesda bought it. But it’s good enough to go “yeah, that’s Fallout. Weirdness and gore everywhere.” The Fallout show isn’t perfect but, I found it entertaining which was shocking

[@Jose_Doe]

Damn shit standards if that show was entertaining

[@denkerbosu3551]

The only way to enjoy modern Fallout is to enjoy the aesthetic only, so no wonder you're ok with a skin walker of a show.

[@thomasg2488]

@@denkerbosu3551 oh fuck off. I don't have time anymore to worry about dissecting every problem wrong with it and there are some. The Fallout lore has been fucked since Bethesda bought it. Would I prefer Fallout 1, 2 and NV be the standard? Yes. Is it going to happen? No. It was entertaining enough despite the flaws of it, which is more than I can say for Halo.

[@thomasg2488]

@@Jose_Doe and I'm sure I can find something you found entertaining that I find boring

[@senoka4638]

It's sad some people think that the fallout show did fallout better than the halo show did halo. Both are absolute garbage. If you only like Bethesda Fallout, the horribly written games, then maybe the show is okay for you. But you have terrible standards anyway so enjoy your hot garbage I suppose.

[@jackmesrel4933]

I mean, yeah, if you're a Fallout 4 fan, then the quality of the writting is more or less the same XDDD

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@jackmesrel4933 a settlement needs your attention, general

[@darthsonic4135]

Surprised Fringy didn’t like the first episode of Fallout. Don’t get me wrong, there’s plenty of wacky, dumb shit in that series (like how they absolutely massacred my boy House), but the first episode seemed pretty solid.

[@tylercoulombe4728]

The Fallout show loves the Games, Cancel Halo, reboot it to follow the lore and games.

[@samael4550]

Yes, get on Patrician more for anything gaming related! I obviously don’t always agree with his takes, but he makes a lot of very insightful points in autistic levels of detail. Perfect type of personality for EFAP lol

[@DanielGonzzz]

Everyone can blame Kiki Wolfkill & her entire team. She is TRASHHHH

[@joshgamingvlogs5203]

27 minutes ago is crazy

[@KenPACHIZARAKI.4]

Halo red vs blue was way better then the show how is that even possible 😂red vs blue was my show growing up I loved halo. My favorite game of all time but 343 ruined it so bad my kids will never understand how truly great halo 3 and reach were and odst halo 2 was amazing as well

[@dean_l33]

Oh man the fallout show is just as bad with the lore breaking but due its acceptable acting or some voodoos magic it gets a big pass by the normie

[@davidcopperfield5345]

The Fallout show is decent. Pros Great fan service. Great aesthetic. Proper implementation of the world. Interesting flashbacks. Cons Mediocre story. Not great characters. (Aside from Cooper and Lucy's brother, and Thaddeus.) Lucy is disappointing, Maximus sucks(until Episode 5, when he becomes more interesting and more competent.) Dialogue is inconsistent in quality (Sometimes good, sometimes not.) The world doesn't feel as dangerous as you'd expect. Radiation is basically just a plot device. It rarely plays a role in the world. (Likely because the radiation has gone down quite a bit) Raiders are almost non-existent on the surface. The ending also isn't great. I think the hype is keeping the show above water for now. Mostly because it's not a bad show. But, over time the flaws will become clearer. It's decent. Not great.

[@Dave_L913]

Calling the HALO novels good is quite a stretch. Good for a YA audience that has ADHD maybe.

[@oberonvortigern4138]

Eric Nylund books were a good read, the modern books is mostly mediocre to bad.

[@mbt808]

@@oberonvortigern4138first strike is great and serves as excellent connective tissue between halo CE and 2. If the show had faithfully followed fall of reach in season 1 and first strike in season 2, it probably would’ve been great. But now that ain’t gonna happen.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

The ones done during the OG Halo were good, after 343 took over, not that much

[@mbt808]

@@marcogenovesi8570 oh yeah, kilo five trilogy aka Karen Traviss hates Halsey to the point of an unhealthy obsession trilogy. Total garbage, though I’m sure she’d get along great with the halo tv show writers. Generally most of them are bad with the rare exception such as envoy and silent storm(it was good but not great though, definitely could’ve been better).

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@mbt808 The usual suspects Kiki Wolfkill and Bonnie Ross (i.e. the two big shots in 343) are executive producers, and 343 in general is involved in this show too.

[@damienfritz5626]

13:20 Not when NieR exists.

[@kellinwinslow1988]

I've played all the Halo games except for Infinity which I have zero interest in,and I'm sorry. The games are fine but they were never amazing . I was 32 back when Halo came out and the games were fun but sorry,they never stood out to me. I never liked Bungies gameplay and the gameplay at least was the best in Halo 5. It was smooth and played well. The old clunky gameplay of the original games never hooked me. Frankly I was more impressed with the first 3 Gears of War games than I ever was with Halo. And I'd still rather play Doom than Halo. The music is good but the best? Not even close. Shenmue,some of the Final Fantasy games,Xenosaga 1,Panzer Dragoon Saga,a lot of Motion Sakuraba's music, Onimusha and some of the Dragon Quest games all have better music. But Halo is pretty dead now so it really doesn't matter. But Gears is dead after the terrible 5th game so both these franchises are probably past their time.

[@cosmictreason2242]

"Halo bad because I'm weeb" Ok 🤡

[@TheFly212]

lol, 99 percent of video games don't warrant a move, let alone a tv series. HALO would work for a movie, but not for a series. Master Chief has little to no personality lol. He's not Wang from Shadow Warrior or even Duke Nukem lol. He's literally just a cyborg. That's what bungie said he was during HALO CE and HALO 2 era, it was only in HALO 3 onwards that the "Spartan Program" was a human super solider program. In CE he is literally called a cyborg in the official game guide from Prima, and Joseph Staten (lead writer of HALO CE and 2) said he was a cyborg lol. This is stuff from the early 2000s, so if you weren't around and a real CE fan back in the real glory days of Xbox and HALO you might not know about this. Because now, Bungie, 343, Moneysoft pretend that Master Chief was always a human and the "Spartan Program" was always intended or around from the start, when it wasn't. It simply wasn't. He was a cyborg during the real prime days of HALO. It was only in Fall of Reach novels and First strike that the you learned Master Chief wasn't just a cyborg but actually a human, super human, but human. But in the games you didn't learn this until HALO 3 lol. You had to have read the books or talked to someone who read them tell you he's a human not a cyborg. Cause in HALO CE and HALO 2 he's just an unstoppable Alien killing machine. That's all. So again, the OG halo, the real Halo. Chief is just a killing machine. A cyborg that fucks up the covenant and prevents the firing off the ring. HALO CE and even 2, are incredibly simple plots. Does that warrant a tv series.... I don't think so. A movie, maybe. But a fucking tv show with dozens and dozens of episdoes..... Naw.

[@funnyratenjoyer2890]

You're absolutely right about Master Chief being a poor choice for protagonist. Should have been about Sergeant Johnson and normal marines. Chief works better as a self insert for the player than anything else. However fan reactions in the past have probably made that seem like a bad idea, or they simply want the iconic character despite it being the worst choice. Also it isn't really debatable if Master Chief was human. Cyborg means augmented human, he could have been so augmented that he lost his humanity however. Definitely wasn't just a robot he gets mistaken as a Forerunner and the taking off the helmet in the longsword doesn't make sense if he was just a robot.

[@mrshmuga9]

I don’t know much about Halo, but the easiest workaround I would think, would be do something like ODST where it’s a band of random fighters, and MC and Cortana show up once in a while as background characters. Because MC is basically a silent protagonist, which lends well great for a game, but terrible for a show because there’s nothing to connect with. In a game, you don’t necessarily have to “connect” with a character, because you can always default back to your actions represent you. But that requires some thought and not just keyjangling, which they were never going to avoid. That’s all these “adaptations” have, and unfortunately, some people eat it up.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

FYI "cyborg" just means biological organism with cybernetic enhancements, it does not imply a personality or lack of it. As long as the brain is not tampered with, it wouldn't change the existing personality. In the case of MC, there is no such bs like the "emotional regulator" that is in the show, he is just an elite trained soldier with cybernetic enhancements. Similar to say a Warhammer 40k Space Marine.

[@Alex_Fahey]

As others have said, a cyborg is not a robot; it's a human with enhancements by implants whether brain or limb - often specifically referring to heavy visible augmentation. However, literal every human character is a cyborg to greater or lesser degrees in the UNSC. The apparently baseline human characters like Keyes qualify as cyborgs due to the implanted CNI transponder that allows them to connect to UNSC tech and augment their mental abilities. This even applies to the basic marines with the chips in the back of their skulls mainly serving for basic FOF identification. This has been the case since the very first game and the book before that and was never retconned out. The Fall of Reach book explicitly outlines how the Spartans and other sailors are cyborgs and they are all still entirely human personality-wise beyond John-117 possibly losing the ability/desire to "keep it up" due to a side-effect of one of the surgeries.