Creator of Arcane has a Reddit Meltdown Trying to Excuse Disastrous Second Season | EFAP Highlight

[@crimsonknight4873]

Christian Lake is the textbook example of somebody who heard the praise of season 1 and thought "I am genuinely a genius, this is MY accomplishment, my show, my achievement, how DARE you to not praise me for season 2" This guy single handedly convinced me to not watch anything he is attached to

[@Stei_n]

Arcane Season 2 and the overall response from the writers genuinely makes me think Arcane Season 1 was lightning in a bottle. What the fuck happened?

[@Gannoh]

Something must've shifted when those few staff writers for S1 left, The Boys had a similar shift between S1 and S2 when George Mastras of Breaking Bad and Anne Saunders of Battlestar Galactica were gone. Probably just less people keeping in check shitty ideas or expanding on good ones.

[@Itisoverthere-rw]

@@Gannoh Need I remind you that the Boys was fucked since the season 1 ending? The show went downhill in season 2 bu the last scenes of season 1 completely fucked the story.

[@nothingwrong2293]

​@@Itisoverthere-rwhaven't heard this one. What was fucked?

[@Drago5899]

If rumors are to be believed, the studio hired a TEAM of writers for season one. My best guess is that those writers understood story telling, but, since season one coast so much money, when season two came around they only retained the "lead writers" who, if you recall, admitted they wrote season 2 first. So the lead writers are clearly Fan-fic DEI hires who were there for reasons other than their skills. I'm an author myself, and even on my worst days I wouldn't create something this incoherent, narcissistic, or self indulgent. It's insulting.

[@TheHeartThatRunsCold]

​@FrostyMts That doesn't make sense, though, given that Arcane is meant to be a marketing arm for the League of Legends brand from a financial standpoint.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

It gets worse. In a new interview, another writer, Amanda Overton, admitted she got that multiverse plot from a Marvel movie. That's why the ending is like that: they *literally got inspired by Endgame.* Four years of work. Four. Years.

[@cristiancandru8610]

@@blacktigerpaw1 makes perfect sense. In 2020, when they wrote season 2, they hadn't released season 1 yet, so they didn't know what they had. So back then endgame was the hottest shit in town, so they decided to copy it. I'm so disappointed. I would like to know who wrote the main plot for season 1, because it's clearly not Christian Linke and not Amanda Overton, they are incapable of that...

[@Kantorek17]

​@@cristiancandru8610 Most likely it's the guy who wrote plot for the Toy Story 2 and left Arcane (or was cut off) after Season 1

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@Kantorek17 Ash Brannon definitely was one of the ones who cleaned up the plot. He had the experience.

[@gk479l]

@@Kantorek17also Monica Macer, who did ‘lost’, mentored them with character development in season 1

[@WoodSageSeaSalt]

Can you tell me the title of the new interview video? I can't seems to find that interview

[@SnagTheRabbit]

"We have made you feel more than you have ever felt watching animated characters." Chill dude, you ain't Miyuzaki.

[@14megasxlr]

People who cannot accept that they've made mistakes are incredibly tiring.

[@expandapantsii341]

I wouldn’t be mad about the disappointing second season, if they treated the criticism with respect, but with how the creator is acting in this video it’s leaving a bad taste in my mouth

[@thecaboosevarietychannel]

“THIS SHOW ISNT STUPID! YOU’RE STUPID!!!” -Christian Linke

[@nopmund]

Works every time lol

[@LeylaSKDR]

the french president said something along those lines lately about his politic lol

[@heropath34.vaselisc.35]

What's up with supposed "professionals" they are immaturish lmao

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@heropath34.vaselisc.35 You ever see Megamind? Almost 100% of nerds who achieve commercial success turn into Jonah Hill's character.

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@heropath34.vaselisc.35 Every Hollywood House Nerd is the antagonist from Megamind.

[@MinusX01]

Vi basically says to Caitlyn in the final act "HOW COULD YOU ARREST MY TERRORIST SISTER WHO KILLED DOZENS OF PEOPLE INCLUDING YOUR OWN MOTHER!" and the writer's try to paint it like Caitlyn did something wrong, I dunno how we went from season 1 to this garbage

[@ephraimwinslow]

The only actual writer left is a current-year female, and the two guys supervising her are sackless shippers with no sense for storytelling. Mystery solved.

[@benboothroyd1523]

In theory that could work if it's clear that Vi is in a bad emotional state and is being illogical for a reason (and the show makes it clear that she is in the wrong - because she is). But the way the writing is, it's like the writers think Vi is justified in saying shit like this, justifying Jinx Bin-Laden's actions. Also like how we're supposed to believe Caitlin forgave Jinx despite wanting to hunt her down and kill her in Act 1-2, by letting her escape in Act 3. The writers are actually terrible, who tf hired these people?

[@ephraimwinslow]

There's one modern woman left doing the actual writing, supervised by two shoulderless breadsticks. Mystery solved.

[@ElGreco15]

☕

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@ElGreco15 When you're so ADHD that using more than 1 character feels like work? Try responding with a single emoji. It will inform everyone to expect as little as possible from you (and that you're a zoomer at the very oldest).

[@andrewponder3855]

"Has any TV series ever stuck the landing with this many main characters, time travel, supernatural abilities, technological inventions, fantasy world stakes, high concepts, complex relationships and global expectations?" I'm pretty sure Justice League and Justice League Unlimited had all that.

[@ephraimwinslow]

Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency & DARK are two examples from Netflix alone.

[@thegreatTBA]

DCAU is just that peak, but the show was free to do anything in the story like summoning world problems out of thin air, arcane may have unexplained magic stuff but it had rules and stories to follow, almost every character is a main character and all of them have arcs,arcane almost got fucked due to the time limit, i adore both greatly, but im gonna say first season of JL had character progression issues to me, and the last two episodes of arcane are massively rushed.

[@WickedHumor]

@@ephraimwinslow Dark is an amazing show.

[@CanwegetSubscriberswithn-cu2it]

AoT

[@AsrielCypher]

Arcane Season 1 stuck the landing with most of that kek.

[@Norescues]

Can nobody in the creative spotlight just take their L anymore?

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

Nope

[@NoahSprague]

What? That would assume I am flawed! Which I am not I was the genius that created the best show ever thus I am now God! Me: dude it's a fictional show also didn't you work on the esthetics 😅

[@ephraimwinslow]

Can? Sure. WILL? Not a chance.

[@justinrodriguez5957]

With the advent of social media? For most that'd be a nope.

[@weareharbinger914]

No, they deliberately hire people like this.

[@jimberjamber8540]

Hey remember when Tony Gilroy decided to use his time off from Covid to re-draft Andor? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[@wilder11]

In fairness...I'm not sure any amount of redrafting could save Season 2, given that they were told this was the last season. It was always gonna be crammed and rushed. Though I would settle for no Grogu, Jinx actually being Jinx, no lesbian sex scene in a jail cell, etc. It'd be a better disappointment. XD

[@Necrow_Productions]

Yep, Andor is my last hope for season 2s

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@Necrow_Productions Hope is irrational.

[@hirudinaria]

No. There is another ​@@Necrow_Productions

[@bushturkey798]

And you are worthless, now to doomer elsewhere

[@SpardasTechReviews]

Creator: I agree the show was rushed He then goes to fume about people saying ships are underdeveloped. ... Huh?

[@sognurT]

Was probably more invested in the ships than the actual story

[@TheHeartThatRunsCold]

​@@sognurTConsidering the pace leaving no room to breathe and then stopping to have their shipping time. Yes, you're probably right.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Not the ship, the character arcs. He admitted he could've ended Jayce and Viktor's story differently and what we got was the cosmic plane soul obliteration ending.

[@nont18411]

What are underdeveloped ships?

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@nont18411 Ships that only gave gooners < 3~ minutes of material to edit into HMVs.

[@TOONYBOY]

"Season 1 ends with people talking in a room, Season 2 ends with them fighting God...and they win!" If that's not some Stellaris-tier shit...

[@eyjay1508]

When you fight god in stellaris there actually are casualties and by the time he arrives the empires have had at least 500 years minimum to prepare.

[@radudancoroian5169]

I was thinking is more alike a MCU plot

[@TOONYBOY]

@@eyjay1508 Depending on when you've set the End Game Start date. I've usually got it set to the earliest, so I've had the 25x Crisis spawn as early as 60 years from game start

[@edgybravo4287]

They for real went from a civil war conflict in ep6 to Jayce beating God with the power of friendship in ep9. I've had people legit tell me I'm too dumb that's why I cannot understand Viktor really misses his friend that's why the plot works 🤣🤣🤣 Imagine someone who can travel through time and the infinite multiverse "misses their friend". As if he couldn't just time travel or go to any possible reality to see his buddy whenever he wants... Insane levels of trash writing.

[@jvmango3057]

fr and it's not like league doesn't have that type of fight in the lore it's just so out of place to hear like the show isn't about that but here we are

[@mmus13898]

Christian Linke melting down on Reddit that people are making fun of his shit writing is a very on brand thing for him to do tbh

[@Connorthecatsdad]

"(Name), my sweet..." Let this become an EFAP meme, please

[@matthewcollins4773]

Connorthecatsdad, my sweet... it is already done.

[@atomicdancer]

- "Obi-wan never told you what happened to your father..." - "He told me enough, honey... He told me YOU killed him!" - "No, Luke, my sweet. I AM YOUR FATHER." - "That's not true, babe. That's impossible!!"

[@hope-cat4894]

@Connorthecatsdad, my sweet, it would be the only thing that brings me joy.

[@-JaggedGrace-]

Only problem is it's kinda toxic to people who don't get the reference

[@DrNiradino]

Wait, so Rito got incredibly successful animated series on their hands, and they CUT that team? Truly, that's a move that only people with 200 years of combined LoL experience could've pull off.

[@blankblank2370]

Rito is feeding rn

[@DrNiradino]

@@blankblank2370 When everyone else is playing chess, Rito is playing Yasuo and trying to get that 0/10/0 power spike.

[@ephraimwinslow]

It blows my mind that DOTA produced the better long format story. They never even *tried* to make DOTA lore coherent before Studio Mir took the gig, and yet? Better end result.

[@dracvich]

​@@ephraimwinslow >Valve does nothing >Somehow still comes out the winner They can't keep getting away with it

[@WickedHumor]

@@DrNiradino they nerfed the wrong champions. Classic RIOT.

[@sognurT]

Is there anything as undoing as an ego?

[@dean_l33]

Hubris? But that kinda the same thing

[@sognurT]

Hubris and ego. Two sides of the tism. -Viktor

[@ghoulsome9483]

probably when someone oinks poison in your ear

[@criticalcommenter]

Yes, literally hundreds of things

[@mrdropkicker1]

@@sognurT In Noxis, ego is a three-sided triangle… smugness, arrogance, defensiveness, condescension, lack of accountability, and main character syndrome… but I’ve discovered a fourth point of the triangle… internet access!

[@charlestonjew7587]

For most of Season 2's faults, I at least took solace in the fact that Season 1 remained untouched. Nothing that happened in Season 2 hurt anything that happened in Season 1 until 'Blisters and Bedrock'. The flashback recontextualizes Vander and Silco's relationship and, by extension, Vi and Powder in their actions in Act 1 of season 1. In season 1, we're are given no indication whatsoever that Vander knew Vi and Powder's mother, at least not so close as to be the one who actually named Vi. I cannot believe Silco would've behaved as he did knowing who Vi and Powder were and their mother. This revelation irks me to no end.

[@edgybravo4287]

Yeah, Vander and Silco being so close with the girls' parents is just bad writing tbh. There is no foreshadowing of it in any way from s1. It has to have been an afterthought and not part of their original scripts because it just really comes out of nowhere. If we are to believe Silco is that close with their mother there's no way he would have tried to kill the girls. Considering they are just kids and of someone he is close with whose done literally nothing bad to him. Also, he would have done basically whatever it took to get them away from Vander especially after Vander tried to kill him and knowing how dangerous Vander is... In episode 3 of s1 we see Silco finally show up and meet Vander and Benzo for the first time since their "fight" those guys did not look like they were "sorry" for what happened to Silco. They looked like they were pretty dead set on him being the bad guy and a piece of shit. Absolute just garbage tier writing I can't believe how many people like this kind of doodoo...

[@mishan3168]

Honestly quality of seasons so different so for me it's not that hard to ignore s2 completely. It's different show with same faces

[@panonymousbloom5405]

Imo, Viktor being the one to save Jayce also messes with season 1. I don't even know why it bothers me so much but something about it just pisses me off. It lessens the agency of Jayce and shrinks the world, maybe? I don't know but it bothers me lol.

[@charlestonjew7587]

@@panonymousbloom5405 It also seems like a very convoluted way to go about stopping himself.

[@AdeptusMumbles]

"Katie, my sweet..." Okay, I'm out.

[@ephraimwinslow]

That's the dude who pocketed a lock of his high school crush's hair one loose strand at a time and told himself it wasn't creepy.

[@AdeptusMumbles]

@@ephraimwinslow Totally.

[@theirDevil]

We should always start tweets to Christian Linke with "Christian, my sweet" as an homage to that tone deaf response.

[@AdeptusMumbles]

@theirDevil Chef's kiss of trolling.

[@DaKdawg]

My sides...in orbit...

[@RangerRobin0404]

Time to welcome ARCANE of all things to the "Thought they were too big/beloved to fail" club. The "Lightning in a bottle" club.

[@elderadult8544]

21:55 I'm pretty sure Fullmetal alchemist Brotherhood does all of that (except time travel) and sticks the landing perfectly

[@jmvt3]

The finale wasn't perfect. It was incredible considering how much it had to tie together, but there was some flaws.

[@elderadult8544]

@jmvt3 I've never really heard of flaws from the finale I'm sure there is because nothing's perfect. My guess is it's got to do with father lol

[@lmahu6627]

Well, that show had a complete manga (which was written by one person) to work with, and they took 64 episodes to adapt it.

[@elderadult8544]

@@lmahu6627 they just asked for another show that did all those things and was good. Fmab is an example. Also they had 4 years to make 9 episodes

[@katokianimation]

As disapointed the fans were even the final chapter of Attack on titan did a better job at keeping its infinite timeline shift together the story that had been started at season one got resolved, even if isn't liked by everybody and i didn't feel the characters were off.

[@SETHthegodofchaos]

Well, of course, they defend the bad story vividly. Their main messages ended up being that dying is okay to resolve past peopele/character's mistakes. So, of course, better not have made mistakes ever. I sometimes wonder if these modern writers are all depressed. They seem to be in love with characters losing the will to live.

[@blacksheep9505]

Season 1 was one of the only shows I’ve ever watched twice. Season 2 is one of those shows gave up on halfway.

[@Itisoverthere-rw]

"Online critics told me what to think and I am a loyal drone" Congratulations buddy.

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@Itisoverthere-rw Your new puppet made of straw sucks, Mr Dunham. Go back to the bearded skeleton.

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@Itisoverthere-rw '[...] Not like us consoomers. We take our cues from Chinese corporations and their advertising affiliates.' -You, just now.

[@connormcclenny9681]

S1 sucked

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@connormcclenny9681 By all means: name your favourite season of your favourite series so we can dismissively Schitt on it in unison with zero qualifying statements (just like you).

[@sherkecringemonger9872]

It's doesn't matter how it ends The whole season was made up only to sell skins for 250$

[@WickedHumor]

@@sherkecringemonger9872 it is really annoying knowing they will cash out on like 3 different skins for each champion they introduce. I know its a business, but man it feels cheap.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

19:55 I love it when they need to point out that people worked on this. Oh thank you so much for this human created show, as opposed to the usual shows we get from monkeys with typewriters.

[@ephraimwinslow]

A lifetime of experiences where the only things you're actually expected to do are: show up, and clock out on time produces people who believe that showing up automatically merits accolades and applause.

[@Lemon_Inspector]

unlike most animated shows, which are actually done by Koreans

[@silverscorpio24]

Too bad we sometimes can't tell the difference

[@mhc706]

its crazy to hear that the animation workers WANTED to do more and were told no. insane

[@WickedHumor]

How dare you deny Fortiche their creative freedoms. Animation of the show is the best part, bar none.

[@Devilfish6666]

Whoever Christian Linke is, I know now he absolutely sucks at writing as well as basic respectful communication and professionalism. Telling ppl that consume smth how it MADE THEM FEEL despite them claiming otherwise has historically always worked out well...

[@43beesinatrenchcoat75]

So basically the writing team got shrunk to 3 people and two of the 3 people remaining weren’t even responsible for the bulk of the writing in season 1. They were just limited supervisors. Damn 11:30

[@davemustang8173]

Could you imagine if hood writers like John Carpenter had these modern writers mentality's of just crying everytime your project gets criticized?

[@Marines_Memelevolent]

To be fair he got a bit salty about the Thing, but appropriately so as far as I know. He didn’t have a damn meltdown, just didn’t like talking about it.

[@ocpofficialrep7026]

]v[EGADET]-[

[@tanner201x8]

John Carpenter FROM DA HOOD!

[@ramjet94]

You mean the exact thing John Carpenter does every time one of his movies fails because hes had a FUCKLOAD of failures alongside his good ones because hes not an infallible writer. and im not besmirching him for complaining when something he worked hard on flop. to this day he is salty about how bad the thing flopped. his reaction to hearing about the positive legacy of the film decades after its release was "Yeah, well what good does that do me now?" You could not have chosen a worse example for your anecdote xD.

[@bushturkey798]

The difference being, the thing is good, and continues to be so.

[@DUKEzors]

"CO*** happened" is code for Riot laid off or didn't fund the show because they made all the same mistakes other tech companies made in that timeframe. With all their layoffs and project shutdowns, they have gone from a publishing/entertainment powerhouse back to a single game studio.

[@Zero_2500]

“From the Reddit forums he came and to their rancid underground he shall return, once again” - Bilbimer Dingeraggins

[@Wyzai]

12:36 You'd think this is the opposite of what you'd do. "Our random show has achieved massive success and is a smash hit. How should we react? Should we put more resources into it?" "No. Cut their resources in half."

[@rustyslug2943]

My favourite character died four times from Arcane season 2, and he still got off better than Heimerdinger. To my memory, this clip does not have the comments about original Viktor not being suitable for a modern audience, too tropey, and problematic. This is what makes my blood boil the most.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Agreed. Not only that, his new bio ERASES HIM from his own story entirely. He suffers the humiliation of having all of his work forgotten.

[@rustyslug2943]

@@blacktigerpaw1 that's the fourth time Viktor died. He dies in the beginning, middle, and end of season 2, and then they manage to kill him afterwards as well.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

​@@rustyslug2943but hey, least his soul got merged with Jayce's...I guess?

[@crimsonpotemkin]

"Has any TV series ever successfully stuck the landing with this many characters, time travel, supernatural abilities, technological inventions, fantasy world stakes, high concepts, complex relationships and global expectations?" I know the gang doesn't have a favourable view of anime, but I unironically could name a bunch that have done exactly that. And lets be frank, his usage of terms like "time travel", "technological inventions", "high concepts" and etc is incredibly loose. Those things are present merely by technicality, they weren't done right at all.

[@Wyzai]

Also something to consider: Maybe don't set yourself up for failure...? "Nobody's done this successfully. I'm gonna do it!" You'd need to be better, luckier and more prepared than any of the people who came before to have a chance.

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@Wyzai Except... mythological sagas like Ragnarok and the Iliad did it better. And DARK did it better. And Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency did it better. And Code Geass did it better. And Fullmetal Alchemist did it better. Hell, even INFINITY WAR did it better if you want a recent example. (Meaning he did *worse* than all of the above with more time and/or more money.)

[@newdawnhorizon9879]

@@ephraimwinslow Code geass is ass

[@sigy4ever]

@@newdawnhorizon9879 still better than season 2

[@guysome7469]

Babylon 5 did it.

[@TheChildofAuraReborn]

I… barely manage to enjoy Arcane, when I just focus on my favorite characters like Jinx, Silco, Ekko, Sevika, and Heimerdinger. Everything and anything involving Cait and Vi is pure torture. Especially the fact that they made Vi a groveling abused girlfriend who came crawling back to Cait after Cait A) Physically struck her and B) Cheated on her. Season 2 was a mess.

[@lovisericachii4503]

As a Viktor main... I can confirm that all we got was walmart victor.

[@mittag983]

Poor Vi. Because of that I wished she had another partner, maybe even a guy to provoke the toxic yuri shippers. Like when she got cucked and acted like it was no big deal, my jaw dropped.

[@TheChildofAuraReborn]

@@mittag983 Honestly, hearing you say that, that’s what it is. She was cucked, Cait told her straight to her face that she cheated on her and Vi doesn’t care because she just wants some ass. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a weak “strong woman” character in my LIFE.

[@panonymousbloom5405]

My favorites from season 1 were Viktor, Mel and Silco. I couldn't focus on any of them for half of the series, I couldn't be fascinated with Jinx or even her "enemyship" with Cait because of that stupid child plot, Vi stopped being a character. I came in fascinated with where my clever character's plots were going to go. Came out simping for Sevika because seeing her on the screen while turning my brain off was the only entertainment I got from the show.

[@panonymousbloom5405]

​@@mittag983 she literally stopped being a character, just became a Cait orbiter. She literally derailed and abandoned her whole life because the chick she knew for like a week was sad. Mind you, the same chick is kind of the representation of everything that hurt her in her life (enforcers killing her parents, enforcers jailing her for a decade, piltover literally colonizing her city and causing the people to become terminally ill by taking away the fucking air. And she helped Cait with that goal too! I just- *sigh*).

[@CaptanF0rever]

"We've made you feel more for these characters than any animated show ever." Bro, I've seen "Grave of the Fireflies." You dont know the depths of human emotion an animated film/series can bring out.

[@lordkrauser]

Oh damn you. Just had to bring some of those memories back didn't you?

[@nooneatall5612]

I haven't watched it, is it sad?

[@CaptanF0rever]

@@nooneatall5612 without getting into spoilers, yeah. It affected the Japanese public so deeply that Studio Ghibli almost made a spiritual successor based on a different book that essentially condemned the Japanese for their war crimes in China and Korea. That was.... until the Tiananmen Square incident turned Japanese opinion on China so negative that Ghibli abandoned the project.

[@nooneatall5612]

@@CaptanF0rever Damn, I would watch it but I don't think I can stomach one of these well written sad movies that have you crying when you remember them.

[@mittag983]

I mean I mostly grew out of anime, but Made in Abyss made me feel existential dread. Arcane could never do that.

[@HectorLopez0217]

Virgin “Join the glorious evolution” Vs Chad “Freedom is the right of all sentient beings”

[@timetounwind9205]

You can't compete with the latter, he had the touch, he even had the power.

[@Shin_Mothra]

Evangelion or something

[@someguyshere6968]

@@timetounwind9205 Yeah

[@HectorLopez0217]

@@timetounwind9205 When our hearts breaking loose you’ll be right in the eye of the storm

[@crowthewicked8344]

I'm going to turn into a truck now Wurch chi church chi ding ding church

[@pitadude9836]

The worst thing Riot did in the short term is canonizing this version of Viktor as his "base" version, which means anyone who was depicted here must have their lore changed to reflect this. If they had made the Viktor update a different skin they could have been fine, treating Arcane as an alternate universe to the core lore that already exists

[@honijn3]

I hate the whole "you didn't understand the story" argument these people keep using. The same thing happened when Attack on Titan ended. The whole community got split in two and every single time someone mentioned that they didn't like the ending, the 'you didn't understand it' was the only argument the defenders were capable of making.

[@xenn4985]

Despite the fact that the author explicitly said he changed the ending to appeal to western readers, too. Some people will just consume.

[@Itdoesnotmatter100]

Well, AoTs ending is at least decently written. Mostly. Although im pretty sure that if it had a semi-clishe shounen ending where the main trio just beat the bad guys people would have been less upset.

[@Itdoesnotmatter100]

​@@xenn4985his original plan for the ending was " and then everyone died, the end". Im pretty sure that it would have ben...Well, less polarizing at least?...

[@beaup.2643]

​@@xenn4985Wow homie wrote a shit ending and blamed it on me. But in all seriousness I wonder what parts were changed, if it were just how many people lived or died like a lot of people thought was the important bit, I dont really care. But if it were about Erin's stupid Dr. Strange "i went through millions of futures and this is the one, i killed my mom lol" then I'd almost be offended by that claim he made.

[@xenn4985]

@Itdoesnotmatter100 Yeah it's almost like shifting the tone of a decade long work of art in the final stretch is a bad idea...

[@fr0ck360]

Probably why Arcane 2 didn’t win the best adaptation award

[@tomjames9681]

EVE the robot to Arcane: “Know your place, TRASH!” WALL-E comes over and politely compacts season 2.

[@lebaguette3354]

I just watched that movie. Get out of my walls.

[@rish1656]

*Moe comes in, washes away the last stray vestiges of S2's filth from existence*

[@TheHalogen131]

Good job, WALL-E!

[@HectorLopez0217]

First read it as Eve from Stellar Blade

[@woodwyrm]

@@HectorLopez0217 lel

[@inferior3199]

I really don't like the comment of "Oh if we made it how the audience wanted it it would just be fight p*rn for 17 year olds" considering many League players were actively interested in the lore and background of many League of Legends characters. But "man bad" isn't really a new thing among modern writers.

[@Lemon_Inspector]

"how the audience wanted it" the audience wanted it to be good

[@sol-hunter2332]

Is fight p0rn not what they did for season 2?

[@giovonniiclayton]

@@sol-hunter2332facts this season literally focuses way more on action

[@SnagTheRabbit]

Another review described season 2 as "nothing but fight p0rn," and I agree. Not even good fight p0rn tbh, there's too much slow motion. The fights in the first season felt more grounded and impactful. Everything was way too flashy this season.

[@plushierooz44]

Remember when this show was GOOD. When it was above the bare minimum and TRULY delivered?! I remember. And I miss it.

[@mr.dolphin8345]

Arcane is so bad it lost to Fallout at the VGAs. Let that sink in.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Serves them right. HOTD lost out on an Emmy too. Both had terrible second seasons.

[@patrioticcat5768]

Oh man the cope on ifunny when you call fallout a bad show. They simp for the bug eye girl and claim the 2nd season will be good because "omg they're actually playing the game hurr durr therefore they care" 🙄

[@mr.dolphin8345]

@ to be fair, bug eyed girl is hot

[@kanebekkattla3963]

​@@blacktigerpaw1HOTD? House of the dead? Or is it something else

[@ElusivePandaMan]

@kanebekkattla3963 House of the dragon

[@Imperial_Squid]

48:48 I swear some people are biologically incapable of seeing two guys just being really good friends without suggesting that they also want to sleep together, just let bros be homies people...

[@blacktigerpaw1]

The Council scene was homoerotic AF though. The ending was far more open ended, with either their souls blending together/ascending together or being obliterated. Greek dub used "male lover" when Jayce said "I just want my partner back" so it doesn't help things.

[@spacejunk2186]

People are so deprived of meaningful relationships that if they see two people touching, their brain instantly goes into sex mode.

[@Of_infinite_Faith]

I don't see them as romantic, Jayce literally says Viktor is his brother. I can see that. However the animators seemed to have some slightly different ideas because the first time Viktor introduced himself to Jayce it looked downright flirty. And he was like "this isn't my bedroom" and then their fight in the council room felt a little weird. Idk. I don't ship them but it seems like the artists involved were putting some stuff in there

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@Of_infinite_Faith I found the bedroom scene to be funny, and you can see him try to think of a good excuse. The smouldering look was something else, though, but it was subtle. The council room scene absolutely was homoerotic.

[@SnagTheRabbit]

I think the writers/animators were fully aware of shippers, and chose to pander to them slightly. They didn't do anything crazy, but certain scenes do have a weird tension and I can totally see them pandering to shippers since they make up like %50 of the hype.

[@gellister]

The way she is telling The narrative of how the writing went for season 2 literally uses season 2 writing tactics. Seemingly random occurrences that lead to results that are unintended.

[@sognurT]

Riot: You were supposed to stay off Twitter and not engage Christian: I'm sorry. They caught us by surprise. Riot: Now everyone is asking questions. About you. That's not a risk we're willing to take.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

It's an irrational sentiment, but if Andor season 2 is good, I'm gonna be pissed. Because honestly, who gives a shit if it's good, it leads nowhere. If ArcaneS2 was good, it'd be a doorway to something amazing in the future.

[@someeejit]

There’s a part of me that will be glad that it leads nowhere, I appreciate a relatively stand-alone series in this age of connected universe

[@crimsonpotemkin]

@@someeejit and you're probably totally correct on this. Maybe it's just better to have good standalone shows.

[@Wyzai]

Maybe that's why. Nobody cares about the cook who's outside the kitchen. The moment your show has expectations, everyone wants to stick their ladle in it.

[@Stiigmata]

This is peak marvel brainrot right here. A good story is a beautiful thing in and of itself.

[@ProfessorLobo]

What an odd thing to say

[@ArtoriaPendragon-t8m]

10:55 - strange to self report that you cannot be trusted to/are not as effective working from home. Well done, you played yourselves.

[@WickedHumor]

It's also hard to connect with others creatively over Zoom and phone calls. Face to face is way more effective at communication and collaboration.

[@spartanhawk7637]

“Has anyone told a story that includes all these elements better than I have?!” Yes, about 2,000 years ago, it’s called Ragnarok and we’ve had like six or seven games and shows based on it in the last five years alone.

[@incap6038]

Good writers break complex themes down into simple terms. Bad writers complicate simple themes with unnecessary fluff to make it seem more clever than it actually is.

[@lulukomadori9651]

damn we're really pushing out the arcane stuff, and it didn't even win best adaptation - which sadly mean they'll do more bad fallout as well -

[@DoffysGlasses]

One of the saddest things to happen at the Game Awards, that's for sure

[@ldmt1995]

Remember when writers and directors could be reliably expected to produce masterpieces for over a decade? Now they can't even muster more than a season.

[@odigity]

"It's a meme to say that Vi dying created world peace" Vi is Aries!

[@_xntrk]

Poor babies have to do their jobs. Feel sorry for them because they have to do the job they signed up for. We expect too much from people who chose this vocation. Awwwwwe.

[@ephraimwinslow]

It's not like hundreds of thousands of people would gladly *kill* for a shot at the same gig, either.

[@FireTalon24]

I have not played League in years for the sake of my mental wellbeing and stress. I LOVED the stories and lore for the game. The reveal of The Ruined King changed all of that. This horrifically corruptive and tragic figure, a King who drove his entire kingdom to destruction and undeath for the love of his Queen. A monstrous figure now bent on spreading it's evil slowly, the mist shrouding his undead abominations. All to reveal him to be a twink with a half-bare chiseled chest and boyband face. To say I was disappointed would be an understatement. I now feel the same way about what they've done to Viktor as I do about Viego. Arcane can burn for that alone. Never watched the show but now I hate it too.

[@greschenglin-dz7wj]

I mean Victor in S1 Arcane could still be the same way and it'd make sense for his LoL model to be buff. I mean, he's the Machine Herald. Nothing's stopping Arc S1 Viktor from becoming that. He had cancer, that's reason enough *to do it.* Heck, he even wanted to help the people in Zaun the same way LoL lore Viktor did. S2 shot that though. With a nuke.

[@ephraimwinslow]

K. There's all kinds of legitimate criticisms to levy against The Ruined King. But based on how VIEGO looks (y'know, his default skin)... WTF did you expect him to look like pre-Shadow Isles? Mickey Rourke? (He's a fantasy expy for ROMEO dude.)

[@FireTalon24]

@ephraimwinslow I'm speaking from the perspective of before he was revealed. I expected a twisted, undead monstrosity like all the other Shadow Isle characters of the time. Hecarim, a ghostly conbination of knight and mount. Kalista, a ghostly warrior of vengeance who rips the lances she was pierced with from her back to pay back traitors of all stripes. Yorick, the monk with affinity for the dead who watched all his fellows succumb and witnessed the decay around him. But then they gave us that twink to appeal to China's playerbase who actively prefer attractive human characters rather than unique, more monstrous ones. And yes, I say that because a survey was done that came to that result.

[@WickedHumor]

I have also not been a fan of the design choices they've made for champions since like 2016 or 2017. But I think they have pushed more towards a global audience, focusing more on the eastern market(given that pro play has been dominated by eastern teams).

[@noriantiri9310]

@@greschenglin-dz7wj conceptually though the arcane herald is better than the machine herald. The machine herald serves no purpose in the broader universe, precisely because piltover and zaun already have mechanical augments to their own body without it. The whole character of Viktor is supposed to be a cautionnary tail about the dangers of transhumanism when pushed to its absolute limits, it's a way more focused interpretation on what Viktor should be. Beforethat theykept flip-flopping on wether he was supposed to be a hero or a villain, and he was also very cartoonish. The new one at least can be taken more seriously, and is better integrated into the whole narrative. It's also very fitting for Viktor to developp ultimately the sentiment that human freedom is an illusion, and people should be forcefully evolved. He had lived his whole life at the mercy of other powers, the worst being his disease. He has fought also all his life to actually remove the imperfections that condemned him to death and suffering. Once he had lost empathy for others, it would just make sense for him to try and turn everyone.

[@NoPantsBaby]

I predicted this. Season 1 was a fluke. They started writting it in a different time. It was a passion project by a single dude who loved these characters. But the mind rot set in. Season 1 episode 7. It is the turning point.

[@Itisoverthere-rw]

Takes a brain rotten clown to see everything as mind rot.

[@shadowgamer4306]

Please explain the point about season 1 episode 7.

[@Itisoverthere-rw]

@shadowgamer4306 I am almost certain this was the point he realized Vi and Caitlyn had romantic feelings for each other.

[@xtrafunk]

season 2 was such a staggering decline in quality. contrived, full of narrative shortcuts, at times outright emotionally manipulative and entirely carried by a handful of musical montages and emotional moments that completely lose their lustre under even the slightest examination. def disappointing, and this meltdown only underscores it

[@JohnKollar]

Writers comments on the alternate universe is total copium (ie Vi is dead but everyone happy) - if it was solely due to the lack of HexTech - well, Silco and Vander had a fallout BEFORE HexTech was invented - but that didn't appear to happen in the "happy" universe - so how does that work? I hate the multiverse (all versions). And blather/blather/blather ... show me someone who has done it better! Babylon 5 - now go off and learn to code (obviously writing isn't your thing). How do people get into these positions?

[@xentiment6581]

This Season was written like someone saw IMDB rating for Season 1, saw that lowest rating demographic was 14 year old girls, and then wrote Season 2 specifically to cater to them.

[@itsnotborker456]

The problem with the "hextech didn't exist" argument is that shimmer still did

[@blacktigerpaw1]

I mean in that AU we don't hear about Singed at all.

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@blacktigerpaw1 Because they forgot.

[@WickedHumor]

Did it? Silco recruited Singed to make shimmer for his own purposes, but Singed was really only interested in it for his own use. He just used Silco's resources to develop it for Orianna. So it may have been a thing, but without Silco to drive the mass production and proliferation, shimmer would have remained Singed's personal project. He had no desire to become a drug lord.

[@xtrafunk]

this. season 2 handwaves silco away entirely, like "oh, because hextech was never invented he totally gave up all his aspirations, shelved his bioweapon, retired his crew and found jesus" -cool cool

[@WickedHumor]

@@xtrafunk it wasting Silco's bioweapon. It was Singed's, Silco just pulled the same thing Ambessa did and funded Singed's research, taking any useful developments for himself. If they accomplished the nation of Zaun, he would have had no interest in shimmer. It was a means to an end he already had.

[@LaBigShip]

"Unfortunately, they disintegrated" Damn, if only someone there could have done something about that.

[@weareharbinger914]

Arrogance is a really stupid stance to take when interacting with people and especially fans/critics of what you make. These people should never be in charge of anything, it isn't a matter of if they will fuck up, its a matter of when.

[@paunaic5460]

Teh response from the team honestly made me see S2 more negatively. Never meet your heroes, not even through Twitter. The arrogance sours everything.

[@moy9948]

As a 10 yr long League player, season 1 Arcane was the best thing to happen to League and Season 2 was one of the worst. They messed up when they decided to make Arcane canon. They turned Viktor from an Adeptus Mechanicus type of character into a generic Mage, and Vander/Warwick got turned into a mindless automaton that for some weird reason they still decided to keep his og desogn in league and made the Arcane design into a skin that still keeps his wolf face.

[@godusopp9401]

Is fringy dressed as "The Frinch"

[@AppleInk]

I knew this show wasn't worth my time. Nowadays, shows are just a reflection of whoever is behind it, the actual lore or the IP story is always secondary, so that's all people need to know.

[@n0ttomuch65]

season 1 is still great since they were respectful to characters then and even teased that Viktor would become better designed version of himself instead for what organic metal man we got in season 2

[@AppleInk]

@n0ttomuch65 That might be true, but it's like all series and games are destined to have a terrible sequel/season. They get their audience favor by being somewhat respectful and then it's time to fo what they wanted to in the first place, and it's just voring now, because you know/knew it would happen.

[@WickedHumor]

@@n0ttomuch65 Yeah I really don't like that Viktor turned from a machine into some magical amalgamation. That was disappointing.

[@noriantiri9310]

@@n0ttomuch65 the organic metal man is a better fit in the overall lore of piltover and zaun tho. The machine herald was redundant with the presence of machine augments everywhere without Vikor's influence, making him redundant

[@n0ttomuch65]

@@noriantiri9310 organic metal man is not better fit since it dosen't fit to piltover or zaun estetic. He was great as example of Zaunite

[@mishan3168]

It's just incredible how heroic they made look Christian in documentary. Without any damn word about another writers... And now. Here we fucking go. It all makes sense now brother

[@Interstellar19]

I'd love to get all of the S1 writers on an AMA and ask how they would have written S2.

[@WickedHumor]

@@Interstellar19 that would be an interesting conversation. I would love to see that too.

[@darkhero0685]

LMAO JAYCE AND VICTOR ARE DEAD!????

[@TheSilversepiroth]

This just serves to prove that these idiots have *_NO_* clue how to actually write anything cohesive & of good quality

[@Dave_L913]

Saying COVID affected the writers' room is deceptive. The pandemic restrictions started in March of 2020. S1 didnt air until Nov 2021. Were they writing S2 1.5 YEARS before S1 aired? BS

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Yes. Scripts were finished in 2019.

[@Hitman-cq2yw]

They said that they already had been working for a year already on season 2, when season 1 finished. So the timings are not wrong, it's just that they are being unclear what really happened behind the scenes.

[@ProfessorLobo]

​@@blacktigerpaw1imagine just sitting on those season 2 scripts as they were for 5 years

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@ProfessorLobo Yeah. Plenty of time to edit and clean them up with other writers during COVID. They cut off the true talent that made S1.

[@mhc706]

something just isnt clicking in my logic. this is supposed to be the same writer that wrote season 1? so did they start doing meth over the break or were they just taking credit for someone elses work? because it isnt adding up. although thinking about it maybe its like the guy who wrote lost, good at the mystery box lead up but worse than a 5 year old at resolving anything

[@WickedHumor]

They started working on the story for Arcane in 2015. They had at least 4-5 years to write the season 1 story, while season 2 had maybe 2-3 with a Covid skeleton crew, according to them. Could be they ran out of time and had to use what they had come up with. Maybe Netflix limited screen time so some story had to be omitted. Only RIOT and its Arcane staff knows.

[@SummerIrvin]

Some writers are great at thinking up really creative ideas, but can't pull them all together into a coherent, moving story. Maybe they just lost the person who was able to organize everything? S2 did have some good ideas under all the chaos imo. I would've enjoyed s2 with it's flaws, if y'know, it weren't supposed to be a sequel to a masterpiece.

[@WickedHumor]

@@SummerIrvin I did see they let 3 key writers for some of season 1's best episodes go, as well as the narrative director or something. I wish they would have fought for their jobs harder, because we could have got something so much more complete.

[@Laxhoop]

This honestly just makes me wonder if season 1 being so amazing was just a fluke.

[@Hitman-cq2yw]

They hired good writers for season 1. The Toy Story writer alone, made a lot of difference. Then the good writers left and only the horny Amanda, with her lesbo fanfics remained and Christian Linke and Alex Yee, who made clear that their writing was deemed as pretty shit, which is why the hired the good writers in the first place, for season 1. In short, it was not a fluke. It's just that the really good writers left, when they finished season 1.

[@stef-w5j]

I enjoyed season 2 but act 2 and 3 were insanely rushed. It lacked time to process to reunite with Vander and the events after ep6 I went back to season one and i forgot how loveable Viktor was there

[@Austinuztantine]

"The ships were underdeveloped" -Grogu

[@thewaterbearbug]

Bro couldn't handle the peakness of Walter Goggin's acting that carried Fallout. That's why they won tbh

[@lovisericachii4503]

Arcane2 aka destroyer of interesting lores. Didn't get Viktor... They gave us the walmart victor instead.

[@mishan3168]

It was gay ultrone instead of incredible character

[@miep3934]

Christian Linke is to Arcane what Ryan Johnson was to Star Wars. The cycle of ruination is inevitable and inescapable it seems. The only remedy is to walk away... HEY LOOK, I FOUND A META THEME! THAT MAKES SEASON 2 BRILLIANT YOU GUYS!!!111!

[@fortherepublic6475]

Linke means left in German, so we know who to blame

[@MrShadownetwork]

Soooo this show is just turning into another RWBY?

[@serking4867]

Season 2 was worse than one, simple as that. Too much at stake, too much plot, everything ended like nothing mattered

[@OJorEm]

Linke is singlehandedly ruining season 2's reputation even more by himself on Twitter, it's crazy 💀 24:49 this guy drank too much shimmer or what??? what a crazy bastard

[@talmanesdelovinde302]

I agree that I feel more about season 2 than many things that I watch. Rage and disappointment, mostly.

[@daveyjones8969]

Can't trust producers, distributors, writers, etc, it's all about the team. Same with gaming, can't trust old names like Square-Enix anymore...

[@rcflight13]

Someone on the subreddit was arguing the reason people don't like season 2 is because it's more subtle than season 1. My sides.

[@giulizpaviz6381]

"No, Vi didn't fucked Caitlyn because she cares more about her than her sister, is because she understood that Caitlyn wouldn't got her revenge on Jinx" Whatever the excuse is, there's still the fact that she literally had sex right after knowing that her sister is about to off herself. I don't care about the "well, people have different ways of coping" bs, it's awful writing. Yes, I'm still pointing this scene out because it still piss me off. Also the "no, it's not that there's world peace because Vi died, it's because her death made Piltover realized that the Arcane was dangerous" also opens a can of worms. First of all the arcane was already illegal, second it was already clear the strong classism of Piltover and how the people from Zaun are not welcome, so Vi's death wouldn't changed anything for them. Third, Powder would have gone completly crazy at knowing that she accidentally killed her sister so she still could have become Jinx. Fourth, Silco still wanted to take control of Zaun and Vender was still on his way, it wasn't just for revenge.

[@tenoreyequetis]

I don't think Vi suspected Jinx was gonna kill herself at all. She'd shown no signs of suicidal ideation, rather the opposite, before that when they were trying to rescue Vander. Jinx says she wants to "break the cycle" which is incredibly vague. HOWEVER. I also don't think they made that clear enough for the audience, and the timing / tonal whiplash with the sudden change in mood was pretty bad. It was way too rushed and needed breathing room before moving into the love scene.

[@giulizpaviz6381]

@tenoreyequetis it was way too clear that Jinx was about to off herself. There were so many death flags in that scene. Jinx punching Vi and trapped her in the cell, telling her "you don't have to worry about me anymore, I'm going to break the cycle" Geez, I wonder what did she meant with those actions So either Vi was a dumbass or I don't know what else

[@tenoreyequetis]

@@giulizpaviz6381 I mean, it's clear to the audience because we see everything. But think about what Vi sees: her sister acting normal, going to save their dad. Then Vi wakes up and goes to break Jinx out, only for Jinx to betray her, saying she wants to "break the cycle" and that Vi deserves to be happy with Caitlyn. When you look at Jinx's exact lines from that scene in isolation, to me that doesn't scream I'm going to off myself, and Vi would definitely not want to jump to that conclusion either. She probably just thinks Jinx betrayed her and she was wrong about her sister having changed for the better. I'm not arguing that the timing was bad though. And they really needed at least a few more lines of dialogue in between Vi realizing what Cait had done to them jumping on each other.

[@tenoreyequetis]

@@giulizpaviz6381 Oh I saw your edit, but I still don't agree it was completely clear. 'Breaking the cycle" and Vi not having to worry about her anymore could mean other things. Jinx could just be walking away from it all, or she's just telling Vi that she's not Vi's responsibility anymore. Or she's just talking crazy to soften the blow of betraying her sister. Our opinion as the audience is informed by everything that we see, but Vi doesn't see everything that we do.

[@giulizpaviz6381]

@tenoreyequetis Jinx punched Vi in the stomach and closed her in the cell (first red flag) Jinx says "you don't have to worry about me anymore" (second red flag) And then "I'm going to break the cycle" (third red flag) Even if Vi is a 0 IQ person she would at least be like "oh shit, what is she's gonna do? I have to stop her because I have a bad feeling about this" Any sane person would be dead worried about what was gonna happen (especially when you already know that this person is a time bomb) Vi punched a wall screaming meaning that she understood very well that Jinx was about to do something terrible, how else Vi interpret those moments? As a "Oh, my sister is just gonna give candies to the kids"? It doesn't even make any sense that Vi read all this of "oh, my sister is just walking away"

[@mariomaster4568]

6:56 FUCK, had this been like 2 years ago, I would’ve agreed, but season 2 just wrecks season 1 and does have me genuinely wonder if season 1 was a fluke accident.

[@joshuahenderson3444]

Its true S1 of Arcane was like lightning in the bottle this second season is kind of a downgrade for what made the first season so flawlessly great

[@dungeonsanddragonshomebrew3165]

"we've made you feel more than any other animated show" I've seen about the same amount of Arcane as I have of GI Robot and GI Robot almost got me to cry with how sad and amazing his story was

[@mallyxtheunyielding7212]

So the team completely screwed the pooch but because they are all balloons filled with nothing but hot air and ego they can't admit that maybe losing most of the staff that made Season 1 so fantastic was a bad thing...great

[@deadbatt9321]

So much for the show being canon. Jayce and Viktor are dead/disintegrated. Better remove those champions from the game.

[@WickedHumor]

Genuine question: Does League lore require all playable champions be alive at the same time? Or could they pull champions from different times? Like they could pull Silco era Jinx and Enforcer era Vi together, or do they have to retcon the lore to match it?

[@kellywilson137]

Unfortunately for you, They drank multiverse Koolaide

[@lovisericachii4503]

Meh we didn't get Viktor, we got walmart victor! And this walmart victor is gonna replace game lore viktor lol

[@Comrade_Liru]

@@WickedHumor They could if they're desperate, but...be honest. Have multiverses improved anything aside from being fodder for 'what if' ideas?

[@WickedHumor]

@@Comrade_Liru I think the multiverse in episode 7 is a great storytelling mechanism, aside from being an entertaining episode. I loved the cuts from Ekko/Powder chilling to Jayce fighting for his life lol. But I can't imagine all the 160 or whatever League champs all exist in their current form at the same time right? Azir exists the same time as Lux? Like I actually don't know the lore, but it seems implausible at best.

[@andreaven2287]

It's canon : Patrick S. Tomlinson wrote Arcane.

[@FireTalon24]

4 am. "It won't be that long" says the Longman. Looks at video length, 58 minutes. Lmao.

[@The_Truth_Logic]

May their future projects fail miserably.

[@moy9948]

25:38 if they are going to follow the shipper commands, then is safe to say that the Riven x Zac (two characters with no interation with each other in lore except they both have the color green in their color scheme) ship become a reality.

[@WontStopMeNow]

You guys just don't understand, Vi was the real jinx all along.

[@HopefulNihilist]

I thought the Jix were the friends we made along the way?

[@mishan3168]

Vinx

[@theaverageDon]

2:04 you know what's "superficial"? The characters in your show If you admit that the season was being rushed, then yell the studio to let you add more episodes so it doesn't feel like your spread too much butter over to little bread 🙄😮‍💨💀

[@anvec6145]

Which one hated the people who liked the first one more- Joker 2 or Arcane Season 2?

[@giulizpaviz6381]

Joker 2 takes the cake because it was clearly made out of spite for those who enjoyed the first movie Arcane 2 is still bad, but at least it's because the writers were dumb (and can't take the L)

[@ephraimwinslow]

Tough call. I'd say Arcane S2 was worse because the spergbow shippers who wrote it *thought* it was good. Joker 2 was literally a prank on the audience. Which... yeah Tarantino can call that brilliant, but if he'd tried something similar? People woulda stopped liking him the same day. Permanently.

[@jesterfeathers]

Bro these were the CREATOR'S words!?!! I thought these were brain dead xwitter cope posts 💀☠️💀💀💀💀💀

[@samdurfee6093]

25:28 So Vi and Cait were never outright declared as a couple in the Game Lore (as far as I was aware) But plenty of ppl viewed their relationship as potentially romantic and Arcane Season 1 did create the ground work for that relationship. Unfortunately Season 2 said fuck that we don’t know how to write actual relationships so we just gonna break them up only to shove them back together for a totally out of place and unearned sex scene.

[@silverscorpio24]

Guy's got an ego the size of Runeterra itself.