EFF's Floyd Shivambu says South Africa should continue strengthening diplomatic ties with Russia

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@Funi_
@Funi_ 2 жыл бұрын
I really like such discussions on SABC, both sides of the story are presented well🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
@janverstaan5870
@janverstaan5870 2 жыл бұрын
I never thought that I would ever agree with the eff but with this Ukrane aspect Floid is spot on.
@advancedsettings9699
@advancedsettings9699 2 жыл бұрын
Jan verstaan vokol
@janverstaan5870
@janverstaan5870 2 жыл бұрын
@@advancedsettings9699 To swear do not bring forth any argument. State your argument so I can understand what your point is. Be sure that there is nothing else under this sun about the eff that I agree with. Do you not see how the west is bullying other countries for their own financial gain.
@markscheepers9908
@markscheepers9908 2 жыл бұрын
I listened to this man in disbelief, and his complete bias views about the Russia/Ukraine conflict, and the "double standards" used by the EFF. Ukraine is a sovereign nation, which as an independent country can do what they wish to do (without consulting it's neighbours for their permission). The USSR (Russia) controlled this country by force for almost 45 year (since the end of WWII) and Ukraine finally got their freedom & independence sometime after the fall of the USSR 1991. Here is why Shivambu's remarks are contradictory (when compared with his party's own political views - I will SA as a comparison): Like the Ukrainians, South Africa (SA) was controlled and governed by an oppression regime (the apartheid regime), similarly Ukraine has been under the control by the USSR. We celebrated the end of our oppression in 1994 much like the Ukrainians did after 1991 after many once foreign nations split from the USSR. So, why does Shivambu not see this as EFF double-standards? Would he be okay if the old regime resumed here in SA? Obviously not, yet he speaks against a country that wants the same, their sovereignty (which they once had)...so why the EFF double standards? We have our sovereignty, why can't they have theirs? The EFF complains about the Donbas region, a region inside the Ukraine that is backed by Russian separatist that have been fighting Ukrainians since 2014 (maybe ever earlier) - this land belongs to Ukraine and is inside their country (this is similar to SA's own version of Donbas - Oranje, the tiny area where Afrikaners have stated they want their own independence. The EFF policy is critical towards this request stating that Oranje "belongs" to South Africa and they or the South African government cannot consider this a legitimate request by those people. So why the double-standards with Ukrainians demanding the same with the Donbas region which is part of their country?). The Donbas region has Russia's living there demanding their own sovereignty, in a part of the country that "belongs" to Ukraine (how is it that the EFF complains about Ukraine's refusal to hand-over a part of their country to Russian groups but refuse to see the similarity with Oranje, which they reject?...again, these are EFF double-standards). As for the "genocide" claims by Shivambu, where is the proof, he just accepts Russia's claims. Russia has made many claims about Ukraine e.g. "denazification" of the country, yet they have not provided a single shred of evidence for these claims. They also claim they want to "disarm" the country...based on the current situation in Ukraine it is evident that Ukrainian "arms" and not a threat to Russia and nowhere matches that of Russia. So what disarming is Russia talking about? This sounds more like Russia wanting the Ukrainians to be defenseless, so that Russia can at will force their opinions on a sovereign nation. What about the NATO issue? As I already stated, Ukraine is a sovereign nation who should have the right to "join" whom they will without interference from their neighbours. Besides NATO has many times turned down Ukraine's request to become a NATO member because of Russia's concerns. Okay, so what are Russia's concerns really? How does NATO fit into this? - Russia is one of the world's largest nuclear powers and they claim their concern is having a NATO "armed" country right next-door to them. Ukraine had nuclear weapons before the USSR split, but Ukraine turned these all over to Russia in the 1990's, so Ukraine presently has none. Again Russia assumes NATO will arm Ukraine with nuke's yet they make claims without evidence...if Ukraine had joined NATO and this was happening then it is understandable for their actions, but no proof exist to suggest this, so this is just Russian tactics to control another country. What about Ukraine's Western influenced policies? This is by far the biggest concern for Putin. Why? because Putin rules Russia as an autocrat and he fears that the Russian people living so close to a "democratic" country will get ideas about democratic life-styles and demand the same from their Russian government. All of what is currently happening against Ukraine has to do with the Russian people's possible future demands on their own country when they compare it to a westernised Ukraine. Putin has ruled as an autocrat for over 20 years and has no real political opposition and more than anything else wants this to be the status-quo in Russia...his worst fear is that this could change someday. This is surely the biggest "least obvious" reason for his aggression against a sovereign nation like Ukraine. After this war, which of Russia's other neighbours will be the next concern?...and if this war with Ukraine goes Putin's way, there will be others...For this reason the world needs to reject Putin's war on Ukraine, now. We as South African's wanted democracy for a long time and now that we have it, it is undoubtedly something we would not give up easily, yet it is disappointing seeing South African's like Shivambu who has this liberty, not wanting other's like the Ukrainians to have similar. South Africa's allegiance: Which ever way we look at this conflict between Russia & the Ukraine, Ukrainians are the under-dogs and Russia the bully (we have seen this happen before as with the USA & Iraq and the consequences of this bully tactics - much of the world condemned it then, as we should now do with Russia). Least we forget that it was not the help from the USSR in the days of apartheid that finally freed SA from it's oppression, but rather from western persistent sanctions. When we became a democracy, Mandela visited western nations for assistance & fund raising, not Russia or China. So it is unfortunate that the EFF claims to fight for things like liberty for the South African people but it's policies contradict this in many of their actions, and we see this first-hand now with their bias allegiance with Russia (who has never really done anything for SA - if you disagree, show me the proof otherwise?). South Africa should be on the side of righteousness, not political gain (the victors of the last 2 world wars proves that it is important to be on the side of righteousness).
@ianbeddowes5362
@ianbeddowes5362 2 жыл бұрын
@@markscheepers9908 In other words you support the Nazis during the Second World War and now.
@lokolongjohn365
@lokolongjohn365 2 жыл бұрын
Russia help in the struggle of south Africa like Cuba
@jeromejooste3493
@jeromejooste3493 2 жыл бұрын
Putins capitalist Russia did not support SA. It was the USSR.
@jmkruger1747
@jmkruger1747 2 жыл бұрын
Correction, that was the Soviet Union, which collapsed in 1991.
@londanintshangase
@londanintshangase 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeromejooste3493 either way Russia is a strategic partner to SA. We should pivot toward Russia, China and India. Liberal hegemony of the US and its EU allies is a dying foreign policy and no African state should entertain it.
@johnsmit7203
@johnsmit7203 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeromejooste3493 touché Jerome.
@johnsmit7203
@johnsmit7203 2 жыл бұрын
@@londanintshangase you clearly have no idea about strategic partnerships. Whilst i hold no love for the western countries referred to, the lot you want to gang up with are far worse.
@kamalmohamed5353
@kamalmohamed5353 2 жыл бұрын
Proud of my southafrican brothers 🇸🇴 🇸🇴🇸🇴🇸🇴🇸🇴🇸🇴🇸🇴🇸🇴🇸🇴🇸🇴
@cherenin6506
@cherenin6506 2 жыл бұрын
Someone is in her earpiece and dont like Facts/ Truth, this gentleman is speaking truths!!!!
@n.m6249
@n.m6249 2 жыл бұрын
He is excellent, white supremacist won't be happy to hear him
@abdel-qadeercoubadja4750
@abdel-qadeercoubadja4750 2 жыл бұрын
South Africa and others must create independent financial networks not based on western currencies.
@ultraqwickmusic6729
@ultraqwickmusic6729 2 жыл бұрын
Gaddafi tried and they killed him
@nomatusi7514
@nomatusi7514 2 жыл бұрын
Africa should have their own currency the way Gadafi suggested
@parshinnaidoo2478
@parshinnaidoo2478 2 жыл бұрын
I had doubt in the beginning with the EFF but the more I learn, the more i begin to see how Truthful the EFF is compared to our other South African political parties
@tshepangmahlangu1170
@tshepangmahlangu1170 2 жыл бұрын
they winning me over
@jacquesdewet2661
@jacquesdewet2661 2 жыл бұрын
Lol... Marxists speak from both corners of their mouth.
@xnxo7237
@xnxo7237 2 жыл бұрын
Has the war in Yemeni and Syria finished or even in Congo?
@siyaklaas
@siyaklaas 2 жыл бұрын
never
@sammym9259
@sammym9259 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@n.m6249
@n.m6249 2 жыл бұрын
No the world just forget, remember they are not white
@samanthataylor1761
@samanthataylor1761 2 жыл бұрын
No
@tcdcoptions
@tcdcoptions 2 жыл бұрын
The advantage which the EFF has is that they emphasize education. You can see he's not taking chances nor is he shallow. He's well read and well-rounded
@nickwidmer9044
@nickwidmer9044 2 жыл бұрын
He is uncritically regurgitating Russian talking points on public television. It's great to oppose US imperialism, but licking the boot of a literal White Nationalist from Russia is not the way to do it. Africa too needs to become sovereign and stop serving the interests of powerful men form up North. This is just embarrassing.
@coolercat4027
@coolercat4027 2 жыл бұрын
Floyd and EFF are typical example of confused leaders who doesn't provide solutions but take pleasure in chaos.. How can a normal person not have respect for human lives but openly support war? He even lied that Russia is not targeting civilians but buildings but we saw Russia bombing maternity hospitals killing pregnant woman with small babies and University campuses..... This is the reason why the EFF will never lead a country because they forever play a blame gaming politics instead of solution driven mind set. I mean this guy did not even echo any sentiment to call for peaceful and diplomatic solution he simply run into Russia corner and that's it. This are apparently leaders who doesn't think of solutions but harbour negativity and blame gaming all the time..
@coolercat4027
@coolercat4027 2 жыл бұрын
@@nickwidmer9044 Floyd and the EFF portray themselves as intellectuals but always end up exposing themselves as opportunistic academic fools. Leaders are supposed to provide solutions and call for harmony but that's not the case with these EFF fools because for them it's all about blaming gaming, bias mentality and enjoying chaos even at the expense of human lives
@jacobramodipa6201
@jacobramodipa6201 2 жыл бұрын
@@coolercat4027 Llll
@advancedsettings9699
@advancedsettings9699 2 жыл бұрын
He knows nothing. Yes their leader has grade 5, excellent lead by exame
@thapeloseane1336
@thapeloseane1336 2 жыл бұрын
Clear atticulation, EFF has build a power house of ideas which are suffocating the normal life of power.
@tameimpala37
@tameimpala37 2 жыл бұрын
You must like the fact they are currently the most racist political party on earth.
@johnsmit7203
@johnsmit7203 2 жыл бұрын
Some of those "powerfull" ideas, direct from CIC Juju, is that all African's are brothers and sisters and that there should be no borders in Africa. Then, weeks later, he suggest that the foreigners should go back to their countries. Now i am confused. Are they brothers and sisters or not and if there should be no borders, are they not already "home"?
@johnsmit7203
@johnsmit7203 2 жыл бұрын
The EFF are sooooo confused. Typically they have no idea which way to go and then go the wrong way.
@mduduzihow3062
@mduduzihow3062 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnsmit7203 so says a white settler, land thief
@mduduzihow3062
@mduduzihow3062 2 жыл бұрын
@@tameimpala37 so says another land thief
@speakthetruth795
@speakthetruth795 2 жыл бұрын
To be honest the South Africans have one of the smartest people on earth 🌍, I so much learn alot from him
@hopes9451
@hopes9451 2 жыл бұрын
We are called lazy and uneducated by people who come here illegally and then expect us to call them our brothers and sisters when we react and tell them to leave our country and go home.
@tameimpala37
@tameimpala37 2 жыл бұрын
Clearly your definition of 'smart' does not correspond to the dictionary definition. The EFF has nothing more to offer than destruction and racial hatred but maybe that gets your motor running. Shame.
@speakthetruth795
@speakthetruth795 2 жыл бұрын
@@hopes9451 you mean the Holland people that came to South Africa illegally to kill destroy and destroy the black population?
@speakthetruth795
@speakthetruth795 2 жыл бұрын
@@tameimpala37 actually I don’t understand what you meant , but I just loved the analysis of what he said and I don’t know the meaning of EFF ?
@argentnexus7129
@argentnexus7129 2 жыл бұрын
Your handle is clearly contradictory, since you speak nothing that is based in truth.
@oliverchikarara
@oliverchikarara 2 жыл бұрын
Shivambu you are a star. Putin must clear the earth of the evil axis America, UK, Australia, France and Canada. These countries have caused so much suffering in the world. Viva Russia, Viva Putin
@dimitripete3211
@dimitripete3211 2 жыл бұрын
But we are electoral democracies and they are not
@tonydimegwu691
@tonydimegwu691 2 жыл бұрын
I love you all . Africa has suffered greatly under America and Europe. Now that someone has brought their own trade to them they are trying to involve the whole world
@fanamlawuli6761
@fanamlawuli6761 2 жыл бұрын
I had to watch this interview twice to soak up on the revolutionary truth of comrade DP Floyd Shivambu
@equipoiseful
@equipoiseful 2 жыл бұрын
You're wrong though
@matildetavaresable
@matildetavaresable 2 жыл бұрын
What truth? They would not know the meaning of truth if it hit them in the face! !!
@fanamlawuli6761
@fanamlawuli6761 2 жыл бұрын
Any white troll coming here to comment and leave there stupid racist narrative, I am not interested
@missqt48
@missqt48 2 жыл бұрын
@fana Mlawuli my friend.. these people are soooooooo obsessed with us! They hate us but they keep lurking 👀
@mannetjie3248
@mannetjie3248 2 жыл бұрын
@@missqt48 am sure you are still struggling to clean a floor😅🤣😂😆😁
@daveelcock607
@daveelcock607 2 жыл бұрын
UN has long become a joke and in my opinion has now outlived its uselessness. The Secretary-General should have exhausted his position in favour of diplomacy and engaging in behind the scenes activities to bring about resolution of the conflict.
@zionlee3644
@zionlee3644 2 жыл бұрын
Beautifully put!1
@philanishange7385
@philanishange7385 2 жыл бұрын
EFF is the future these guys speak speak with such intellect clear and precise and use superior logic I can't help but admire them
@n.m6249
@n.m6249 2 жыл бұрын
The confidence he has is incredible and he does research to back up his conversation
@eliaskaoma8901
@eliaskaoma8901 2 жыл бұрын
I am very proud of RSA stand and support to Russia. Africa must rise and support the country that supported African liberation fights.
@korombokaronko7948
@korombokaronko7948 2 жыл бұрын
Bravo to the people of South Africa
@migueldoriste5129
@migueldoriste5129 2 жыл бұрын
South Africa will be next to finish destroy by all those countries
@tonshbenosh2275
@tonshbenosh2275 2 жыл бұрын
I like the way Floyd says”the necessary military operation”
@alidogoto8536
@alidogoto8536 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed necessary military operation
@littleninjamofo9841
@littleninjamofo9841 2 жыл бұрын
FLOYD IS TALKING SENSE AT LAST. HE SHOULD DITCH THE RED OVERALLS AND MALEMA EFF NOW. START YOUR OWN NEW PARTY FOR ALL THE PEOPLE OF SA. PUTIN A TRUE ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN IS FIGHTING REAL EVIL.
@aquarius1500
@aquarius1500 2 жыл бұрын
Aye Aye Floyd Shivambu
@sphamandlahlongwa3724
@sphamandlahlongwa3724 2 жыл бұрын
"to make your life easier u must stop taking Solly Mapaile serious"🤣🤣🤣💪
@lindilemgqobele4337
@lindilemgqobele4337 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@boitumelonyama3330
@boitumelonyama3330 2 жыл бұрын
😂🤣😂🤣😂
@revolution475
@revolution475 2 жыл бұрын
🙆😂😂😂
@mohalesydneylebea9388
@mohalesydneylebea9388 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
@patmdoda9331
@patmdoda9331 2 жыл бұрын
Unlike ENCa that switches off comments that involves Ramaphosa SABC has done well to explore both sides of the story
@zionlee3644
@zionlee3644 2 жыл бұрын
Great Point!!
@samanthataylor1761
@samanthataylor1761 2 жыл бұрын
Floyd Shibamvu is one of the most highly intellectual leaders of our country.
@t.v.a.i.s.s6842
@t.v.a.i.s.s6842 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you shivambu, Asante Sana. I m with your ideas forever. Russia aaaaaaaaaa,,,,,, o. O.ooooyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !!!!! 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪😘😘
@tomlydon3123
@tomlydon3123 2 жыл бұрын
SABC should have just had the Russian Ambassador on; it would have been more efficient.
@aykay9328
@aykay9328 2 жыл бұрын
Even that of Ukraine for balance,we are not of the truth moss
@Jo-kg3gz
@Jo-kg3gz 2 жыл бұрын
Bravo South Africa. 👍🏼
@clifekomana9409
@clifekomana9409 2 жыл бұрын
We should be focusing on our economy
@sandisonjova8053
@sandisonjova8053 2 жыл бұрын
We have a leader here Mzantsi
@tameimpala37
@tameimpala37 2 жыл бұрын
Don't you have any standards? Btw Africa is where it is because people like you support idiots like Shivambu.
@johnsmit7203
@johnsmit7203 2 жыл бұрын
You wouldn't know a leader if he robbed you from you hard earned money pal.
@ivileharmans5644
@ivileharmans5644 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with Floyd
@MenteLiberta1980
@MenteLiberta1980 2 жыл бұрын
Finally the truth!
@siyambongarigala8627
@siyambongarigala8627 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed it is a necessary military operation
@dav625
@dav625 2 жыл бұрын
well said. Am glad Africa got guys like you. Kudos bros
@marabunya
@marabunya 2 жыл бұрын
These will go down as some of the most insightful interviews in television history. Thank you to SABC for not black balling such fearless voices.
@capeorbobserver3903
@capeorbobserver3903 2 жыл бұрын
Can't believe I'm saying this, but the EFF is actually talking more sense on this issue than most Western leaders
@samanthataylor1761
@samanthataylor1761 2 жыл бұрын
If you stop to listen, they always make sense.
@forplay2706
@forplay2706 2 жыл бұрын
Floyd is clear
@mannetjie3248
@mannetjie3248 2 жыл бұрын
Clearly stupid...
@bamwesigyeisaacpanafricani7312
@bamwesigyeisaacpanafricani7312 2 жыл бұрын
EFF is the right party to lead south Africa they know the core values of the lower people
@Coco-kw3iv
@Coco-kw3iv 2 жыл бұрын
No F@#kn ways... South Africa will be for Foreigners...
@johnsmit7203
@johnsmit7203 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus boet. You have just called your fellow africans "lower people" How stupid could you be?
@BandzMakeHerDance595
@BandzMakeHerDance595 2 жыл бұрын
Truth my brother…me personally Ndlozi must be the president of the EFF
@mannetjie3248
@mannetjie3248 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed...the 'lower' people are the EFF's natural constituency. Anyone with a semblance of intelligence is disgusted by Every Farting Fool's collective retardation😇
@tebogomawuku4771
@tebogomawuku4771 2 жыл бұрын
i really dont understand people who say "for once i agree with the EFF" , oaks, these people have been right about everything since the start of the organisation. literally just type EFF and watch their videos and try find fault in any. From Floyd, to Julius to Ndlozi
@modsa8901
@modsa8901 2 жыл бұрын
How's about their blatant racist murderous onslaught against all "Whites"? You're obviously one-eyed, biased and likely an out and out racist yourself
@mannetjie3248
@mannetjie3248 2 жыл бұрын
EVERYTHING the EFF says makes stupidity look intelligent!!!
@lethabomatlala2959
@lethabomatlala2959 2 жыл бұрын
Tebza... I'm as surprised as you are...
@samanthataylor1761
@samanthataylor1761 2 жыл бұрын
People usually never listen because their opinions are informed by propaganda.
@gerrald5272
@gerrald5272 2 жыл бұрын
I seriously can't wait till the EFF comes to power. SOUTH AFRICA WILL BE A GREAT COUNTRY UNDER THERE LEADERSHIP!!!
@advancedsettings9699
@advancedsettings9699 2 жыл бұрын
N O hope here
@cookingwithphindile4525
@cookingwithphindile4525 2 жыл бұрын
I pray they never🙏
@gerrald5272
@gerrald5272 2 жыл бұрын
@@cookingwithphindile4525 you are a sell out.
@fanamlawuli6761
@fanamlawuli6761 2 жыл бұрын
@@gerrald5272 only a matter of time my brother, greatness awaits us
@zionlee3644
@zionlee3644 2 жыл бұрын
AMEN!!!!!
@MightyMike55
@MightyMike55 2 жыл бұрын
I’m white and love the EFF
@mosalethoba5267
@mosalethoba5267 2 жыл бұрын
We love you back Mei broer
@smcptrsa
@smcptrsa 2 жыл бұрын
I'm coloured so I'm black and white! I love the eff coz they make me laugh better than Trevor Noah does but I hate the eff coz they are racist towards Afrikaans people also known as the boer or boere, they have a nasty song kiss the boer but we all know that they had another word in place of kiss, the dance is they make a gun sign with their fingers as they chant the word kiss, I also hate anyone who is racist towards black people, Indian people or any coloured people.
@n.m6249
@n.m6249 2 жыл бұрын
Please stay in SA and help build South Africa and fight racism. We need people like you who actually love South Africa not those who only want to make money from South Africa and run away when things get hard
@smcptrsa
@smcptrsa 2 жыл бұрын
@@top-gnews8333 your comments don't even make sense, I said I am colored meaning I am mixed race, meaning I come from all the races, black, white, Indian, Malaysian, probably Dutch, I am not trying to be black and I am not trying to be white and I am not trying to be Indian and I am not trying to be all those other races either, I am simply saying that all colored people have all the races in them so we just are all those things, we are mixed meaning we can be many things and we are not trying to be, we just are, we don't want to be, we just are, you can't change who or what you are, I am proudly colored meaning I am proud to be a bit of everything and I am not racist because I know I am made up of a mix of all races whether I like it or not, whether I want it or not. Get it now? It seems like you are the racist one! And what are you talking about rapists?
@MightyMike55
@MightyMike55 2 жыл бұрын
@@smcptrsa only in South Africa is there such a thing as “coloured” any where else in the world you are BLACK. Dude liberate your mind and let this confusion end with you and not continue with your children. Mixed means unauthentic, weak, lacking substance, lacking vigour etc… should I go on?
@rofhiwamuleba2701
@rofhiwamuleba2701 2 жыл бұрын
thats stupidity by EFF
@oscarmakgaka4840
@oscarmakgaka4840 2 жыл бұрын
Foetsek
@marabunya
@marabunya 2 жыл бұрын
These guys speak truth to power. I don't see myself voting EFF ever but I have to agree, some times they wake up with working heads and they speak powerful things.
@unitedkingdomofngunipeople4959
@unitedkingdomofngunipeople4959 2 жыл бұрын
WE SUPPORT RUSSIA! RUSSIA'S SECURITY CONCERNS MUST BE CONSIDERED!!
@wandiledlamini2591
@wandiledlamini2591 2 жыл бұрын
Amen
@markscheepers9908
@markscheepers9908 2 жыл бұрын
I listened to this man in disbelief, and his complete bias views about the Russia/Ukraine conflict, and the "double standards" used by the EFF. Ukraine is a sovereign nation, which as an independent country can do what they wish to do (without consulting it's neighbours for their permission). The USSR (Russia) controlled this country by force for almost 45 year (since the end of WWII) and Ukraine finally got their freedom & independence sometime after the fall of the USSR 1991. Here is why Shivambu's remarks are contradictory (when compared with his party's own political views - I will SA as a comparison): Like the Ukrainians, South Africa (SA) was controlled and governed by an oppression regime (the apartheid regime), similarly Ukraine has been under the control by the USSR. We celebrated the end of our oppression in 1994 much like the Ukrainians did after 1991 after many once foreign nations split from the USSR. So, why does Shivambu not see this as EFF double-standards? Would he be okay if the old regime resumed here in SA? Obviously not, yet he speaks against a country that wants the same, their sovereignty (which they once had)...so why the EFF double standards? We have our sovereignty, why can't they have theirs? The EFF complains about the Donbas region, a region inside the Ukraine that is backed by Russian separatist that have been fighting Ukrainians since 2014 (maybe ever earlier) - this land belongs to Ukraine and is inside their country (this is similar to SA's own version of Donbas - Oranje, the tiny area where Afrikaners have stated they want their own independence. The EFF policy is critical towards this request stating that Oranje "belongs" to South Africa and they or the South African government cannot consider this a legitimate request by those people. So why the double-standards with Ukrainians demanding the same with the Donbas region which is part of their country?). The Donbas region has Russia's living there demanding their own sovereignty, in a part of the country that "belongs" to Ukraine (how is it that the EFF complains about Ukraine's refusal to hand-over a part of their country to Russian groups but refuse to see the similarity with Oranje, which they reject?...again, these are EFF double-standards). As for the "genocide" claims by Shivambu, where is the proof, he just accepts Russia's claims. Russia has made many claims about Ukraine e.g. "denazification" of the country, yet they have not provided a single shred of evidence for these claims. They also claim they want to "disarm" the country...based on the current situation in Ukraine it is evident that Ukrainian "arms" and not a threat to Russia and nowhere matches that of Russia. So what disarming is Russia talking about? This sounds more like Russia wanting the Ukrainians to be defenseless, so that Russia can at will force their opinions on a sovereign nation. What about the NATO issue? As I already stated, Ukraine is a sovereign nation who should have the right to "join" whom they will without interference from their neighbours. Besides NATO has many times turned down Ukraine's request to become a NATO member because of Russia's concerns. Okay, so what are Russia's concerns really? How does NATO fit into this? - Russia is one of the world's largest nuclear powers and they claim their concern is having a NATO "armed" country right next-door to them. Ukraine had nuclear weapons before the USSR split, but Ukraine turned these all over to Russia in the 1990's, so Ukraine presently has none. Again Russia assumes NATO will arm Ukraine with nuke's yet they make claims without evidence...if Ukraine had joined NATO and this was happening then it is understandable for their actions, but no proof exist to suggest this, so this is just Russian tactics to control another country. What about Ukraine's Western influenced policies? This is by far the biggest concern for Putin. Why? because Putin rules Russia as an autocrat and he fears that the Russian people living so close to a "democratic" country will get ideas about democratic life-styles and demand the same from their Russian government. All of what is currently happening against Ukraine has to do with the Russian people's possible future demands on their own country when they compare it to a westernised Ukraine. Putin has ruled as an autocrat for over 20 years and has no real political opposition and more than anything else wants this to be the status-quo in Russia...his worst fear is that this could change someday. This is surely the biggest "least obvious" reason for his aggression against a sovereign nation like Ukraine. After this war, which of Russia's other neighbours will be the next concern?...and if this war with Ukraine goes Putin's way, there will be others...For this reason the world needs to reject Putin's war on Ukraine, now. We as South African's wanted democracy for a long time and now that we have it, it is undoubtedly something we would not give up easily, yet it is disappointing seeing South African's like Shivambu who has this liberty, not wanting other's like the Ukrainians to have similar. South Africa's allegiance: Which ever way we look at this conflict between Russia & the Ukraine, Ukrainians are the under-dogs and Russia the bully (we have seen this happen before as with the USA & Iraq and the consequences of this bully tactics - much of the world condemned it then, as we should now do with Russia). Least we forget that it was not the help from the USSR in the days of apartheid that finally freed SA from it's oppression, but rather from western persistent sanctions. When we became a democracy, Mandela visited western nations for assistance & fund raising, not Russia or China. So it is unfortunate that the EFF claims to fight for things like liberty for the South African people but it's policies contradict this in many of their actions, and we see this first-hand now with their bias allegiance with Russia (who has never really done anything for SA - if you disagree, show me the proof otherwise?). South Africa should be on the side of righteousness, not political gain (the victors of the last 2 world wars proves that it is important to be on the side of righteousness).
@swanepoel4714
@swanepoel4714 2 жыл бұрын
@@markscheepers9908 agree with you
@nomatusi7514
@nomatusi7514 2 жыл бұрын
@@markscheepers9908 Read the history. After the unification of Germany. NATO was not supposed to expand eastward.
@markscheepers9908
@markscheepers9908 2 жыл бұрын
@@nomatusi7514 Are you listening to yourself, whose idea prevented this "eastern expansion"? Not the west but rather Russia, based on their fears of western ideologies like democracy spreading eastwards. That has always been Russia's fears since communism started, yet their ideologies they spread after WWII to include all of those countries that later got their independence after the USSR fell, these have always been Russia's double-standards. The bottom-line is, Putin fears westernization because it removes autocrat's being in power for as long they want to be, so this has nothing to do with the Russian people but rather dictatorship as that currently enjoyed by Putin. This man would "turn on" his own people to maintain his ideology. Also you call this "RUSSIA'S SECURITY CONCERNS", when this is actually Putin's security concerns, to secure his ideology and not the security for the majority of the Russian people who easily transitioned after the fall of the USSR into a semi-westernized culture. That is why Putin fears Ukraine's democratic westernization, because the Russian people may request a similar path for their country and Putin knows this.
@YETI_312
@YETI_312 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree✊🏽✊🏽
@conqueringlion770
@conqueringlion770 2 жыл бұрын
Fill a boeing and send the eff to russia. Go help the comrades.. The eff can proof their fighting capabilities..
@shisuiuchiha480
@shisuiuchiha480 2 жыл бұрын
You go help Ukrainians they are on the losing hand. They desperately need foot soldiers.
@rstrajt9220
@rstrajt9220 2 жыл бұрын
If SA starts resembling Russia, the EFF will be the first to start complaining.
@angrysocialjusticewarrior
@angrysocialjusticewarrior 2 жыл бұрын
Having diplomatic ties with Russia does not mean we want to be like Russia. Its important to know the difference.
@jonye7511
@jonye7511 2 жыл бұрын
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior Comrade, Cadre, district model, national democratic revolution, small group of elite with ties to leadership. Those are terms from which failed ideology originating where?
@lilacer6841
@lilacer6841 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonye7511 isnt that what happens in America?
@jonye7511
@jonye7511 2 жыл бұрын
@@lilacer6841 You tell me.
@rstrajt9220
@rstrajt9220 2 жыл бұрын
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior Oh but clearly they do want to be just like Russia. They clearly don't know the difference.
@Thozama280
@Thozama280 2 жыл бұрын
Fire young lion🙏
@kingsqueensrecordsbarbados9746
@kingsqueensrecordsbarbados9746 2 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up to Hon. Shivambu.
@southafricaismyhome814
@southafricaismyhome814 2 жыл бұрын
Russians help fight APARTHIED IN SOUTHAFICA we. Salute Russians
@tameimpala37
@tameimpala37 2 жыл бұрын
So did the Western countries. But will you salute them?
@londanintshangase
@londanintshangase 2 жыл бұрын
@@tameimpala37 lol that’s laughable, the same countries that were benefiting from our enslavement also fought for our liberation??? They only put sanctions once’s it was very clear that the international community was against the Apartheid government and they could not hold on to power for much longer.
@smcptrsa
@smcptrsa 2 жыл бұрын
Talk 4 your self. I salute Mandela and deklerk for our freedom. Don't judge people how they used to be, judge them how they are now.
@johnsmit7203
@johnsmit7203 2 жыл бұрын
@@londanintshangase pray tell how western nations benefitted from your enslavement??
@Pamela-ek9cp
@Pamela-ek9cp 2 жыл бұрын
And we love Russia
@OMEGA1995
@OMEGA1995 2 жыл бұрын
More wisdom my brother, Viva EFF Viva Africa
@brianpetersen1179
@brianpetersen1179 2 жыл бұрын
I don't like the eff becoz of the way they protest destroying shops but what this guy is saying is right
@alfredmonene9294
@alfredmonene9294 2 жыл бұрын
YOUR GRANDFATHERS KILD BLACKS, KNOW WE ARE SUFERING BECUASE OF YOUR GRANDFATHER
@godfreymashabane4372
@godfreymashabane4372 2 жыл бұрын
Which EFF are you talking about that destroys shops are you day dreaming sir please wake up before it is too late
@southafricaismyhome814
@southafricaismyhome814 2 жыл бұрын
Russians can highjack ANC elections for Eff 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂
@mduduzihow3062
@mduduzihow3062 2 жыл бұрын
Americans will regime change you just like Iraq.
@sandindamae.iwantmetowin5652
@sandindamae.iwantmetowin5652 2 жыл бұрын
We need radical youth to lead south Africa..
@ganasgovender375
@ganasgovender375 2 жыл бұрын
I believe so that's why the EFF is in support of the Russians.
@mduduzihow3062
@mduduzihow3062 2 жыл бұрын
You mean ANC lost all metros because of Russia, indeed you a tap dancer of blue eyed and blonde hair people.
@southafricaismyhome814
@southafricaismyhome814 2 жыл бұрын
@@mduduzihow3062 check check Russians history in ANC
@naremoabelo6434
@naremoabelo6434 2 жыл бұрын
They must take Botha and put him in the homes, they must make sure he does not show his agly head.
@mannetjie3248
@mannetjie3248 2 жыл бұрын
'agly'😅🤣😂😆...you are stupid🤭😝
@lethabomatlala2959
@lethabomatlala2959 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@thulanisilence2359
@thulanisilence2359 2 жыл бұрын
You can't take solly mapaila serious🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@philipossei-berkoh7641
@philipossei-berkoh7641 2 жыл бұрын
This man is spot on he knows history and geopolitics.
@dailyshowtelevisiondstv5585
@dailyshowtelevisiondstv5585 2 жыл бұрын
Chivambu l think you are doing well in your cartoon politics in SA, this is a big war for you to utter those words...keep quite
@mphotheapologeticsguy2685
@mphotheapologeticsguy2685 2 жыл бұрын
Black par excellence as always 😁
@mannetjie3248
@mannetjie3248 2 жыл бұрын
Your statement is a paradox🤔
@stickyjgaming4728
@stickyjgaming4728 2 жыл бұрын
WE MUST BUY DICOUNTED OIL FROM THEM LIKE INDIA IS DOING
@mkdempisi
@mkdempisi 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about that. We can't be buying oil for 130 a barrel and expected to go up.
@harryramphele7102
@harryramphele7102 2 жыл бұрын
SABC is always running of time when interviewing our leaders, EFF's Deputy President, Floyd Shivambu .
@mannetjie3248
@mannetjie3248 2 жыл бұрын
It is because the EFF's farts are so long-winded...
@harryramphele7102
@harryramphele7102 2 жыл бұрын
@@mannetjie3248 I don't think so
@t.h5823
@t.h5823 2 жыл бұрын
on point, got to like this one
@troygovend3233
@troygovend3233 2 жыл бұрын
You must be mad siding Russia
@schlix101
@schlix101 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe it would be best if Malema, Shivambu and the entire EFF emigrate to Russia then!!! And leave South Africa alone!
@chongvavricka8383
@chongvavricka8383 2 жыл бұрын
EFF making things better. Centric is the best I deposit $3000 every month and I’m making $18000 monthly.
@gabrielsarah63
@gabrielsarah63 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! I’m gonna reach there !!! I deposit $500 and got $3000 I will keep upgrading
@johnsmit7203
@johnsmit7203 2 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielsarah63 so it is true. A fool and his money is soon parted?
@gertsteenkamp6970
@gertsteenkamp6970 2 жыл бұрын
I'm understand EFF. I know EFF fight always for ANC. ANC like crime and steal money.
@hopes9451
@hopes9451 2 жыл бұрын
Go to Orania and sleep racist white troll.
@langamaphumulo5009
@langamaphumulo5009 2 жыл бұрын
I am not here to talk about America and its allies and all that they have done/have not done in the past.But to those whom stand with Russia,let me ask how much do you know about the country? Russian citizens are controlled by government,they are not allowed to express their opinions like other people do in democratic societies,if you protest you get arrested.Those whom challenge Putin(The Russian leader)disappear or get poisened and consider themselves lucky if they live to see another day.So how does South Africa stand with such a country? Again this is not about the US and NATO.This is about Russia invading a democratic country.Imagine if a particular non democratic country invaded South Africa which is a democratic country,that's what Russia is doing in Ukraine,so how do you stand with such? Ai my brothers and sisters you kill me truth be told!!
@gugumgabhi5316
@gugumgabhi5316 2 жыл бұрын
Very well said. Much appreciated EFF
@modsa8901
@modsa8901 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Never thought I would agree with EFF. Well done EFF with shedding "factual" light on this highly complex issue.
@estellewadsworth4187
@estellewadsworth4187 2 жыл бұрын
I doubt the EFF KNOW HOW TO PRESENT FACTS. DUD THRY PRESENT THE FACTS TO YOU WHEN THEY CRIPPLED CLICKS AND STAFF DUE TO A SHAMPOO AD BEING OFFENSIVE. YOU CALL THEM INSIGHTFUL WHEN THEY CUT OFF THEIR NOSE TO SPITE THEUR FACE AND THAT OF THE MASSES DEPENDENT ON THEIR JOBS. IF THIS IS WISDOM FOR YOU THEN I PRAY YOU HIT THE BIBLE FOR GOD'S VERSION OF WISDOM. YOU WILL BE SURPRISED TO LEARN OF WISDOM AND THE EFF DON'T REPRESENT THAT.
@lethabomatlala2959
@lethabomatlala2959 2 жыл бұрын
🙄
@silvamanjanja4595
@silvamanjanja4595 2 жыл бұрын
DP 💪
@alfredmonene9294
@alfredmonene9294 2 жыл бұрын
EFF I LOVE YOU STRAIGHT TO THE POINT
@fnkasoma
@fnkasoma 2 жыл бұрын
Very true my leader Floyd
@nation_ceezwe
@nation_ceezwe 2 жыл бұрын
Yes...
@tonydimegwu691
@tonydimegwu691 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview
@antoniogaines8619
@antoniogaines8619 2 жыл бұрын
Africa 🌍 💫 great example although black African is a european name so you want no who you really are all the nation in the world has had a name change compared to are ancient ancestors original name and titles 🎺💫
@samuelhillary8357
@samuelhillary8357 2 жыл бұрын
Its immoral to supportt that destruction in Ukraine. Look at that misery in Ukraine
@n.m6249
@n.m6249 2 жыл бұрын
Did you not see the same misery in Palestine, Yemen, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Congo. Oh apartheid also equates to war. Were you too blind because those people were not white. Not that white people are suffering your conscience has woken
@samanthataylor1761
@samanthataylor1761 2 жыл бұрын
Why don’t you say the same about Syria, Libya, Iraq, Sudan… and more?
@eduardmurison9358
@eduardmurison9358 2 жыл бұрын
I can see his soviet roots🤣
@mamadytraore5797
@mamadytraore5797 2 жыл бұрын
No , what you see are Africans standing with those that stood and stand with them against colonizers. AND all of Ukraine allies are former colonizers
@lebohangmohono9475
@lebohangmohono9475 2 жыл бұрын
Master Floyd, teach!
@lethabomatlala2959
@lethabomatlala2959 2 жыл бұрын
But really...how does one still ill-talk of the EFF? This organization is the government self, Bakone. Brilliance of the DP as always. Yaahhh...truly knowledge is power. Those who are still delaying their wisdom acquisition...wake up and give yourself time to listen to the EFF's narrative...you shall be wise. Long live EFF long live✊✊✊. We love you soooo much🥰😍🤩🥳🥳🥳
@mapitsorangaka1030
@mapitsorangaka1030 2 жыл бұрын
He did not say "I do not know him" 🤔
@bahatimedia
@bahatimedia 2 жыл бұрын
Great talk
@irasbrown9759
@irasbrown9759 2 жыл бұрын
"Would you say it is the Ucranian government"? Just found your channel.
@afribu4455
@afribu4455 2 жыл бұрын
Now they opened their mouths 👄 why they didn’t say any things about Irak , Libya, syria and many more countries.
@worldecclesiasticalclub8357
@worldecclesiasticalclub8357 2 жыл бұрын
"Equal & Indivisible Security"....Shivambu...do you listen to yourself?
@mduduzihow3062
@mduduzihow3062 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed he is listening to himself and we love him and again Viva Russia.
@alfredmonene9294
@alfredmonene9294 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE EFF NO SMALL WHITE BOY COMMANDER INSITE EFF
@jonye7511
@jonye7511 2 жыл бұрын
It sounds impressive to the 30 percenters who haven't got a clue.
@Vivo34700
@Vivo34700 2 жыл бұрын
Shivanbu telling the truths I'm agree with you and you are spot on
@mikesnyman8346
@mikesnyman8346 2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised... I would've thought all comedians are on the same side.
@afribu4455
@afribu4455 2 жыл бұрын
It’s shame they dictate by USA 🇺🇸 and Europe to which country they want to be how they want it.
@malewardtindi385
@malewardtindi385 2 жыл бұрын
What cause this war United States was suppose to be neutral
@gugukhambule8250
@gugukhambule8250 2 жыл бұрын
👍🙌
@arnoldlawrence3465
@arnoldlawrence3465 2 жыл бұрын
EFF my lifetime political party
@littleninjamofo9841
@littleninjamofo9841 2 жыл бұрын
FLOYD IS TALKING SENSE AT LAST. HE SHOULD DITCH THE RED OVERALLS AND MALEMA EFF NOW. START YOUR OWN NEW PARTY FOR ALL THE PEOPLE OF SA. PUTIN A TRUE ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN IS FIGHTING REAL EVIL.
@mduduziMavundla7242
@mduduziMavundla7242 2 жыл бұрын
VIVA the EFF
@nerdyb411
@nerdyb411 2 жыл бұрын
What a waste of Floyd's time
@johnsmit7203
@johnsmit7203 2 жыл бұрын
What a waste of my time.
@samanthataylor1761
@samanthataylor1761 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnsmit7203 why did you waste your own time? 😂
@heindrichsaal8294
@heindrichsaal8294 2 жыл бұрын
🤦
@siphokuhlemoyonomaxaba2826
@siphokuhlemoyonomaxaba2826 2 жыл бұрын
Even me I stand with Russia
@missqt48
@missqt48 2 жыл бұрын
So Do I, you neighbour 🇿🇲, I’ve never had any interest in European history but I took an interest in Russia when my cousins were sponsored to study there! I admire Putin leadership skills, the country is self sustained and they are one of the top 5 worthiest countries. This war did not just start overnight! It has been going on for close to a decade! There’s so much that we are not aware of but what I do know is Americas big nose is involved in this whole malarkey 🙄
@tumelosithebe1000
@tumelosithebe1000 2 жыл бұрын
shame on you shivambu l wonder on which world you reside on
@mduduzihow3062
@mduduzihow3062 2 жыл бұрын
Viva EFF and Viva Russia.
@littleninjamofo9841
@littleninjamofo9841 2 жыл бұрын
FLOYD IS TALKING SENSE AT LAST. HE SHOULD DITCH THE RED OVERALLS AND MALEMA EFF NOW. START YOUR OWN NEW PARTY FOR ALL THE PEOPLE OF SA. PUTIN A TRUE ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN IS FIGHTING REAL EVIL.
@stonedassassin187
@stonedassassin187 2 жыл бұрын
So Russia sponsors the EFF financially.
@balenidumisani296
@balenidumisani296 2 жыл бұрын
Lol fxck you man. You just spewing bile
@philipbanda6637
@philipbanda6637 2 жыл бұрын
So USA and UK support DA
@rockrabbit253
@rockrabbit253 2 жыл бұрын
Juju was trying to sell Russian vaccines. No surprise at all.
@tfmkhonza5084
@tfmkhonza5084 2 жыл бұрын
@@rockrabbit253 no the drugs from USA
@jmkruger1747
@jmkruger1747 2 жыл бұрын
No, from what I understand it is a UK based billionaire (oligarch) who have donated money to the EFF, but that's all I know.
@LeonKotze70
@LeonKotze70 2 жыл бұрын
Who gives a crap what Floyd says???
@cyabongamahlase6129
@cyabongamahlase6129 2 жыл бұрын
You
@LeonKotze70
@LeonKotze70 2 жыл бұрын
@@cyabongamahlase6129 why do you think that?
@nhloniphoingqwele5433
@nhloniphoingqwele5433 2 жыл бұрын
If you didn't you wouldn't be here making stupid comments
@jeanmarievianneysindayigay7716
@jeanmarievianneysindayigay7716 2 жыл бұрын
I salute EFF ,
@mariabekker6470
@mariabekker6470 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@josiahmanganyi5359
@josiahmanganyi5359 2 жыл бұрын
Floyd does'nt understand himself!Zondo was appointed by Zuma and why must he recuse himself from the commission?Ramaphosa appointed Zondo now for Chief Justice!Does that now means one day when Ramaphosa is hauled before the court he must recuse himself!Why?
@immanuelmanganyi7360
@immanuelmanganyi7360 2 жыл бұрын
Magoda, Do you know how many names was President zuma given by CJ mogoeng after the ruling b tge court? president Zuma claimed that he had a relationship with DCJ zondo and DCJ confirmed that during the interview but denied that when he was requested to recuse himself by President Zuma's legal team. no contradiction here magoda just familiarize yourself with what happened during the state capture commission especially why President Zuma wanted to recuse himself.
@Coco-kw3iv
@Coco-kw3iv 2 жыл бұрын
Zondo was NOT employed by Zuma wena. Zondo was PRESENTED to Zuma to employ/announce... Ninjani Na? Hhay suka!!!
@awribalhidugagk2949
@awribalhidugagk2949 2 жыл бұрын
We love Russia
@mrtshepo4216
@mrtshepo4216 2 жыл бұрын
This VBS robber is intelligent....
@andilesibawu2711
@andilesibawu2711 2 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahahshshshshs😁😁😁
@laudenkirk153
@laudenkirk153 2 жыл бұрын
So America has western cape. Russia and china have the rest of South Africa. When Susie cannel closes then point of africa will be the j of the world.
@nhloniphoingqwele5433
@nhloniphoingqwele5433 2 жыл бұрын
Western Cape is a camp for western imperialism in Africa.
@johnshamu5778
@johnshamu5778 2 жыл бұрын
Uuuuu i was always supporting EFF but this time you get it wrong are you saying what we see on TV is not happening uuuuuuu if you can lie about something that we see what if EFF be come a gvt.
@ChessNoobX
@ChessNoobX 2 жыл бұрын
Yes yes yes
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