Efficiency Showdown! Rivian R1T vs Ford F-150 Lightning - Which Is The Most Frugal Electric Truck?

Kyle and Jordan head out to see if the Rivian R1T Quad Motor Large Battery Pack is more or less efficient than the Ford F-150 Lightning Platinum Extended Range Battery version. Hope you enjoy!
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[@davva360]

The Lightning is impressive to be honest, to be so much bigger and so close in efficiency was surprising. Very interesting test

[@a4Audi2153]

Its also slower with fewer motors if im not mistaken.

[@noassruncis3963]

F-150 dealer price 135 000 $

[@LearningFast]

The biggest takeaway from this test is that both of these EV trucks are extremely capable.

[@howlers8]

oh agreed. I'd still take the F150 over the rivian though. ahh if only I had the money

[@dennissmith7214]

@@howlers8 😳😆😆👌🏽 …………If I did truck stufff more than not yeah the f150 would be my choice but I would have to go with the more specialty Rivian as I don’t do that kinda stuff often and would actually take the R1T off road from time to time! 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@skyhawk21]

Capable of what battery degradation and no mile range for trips???

[@frbe0101]

@@howlers8 The rivian is more sporty and camping, the F150 is more for hard work.

[@Obxhatman]

Capable of not using gas , but not capable of doing what the majority of people buying a truck need it to do , that is , tow , haul , and do work. Without a lot of planning on where and when to charge. That is the main component to a truck. Rivian never promoted itself to be a truck you work out of , it is said to be more of an adventure truck for off road use. It is that. Ford claims to be a work truck and no matter how you slice it , EV trucks are years away from being close to what they need to be for that purpose , no matter the brand.

[@LearningFast]

The extra effort Kyle does to make sure these tests are done properly is definitely appreciated. Nobody does more reliable and accurate tests than Kyle does.

[@michaelabsher8341]

Its that why they tested on a day the Ford won't have to use its old technology heating system that will kill range in a real cold environment?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

"Accurate tests" Haven't seen Bjørn then?

[@bluetoad2668]

Companies don't loan vehicles to people who give honest reviews. Of course,why would they?

[@tommorrow5299]

Ha ha ha ha! Bless your heart!

[@0920121908250727]

Would be curious how much more efficiency the Rivian has with tonneau cover closed and in Conserve Mode. I find my R1T I’m Conserve Mode impressive. Don’t use it unless range anxiety creeps in, but nice to know it is there! Impressed by the Ford in this test!

[@Leggir]

As Adam stated, the truck with the tonneau cover closed is less efficient. I did a 400 mile round trip last Saturday with my 2016 Colorado and tried with the cover (Bakflip) open and closed and got 0.7 L/100 km less (1.4 MPG-US more) with it open. I'm going to put my chin splitter back on next week as I don't off-road anymore, but in testing I got about 3 MPG-US more or 1.5L/100 km less when the splitter was on prior.

[@TylerZ]

@@adamgreen911 The Rivian was designed with the tonneau cover in mind - rear wing over the cab directs air to reattach smoothly to the bed with the tonneau cover closed. It's not a big difference, but the Rivian is different than other trucks in that way.

[@h8GW]

IN MY DAY Mythbusters already concluded that open bed, tailgate up is the most efficient.

[@Rhaman68]

I find it odd that you elect not to use a more efficient mode that leads to longer range and less cost per mile. Would you please expand as to why? Thanks

[@0920121908250727]

@@Rhaman68 Conserve Mode disconnects the rear motors on the Rivian. This puts more stress on the front motors. I also don't think it's as safe as All Purpose Mode with all four motors due to the one pedal driving and the reduced amount of regen you get in Conserve Mode when you take your foot off the accelerator if you're rapidly trying to go to the brake pedal. It's also going to wear your front tires down more rapidly. I do find I use Conserve Mode more in the winter when I'm goosing extra mileage or I'm doing highway driving.

[@dannywinget]

The Ford did way better than I thought it would!

[@robertfuller9522]

I’m glad you put the trucks side by side for a size comparison.

[@mini2nut67]

That’s exactly what I clicked on the video. It appears that the Rivian is a 7/8 size of the F150. I would love to see a front, rear, and side comparison between the two.

[@davidrhp847]

Rivian R1T STARTING AT: $79,500 ....... Ford F-150 Lightning STARTING AT: $41,769 How is that a comparison?

[@timberwofe333]

@@davidrhp847 Yeah I'd buy a Lightning right now if I could get one at base trim and pricing, but I don't think Ford is going to prioritize the low trims for production and also by the time they do get around to selling the low cost base model they will have likely long ago eaten away at the federal tax credit incentive. I have reservations for both the R1T and Lightning but it appears that the R1T is going to be available to me first and will have the federal tax incentive and I reserved it in Nov 2021 so I'm locked in at the lower pricing from before March 2022 so that may just make the R1T a good buy because I just can't get my hands on a base model Lightning any time soon from what I can tell.

[@robertfuller9522]

@@davidrhp847 not a price comparison but a size comparison. I did not realize the Rivian was more like a bigger midsize truck, the Ford is a good bit bigger overall.

[@matthewsometimesmatt3620]

@@davidrhp847 Rivian base model has way more features and luxuries and capability than the Lightning base model. To get comparable in the Lightning, you are at or exceeding the Rivian base price model. Not to mention, anecdotally, most Ford dealers are tacking on a 20-50% markup to the MSRP of the Lightning, so your actual cost will be nowhere near the Starting At price.

[@DetroitBORG]

It's striking just how much quieter the Lighthing is compared to the Rivian.

[@bruceryan5919]

another metric that is dependent on info we can't be sure of.

[@bossturbo]

Different phones/microphones, who's to say.

[@mini2nut67]

@@adamgreen911 Shocked that this wasn’t discovered on the test mules. Didn’t any of the test drivers notice this?

[@billwaterhouse5894]

@@adamgreen911 🤔...interesting statement, almost like you're in the know?

[@mini2nut67]

@@adamgreen911 I agree. The “let’s get it to market now” probably overrode the cost involved in retrofitting existing vehicles when a newer seal became available

[@monono954]

As a note: you're not measuring efficiency, you're measuring economy.

[@ben3989]

Please explain further

[@JonathanHair]

Thank you! Even the OEMs get this wrong. Economy is how far you travel on a given energy, efficiency is the ratio of energy out of a system to in. They are not the same thing!

[@oblivianation9759]

@@JonathanHair that's racist and the gender fluid fenders make it confusing.

[@dominichanna6406]

@monono954 @Jonathan Hair this can technically be counted as an extension of efficiency your energy dispersed by the battery compared to how much of that energy is actually converted distance traveled as distance is a component of work and energy. It’s not exactly efficiency as it’s missing the force and time components to go with distance. But from the consumer perspective how much distance they can get/kWh is more important than kWH out/kWh in. The industry isn’t perfect but economy is not measured in thermodynamics efficiency is that’s why it’s called efficiency.

[@JonathanHair]

@@dominichanna6406 distance is not a measure of energy. So it's the wrong term.

[@AlexRapada-ft6tm]

Probably the most busiest EV reviewer on youtube hands down. Keep it up!!

[@curtisbme]

Interesting to see them so close so that you really can get a feel for how much bigger the 150 is.

[@kirkm3354]

The Rivian truly feels like something new and special the Ford is just a regular truck that is electric.

[@hotrod7603]

That's what ford wants the lightning is a work truck meanwhile the rivian is a toy

[@torocars9227]

@@hotrod7603 Ford isn’t ? The real toy are people buying the Lighting thinking they will get its advertised price. Dealership and Ford are toying with the market.

[@scenicdepictionsofchicagolife]

I mean that's the point... The F150 lightning is just another engine type option. Ford has always offered tons of different engine options for the F150. Multiple gas, hybrid, diesel, and now electric powertrains is what the F series has always been about. They aren't going to make a "special" version for the electric customers cause that makes no sense when the base platform is already so good. EV customers are not special nor are EVs themselves. It's just a car.

[@hallkbrdz]

@@scenicdepictionsofchicagolife Actually they have stated they are. The next F150 lightning (v2) is supposed to be a ground-up design. Now I take that with a big grain of salt, however I could see many changes to the frame to gain space for larger batteries and easier mounting for motors.

[@darpompie4354]

As someone that's in construction and uses Trucks, a truck is exactly what I want. "feeling new and special" are for people that want to take a leisurely stroll to the lake and stare at their truck instead of enjoying the lake. Having a mobile power plant for all your tools is a game changer. Having a huge frunk with low entry and power outlets is a game changer. The larger and standard size of the F150 gives access to the billion accessories out there for the f150. Zone lighting all around the truck is a detail that so many miss in these reviews and is vastly important. And lastly, that F150 you call "a regular truck" has been the best selling vehicle for decades. There is a reason for that and it's called having decades of input and experience of fine tuning trucks. Rivian is also teetering on survivability. Having a fleet of work truck and then realizing you have no where to service them is a no go for any business that relies on their trucks. The Rivian seems to be a great truck for people who are use to cars, or are lifestyle enthusiast and can deal with the risks in the event the company goes bankrupt. To say the Rivian has some magic beans that make it special. I'll give that a hard eye roll. For our company, the reputation, experience, and capability of the F150 makes it the only choice at this time.

[@simonthebroken9691]

Great test. Thanks. Looking forward to the towing comparisons the most. Thank you soo much for the work you guys do.

[@commanderroddi7742]

For the price of an XLT/Lariat, THe lightning is really impressing me!

[@thomasjacques5286]

that led light gap on the F-150 is not what I expected from legacy manufacturers and the vehicle they have been building for half a century.

[@mramseyISU]

I saw a lariat spec Lightning on Sunday and the fit and finish on the grill wasn’t as good as I was expecting.

[@GregHassler]

Everyone crushes Tesla for "build quality" but that kind of thing is 100% par for the course for Ford, and nobody bats an eye.

[@nikladk1996]

For the Europeans: the Lightning's 1.9 mi/kwh is about 32.7 kwh/100km

[@peterryan7340]

Thank you

[@jm100368]

How many stones does the Lightning weigh?

[@KamleshMallick]

What is the wH/km number. I just don’t get the kWh/100 km reading. Efficiency is best when you express in terms of wH/km

[@nikladk1996]

@@KamleshMallick 327, it's the same number, just multiply it with 10

[@KamleshMallick]

@@nikladk1996 that is high. Thank you!

[@rodneylw10]

Great review. A couple things, you said, "this is the least efficient F150 Lightning you can buy. That is because it has the big battery" Which is true as the Platinum comes standard with the extended range battery; however, you mentioned something that is important to "towing truck" peeps that is a major difference- payload rating. See, the payload is the weight the trucks can carry, not pull. It includes all cargo and people and, wait for it...tongue weight of your trailer- all subtracted from that payload. The Rivian 1T is rated at 11K towing (pull weight) and carry 1760 lbs. The Rivian 1S is 7.7K towing and 1800 lbs. payload. The F150 Lightning tows up to 10K, less pull power than the Rivian but, depending on trim level, can carry up to 2235 lbs. according to Ford. The loaded platinum is around 1850# My point is that it isn't just about the bed size but a tongue weight benefit too. I REALLY like the Rivian. The Rivian looks like a mid-sized truck and would also handle better just by looking. The Rivian is like sporty and the F150 like a Lincoln or similar. The R1T might be closer to the Lariat trim. The Platinum is real wood, etc. The Rivian road and vehicular noise was evident compared to the tomb-like Ford. I have an Airstream with a 1000# tongue so tongue weight is critical to me. Thanks for a great comparison. I believe they are both great trucks. I ordered a Platinum F150 hybrid as my truck is my daily driver and also my towing vehicle. I have calculated that it is about 100-120 towing miles per charge with either the Rivan or the Lightning based on the youtube review tests so far. MotorTrend guess months ago that the Lightning would tow about 100 miles or less. I cannot drive two hours to charge almost two hours (1:45 min to full they say). I am looking for the day when we can tow 400 miles with an EV! The big surprise to me was the Lightning. Bravo truck makers on your first EV renditions!

[@jghall00]

I would be ok with 200 miles and 800V charging. I can only go 250 with my camper in my Expedition now. The fuel savings would be worth the range tradeoff. Also need pull through chargers.

[@ebubeawachie]

Brilliant comments but please use paragraphs and spacing 😩

[@GuyOnYouTube]

I was coming here to post this, but you beat me to it. Raw tow rating doesn’t really mean much on its own, it’s important to also consider payload capacity. I was surprised by how low the Rivian payload capacity was. With 4 American sized adults, you’re talking about ~ 300 extra pounds for their bags and luggage. Not much of an adventure if you ask me. In the lighting, you could actually have 4 people and their luggage / belongings and have enough payload to spare to actually bring adventure with you. I was also impressed by how close the 2 vehicles were efficiency wise, especially considering this was the platinum. I’d think the lariat extended range would be about on par, and the standard range models be potentially even better efficiency wise which is seriously impressive given the vast size and capacity differences. Although, I would be curious to see how much the conserve mode in the Rivian helps out. Perhaps what surprised me the most was that when dc fact charging, that ~55 mile trip cost them almost $11 to charge. That’s more expensive than an F150 gas ecoboost on the highway that gets only 24mpg with gas at $4.50-5 / gallon! I always thought ford jumping straight to EV was a bit of an oversight. The sweet spot would really be a plug in hybrid model of the F150 or even maverick. If they could offer ~30-40 miles all electric range it would cover most people’s daily commute to give the benefit of having an EV, with none of th sacrifice of reduced range and lengthy charging times when taking longer road trips or towing. Especially when you consider the cost of dc fast charging actually seems to be more expensive per mile than conventional gasoline pickup trucks currently! 😅😂

[@kng128]

The electric utility charges for DCFC make the per kwh price of electricity more expensive than driving an ICE vehicle getting 22-24mpg or better. If charging level 2 at home the per kwh can be ~1/3 as expensive as DCFC. I can charge Level 2 at work for free. Your costs for driving an EV will vary significantly depending where you charge.

[@martinoshinsky5713]

Awesome review with two great products. One true and tested and one coming to life with lots of opportunities.

[@fred993a]

Excellent analysis - thank you!

[@jm100368]

That's absolutely incredible! You got both chargers to work first and second time! Its a miracle!

[@manuelias86]

I drive my R1T in conserve on the highway and all purpose in the city. However, I just went into sport mode yesterday just for the fun of it and I had forgotten how good it was in sport mode. I may change my daily driving mode.

[@heathwirt8919]

Fun doesn't come cheap! :)

[@barryhomes1]

I was doing the math, and both truck are virtually the same. The Platinum's 22" wheels are 93% efficient compared to using the 20" tires (EPA Platinum 300 mile, v.s. Lariat smaller wheels 320 miles). If the Ford had different wheels...? Now I know you said they both are 22's but is shows you how close the two vehicle are. That is amazing considering the size of the Ford.

[@ldmcnutt]

For anyone that hasn’t had this epiphany, a gallon of gas will do the work of about 10 kwh of electricity. If this was a gas F150, it would have been 19 mpg. The Rivian would be 21 mpg. The “gas tank” on both is about 13 gallons (130 kwh). My Tesla model S gets 33 miles from 10 kwh electricity at 80 mph, which would be like a BMW 5 series getting 33 mpg at 80 mph. Likewise. When I charge at home in SoCal, I pay 22 cents per kWh of electricity at night, which is like $2.20 per gallon for gas. Mind blown, right? Makes for easy math.

[@trullmann]

interesting explanation, thank you

[@iank516]

And at my house in Kansas.. I pay 7.5 cents per KWh at night!! Sooooooo cheap to drive electric.

[@hasanturgut2712]

Another great video again,thank you!

[@brianrice6993]

This a nice size comparison I’ve been looking for.

[@newscoulomb3705]

27:42 In my opinion, you're overthinking this. I think that accounting for thermal management is completely valid because it represents how well the EVs can manage pack temperature while driving. If the Lightning is better at maintaining pack temperature while driving but the R1T draws that energy later while charging, I think it's a valid thing to measure.

[@howlers8]

on that one thing, that kind of makes it a wash. a tie if you will

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@howlers8 Yup. That's why I think it's important. Nothing is free, and if the battery conditioning while charging prolongs the charging stop, it also impacts trip speeds.

[@shanec3984]

I think they like to account for that because the thermo management would be much less of an issue if it were were slow charging at home. So fast charging to 70%, driving 60 miles, and immediately fast charging to 70% is kind of a stress test on the batteries as well and not just a fuel economy test.

[@ssu7653]

@@shanec3984 Charging is part of the test, so how the truck handle charging SHOULD be part of the test. Just charging overnight at home, both should keep 1 full day for 99% of people so why care about charging?

[@brandenflasch]

Definitely agree that high 400V architecture is a sweet spot.

[@timgurr1876]

Thanks for the video. Interesting test. The Rivian is a nice size truck for those who don’t need a larger truck and it may be easier for parking and maneuvering in tight spaces. The only concern I have is the ability to Rivian to survive in the long run. Hopefully, they will survive. As of now, I would probably choose the F150 because of Ford’s longevity in the truck market.

[@newscoulomb3705]

Thanks for doing a parallel drive. Given the size difference, the R1T better be more efficient, but this will be interesting to see.

[@CRVgarage]

Thanks a lot guys...you the best!! I think for a general customer just going by the efficiency numbers on the dash is enough to make a decision. 0.2 mi/kwh difference is completely normal since Ford Lightning is heavier than the R1T.

[@schlotdoglaser]

thanks for a great and very fair and informative comparison. We just configured our R1T and will have it in a few months at the latest. I belong to a FB group and there was talk about "Lightning is better than the Rivian".....blah blah. I posted this video as an unbiased review......thanks!

[@ZmannR2]

Do those chargers seriously say “Kum & Go”??? Lmao!!!

[@Xyler94]

Kum & Go is a gas station chain in the US... Why do people not take 5 extra seconds on the naming, I get the idea, Come and Go... but come on, x3

[@misplacedidentity1036]

9:18 that "one time" feature is nice.

[@PLATINUM2U]

F-350 owner here. Can't wait til the CT comes to market 🤤🤤

[@jeffreywong6842]

Awesome job! I'm surprised, very similar efficiency with my 2021 X5 PHEV.

[@dennislyons3095]

well done Kyle!

[@joelreyes8175]

Dayum! U got both of them!

[@superscort57]

awesome info and video the lightning would be my choice but both are great

[@LL-qm3sl]

Love your videos, the only major improvement I can think of is cleaning the camera lenses. Sometimes they are just rly dirty, didn't think it would make a difference until I cleaned them myself before taking pictures/ videos!!

[@tombache3426]

Thank you for doing these reviews. Something most of use would really like to know is: How much did the charge cost, how long it took, how far did you go. It is still about time and money. I am not hanging around the charging station for hours when traveling. I gather now from watching reviews, you don’t plan to charge to 100% unless you are home and charge over night. So, currently you have to plan to hop from charger to charger, sort of like a vehicle with really bad fuel economy( I had a Mustang like that, pass everything except a gas station). Drive from NYC to LA and tell me about that. Otherwise, all of these are still local commuter vehicles.

[@mattsun9765]

It showed $10.56 (I think-- would have to go back and look) on the charger the Lightning was plugged into.

[@USA__WILL]

Never heard of this channel. Just subscribed.

[@platypus5560]

I love the lightning the quality in general is top notch

[@SolveFixBuild]

Great stuff. I think people are cross shopping these - I didn’t think the Rivian could lay a sheet of plywood flat but it can. They are similar in price and nearly the same in function. The Rivian is more “truck” than a Honda Ridgeline, and maybe more than a Ford Ranger, I’d argue.

[@SingleSpeed427]

Did the Rivian lower itself on the freeway, or did you disable that and keep it at a normal height?

[@JaredAho]

Best videos in the business! Doing the deep dives for those of us waiting for deliveries! Much appreciated, Kyle and Jordan

[@lambdaprog]

Just found your channel. You really have a gift for unscripted narration.

[@maples328]

That’s a good point on charging efficiency. Most everyone just assumes 💯 rate of transfer in & out.

[@davidmueller2780]

Love to have the Rivian!

[@micahnichols155]

Let me just say, the conditions today are absolutely perfect, just a gorgeous day, can’t imagine better conditions, what a fantastic… Nice job guys, appreciate the comparison!

[@ohger1]

Ford was careful to style the Lightning like the standard F150 that Americans are comfortable with and love, and it was a good decision and the way I would have gone if it were my call. I think as EVs become the norm, you may see the legacy makers style the trucks to be more aerodynamic. For this large brick Ford to get a near statistical tie to the Rivian is amazing.

[@michaelabsher8341]

Drop the temp down to say 45 degrees and the Ford will fall far behind the Rivian due to Ford choosing to use very old and not efficient heating methods... The reviewers didn't mention this once and chose to do this test at 74 degrees...meaning no heat came on during this drive. And why not turn the built in ability to have more range on the Rivian? If Rivian was smart they would have it do it on its own during highway driving.

[@MikeO-dr7hn]

@@michaelabsher8341 Knowing Kyle they will re-test at lower temp at some point; fall comes fairly early in Colorado so it shouldn't be too long before he can grab a cool day.

[@rabidsquirrel22ben]

@@michaelabsher8341 The R1T doesn't have a heat pump either if that is what you're alluding to. They both use a resistive heater.

[@4literv6]

Then why are over 80% of all the existing 200k+reservations for the lightning coming from none Ford or f series owner's? Seems the lightning isn't to popular with current Ford owner's and instead it is attracting more business to ford. Coming from people who just want a full size ev truck which the lightning happens to be. 🤔

[@MrVegasoul]

It’s quite interesting result. I expected big difference in fuel efficiency because the size of 150 is much bigger than Rivian. I think the efficiency of power train such as inverter, motor and battery seems has better efficiency. I like the features like big frunk and 11 electricity outlets which are the key attractiveness of F150.

[@Josh-my1hm]

fuel....lol

[@RichardJoashTan]

And I am glad that I will buy a fully loaded F150 Lightning Platinum anyway.

[@rhydynamic8306]

You’ve been saying that for more than a year now. Where is your Mach E?

[@celalc]

It is a very early comparison, I am glad that you did it, however you need to show graphs and stats to make the comparison clear.

[@robertobeltramelli4138]

Your Subscriber count is growing by leaps and bounds!

[@stanfordbanks3399]

Great testing work out, one Criticism It's best to say what you like or dislike after the test has been completed . In some cases some people will walk away from the testing based on your impressions of either one before the test has been made. 😊

[@stockacts6316]

Lucid for the win with 900v and 750v architecture on the Air.

[@10p6]

Interesting experiment. Driving skills and use of signals....

[@Trades46]

The Rivian is smaller so more efficient is practically a given. The fact the Ford is so close despite being far larger speaks volume how well that Lightning is engineered.

[@trullmann]

Dude I really appreciate your videos as always, I feel like you are NOT trying to sell me anything like other channels can when it comes to EVs. Thank you.

[@terrylueders]

Well done! Fun to watch and see the results! Very surprised to see the results from a Ford!

[@roycehoward2152]

What I took away from this test is that never charge at a fast charger if you can help it. They’re close to gas prices.

[@mike60521x]

I noticed that as well - basically $5 per 27 miles traveled - and you have to wait 1/2 hour to charge for every 58 miles traveled - I would definitely consider the F150 over the higher priced rivian

[@GuyOnYouTube]

Yeah man, I was shocked by that too. What I took away from this test is that EV pickup trucks make relatively little sense. I think I’m going to wait for a plug in hybrid pickup truck. Being able to go 30-40 miles all electric covers my daily commute and provides the cost savings of an EV, with none of the downsides when taking road trips or towing as you’re able to refuel full range in 2-3 minutes vs nearly an hour dc fast charging, and actually can do it cheaper if it gets at or over 25mpg, even with gas at $5/gallon! Makes me question why anyone would get an EV unless they drive well over 40 miles per day?

[@jdjames997]

@@GuyOnKZbin Your comment sums up the EV truck options today 100%, it simply doesn’t make sense to buy one. I’ve gotten into heated arguments with people who are clueless, about how driving an EV truck for its intended purpose makes no sense, especially if your towing. A hybrid truck or even trucks like the gas Chevy Silverado that shut down 4 cylinders while on the highway makes sense, as you mention. Cudo’s to you for stating reality, as I actually had a guy say that people drive what they want to drive, whether it makes sense or not. Ok fine, it’s America, free choice and all, but just because car company’s make something doesn’t mean it makes sense to own one. A Tesla Model S Plaid is one of the fastest production cars ever made, but if you don’t drive crazy fast, it still is a very efficient car, behind the Model 3 and Model Y. In the Ford, there is no “conserve” or more efficient option, and this represents the mentality that a lot of legacy car makers have, ‘if we make an EV truck, they’ll buy it”….regardless of how efficient it is, because we just won’t talk about the actual power usage per mile….

[@krzysztofcwik5347]

great stuff!! i am very surprised that little gap. waiting for R1S versus electric expedition, both avaiable in Europe soon;)

[@scenicdepictionsofchicagolife]

The expedition is available in Europe? If it is I'd be surprised given it's size. Also... pozdrawiam.. (Polish American)

[@krzysztofcwik5347]

@@scenicdepictionsofchicagolife IT is not but when electric, no problem with emissions;)

[@dylanc9275]

I'm still 100% ford with all there service centers and the aftermarket choices

[@michaelabsher8341]

My less than 300 mile Ford Hybrid is showing some fairly serious safety issues with NO CEL so far, Yeh, I'm going to love the service center 80 miles away from a dealership that overcharge me $299 over the agreed on price...

[@dylanc9275]

@@michaelabsher8341 I'm 1500miles plus from rivian I'd pay that 300 hands down. my ford dealership is within walking distance

[@SmokeTubeBBQ]

I hate to go off topic here on these trucks. But do you have any opinion or input on the recent recall for the mach e?

[@glenncordova4027]

Two great trucks! 😃

[@wjstewdog]

Very curious for a towing review on the trucks. As most landscape trailers are around 16 ft and boat trailers 28 feet. How can you pull up to a charger with all that length ? Won't you block the parking lot ?

[@jackgreenstalk777]

both amazing

[@darinbrazil5496]

Really enjoy your videos, Have a Rivian reservation and still trying to get a Lightning reservation but I will take which ever comes first and then trade if necessary once all options are readily available. Anyway my question is, have you compared the range on the Rivian with the tonneau cover open vs closed? Maybe this has been answered already and maybe its negligible but just curious if any tests have been done in that regard.

[@jasongreenwald2388]

Myth busters did a video that. No mpg gain from the cover.

[@TheNpsurfbum678]

Love the vids. You’re killing it. Ordered both. Rivian is estimating mid-late 2023 (Ordered in 9/9/21) for R1T Large Battery. I think the F150 will be quicker. May drive it for a year, sell it, and then make room for the Rivian. I did test drive the Rivian. It was a blast. Only bummer was I could barely fit a 6’1 surfboard diagonally :/ in the truck bed. Maybe i should start boogie boarding.

[@BFArch0n]

Whoa, Wellington, I just moved there! :)

[@bradleyanderson4315]

It's called a Diverging Diamond. My former office built one back in 2015.

[@short_video_expert]

Friend, thanks for the review. How can I buy a Rivian? I saw on their official website that now you can only prepay $1000 and I will get it at the end of 2023. Do you know if there are any plans to speed up the process? Thank you.

[@craig8638]

Who else is just excited that there are two electric trucks in production to compare?

[@4literv6]

I am really enjoying all the different youtubers content on the r1t&lightning. Cant wait for the new everado and hopefully the cybertruck to join the fray next year. Imagine a r1t quad motor vs hummev tri motor vs everado rst vs cybertruck quad motor plaid test. There is also the upcoming atlis xt ev truck made in America, the new ram ev truck, and maybe Ford will offer a hotter lightning r before the next gen ground up ev lightning arrives around 2025. Or even a single cab short bed version with sticky st tires as a throwback to the og lightning. 😎👍🏻

[@craig8638]

@@4literv6 Did you GM Evalanche? 😁

[@4literv6]

@@craig8638 i nicknamed it the Everado because it's an ev Silverado but yeah it looks like the avalanche from certain angles just updated a bit. 😀

[@endokendo6741]

Did both trucks have en-route pre-conditioning turned on prior to charging?

[@grantlauzon5237]

My dad has a newer F150. Its analog speedometer is off but it’s digital one is accurate. I think the digital speedo calibrated itself with the GPS.

[@jasonmcquinn6601]

Love the saying on the fast chargers......Kum & go... Not sure they thought about that before using it.

[@johndavis7112]

Really just splitting hairs, 5 or 10 miles difference but the conserve mode would crush the f150 overall in a 200+ mile test. Now lets tow something 6x12 box trailer, with 5000 pounds v nose and see how they do?

[@hansmroch3214]

Does the Ford have tow mode where you can recharge the batteries by towing behind a semi truck like the Rivian? I recall seeing this on a show where they towed a Rivian for 30 minutes and got a decent charge back allowing it to run further.

[@tonydeleon5029]

I don't know if I missed it, but did your F-150 lightning have the towing package , including extra cooling fans?

[@pstoneking3418]

You can set your screen to calm screen to see SOC & miles to empty with speedometer.

[@JoeGo101]

Now I wonder how the base model short range f150 lighting would fair against the rivian

[@noassruncis3963]

F-150 dealer price 135 000 $

[@JoeGo101]

@@noassruncis3963 hehe I know right 😅

[@jbell2018]

Y’all should start doing efficiency testing on the AC chargers of EVs

[@wattfresser3157]

Thumbs up 👍from Germany!!

[@masonverbridge3417]

Conserve mode in the Rivian is made for road trips. With that on, the rivian would’ve crushed the lightning. I get trying to make the test conditions similar, but if you’re testing range I’d prefer to see the Rivian used in the mode that’s designed for maximum range.

[@2SupReMo2]

"Kum & Go" whoever was in charge for that naming of the charging station, my man 😂

[@jm100368]

Kum and go is the gas station/convenience store

[@robertfrederick9061]

What tire size do the Rivian & the F-150 lightning come equipped with originally? Larger tires than original could increase the circumference & introduce both speedometer & odometer errors.

[@longIslandEV]

The way I measure efficiency in my model 3 is using the miles driven (GPS verify accurate) and the amount of charge delivered by my evse. I have seen the efficiency change based on ambient temperature

[@howlers8]

and I imagine it's much much worse in cold temps. I know another channel found that with the Mach E up in canada. ate more energy and took longer to charge in 'winter' months. which is like 6-8 months out of the year. they were still getting cold weather and heavy snow fall in april

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

About the speedo same in Air planes all of them and it's called indcated air speed which you have to adjust for.

[@jaywo4501]

Nice video. Both impressive. Drove them both and the Rivian just feels and drives so much nicer and faster. I wonder how much more efficient it would be then the Ford in the conserve mode running only 2 motors.

[@chaleowin7732]

The Lightning is the everyman's everyday truck? My issue with the Lightning is I can't by base vehicles...the Lightning would cost me at least 80k so it may as well be made out of unobtanium.

[@ohger1]

Agree, but to be fair, most pickups are north of 60K these days. I can afford to write a check tomorrow for any new car on the market, but won't. Cars are a big waste of money. I always buy my cars 1-2 years old with 15K or less miles. Let someone else take the hit. The 25K or more I save is invested and making money, not losing money. Also, as more EV pickups hit the market and as this still brand new technology evolves, there will be production efficiencies that will lower costs. First ones in always pay more. I bought my Tesla S two years old (before used cars went nuts) and saved a lot of money.

[@smartelectriccar]

A king ranch hybrid is that much too. Trucks are pricey. Period.

[@gbpg2016]

@@ohger1 what investments are making you money this year?

[@ohger1]

@@gbpg2016 Gold. I sold off most of my stocks not in a fund about three months ago and bought gold. I figure the bottom is about 9-12 months away, and I'll start buying heavily during the recession.

[@GregHassler]

@@ohger1 that used to be a good theory, but my 2.5 year old Model 3 with 70,000 miles is currently worth more than I paid for it.

[@jeffreyharvey8111]

If I was buying a truck today I would definitely buy the F 150 simply because it is based a on a tried and true F 150 platform and the manufacturing history and experience that Ford or any of the major vehicle manufacturers has in producing them gives me more assurance of available service and supply of parts for the long haul plus their many service locations. Who knows if Rivian as a brand will survive in the long run. You have to look at all aspects of the ownership experience.

[@addamsaddams4461]

I would depending on what you need the truck to do say lightning casuse of size and capabilities the other just for light work or just to and from work

[@TCPUDPATM]

Charging loss is somewhat irrelevant since DC fast charging uses the same external charger in this case. Both packs use a similar 400V architecture. It’d be nice to know how they’re set up (46P96S in a Tesla M3 where you have 96 packs of 46 cells in parallel each)

[@sunrisetacticalgear2676]

How much $money$ did it cost for each truck at the charger at the end of the trip?? Also how many miles did you go on that trip??

[@Fechual]

Great video. However not sure we can give the Lightning props for "similar" efficiency The Rivian has 4 motors vs 2 and a boat load more power and torque,

[@fumpercheezy]

That's not how it works. The Rivian in theory should be MORE efficient with 4 motors vs 2 motors, as they can run more optimally to the path of least resistance to the ground. Also rated power and torque numbers are just what is available, not what is actively being used. That holds true for ICE and electric motors.

[@Fechual]

@@fumpercheezy Interesting. So higher output in torque and horsepower is irrelevant due to having 4 motors? Either way common sense and logic would desire more power, performance, capability all with efficiency 😎

[@heathwirt8919]

@@fumpercheezy Actually more motors is more losses.

[@haroldmichael3492]

Why cant kyle compare a R1T two motor to a two motor F150 lightning? Similar battery packs etc. Seems it would be a better comparison. Im tired of these reviews that only compare top of the line vehicle packages. Kyle even admits in his beginning review this isnt a fair comparison of vehicles. I think less quantity and more quality information is a better approach to these reviews for serious consumers. My opinion!

[@Fechual]

@@haroldmichael3492 They simply don’t produce the 2 motor variant yet.

[@rotaerceht687]

Good audio on this video. Background noise suppression 👍

[@QALibrary]

With these new trucks is there any issue with getting hold of spare parts and repaired or serviced at a dealership or service centre?

[@bigsnoopk]

Hoping to see a aero-x kit on one these lightning to compare with the stock lightning.

[@robertpotts24]

Question: which would you suggest for a family of 4-5?

[@mowcowbell]

Didn't realize the Rivian was that small... looks like it is about the size of the current Honda Ridgeline. Kinda ironic 2 EV's charging, while in the background some building is spewing a noxious cloud of hydrocarbons.

[@joeyg.2953]

What do think happens when the electricity is made to charge these "clean" vehicles?! 😂

[@mowcowbell]

@@joeyg.2953 In my state, 33% of the grid power comes from wind farms.

[@freedomliberty7611]

@@mowcowbell so that's 67 % fossil fuels?

[@mowcowbell]

@@freedomliberty7611 Which is still way less pollution that thousands of ICE vehicles driving around. Even a single coal power plant has a smaller carbon footprint than thousands of ICE vehicles.

[@JDTaylor]

I agree with the last comment. Would be curious how much more efficient the Rivian has with the tonneau cover closed and in Conserve Mode. I also find my R1T I’m Conserve Mode impressive. I use conserve whenever I go on a long trip.