Ford F-150 Lightning & Rivian R1T Tow Over The Entire Rocky Mountain Range (Massive Charging Issues)

[@OutofSpecReviews]

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[@Paul-cj1wb]

You guys should do a local tow test, which is what these two trucks were meant for, not long distance highway towing -- they're not 800 volts or higher yet (400 plus miles range and 300kw charging). Just start with a 100% full battery with an 8,000 pound load or so, and see how long (how many hours) it would take to run it down to lets say 10% or even all the way to 0%. By local, I mean towing within the town or just outside of it and back where you have to hit lights and stops signs often. Or even within one town to another close by and back without using the highway.

[@jackhammer078jack4]

Are you listening to shakira? I saw that album cover on you screen.

[@quentinbarnes]

Please do a video on how many miles you can tow in city traffic. Everyone is doing long haul tests but a lot of us want to use the F150 Lightning as a work truck towing 1-3 tons behind us all day in a city. I, for one, would be extremely grateful! Thanks for all the work you do for us!

[@TJ-ie9qo]

Good idea

[@minibx6659]

You would be in a winning situation since you will get much better efficiency.

[@andys31337]

you mean, test what it was actually designed for?!

[@ldmcnutt]

There’s a quick and easy way to calculate it: the battery holds 115 net kwh that can be discharged. If you charge it to the recommended daily maximum of 80% state of charge, then only deplete it to 10% state of charge because of range anxiety and decreased power output at low states of charge, 70% usable daily is 80.5 kwh. That will get you as far as 8.05 gallons of gas will. So if you’re currently getting 10 mpg with a 6,000 lb load, you’ll likely get a range of 80 miles.

[@andys31337]

@@ldmcnutt not really, in a city there's alot of "start-stop" driving where the EV will regenerate alot more power than on highway. Needs to be tested to quantify it.

[@randocrypto1678]

54:20 Kyle’s rims matching the camera frame rate made an awesome effect

[@ElmwoodAl]

I noticed that too lol

[@zeteclover]

Damn, good eye. That's super cool

[@CaptainRotmeat]

Looks like the animation glitched out :\ should've spent a little longer in beta

[@IMGreg..]

Considering only a small percentage of 150's will be used for long distance towing, these videos remove all doubt of daily normal use for fleet, small contractor and commuter use. This is an exciting time to be alive to witness this evolutionary change in technologies. This is the model T era of EV's.

[@prerunnerwannabe]

54:20 The camera shutter lining up with the Rivian's tire rotation made it look like it was floating haha.

[@casperhansen826]

When I started this video I expected that I would skip through it, but actually I saw every minute of it, thanks for this video, great content

[@jgreenle1]

The better efficiency towing in the F150 could actually be related to why it's less efficient not towing - the F150 is a larger vehicle, and thus creates a larger air gap for the trailer to "draft" in vs. the Rivian. Therefore, the towing aero penalty is less on the Ford vs. the Rivian.

[@bob15479]

This is why I think the Cybertruck will tow “relatively” well.

[@tazeat]

It also apparently has awesome regen capabilities that doesn't seem to really ever throttle unlike what we seem to be seeing with Rivian. Not huge, but does appear to be an F150 strong point.

[@themeach011]

Towing in the mountains probably isn't any worse than sea level and flat as tge speeds are typically a little slower and the higher u go the thinner the air. Lol.

[@Team_Trade_Down]

Interesting thought. You may be onto something.

[@testi2025]

@@bob15479 so you really believe that they are making one?

[@MsAjax409]

In almost 4 years and eight interstate road trips, I've never encountered a broken Supercharger.

[@Discoducky73]

I've encountered one...in 9 years and more than 100 supercharging stops

[@rudyyyxu]

@@Discoducky73 nice

[@philorgneopolotin8762]

Wes Wahlin yeah it’s crazy how seamless and functional they are. I think I’ve seen one as well but all I did was go 3 feet to the one next to it and immediately started charging. Plus the center screen is now telling you which stalls are out of order so it really should be even less common nowadays.

[@Xtampa57]

Amazing that these reviewers never bring up the inept charging network that is public charging compared to Tesla network. Facts say that up to 40% of public chargers don’t work and the ones that do are often slow or there are only 1-2 chargers at the station unlike Tesla that is generally 8+ chargers at every station and often many more

[@craig8638]

It’s crazy how the other charging stations are so unreliable.

[@anydaynow01]

I love these long videos showing all the things, there are so many reactions which is glazed over in the shorter videos, no fault to you, just the nature of the format.

[@tjdhulst]

Be curious to see you guys repeat this test with a travel trailer (6000-8000 lbs) in the future. The drag from the travel trailer will probably be the biggest factor in range reduction instead of the increased weight I suspect. I know you guys did a loop test with a cargo trailer (thanks for that BTW) but a road trip test with a travel trailer would really be great to see. Maybe even a week long camping trip!

[@JMizzle]

+1 - I'm gambling by keeping my R1T with max pack at preorder pricing to assist with towing an Alto A2124 (super aerodynamic but sized for a small family). Be really interested to see towing with a light, aerodynamic camper.

[@tjdhulst]

@@JMizzle I'm also waiting on my max pack Rivian. Ours is a Coleman Lantern, 6,100 lbs dry, 28 ft bumper pull.

[@wojciechmuras553]

Fast Lane Truck did something like that, raced the Lightning against a diesel truck.

[@ramtd02]

TFL did this, 6000# trailer and lightning basically croaked. After 80 miles it was pulling power, and because after 50 mins of charge they only reached 74% charge, had to return the trailer, couldn’t complete the proper loop against the 6.2l from GMC

[@themeach011]

Travel trailers are soooo hard to pull. It's like a giant sale. Not comparable at all to these trailers. If u want to tow a camper with an ev I will want to get an airstream or one of those ones that the top lowers down on or something. U will be lucky to get 100 miles out of the lightening with any normal size camper going hiway speed

[@capt_ramius]

Ford needs a display mode option for “EV nerd” or “Regular truck guy that just wants it to work” 😂😂

[@mguerra310]

Or broke m/f that can’t afford it

[@TechnicalLee]

Yeah the lack of kW or amps showing while charging is really a big oversight. Especially when EA stations are so temperamental and don't want to keep kW on the display for long either.

[@richardjohnson8009]

@@TechnicalLee yeah it would be really nice so you could track your state of charge on a spreadsheet, then show your friends when you meet at the electric car show

[@newscoulomb3705]

5:43 This might actually work in the R1T's favor because something that TFL uncovered doing their Ike Gauntlet test is that the R1T's regenerative brakes appear to trigger electronic trailer brakes while the Lightning's tow mode disables that. There was a significant difference in the amount of energy each truck recovered on the downhill.

[@tw_lb]

Wouldn't that mean there is energy turned into heat by the trailer brakes in the R1T whereas that energy could be regenerated on the Ford?

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@tw_lb Yes, that is most likely why the R1T regenerated so much less energy on the downhill than the Lightning. Essentially, Ford programmed their tow mode with electronic brakes in mind, but Rivian might not have. Inertia brakes should level the playing field for this test.

[@tazeat]

In this particular test that wouldn't really matter, the uhaul trailers have surge brakes which are not directly controlled by the tow vehicle so any mode selection wouldn't make any difference on trailer brake application. (Surge only apply when the tow vehicle slows enough that the pressure on the hitch increases beyond the engaging threshold, not from any electronic signal).

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@tazeat Yes, so I believe they would nullify any advantage the Lighting would have for this test. The R1T's reduction in regenerative braking power, though, was something I hadn't seen before, and it could definitely explain some of the efficiency difference observed in this test.

[@boostav]

@@newscoulomb3705 Yep the Rivian offering minimal or no regen despite the SOC not being close to full is a major fail.

[@thomasklein4265]

There's no way to make DC Fast charging profitable with the current model of remote self serve chargers in obscure parking lots. The industry needs to switch to the gas station model of manned pull thru, well lit chargers along the freeway/highway with a convenience store attached, and possibly even a waiting room/ lounge and restaurant . That way you have profitability from the convenience store and restaurant. The waiting room could also have a EV on display from a manufacturer that paid for placement, with a sales rep to answer questions and even take orders via online.

[@MrNicholg]

Well that's essentially the current model used by Walmart and EA, no? It reminds me of Walmart's $10 oil changes that take 3 hours.

[@jeremydavis2595]

As an EV owner myself, I agree 100 percent. Need to be at a store with restroom, refreshments and canopy. The current model is not going to get the vast majority of people to switch to an EV anytime soon.

[@ab-tf5fl]

On the contrary, wouldn't human staffing increase costs and make it even harder for charging to turn a profit?

[@thomasklein4265]

@@ab-tf5fl there are literally thousands of businesses that have employees and manage to turn a profit, yet every EV charge company is self serve with no employees on site, yet still can’t even come close to turning a profit, so your logic escapes me , whatever there doing isn’t working

[@ab-tf5fl]

@@thomasklein4265 There are several factors that make EV charging difficult from a profit standpoint, which don't apply to gas stations. Way fewer EV drivers on the road than gas car drivers. Charging stations cost way more to install than gas pumps. Avoiding expensive "demand charges" requires expensive batteries. Etc. Also, a public charging station will never be able to match the per-kWh price of home charging, so even if every car is an EV, their customer base will be limited to people going on road trips. And, as the range of EV cars increases, the distances people will be able to travel without needing to visit a charging station will increase as well. Put it all together, making a profit off of a charging station is difficult, and probably requires an adjacent business people shop at while they charge. But, adding full-time human staffing doesn't solve any of these problems. It just make them worse, by adding one more expense to be paid for. Even gas stations generally don't have human attendants in most states. That's why they call it "self serve gasoline".

[@richardmorin4518]

Great video. All the charger issues must be so frustrating. That really needs to improve. Both Rivian and Ford need to accept more power to charge faster. Hope next generation will improve here. I think it’s BS that Rivian would limit regen they need to fix that.

[@shawndoyle7966]

Having owned a Tesla for 8 years, this is my worry about getting a rivian. Tesla network just seems so much simpler, plug in and immediately starts charging. I have used evgo years ago and always had issues and broken chargers

[@rdk3996]

Love the tow 55 mph speed limit visual warning as they agree to go 70 mph :)

[@jkoravos]

Kyle...the Athletic Greens spot was primo. The way you looked into the camera right at the end **chef's kiss** :)

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

52:23 - I was wondering if the emergency escape button activated the full "power open", or just unlocked it. Good to know it's just unlocking, and that wind pressure will actually keep it down, rather than having it fly up. (A friend's vehicle's hood flew open while driving when I was a kid - Ford Econoline van, hood *LAUNCHED* backward, shattered the windshield, entered the cabin and wedged in place completely blocking vision. Thankfully they slammed on the brakes and avoided hitting anything.)

[@boostav]

It shouldn't unlock in the first place given it's a powered frunk it should know not to do so at speed.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

@@boostav Emergency escape button should *ALWAYS* work. That's the point. But I'm glad to see it doesn't "fly open", it just unlatches, requiring a potentially-trapped-inside person to actually make the action to open it after.

[@boostav]

@@AnonymousFreakYT Not at 60mph

[@RavingMad]

After having gone on road trips with Tesla and comparing that experience to what I'm seeing here, seems like I have to wait to pull the plug on a non-Tesla EV. With Tesla, I put the destination and the car calculates the best path including all charging stop, min charging time to continue trip to next stop, setting up direction steps that includes the stops and time to reach so on. I'd find anything less than that quite challenging. Tesla tells me # of total stalls, # of available stalls and capacity as well (at not just the auto selected charge stops, but at any other charge stops, I may want to look up in the area). Are non-Tesla EVs still only optimized for local driving and specific trips to few hundred km out of town? A complete mapping software with auto charging stops is essential for ev road trips. Btw, I've been binging your videos over the last few weeks... your videos are some of the most impartial review of anything on KZbin. Thanks for your hard work and entertaining videos.

[@jasonquaile2492]

My wife overheard Kyle's comment on the escalade's wheels and went "omg there's more of you out there?!?!?!" As always, great content!

[@trullmann]

Voltage sag as the pack gets lower in capacity, something no one else on the net is talking about with EVs while putting the vehicle under a load, the usable power goes down and heat goes up in the battery. Not to mention the possible wear on the battery while doing so at lower battery capacity (volts). Great video!

[@MrNicholg]

This doesn't seem to be a huge issue, as most manufacturers talk about charging between 10-80% capacities, which is suitable for most situations.

[@trullmann]

@@MrNicholg I simply appreciate that you guys' kind of geek out on this stuff. Most don't understand the EV power source all that well.

[@rdk3996]

Great video. Love the half-full vs half-empty mentality:)

[@IGmeanwell]

For the record, they mention what Blue Cruise would do with wind gusts. The lane centering which works with towing does compensate for wind gusts, I tow a 25ft travel trailer with my Powerboost Hybrid and the lane centering actually does a great job of not over compensating for wind gusts. Also the sway control on new trucks is essentially silent.

[@townhall05446]

Didn't your F150 have the backup assist, at that trim level? That makes backing up any trailer a snap, the truck steers itself. And talk about range anxiety, 107 miles of range on a 91 mile trip? That's cutting it way too close - one traffic jam and you may find yourself on roadside, dead. No thanks. And while Chick Fil A is definitely at the top of the fast food quality, there's nothing wrong at all with Golden Corral.

[@travisp11]

I see Road Rage Charging soon kicking off at a Wal Mart near you!

[@tdalton854]

Was in the waiting Bolt @ 43:00 ish. Was so excited to have a real life Kyle sighting! almost got out to say Hi but the cluster @#!%$ around that small area and Kyle was working so didn't ..

[@billwolff6582]

Was disappointed to see that there was no information about the regen capabilities of the F150. It would have been nice to see that in action. Were there any thermal issues or decreased regen because of elevated state of charge?

[@TechnicalLee]

Yeah they kinda glazed over that, Zach said it didn't seem to limit in any way.

[@Team_Trade_Down]

Our country definitely needs a big competitor to Electrify America. It seems some of their Charging Stations have various issues any where you go in the country. Can you imagine if you pulled into gas stations or Wawa or 7-11, etc and half the time their gas pumps didn't work? How often do you try to use a gas pump when you are traveling and it isn't working?

[@richardjohnson8009]

really they could track it and show it on the app, then you could plan ahead and keep a log of all the stations that dont work, then you could track the CSOC or corrected speed of charge, and make sure that your getting a charger and it is actually charging at the rate that it says or you could be waiting way longer for your state of charge level to indicate that youre ready to to rock

[@tymanot]

Thanks for the video Kyle and team. I would go for the Rivian and I really hope they make it to Europe.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Only if you self import them. No pickup truck gets imported to Europe. The Rivian is too heavy. It would have to be downgraded to a truck. With all the consequences. All would not pass the UN/ECE pedestrian crash tests. Also not the Cybertruck. But when Tesla supports the Software and Updates i import one myself.

[@tymanot]

What a pitty. I just love the Rivian.

[@demion7593]

I'd heard Europe was 2024, Australia 2025 tho I could be wrong

[@newscoulomb3705]

43:06 Frankly, if I were driving a Bolt EV through CO, I don't know that I would ever use Electrify America. There are enough >150 A ChargePoint units along I-70 that you never really need to deal with the EA drama. Not only are the sites a bit more diverse and better for travel, those new CPE250 units also activate in just a few seconds. Regardless, EA is definitely going to need to up their Interstate sites to a minimum of 6 chargers, but if they're going to take the time to upgrade an existing site, they should probably make the new Interstate site minimum 8 to 10 chargers. Also, the side benefit is that they don't have to worry as much about 100% up time.

[@tdalton854]

I was in the waiting Bolt. It was an experiment to show me an actual charge process. at the time we had a ID4 on order. Since canceled. For many more reasons that this cluster. No need to yell. The Bolt owner charges at home in Denver and almost never needs anything else for their usage. In fact we left without charging and made it home no problem. I was amazed at how regen helps on the downhill part of I-70.

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@tdalton854 Yes, that's a practice I wish more EV owners would do. Test out chargers locally to get used to the process and make sure your accounts are set up. No harm in doing that. I think things are going to start getting a lot better very quickly with that latest GM-EVgo partnership announcement. Looking at the initial site placements, it adds a lot of redundancy across the country. I actually had to charge the other day, but there was a line at my local Electrify America site. Drove over the freeway to the EVgo site (which was empty), charged up for about 20 minutes, and continued on.

[@MikeHollyman]

Thanks for blazing the trail for all of us. This is super valuable information for people that want to tow with an EV (I'm holding an R1S order for now). I still hope the benefit of electric power outweighs any (most) of the charging shortcomings.

[@Alex-je6od]

In the 5 months since this was filmed, EA has been deploying new stations and starting to build canopies over charging stations. I say "starting" because I personally haven't seen any of these things locally.

[@VacationWise]

I’ve never failed to see Electrify America with endless problems. Incomparable to Tesla supercharging unless you are Out of Spec with EA on speed dial fixing the chargers before you arrive.

[@duotronicnone4572]

I get the whole notion of the Tesla superchargers being better...for Teslas. But my attitude is that until they open up to all cars, they're the worst network, because they (obviously) wouldn't have worked at all for these trucks. I don't own a Tesla, don't really want to, and don't own stock in their company, so for me, they're worse than EA. Proprietary networks are a bad idea.

[@larryspiller15]

@@duotronicnone4572 all the other oems are the proprietary network. Tesla has 70-80% of the active evs on usa roads and the largest charging network. Absolutely nothing was stopping companies from adopting the supercharger network standard except for their egos.

[@duotronicnone4572]

@@larryspiller15What do you mean, if they had an adaptor, they could have charged these trucks at a Tesla supercharger? I was under the impression that it wouldn't work without Tesla's approval.

[@larryspiller15]

@@duotronicnone4572 tesla has been saying from day one that others were allowed on their network. Not a single oem took them up on it. All they wanted was equal contributions in terms of usage. Say supercharge use is 95% tesla and 5% ford, well then ford pays for 5% of the expansion/maintenance of that year. Instead the other stuck up oems refused and stuck with a bulky cumbersome connector that never works.

[@larryspiller15]

@@duotronicnone4572 the tesla connector predates the ccs, chademo was the go to and far worse than the tesla connector. The oems could've fitted their new evs with tesla connectors under fair use as it was an open patent.

[@ArtiePenguin1]

These EA charger issues along this stretch of I-70 leads me to thinking this may just be a bad batch of ABB units. They probably came from the same production lot and were installed within months of each other. Charger screens freezing and even turning off means it's almost definitely a hardware issue. If you had more time, maybe a remote restart from EA over the phone could have helped things. Also, next time please use some GoPros! It's so much easier to see and safer than having someone hold up their phone. At least you had one camera operator; but a set of 3 GoPros (which I've seen in other videos) would do wonders.

[@jerryc.parkeriii6061]

I have a 2024 lightning long range lariat and when I tow with it i do not use tow mode at all, with a Uhaul auto transport and wirh a 1992 Mustang LX on the trailer I still averaged about 2.3 kW per hour driving with the regular range instead of the range being cut in half once you put it in tow mode, you should try it and see what kind of results you get and I was driving normal

[@filoniz]

In the cup holder you can put the key for the ford in and it will tell you the code for the door.

[@peterbtr63]

Nice video 🙂. Living in Sweden these trucks won’t be available for years sadly 🙃

[@TechnicalLee]

I really wish Zach would have used the built-in Nav so we could get a sense how accurate it is when towing. It will show percent estimated on arrival, and is supposed to account for elevation changes and trailer size/weight. Ford says they've put a lot of work into it so I'd like to see how it does.

[@ALRinaldi]

Really looking forward to this one!!! :) Nice to see a road trip video on the main channel too!

[@ArthriticAngler]

Would like to see how a roof rack loaded with bulky items (wind resistance) affects mileage vs a trailer.

[@maxfowler2544]

Lol 94k that massage seat better come with a happy ending

[@JoshuaMichail0]

I think there's a growing market for charging stations that model on gas stations. In fact, a smart business owner would have both pumps (for gas and diesel) and chargers. They need to start making chargers pull-through, like most gas station pump islands. I can also see putting solar panels on the roof to add to the power and provide shade or cover from rain while charging. Moreover, I'd like to see the advent of megawatt chargers, of course manufacturers will need to figure out how to accommodate that power delivery level.

[@SpottedSharks]

The TechNation podcast on July 1 had an interview with Sandy Fershee. She is the lab director of D-Ford Detroit. They talk about all the research Ford does when designing its F150, including the Lightning. They embed researchers with existing F150 users to see first hand how they are being used.

[@kubi0461]

I think I'm going to need to come up with an EA charging experience bingo card to use while watching some of these videos.

[@scottz45]

I have a reservation on a Cybertruck and a R1T. I prefer the size and look of the R1T. That said I fear the CCS network in the US. Please do an R1T update on the trips you have done and the charging experience. I am watching this video for the info alone. Love how you are doing 70 but the trailers say 55 max. Thanks.

[@buzzpedrotti5401]

Always interesting, informative and unfiltered, thank you. My next vehicle will be ICE.

[@stanfordbanks3399]

Great job guys I learned 👏 alot about both trucks and its cool... Why are you not including the new hummer?

[@tonyblonie]

Those water tanks look a bit too far back which is why the tongue jumps up and down on the ball. That is how trailers come unhitched. Centered over the front axle would be better to keep a positive weight on the ball. The way you tied the tanks down also doesn't keep them from sliding back and forth. 2 straps pulling forward and 2 straps pulling back would keep it in place.

[@thomasyoung8116]

You should take the second exit to grand junction coming from Denver since it is so much closer off the highway. That way you don’t have to go through town.

[@kennethwilliams8647]

I'm interested in if the surge brakes caused a lack of regen. If the truck is in regen down a hill and the trailer pushes and activates its breaks then there is lost energy. Also I would doubt there are tuned the exact same causing one to be less efficient than the other.

[@timgurr1876]

Interesting video. Thanks. Problems at the charging stations is a big reason I’m not planning on buying an EV until there are more and reliable charging stations. I have seen other videos where electrify America chargers are not reliable.

[@LarsDennert]

It's because they are powered by VW diesel motors.

[@duraflexllc4860]

Excellent trucks for grocery shopping !

[@milehunter227]

21:02 Uhaul trailer speed limit sign: “speed limit 55”. Haha. Just a recommendation. I recommend a third strap that restrains sliding forward should you have to brake hard. Strap from base of tank to rear of trailer. I guess that full tank sliding to front of trailer wouldn’t be good for the hitch or truck frame.

[@grahamswett6430]

Was at that charging station earlier this year. Same issue, one charger had a blank screen BUT was actually working if you initiated the session from your phone app!

[@grahamswett6430]

I believe the one that was working was second from right..

[@grahamswett6430]

Just checked the EA app and stations 2 & 3 show as Available….one has a dead screen and looks as though it’s off line

[@StuartBelote]

Not too impressed with the EA chargers. A lot of EV review videos show chargers not working. Thanks for an important review.

[@dylanluhowy]

In order to avoid blocking traffic, couldn’t you pull up on the other side (the back) of the concrete island and plug-in there?

[@craig8638]

Thanks for doing this test. The efficiency seems better a lower more aerodynamic trailer. Others have done test with 6,000 pound toy haulers that are shaped like bricks. That isn’t what should be towed over distance with these trucks. I really want to see how it does with a lightweight teardrop or travel trailer.

[@jamesduncanearthling]

You should do these tests towing box trailers. That's something that would be towed by a lot of people. Where I live there is landscape companies everywhere. They all tow big box trailers all over town. How many miles would they be able to get. Something to think about.

[@cruiser97eric1]

On my R1T sometimes the display shows an air conditioner vent as being open when it is really closed and not blowing any air. Also the direction an open vent is actually pointed doesn't always match what the display shows.

[@codymartin6704]

How do you like the truck so far? I've got my pre order in for the dual motor

[@cruiser97eric1]

@@codymartin6704 I have had it for only one week and I am liking it a lot so far, except when parking it near other vehicles. I had never driven a pickup truck before and they are harder to park than smaller vehicles. I am still getting accustomed to the larger size and to using the parking aids (cameras and proximity sensors) the R1T has.

[@codymartin6704]

@@cruiser97eric1 I've driven full size trucks pretty much since I've driven. I will say it's easier to back in.

[@h8GW]

This video brought up so many interesting questoins. Like -what- how the hell is a Hawaii plate doing in Colorado?

[@humbleslave]

54:21 Kyle going so fast his wheel stop moving 🤣

[@billwilliams5889]

Why are the F150’s taillights flickering ?

[@chester5324]

I still can't believe a place is called Kum & Go, so vile I love it!

[@mattsimon931]

2nd EV truck towing video I have watched where the lack of pull through charging stations has come up. Seems to be a gap in the market.

[@4literv6]

It is for sure here in the U.S sadly. However tesla has a few of the larger station's with canopies and pull through chargers for towing. Ea is debuting a couple of those type of station's with solar canopies, battery storage and pull through pump style station's later this year. So by next year they plan to have dozens of them open. I imagine other's will follow shortly. Plus bucees and sheetz are installing tesla chargers in many states now.

[@philhyde983]

Only for KZbinrs (at the moment)...

[@locsmiths]

Videos with the only 2 EV trucks on the market currently with limited production numbers. Needs to be a real part of the actual market first before I would worry about there being any gaps IMO.

[@MrTaylorfenoglio]

Well it's predicted because there wasn't any electric trucks when they were built so there wasn't a need. The great thing is it would be super easy to adapt

[@philhyde983]

@@MrTaylorfenoglio The spot isn't actually a pull-through. The charging stations just happen to be next to regular parking spots where you can pull in on the side.

[@GregHassler]

Kyle - if at all possible, don't know if the vehicles give you the info, but Wh/mi is a much more accurate and comparable number than miles per kWh. Please provide Wh/mi numbers when possible.

[@MrNicholg]

Wh/mi is a moment in time, but miles per kilowatt tells the story of the trip average. MPG-e is much more clear for translation. These trucks are still getting 40mpg-e or better while towing. When the other options are being expressed in mpg, that's the bottom line for comparison sake. Even a diesel isn't going to do better than 15mpg on this route, and likely closer to 10mpg. We can argue about range all day, but even at the lowest of efficiency these vehicles are doing triple or quadruple the efficiency of an ICE platform on average.

[@TechnicalLee]

Tell Ford, they switched from Wh/mi to mi/kWh on the current EVs with no way to display the former. As an engineer the inverse units drives me nuts, I liked Wh/mi on the older EVs.

[@StephenDeLaRosa]

Charger wars are real. Been scooped a few times. It's very unnerving when waiting at a full charging station. Really want EA to implement charging limits at full stations.

[@pip5461]

Thanks for an excellent "viewpoint" of life with an EV... (not suitable for people with heart problems)...or "short tempers"...!

[@sek3988]

What’s happened to your left gear tunnel door? 😞

[@philhyde983]

You definitely should have disconnected the trailers in Frisco. Way to go guys.

[@rzu7120]

The EA station in the opening shot is one of the better locations. You wouldn't even get pickups with trailers into many of the diagonal charging spots.

[@gregvalunas6342]

Kyle, how about this? The Rivian chart has this... • 21" Wheel/Tire = 314 Mile Range • 20" Wheel/Tire = 274 Mile Range (40 mile reduction) • 22" Wheel/Tire = 293 Mile Range (21 mile reduction) Let’s say we have 129kWh useable energy in the battery… 314/129=2.43 miles/kWh (21" wheel/tire combo) 293/129=2.27 miles/kWh (Kyle’s wheel/tire combo) So I’d bet that 0.16 difference. I don’t know enough about the Lightning’s wheel/tire combos to know if that’s it or not, but it could be. Or maybe the Ford is just more frugal. Dunno…

[@richardjohnson8009]

Ive never seen people so thrilled to watch a "state of charge"

[@mikebroom1866]

REAL interested in my Silverado reservation comparison.

[@TassieEV]

Definitely shows better more reliable charging infrastructure is what is needed. I cannot believe there is chargers that haven't been fixed in 6+ months is that due to the supply chain issues I wonder. As you mention BMW Hawaii a Spotto drives past(yellow vehicles are called that in Australia). It's not the car that isn't working it's the charging infrastructure, perhaps penalties for providers who don't get their chargers fixed within a specified period of time is one way and a required up time like you mentioned of 97% for a single charger not site would be also good.

[@silveradodedel]

You need to have the same floor jack and ice cooler on the Rivian fronk

[@HighlandSteam]

If you strap the tote correctly it would not slip. Also you have the ratchet straps to winch the tote forward.

[@gerbre1]

Those chargers look similar to the Efacec HPCs we have in Germany which I consider the most unreliable from my experience. They are going to replace them here. Have you seen the EnBW charging hubs in Germany with up to 52 charging points? Those are what is missing in the States.

[@rzu7120]

Little Tommy of TFL gave you guys a little put down in their Lightning ⚡ video. He said: " Oh, we could have strapped a water tote to a flatbed to test range, but we do real-world range tests, and people haul these travel trailers." Maybe he doesn't realize that some people haul flatbed trailers with loads just like this. I just love TFL's arrogance!

[@Joeyhurt1990]

Don’t think that it is arrogance, just a different real world test.

[@TFLtruck]

Nope, we really appreciate this towing test. It's great to see more EV truck testing!

[@TechnicalLee]

I think the TFL test was too over the top with those massive tall trailers with an insane amount of drag. That's not the use case of electric trucks, no one is going to be dumb enough to tow something large like that with the range limits. A U-Haul, construction trailer, or boat around 4000 lbs is more reasonable/what people with electric trucks would actually use it for.

[@rzu7120]

@@TechnicalLee I agree, or a motorcycle trailer.

[@Joeyhurt1990]

@@TechnicalLee I disagree campers are the most commonly towed implements. especially by people who are not using trucks as work trucks.

[@skywalker2852]

Did I miss it? Are there any critique about how the Lightning did with regen on the down-hill sections? Kyle mentioned the Rivian need friction brakes but did hear anything about the F150. Also interesting that though the Riving has a higher peak charging speed that the F150 seemed to be charging faster(?). 1st stop especially- F150 showed up last and was 1st to 81%

[@david2838-c2f]

How are you liking the forest edge interior? Do you wish you were able to get Ocean Coast?

[@jim5148]

Those water totes look to be a little rear of the axles instead of a little forward of them. Unless it's an illusion, that's not good.

[@waynehankinson8210]

A real world towing test would be a better. A RV trailer or enclosed trailer or a boat near max towing capacity is what most people will be pulling. The wind resistance makes a huge difference on towing ability and fuel consumption for ICE and EV’s . People buy just enough truck to do the job not to do to a small portion of the towing capacity. A towing test with a fifth wheel RV would be really interesting to see the range of a EV.

[@dadman9492]

The hood opening was kinda glossed over. Not cool when a hood pops. Can be extremely dangerous. I imagine it shouldn’t be able to open while in motion for safety. Although i do know the latest corvettes have a problem with hood opening by accidentally hitting the hood open button on the key fob.

[@ezmn9663]

Curious how the aero 21's would compare...hard to do a 3x compare though 20 vs. 21 vs. 22 Out of Spec head to head. Lot of effort but would be cool...

[@slicksalmon6948]

"We are still a long ways from making electric transportation viable for a lot of people". Yep.

[@andi91324]

again is it the Schaeffler 4 in 1 e-achsle in the f150? bcs it could explain the efficiency!

[@djerniet350]

I don't understand why any one would not want to hold the steering wheel. I travel all the time on the highway to different city's and camp ground. I have never wanted to not hold the steering wheel.

[@at0mly]

"thanks for the jerky that came in handy" things you say at kum & go

[@SheAndMe]

Your closing comments sum it up nicely. We have a long way to go to make electric vehicles viable for a lot of people.Which is why we are a mix BEV & ICE family. Holding out on replacing the ICE until the charging infrastructure is greatly improved.

[@caseywalker86]

Why is the Rivian giving some regen issues and the F150 is not? Can this be resolved with an OTA update?

[@slash196]

EA is really going to need a full rebrand, they have such a reputation for terrible reliability that even if they sort it out, they're not going to live down their reputation.

[@DaveCronberger]

So if you use the same cross country route planning you would for a Mini Cooper S EV (I have one) all should be well!

[@brettrohring]

Hi guys - thanks for the great videos. I live in Coachella Valley, which is desert territory. It’s extremely hot out here in the summer. I have a large sun roof in my Highlander now, but I leave the sliding shade closed in the summer due to the heat from the summer sun. It looks like the Rivian doesn’t have a shade to cover the sun roof. Is that going to be an issue in 100+ degree days? Cheers.

[@paulw575]

I drove my R1T today and temps were 104F. The aircon was set to auto, and the fan kicked up to half speed. Mine has heated and cooled seats, so the seat cooling works really well. The roof blocks 98% of light. Some folks in Arizona put additional tint on the roof to keep it cooler, and I have also seen a video where there's a sunshade that has suction cups that can cover the roof, blocking out all light.

[@richardjohnson8009]

@@paulw575 lol

[@Maceyee1]

never have i eve heard of a 'Kum & go` would not go down well in the uk

[@mikecarter4572]

They still need a cover these chargers

[@skyemalcolm]

Lol 😂 I just blew through 3 EA stations today and the first rule of EA is open the app and cross fingers you have at least one working unit. Bonus points for an available unit that’s best matched for your EV.

[@bill29456]

You should have set a timer when you pulled into the charger to see how long it actually took. Way too long for a road trip. Maybe Tesla has more reliable chargers cutting down the time, but in your case, too many issues just getting them to work.

[@Pab-B]

I believe Mythbusters covered this, tailgate down=more drag. Tailgate up creates cushion of air that airstream flows over.

[@daveglover4186]

Actually, the Rocky Mountains go all the way into Nevada. You only about halfway at Grand Junction.

[@billwilliams5889]

How much total time did you spend at all the charging stations ….. 4 hours ?

[@MalcolmRowley]

Watching these videos shows charging is absolute ass. I'll wait another year before thinking about switching one of our vehicles to electric