HOW TO CHECK LIE ANGLES ANYWHERE

[@Labgorilla]

Not only liked. But saved in my golf folder. You’re a legend sir!

[@EFGMC]

Too kind.

[@ph469]

Great video AJ! I like it.... Such a simple inexpensive process you can do at home. I will use this as my First Diagnosis Step to see if I have issues before going to a professional for EXACT fitting and adjustments. I also recognize that what looks like a lie when Stationary may not be the same as a Dynamic lie (when in motion swinging) as your body shifts at impact, some flatter, others, more upright. Your video is great at capturing the correct Dynamic version. 👏

[@craigdavis9760]

Great Video. Just starting to really get into golf and on a budget all the videos are super helpful. Thank you.

[@EFGMC]

Glad to hear they are helpful to you. Thanks for the support!

[@brentmundie]

I’ve been reading that a straight up and down line is less important than the desired ball flight. It’s ok for the club to be a little flat or upright (not more than a few degrees) if the flight is what you’re looking for.

[@EFGMC]

True, you can use lie angle to enhance a desired flight.

[@lagit4strokesgained820]

That range looks awesome! Also, great tip.

[@cdog3847]

I have learned so much from your videos. Thank you so much, keep them coming.

[@bobpegram8042]

It is pretty easy to make a backyard net using PVC pipe for the frame and either a bought net or a sheet of fabric. A grommet tool makes attaching the sheet of fabric to the frame more durable. I use 1 inch diameter pvc pipe for the frame and a net my former employer, a custom clubmaker, gave me. I attached the net with 12 inch zip ties on the top and sides. A driving range mat is expensive, but unnecessary if you set the immitation grass sheet on dirt. If the dirt is already flat, just lay the immitation grass out and you are done. Concrete to too hard without padding. A.J.'s mat has padding. If the dirt is not level and/or rocky, dig a 2 inch deep hole the size of the immitation grass piece, sift it to get the rocks out, level out the dirt with a rake and lay the immitation grass on top. If it is SLIGHTLY lumpy, that is more realistic and better practice. I bought imitation grass 5' x 7' for $1 per square foot - under $40. It works great. A decent driving range mat costs hundreds of dollars.

[@williamrucker3791]

I checked this after your previous video Clubs were straight up and down.

[@ccthompson2199]

Fantastic video. Thanks

[@roadtoscratchgolf3481]

Excellent video. Will go out today and check my lie angle. Thanks. Cheers.

[@adamsmith6065]

Fantastic video, answered all my questions about lie, really helpful

[@Jeff.Slavich]

Fantastic option. I have a lie board, but like this method better.

[@geoffcohen613]

If you colour the bottom of club with the sharpie, and hit off mat you will do same as a lue board, in that it will wear an area, either on toe or in middle or on heal.

[@whendtellsdetails2052]

Magnificent idea brother

[@davidsmith812]

More GREAT information!! Thank you.

[@jerrysmiley1084]

Great video....I am heading for the back yard! I am also going to re-shaft one of my irons to see if what the fitter told me will work. Replacing graphite A flex shaft with regular steel shaft 65 grams to 85 grams...just wondering what effect that will have on swing weight....any hints?

[@EFGMC]

9g of added weight usually equals 1 SWP increase assuming similar balance points on the shafts and keeping the same length.

[@lukejohnson5759]

Thanks! Now how can I bend my clubs at home to get the lie angles dialed in? Any tips on a homemade club bending setup?

[@EFGMC]

Have an idea that is going to be my video next week. Not sure it will work at all so will have to see.

[@ph469]

Id love to see this as well, but.... Yikes!!!, now we're trying to be a dentist using home power tools..... I'd prefer to self diagnosis, but seek professional fixes. 😆

[@openup007]

This is obviously the next question... how do you bend-em-like-beckham?

[@cesargarciabaltar6756]

Hi. Good idea! Pls clarify: when you say that “club came too flat, you habe to bend it upright. I thought it should be bent the other way. Tks

[@geoffcohen613]

Not all clubs are made equal, some forged should bend easy, soft steel, bends easy, cast heads, DoNot and can snap..

[@stevedavis6618]

Great tip and method. Thanks

[@hotjoose7415]

Brilliant and cheap! Thank you!!

[@MarioGonzalez-zo8lc]

AJ maybe you e already answered my question: what “home style” lie adjustment tool would you suggest? Thx great info

[@EFGMC]

Golfworks sells a small vise held iron head clamp for around $100 that can do the job. It doesn't come with a gauge so you will need to use a protractor/level app on your phone to get the angles if you want them.

[@reidthompson6272]

You def were on Superstore!

[@stevecampbell5928]

I came across this video and find it a great way to check my lie angles. I use a single plane swing similar to DeChambeau. With this flatter swing, do you think that I would benefit with a couple of degrees flatter lie angle?

[@EFGMC]

All depends on your start lines and where the ball is going at impact.

[@stevejackson734]

Great video mate👍

[@billmiller2169]

My Irons were fitted for the rotational swing. Since then I have adopted the single plane swing, Bryson DeChambeau, Moe Norman, Todd Graves. Do I need to change the lie on my irons for the new swing? Cordially, Bill

[@EFGMC]

Did you do a vertical line check with your new swing?

[@jimdaniels2333]

Great Video, so easy. Thanks !!

[@EFGMC]

Thanks Jim!

[@xx-uf6gl]

How much can an iron be adjusted safely? Most specify a limit of 2 degrees of adjustment. If one wants to build a test club that's 3 or 4 degrees upright, how does one do that? Is buying a ping w/ the color code for that lie angle the only/safest option?

[@GassyWookie]

Great stuff as always!

[@EFGMC]

Thanks for the support.

[@keithkashevaroff4987]

You did a video with Mr Short game regarding the Fujikura shafts. Do you have a line on these shafts because they are hard to find on eBay and Amazon Thank you Keith

[@EFGMC]

About to put out a companion video to Mr. Shortgame with suggestions. The Motore F3 is hard to find. You can substitute in the Motore X in the R2 flex and see similar results. Other option that should work is the PX Riptide CB in the 4.0 flex.

[@tonystopar7329]

Great looking swing! ⛳🏌️ And awesome advice!

[@jimmyReesby]

Would you suggest maybe doing this 3-4 times just to get a good average? I know I don't always get the club back to the same position every time I swing.

[@JDDD33]

Fantastic video!! Random question.. if youve had your clubs adjusted to a certain lie from the factory (e.g. new irons at +1degree upright), can you still have them rebent again, eg to 1 degree flat ? I.e. is there a limit in regard to how many times you can adjust the lies without weakening the structural integrity of the club?

[@EFGMC]

You can bend multiple times. Certain softer clubs will often need to be bent back to spec every season for example. Harder metals can be bent but will be limited in how far they can bend.

[@JDDD33]

@EFGMC thankyou very much for your reply, great info

[@ConstantlyCuriousGolfer]

Hey AJ, loved this video. I didn't realize how "flat" my irons were until I performed your exercise! I assumed I was swinging through the ball the same as at address. I measured the dynamic angle of impact of two clubs. My 52º wedge (Factory lie 64.1º) and 45º PW (Factory lie 63º). Both had the same angled lines imprinted. Can you explain, and I have an image to share, where vertical to the grooves is 90º and my imprinted impact angles are roughly 80º, does the club fitter correct the lie 10º for my swing or the discrepancy between the factory lie which is roughly 16º?

[@EFGMC]

Are the 2 wedges different lengths?

[@ConstantlyCuriousGolfer]

No, they are the same length at 35.5 in.

[@EFGMC]

@@ConstantlyCuriousGolfer Some golfers will swing different clubs differently and present unique dynamic lie/loft for each club. Sounds like that might be you.

[@seegarsmkr]

AJ, what do you think about shading the sole of the club when hitting off a mat to see if you are brushing the heal or the toe rather than the flat of the iron?

[@seegarsmkr]

Don't even need a ball

[@EFGMC]

@@seegarsmkr I'd always use a ball. Speaking from experience, my practice swings often differ from my real ones. I say try the sole shading. Some mats may be too soft and will remove most of the sole color thereby won't give much feedback, but you won't know unless you give it a go.

[@neilglynn841]

AJ I was thinking of trying the XXIO 12X lightweight club with counter balance, it's forged with Titanium face. The guy in the shop said these irons could not be adjusted for lie angle. I thought as they are forged it wouldn't't be a problem, you know anything about XXIO 12X ??

[@EFGMC]

I am not sure what the exact make up is for that head. In general most any head can be bent, just depends on the materials used as for how much you can bend it. Some irons may only allow for a degree or so.

[@chrisrose8175]

I am looking to get a new set of clubs and im interested in the takomo irons because of the price. I've been fitted for mizuno irons and I'd need them 2 degrees upright but titleist T200s I would be standard. How do I know what lie angle to go for when ordering from a company like takomo?

[@EFGMC]

If you know the final club length and the factory lie specs, you can translate those to the new clubs. And of course you can always bend them down the road if the lies aren't quite right.

[@spraydesignsbycharliecharl8240]

Great idea. Thank you

[@aramavakian]

Found you recently and appreciate your knowledge. When hitting on mats at the range I always notice green material on the toe of my irons. Without doing your lie test I imagine I need my clubs to be more upright. In your opinion how much is the proper amount to have the lie set more upright? TIA

[@EFGMC]

It's probably around 1/2 inch per degree of lie, so if you are marking the sole an inch towards the toe, might go with 2 degrees upright. This can occasionally be a bit off however if you are coming more severely from in to out or out to in. You may want to just do the line test also just to make sure we are close.

[@aramavakian]

@@EFGMC so by doing the line test and taking it to a club fitter they should know how much to bend my clubs?

[@EFGMC]

@@aramavakian I have a chart in this video showing how much to bend based on line angle. Each line represents 1 degree. Takes all guess work out of it, so you can just tell the fitter what you need done. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJakeoFjYtutbJo

[@danburnfield2302]

We need to set lie angle to +/- 1/2 degree. While the line can be measured to this amount on the club face, But there is no way we can combine the lay of the land and the verticality of the golf ball on the ground to even a couple of degrees. Is it good if you are off by 4 or five degrees? Yes this will help. The only real way is to watch the ball flight.

[@cornpop9045]

Where is that driving range?, it's very nice.

[@anthonyjames4522]

Hi does anyone change putter shafts have not heard anyone talk about it 👍🏾⛳️

[@EFGMC]

Yes. There are numerous aftermarket putter shafts on the market. Whether these shafts make any difference in terms of making more putts, I have serious doubts personally.

[@dogiego]

That iron you use looks very flat on the bottom (@4:40) which in my opinion is not a good design. Contrast that to the new Stealth irons that have a slight curvature on the bottom of the head. That curvature is there to account for small inaccuracies in the lie angle, and for various non-flat lies on the course. So yes, you should adjust the lie properly, as close as you can (knowing it will never be perfect) but the club needs to have some curvature on the bottom too. Interesting that not all manufacturers have curvature on the bottom, even the major ones are different (Hot Metals = Launcher XL = very flat, Rogue=Stealth =curved, for example).

[@EFGMC]

That can play a role but the primary reason we adjust lie angle is not for turf interaction, it's for face angle. Incorrect lie angle at impact will cause the ball to start offline to your target. The more loft the club has, the greater this effect.

[@benjaminogle11]

Would you recommend this for a total beginner who’s swing/form is not good? Not sure

[@EFGMC]

Would not hurt to check it and see if you are consistent in how you strike the ball. If you are, then you can bend them need be. If not, wait until you improve.

[@knhoriuchi]

Great tip! Thanks

[@EFGMC]

Thanks for watching!

[@steveclough7049]

At the 450 mark, you say that it needs to be a little bit more flat or upright. But you lean the club flat (for more upright) and more upright (for more flat). So should I just rely on the metrics in the graphic?

[@EFGMC]

Probably misspoke, just use the diagram.

[@Just_virge]

Can you address if the line is high and low ? Struggling with high face contact wondering what club component ie shaft heavy vs light or length could cause thid

[@EFGMC]

Club being long is my first guess. Simple to check by just gripping a little closer to the ball and seeing what happens. Could also get some lead tape and play with weight though I would guess it's more likely too heavy than too light.

[@Just_virge]

@@EFGMC thank you so much! Love your videos!!! 🙌

[@scoobanny]

From your experience, is it something that does vary when using different sets of irons? Say, your current irons are 2 degrees upright the line is straight, and you want to purchase another set of irons. Would ordering them 2 degrees upright as well be a safe bet?

[@EFGMC]

Tricky question. First thing to check is that the factory lie angles are the same for both clubs because they might not be. Also want to check the length because again they may be different. Changes in SW, static weight can also influence it. If you are moving between different models in the same brand or similar style of head (ie blade, players distance, etc) it will probably be pretty close.

[@jacklabrador6981]

BRILLIANT ! Your saying IF THE CLUB IS TOO FLAT, the player will come into the ball more "upright", and IF THE CLUB IS TOO UPRIGHT, the player will come into the ball more "flat"?

[@EFGMC]

It's all in relation to the player. If the club is too flat for the golfer, the adjustment needs to bend the club more upright. And vise versa.

[@TypicalAllstar]

Can to much of an upright angle cause topping the ball more?

[@EFGMC]

Maybe, though I would have to be extremely upright I would think for it to have that sort of influence.

[@weedote1]

could it not mean that I just got too steep or flat in my swing and I need a lesson before altering my clubs? Thanks for your info

[@EFGMC]

This only tells you what you are doing right now with the swing you've got. If you are working on swing changes, I would probably hold off on equipment changes until you have those somewhat ingrained.

[@timothycarry]

Sounds way better than lie board

[@methodicaljuan]

Now if I can just remember to carry masking tape and dry erase markers with me! 🤣 Great information AJ! What part of the country are you and Can someone make an appointment to come see you?

[@EFGMC]

I am in Atlanta, GA and am about to open a fitting studio and build shop in the next weeks.

[@methodicaljuan]

@@EFGMC well I can’t wait to get the notification on that information!

[@youfindwhatyoulookfor6444]

Very smart ..Thank You Very Much

[@EFGMC]

Thanks for the support!

[@wayneboehm5203]

great tip.. nice

[@ZachOly]

Any way to check loft angles without special equipment?

[@EFGMC]

Here you go. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGq2cohvr7N1fM0

[@scifisicko2390]

Most adjustments to lie angles are in the 1 to 2 degree range. I've found this method doest work that well because 1) I might not draw a straight line 2) I cannot position the ball on the ground so the line is perfectly vertical 3) My path and face are not always zero and zero, if they are not the line will not be vertical 4) I can't tell whether the line transfered to the club face is vertical or tilted by 1 or 2 degrees. For people that have a plastic chopping board at home, these work perfectly as lie boards.

[@2tall54]

How often will the lie angle change as you play rounds of golf?

[@EFGMC]

Depends on the swing, on the head material, and if you practice on mats. I've seen some that need adjustments multiple times in a year and others go for years without any change in spec.

[@ph469]

Good thought. Also recognize that our body (and swing) changes over the years. As a senior, I'm certainly shorter (and rounder 😆) than I was for my fitted clubs 7 years ago. I am now upgrading clubs and getting a fitting that suits my body and swing for today.

[@jimsaddler942]

Awesome! Thank you so much for sharing this with us! 👍⛳

[@reidthompson6272]

I think you had the adjustments backwards?

[@reidthompson6272]

I think I was mistaken but was confused by angle of club in description.

[@ultimatejay]

What dictates an individuals lie angle? I know height and arm and leg length play a role but doesn't his/her swing also play a role and maybe they should be fixing their swing and not making lie angle changes.

[@EFGMC]

Swing will for sure influence it but the number of golfers who are going to actually want to or be able to change their swing will only be a small percentage.

[@billmiller2169]

Oh, also, it looks like the toe is in an upright position. I have a very shallow plane.

[@dtgps]

Appreciate your videos, thank you. Over the years, I have found that irons go out of lie angle more often than I would have thought. A video by George Knudson, stated that the butt of the club is the same height off the ground through the set. This led me to conclusion that if I aligned my clubs with soles flat on a level surface all of the butt ends should be the same height from the floor. Once you find the ideal lie angle for yourself simply use the height of the butt end from the ground as the template for all the others and bend where necessary. cheers 14:17 "designed so butt end same distance from the ground" kzbin.info/www/bejne/al7NZpmFm9irp9E

[@timothyphillips4801]

Brilliant.

[@Texxas750Cruzer]

Thankyou

[@tonycrews2758]

I reckon those balls are on the roof of the house behind you AJ lol 😂 grate information again mate thanks 👌

[@EFGMC]

I've lost a few truth be told.

[@dtgpsinc.4289]

Correct lie angle of your entire set,anywhere, anytime without any tools in a few minutes. As George Knudsen stated in his classic video, The Natural Golf Swing, golf clubs are designed to be the same height above the ground at the butt end, (when soled level on the ground). ie our hands are in the same position for every golf club. Find the club you hit best, most consistently, then note height of butt end is from the ground with sole level to the ground. Every other club should have butt the same height from the ground. if not, bend until every club has butt the same height from the ground(floor) We are forever indebted. Thank you, George. kzbin.info/www/bejne/al7NZpmFm9irp9E

[@dtgpsinc.4289]

14:15 kzbin.info/www/bejne/al7NZpmFm9irp9E

[@user_1664]

Why not just get closer or further away ? Better surely to work with what youve got . From a learning point of view anyway .

[@mrjedmonds1]

This guy loves masking tape

[@clegg4507]

Well done, lie boards are useless.

[@chadz6728]

Tried this in the golf store and left marks all over the projector screen lol

[@EFGMC]

That is funny.

[@jacklabrador6981]

LMAO....thats funny

[@jasongraham5648]

Lie angle is useless in terms of physics. You set your lie angle on a flat surface. Then you go to the golf course where there isn’t a single flat surface in sight. Not even a tee box is perfectly flat.

[@ph469]

Great thought, but I think this process has validity as an insight. I'd rather have a proper fit club on a poor lie than a improperly fitted club on a poor lie that increases the variables for errors.

[@The559Jeff]

Ben Hogan played with irons 6 degrees flat! The toe cuts and the heel digs. Hogan took half the course out of play.

[@nunyo7259]

Never seen such blatent early extension lol

[@EFGMC]

Not a pro! Just an equipment pro.

[@nunyo7259]

@@EFGMC I’m aware. Just thought it was funny.

[@freddycouples4499]

Good information, but this should be no more than a 4 or 5 minute video.

[@paulc3517]

Great idea thank you