[EGLL] How does London/Heathrow work? (LLFIN SECTOR)

[@VASAviation]

*New Sunday, new episode!! An airport many of you had requested... LONDON!!!*

[@JoeDFWAviation]

How did you do London if it doesn’t have LiveATC?

[@peteralderson2995]

This is Heathrow Intermediate and Final Director combined at a comparatively quiet time. The Final Director does not normally handle aircraft from the ‘stacks’.

[@VASAviation]

I'll try to do more videos at busier times.

[@t288msd]

Agree. Light traffic. Nothing holding in any of the 4 stacks and one controller doing everything. Good demo all the same

[@VASAviation]

@@t288msd If I see support on these videos, I'll definitely do more videos from EGLL during pick hours ;)

[@MarkPentler]

People on the channel know about the simulator "London Control" - right? You can play as this position and many others, including bandboxing sectors together.

[@luisdonoso1913]

How did you get the communications from Heathrow? It's not available in LiveATC

[@gatwickguy]

You can't broadcast atc it's illegal. But you can listen/record in handheld airband scanner/receiver.

[@WorldTravelA320]

T MOT so a person with an air band scanner can listen to it. But can't hook same scanner to a computer and stream to Live ATC?

[@gatwickguy]

@@WorldTravelA320 Even on listening on scanner not completly legal. It's grey area and nobody understand outdated law. It's illegal to listen to any radio service which is not authorised/licensed for general public but the authority(ofcom) who oversees doesn't have atc on their list like pirates radio stations

[@mstriker3656]

Just so it's crystal clear to everyone, listening to, or making available recordings of UK frequencies is not legal. Regardless if you act on the information received. Refer you to www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/89037/Guidance-on-Receive-Only-Radio-Scanners.pdf You can thank the wireless and telegraphy act 2006, section 48 for the lack of UK atc recordings :(

[@omniryx1]

I believe that a strong argument could be made that ATC transmissions do not fall within the legislative intent of the laws cited. I believe the intention is to prohibit listening to or recording communications of a personal or private nature such as cell phone conversations. It would be extremely difficult to argue that an ATC communication with an aircraft somehow constitutes confidential or private information. In any case, the law is laughably unenforceable and can safely be ignored when it comes to routine ATC-aircraft communications. I very much doubt that the Crown has ever attempted to prosecute someone for "illegally" listening to landing instructions. De minimus non curat lex.

[@alexb4828]

Very nice video! It's always interesting to see the controller working in the Heathrow Final Sector. How do you guys recreate the radar screens?

[@georgeprout42]

I only found this because of the poll you recently posted. Nice to finally "see" my house on your channel 🤣(I'm a couple of miles from the WOD NDB)

[@VASAviation]

So bad KZbin is not sending you the videos :(

[@clewerhillroad]

The damn aerial is right next to my house - see more PPLs navigating around it than birds :)

[@philipwhiuk]

As an FYI Shuttle is BA for internal flights - it's Speedbird for international flights :)

[@wilsonvega2792]

Very good video, i really like the way the ATC works.

[@VASAviation]

Thank you, Wilson!

[@cjmillsnun]

Not sure why the information letter was silenced. It changes every hour.

[@cm2468]

Didn't even know that this was uploaded. I have all notifications on but KZbin still can't do it's job. I think I just need to check your channel myself a couple times every day instead of waiting for a notification.

[@VASAviation]

Maybe turning the notifications bell ON works. But KZbin isn't working well lately.

[@Trek001]

I assume this is not to scale - City and Gatwick are some distance away from Heathrow

[@VASAviation]

Yes, this is to scale. EGLC is 19.5 miles away from EGLL. EGKK is 22.5 miles from EGLL.

[@Trek001]

@@VASAviation Huh... Its just that on the screen they are all bunched together

[@ClarkyAv]

You're looking at the extended centrelines as your point of reference - they are not the runways. This is the correct scale.

[@keeli5575]

Are you on the run from Ofcom?

[@Snowstormzzz]

This should be useful for Endless ATC

[@VASAviation]

Absolutely!

[@gatwickguy]

Nice video but it's taken in one of the quietest time. :(

[@VASAviation]

We'll do more videos during pick hours! ;)

[@officialmcdeath]

EZY78LM appears to be Glasgow - Luton - why would it be so far southwest? Especially if landings are from the east on this day.

[@VASAviation]

EZY78LM is Barcelona-Luton.

[@officialmcdeath]

@@VASAviation ah thank you

[@tomstravels520]

Probably a tricky approach for controllers. No proper RNAV approaches direct to the ILS like most airports. Just STAR to the VOR stacks and then manually guide them in

[@VASAviation]

There are published initial approach procedures for both west/easterly configurations from all 4 VORs that can be found in the charts.

[@LennyColton]

Those are for non-radar use only but ATC generally follows them (but it’s the controller’s preference).

[@TheReverses78]

Please! Do paris CDG!!!

[@alia3858]

What is LLFIN

[@firstofficerchris1321]

Hello, can you do the ATC audio on the Hawaiian airlines flight attendant dying mid flight?

[@haguilar84]

HA50 if you're looking for the flight number

[@VASAviation]

Yes, I will.

[@chrisbrowne1956]

Lived under flightpath...you get used to it.

[@iatsd]

Sorry, but that does almost nothing to explain it unless you already know what you're looking at.

[@VASAviation]

Obviously you need a minimum knowledge to understand this.

[@James-H84]

@@VASAviation do you think you could do a video covering the basics?

[@thoughtsandprayers]

I can't even understand what people are saying. Usually not even a single word. How do ATCs and pilots even work? lol

[@VASAviation]

We are trained for that

[@thoughtsandprayers]

@@VASAviation I mean I don't understand it acoustically. Keep in mind this is LHR and english skills are on point for nearly all those on this recording, but that's still not good enough. Examples: 1:37 "Lufthansa 922, leave Lambiourne heading 270" - what I hear: "Lunine 22 Leevhamohaydeeto Seven Zero." I feel like most of the communication might happen less through the words actually said and understood, but more through the sense of agreement in the voice tonality. "descent to [altitude] X feet" appears to be a great example, everyone is pronouncing this in such a sloppy way, no outsider could ever understand. It kind of reminds me of handwritten patient file documentation (like (changes to) prescriptions for patients in hospital wards). Doctors oftentimes have a hard time reading what other doctors wrote, but it somehow gets understood by what it most likely would mean. In medicine, this is often a source of dangerous mistakes.

[@VASAviation]

We understand that instruction clearly because we know what we're talking about. You ear is not used to this kind of lingo, that's it.

[@thoughtsandprayers]

@@VASAviation So what if I you're a pilot flying within the EU and it's your first time flying somewhere where they speak really bad english, with very different pronounciation patterns, like Asia?

[@VASAviation]

Standard universal phraseology makes things easier.

[@gibbo9089]

3rd!

[@martintheiss743]

QNH 997. Lets set 1200 if we can?

[@VASAviation]

What?

[@martintheiss743]

@@VASAviation if the radio callout for QNH barometric pressure goes out for 997 pascals why not set the altimeter pad to some grotesque alternative number like 1200 or 700 to fake out the flight recorders. And no, I am not a pilot.

[@Grubse]

What the fuck are you saying

[@younggunz4081]

First!

[@jstrahan2]

Not very well.