EHX Pitch Fork Plus VS the Original: Which Wins?!?

[@robertcrist3822]

So I bought the Pitchfork plus thinking I was going to love all the features, well, my original Pitchfork is back on my board- it just sounds better and I like the functions better with the bass guitar. It feels tighter!

[@chordsoforion]

Interesting. I have not yet tried the Plus with my Ibanez bass. Will now proceed to do so!

[@jefflegrand8473]

@@chordsoforion I just bought one to use with Ibanez basses, and the tone is, in my opinion. excellent when engaged, and it's highly transparent when bypassed.

[@mattgilbert7347]

You should do audio book readings for Audible. That voice is a gift, my man. You could even provide the backing music to set the mood...

[@kickbiker7920]

Good point! He has a very listenable voice

[@graphene1487]

Agree!

[@Find-A-Band]

The Bob Ross of guitar pedals.

[@tbdaemon]

They sounds pretty much identical, I can't tell them apart. I guess this one comes down to features vs. ease of use.

[@treyalexanderhaislip]

Both tones with distortion is awesome! Thank you for the demo!

[@phogue1]

I love putting a fuzz after mine. Sounds astonishing.

[@ukaszukasz7059]

I love ehx pedals, I have 5 of them in my pedalboard (Mel 9, superego +, Octavix, 720 looper and Mod 11)

[@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy]

I have the original Pitch Fork on my board. It is AMAZING for harmonies, and it REALLY makes my shimmer reverb come to life. For guitar, I have it set to pitch DOWN, either as a perfect 5th chord, or octave down. For bass, I do the opposite. Set it to pitch UP, either as a perfect 5th chord, or octave up. As for the blend knob, set that to 25%. Your shimmer reverb will thank you.

[@chordsoforion]

Excellent!

[@nicolasespinasse]

Totally agree. The magic (for guitar) is somewhere on the down pitch, high pitch should be half less in the overall signal, just to clear a bit the muddyness. But with the PF+, we can do that simultaneously. We'll have it mid february in Europe. Can't wait. And the good news is: with the "old" one and the PF+, it makes 3 pitches running in series. Some crazy stuff should come out :p) And by the way, you indeed have to lower the mix to get all chords sound ok, but it's an amazing pedal. Never play cleans without it for a long time.

[@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy]

I would like to hear what 3 pitches sounds like. I imagine that would be pretty nutty. The original Pitch Fork has a dual up AND down switch, although I never use it in dual.

[@nicolasespinasse]

@@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy I'll do some experiments in february with the 3 pitches. Should be funny. If someone from EHX ever read this line: is there a way to filter low ends (for the Pitch Fork +V2), to avoid pitching (too hard) low E and A strings? Gets even worse on 7/8 string instruments. Often you let go a setting only because of the bass strings, although strings D to high E sound interesting. EDIT : thinking about it, a high pass filter could be usefull too, to tame the high E string "harsh" on +12 or +24 settings. Just saying. Thanks

[@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy]

Sounds like a Tube Screamer would be your best friend.

[@andyf8351]

The beard is looking powerful these days my man!

[@RobertPeacockGuitar]

I think that the Pitchfork+ sounds slightly better... That said, I believe it is because the + has level controls between shifters. The only fault with either is lack of midi control unfortunately!

[@reidponce]

Love your channel and your playing. Need much more of this

[@supercalmingmusic]

I have the smaller Pitch Fork. I just don’t like unnecessary complexity that I will never use. I tend to find two or three sounds I like and stick with them. I’m easily pleased!

[@DetroitMicroSound]

Really close to giving in, and buying the + for use on keyboards, and drum machines!!! 😎👍

[@mindjob]

Bill looks more like a member of Z Z Top every day

[@sirnatanielson]

Just stumbled across your channel looking for more on the original Pitchfork. Looked at one many years ago but never got one, and then took a few years break thanks to kids. Back at it again, my pedal buying frenzy kicked in and I'm randomly looking at this again and probably going to pick one up. That aside, I'm all about ambient guitar and lover of post rock so i will definitely be checking out your channel some more!

[@jbtenney]

I can hear the latency in the Plus. It also has more high end sparkle. I guess it's taste. I like the original better, but I could see why some people might like the sound of the Plus better.

[@aennekin83]

I hear a ton of latency with my +. Should not have sold my original for it.

[@71goaliemask]

Still relying on my venerable digitech whammy for similar (ish) ideas... but ehx is always tempting.... when I lift my self imposed pedal hiatus this might be on the list!

[@lightnintrucker]

I want the original Pitch Fork with an expression pedal.

[@adammindykowski6984]

To my ears they sound the same Bill. I like the extra functionality of the Pitchfork+, however, I think I'll stick with the original Pitchfork that has been a huge asset in my effects chain since I bought one a few years ago. It does everything that I currently need from a pitch shifter. Great comparison though.

[@matttaylor4467]

Cool. I just recorded something using my original on P5. I much prefer the smaller footprint of the original on my tone plank, and for my purposes the additional control isn't at all necessary. I don't use the Pitch Fork a whole lot, but when I do I love it.

[@juanvaldez5422]

Have you played the plus or just the original?

[@GreenSkyDill]

Can I just say that I love the term “tone plank” and will proceed calling my pedalboard that forever now

[@chrisgugino1957]

are the settings reflected accurately through the whole video? because it looks like you left the original in fully-wet settings, while the plus has dry dialed back into the mix. either way, they both sound awesome and i’m probably buying a plus next time i grab something new.

[@geoffreymerrifield5666]

Outstanding video Sir. Really appreciate your wisdom and skills. Helps a lot!

[@chordsoforion]

Thanks!!

[@geoffreymerrifield5666]

@@chordsoforion Have you had experience with the Digitech Drop? It seems to have less digital garbage, sounds cleaner, but does a lot less.

[@chordsoforion]

No I do not, but have heard good things about it.

[@Hid4ri]

Would love to hear this vs ring thing too. I have one and was considering moving to pitch fork because of smaller footprint and mainly only use harmony effects on it. Though the phaser effect on it is really nice…

[@mobiledaw1436]

I have a ring thing and I’m keeping it. It has its own thing and will pair nicely with the plus. Expecting delivery this week.

[@tristanseume]

Quick question: can a dual aux switch control each shift (with a gliss) independently? I.e., momentary switch A glides up a tone; momentary switch B glides down a semi-tone. I'd love to recreate a sort of pedal steel effect, with having a second Eventide H90 on my board!! Thanks!

[@MrSixstringthing]

IMHO the + wins because it's stereo and has an expression 1/4 in.

[@OTGSoxxy]

I think the Pitchfork Plus has some subtle filtering going on, but it might just be me.

[@kvancsosyalmedya755]

I think the original sounds is more kind of raw. The plus is kind of more balanced sound with the harmonics but the musically for my taste too much control on mid tones and balance. I like more outstanding sounds and the original really has identical character. Thank you very much for the comparison. I was thinking which one to buy and it really helped. Greetings

[@DLC1325]

With such a great ear it really surprises me that the pitchfork is your go to shifter. I’ve played them all and Digitech’s Whammy-specifically Bass Whammy in Chord Mode-is BY FAR the most natural sounding. It isn’t even close if you’re after a natural sounding shift. The pitchfork sounds like a synth organ or something. The Whammy sounds like a guitar/bass. I’ve gotten my Jazz Bass to sound like a Tele with it. And it tracks perfectly. Just my 2 cents.

[@strangefruit7261]

Hi DLC...thanks for that.....im trying to achieve natural guitar power chord sounds (Les Paul preferably) by playing single strings on my bass. Currently doing all the research on how best to add to my single original Pitchfork. You think the Digitech Bass Whammy would be best for the sound im looking for? I figure I can switch over, mid song, to my Pitchfork for guitar solo sounds..........maybe that too is an easy transition within the Whammy? Cheers

[@adamwayne6476]

The digital garbage finds its way into the delay repeats making for really neato artifacts. I still love the whammy shifter the best for this although it’s just too much of a tank for my board. Pitchfork rules!

[@garyletsch1070]

With my new pedalboard assembled, I am in the market for a pitch shifter that can give me two separate pitch shifts in stereo, with one routed to each channel, plus the dry in both. Primarily, I’d be using a slight detune pitch shift for a chorus-like effect, less the modulation, and shifted up a perfect 5th for playing leads. Expression pedal use would be a plus, but not essential. Smaller size and less weight would be a plus too, because my large pedalboard is looking like it might be a back breaker if I populate it full of the heaviest pedals. So between these two pedals, any recommendations for my needs. Low noise is important too. I’ll do strength training before hauling noisy pedals around.

[@Nightbreed82]

I don't think either of the Pitch Forks will do exactly what you're looking for, but the Source Audio C4 Synth will.

[@marcusstrymon693]

How about usability? Is the Plus more versatile? Thinking about the fact that you can use s1 plus s2 independently (like 21 = 5th up, s2 = 1 oct +5th up, like s1 = octave down, s2 = m6 for instance). You can only pair certain down + up for the normal

[@chordsoforion]

Yes - the Plus is definitely more versatile.

[@dstroviolin]

I love my original Pitchfork but it’s the noisiest pedal on my board, by far. The new PF+ is true bypass, does anyone know if that solved the hiss problem?

[@mikeroadblock]

Isolate your power supply? Mine is quiet.

[@dstroviolin]

@@mikeroadblock Thanks, I tried that, even tried battery power. Nothing worked until I bought one of those tiny Donner noise reducer pedals. I was able to shoehorn it into the board, placing it right after the PF. I dialed it in & only turn it on when using the PF. Clumsy solution but it works!

[@SymptomsofVoidintheBody]

check out the original power supply (ehx 9.6v) , i had the same issue but that solved it!

[@dstroviolin]

@@SymptomsofVoidintheBody Tried that, it didn’t work either! A noise reducing mini pedal is the only thing that worked.

[@duaneanderson6393]

sounds like there are sound tuning problems? the guitar when shifted does no sound very worthy of of the instrument used. I find the over all tone to be something that I would not use. I guess the sound of pitch shifters are not something I care for the sound of. Thanks for saving me some money . as always good demo , certainly no sale.

[@st.g]

I've used Pitch Fork for quite a few years. It might be for the "wrong" reason but I use it to transpose my locked-in Schecter for quick tuning drops. I was hoping maybe the PF+ would color the tone less. The volume knob might be a good improvement as the original PF not only colored the tone but amped it up quite a bit. I like the versatility of PF compared to DigiTech's DROP, but maybe there is a better option for what I use it for?

[@chrissullins3]

I've been using 2 of the EHX original pfs for over a year after comparing a few of the 'pitch only' pedals and the EHX still tracked very well compared to other brands in the same price range. You have to go up in price to Eventide before you're going to do better.

[@bandzettosaki66]

When it comes to tracking, my Ehx Hog is much better than my Pitchfactor though.

[@YamilIsaac]

Another missed oportunity by EHX to put midi in their pedals with presets

[@benjamincoggins6568]

I agree. It does have onboard presets though.

[@CommunityGuidelinez]

The main reason I use this pedal is too emulate the old school distortion guitar Midi sound, and adding low octave tones to a basic sinewave melody is exactly how that is done, and the Pitchfork does it perfectly. I'd see no reason for this pedal to have a connection for something a basic midi keyboard can already do better. I'm interested in what you would do with such a connection though. Do tell

[@R3dbudd]

So you can change presets when you change patches say with an HX Stomp. Like have it set up for slight detune for clean, octave down for crunch and whammy for lead patch.

[@EarleMonroe]

I agree. I’ve kept my eye out for a decent price on a Pitchfork Plus (being cash-strapped right now.) I ran across a great deal on the EHX Slammi Plus, which looks amazing and arrives next week. But it also lacks midi capability. It would be great to send midi messages for presets and not have to fiddle with knobs between songs, or be stuck to one sound for a song. Oh well…

[@iRemainNameless]

@@benjamincoggins6568 you can tap through them with the second button?

[@EarleMonroe]

Hey Chords of Orion, have you tried EHX’s Slammi Plus? It looks pretty cool

[@tdrake59]

I purchased the original a few years ago after watching your video about it. I still like the original sound better, and it serves my wants just fine.

[@chordsoforion]

Great to hear!

[@Elhardt]

"I still like the original sound better." ... Oh for crying out loud. Both pedals are made by the same company and I'm pretty sure use the exact same algorithm. There should be no sound difference. I also own the original, but don't use it for guitar. I use it with synths. The bandwidth of the pedal is really low, so it's not hi-fi. It uses lots of closely spaced overlapping windows so it smears out sharp transients mushing up the sound. It's not quality pitch shifting at all.

[@tdrake59]

@@Elhardt You may be right about that, but I don't see any need to drop $200+ for the new pedal. The original one works great, and the new features don't seem worth the expense or footprint.

[@markferguson3745]

I think that's what it comes down to, in choosing between the two; does the Plus have extra features you'll actually use, or just take up more space and look prettier?( though usually discouraged by flashing digital read outs...). Peace.

[@JosephBurleson-f4w]

I like the original pitchfork which may give a slight boost to the dry. While the plus slightly sounds darker.

[@williamratcliffe7833]

Question.....the original pitchfork goes 1, 2, then 4 pitches and skips the 3rd....meaning, if I am in A, and I keep dialing the pitch key up, it will go A#, B, then C#......Will this pedal allow me to hit the 3rd, or C, note that the original pitchfork doesn’t????

[@TheVioletPress]

Yes the Pitch Fork + Let's you hit the "-3" or "+3" semitone

[@ed.t.hansen6499]

A volume pedal for each effect would help. all pre-setup ahead- be able to plug in a multi button-pedal for each effect would be a plus.

[@cleftturnip7774]

Can you get rid of the original guitar signal completely so you can play bass lines?

[@chadwickerman]

02:10 Digital Garbage would be a great name for a band.

[@avalon1734]

Hey Bill, have you tried any of the hexaphonic pickup setups. I am running the RMC piezo setup on a Strat using the VG-99 and GP-10 pedals. There are no artifacts whatsoever when pitchshifting and almost no latency. I mainly use them for flawless alternate tunings cuz you can program each string independently to whatever note you want and intelligent harmonizing as you can set the scales and it plays the correct notes. You can even split the fretboard to have multiple instruments string specific. If you haven't tried it I strongly suggest you do.

[@pedrockjesus]

Is it possible to drop and whammy simultaniously? (On pitchfork plus)

[@Mr_A_Mia]

Hey Bill,! I’m very curious and have been wanting to ask...how come you havent reviewed the Eventide H9? I know your channel isnt ALL about reviews, but as versatile and as great as it sounds (in my opinion), i would have guessed i’d see it mentioned in your channel. I respect your channel and opinion very much, so its one of the pedals i would have “expected” to see your channel. Is there a reason why and has anyone asked you about this?? Thank you for all you do!

[@chordsoforion]

TBH, the main reason is cost. I have reached out to Eventide in the past to see if they would send me a demo unit and have never gotten a reply. Thanks for reminder - time to try again!

[@allandoughty1039]

Got a dumb question for you. What kind of FX can you get when you plug your original Pitchfork into your Pitchfork Plus? I'm actually a bass player and use the original pitchfork with a Tech 21 California to make my bass sound like an electric guitar. I'm thinking about getting the Pitchfor Plus so I can split my signal so as to play guitar and bass at the same time using the fifth setting on one pedal and playing down one octave on the other. I'm also planning to use my original pitchfork as a dedicated whammy while plugged into the Pitchfork Plus. If you could experiment with both pedals together, that would be amazing!

[@microbulldozer]

+1. I want to do the same thing

[@aLucastube]

I wanted the original, but the plus is on sale at Sweetwater right now, and it's enough of a price difference that I went with it instead. It may have added complexity and stuff I will never use, but $60 bucks is $60 bucks.

[@sun6moon9]

So strange...when you played that "complex" chord i found the digital garbage more musical on the Standard PF...but for after you played some bits where i found the plus had better tracking and the pitchshifting more clear, readable and present..Especially with distortion towards the end. Is it just me?

[@sun6moon9]

Now listening with my AKG K171 phones i have to say strangely my opinio differs from my previous comment. Didnt noticed such a huge difference between the digital garbage, nor betweehn the tracking and clarity. Altough till seems like the Plus version is a bit more clear and clean. Just slightly. Damn..I need a whammy and octaver for Gilmour pitchs and brian may harmonies...and i need it by tomorrow so i can finish this work i have going on. Very much indecised between whats out there. I am looking into the Pitch Fork because it can do whammy, harmnies that you can change the modes while playing(with exp pedal) and get a 2 different octaves like you said using the fight above and an octave below. Sometimes choices are both heaven and hell. I dont have much money so i gotta make the right one. Thank for the video. Stay safe outhere

[@whiteshadow67]

Are these pedals any good for transposing the key of a song without using a capo?

[@matbenn]

Have they fixed the background hiss the original Pitch Fork had?

[@JosephBurleson-f4w]

The main thing about pitch shift pedals is tracking even if you're playing like Yngve Malmstein. The Boss OC-2 greatly failed at that while the TC subnup focused on that in the design. The Brainwaves sounds great. Does the pitchfork track as well as the subnup? The pitch fork plus has a slight and I mean slight volume drop with a very almost unnoticeable shadow over the tone. Not enough to maybe consider unless you're a tweak nerd.

[@djrea4815]

Hey Bill, great demo! Putting functionality aside, which do you think sounds better with chords? or is it so close that it really makes no difference. Secondly, great stuff with the distortion, were you running the drive into the pitch forks or was it vice versa?

[@chordsoforion]

I think they are very close as to how clean chord playing is. And as far as distortion goes, I generally run the pitch fork after distortion.

[@djrea4815]

@@chordsoforion Hey man I really appreciate such a quick response. I suspected as much regarding the distortion.. This will make me reconsider my pedal chain order

[@inhaste6007]

Can you make two different intervals with the pitch fork original above/below? Like you said 5th above 1octave below? i thought it was impossible? greetings mat :)

[@chordsoforion]

There is a dual mode on the Pitch Fork original that allows it to produce a pitch above and below the original. They are however, fixed intervals. So for example, when you select the P5 pitch option, it will produce a pitch a perfect 5th above the original and one octave below the original.

[@inhaste6007]

@@chordsoforion So the dual is always a octave below the original independent of the shift (the pitch option) ? for example you play a C (with P5 option dual) is will be G C C- (and not G C G-).

[@chordsoforion]

@@inhaste6007 Best thing you can do is look at the manual. It describes how the dual option works with each pitch interval: www.ehx.com/products/pitch-fork/

[@renatosguimaraes4296]

Pitch Fork Or POG2 Poly Octave Generator ?

[@allyourbasearebelongtous2191]

Big Muff after one of those is special.

[@nibrocnoel3240]

Question: with the pitch fork + can you turn shift 2 on and off using the bypass switch.

[@omarbravo9713]

Hey great video! Which one has less latency?

[@chordsoforion]

Hey Omar! I am unable to measure the latency exactly, but from a playing perspective, it feels the same to me.

[@chrismengos8379]

Nice review! Between the pitch fork and nano pog, which one would you recommend? Thanks you

[@chordsoforion]

If you want to do anything interval beside an octave then the Pitch Fork for sure.

[@chrismengos8379]

@@chordsoforion Comparing the same features (octave) which one tracks and sounds more realistic? Thanks

[@gitaaa7740]

For me comes down to real estate. The plus takes up more pedalboard space which I need. Its a never ending process setting up your pedalboard 😩

[@danielpicha630]

can you use the pitchfork to tune down to C#? (1 1/2 steps)

[@hydras5018]

You could just use a capo a fret up and go down two

[@hydras5018]

You could just use a capo a fret up and tune down two but idk if u can do half steps

[@markferguson3745]

You want a expression controlled , pitch octave that's a little diff? Check out the Malekko Downer, - very cool, very Ambient ,~but also nasty, ~depending on needs.

[@rh3806]

What amp set up are you playing through and what kind of settings?

[@chordsoforion]

No amp. It's the Strymon Iridium amp modeler, set to a Fender style clean tone. All gear is listed in the description. Thanks!

[@GuitarAnthony]

Had the regular Pitch Fork but it had to go when I found the Meris Hedra. That pedal is a monster.

[@marpymellow3805]

Yes but with a monster price tag!

[@Elhardt]

I'm under the impression the Hedra only wants a monophonic input. So it's not really a replacement if you need to pitch shift polyphonic material.

[@tomcaron9113]

Where did get that beard from man? No way it’s your’s, too perfect! Sorry, just a bit jealous. Sold the Pitch fork but the Plus might be coming home.

[@bkt6025]

Maybe if you could do the test with acoustic guitar, purity difference might be more obvious

[@kenkarsh]

I got a great deal on the Pitchfork +, so my comment might not be as unbiased. I don’t hear much difference. I love my new/used Pitchfork +

[@redcomn]

Have you tried meris hedra tho?

[@chordsoforion]

No I have not.

[@-RandomBiz-]

To my ear, the Plus has a bit less warble and more treble. One cool thing you can do with the original that you can't with the Plus is cycle through the pitch knob for bagpipe effects. However, the original can't do minor intervals though you can probably find a way to transpose so you can access them

[@jimbob7332]

educate me....how does one get bagpipes

[@stratofever1]

You have to try the new Polyphonic effects added in Line 6 Helix’s latest firmware! Unbeatable!

[@chordsoforion]

Do you know if it’s available for the HX Stomp? If so, will give it a try.

[@stratofever1]

@@chordsoforion It should be, check out Line 6's download page... you will throw away both Pitch Forks after this ;-)

[@kevinmooneyham686]

@@chordsoforion it is. Be forewarned that the poly effects are DSP intensive, so options are limited when using these effects.

[@davidbuzzin426]

👍🇺🇲❤ORIGINAL

[@johnduval482]

The is a difference to my ear but hard to describe,.”Brittle”.comes to mind but with distortion how could you tell, it’s all brittle at that point LOL

[@shazam333]

I actually thought the original sounds punchier, regardless I think I'll buy the + for it's x-mod features

[@Palefirecreative]

That beard flows like a rivulet in a dreamscape.

[@ciegocap9444]

El pich original es un sonido más real analógico. El otro es muy sintetizador. Y ahí va el gusto de cada uno. Yo análogo.

[@marpymellow3805]

Hmm, for any real improvement on the 'digital garbage' we may have to wait for the Pitch Fork Plus Plus. BTW - you're really rockin' that beard Bill!

[@markferguson3745]

I don't think EHX will be the ones to improve it,- betting on Walrus, who are killing it, with digital and analog.

[@ed.t.hansen6499]

all kinds of stuff that you can't control with your feet. ! I wish to use all effects -VARIATIONS LIVE.

[@andy_J_11]

Irrelevant, as both have terrible buffers that suck tone. Why aren't they true bypass ffs? I'd use the pitchfork as a bass emulator but the tone loss was one of the worst in any pedal I've ever tried, plus a hissing noise when bypassed.

[@jnnyg65]

Santa!

[@Volcom1323]

Now that’s a beard!

[@chordsoforion]

Unfortunately, it's a little shorter now, but it was fun while it lasted. :-)

[@ChelloBertora]

No entiendo nada!! Subtitulos al español por favor!!!!!!! 🙏🏼

[@charlyhernandez355]

Learn english

[@ChelloBertora]

@@charlyhernandez355 que es "learn" ?

[@SpartanLaserCanon]

5:54 Lol Digital Garbage...

[@bigmarkdarula]

the ps6 seems to sound better

[@jaimeuranga6295]

I feel the PF+ a little bit darker. If we take only sound, i would buy the PF, but the plus has more knobs to play. I just bought a SLAMMI PLUS, could you make a review of this, will be very helpful to me i think 😁? I like your playing and attitude 🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@frankfrank7921]

You are so intrinsically creepy. I'll bet you've got a job at a mortuary, and love your work.

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

Hedra destroys this pedal