POG Vs. Pitch Fork VS. Sub N UP

Ryan puts on a funny shirt and then pits the Micro POG, Pitch Fork, and Sub N Up Mini against each other to see how they sound the same, and how they sound different.
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[@jomama5171]

Somewhere an Irish pirate is missing a shirt.

[@60CycleHumcast]

lol

[@johne1599]

The Pitch Fork sounds the most natural and musical; the most pleasant to my ear.

[@koscheii101]

This dude dressed up as sunrise on a spinach farm. +1

[@60CycleHumcast]

i like the way you said that

[@thevileirish6764]

Hey, someone has to be the leprechauns groomsman

[@FreeformRock]

omg I just died laughing

[@adriansoto5964]

😂😂😂

[@buckbumble]

Best comment I’ve read on KZbin in ages 😂

[@_Ike]

This was the best pedal demo/shootout I've seen. Excellently done and presented.

[@jay_thedog_man5169]

Are you going to a wedding in the 80’s?

[@HensleyDon]

+James_42_Art - It is obviously years overdue for a good cleaning. It has serious something growing full bloom all down the front!

[@leeknivek]

it's call fashion, look it up

[@gabe4u22]

Id wear the same thing if I we're going to any fancy occasion

[@commentfreely5443]

he's the groom

[@cthulhustentacles]

This demo is the reason I bought my pitchfork. All the info I need to know about it. Also done raw without being in a mix so you can actually here how it really sounds. To much of the demos on the mix anymore. No one wants to hear I finished mix of s product. We want to hear raw what it sounds like out of the box not what it sounds like processed through a computer. Thanks for this real raw knowledgeable demo. It was a breathe of fresh air.

[@60CycleHumcast]

Glad I could help! I still use my pitchfork often.

[@pelicannoiseworks3212]

I really dig the sub n up with fuzz. Clean, that pitchfork was my fave. Above all, that tone shirt sounded superb

[@pstrokeslibsarctic]

Thank you Dan from The Black Keys for reviewing us pedals

[@Ferretsnarf]

That Subnup with the fuzz before it was HUUUUUGE. I wasn't convinced by it at first but man, that was quite a sound

[@jacobl6572]

When blending the tone knobs just right, I was amazed how warm an natural my own Sub N Up sounded. I got rid of my old moor pedal, it was similar to the EH pedals, just too harsh & fake synth sounding for my liking.

[@leobender2910]

Is Sub n up good at making a faux 12 string/Rickenbacker sound? POG seem to sound super synthy

[@ritualafterlife]

Not my choice of octave pedals but that shirt sounds fantastic!

[@geraldfriend256]

Disagree..I think it sounds like shirt.

[@ritualafterlife]

@@geraldfriend256 Thats bullshirt and you know it. 😆

[@Infinighost]

I have the POG2 and couldn't imagine going back to an octave pedal with fewer features. I absolutely love it, especially the Attack control.

[@mattgilbert7347]

Love the Pitchfork

[@paulangelo1974]

I need headphones. I stand alone liking the sub-n-up. It has some volume stuck but I thought the tone was the cleanest and least colored. The TCE seemed to not color or emphasize the additional harmonics. The Ehx pedals sounded synthy. I wonder if pairing these with the Ehx Knockout (one of the greatest pedals made) would clean these up. I do like the expression pedal option with the pitch fork, octave and whammy in one package. I also like the dry out on the Pog; dry to the pedal board and then to the guitar amp, wet to a bass amp. Great video, thanks for this.

[@mozz7946]

POG is cleanest sounding octave effect, almost dry and more pleasant to my ear

[@mikelarson7856]

should have turned em all on at the same time

[@60CycleHumcast]

i was already worried about blowing my speakers just running the sub n up.

[@thekventin]

Octave down → octave up → octave down :D

[@mikelarson7856]

mortigisto my thoughts exactly

[@TaglitoFilms]

I walked into my local guitar shop one day to try out the micro pog (I owned one previously years before), and ended up leaving with the pitchfork. It's cheaper, smaller, and way more versatile. The only thing the micro pog has over it imo is the ability to adjust the two octaves independently.

[@nazarakgamer]

I'm sure u can do it with the Pitch Fork +

[@EricNielsen85]

Brah, I'm becoming addicted to your channel. Just checked the podcast as well and it's mega. New subscriber and thanks!! (I've been waiting for a comparison of these three for a loooong time!!..)

[@60CycleHumcast]

ntfb85 thanks! And welcome to our little corner of the internet!

[@RuelMorales]

Micro POG wins if you want the closest simulation to a real bass guitar IMO.

[@passionplayer7]

Was waiting for this vid! Awesome! I’m a little biased towards the Pitchfork, but having other harmonies available is great, plus in “dual” mode the other harmonies are not just what they say, but are specific like 5th/octave, m7/M6up, etc. which can be very inspiring! Add in exp out and “latch” and you’ve got a packed winner! Haha

[@bjl1000]

All I can say is OUCH! I like the DROP.

[@phatman1478]

The Sub n Up definitely sounds the most "artificial" to me. I preferred the Pitchfork.

[@LeviBulger]

Through a bass amp, the sub and up sounds awesome. Great for modern electronica or edm bass lines.

[@oliveratheissen8539]

Anything comparable to sub n up ? Mine was stolen and delivery takes almost month 🙄 need for gigs something similar in meantime

[@LeviBulger]

@@oliveratheissen8539 The Boss OC5 is the absolute best right now. It's amazing. POGs are obviously awesome as well, but they sound kinda corny like an organ in most settings. But the OC5 sounds very natural and has no latency. You should be able to get the OC5 or POG almost anywhere. The Boss is really affordable, and just sounds amazing. I love mine.

[@LeviBulger]

@@oliveratheissen8539 Where are you located?

[@geraldfriend256]

@@LeviBulger Yeah it does blow the Oc3 away..but I still want bazz octave and fuzz at the same time with one click.The oc5 can sound just like an oc2 which is stupidly priced and won't track as well as the simulation.

[@LeviBulger]

@@geraldfriend256 Is the OC5 simulating the OC2? For some reason I thought I had read it was the actual OC2 analog circuit without all the functionality. Either way, I only ever use the modern mode on my OC5 anyway. And yeah one click for octave fuzz is great. But I have to say that I personally am so addicted to the OC5 with a Zippy Fuzz or my FZ2. Such a massive sound.

[@steven_uk]

I thought the SubnUp sounded terrible in comparison to the EHX pedals. I think the Pitch Fork sounded the best and the extra features make it the best choice overall. The stereo wet dry output on the Pog could be vital for some players though.

[@soohz]

Brilliant video. Nice and friendly but also very informative. Thanks!!

[@rokinrandy]

Electro Harmonix has actual customer support and it is pretty damn good. So that is where I would put my money

[@xXEmbracetheMetalXx]

Holy shirt, that was a great demo! 😜

[@nickwort123]

Imma need you to bring that shirt back asap

[@colecosby5632]

THE SHIRT IS GREAT DON'T LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE

[@Wanielyo]

Most interested in the low octave, from listening carefully I think tc seems too woolly, no attack/punch and notes don’t cut off immediately, so staccatos are impossible. Pog sounded better on the chord but pitch fork had best attack for single lines.

[@markferguson3745]

Have always used the PF,- really need the exp pedal control, but TBH, prefer a lot of the TC sounds & Toneprint.If they added that feature, I'd be sold.

[@andyjm7122]

Pitchfork is a great bass emulation but needs a true bypass looper with it as it sucks tone big time.

[@gary9564]

Pitchfork sounds most vibrant.very cool

[@JoelGilardini]

I always felt the octave down on the MicroPog and Pitchfork sounds the same, it's that woody middy sounding EHX pitch algorythm (I used to have also a Ring Thing at some point and it had the same character). To my ears the difference is that the MicroPog always sounds like there's still a tiny bit of bleed from the octave up, also with the pot fully turned down. For my needs I use since years a Digitech Drop, suits better what I play. But as always de gustibus! ;)

[@jameshurd1328]

I do like the shirt. I would rock that shirt. Also the Pitch Fork is the pedal I have my eye on.

[@1956chip]

Nice video. I am not at all surprised at the dismal sounds coming from the Sub n Up because the sub knobs were set way too high. I tried both the POG and the Sub n Up (but not the Pitchfork) and IMHO I got a better sound from the Sub n Up with the Sub 1 set at about 10 o'clock, beyond that it starts to become too bassy for me(Sub 2 was useless to me). Conversely the POG's Sub Oct needed to be set higher (at about 2 o'clock+) to get more lows. I'm just saying that the bass kicks in way sooner on the TC electronic and should not be set identical to the EHX products to get the same result (ex; like the bass setting on a Roland amp vs Fender amp). BTW I really liked the EHX POG, costs more but probably worth it.

[@gabe4u22]

This man is pretty awesome

[@connectedevolution]

I liked the sub n up mini so I bought it!

[@MatthewSahlgren]

The Sub N Up also has a second lower octave that is set pretty prominent here. I'm really surprised you didn't damage the speaker. I also think that it overwhelmed the fuzz pedal.

[@psilocypher]

That’s only on the sub n up, not the mini, which is what’s being used here.

[@stoutlager6325]

The Subnup works best for bass. The up octave tones are much nicer and don't bring out a bunch of tinny fret noises like the other two do on bass.

[@jonmatthews4254]

Handy shirt for ST, Patrick's Day

[@chumbo]

Something definitely wrong with the Pitchfork at 6:17!? Although you say it and it shows on the dial of the pedal....that is NOT a 3rd but a 4th! Strange.

[@Tone-Oz]

Ryan, did you do an affordaboard pitch shifter ever? Anything that you like out there? Thanks

[@inrewts3936]

Dude!!!! Love the shirt man! 🔥

[@jacobgreenwalt929]

I've had the Pitch Fork for about a year now, and my biggest gripe is how artificial the octave sounds are. The Major 3 and Perfect 5 are great, but the octave sounds are way too synthesized. I think I'll be picking up a POG soon

[@f.hounderclay1368]

I would've loved to have heard all three octave pedals stacked.

[@calvinbass1839]

I think the shirt actually works for you.

[@clairecampbell8328]

Bloody love that guitar

[@mdeck77]

0:35 Ryan's voice breaks in anticipation of the coming octave drops.

[@chumbo]

Interesting...I've always been told to put the octaver BEFORE the distortion as it would track better but I find it sounds WAY better with the octaver AFTER the distortion! I learned something, thx! ;-)

[@MrNarwhalFace]

chumbo I find this to be true with analog monophonic style octavers but not the modern polyphonic ones

[@J4060]

Bonkers shirt, duuude!!!

[@flynnsontide]

That was very helpful. I picked the pitch fork. Will do the subnup mini if I hate the pitch fork

[@chrishepburn1503]

The Sub n Up sounded horrible compared to the EHX pedals. I have the Pog so I'm biased

[@KeeperOfPoops]

no it didn't, it sounded wonderful compared to the EHX Pedals

[@niclastname]

I agree. It sounds awful if you want it to sound like octaves of your actual guitar. It doesn't sound like an octave of the dry signal at all. It sounds more like it detects your dry frequency and then generates synth notes for the octaves or something...

[@nandoblondemobydick5438]

I want a big bass sound (to create bass drum line in Techno Music with my guitar) i don ´t care if it is dirty or not, so the TC for me no doubt, the other two have the EHX sound color and i don ¨t like them too much, thanks for the demo

[@60CycleHumcast]

the tc delivers in the big bass territory. I was afraid it was going to blow my speakers out, lol.

[@nandoblondemobydick5438]

@@60CycleHumcast yes that ´s why is good for electronic music use, i play guitar through a Twin (Victoria 20112) which as bass input, also i can pair it with other electronic gear like kicks from my drum machines and other percussion elements

[@jacobl6572]

I like the warmer bass that you can easily be dialed back. You would probably not run it full bore as it was reviewed. To me ithe TC sounds less poly-synth-digital across the board. I ran it through my 1 watt BlackStar with a custom 12" cab, it sounded amazing.

[@DanyAguilar]

Pitch fork my winner

[@eggs2627]

haha love the shirt

[@Joe-hm1zk]

Micro Pog was woah. I own a pitchfork and now I feel like I need a POG. I normally love TC pedals but that sounded rough compared to the EHX pedals.

[@KeeperOfPoops]

the POG is great for jack white's tone

[@bruhdamartinasty3636]

Hmm, you said there's a big "tone difference" between the SubNup and the other ones. Wish you had explored that!

[@bobbyberetta4206]

That’s a sweet shirt! Smooooooth

[@SD_Marc]

What happened to that shirt, and why don't you wear it all the time? Interesting demo, thanks!

[@andrewpolitano]

The Sub'n'Up sounds really compressed and muddied to me. The Pitch Fork sounded good clean, however when hit with a wall of fuzz, compressed a lot more than the POG did. For the cash, I'd say the Pitch Fork still reigns supreme, even though you seem to lose just a smidgen of the audio quality and some people purchasing won't benefit from some of the features it has because they're so eclectic. I do want something that has the ability to blend BOTH an octave up AND down though, so there's that part of me that's wanting to have a POG married to a Pitch Fork.. Also though, where do you find those super thin patch cables?

[@geraldfriend256]

They may be George Ls..you can get the kit and make your own custom lengths..great tone.

[@StephGV2]

Is that Sub'n'Up using two lower octave tones like the bigger pedal, even though it only has one control? I kind of wish that it had been loaded with a Toneprint that sounds more similar to the POGs. It seems capable of it in other demos.

[@FrankHerfjord]

sub n up is the best with mid/high gain overdrive. Which you didn't even show although it's the most common tone for most guitar players...

[@robpaige2376]

I don't like the way the Sub 'n' Up sucks the life out of the signal, but love the Pitchfork's liveliness. With the fuzz in the pre- position, the two EHX pedals reminded me of some of Jon Lord's more aggressive sounds, so would be good for bands covering Deep Purple with no keyboard player. Hideous shirt, by the way. Please burn it (and film it so we can be sure it's dead).

[@PeaceMusic53]

I like the Pitch Fork the best and the Sub Up the least.

[@batcatstudios]

Bring back this shirt!

[@AlphaOMS]

Well done video! You broke down all the most important features/contrasts of each pedal but right to the point! And, nice shirt! Lol. Your a good sport!

[@davec1491]

Dude if your going to do a comparison at least make it fair. You made the sub n up sound more artificial cause you have the octave up up to high on it. When using the octave down you had it turned way up on the ehx pedals but barely at all on the sub n up. You need to at least try to equal the levels put

[@UTDSUCKDICK]

for me the fuzz before the pog was killer, they all sound good but the sub n up was a bit more all sub not much up

[@dukeplow]

This guy has the “Chris Elliot from Cabin Boy” look

[@lw1391]

These pipes are cleeeeeeeaaan!!!

[@slimturnpike]

I ordered a Sub n Up this morning, then watched this video and almost regretting it, although I'll primarily be using it with fuzz and in this demo it sounded good with fuzz. Clean settings I preferred the EHX pedals. Of course they're quite a bit more expensive, too.

[@meganhumphrey3272]

nah u can make it clone them if u wanted once u hook it up to the computer member

[@nigris8382]

I dont know why, but now I want some spinach and cheddar cheese sub

[@DavidMiller-re1gf]

What could you suggest for life in the fast lane riff / octave

[@brenthorrocks]

dude that shirt... i think there is a seinfeld episode about it...

[@brenthorrocks]

by the way thanks for this video, i actually didn't know what all these pedals did, and now I do.

[@brodyswisher8085]

is it just me or do all of the octave ups sound bad?

[@JackJack-rx9em]

I think the octave up sounds horrible when he plays that g chord

[@Agent36]

I’m highly disturbed by your resemblance to Chris Elliot and Burger Planet. I’m sonically enticed, but visually I have to look away. Good vid.

[@Sancho_Retablez]

Enter here for Ryan's shirt. Stay for the pedals.

[@robinwagner8713]

Whats the fuzz you are using, I cant quite understand the name of it 😀?

[@leandrodavid6256]

Nice review

[@DanielBJames]

interesting shirt Ryan :-)

[@KenGotGuitar]

Wondering what would happen if you turned them all on at once...

[@gary_stavropoulos]

I would go with the pitch fork and then the sub n up and pass on the pog

[@figarofeegarrooooo2782]

my mate has got the sub n up and uses it for his bass with an octave down sometimes and its fat as

[@iansantos123]

Is the sub n up mini polyphonic

[@davidcamargo7143]

Yes it is !!

[@eugeneblac8119]

how much lag and tracking is in the pitchfork? it feels well? thnx

[@wychwoodmusic]

Can't... focus... on... pedals... blinded... by ruffles Edit: that massive fuzz'n'up sound knocked me out of my daze and made the decision for me. Great vid, thanks!

[@geemac7267]

Did you enjoy the prom?

[@60CycleHumcast]

Gee Mac72 I didn’t go to prom

[@geemac7267]

It's okay man, me neither.

[@ModestEgg]

Jerry, you're gonna be the first pirate!

[@60CycleHumcast]

I DON'T WANNA BE A PIRATE!

[@deathmaybeyoursantaclaus]

Ryan, where did you get that footswitch topper thing you've put on the POG?

[@60CycleHumcast]

its a barefoot button.

[@brandongore711]

Is that an Airline guitar?

[@60CycleHumcast]

Brandon Gore yup

[@zobotrombie]

So this is what White Prince looks like.

[@Josbornevonosborne]

Is this just a coincidence with the pedal that was released today?

[@60CycleHumcast]

what pedal?

[@Josbornevonosborne]

60 Cycle Hum slamming plus by ehx

[@60CycleHumcast]

oh, the pitchfork in a exp pedal, yeah thats just a coincidence lol. I honestly think its better to use an external exp with the pitchfork than the Slammi. You loose the momentary settings with the slammi.

[@Josbornevonosborne]

60 Cycle Hum meant to say slammi, auto correct made it slamming lol. I don't know a lot about these kind of pedals, I use very traditional sounds

[@Justaguy11199]

Just seeing this now, but, the shirt? You're.pulling.it.off.

[@jay13thstep]

Can anyone advise - what’s the best one to get for doubling up my guitar to have a bass sound on top of the regular guitar tone? Our bassist has left the band and I need to quick time buy something to cover the cracks at an upcoming show. Thanks in advance!

[@zed739]

The Pitchfork looks like your best bet and you can get it fast through Sweetwater, but if you don't route it through a bass amp then you'll get the tone but not the oomph, which imo is the whole point of a bass player. Unfortunately bi-amping is a whole other can of worms that I don't recommend putting the effort into for just a short-term fix. You might be better off finding a temp bass player, using a backing track, or just doing without.

[@caplippi]

I hate this shirt so much i wanna cry. keep up the good work tho'.

[@Finniganmydog]

LMAO. And then when you check out That Pedal Show the Sub n Up sounds much better and Dan wants to put it on his board . Love the internet and people always looking for “the best”.

[@JK_35]

i'm a bass player, would the pitch for perfect 5th work for filling up space under a guitar solo in a trio setting?

[@turbine3780]

Ideally get 2 pitch shifters tune the first to a 5th up and the second to an octave up then put them on at the same time you'll be filling the bass and guitar frequencies

[@oliveratheissen8539]

Can’t find a anywhere sub n up but need it for gig next week !! Any octaves comparable that would be a available? Thx for advise 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@60CycleHumcast]

I still love the pitchfork, the sub n up has a lot more low end in my experience but the pitchfork has been more usable for me.

[@oliveratheissen8539]

@@60CycleHumcast for my purpose I loop a base line with it ... and use the different sounds when I play with trio I’m only guitar no other instrument besides drums and vocals - what would you suggest for that ?

[@60CycleHumcast]

@@oliveratheissen8539 it looks like sweetwater has the sub n up in stock, they usually ship pretty quick but you might want to give them a call to be sure it will get there on time. I think most octave pedals will give you bass sounds pretty decently in that application, but the sub n up does feel extra fat compared to others I’ve tried. It honestly made me nervous for my speakers when I’d use it.

[@jimthecraftyguitarist878]

Pitchfork probably sounds the most interesting to my ears. I'm just a little surprised people considered the PF the most "natural sounding" as it's very metallic sounding, but musically metallic sounding 😁

[@therflcommish]

Isn't there an otter shirt you could have wore?