EICMA 2024: CFMoto 800MT-X 4K

[@geecee4746]

Its no longer a matter of buying a cf moto because it's cheaper, id buy one now on looks alone. Stunning machines

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Agreed. They, and Voge and Kove are now producing quality bikes that aren’t just bad copies of others.

[@andrewtreloar7389]

@@geecee4746 agree totally!

[@lughole]

Thank you for all your eicma coverage. Really good.

[@PeakMotorcycles]

You're welcome.

[@davidz8]

Excellent video, interesting how popular the CF Moto stand was, I don't think we are many years away from CF Moto setting up large dealerships in the UK and moving away from the KTM dealership model. My 450mt build quality is as good if not better than my Tenere, also the attention is fantastic. The 800MT-X looks a great proposition.

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Yes. All that. I’ve just been to get my BSA serviced. They also do Kawasaki and Benelli in addition to CFMoto… they have lots of the others but can’t get enough CFMotos of any type to satisfy demand.

[@lycian123]

I've ordered the 450MT without a test ride. Lucky to get a cancelled order otherwise here in the Canaries the next containers aren't due until March/April, Much lighter than my R1150R and on an island with more tracks than tarmac (FV) it will be used more. If it gets anywhere near what fun I had on my old F650 Funduro, I shall be very happy. After market stuff for the bike is huge already. Thanks for the videos BTW, really enjoying them

[@PeakMotorcycles]

I’m sure it’ll be fun. I know quite a few folk going from 1200GS’s to a 450MT instead of a 1300…

[@1990-t1j]

Someone I knew rode a CFMoto from China to England, and this was years ago. It didn't break down. The 800NK looks wild from the front. Nick

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Thanks.

[@pascalrival2414]

Hy Andre, an another very good video from EICMA, full and complete information, tanks a lot👏👏👏👍

[@PeakMotorcycles]

You’re welcome. That one was tricky as the stand was so busy.

[@TonyChettleburgh]

I was at the NEC yesterday for motorcycle live but was disappointed with the CF Moto stand as they didn't have the 675 SRR. Why not ????

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Proximity to EICMA and Brexit is my guess. They used to just load bikes onto a truck and drive them here from Milan. Motorcycle Live is big in the UK, but it’s very much a local show at the global level. The paperwork to get bikes over to the UK has stopped some from exhibiting and limited what others will bring.

[@stevesanelli90]

Thanks Andre, another great presentation of a cool brand 👌

[@PeakMotorcycles]

My pleasure!

[@IanSixbikes-by6ei]

It's getting difficult to ignore CF Moto's bikes as serious competitors to the established manufacturers from Europe & Japan , the 450MT is great looking bike that's well equipped and a very competitively priced , the only down side in UK was you couldn't get one because they were all sold out !! The 800MTX looks good and if it arrives in UK then I will taking one out for a test ride.

[@PeakMotorcycles]

It was probably the busiest stand at the show. So definitely not being ignored, quite the opposite in fact. Between the 450MT and it's derivates, the 800MT and now that new 675 Triple in both a sports and naked bike, they have a pretty good line up. The 700MT is a bit of a lump, but most of the rest are good, if not class leading for the price.

[@lucke1022]

Mhh I have to say that CFX electric Dirtbike looks really clean. CF-Moto has some talented Designteam.

[@anxiousappliance]

Kiska

[@THE_LOFI_DUDE]

they have same design team as ktm

[@anxiousappliance]

@@THE_LOFI_DUDE kiska

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Yup, what they said!

[@alanwright9112]

Looking forward to videos about your 450 mt

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Me too. I have a few weeks at home in the new year, but hoping to make a start before then.

[@125ZJK]

The "big 5 YAM HON BMW SUZ KTM and others could sell their bikes at competitive prices , if only they weren't so greedy.

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Indeed, but they have nice dealerships and marketing campaigns, which don't come for free. I'm not sure there's massive profits in motorcycles, even for them, but costs can be reduced if you have lower overheads.

[@tommipaunonen4051]

I don't understand why they still keep telling 175 kg as curb weight for 450MT. Everybody already knows it's 195kg wet.

[@slakk5093]

Because people hear it on a video then repeat it ad nauseam and then people believe it. I’ve seen multiple reviews from professional reviews that say it’s 175 🤦‍♂️

[@PeakMotorcycles]

I’ll fill mine up and weigh it. Would that help? I need to an intro video for the mods anyway so can tag it onto that.

[@David-m7f3g]

Because it feels like 175kg ❤😊

[@HumanButcher150]

@@David-m7f3gno, it doesn’t.

[@rosskoko100]

Quick question. Are you there on a press day or a normal public day. It looks much less congested than the NEC.

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Tuesday was the press day (when I'm wearing a black Peak Motorcycles shirt). Wednesday is the trade day, so about 10x the attendees vs the press day (White Peak Motorcycles Shirt) Public days from Thursday-Sunday, but I don't try to film then as it's just too busy.

[@cobber427]

MTX looks great 👍

[@PeakMotorcycles]

I think so too!

[@nickabrahall1412]

Hey Andre, don’t know if I missed it but you mention extra weight of the 800mtx but what is the dry weight (or kerb) Thanks mate

[@PeakMotorcycles]

I have the press pack, but no mention of dry weight. Only 220kg kerb weight. That's with the standard 22.5L fuel tank (The 8L aux tank is an option)

[@nickabrahall1412]

That’ll do me 👍

[@DeepakKumar-bl8eq]

They also have an 4 cylinder bike no?!.. did u see 8:41

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Yes, I think so 500SR perhaps?

[@constantinosschinas4503]

MTX with a higher, even flatter seat looks promising. The 450MT also has rear tanks as an accessory.

[@nickabrahall1412]

How much do the rear tanks on the 450 hold?

[@constantinosschinas4503]

@nickabrahall1412 You can find the tanks at uncle wang's shop. They are not cheap and they say 7liters. I guess 3.5L each. And more than 150€ each.

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Ouch!

[@andrewtreloar7389]

Andre, what is the wt weight in kilo's for the 800 MT-X?

[@PeakMotorcycles]

220kg I’m afraid. Though that is with a 22.5L fuel tank and the 48mm fork. For comparison, the KTM790 with a 20l fuel tank and 43mm forks is 199kg dry… but I’ll bet it’s at if not more than 200kg wet. The MT-X also has 30mm more suspension travel front and back (230mm vs 200mm) and though I can’t find numbers, my guess is that it has 30mm more ground clearance. The seat height is 830/870mm vs 840/860mm on the KTM… so the CFMoto can be both lower and higher than the KTM.

[@interceptorm5]

Just ordered CM Moto Explore.

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Nice. I hope it takes you to some cool places.

[@martyn_g]

Rode a 450MT, was disappointed tbh. The engine ruins it, I reckon - it’s too short geared, revs its nuts off at 80kph. So, you could argue it’s geared for off road, but it isn’t that light either, it’s around 195kg wet. So, if you want to go off road as a focus, you may as well save 45kg and get the new DRZ.

[@PeakMotorcycles]

I have a 450MT and have gone up a tooth on the front to reduce the revs during running in. That said, in the national park where I live in the UK, the speed limit is 50mph/80km/h almost everywhere, and the gearing is ok for that. Stock gearing is too short for motorway riding, but then that's not that much fun either. Will it be any better with the 5 speed gearbox in the "new" DRZ?. I thought the closeness of the ratios was a complaint with the old one. I've tried to find the new ratios, but so far I've not been able to confirm them.

[@KevinDaken]

I own a 450MT, and don't see it as a dirt bike, but as a Touring ADV bike, with some gravel roads thrown in. I'm tall and heavy so have added the tall seat and screen. The firm suspension is a good fit for me. The engine rev's don't concern me, as I've often owned smaller engined bikes in the past, these are designed, to rev so no harm is done. I also like the flexibility the lower gearing provides. Stock they top out around 162km/h on the rev limiter at 9,300rpm. This is on the low Rev side compared with many 400cc class bikes. Having owned many off-road bikes in the past I see the new DRZ largely being in a different market to the 450MT. Yes the MT is heavier, but it's also much more comfortable and spacious on the road, has a much greater fuel range etc..

[@airadaimagery692]

Very nice, affordable machines.

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Yup, I hope they prove to be reliable, particularly the one I bought!

[@bakeroLJ]

whatever your stance on cfmoto or chinese bikes is there's no denying that the likes of the 450MT and the kove 450rally have made the big manufacturers stand up and notice a long neglected segment in the market. KTM now giving us the 390 adventure they should have made years ago. BMW with the 450 concept and even Rieju getting in on the action with the 307. its a shame Honda didnt make more of an effort to upgrade the 300 rally aside from a new paintjob.

[@PeakMotorcycles]

The Rieju 307 has the engine from the Voge 300, though with the bigger fuel tank, better suspension and michelin tyres from new, I think that's one of the best, lightweight adventure bikes there is. Why pay 50% more for a Honda with a tank half the size, no adjustable suspension and IRC's?

[@slakk5093]

There’s already early owner reviews of the mt-X in china. Some in English. Looks good but unfortunately seems hampered by electronics. Lots of menu jumping to access abs and traction control settings

[@HumanButcher150]

Not only the electronics but these bikes are also VERY unreliable!

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Oh. That's not ideal. You'd think a thumb button on the bars would be ideal.

[@Meldonator]

800MTX, Voge 800 Rally, Kove 800 Rally... My 800DE begins to worry when I look at the chinese bikes now! ❤️‍🔥😁

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Did you see the 800 on the Aurora stand? (It's the 4th bike in my video), they've taken a VStrom 800 and made it into a rally bike! So there is still some hope.

[@Meldonator]

@@PeakMotorcycles yes of course I have faith in my Suzie! Cycle World did an awesome job on their 800DE and Hessler too has a great preparation for this great bike. But costly bike plus upgrading her... money, money, money :D

[@Albie-f5k]

The one big problem with these bikes is depreciation in value

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Though I’ve previously had a BMW R1200GS that lost £6k in three years. Even if my 450MT is worth nothing bin 3 years, I’m a still £300 better off.

[@defylifeadventure]

but you aren't investing, you are buying something to 'consume' as it were.

[@HumanButcher150]

The other one is that they are VERY unreliable.

[@kloppskalli]

I like the design of the new CF MOTO 790 ADV bike... such a shame that it's that heavy 😢 I wish Kove's 800X was that handsome 😅

[@defylifeadventure]

Yeah CF Moto don't seem to care that much about weight savings. Helps keep them cheaper (and not by that much) than the some of the European bikes.

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Yup, that is the only downside. That said, it has better components than the KTM 790 and is a comparable weight for less money... so while no lightweight I do think it's a serious contender.

[@yellowbearworks2535]

The Chineese new wave will disrupt also the bike market, not just cars and earlier mobile devices. Finally, for the greater good. Legacy manufacturers will have enourmous problems, most of them deserve it, too. The 800 MT-X is the textbook bike KTM sould have made in the second iteration fo the 790, I trust the twin engine's camshaft is better heat treated here.

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Yup. Let’s hope so. That has put a lot of people off KTM’s….

[@HumanButcher150]

“The greater good”?… LOL. The “greater good” of what? 😁😆😂🤣

[@yellowbearworks2535]

@@HumanButcher150 Sorry, I am not a native speaker. I meant, making good motorcycles more affordable, i.e. for a wider audience. Legacy bikes grew blatantly expensive for most. IMHO

[@vplph]

It is indeed for the greater good. The traditional brands have become lazy and expensive. It took KTM 10 years to come with a lightweight 4 or 500 cc adventure bike and they totally missed the mark with the 390 adventure, although KTM has every part for that type of bike in their range. Basically, traditional brands believe they make the market and stop listening to the real market. The hungry Chinese did.

[@AR9ify]

You need to get the girls on the bikes on video as well so we can enjoy the full beauty in synergy.

[@stephenbryson5618]

It’s a bike show thats what Im here to see, the reason we didn’t see all of the bike is because of wants sat on the bike..

[@Smonkus_]

Coomer

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Thanks, but not everyone shares your view. I'm sure there are plenty of opportunities to find them on the internet if you wish. You have my apologies for cutting them out or asking them if can film just the bikes.

[@elmanortega]

No, please, no girls on the bikes. There is no point

[@ripmax333]

Those two cruisers are really elegant, simple and beautiful. They not trying to copy anyone but they come up with really two beautiful motorcycles, unlike Honda with the Rebel design🤮

[@HumanButcher150]

So what did Honda with the Rebel design?…

[@ripmax333]

@HumanButcher150 looks like an unfinished product..IMO

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Yup. they look good. Mind you, I see a few Rebel's around too, so I guess there's a bike for everyone.

[@bikenavbm1229]

real world weight obviously top importance, the "aux" tanks unnecessary to most great for the boys down under, be great if they are an option, as a shortie seat height is critical to me. electronics for myself ABS needs to be easily switchable it could stay off permanent that be fine, I really would like scaled traction control too, I imagine soft power setting would be nice, not had much so most not a deal breaker to me accept dangerous ABS, its weird you would think if there was to be anything the chinese would be particularly good at it would be the human-electronics interface. thanks for the insight in to this new to me model. anybody know yet the real weight, remember weight depends on "ready to go spec" sumpguard, protection ,rack etc.

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Hi, not yet on the real weight I'm afraid, but as it comes with the sump guard and bars, I guess those would be included from the outset. When they start coming through I'm sure there will be a video. If they let me borrow one, I'll weigh it!

[@MiroMiro-ke2cv]

Temu bikes

[@PeakMotorcycles]

May I ask what you based that on? Personal experience? Unfortunately it is that view that will be the end of some established manufacturers. It’ll be like Japan in the 1970’s. May I ask what you ride?

[@MiroMiro-ke2cv]

@@PeakMotorcycles Temu bikes mean that you can buy god things for low price. It is not negative ting, but not for me. I ride Honda Africa twin. Honda forever! Do you ride CF moto?

[@PeakMotorcycles]

@@MiroMiro-ke2cvI have a CFMoto 450MT, so yes. Though I also have a Honda CRF300 Rally, a Honda CT125 and until recently a Honda CB1000R. I also have a BMW R1250GS, a Kove 450 Rally, a RE Himalayan and others I’m afraid. My garage is full.

[@stevenbatley8666]

Who's condemning Chinese Bikes now,the Japanese must be worried!

[@PeakMotorcycles]

Yup. They should be. Though nice to see Suzuki moving into retro bikes with the new DRZ 🤣