Eighty Years' War (1606 -1609) Ep. 15 - War for Peace

[@malarauko]

I know you get this on every video but just jumping in while this has a low view count to say this is a great series, really epic undertaking to plot out the course of a conflict which really tells a much wider story about the development of modern Europe and the world as we know it. Thanks

[@DefraggedHistory]

Thanks very much for your kind words. It's pretty massive, but I figured, if I do this, I should do it right. Or as close to right as one can get with history.

[@dutchman7623]

@@DefraggedHistory Excellent! As always. Complete as possible. And presented in such a way that captures the attention during the entire documentary, with emotion, modern language and a little quirkiness that creates a smile during a historic journey. I am not a historian, but this really is a 'standaardwerk' in my opinion and should be in every library.

[@PensadorProfundo42]

If you're not one of the greatest (yes, 'est' indeed) storytellers I've ever seen, I don't know who is. The writing (and the whole production, as a matter of fact) is brilliant: enticing, fun, and tremendously detailed. It feels as if the story is a tapestry in which every thread is linked. Such a great work. Thank you!

[@DefraggedHistory]

Thanks for your kind words. You're right, everything is linked. I also leave breadcrumbs throughout the episodes so eventually it all comes together and everything makes sense.

[@aldiboronti]

I'd always viewed the history of the Low Countries through an English lens in the past. I've learnt so much through this series. Your narration is as impeccable as it is engaging. Thank you!

[@DefraggedHistory]

Thanks for watching! It's fascinating to view history from different perspectives. Though it can also be a little frustrating to have to adjust my ideas about things I thought I knew. But I remain curious.

[@zephyrus339]

Colour me very curious; how does the history look like through the English lens?

[@dutchman7623]

From a Dutch point of view, her narration is relatively neutral. In other videos I always get the feeling 'here we go again' after five minutes and feel a lot of biased views on these matters. Defragged History really tries to keep the balance, and not be dragged away to one side. Though neutral objectivity is impossible.

[@MarcusAgrippa390]

@@zephyrus339 It has an east end London accent and kind of looks like Richard the lionheart

[@DefraggedHistory]

@@dutchman7623 You are right. One must always assume both sides have biases. Knowing this going in and trying to weave a narrative that remains as neutral as possible while also keeping it somewhat entertaining is a trick and a half. Pretty sure I don't succeed everywhere, but I try my best. I'm just glad I found the Spanish version of the Gibraltar Battle. [spoilers] The person who wrote it said that for Spain, this is a lost battle that no one cared to talk about much.

[@anotherdaywasted2297]

The part of the Eighty Years' War with the fewest number of battles and casualties but just as intense the drama and complexity. Just speaks to the quality of the video!

[@DefraggedHistory]

Thanks! But Episode 1 would like a word. 😉

[@JohnEvert77]

AbFab! As a Dutch man learning more of Dutch history than any local schools/ national tv, docs. Brings new insights, new political angles and brings the whole era to life! Hats off to Defraaged for providing this oustanding research and unique presentation. Should be obligatory in Dutch schools!

[@DefraggedHistory]

Dankjewel for your kind words. Here on KZbin, there are no time constraints. I'm sure that helps. Plus, it's free for anyone to watch whenever they want.

[@JohnEvert77]

@@DefraggedHistory Yes, but there are only few that are able to provide such detail whilst keeping the audience captivated. A masterpiece! Looking very much forward to the next installments. All the best to you

[@nilsvisser4383]

Worth the wait! Fantabulous as per usual.

[@DefraggedHistory]

Thanks again!

[@Raadpensionaris]

One of the best episodes yet. The Battle of Gibraltar is really proof that the Dutch were now a major naval power. They could defeat the Spanish in their own waters now. Also good to see that Oldenbarnevelt and Maurits are on good terms again. Bet that will last a long time

[@robhendrikx2198]

Depending on your definition of "a long time" you might just lose that bet.

[@MarcusAgrippa390]

Yeah! Been waiting for this, sucks that I'm at work now. Anyway your ability to pronounce names and such in so many languages with ease is simply quite impressive. Rock on yo!

[@DefraggedHistory]

Hope you get to see it soon! I hammed the pronounciations up a little bit for this episode. ;-)

[@MarcusAgrippa390]

@@DefraggedHistory You can ham it up all you want lol It's still impressive but you can always include the pork in the bloopers reel!

[@temporaryinnanity]

I am of Portuguese, English, Dutch, and French ancestry. My back is Portuguese, my aesthetic is French, my mind is English, but my soul is Dutch. Being American, I have never understood the Dutch relationship with its Monarchy. Learning about the 80 years war has really helped me understand. I'm old, and you have opened my mind to something new. Thank You.

[@AudieHolland]

Excellent. Sorry for being late. Never realized that the Twelve Year Truce was not just between the Dutch Republic and Spain. In History Class back in the day, England would show up as some unneccessary extra in this drama and France wasn't mentioned at all.

[@Svinegaard1]

Never clicked at a video so fast before. Excellent as always, can't wait for next episode!

[@jameswilliams3241]

Fantastic content! I've had an interest in the 80 years war since an older neighbor gave me her books from her college studies, one of them was Castiglioni's Book of the Courtier and the other was a copy of The Dutch Revolt which created a lifelong interest in the history of the Nederlands. Thank you so much, so well done.

[@napolien1310]

Beautifully done. I love the politics and the peace talk was amazing, it is not always about two sides it has 3 4 or even 5, and the rivalry between count Maurits and oldenbarnevelt.

[@jamescrowi6472]

Hi defragged historians. Please don't forget the thumb up button. We all love this channel so let's show our support.

[@johndavid7065]

You're the best. I laugh so much listening to you. You're extremely talented and your enthusiasm is so contagious! You think you're pretty funny surprising us all a day early huh?

[@DefraggedHistory]

Thanks! Be sure to keep your eye on the Community tab on this channel (or Twitter or Facebook). I announce the release date for a new video about a week in advance.

[@OttoVonRibagnac]

Great episode, as always!!! I held Maurits in high regard, but here, I agree with Oldenbarnevelt. Their power struggle is like game of thrones, ruthless attacks are launched, but in a discreet way. And i love the tricks of the Spanish, Felipe II was a genius in that 😂

[@bradleystewart1785]

Love this! Newly discovered and have now watched all the available videos, absolute quality!

[@DefraggedHistory]

Welcome aboard! Great to have you around!

[@mikechaud1300]

This is my second most favourite history channel on KZbin … and yes we would like to more videos 😌

[@brianaccetta2105]

Binged the first 13 episodes I believe so I've been having to wait for them since. ALWAYS worth the wait, thank you!

[@DefraggedHistory]

Thanks for watching!

[@zephyrus339]

It's funny how France and England now really want to annex the Low Countries, while some decades ago they were presented it on a silver platter and refused.

[@DefraggedHistory]

To be fair, different kings, and also... a republic next door! Shudder!

[@zephyrus339]

@@DefraggedHistory Oh, come on. What do they have to fear? It's not like the king of England has to fear being beheaded and his kingdom become some sort of Commonwealth under a successful general. And the kingdom of France ever facing a revolution and being replaced by a République Française is also a bunch of baloney.

[@DefraggedHistory]

Yeah. If you ask me, they were worried about nothing. 😁

[@altinaykor364]

yeah, really funny and funnier part is that accepting it back then, might have saved them from future tragedies

[@gregorylittle1461]

Fantastic presentation, as always! James I's secret (or perhaps NOT so secret) "love affair" with Catholic church comes into focus much better, when his duplicity towards the Dutch States is taken into consideration. It also helps clarify the karmic events that would bring civil war and distruction to his own country and throne and offer his son's head on pike. Very enlightening!!

[@DefraggedHistory]

It will only become clearer!

[@gregorylittle1461]

Great!! I look forward to it!!

[@JohnSmith-dq7sr]

I'm sure this 12 year truce will totally result in a friendly and peaceful relationship, between Spain and Netherlands

[@justinwade3853]

Happy to have this

[@rocketshipevan]

Fascinating truce. So much drama! Can't wait for the next one.

[@unidentifiedleiviathan7250]

This is an amazing series. Please keep it up

[@chemicalcowpoke307]

And to think of all the Incan and Aztec wealth squandered on these wars. Thank you for the content.

[@foetsie85]

Right on time for dinner time tha k you🥳🥳🥳

[@DefraggedHistory]

Hope your dinner was good. ;-)

[@matthewexline6589]

Another job well-done! Despite the lack of a great military battle, this is perhaps one of the best videos in the series as far as I'm concerned! Excellent work!

[@DefraggedHistory]

Thanks! We're definitely entering into a new phase now. But there was a bit of a sea battle in the beginning, though.

[@matthewexline6589]

@@DefraggedHistory There certainly was, although to be honest, I think that I will mostly remember this episode for Prince Maurits insulting the English king for continuing to suck up to the Spanish after they had tried to blow him and his entire family to smithereens. I was roaring with laughter. Marurits' absolute lack of tact tickled me straight to the bone.

[@DefraggedHistory]

@@matthewexline6589 That was my favorite bit of the entire series. It can only go downhill from here. 😁

[@matthewexline6589]

It was my favorite bit of the series as well! But I'm certain that the rest will continue to be unequivocally amazing. 👩‍🎤🗣🎼🎶🎵🎶

[@ariedijker2911]

I am so happy with a new episode and more than 1 hour long. I'll look at it over the weekend. There will be much to learn again.🌷

[@DefraggedHistory]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@ariedijker2911]

@@DefraggedHistory Dat zal ik zeker. Helaas ben ik nu met de was en huishouden bezig🤣👍 en moet nog even geduld hebben. Maar als ik het rustig heb ga ik kijken en genieten. Fijne dag toegewenst.

[@ariedijker2911]

@@DefraggedHistory Hello Olivia? Nice Spanish sounding name😂. You surprised me again with this episode, fast, a lot of complete info, understandable and the little sarcastic comments. Very Dutch and therefore much appreciated. As you tell it, it's like an audio book by a young enthusiastic person (jonge m), full of energy, up to any challenge, in the middle of the action en voor de duivel niet bang 💪. The sound and rhythm bring back old memories like I once read the book: The cabin boys of Bontekoe. When you're done with this series, may I give you a new topic about an historical event in NL that we Dutch don't actually know a lot about, but has a lot of international interest. I think it will do your channel good. Greetings a boy from de Witt, Geographic. Arie.👋🌷

[@deinemutter8999]

Best history channel!

[@sagashistoriquesafricaines140]

Damn I have been waiting for this

[@staalwijk]

A like before I watch. I know this will be good. 🙂

[@quintenbruggink1595]

Hupppa fuck yeah nieuwe Tachtig jarige oorlog videootje ik klik :)

[@DefraggedHistory]

Ik hoop jij happy nu. ;-)

[@ernoknollema3131]

I somehow thought this was coming tomorrow, rather nice to stumble upon it unlooked for. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be busy for the next 76 minutes!

[@DefraggedHistory]

Normally I post on Thursdays, but I was experimenting with watchtimes to see if something was different when posted on a Friday. It wasn't. Back to Thursday I go!

[@johndavid7065]

She tricked me also... Changed up my plans for tonight and tomorrow. Gotta say, women always keep you guessing🙂

[@DefraggedHistory]

@@johndavid7065 As I said elsewhere, just keep checking that YT community tab (or Twitter or Facebook) for new video announcements.

[@danielscallon7515]

OK, 20:24-29: "(inhale) Pedro Henriquez de Azevedo y Alvarez de Toledo, Code de Fuentes de Valdepero, aka Count Fuentes (yes, the name is that long)" was the cherry on the sunday of all those names in their original languages (bloopers included). I am loving this series!

[@jonasvb3877]

Jezus chris, what a great show, I was kinda hoping the series was complete when I started it. Found the channel because I found out a bunch of my ancestors(lower nobility) fought for the Spanish and was looking for more info. Probably got some mediteranian blood mixed in which would explain my tan without having any known (past few hundred years) ancestors outside of the low countries.

[@adamweilergurarye5422]

A masterpiece!

[@MixerRenegade95]

Welcome Home Filips Willem! and Thanks Defragged!, can't help it but I cried at the Reunion of the Nassaus. Funny though ever since Part 2 I felt as if Willem of Oranje didn't die but got split in two as Maurits embodying the martial half and Johan de Oldenbarnevelt taking the diplomatic half, what do you think?

[@DefraggedHistory]

I wish I knew what happened when the two brothers met. And yes, it's amazing to see that it took two people to do the job of one man. But that also created problems. And then everything more or less comes together again in one man later [spoilers] with Frederik Hendrik.

[@MixerRenegade95]

@@DefraggedHistory Doggone it, not the spoilers but seriously thank you again, I hope to learn Dutch someday right now all I know is Old English, some Spanish and a little Old High German; so I can bus out fluently in different tongues like you do.

[@robhendrikx2198]

"Get a room, you two!" Haha, brilliant.😂 "What word tripped you up? Chickenshit or weakling?" 😁😁

[@larsdejong7396]

Honestly, that went better than I expected between Maurits and Oldenbarneveldt. And I just love the fact that both James and Henry think they have any say in the politics of the republic, considering how they constantly tried to make concessions to Spain- James in particular. Not to mention the holy joke of an empire. 😂

[@dutchman7623]

I heard the Imperial March of Star Wars... but there were wise men in real history.

[@berendharmsen]

A new episode of Game of Thrones!

[@rocketshipevan]

I would love to know where all these maps and illustrations come from. Wonderful work as always!

[@DefraggedHistory]

They come from the Rijksmuseum Amsterdam. Check the description.

[@ariedijker2911]

@@DefraggedHistory Heb ik gedaan. 😁👍

[@adamweilergurarye5422]

Bravo!

[@jamaicaigot9335]

Hey, loved your contents, are you also in audea?

[@DefraggedHistory]

Thanks! And no I'm not on audea.

[@Back4Fungame]

excellent

[@hashimbokhamseen7877]

54:24 I lost my shit laughing at this.

[@nicholasjones7774]

Wooooo!

[@TheBiskitsnGravy]

Whooooh! :D

[@rosemerrynmcmillan1611]

Viva La Reformation!!!

[@jamesmurphy9426]

This very interesting

[@paddyneill1964]

Holy shit girl !!! 🤔🧐🥸😅😂🤣

[@seneca983]

Should the chapter called "Rex Nullis" be "Res Nullius" instead?

[@fullmontyuk]

17:58 - 'Harnass'?!! I know the poor man had his leg severed in a most unfortunate place but this seems a rather unfortunate misspelling. 😎

[@scottpuryear2810]

I love it

[@matthewexline6589]

At @1:10:31, we hear that King Henri "softened the Statholder's defeat" by basically wheeling and dealing vast sums of money into Prince Maurits' pockets. My first question was how on Earth the French king managed to secure rental payments from Spain for Prince Maurits' properties, and also, who exactly did he leverage influence over in order to "negotiate an excellent annual salary" for Prince Maurits? I understand that Kings have authority, but it seems like King Henri really bent over backwards to make Maurits satisfied with this truce. What is King Henri's angle here? It seems like King Henri must want this truce to exist because it would benefit France in some way, or something, but I'm just not seeing his motive. Or am I just "poo-pooing away" King Henri's genuine religious zeal for peace and the good of mankind?

[@matthewexline6589]

P.S. ~ You've got Chapter 26 "Mending Fences" as "Meaning Fences" in the video's About/Show-More section 🙂 As a result, it also shows up that way in the text next to the volume and pause/play controls.

[@DefraggedHistory]

0:47:51 In this chapter, I talk about how King Henri wanted to take over the Netherlands, either by force or marriage. A truce was better for him to carry out his plans, because he believed it would result in the collapse of the Netherlands. His plan was much more developed (and it was leaked to Oldenbarnevelt). I cut it out for brevity's sake, also because it came to nothing and had no effect on anything. In this plan, he wanted to make Count Maurits Viceroy of the Netherlands. The help with the payment plan appears to have been an assurance that Maurits wouldn't suddenly be tempted to stage a coup and undo the truce, but also, perhaps, to get him ready as viceroy. I also believe he did it to show his power to everyone: look what I can do! This would never have worked though. Maurits, like his dad, couldn't be bribed, as I pointed out 0:50:23. This becomes an issue later on.

[@matthewexline6589]

@@DefraggedHistory 🤦🏼‍♂ I'm not quite sure how I could have glossed over that (like a dozen times). I think the talk about infants getting old enough to get married and take over a country might contain a subliminal-messaging catalyst that turns my brain off temporarily. In any case, thank you for the reply & the detailed explanation. 🙂

[@QwertiusMaximus]

I suspect these videos would be 25% shorter if the announcer didn't have to read the entire name of a Spanish general or such. 50%?

[@DefraggedHistory]

You must be new here. Welcome! 😁 It would be shorter by 20 seconds, but the names are for podcast purposes. Also, I'm no mere announcer: I am the deciderer of all I survey. Oh wait, that's not a word. 😉

[@danielscallon7515]

32:22 a classic from the fat guy in the back who suddenly, dramatically, magnificently stands up to make his move and steal the show, only to have everyone in the room go silent and look at him, all with the same question on their faces: 'What are you doing?' He sits back down.

[@RianHagebeuk]

But he was dead. 💀☠️💀☠️💀 So am I now.

[@xendk]

music is way to loud

[@ariedijker2911]

Not for the Dutch. But do you find it interesting? What is said here has made the Dutch of today.🌷

[@xendk]

@@ariedijker2911 What ?? do the dutch hear music differently on youtube ????

[@ariedijker2911]

@@xendk Yes, every country has its preferences in music. what is considered beautiful in your country can also be experienced differently here. And vice versa. That's what makes the world so beautiful. The lady who tell the story is Dutch, so we understand her very well. But even if you're not Dutch, you should be able to understand her perfectly because her English is perfect. greetings.🌷

[@BrianJ.]

20:22 hahaha :D

[@kaj8234]

:3

[@ChevyChase301]

46:02 Trump beating Clinton