Ejections 029-30 - Javier Baez Ejected After Nick Mahrley's Strike Three Call, AJ Hinch Follows

[@vw8886]

I call out umps for the insanely quick hooks but Nick had patience here good job. This is how it should work.

[@tonys4250]

I like the " barely grazed the outer edge of home plate" Even If it barely grazed it's still a strike.

[@matthewsales8983]

Hey, props to the umpire there. Great call, handled well. DE-ESCALATION - that's what umpires really need to work on. I love this.

[@oldglory1999]

Really...

[@SKATERHATER25]

Great call? Tell us you know nothing about the strike zone without actually telling us …

[@almostfm]

@@SKATERHATER25 You've done a good job of that yourself, considering that the electronic strike zone marked it as a strike. If you want to bitch about human umpires missing a pitch, then don't gripe when the electronic zone calls it _exactly the same way_

[@SKATERHATER25]

@@almostfm so when a catcher sets up and the pitcher misses his spot a majority of time the umpire is not going to give him that strike call because he didn’t set up before the pitch in that area. Wouldn’t expect KZbin warriors like yourself to understand actual baseball.

[@Soon2BRev]

@@SKATERHATER25 wow. Last time I checked, the strike zone had nothing to do with where the catcher sets up or where the catcher calls for the pitch. Since people gripe about a subjective strike zone - knees to armpits and black-to-black. Hitting a target is not the same as having a ball pass through the strike zone.

[@dahillbillynews5923]

There is a right way and a wrong way to address the umpires and when coaches learn the right way they have a very powerful tool.

[@michaelfalkner1186]

As much as I know a lot of people will demand apologies and all that, the fact is I'm actually glad enough mics picked that up. Enough F-bombs to start an army, and the ump tossed him for them. All good in my book.

[@vw8886]

Apologies? What for?

[@michaelfalkner1186]

@@vw8886 "We're sorry for the language which went out over the air..."

[@FlyingEagleTV]

1:07 “He don’t fucking give a fuck. No he don’t give a fuck. He does care. FUCK!” 😂

[@jacobrichardson1952]

🤣

[@1190CB]

As a cubs fan, and as great as some see Baez, I couldn't stand watching him play... stuff like this drove me crazy.

[@hifijohn]

Glad he got ejected thats what he gets for leaving the cubs.

[@why-oh4nv]

@@hifijohn oh no he got ejected in the bottom of the 9th lmfao 🤣😂

[@-jc-3380]

I love when players show emotion and when they are very competitive. he loves the game and it means everything to him. it was was a questionable call could go 50/50

[@1190CB]

@@-jc-3380 emotion is fine... but watching him swing at balls 2 feet out of the strike zone and then get tossed for arguing a borderline strike 3 is ridiculous. If I was an opposing pitcher, he would never see anything close to a strike, and he'd still find a way to have a negative bb/k ratio.

[@1190CB]

@@hifijohn I'm glad he is gone lol

[@4dylanregan]

Honestly the best arguement for ABS is so that players will have no one to cry to when they watch strike 3 go right past them

[@jpvanden1]

Nah, they'll still whine and complain. They do on instant replays anyway as it is.

[@Eaglefan4ever]

I love the tough guy approach when you have a body in front of you.

[@nicka8579]

Baez swung and fouled one off that was further away than that pitch. He has no argument. Just cause your swinging puts you in a hole, stay aggressive. Don't blame the ump

[@ikebeckman1074]

1:05 “get your hands off me man!” 😂😂

[@jonborton1295]

So you think umps shouldn’t be fined for touching players?

[@FlyingEagleTV]

@@jonborton1295 He’s quoting Baez bud

[@KPapadakis09]

Ejections 31-33 Alfonso Marquez Ejects Yimi Garcia and Pete Walker. And Lance Barrett Ejects Charlie Montoyo over two pitches that were similar from ejections and arguing rule 6.09 (c) (9).

[@priceright8963]

The video for those ought to be good.

[@stevedrums1675]

The ump took longer to toss than him I would have.

[@juanperez-oz8cq]

Everyone talks about what a problematic guy Yasiel Puig was but nobody talks about this guy, there is always something going on with Javier Baez

[@davruck1]

Puig is actually a cool guy. Just misunderstood and can go crazy. I saw him as being good natured unless you do something to him. I don’t think he understood baseball is a business.

[@ronpeacock9939]

if anyone wants to know why I defend umps.. (well, Angel, I can't help you much).. think about this... all umpires make less than the MLB players minimum salary. Umpires are in a team of 4, who are part of every game.. yet unlike the teams.. they are undefeated.. sadly, un-victorious as well. They have to stay on their feet the entire game while players from both sides can go into the dugout and take a breather for a half inning. They stay on the field, in whatever elements todays weather is throwing at them.. be it freezing temperatures... rain, wind... and in Phoenix before the dome... 120 degree heat. If they have a perfect day.. nobody knows.. they don't talk about it on sportscenter.... if they miss a call, they may very well end up on every newscast coast to coast (Jim Joyce and the Galaraga perfect game. (for all the wrong reasons).) They put on protective gear to work behind the plate trying to call about 200 pitches per game (they probably see closer to 400, but about half are probably calling themselves.. I.E. Hitters put the ball in play, foul it off or just plain swing and miss.. not to mention balls in the dirt), all coming in at the MLB level in excess of 80 MPH... all the while risking a foul ball off their bodies (believe me.. even at 60MPH.. it hurts, leaves bruises.. may not give you a concussion (though it's been known to), still leaves you hurting for a few weeks.. say nothing of the 95+ these guys see), for what? They never get praise, but many are quick to condemn... yet they go back to it why? Because someone has to do it. The game cannot go on without them. I personally don't accept that a player EVER has the right to abuse an ump because they disagree and get paid more to obscenely more... Players would quit if they faced the love/hate umpires get.. at the same pay rates... and all the time the ignorant fan feels it's ok because "I didn't pay to see them anyway. they shouldn't make themselves part of the game" when in fact, the RULES make them part of the game and all you do it abuse them. You aught to try to have the game without them sometimes. BTW: Many states right now are having trouble getting umpires for HighSchool and youth level games.. because of all the abuse, young people are refusing to officiate.. and the older guys who've been doing this for years are retiring because they're getting old.. and getting tired of the abuse. It may not be long before you see a sport no longer contested because they can't get anyone willing to officiate them. You should try it sometime.

[@jonborton1295]

Wanna publish this as a full length novel?

[@danieltuttle6060]

Or have an automated strike zone so pieces of shit like nick mahrley can't rig games anymore. Wait, that would be too fair for MLB.

[@zach7193]

It's a good pitch. Nicks the outer edge of the plate. It's 50/50 either way.

[@SKATERHATER25]

Lol y’all know nothing about baseball. Pitch set up low brought his glove back up and got a lucky strike three call. Not a “good pitch” in Major League Baseball terms.

[@almostfm]

@@SKATERHATER25 IOW, you think strikes are based on how the catcher catches it and not whether it was actually in the strike zone. Strike three on the black is really the definition of a good pitch.

[@SKATERHATER25]

@@almostfm get off my dick I said what I said. Casual

[@alanhess9306]

@@SKATERHATER25 You are clueless. This pitch was verified as a strike. You know nothing about baseball.

[@rayray4192]

How about acknowledging a M.L.B. pitcher with talent who has worked hard three an excellent pitch? Instead of whining, tip your hat to the pitcher and realize he’s competing too.

[@jonborton1295]

Do you have nothing better to do than to hate on our best hitter?

[@rayray4192]

@@jonborton1295 hate is a strong word. You don’t get to tell me what I think. Hitters are arrogant and instead of acknowledging a pitcher threw a great pitch and beat them they blame others for their failure. Don’t you have a better use of your time than playing the fool? Real competitors and real men are proud to compete against good athletes and know they will win sometimes and they will lose sometimes.

[@rayray4192]

@@jonborton1295 your best hitter should swing the bat. You don’t help your team watching strike three angels then protesting. The hall of fame is filled with hitters who hit that same pitch into the right centerfield gap.

[@jonborton1295]

@@rayray4192 never said he was a hall of famer; just said he WAS our best hitter. At that time of the season he WAS. I agree the actual pitch wasn't poor, and he should have fouled it off. But people jump on that guy just because he has some attitude and it's annoying asf to listen to. Also, why are you calling me a fool? That seems an oddly personal attack in respect to what I said. Perhaps I got under your skin?

[@rayray4192]

@@jonborton1295 my Apologies sir. No call for my attitude. Please forgive me.

[@andrewdecker616]

I'm all for getting on the umps asses like Angel Hernandez when he calls balls 5 inches out of the zone strikes but the rule says if any piece of the ball Touches or passes through the strike zone the pitch shall be called a strike and it looks like a strike to me

[@Ghostrider6A]

Computer had it a strike too.

[@bradt7451]

You don’t have to drag Angel into a conversation especially when you don’t know WTF you’re talking about.

[@andrewdecker616]

@@bradt7451 ? Angel is absolute dogshit

[@Briansgate]

Baez throws a tantrum. Baez watches replay Baez apologizes to nobody. Keep it classy. I'm glad he's no longer in Chicago.

[@krudeddie]

His ego gets him into a lot of thing that are most times his fault. He will complain about a bad slide and then turn around and do the same thing he just got mad at.

[@jeffreyramsdell4781]

Beaz will swing at every ball during the whole at bat but don’t swing at the strike zone! Huh 🤔 interesting!! I suspect a player who 1 sucks and 2 he don’t know the strike zone

[@cryptojunkie2478]

That is a strike. Way to close to take with 2 on you. That is all Baez

[@douglassepic9030]

Agreed... especially when he took a swipe at one 3 inches off the plate.

[@ktpinnacle]

Too close to take with two strikes, especially when Baez was protecting previously. This is just frustration for a tough start to the season. They just aren't hitting.

[@matthewsales8983]

100% - added frustration because he almost hooked one of those protection swings down the line for a double.

[@StrivingTowardsWhatIsAhead]

Swing the bat

[@finessecurve2651]

That game had a 1.78 run skew to the As based on strikezone. This isn't just about this certain pitch. Is something that had been brewing all game

[@ktpinnacle]

@@finessecurve2651 Is that a stat you calculated for all pitched thrown?

[@finessecurve2651]

@@ktpinnacle look at umpire scorecards. They do a great job with pitch tracking and ratings

[@devinbrown1775]

I think Javier Baez deserved to get toss. Because that's a strike and the computer say it is a strike. But He was cussing at the umpire and when the umpires heard it, because he warn him 2 times and when crybaby Javier Baez using profanity language which is the last straw

[@brianmullaney6237]

CCS won't mention the phantom strike that cost Baez a walk earlier in the game.. Or the phantom strikes after the ejections.. Or umpirescorecards having the bias at over +1.5 for the A's..

[@chanman4rings]

Those are some pretty nasty changeups for the record

[@krudeddie]

Ya it was close but it was a strike. Something that close a batter should just take it. I feel some of that batters these days complain about to many calls. I can see it if its way off but ones like this no. Baez earn his ejection.

[@usernamempk]

Frustrating to watch Baez over swing and fly open way too early. He could be an all star.

[@mcmann7149]

Are arguing balls and strikes calls the most common ejections?

[@priceright8963]

Usually is. As of last night, we have 15 ball/strike ejections.

[@danieltuttle6060]

It wouldn't be an argument if MLB didn't insist on fixing games through an extremely subjective strike zone. The only reason nick mahrleys name is even known is because he is a shitty umpire.

[@semperfidelis8386]

I don't know why MLB doesn't give these home plate umps a HUD view of what the hell everyone else is seeing from the outfield camera. The durn thing is showing "expected call"........

[@priceright8963]

MLB is showing these games in real time. These videos are analyzing pitches hours after the game is over.

[@semperfidelis8386]

@@priceright8963 ok.....but....the live feed from the outfield camera on home plate could sure be used

[@alanhess9306]

@@semperfidelis8386 No it can't be used. It is not close to being as accurate as the Post game analysis.

[@priceright8963]

When the manager gives you the opportunity to stay in the game, don't blow it.

[@VisibilityFoggy]

Baez is such a baby. I'm glad he's not on the Mets again this season... he brought negative energy to that clubhouse.

[@tigersfan14]

Watched the whole game. That ump had an awful night.

[@deckerrm]

Tigers have the WORST record in the American League and the 2nd WORST record in MLB. 4 lousy hits in this game and no end in sight. Who is "awful" again ? Ohhhh....blame the umps.....got it. Get a clue.

[@tigersfan14]

@@deckerrm Lol so?

[@bradt7451]

Based on what, your uneducated opinion and the fanboy box?

[@tigersfan14]

@@bradt7451 His scorecard for that night wasn't great. 87% accuracy with called strikes. Favored Oakland +1.58. Bad night.

[@deckerrm]

@@tigersfan14 Tigers haven't scored a run in 24 innings.......ya....big umpiring failure eh ?

[@mikecolie9290]

So the batter swung at a pitch 3-4 inches outside and looked foolish. No problem..... Probably felt stupid for swinging at it. Then has a hissy fit when the umpire calls him out on a strike. What a class(less) act he is. This is the stuff that trickles down to lower levels and shows players and coaches how to react when they don't like a call. No wonder there's a tremendous shortage of officials in many sports.

[@priceright8963]

I take comments about the umpire shortage with a grain of salt. One one hand, it's disheartening to see people bullied out of the profession. On the other hand, some people here who have experience are too abrasive to care.

[@devinbrown1775]

And Nick Mahrley consistent all game. And when you don't liked it, you deserve to get tossed.

[@nicholascardcorner8266]

Tigers giving Baez all that money was stupid

[@Ghostrider6A]

“I want robot umpires, these humans are (insert comment here).” Hon, the computer would have had that as a strike anyway.

[@mbdg6810]

In this case yes.

[@alanhess9306]

@@mbdg6810 In many cases.

[@황성준-q3q]

His protest wasn't meant to be sent off

[@draneym2003]

I'm curious if Detroit has figured out that Baez isn't a superstar and they're getting played yet.

[@jacobrichardson1952]

Just like his Cub days when Báez gets ejected 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kennylevine1150]

Javy only got ejected once in his career on the Cubs

[@jacobrichardson1952]

@@kennylevine1150 this ejection looks quite similar in his Cub days.

[@MaydayAggro]

This at bat shows why we should not use computers to call strikes, not because the strike was wrong, but because the top and bottom of his zone are COMPLETELY wrong. Both the bottom (by a good 3 inches) and top (by probably two inches) are too high. (The zone is determined at the time the batter is preparing to swing. "The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter’s stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball.")

[@teebob21]

Your strike zone definition is not the one supported by OBR rules or the MLB interpretations. The operative work is "prepared to swing", not "preparing to swing". There is an important distinction. However, feel free to attend the Wendelstadt camp in January and let them know that they are wrong.

[@MaydayAggro]

@@teebob21 My reason for bringing that up is that a person's strike zone based on his stance while he's waiting for a pitch and the one based on while he is prepared to swing is completely different. "Prepared to swing" is NOT when the batter is standing at the plate waiting for the pitch to be delivered. If so, there would be absolutely ZERO reason for the phrase to be added to the definition. By the way, "prepared to swing" is actually LATER than "preparing to swing." If you are preparing to swing, you by definition are not yet prepared to swing, so thanks for that. You made a distinction with very little difference, and my idea of "preparing" was the same as "prepared." I just used the wrong term by three letters by accident. I quoted the rule, obviously considering my wording to be equivalent to that of the rule, so rather than Wendelstedt, I'll go to English class (and it IS Wendelst-E-dt, not Wendelst-A-dt. Guess we both need to improve.)

[@kendalhale2589]

Yet again, it turns out players and coaches get pissy even if its the correct call just because it goes against them.... Great way to handle the situation by Mahrley. Important for us umpire to remember, eject and walk away. Let your partners handle the de-escalation

[@jasonwatts5802]

Call isn't the issue. Issue is if you're gonna call them one way, make sure you call them the other way. He wasn't giving tigers any of them. So yes he should have argued, should have walked away when Hinch came out though

[@johnconrad5506]

That's why Baez isn't with the Cubs anymore what an overrated player who strike out too much

[@deckerrm]

..."frustration is whats coming out here"....ya Hinch.......your team sucks. Blame yourself and your players, not the umps. What a joke.

[@edwardstawarz6705]

The tigers stink..they couldn't hit there way out of paper bag...

[@quintkuhl2827]

@CloseCallSports would you have kept talking to him as he did, I think I would've just shrugged my shoulders or something along those lines. I am however umping for younger kids

[@thecrtggamingchannel1727]

Well if it’s close baseball players know That if a ball is close to being a strike then the umpires will more likely be ringing you up so there’s not a lot javi could do there

[@kevtlee08]

MLB has an ump problem and they need to address it. Angel Hernandez is bad but at least he’s consistent bad for both sides.

[@bradt7451]

Did you know it’s possible for players to get fooled on a pitch? They used to walk away and not say a word.

[@priceright8963]

Did they all? Because they've been arguing the strike zone even when Babe Ruth was playing.

[@TyphoonTTD]

Awful jumps man, I get why Javy is mad. Especially when they are behind late in the game.

[@frostbyteskylight]

This drives me insane with MLB players and managers. That pitch was a strike. What is Baez complaining about? Players and managers have a terrible game and then choose to take it out on the umpire because they can't just accept the fact that they played like garbage.

[@mbdg6810]

Well look at when its actually a bad call, then its hard to accept brutally correct ones. Not saying its okay to argue in that case though.

[@johannesney2132]

@@mbdg6810 Exactly. Except for the most blatant cases, neither the umpire nor the players or managers have the benefit of hindsight that we have. If the pitch is just a little bit further out, suddenly baez is in the "right". Don't argue balls and strikes and use the challenge system that's in the minors now for those bad calls that are way off. Since I don't follow professional baseball that closely, does anyone know how the balls/strikes challenge system is working out?

[@aaronglandon3829]

I like it the ump was bad all night inconsistent and is that angel hernandez?

[@gomer921]

Tigers had a different strike zone than the A's all game. That's what led to this. Ump went on to call strikes way out of the zone for the next batters just to be petty too.

[@garylee3229]

Umpires are getting worse and worse every game and the League doesn’t care to fix it.

[@umpireva5440]

Strike, go sit down please!!!!

[@44carney44]

That pitch is close but you kinda forgot to analyse the other pitchers that were off the plate and down earlier in the inning. I like the breakdowns but stop cutting the vids to make umps look better.

[@bryanlambird9287]

Umps did well here but this channel rides them like no other. Only subbed to watch the ejections, dont care for the bias for the umps

[@bobdaniel350]

Wait until machines or tech replace umpires and the equipment goes offline MLB will only outdraw cornhole -no drama ,no beer no $$$

[@kjm0227]

Without knowing any context and not having seen the rest of the game, I say it was a ball but close enough to the strike zone that you don’t completely blame the ump for calling a strike. I didn’t see the whole game so I’m not sure if the ump was consistently calling the outside corner or not…but that would be frustrating if he had called similar pitches a ball earlier. Javy seems pretty frustrated on this team. As a Cubs fan I miss him but that’s what he gets for going after a big contract in free agency instead of staying in Chicago where he belongs and the fans love him

[@timdunn7551]

So the umps can put their hands on the players to "deescalate"?

[@alanhess9306]

Yes, It's much different than players shoving or bumping umpires in anger.

[@thatgirl9759]

He had been making bad calls all night. I think Baez was just fed up. You should have showed Miggy who was right after Baez. The first call was awful.

[@bradt7451]

🤣🤣🤣🤣GTFOUTTA here!!!

[@kinkaid7477]

Definitely a strike and Nick showed great patience with jb. I was watching this game when it happened and I was wondering when he was going to toss jb, but plenty of leeway and great job by the announcers in catching that he walked away and let his crew help diffuse the situation,

[@FishiganOutdoors]

a strike that was not in the zone? makes total sense

[@almostfm]

@@FishiganOutdoors Except that it was in the zone. You guys are always bitching about how we need "robot umpires" calling the pitch. Well, guess what-robo ump had it as a strike.

[@kinkaid7477]

@@FishiganOutdoors it was a borderline strike, but even if it was a ball, he gave javy all the leeway possible,

[@alanhess9306]

@@FishiganOutdoors Clueless.

[@1NobleGiant]

In before a Jomboy bot says we need robo umps. The ump made good calls in the bottom of the 9th

[@TeemoQuinton]

Found the bot leaving the comment; above me shooting shots for no reason

[@Oceangirl_505]

👍👍👍

[@brandonearly2963]

Baseball players are becoming drama queens. I would love to see former players start umping and see how perfect they are

[@SKATERHATER25]

If umpires could actually play baseball they’d be players. Horrible take

[@gregsmith8288]

Stop Talking

[@isaacgeier6158]

It’s not a strike but it was a great pitch and great frame, maybe ump had been calling em close outside all night.

[@lastdance2099]

and also it was a strike.

[@bradt7451]

It was a strike.

[@isaacgeier6158]

@@lastdance2099 you can clearly see the ball doesn’t touch any piece of the strike zone box on replay. It was a great location expecting another chasing swing like he did the first two sliders, however it didn’t cross the plate.

[@isaacgeier6158]

@@bradt7451 it wasn’t though. Explained already. It was shown clear as day in the replay that it didn’t touch plate

[@lastdance2099]

@@isaacgeier6158 The only thing clear is that you don't understand how statcast works. Statcast says the pitch was a strike. Statcast draws the rectangle. By definition, some part of the ball must be inside the rectangle. It's not a matter of eyeballing it or squinting to see it.

[@BobSchmidt]

not for the love of the game

[@carlosfigueroa9287]

Bad call

[@alanhess9306]

Pitch was in the zone and was called a strike. And you think that was a bad call? Are you brain damaged?

[@dougeballgame44]

I don’t understand how every single time an umpire gets grazed ever so slightly by a player or a manager they immediately have to point it out usually both verbally and physically with their version of a soccer flop, but it is okay for umpires to grab players with two hands. Not trying to come across as sarcastic, the umpires are de escalating the situation argument doesn’t cut it for me.

[@alanhess9306]

I'm sure there are many things about baseball that you do not understand.

[@myiataylor8364]

The amount of people on here complaining about baez is ridiculous that’s a ball everyday of the week, the tigers are on a losing skid and yes that’s on them as a team but a bad call like that at the bottom of the 9th with a runner on that stole 2nd and no outs just can’t happen, it’s can’t I don’t care if he swung at every pitch it’s was a ball, then the next call to miggy where the ball is at his feet and gets called a strike is even more ridiculous, good for JAVY and good for AJ the strike zone was bad all game

[@alanhess9306]

The post game analysis verified it was a strike. you are wrong.

[@joshuanazworth8011]

Nick Mahrley's got fired CC fire the home plate umpire right after the game CC sabathia fire his umpire for poor job no personal no offense v w

[@ronpeacock9939]

when are players going to learn.. whether the umpire calls a perfect game or does an Angel H. ... when YOU argue balls/strikes.. YOU ARE IN THE WRONG... and in violation of the rules (9.02)... You may think you were wronged.. .but arguing guarantees you ARE IN THE WRONG.. shut up... MLB needs to suspend a few of these arguers to end this.. and take that little box from the broadcast.. it's actually showing the ump up (which will get you tossed from the game)... MLB is not helping here.

[@MisterHoodrich89]

an idiotic opinion. players are going to get upset with missed calls. if they cross the line or say something that they know they aren't supposed to say (like Baez did here), then by all means they should be ejected. but suggesting that arguing a ball/strike call is grounds for a suspension is absolutely asinine.

[@elohellol8481]

You are an insane person and clearly don't like baseball. Umps deserve to get shown up most of the time.

[@linollieum3742]

@@MisterHoodrich89 It's not an idiotic opinion (great job of only being able to insult someone else's opinion in order to counter it, by the way), in all other sports leagues players are much more able to handle officials making incorrect calls or penalizing them without throwing a tantrum. NFL, NHL all are far more respectful and can move on to the next play most of the time. Why are MLB athletes and managers alone entitled to throw hissy fits when things don't go their way? If the MLB wanted to stop umpire abuse they could, but instead they glamourize the drama, which drags this garbage down into youth baseball, that belief that if you disagree with a very close call, you get to scream at someone or attack them to make yourself feel better. That's a childish inability to control your own emotions. Should the players get screamed at for their mistakes? The problem is that players get angry constantly over everything. They get angry over the correct call, like this one. They get angry over close calls. They get angry when they don't know the rules. Sometimes they're just angry and want to scream at someone. Baez swung at some pitches off the plate during that at bat. Instead of seeing his own mistakes, he wants to blame others to make himself feel better. It's a culture problem in MLB compared to other major sports, the only bad opinion is to think it's okay the way it is.

[@MisterHoodrich89]

@@linollieum3742 you have an anime profile picture, so your opinion is useless and I'm not even reading your comment.

[@TeemoQuinton]

@@linollieum3742 he did counter it without that... so good job being a pot that calls the kettle the back. As for what Hoodrich said, agreed. If somebody fucks up a call they need to own it. Period.