EKWB EK-Nucleus AIO Direct Die with Intel i9-14900KS

[@johnerikson2443]

Fascinating to watch. I was getting nervous during the delidding bit. Loved the end and the angle choir 😅

[@KitGuruTech]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@JayisKuhl]

Nice video! I've been very happy with the performance of my direct die nucleus.

[@theonlyredspecial]

Can you share some details ?

[@a120068020]

To help mitigate potential stability/degreadation widely reported on flagship Raptor lake SKUs, I have changed a lot of my BIOS settings based on what I have watched and read. For my 13900k and 14900k I have done the following: MCE off, PL1 and PL2 limit to 225, limit P-core boost to 5.5 GHz and E-core boost to 4.3GHz, and use balanced power profile in Windows (although I do disable core parking to keep system highly responsive). Oh and just XMP on the RAM. I didn’t change LLC value. I have set voltage offset at a modest -0.015v and set the Core limit to 300 Amps. I have disabled the C6&C7 C states and EIST. Lastly I have locked AVX at 0 offset. I have tested on P95, CB R23 and CB R15. All great and in a mid 20 degree room, no workload exceeds 80c on package or cores. Very happy and benchmarks are very close to where they were before taming these beasts.

[@MrSerikata]

But in this case, the maximum processor frequency of 6 GHz is not used.

[@a120068020]

@@MrSerikata yes in the end I reverted to Intel specs (not motherboard defaults)

[@yonson_racing]

Too bad EK doesn't ship to direct customers first before distributors... I ordered one of these in February and was given an Estimated delivery date of March 21st. On the 20th I received an e-mail from them stating they were out of stock (even after receiving e-mails from them saying they were in stock and shipping) and they aren't expected to be back in stock until April 26th with an estimated May 3rd delivery date. But hey, what do they care, they already have my money.

[@user-uv8qn1br8q]

Wow that’s shocking bad man. 😮

[@larwiemcdonnel5322]

That’s Ekwb all over sadly. Heard similar things from other people.

[@justindavis7600]

They that bad really? Was about to buy something. But im hearing these stories a lot lately.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Exactly the same thing happened to me, truly terrible customer service.

[@powermaster5004]

Yes I never got some of my parts. Went alphacool in the end

[@johnmcmurphy1007]

Great Video! 👍 I have a delidded core-i9-14900KF here and received my EKWB CR360 Direct Die AIO some days ago. Planning to install it tomorrow. 😊

[@theonlyredspecial]

Let me know how you get on would you ? Any issues etc. any problems getting it all ?

[@festerleech4952]

What did you use as the heat source?

[@johnmcmurphy1007]

@@festerleech4952 no heat source, I've used a delid Tool, then applied liquid metal and installed the heat spreader back. That already gave me about 10 degrees and I hope the direct die will gain me another 10-13 degrees 😀 Will do it this weekend, too busy today.

[@thesnake36]

​@@johnmcmurphy1007 So your feedback on this aio? I only received mine at the beginning of May 😢

[@johnmcmurphy1007]

@@thesnake36 Hi, I will try to install it until next weekend and give a reply 🙂

[@CoreGagaGames]

I was going to get this one but then EK decided to delay the shipping for more than a month. I cancelled the order and decided to go with IceManCooler Water Block due to the much better cooling performance.

[@stickyfingers9710]

Thank you for the review James. Brilliant work

[@hotandcoldrunningwater-hj2mn]

That’s a heck of a result. Intel need to look into their designs going forward surely as the improvements are immense. Did you try any of this with modern AMD processors at all James ?

[@KitGuruTech]

Not yet, hopefully EK will have something for AM5 soon.

[@rufusmctavish1164]

Loved the review James. Loads of detail. Going to order one.

[@jrose-xp6tf]

The delid tool's price is outrageous, I got mine from Ebay for 20 bucks and it delids anything. Nice looking AIO although a bit too pricey.

[@geofftatesmate7748]

what delid tool is that? sure it wasnt a spade ?

[@groenevinger3893]

@@geofftatesmate7748 😂

[@camotech1314]

Does it delid your scalp from your brain?

[@larwiemcdonnel5322]

A spade lol 😂

[@festerleech4952]

I dunno its got to do a tricky job not sure if I'd trust a cheapo tool for this.

[@ColinDyckes]

Extremely good result for an AIO especially considering it's not much more than I paid for the Velocity^2 direct die waterblock alone for my custom loop! Sounds great if you don't want to overclock the 14900KS.

[@lovingthehardwarethisyea-py1xp]

Shame they don’t bundle the delid tool. Reading some comments here. Getting them might be a problem.

[@gogopowerrangers6596]

What processor you using colin ?

[@philipjfry628]

Fascinating delidding a CPU. Not sure if I have the balls to do something like that to one of these CPUs. Shame Intel and AMD dont sell versions without the lid!

[@festerleech4952]

Would make sense wonder if we will start seeing this?

[@justindavis7600]

Great job James fantastic bit of work

[@abzaman77]

Can you confirm if the MSI board has a vr vout sensor? TIA. Level 5 LLC with 1.38 VCORE for 5.8P is super impressive for this chip.

[@Alex-cc3ol]

Impressive! I am currently running 14900KS with Corsair H150i AIO. I had to undervolt it and lower the frequency in order to get appropriate temperature

[@cosmefulanito5933]

Sorry for you, with all the Intel scam...

[@Itsameamario-ns3se]

Amazing results. A drop of 20c is incredible. Probably better going custom loop after all that work mind you instead of an AIO

[@jbs001]

Trying to find the test bench used in the video. Can someone provide the make/model? Thank You in advance.

[@joshfredr7846]

How did you clean the residue off the CPU silicon, kind sir ?

[@meredithhowerton202]

Wonder if theres a market for pre-delidded Intel CPUs?

[@Maxverstappenracing-dz3pt]

Ekwb are great. Always wanted to build a new system using their parts.

[@ms3862]

Ekwb quality is trash you know it

[@KitGuruTech]

@@ms3862 based on what?

[@theonlyredspecial]

Ekwb is not trash.

[@ms3862]

@@KitGuruTech based on how every second product launch has issues, I'll never buy another ekwb GPU block because they have a habit of shipping blocks that don't fit, have the incorrect length screws or incorrect thickness thermal pads

[@festerleech4952]

Funny thing never tried to set my oven at such a low temperature. Not sure if it can do that - would have to go the same route as James did with a hot air source.

[@user-vsmsdos]

I'm currently running this cooler on a 14900KS, modified with 6 Unifan SL-120s in push pull on an NV7 and without undervolting it still gets mighty toasty.

[@hotandcoldrunningwater-hj2mn]

You did the delidding ?

[@user-vsmsdos]

@@hotandcoldrunningwater-hj2mn Rockit Cool kit, people say you need to heat it up but I've delidded a 12900K, 14900K and now the 14900KS successfully without any use of a heat gun.

[@theonlyredspecial]

How long did it take you ?

[@user-vsmsdos]

@@theonlyredspecial The actual process of removing the lid takes mere seconds. as fast as you can torque the IHS off the chip basically. Removing the Indium took much longer. I used a lot of gallium to absorb the indium and then hit it with flitz to shine it up after all the indium was removed.

[@thetechdevil-jn1vo]

@@user-vsmsdosHave you noticed 20c temp drops or similar? seems well worth doing if you have done it so many times.

[@MiddleofKnowhere]

Another great video, but I think I'd have a different conclusion: While the results for direct die cooling are great, all this shows is Intel's IHS and/or their and by extension the motherboard makers' BIOS settings are extremely messed up. Intel shouldn't be providing CPUs like this and BIOS settings shouldn't be pushing so much voltage to make the CPU temps so high. While there a myriad of factors, the plain and simple of it is these Intel CPUs run too hot. The average consumer shouldn't have to go to such great lengths (or void warranty) for cooling.

[@KitGuruTech]

Agree with you on both points.

[@maxsmith111]

If I only I needed this

[@kittleeagle]

Running a 14900K “disable all limits” with a Thermalright contact frame / Alphacool Core 1 CPU block and some cheap 360mm Radiators. Able to get nearly 43,000. HW Monitor 1.27V at 5.9GHz with a -0.070V offset. Temps are 76C on the package and room temp 22C

[@lucifersheadscarf6988]

1.27v at 5.9ghz. 😂

[@thetechdevil-jn1vo]

yeah I dont think thats accurate at all.

[@kittleeagle]

@@thetechdevil-jn1vo you don’t have to, I know what my system and hw monitor are reporting. I have another 14900K that is absolute ass and needs 1.4+ Volts to even get 5.8GHz stable and doesn’t like under volting.

[@thetechdevil-jn1vo]

@@kittleeagleYou won the silicon lottery there, must be pat Gellsingers own chip you got. ive had 10 of these - 3 myself and mates have had some, and none got close to that.

[@sortingoutthebills-dy6td]

holy cow batman, those are some results

[@groenevinger3893]

What is a normal cinbench r23 score for a cpu ike this? I have an 13900k, when i turn the powerlimit to max (4096watt) in the bios, i get a cinebench r23 score around 41000 points. I use a 280mm customloop

[@KitGuruTech]

41000 - 42000 points is normal for the 14900K/KS.

[@groenevinger3893]

@@KitGuruTech Then i think im still pretty happy with my 13900k. Thx!

[@Linuxdistro15-ih8ox]

So you should be it’s a great cpu. What cooler are you using ?

[@toonnut1]

I'd like to see the difference between the 13900k and the 14900ks I think they'll be zero difference. I've got my 13900kf 5.7p 45e cinebench r23 42.5k with just the 360 aio so delid it and direct die it and I'm extremely confident that it would match the 14900ks not a single channel has done this comparison between them both delidded I'd really like to see the results

[@ashryver3605]

they aren't, not until these reviewers actually undervolt and tune its acdc etc properly. running it at basically default like this you can see from the scores alone it's barely better than my 13900ks 5.6/4.4/50, and that one is at 93c after like 2-3 runs at 1.225v-1.234v load. Used to be able to run it much lower, but Ring OC, Ram OC, makes it req. more...

[@lucifersheadscarf6988]

I love Ekwb products. Always have

[@ms3862]

Trash

[@ellogicbomba7414]

Random question..what happens if you use a regular AIO on a delidded cpu? would it not make the right contact?

[@frankfasulo9107]

Wow, it ain't that hard to delid. I delidded my i7 14700k without applying any heat and it separated in two attempts. Although you must be careful, you have to apply a lot of pressure to break it free. I'm looking forward to receiving this aio soon and see the results.

[@KitGuruTech]

Nice work!

[@anticommoncore4065]

KitGuru needs to watch JayzTwoCents video named "Motherboard Default settings could be COOKING your CPU!", to deselect that 4095W BIOS setting as shown at 8:22. There has to be a 253w or 288w setting for the Water Cooler. That 4095w setting is driving your CPU to 100C. I had to disable MultiCore Enhancement on my ASUS MB to disable the 4095w setting. It was driving my 12700K to 100C/throttling on the CB23 Multi-Core test. Gaming and 3Dmark benchmarks were exactly as expected for a 12700K/4090, but was not able to complete the 4095w MultiCore Enhancement BIOS setting in BIOS without 100C/throttling. Once deselected in BIOS as Jayz shows in his video, Gaming and 3Dmark results are the same but now I can complete the CB23 Multicore test with a 23400 result and a max temp of 86C.

[@KitGuruTech]

With the beta BIOS it does the opposite of what you are suggesting. It undervolts the CPU too much that it becomes unstable. If you use an older BIOS with the MSI Z790 ACE Max it pushes way too much VCORE voltage to the CPU and cooks it as you suggest. That's why I would always manually tune voltages until I find stability, but not everyone would and end up with either high temperature and throttling or instability.

[@lucifersheadscarf6988]

Jayz2cents. Yeah. An expert 🤦🏻

[@anticommoncore4065]

@@lucifersheadscarf6988I never claimed he was an expert. And I don't think he would make that claim either. I'm no expert myself, I just posted what I experienced with the DEFAULT ASUS BIOS, setting my CPU to the 4095w/Multicore Enhanced mode, and driving my CPU to thermal throttle on CB23 MultiCore test. When I saw KitGuru using the 4095w setting and seeing it throttle, I made the suggestion to check into it.

[@Everychillitsjustlife-cz8zz]

Jay2cents needs to start watching Kitguru videos. Kitguru came up with the whole idea of delidding and worked with Ekwb on this whole project ages ago. Just cause a KZbinr has millions of followers isn’t a sign of quality. Just ask linus.

[@powermaster5004]

Jay is ok. James is on another level

[@Kaikuuuuu]

I wish EK would include a top without the EK logo.

[@RainbowSunset-uq2hs]

Really ? It’s not that bad is it ?

[@brumby92]

Agreed it ruins the look. Most ek stuff is subtle.

[@theonlyredspecial]

@@brumby92interesting, never really noticed it that much overall. but now you point it out !

[@miklaus2873]

What's the best 240mm aio to cool a no limit 14900KS overvolted overclocked more than 300w under 100% load for Blender, rendering, prime, Cinebench R24 etc? Something able tò keep It under 80°C

[@JamesYoung24]

Twenty degrees C drop. Think about that for a moment. That is huge.

[@peterfalkner4436]

Strix Z690 f gaming 14900k intel XTU AI over clock R23 score 41938 corsair elite capalix 150 old style

[@mckenzpace3710]

Does delidding the CPU hurt its value on the second hand market or increase it.

[@KitGuruTech]

It could potentially increase or decrease value depending on who the buyer is.

[@festerleech4952]

Guessing if there was a video proof of the delidding process along with benchmarks and stability guarantee it may increase the price. Only issue I can see is a warranty one in case of a return.

[@michaeldigtheme2337]

The tool seems a bit pricey but considering what its having to do I think its worth the cost.

[@AndreiHristow]

I'm actually hesitating between this motherboard and DARK HERO, which choice do you think is wiser? Water cooling is EK-Nucleus AIO CR360 Lux D-RGB, 13900K

[@KitGuruTech]

Tough decision, both really good motherboards. The Dark Hero was on offer on Amazon recently but I can't remember the exact price now.

[@toonnut1]

The apex is the great one for overclocking

[@AndreiHristow]

@@KitGuruTech I've already learned my lesson. I will now only buy from official distributors A few days ago I returned DARK HERO to RMA, some kind of low quality Chinese thing, scratched DBV battery, signs of use, different colored capacitors, strange USB ports, I was shocked! Unfortunately, the products in Bulgaria come without a branded sticker and anyone can open the box

[@AndreiHristow]

@@toonnut1 I'm not an overclocker, an enthusiast who likes to have something good.

[@toonnut1]

​@AndreiHristow well you can't get better than the z790 apex

[@barbaradunham4213]

This should be all cooling going forward. I no longer want a lid on my processor.

[@bulletboy159]

Intel should just sell delidded cpu's at this point with those temps

[@XCraftllc]

Honestly it's as though the lid is just redundant packaging at this point...

[@abdulazizshami9357]

is it good to OC the i9 to 6.0 Ghz ?

[@patrykkomorek2789]

Hi What AIO chose to i7 14700kf? ekwb nucleus aio cr360 white / Core Matrix 360 / Deepcool LS720 / Deepcool LT720? please help

[@CoreGagaGames]

Arctic III AIO

[@KitGuruTech]

They are all good choices.

[@patrykkomorek2789]

@@CoreGagaGames they have wrong adhesion to intel

[@patrykkomorek2789]

@@KitGuruTech But what have the best low temperature and quiet noise

[@KainOfNosgoth]

@@patrykkomorek2789 Oh really? So how are they functioning with all Intel customers? How are online reviews showing them work flawlessly w with Intel CPUs? Arctic is the number one AIO when it comes to performance without delidding.

[@johnerikson2443]

These are expensive processors not sure I’d have the spine to try this after warding it. Anxiety was high.

[@adellstewart2274]

Can someone please explain to me why AMD and Intel dont ship naked CPUS?

[@bigpoppa1234]

the ek delid tool sucks apparently, but I've used the debauer thermal grizzly one no problem, so if you can get that one (it's also cheaper from what I've seen, significantly so).

[@KitGuruTech]

Seems ok in our testing as seen in video

[@Anton-xd5zd]

What is Intels return policy if the delidding process goes horribly wrong? Can you just say it fell off :)?

[@KitGuruTech]

No, I believe warranty would be void.

[@festerleech4952]

I'm sure CPU lids just fall off all the time 😂

[@monkeewrenchT]

No knowledge at all about the delid thing, I saw James and I just click it.

[@hothardwareforthewin-he4fz]

20c less ? Hold crap intel need to sort that out from the factory !!!

[@ramrod126]

Can we take a moment to talk about the wires from the pump/block not being sleeved, even on a 200+ dollar AIO. IDK about you but I think it is unacceptable.

[@becuasegoodreason]

435W for A CPU.

[@trackero.o4745]

That processor will turn into coal in a few months

[@rubysmith3947]

Need to cojones to try this at home.

[@ashryver3605]

100c 400w 1.36v core vid (probably 1.25 real vCore after droop i HOPE) lol gg degrading so hard so sad to watch cpus get sent like that i would love to buy this direct die AIO, i've only ever done delid 4790k with an ihs still, never bothered with direct die due to potential of breaking the die on a custom loop and shit, but it looks like the aio's contact frame covers all the smds (I wonder if its better than grizzly or thermalright contact frame, or if the two might be interchangeable)... the ONLY downside is that they follow the same design as the CR360 Lux instead of the Dark, meaning its got this stupid big shroud on the hose side, that is blocked by my case, unless I take a plier to it and gnaw it off like I did the cr360 lux.

[@outlet6989]

EK will give you 10% off MSRP if you pick it up at their factory.

[@StefanShiak]

These CPUs are hamstrung by a poor heatspreader quite surprising the difference is that large.

[@powermaster5004]

Never any stock and when you order be prepared to wait for months.

[@KitGuruTech]

It's in stock at OverclockersUK www.overclockers.co.uk/ek-water-blocks-ek-nucleus-cr360-direct-die-1700-d-rgb-all-in-one-cpu-water-coo-ekw-01599.html

[@amdforlife5591]

Can you delid Amd ryzen ?

[@KitGuruTech]

Yes

[@canarychrome7012]

Would you try it ? Some gains on intel clearly 😮

[@lamarlewis4018]

Can you delid an AMD CPU next time?

[@KitGuruTech]

Maybe 😊

[@peterscrace3530]

Cinebech R23 is NOT a stability test!!!!

[@KitGuruTech]

Cinebench has a 30 minute stability test option.

[@peterscrace3530]

@@KitGuruTech rendering with a constant load is not a stability test, does not account for transient load instability for example.

[@DerekDavis213]

14900KS is very fast, but uses tons of watts and needs expensive liquid cooling. Ryzen 7950x offers similar performance, with easier cooling and much lower power consumption.

[@SundayFoggyNotions]

*IT'S BETA BIOS NOT BEATA!! I HAVE TO GO NOW TO RECYCLE MY ALIMIMUM CANS IN MY GAYROHGE!*

[@KitGuruTech]

maybe get your caps lock key fixed too

[@SundayFoggyNotions]

@@KitGuruTech Sorry, my "DEFLECT" key is broken at the moment. I accidentally BEATA it to death! ROTFLMFAO!!

[@barrychuckle2559]

You do realise that the English created the English language don't you? Not Americans. Otherwise, it would have been called the idiots language.

[@AntonijoMilenkovic]

Sort of wish youd taken off the air cooler off that GPU as well and stuck a water cooler block on it.

[@rosalawrence8528]

Its funny AMD and Nvidia dont insist on sticking a lid on their GPUs do they.

[@jsteff9290]

What a waste this AIO if your going to delid a 14900KS you better pair it with something like a Mora420 dual D5

[@Necromancerbob-zp7us]

I thought the results were great

[@yonson_racing]

There are use cases for it. I am currently running direct die on my 13700K with a MORA 1080 and ordered this AIO because now that I have an air cooled GPU it will cool similarly to the custom loop, but mainly because it will take up a LOT less space.

[@wasdwasdwwasd]

Surely you can skip the oven stage by simply microwaving the processor.

[@KitGuruTech]

I would not recommend this.

[@ColinDyckes]

I assume you are joking! Microwaves work by vibrating water molecules in food. VERY BAD IDEA for metal and silicon! Use a conventional oven.

[@gogopowerrangers6596]

Microwave ? Eh ? 😂

[@cieuxlux9617]

These chips are just.. not worth it, in so many different ways. My 13700k is a bottom of the barrel bin and does 5.5 GHz @ 1.37 load. The silicon in this video is doing 5.8 @ 1.36. 300 MHz is certainly significant, but only for overclockers.

[@deadpoolf1]

Moral of the story don't get a intel 14900 series cpu they aren't worth the trouble

[@flagshipbuilds]

Waste

[@KitGuruTech]

Waste of what ?

[@edi18912]

Hi im building a new video editing PC, Primarily for Premier pro and after effects. Just want to get everyone's thoughts. If everything is compatible and makes sense. Also a couple questions Can the Asus motherboard support the 14th gen with a bios update? Im open to new case ideas but very hard to find 420mm radiator supported cases. CPU Intel Core i9-14900K 3.2 GHz 24-Core Processor CPU Cooler ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler Motherboard Asus PRIME Z790-A WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard Memory Silicon Power XPOWER Zenith RGB Gaming 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory Storage Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive Silicon Power US75 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive Silicon Power US75 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive Silicon Power US75 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive Video Card Zotac GAMING Trinity GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card Case Antec Performance 1 FT ATX Full Tower Case Power Supply Gigabyte UD1000GM 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

[@oliviabowen1032]

Can someone please explain to me why AMD and Intel dont ship naked CPUS?

[@KitGuruTech]

Because it would mean changing the manufacturing process which will no doubt cost a lot of money.

[@lauralogan9819]

This should be all cooling going forward. I no longer want a lid on my processor.

[@robynmcmillan5048]

Its funny AMD and Nvidia dont insist on sticking a lid on their GPUs do they.