My New Water Block - Time for 14900KS Direct Die

[@gsuberland]

The reason the signal integrity is better when you leave the copper block further away from the memory traces is that those traces are impedance controlled as differential microstrips, which are top-layer trace pairs where the electric fields couple to the ground plane on the layer below and, to some extent, between the two traces. The impedance is based on the trace geometry and the relative permittivity (ε_r) of the dielectric materials surrounding the traces - in this case, the fiberglass between the top copper layer and second layer, and the soldermask and air above the top copper layer. When you place metal directly over the top of the traces, you're changing the transmission line type from a microstrip to a stripline, which significantly changes the characteristic impedance of the traces in that region. As an example, a 45Ω impedance single-ended microstrip (with a 0.1mm layer height, dielectric ε_r=4.1) suddenly becomes 24.4Ω impedance stripline when you have a copper block floating 0.1mm above it, e.g. if you press it to the board. That impedance discontinuity causes signal reflections, which will narrow the eye diagram and harm signal integrity, and the copper block also causes a significant rise in conductor losses - if the original trace had 0.5dB of conductor loss, you might see closer to 4.5dB of loss with the block pressed to the board. That loss alone may be as much as a third of the total loss budget of the DDR5 link, depending on the speed! No wonder it doesn't work. If you lift that copper block just 2mm off the board, the trace impedance jumps back to within 10% of the original and the conductor losses plummet.

[@dexterman6361]

Dang, I knew the tolerances were important but didn't know it could change that much, thank you for the detailed explanation!

[@Pseudomeaningful]

I am not awake enough to even begin to understand this, but thanks 😂

[@AffectionateLocomotive]

Me too

[@catalinneculita4988]

and that's why some ppl. can run 8400+ DDR5 with no problem and some ppl. that are very experts in DDR4 fail to run even 7600MT. Things change and you need to keep up with new way to undervolt and overclock.

[@olejakobaune8033]

This is some next level comment, thank you

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

I always think it's a shame companies like Intel/AMD don't offer a special edition version that was never 'lidded' as it's the delidding process and the cleaning up the die that is the hassle, scary part and where most of the risk is.

[@Simon_Denmark]

You’ll never get a warranty for a delidded CPU/CPU without IHS from manufacturing. Are you fine with that?

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

@@Simon_Denmark I disagree, Intel's thermal management reacts super fast now if there's an issue and if it's physically damaged then yeah of course that's not going to be covered under a warranty and I'm ok with that. fyi, Intel is offering a delidded warranty on these chips to certain companies, which again to me just says they are worried about the chips getting damaged during the delidding process more than anything else.

[@TBiscuitsmx5]

Roman mentions in the previous video about intel working with some SIs. About selling builds with delidded 14900ks, which will be covered under warranty.

[@Simon_Denmark]

@@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt They’re offering that right now for their current CPU’s or do you mean 14900KS delidded for OEM’s? I know that there’s been some delidded CPU’s sold by Intel in the past right? Anyway I doubt that either of them will start selling delidded CPU’s for normal customers.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

@@Simon_Denmark The warranty is only on the 14900KS and it's only for a select number of OEMs. But what I am talking about is creating a batch of special edition CPUs that were never bonded to the IHS in the first place so that delidding is not even required. That would be easy to do, just take them off the production line before the IHS is put on.

[@coin777]

7:06 As a Polish man i agree we are good at this.

[@IceNinja2007]

Polska!

[@gbspikyfish]

I was going to ask if you could use a Slovak instead.

[@Scarlet_Soul]

And the labour is surprisingly cheap

[@DJKr15py]

7:14 .... I don't think that's legal, Roman...

[@thewatcher1731]

Lmfao caught that too

[@Nienormalny]

13 degrees is just insane.

[@thomasvennekens4137]

yeah 400 watts too :D

[@iamthegamepro]

@@thomasvennekens4137 i dont think this channel is trying to sell you intel. Hes just showing you the insane performance of the cooling technique.

[@Doyle69]

Why is this guy not over a million subs... I have no idea.

[@vr0k3n]

Because it's the "EN" channel, which he made not too long ago to upload the English versions of his videos. Before he uploaded everything to his normal channel, Der8auer, which is now used to upload the German videos exclusively (which still only has 483k subs, still too low for the quality of videos he produces tbh)

[@marios3761]

He is one of thew few "old-school" serious XOC left, actually testing the hardware with real tweaks, squeezing out everything from a system and not calling XMP profiles "tuned" settings. Always love the videos, especially the one electron microscope video was crazy, he should have gotten millions of views. I also love how the AIO is not marked as "watercooling" since AIOs are crap compared to even a simple custom loop.

[@Darkswordz]

@@marios3761 It's not the quantity of subs that counts, it's the quality. 😉

[@JorgeALXNDR]

I never even notice that he had so little subs. Really just assumed he had more than a million. Kinda crazy how youtube works...

[@radn0x]

one of my favorite aswell, straight to the point and with good products

[@pastasauce99]

Woo, that is very hot and power hungry sand.

[@EliteRock]

When DD'ing I've now twice used a PTFE shim covering the PCB, of die thickness (minus perhaps 0.01mm), to ensure even clamping pressure and prevent pin contact issues from the PCB bowing up at the edges/corners. It seems to work well. As it happens I discovered this was a problem with the der8auer 9th gen frame, which is actually over 0.1mm thinner than the die and the entire mounting force/pressure of the cooler plate is exerted only on the die (hence people reporting POST, stability and memory bus issues). ETA >> bear in mind that with no ILM you have to ensure the required minimum total clamping pressure is exerted by the cooler, c. 40 lbs / 18 kg for LGA 115x (I imagine higher for 12/13/14th gen with the higher pin count) according to Intel. I modified the frame by cutting the centre out (which does nothing anyway, just bows up off the PCB) leaving only short 'tabs' so it holds the CPU in place when installing/uninstalling the cooler - without it, it would be easy to fumble when the CPU sticks to the cooler plate and trash the socket.

[@wolflouis_official]

4:40 I cannot find this TG branded piece of acrylic anywhere. Was this ever stocked or never released?

[@cliftonsr]

Roman this is the type of temp testing and research development in this industry I love!

[@willembont4790]

I am impressed. Well done. Thanks.

[@djangoofyork]

It would be nice to see a comparison of your DD block once it's available compared to the EK, Iceman Cooler and Supercool incumbents. I'd like to see the comparison include max core to core temperature deltas as well as an assessment on the repeatability of measurements over several installations, things people have struggled with when using DD blocks previously. I've personally tried all three and settled on the Supercool in my main rig, even with it making loop maintenance more challenging and requiring >200l/h flow. I never comment usually as a long time lurker, so wanted to take the opportunity to thank you for your content.

[@IonutImbrea55]

How do you connect the water block to a cooler? Do you desmantle another one? If yes, don;t you lose liquid?

[@notjulesatall]

8:00 isn't toothpaste abrasive enough for polishing the die?

[@der8auer-en]

Yes just make sure you use one that looks white. These typically also contain zinc or aluminum oxide

[@J.king87]

when is direct die for sell for 13th/14th gen intel ?

[@michaelcarson8375]

I am interested in this block, I have the EK direct die block, but since they have QC problems I'd rather just get a block that will work correctly the first time I delid a 14900ks.

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

9:37 really crazy to think about, when you’re on the bleeding edge, every little bit counts

[@t0mn8r35]

Excellent result and great testing like always. Sorry we didn't get to see the nice cats this time...

[@metallurgico]

that acrilic piece for removing the glue is amazing

[@GrandAdmiralHamilton]

Great that you're showing every step of the delid process including cleaning the die! 😊👍

[@jay16v]

Sold on the new Delid-Die-Mate , went to check if i can get one now but no stock in the UK😆 Looks a much much better design than the EK one i have here that i used on 13th gen and the acrylic piece is a brilliant idea 😃 How long till they are back in stock as really want to delid this new KS ....

[@subamax8482]

Hello Roman I just want to know when the Intel's Mycro Direct Die would be available please. I just see AM5 model but no LGA1700 to purchase . Kind regards, Max.

[@VFD4u]

I'd love to see gaming benchmarks for this beast, overclocked and direct die

[@TuxikCE]

Hey, I've always noticed that you say that Hwinfo taking some of your CPU, but even on my little quad core CPU it barely takes any CPU usage, what is wrong with yours?

[@der8auer-en]

I adjust it to 500ms polling rate. Otherwise it only updates every 2 seconds which is too slow for what I want to test. If you increase the polling reate it takes more resources

[@toonnut1]

You can get a cinebench r23 score 42k+ with all core 5.7 I'm confused why that score is so low for 6ghz

[@IbodhiFreire]

Hwinfo will influence results. Also, he might be recording using obs

[@betag24cn]

i think this cpu is saying 6ghz but not really reaching it, after all it is a overclock over a overclock over a overclock

[@brennanIX]

Yeah, I have an average quality 14900k, and I can just break 41k with a manual vcore of only 1.320v. I planned to do the same when my KS arrives. Not interested in overclocking, really. I mean its fun/cool, but I have no purpose for it besides just personal enjoyment. I went through 4 14900k, and just said screw it on the 5th one. Too much of a pain chasing better silicon quality. So, I just got the 14900ks essentially because I wanted a better binned 14900k, which would be guaranteed without playing the silicon lottery. IMO, the little bit of price increase is 100% worth the tine and money you saving chasing better random 14900k.

[@dragonsyph2557]

EXACTLY, my stock 13900ks scores 42.5k. Can reach almost 45k OC. On an LT720 AIO.

[@bryanrivera1528]

This water block is literally the last piece to my 1000d build. Any update on when it's releasing?

[@deaddog2472]

HI. I also delid on 149 kf. I DID EVERYTHING SAME AS YOU. I used the grizly tool IL LOOP EK DIRECT DIE. the temperatures are 30 degrees lower...but if I DO BENCHMARK IT CRASHES INSTANTLY. can you give me some advice. WHAT SHOULD I CHANGE FROM BIOS? I'M ASKING FOR HELP. I CAN NO LONGER USE THE DESKTOP PC

[@KevinCulla9]

Any update on when these water blocks might release? EKWB has kept me waiting nearly 4 months on a direct die AIO pre-order. Would love to get something quality in my system.

[@Spinelli__]

Are the holes on the direct die block far apart enough to fit 2 Koolance QD4 quick disconnects (without having to use angled fittings, swivels, etc.) instead of QD3? It's getting annoying how every block has their holes spaced so close together.

[@koford]

This CPU should be Special Edition (water cooling required)

[@trixter192]

It pretty much is. You would be a fool to buy a KS and air cool it.

[@madalinradion]

You will see a lot better temps even on an air cooler if you're going bare die, don't think water cooling would be necessary in this situation

[@nickshaffer7659]

Don't give intel any ideas next thing they'll do is branch off and make 15(1-9k) and a second run of 15(1-9w) for waterblock edition lol

[@koford]

@@nickshaffer7659 haha yea you never know..rolleyes. profit profit profit.

[@lookitsrain9552]

@@trixter192You would have to be a fool to buy this cpu in the first place

[@NexGen-3D]

Really nice, last Intel CPU I did this too was a Devil Canyon, made a massive improvement on that one, the water block looks great, but should have some soft foam pads in the corners like the old AMD Athlons had to keep things level as you install it.

[@Boofster]

Could you specify the bolt torque? I have a torque screwdriver and I think it would take a lot of the guesswork out of it if we had to aim for a specific value.

[@kubburdigital]

what about adding plastic spacers to the bottom of the direct die to keep the spacing from the motherboard correct?

[@THANHNGUYEN-uq8zk]

where do u get that pusher to get off the glue? its in the direct die mate?

[@t8pguw8ejbwgp9e2]

in Mykro can please provide seal / gasket for Liquid Metal like Minisforum did on EM680 for added peace of mind

[@jonaswox]

is polishing not just filling the small holes in the surface? , ie exactly what the liquid metal will do upon application?

[@Spinelli__]

No, polishing is more basically like micro sanding.

[@jonaswox]

@@Spinelli__ roger, thanks for the info

[@jasongibbs798]

So where can I get this waterblock

[@elbeetlebeasto]

Roman, did you change the PL1 & PL2, and if so, what did you set them to? And what PL1/PL2 setting do you recommend for the regular 14900k? I kinda wish Intel would offer a Core i9 SKU that comes without an IHS from the factory. I did direct-die on my 9900k and it dramatically improved my temps, but it was such a tedious process getting my AIO to mount properly that I didn't bother doing it to the 14900k system I just built

[@killer01ws6]

Awesome results, I will be looking for your cooler, my 13900K is delided and direct die cooled, but it is a plexie unit, I like the looks of your better and hopefully will see even a few more C improvement, but I am already pretty low as I also use a chiller on a tank.

[@dragonsyph2557]

My stock 13900ks scores higher then his OC 14900ks, something wrong in this video.

[@mehck-gk9yn]

@@dragonsyph2557 it's pretty much the same chip you probably just got a nice bin

[@JustinAlexanderBell]

Would it be actually worse thermal performance to have an o ring seal along the die and then a block sealing against that for true direct die water cooling?

[@bugostare]

The CPU is definitely still throttling, but it's just not visible in HWinfo. My 13900k (even with some things running in the background, including HWinfo and FanControl) gets 42000 or very close to it in Cinebench R23, at 5.6-5.5Ghz P-core and 4.4Ghz E-core, so there's no way you get the same score if it's truly running the P-cores at 6Ghz... It can be very tricky to figure out if there's throttling under heavy load since the reporting becomea very delayed and isn't fast enough to begin with. The CPU can change clock speed many times in one polling update (even if you set polling to 100ms) and it wouldn't show normally, but when it's lagging like that because of the benchmark you can't even see what you normally would, but the score reveals lower performance than expected reliably.

[@bugostare]

Also Windows task manager since windows 8 doesn't show CPU busy time or utilization, but core utility (like you can also see in HWinfo64) that's capped to 100% (yes it's kinda stupid, and not normalized) so it's not 5% of available performance or CPU busy time, rather, it's compared to the work that would be possible to do if the CPU was at stock clock (no OC or Turbo Boost) except it'll not show more than 100% (HWinfo64 does).

[@Spinelli__]

If it's changing clockspeed then how is HWInfo not reporting it? Even if it changes many times in 1 polling rate, the chances of not even a single one of those hundreds, if not thousands, of changes being detected by HWInfo is beyond astronomical. Of course there'll be a ton of changes that HWInfo won't detect as you correctly pointed out, but how can there be 0 changes detected? If in, say, 10 seconds, the speed changes 10,000x, the chances of HWInfo not even detecting, say, 3,000 or, I don't know, let's say, 800 of those changes is beyond astronomical.

[@bretthake7713]

Yep thought the same thing - I have a 360 AIO and my 13900k will regularly hit 40k in c23 at 330 watts. Why is sucking so much more power without any more performance? Is the extra wattage really generating "so much" heat that it's down-clocking that much?

[@Spinelli__]

Also, check out Clock'EM UP (I think Vietnamese or Thai channel). He does 6.0, 6.1, and 6.2 all-core with a 13900KS and 14900K and at fairly low temps (high 60s to low 80s) yet his scores are also more inline with DerBauer's. Something doesn't make sense if a "measly" 5.5 GHz all-core is getting the same or higher score than a 6.0-6.2 GHz all-core direct-die cooled system.

[@bugostare]

@@Spinelli__ Because the clock speed you see reported is just BCLK clock times CPU core multiplier - it's not really a measurement. CPUs constantly switch states and clock speeds many times per second, even effectively turning off when doing nothing (known as core parking, though it can be disabled). What you should look at is the effective clock, though keep in mind it is an averaged value, not an instantaneous measurement, and under full load this will obviously not report every single cycle as the CPU will be fully busy. Either way this data isn't just a reading of some sensor, so you can't rely on it fully, which is why the most reliable way is to simply test how long it takes to complete some known amount of work, that doesn't rely on polling or reporting or anything like that, and also doesn't require extra software. Sometimes the clock will be lowered long enough for HWinfo64 to report the decrease, but in those cases the throttling will already be very obvious.

[@elektronischermeister]

How is the procedure to dispose the metals on the wipes? It is not hazardous to the environment or health?

[@ThePurpleRider]

Liquid metal is most likely a mix of gallium, indium and tin so no worries about throwing wipes away. If you're thinking about mercury then don't worry, it's not very useful for this type of application.

[@fengyink]

Delidding tool instock today, any eta on the lga 1700 waterblock, Roman?

[@rekareaper]

Do you not sell the acrylic scraper? I'm not seeing it on the site or included with the delidding tool or the direct die block?

[@CarputingYT]

Does not sell at the moment from what I saw. Non-scratch plastic scrapers from Amazon are fine too

[@TheDarkbb2]

It comes with delid die mate

[@rekareaper]

@@TheDarkbb2 thank you! I didn’t see it in the pictures or listed as one of the included parts for it, so I wasn’t sure.

[@ScoopsGodx]

i just bought one of these and was wondering do you need to heat it up to melt the solder before delidding or just use the tool?

[@hudsonreynolds4349]

This is so impressive. You are very inspiring!

[@dark-pixels]

Could it be possible to make a update of the contact frame of this nice DD block with bottom-out base, like with Thermalright contact frames ? It will bee wayyy easer to mount. :)

[@chrissoucy1997]

Intel should just sell delidded cpus that come with a direct die frame at this point for like 30-40 usd more.Its cheaper for them to not have to give you a copper IHS and it removes the delidding risk and hassle for us while keeeping our warranty and have better temperatures.

[@Pro4TLZZ]

Aye

[@MrHakisak]

Hey Der8auer can you please clarify what you mean at 8:30? Does contact pressure effect memory frequency capabilities? I always thought once it's detected then it's okay. I have thin washers on my delided 12900k to reduce (pressure) bending, but find it very difficult to overclock memory, I can't even do xmp when my memory kit is on my boards qvl list.

[@dexterman6361]

See comment made by @gsuberland. It has a lot of good info

[@MSteamCSM]

Can you cool the die with water directly? So water could flow right on to the die itself?

[@ThePurpleRider]

Inside the cooler there's a part with a lot of tiny fins for the water to flow through. That way you get a lot of surface area and better heat transfer. If you just put the water onto the die directly it would be worse by a lot because there's less surface area as well as not as much thermal mass. The water block also provides a closed loop. Imagine if the sealant failed on a direct die to water setup, coolant everywhere. Same reason we put little aluminum heat spreaders on VRMs instead of just leaving the package by itself.

[@khvichamakadze2903]

Always liking videos first then proceed to watch them. Never regretted doing so. Thank you Roman for greatest tech content.

[@DaveGamesVT]

I really do wish we'd have some innovation in this area. Maybe with CPUs coming delidded by default like old CPUs, or some kind of different heat spreader.

[@criznittle968]

Why was the power consumption lower when you had more thermal headroom?

[@PHANT0M410]

Laws of thermodynamics, the better the chip is cooled, the less internal electrical resistance, resulting in less energy required to do the same task

[@VadikRamm]

I hope I live to the day when Thermal Grizzly makes 420 AIOs :D

[@schifoso]

Why do P cores 7 and 5 (and maybe 3) always seem to have the highest temperatures? Same thing happens on my 13900K.

[@shivastrue]

I wonder if the 6Ghz OC with direct die is with the same LLC as before?...

[@jakesnow96]

I wonder if the Delta Tec 2 from EKWB is direct die compatible

[@olivierwolphjoseph2329]

No it’s not

[@Daddy_Ghost]

Any updates on when this water block is available for 14th gen?

[@ukaszsmoa8416]

Will there be a version of this block with clear plexi?

[@animearmpits3060]

hey, quick question bro, I have a 13900k and I just order the EK quantum Delta2 tec. I was wondering if it would make sense to not delid the CPU as it still has the Indium Solder and I was wondering if I get better temps if I leave it stock? also, I've been wondering how does the thermal grizzly conductonaut work at sub ambient with the tec coolers? does it get cold enough to make it not work?

[@PointingLasersAtAircraft]

How are the microfins formed on the direct die block?

[@RafnII]

When are you going to release the laser cut acrylic tool for removing stuff from cpu?

[@krico135]

Hi der8auer. Would you have any idea why they are not releasing any new bios updates for Z790 AORUS Master X motherboards? Last update was on 25th December 2023 and its really p***ing me off.

[@CTYCompRepair]

Question : Do you disable the motherboard manufacturer performance optimizations? Optimized defaults often ignore Intel power profile and are terribly inefficient for voltage and temperature. I also notice you have AI features. If it has AI Overclocking you should give it a shot. I've seen impressive results, but haven't had a mobo with the option to try for myself.

[@awetisimgaming7473]

I'm still unable to find an am5 version of this block for sale literally anywhere, does anyone know if there's gonna be more made, or if I can even get one at all?

[@hardrocklobsterroll395]

Yeah for production having a big floating copper plane right there next to a bunch of high speed traces is going to be a nightmare for signal integrity. If you can net even a few mm on that one side I think it may mitigate the issue. The electric field should attenuate extremely quickly at such low potentials reducing cross talk and line capacitance.

[@hrmf32]

On a ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming WiFi II what would be the maximum memory clock speed (mhz) to use for a "user" to get a stable system? this time not planning to do overclock just get the max memory speed i can and system be stable. I appreciate the feedback since your very experienced on this.

[@DeanMurphyCDM]

Is it possible to preorder the 1700 block? I’m running an EK Velocity2 with direct die mod and the results are underwhelming. Still pushing 100 degrees when benchmarking.

[@keithhoman2263]

When would this be available to order?

[@CarputingYT]

TODAY 09:30 EASTERN STANDARD TIME

[@playludesc]

Will the AM5 mycro be available again?

[@mariocentenomayo4129]

Please, could be possible to see a thermal performance comparison between your new Direct Die waterblock and the Supercool Computer 14th Gen Full Copper?. I have also the new 14900KS already delided, and im looking for the best waterblock possible. I think the overclock community will be really interested on see this comparison because, for the moment, it looks like the Supercooler option still beaing the optimus on the market. Thanks for all your videos stuff. I learn a lot with u. It will be interesting also know where to buy your new waterblock, for the moment i can´t found it on the shop. Have a nice day !!

[@Joshkaay]

you can count me in on grabbing one of those blocks im gonna compare it to ek direct die velocity 2

[@jeroen5736]

how long before it is for sale ?

[@scambio_termico]

Wouldn't it be better to use a PCM (phase change material) like Honeywell PTM7950 instead of liquid metal ?

[@Spinelli__]

PTM7950 is good and, and fantastic for certain applications but for very hot, very high heat-dense area (ie. tons of heat & tiny space), like a powerful, little CPU die, liquid metal is much superior. Disclosure: this is from research, reading forums of others' experience (especially on overclocking websites), etc. and not from any of my own personal experience.

[@brennanIX]

PTM7950 is nothing that special. Top end thermal pastes work equally good, while LM SIGNIFICANTLY outperforms even the best paste on the market. You could easily expect an 8 to 10 degree improvement on temps with LM over PTM.

[@kBitre]

What flow rate is your direct die water block going to be optimized for high/med/low? Thanks, looks good!

[@DropDii]

hey what make / brand are you silver qdc connectors, i want to buy :)

[@杨志远-d4q]

koolance qd3

[@valminyaylo9747]

Can you build a block that would allow fluid to touch cpu directly and use non conductive fluid?

[@cds5067]

Nobody knows how but yes, this is the best way.

[@tacoterito22]

Cant see the Intel Block on the web, only the amd... where is it?

[@brunogm]

Why remove Indium solder and not just amalgam with LM ??

[@EinSwitzer]

Qtip silicon teflon gel onto cpu pcb get it hot with preheater then cool it down while applying more coatings then completely clean with clean qtips thermal as well as noise dampening for better response as well as efficiency

[@Stefan-cf3fy]

Looks really good! And thank you for the thermalpaste polish tip! Do you have any plans to ship it with some kind of seal ring (like Sony did with the PS5) so that the liquid metal doesn't dry out? So that you don't have to repaste after 6months / 1 year.

[@danielbrown1419]

Is a direct die cpu block better for any cpu in general then using a normal block?

[@cristiansciolti5122]

Where we can buy the tool for remove indio and silicon?

[@der8auer-en]

It will be included in our delidders in the future. Not sure if we will sell it separately

[@cristiansciolti5122]

@@der8auer-en do you know when?

[@ChrispyNut]

I really wish your mycro blocks had the G1/4" placement as it on the alphacool one, as it provides by cleaner plumbing lines, especially when including memory cooler (which means sense again with DDR5). I know alignment horizontally / vertically has been the norm forever, but neither are as good and vertically is worst IMO.

[@Spinelli__]

Wouldn't vertically - with intake at the top - be best for performance as the liquid is getting an extra velocity boost thanks to being acceleration from gravity? Personally, I'm just hoping his block's holes have enough spacing between them to use Koolance QD4 quick disconnects instead of the QD3 - regardless of vertical, horizontal, or diagonal orientation.

[@ChrispyNut]

@@Spinelli__ That strikes me as having even less effect than block/rad order. Gravity will be pulling down on the return, thus equalizing. It's a loop.

[@helpless897]

what is the release time frame for the x3d compatible direct die frame?

[@der8auer-en]

We will finish CNC producton of these frames next week. Then 2-3 weeks until available due to anodizing and packaging

[@StealthSanMain]

Will you be selling that scrapper for the glue on the cpu?

[@bornagain2641]

does the direct die block come with the cpu delidder

[@XCraftllc]

Awesome man! Can you put a list of all the items you used in the description with links if able?

[@DrHakennase]

We need an AIO Water Cooler for Direct Die cooling

[@marksnethkamp8633]

Been waiting for it where can I get one!?

[@bornagain2641]

how well does your phase change pad work with the direct dye, temps

[@Bluelagoonstudios]

Oh my, the flowmeter from aquacomputer is way smaller than I thought. I'm going to buy this one also, together with the quadro interface to steer my PWM fans, and my EK pump. But I'm not sure to use the DRGB option, because my case will already have an overload of ARGB. I must say the temperatures dropped significantly then your other video. But it's concerning you have to use water cooling to cool the damn thing. For regular users, this will become a problem.

[@rohannfraser8503]

When is the Intel version going to be in stock?

[@chrishan9138]

But can you get higher SINGLE CORE performance?

[@jsunn6791]

Will a nickel plated version be available?

[@EinSwitzer]

Slow pump flow or block flow completely monitored temps break it in properly as well as tune the function built in ai due its job while showing proper energy to adapt to

[@ipoopmuffins]

what is at the top layer of the die? taking a sharp edge and/or polishing the die with an abrasive would be a bit sketchy for me lol. but i know you know what youre doing. also, man the difference from the IHS to direct die cooling is amazing.

[@AtramZelian]

why not set cinebench at real-time priority on task manager? it hardware monitor will not use CPU during the bench mark, and you will get a temperature reading right after cinebench is done.

[@adriancioroianu1704]

Can anybody tell me what's the difference in temperature between a stock cpu and a delidded (cleaned die, applied liquid metal, re-lid and regular termal paste on the lid) with a 360 AIO for example at exact same settings? I'm asking for a 14700k, i wonder if it's worth the delidding process or nah. Not really interested in direct die cooling on this one altought it's cooler and all (literally and figuratively).

[@betag24cn]

go watch the previous video, do not forget what is this cpu, a overclocked version of ypurs

[@adriancioroianu1704]

@@betag24cn there's nothing relevant to my question in the last video, it's just a stock benchmark video essentially. i was hoping for this video to be answering my question but in this one he is benchmarking the direct die variant, not the re-lid in which i am interested. So you have stock and extreme scenarios so to speak (without exotic cooling), not the regular delid - relid option in which i am interested. That's why i am asking

[@betag24cn]

@@adriancioroianu1704 in the last video it was used with a aio, now you see it delidded, your cpu and this waste of sand are not that different, ypurs has the advantage of not waste as much epectricoty while being a shame for pc enthusiasts

[@adriancioroianu1704]

@@betag24cn bro, in the former video he uses an AIO, yes, but he's still benchmarking the cpu stock. And in this video he's benchmarking the cpu delidded but with direct die cooling. There is no info about delidded and relidded cpu with normal cooling, so the most "mainstream" mod let's say, the one in which i am interested.

[@betag24cn]

@@adriancioroianu1704 that is my point, this cpu without overclock, applied by the user, uses 400 watts, the normal one uses 300 watts, you already know what thos cpu os and where it stands woth and without this solution

[@Blaxkor]

I find it interesting that having a larger gap between the direct die block ILM and the memory traces improves the signaling enough to make a large difference. I have tried icemancooler block from aliexpress which was around 80 USD and has a thick plastic skirt and it works fine at 8200+ on apex encore even with a relatively weak IMC. I then tried using a direct die frame from them and a modified optimus foundation block with a hole dremeled for SMD capacitor clearance and it would struggle to even boot 8000 and would error really fast in ycruncher at any torque values that I tried. I have not used liquid metal with either as im using a chiller with the capability of going subzero but the best paste results I have had were PTM7950 and any really thick paste like thermalrights lineup. Kryonaut and KPX were both fairly bad for core-core delta and water-core temp deltas. I got similar temperature results to the ones in your video with 14900kf but about 5-10c worse on the hottest core due to not using liquid metal. Also that cinebench score of 42k is a bit low for 6ghz but it can be explained by lower E core clocks probably.

[@dexterman6361]

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[@almighty151986]

What could it clock too under direct die with the e-cores disabled?

[@cds5067]

Above 9ghz on ln2