El Argar Culture: Europe's forgotten first state?

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@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 3 жыл бұрын
29:56 - Those castles are called "motillas" (absolutely related to "motte" but diminutive form) and sometimes considered a distinct group, the architecture is very similar to Sardinian nuraghes (same period but longer chronology) and the material culture AFAIK is rather like the Bronze of Levante (Valencian Country) than that of El Argar (Almería, Murcia and much fo Grananda and Jaén provinces). They are AFAIK the first human colonization of the region of La Mancha (quite arid) and IMO they seem a planned system of "baronies" to secure trade routes with the Plateau (herder culture of Cogotas I) and Extremadura, and probably, via these, to the most important tin mines of the Northwest of the peninsula, whose tin is confirmed in Sardinia but (considering that El Argar B shows cultural interaction with Mycenaean Greece, and Sardinia with Egypt) may have been exported as far as the Eastern Mediterranean. And no kidding about Eastern Mediterranean trade: it's older than that. A study on the ivory found in Chalcolithic Southern Iberia concluded that, while the one found in the part of Portugal came from (North) Africa, the one found in Andalusia came from Syria, where there were elephants related to the Indian type still in those days (it surprised me too when I read it some years ago).
@79klkw
@79klkw Жыл бұрын
Your comment was full of great information! Your deduction regarding how the little towns are set on land makes perfect sense. They needed little rest stops along the route...
@richardcook5919
@richardcook5919 Жыл бұрын
I live in Spain, and have known about this culture for some time. I'm trying to establish the role the post-Argaric people played in the eventual emergence of the Iberians, who seem to have first appeared in roughly the same region.
@halley8890
@halley8890 3 жыл бұрын
I listened to the podcast earlier but, it is always nice to see your smiling faces:)
@janetmackinnon3411
@janetmackinnon3411 3 жыл бұрын
THank you again. So stimulating!
@ThePrehistoryGuys
@ThePrehistoryGuys 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@martinquijada
@martinquijada Жыл бұрын
Estupendo debate de alto nivel sobre la cultura de la enigmática civilización del Argar.
@matthall143
@matthall143 3 жыл бұрын
What a super interesting episode.....interest peeked!!
@susytomable
@susytomable 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@michaeldarby3503
@michaeldarby3503 3 жыл бұрын
Macins surname is pronounced Priz-bill-a, I'm amazed the basked wasn't full of single socks while the owner searched for their missing pairs.
@deanamyers57
@deanamyers57 3 жыл бұрын
I think I might have all those missing parts over here 🤣
@allisonferguson6040
@allisonferguson6040 3 жыл бұрын
Rennet used to turn milk into curds and whey is from the lining of a calves stomach. So the “experiment”is not illogical. As usual all your segments are fascinating.
@marpafranzoni9536
@marpafranzoni9536 3 жыл бұрын
That is indeed interesting! I was also just going to comment on the cheese, myself... However I was just going to mention that in the Himalaya, the Tibetans still make yak's butter for use in candle making (probably among other applications) but the interesting thing is that they make the butter *within* the belly of a dead yak! Again, good to know that rennet comes from calve's stomachs; I've heard of rennet but never knew where it came from 🤔
@helenamcginty4920
@helenamcginty4920 2 жыл бұрын
Whey us the liquid left once the milk has curdled. Nothing to do with cow stomachs. My mum used to make cream cheese if the milk went sour. (You cant do it with homogenised it just goes pink, yellow and green. ) plain old pasturised milk in the days before fridges often went sour. The milkman would drop off 6 or 8 bottles specially instead of throwing them out. Wait until the curds and whey separate in the bottle then put the whole lot in a bit of old sheet (over a bowl) tie the top and hang it up.somewhere over the bowl until the whey has dripped out. Cream cheese.
@Byronic19134
@Byronic19134 10 ай бұрын
@@helenamcginty4920I love milk and everything it bears fruit too and can’t believe there are people like vegans who think we should not be consuming the milk of another animal when it’s life sustaining and non harmful to animals.
@lluc2864
@lluc2864 2 жыл бұрын
The pottery was also standarized, each pot is a portion of the bigger size. So even the shapes and sizes were decided by the state.
@rosemcguinn5301
@rosemcguinn5301 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for covering that Alpena site! Very much appreciated. 😘🥰🤩😎👍👍👍
@ThePrehistoryGuys
@ThePrehistoryGuys 3 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@Rusty-GB
@Rusty-GB 3 жыл бұрын
Knowing you are working on a second Standing with Stones has made my month. That is excellent news.
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 3 жыл бұрын
On the issue of language and writing, it's fairly clear that Argarians were proto-Iberians (understod as "ancient Iberians" of the kind Phoenicians, Greeks and Romans would encounter at the dawn of History). The Argaric "civilization" was destroyed but most Argaric towns (and closely related "Bronze of Levante" ones) continued into the late Bronze Age as "post-Argaric culture" and then into the Iron Age eventually coalescing into the Iberian culture, which expanded northwards against the Celts and then reached the 2nd Punic War, when History proper begins in that region. We thus know their language and unique script because there are many written remains from the Iron Age: slabs, texts on lead, etc. In a few cases they wrote in a variant of the Greek alphabet, which is very readable, but the Iberian script is more or less well understood by now anyhow. It was something that was almost certainly related to Basque but not close enough to be directly readable as such (numbers for example are well known by now and all are Basque-like). There have been some findings that strongly suggest that an early version of the Iberian (and/or the related Tartessian) script existed as early as the Chalcolithic but it's a bit like the Balcanic script sometimes called "Vinca script": not enough evidence exists and none should be found if they used organic materials (paper-like stuff like bark or wood) for most of their writings.
@kalechips965
@kalechips965 3 ай бұрын
Please could you share links to the findings you mentioned suggesting that Iberian script may date back to the copper age and that Argargic people were related to Iberians?
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 3 ай бұрын
@@kalechips965 - I wish we could still share links at You Tube comments: it would make these conversations much easier and richer. Sadly any comment with links are systematically deleted without any warning by YT (as well as many others quite arbitrarily). My main reference is Dr. Vázquez Hoys but the link I had in 2012 (UNED) is gone. I did write an article on the matter, with images of the most relevant "texts", at my old blog that year. Search for "Chalcolithic Iberian script?" at the (Blogger) blog "For what they were... we are". As for the Argarians and the related Bronze of Levant people (Valencian Country and La Mancha motillas), I'm persuaded that they are the direct precursors of ancient Iberians because of archaeological continuity, which I have studied for decades on books mostly. I'll tell you what I learned: El Argar's main towns were destroyed in the Late Bronze Age but most other towns persisted in the so-called post-Argaric culture. The mainline interpretation is that the centralized Argarian state collapsed but that the overall society of now disconnected city-states remained. Much later, c. 590 BCE, right after the foundation of Marseilles (c. 600 BCE) and its outposts in Catalonia (Rhodes/Roses, Emporion/Ampuries), it is very apparent that the Celtic core at Catalonia-Languedoc was quite suddenly Iberianized (in language and script but not in funerary customs). This I interpret as military conquest ("reconquest", as the Ibero-Basque element was older than the Celtic one) and it had the effect to cut Iberian Celts (already expanded to the interior and in the process of some other conquests in Galicia and Extremadura-Alentejo) from their continental brethren, which in turn surely explains why no trace of druidism (arguably originated in Late Iron Age Britain) or La Tène culture is found among Iberian Celts (sometimes even claimed to be "atheist"). Anyway, more recently it was discovered that there was a genetic shift in Iberia, notably in the Eastern parts, in favor of what is essentially modern Basque genetics, and that it happened probably in the Bronze Age (although it's possible that is as old as Bell Beaker period = late Chalcolithic). I don't have time to search for references right now, much less when I have to carefully vet them because some authors claimed that such Basque-like genetics were "Indoeuropean", what is not just wrong but extremely misleading, confusing and manipulative. This Basque-like or ancient Iberian genetics seem to be the foundation of modern Iberian ones (plus significant Celtic "French-like" and Roman/Italian admixture, the former strongest in Catalonia, the latter in Andalusia). The Western third of Iberia may be more complex and also includes a mystery c. 10% North African genetic component that is surely pre-Muslim and even prehistorical but has not been clarified yet on what timeline it was incorporate (very homogeneous from Asturias-Galicia to Algarve-West Andalusia, very intriguing).
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 3 ай бұрын
@@kalechips965 - I just tried to reply to your question without links but with as many references as I could and as extensively as I could in this format and it was auto-deleted right away. Sorry.
@kalechips965
@kalechips965 3 ай бұрын
@@LuisAldamiz Damn, I'm sorry for the wasted effort! Are you able to at least give me some author names or DOIs to give my search some direction? Thanks in advance!
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 3 ай бұрын
@@kalechips965 - Vázquez Hoys for the Iberian script. It's an issue lingering from 1950s but I did write an article in 2012 at my old blog, yet only mentioning blogs seems to trigger the auto-censor's alert, no matter they're from the same company.
@SP_33333
@SP_33333 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info on the Agaric culture. Something new to research. 👍
@ThePrehistoryGuys
@ThePrehistoryGuys 3 жыл бұрын
Any time!
@Jez-Hunt
@Jez-Hunt 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff, chaps! Thank you! Always amazing to find out about new old cultures! It was only earlier this year that I stumbled upon the Nuragic culture, and if you don't know of them, give them a look, they left some incredible building and tomb remains. So many old stories out there to find out about!
@ThePrehistoryGuys
@ThePrehistoryGuys 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@silviaavila5654
@silviaavila5654 Ай бұрын
My first time listening t 55:01 o you guys or should I call you history teachers? Anyhow, I loved it!!! Thank you for sharing I will be your new listening for sure.
@bozo5632
@bozo5632 3 жыл бұрын
If you haven't, then you should have a look at the ancient mounds in North America, which seem to have some parallels with some ancient sites in Europe. See "Poverty Point" in particular, where a pre-agricultural society built a large-ish small town.
@philpaine3068
@philpaine3068 3 жыл бұрын
I read a lot of archaeological reports and papers, and I find it possible to get quite a bit of useful information from papers written in Spanish and Portuguese, neither of which I speak. It helps that I speak and read French, so that the basic grammar and some of the vocabulary is at least guessable. If I use Google Translate, I can get a somewhat bizarre, garbled "translation", but if I hold that in one window and compare it back and forth with the original text in another window, I can usually get a pretty good idea of what is being said. It takes a while to get the hang of this process, but I now find it rewarding. I can read a paper this way in about twice or thrice the time it would take in English. I recommend this procedure. One bonus is that, if done enough times, and if enough of it sticks with you, it counts to some degree as learning the language. It is less useful with other languages as they get further away from Germanic and Romance language families. With Hungarian, for example, and other Finno-Ugric languages, it is not very useful --- or for that matter anywhere outside of Indo-European languages.
@steben3318
@steben3318 3 жыл бұрын
Please ask your editing team ;D to x3 or x4 the time images are displayed, wanted to say wow for longer over that straw bag. Thanks for your passion.
@amberann1229
@amberann1229 3 жыл бұрын
🤣 Editing team. I’m surprised Michael hasn’t answered your request as he is the editing team. What you see is what you get, just Rupert and Michael 🙂
@ThePrehistoryGuys
@ThePrehistoryGuys 3 жыл бұрын
I take your point - and they're timed to maintain the flow of the piece. Remember you have a pause button - if you'd like to study something for longer, you can simply press pause and take as long as you like!
@jeb-zf4un
@jeb-zf4un 3 жыл бұрын
Love your work boys. Have you ever thought about doing a collab with Stephan Milo.
@chubbymoth5810
@chubbymoth5810 3 жыл бұрын
That would be a great idea! I can recommend teaming up with him, though I guess he'll have some serious discussions on the topic of cattle pens with you guys.. I personally always find it a bit of a stretch not to combine the arcane and mundane together and think of many of those places more as meeting locations at certain times of the year to trade cattle for brides (or grooms) combined with ceremonies and trading. Many cattle herding cultures today still have such transactions with elaborate ceremonies around it that reinforce cultural bonds. Human mating somehow also seems linked to ancestors, with even today marriage in churches next to a graveyard as the continuation of the family. That type of symbolism appears to be pervasive in human history and pre-history.
@bozo5632
@bozo5632 3 жыл бұрын
I third the nomination.
@BaltimoresBerzerker
@BaltimoresBerzerker 3 жыл бұрын
Plz don't
@OMGAnotherday
@OMGAnotherday 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff Thanks guys 🌅
@MediaFaust
@MediaFaust 3 жыл бұрын
After having worked as a stone mason for 20 odd years I have acquired a "feel" for the material which helps me properly appreciate the sheer amount of work that's been invested in many of these ancient sites. It's often quite impressive ... and there is no way this (the stone work) has not been considered of the utmost importance at the time.
@MediaFaust
@MediaFaust 3 жыл бұрын
PS is actually more like 30 years, haha. That's what it's like being old. Give or take a decade doesn't seem like a big thing.
@Kergrist
@Kergrist 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome joviality with wonderful facts. Fab!👍
@ThePrehistoryGuys
@ThePrehistoryGuys 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😃
@vondahartsock-oneil3343
@vondahartsock-oneil3343 3 жыл бұрын
I remembered what I was going to say about the title topic. Maybe they didn't decorate anything, as it being their "style", their way of knowing this was made by our people. Set themselves apart from all the others? Just thinking out loud.
@BlueBaron3339
@BlueBaron3339 3 жыл бұрын
I can only hope, Michael, that the Standing With Stones II project will go a mite smoother than the Shackleton expedition. But, hey, nobody died! 😂 🤣
@itarry4
@itarry4 3 жыл бұрын
The halberd as the first weapon with reach has always made sense to me. It's effectively a scythe with a dagger attached that gives you reach. It's mostly why it was the weapon the English serfs made when they revolted so if you harvest wheat or other cereal crops then it makes a lot of sense that you'd make such a weapon when you require greater reach. You have to love the rubbish of Prehistory. Without their rubbish we'd have so much less than we do
@bozo5632
@bozo5632 3 жыл бұрын
Spears would probably be even earlier. The English (not only-) peasant weapon was a "bill." Medieval weapon nerds distinguish between halberds, pollaxes, glaives and probably 50+ other types based on size, shape, construction etc etc.
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 3 жыл бұрын
These halberds are like broad spears, not sure if the name is a misnomer but they are not like later halberds with a distinct spear and axe parts, it's an interpretative name. Image-search "alabarda El Argar" and you see what I'm talking about.
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 3 жыл бұрын
@@bozo5632 - Metal spears, "halberds", swords, even decent metal axes all began with bronze and bronze in Iberia (and AFAIK Western Europe) began with El Argar.
@alexandrasmith4393
@alexandrasmith4393 2 жыл бұрын
Lots of hilltop forts around us in Britain. I grew up in the Cotswolds.
@RVVDont
@RVVDont 2 жыл бұрын
My bet would be to look at cultures after el agar and look to their mythology to see reference of a revolution or something of overcoming.
@regular-joe
@regular-joe 3 жыл бұрын
The audio is just a touch too low for comfortable listening.
@northcoastnoise
@northcoastnoise 3 жыл бұрын
Watching on Patreon I noticed immediately that the audio's volume was lower and had more "bottom end" (boomy bass) than the usual PHG productions. It wasn't a problem for me, but worth mentioning considering the variety of devices people tune-in with.
@ilari90
@ilari90 3 жыл бұрын
About the cheese thing, it has been found on many cows stomachs, and it might have been invented when they butchered calves that had drank the milk. Mongols had a similar kind of yak milk cheese product that they carried with them.
@bradscanlon6592
@bradscanlon6592 3 жыл бұрын
The whole "culinary mistake" thing doesn't really resonate. Why would they bury the pot instead of just throwing away the contents and giving it a once over with a prehistoric brillo-pad?
@MrPurepecha87
@MrPurepecha87 3 жыл бұрын
I’m looking into my last name and so far it’s going great thank you for this new info
@davidpotter6873
@davidpotter6873 3 жыл бұрын
SHOTM and burnt cheese. It certainly was worth the wait lol Thanks again guys
@ChefStache
@ChefStache 3 жыл бұрын
University of Tulsa? I went there! Its nice to see my alma mater doing good archaeology work!
@archeanna1425
@archeanna1425 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding your whimsey section : a few moments looking at YT videos on how to make cheese will show that rennet - from bovine stomachs - is a preferred addition to milk which has to be heated in order to make cheese. It's hard enough to make cheese at home with thermometers and stainless steel pots and cheese cloth that we don't have to weave ourselves. To make cheese over an open fire, in a clay pot, while keeping the two-year-old from drowning, seems to be grounds for being given a medal. And this was Danish research, you say? Don't they have cheese in Denmark ?
@zeideerskine3462
@zeideerskine3462 2 жыл бұрын
Since silver is a usual byproduct of copper and zinc extraction on bronze is made from copper and zinc, having a silver rich culture in the bronze age makes perfect sense to me.
@elizabethmcglothlin5406
@elizabethmcglothlin5406 2 жыл бұрын
I lived in a village called Alpena, not far from there. No notion. As for El Algar, perhaps the textiles were fancy and the adornments were plain?
@elliottprats1910
@elliottprats1910 2 жыл бұрын
If I understood you correctly, the El Argar culture’s main export was silver mining. What were they receiving in return for the silver trade, a totalitarian state TAKES a lot of work so the benefits have to be VERY significant. So what was worth all that trouble?!?
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 3 жыл бұрын
Please, look up (when you feel like) the almost never discussed *other ancient Iberian civilization* in the region of Lisbon. Known to prehistorians as Vila Nova de São Pedro culture (VNSP for short) and with possible capital in the so-called Castro do Zambujal (near Torres Vedras), it is not only one of the oldest civilizations of Europe but also one of the longest lived. It arose simultaneously to Los Millares (precursor of El Argar) and fell a couple of centuries after El Argar, unsure about the most up-to-date chronology but in my mind it's something like 2600-1100 BCE (El Argar is only 1800-1300 BCE AFAIK).
@ThePrehistoryGuys
@ThePrehistoryGuys 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Luiz, Rupert here. Thanks for the time you spent on these comments. It's fascinating stuff and you have given us a lot to look into.
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThePrehistoryGuys - You're welcome. If you have any questions, feel free to ask: I may be able to provide some links for some of what I say (or in other cases it's knowledge I have from books or just generally integrated from various sources). Keep up the good work!
@RalphEllis
@RalphEllis 3 жыл бұрын
It is quite a large basket. It looks commercial rather than domestic - for the collection of crops. R
@petersmith-iz6im
@petersmith-iz6im Ай бұрын
So what did they do , just toss the basket, since it was empty ?
@evanhadkins5532
@evanhadkins5532 3 жыл бұрын
Largest room for teaching or ceremonies? (would likely go together).
@aisl6190
@aisl6190 2 жыл бұрын
A Scandinavian/Japanese type culture, aesthetes with a strong sense of community, social order ...maybe a rich inner life but working for the export market? Dunno, just speculating....
@virginiaallisonpeck2517
@virginiaallisonpeck2517 3 жыл бұрын
I think maybe animals are harvested... I do so enjoy you all🥰
@lluc2864
@lluc2864 2 жыл бұрын
They had one of the biggest gold treasure in Europe. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_of_Villena
@nara808
@nara808 3 жыл бұрын
I believe sanxingdui has connection with the mayans and related groups.
@evanhadkins5532
@evanhadkins5532 3 жыл бұрын
From a hilltop you could watch people (potential thieves?) coming.
@susanhepburn6040
@susanhepburn6040 3 жыл бұрын
Your later discussions (internal militia, crowd control weapons, huge infant mortality and lack of art) make me wonder if the silver workers were forced labour...
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 3 жыл бұрын
On the question of the collapse of El Argar, there is one hint of invasion: occasional sites of Urnfields culture burial sites. Not many but enough to suggest raids from the region the newly arrived Celts (or Celto-Italics) established themselves at: Catalonia and Languedoc. Granted that there are other possibilities but I would not discard this one, after all Indoeuropean invasions typically sought looting first of all and we can see a similar patter in the Balcans (Karanovo-Varna culture(s)) in an older chronology. They could have other foes as well: the very clear connection with Mycenaean Greece evokes the legends of Hercules in the far west, one of which is very bellicose (vs Geryones), it's also perfectly possible that they had a rivalry with the contemporary "Portuguese" (proto-Tartessian?) civilization of VNSP, I certainly get that feeling from the archaeology but it's not fully clear. What is clear is that El Argar (and related groups) was a classist civilization, this is apparent in sites like the motilla of El Azuer (which is the one you showed in the picture possibly), where nutrition has been studied showing three apparent classes living in the castle, which I interpret as the lord's family, a middle group of probably soldiers and then their families, and the malnourished masses of servants. This also shows some sexism especially among young girls, who died too often among the lower class. So I guess that the notion of a "revolution" has some merit but I'm not fully convinced anyhow.
@redl1ner170
@redl1ner170 4 ай бұрын
What do you mean with relating their contemporary "portuguese" with proto-tartesians??
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 4 ай бұрын
@@redl1ner170 What do I mean? That the region of SW Iberia may have been of Tartessian language and ethnicity already in those days, as evidence by most of the Tartessian written corpus being in South Portugal (but of Iron Age, while VNSP was Copper and Bronze Age) and the Tartessian-related ethnonyms also in that arch: Turdetanian, Turduli, etc. Judging on the texts and toponimy (oba vs ili, etc.) Tartessian and Iberian (or East Iberian) should be different languages. We don't know enough however, so all is open to some interpretation.
@c.bsmith5086
@c.bsmith5086 3 жыл бұрын
So many novels for everybody to write
@richardcook5919
@richardcook5919 Жыл бұрын
There's a Spanish author already publishing novels set in El Argar kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGGlinmAd8iobZo
@chrisdavis7617
@chrisdavis7617 3 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention the DNA relation of the burial and the child.
@yosoyyohoy
@yosoyyohoy 4 ай бұрын
This traps, these lines of stones, these ways of guiding the way for the animals, to execute them, is the same method used in humans by humans. Its very subtle, but it works wonders, we are all running in that hamsters wheel. And we are as free as ever!!
@gaylecheung3087
@gaylecheung3087 3 жыл бұрын
Quickly and thought it was starship enterprise
@bonitareardon5987
@bonitareardon5987 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Guys! Its Mish i gan, not Mitch i gan.
@Clover12346
@Clover12346 8 ай бұрын
Rural peoples still do both
@Vilnoori
@Vilnoori 3 жыл бұрын
MISHI-gen is the pronunciation. Never mind, I'm sure I'd butcher all those Welsh place names.
@c.caecilius8791
@c.caecilius8791 3 жыл бұрын
'Mih-shah-gan' :-)
@SP_33333
@SP_33333 3 жыл бұрын
😊👍
@bozo5632
@bozo5632 3 жыл бұрын
MISH-ig-in. Just like Rupert said it but with a "sh."
@hillside21
@hillside21 Жыл бұрын
World's oldest basket found, but the looters got there first.
@CitizenSmith50
@CitizenSmith50 3 жыл бұрын
Don't hear much of Archaeology in Australia! Is this because the 65000 years of Neolithic culture extends almost to the present day, and one cannot tell a 100 year old artefact from a 1000 year old one ? : )
@ThePrehistoryGuys
@ThePrehistoryGuys 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Ashley, that's a really interesting question. One of the main reasons has to be that in more recent social history throughout Australasia, the societies that developed in comparative isolation, left only a tiny number of earthworks and megaliths in the landscape for us to find. You're absolutely right that without a full and informative assemblage found in context, a stone artefact is utterly anonymous. There is still a lot of wonderful archaeology done in Australia, it just doesn't tend to have the glamour or media attraction of brash and showy megaliths:) If you haven't already, check out the Australian Archaeological Association - australianarchaeologicalassociation.com.au All best, Rupert
@salmynka1885
@salmynka1885 2 жыл бұрын
its Foo Goo
@celerywhelan2988
@celerywhelan2988 Жыл бұрын
You guys are fantastic! One thing, though, PUHLEEZE, leave the images on for longer than a single, solitary second. Not that your faces aren’t interesting…
@alexandrasmith4393
@alexandrasmith4393 2 жыл бұрын
If there's a strong internal control, what about agriculture? If they can't feed enough people, babies are the 'easiest' to get rid of. There's instances across europe of child sacrifice, even the firstborn sacrifices to Molech. Horrible.
@vondahartsock-oneil3343
@vondahartsock-oneil3343 3 жыл бұрын
At the Southern tip of South America is a small village of Inca descendents I believe. They still live the way they did when the Conquistadors arrived, sort of. I mean they are "Tribal" rarely sport modern clothing. The women do just about everything while the men sit around and do little to nothing.Shoot the breeze I guess. The women were at waters edge, bare breasted, gathering/foraging for small fish and shrimp, etc...they would talk a laugh and giggle about the men, lazy ole men, do nothing but sit and watch us do all the work. When the men were asked about this, they said something like "the men are in charge of the society now, but in olden times, we were a maternaly ran society. The women were in charge, and ran everything. We men did all the work. Now it's our turn, but don't tell the women, they must never know they used to be in charge. Then the men all laughed. I paraphrased that, but you get the point. It was hilarious. I wish I could give you my source for that, but it was just something I watched. I only watch educational type things, documentaries etc...so it was prob. some documentary. I recall a follow up of the last surviving members. Two sisters. They had on modern clothing for the follow up interview. Both have passed away since that doc. was made. So IDK if the old men were joking. We know the Incas had both male and female "rulers". I keep saying Inca's, but I do believe that was their ethnicity. As I said, when the conquistadors arrived, a small band went south. They were the remnants of that group. Also, before I forget, many youtubers do not know this, google has taken away the ability to translate videos and comments in any other language than English. This is an outrage. A form of taking away freedom of speech. I watch a lot of foreign videos, in their native language. IN FACT, I watch a POLISH ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE, it's all in Polish and I used to be able to set captions to english and right click on comments in any language and translate it to English. I'm so aggravated, by this. I studied WWll, European Theater of War. I really got to know how to pronounce many things in Polish. It's a language with too many consonants lol, but HANG IN THERE GUYS, POLISH is difficult and you did a pretty good job pronouncing whatever that was, location and or someones name. I scour the Earth and Europe with Google Earth. I don't know how the person found that in Southern Poland. WWll really left the landscape scarred for life. Yay for University of Tulsa. It's a private college. Had no idea they had an Archaeology Dept. I thought about applying to there, but they didn't really have the classes I needed. I live in basically Tulsa, Ok. Overall..again, another brilliant podcast/news. Thank you so much. I had something to say about the title topic, but I wrote my comment as the video progressed, and have now forgotten it. Prob. a good thing since I seem to be gabby. I can always return, if I think of it. OH I KNOW another thing I had to say tho....you guys mentioned megalithic building finds are rare. I had a reason for that, but can't elaborate because it's Biblical in nature. There's a book, declared by the US to be a world cultural and heritage book. It's free to read online in PDF, I forget the authors name but the title is something like "The Cities of Bashan", Bashan is the area known today as Syria, Jordan and into Turkey. Bashan was a "Giant"/Nephilim. He ruled from Baalbek. That's about as far as I can prob. go with that here. Other than, each area with a megalithic building, has stories of Giants. A whole other topic there. OR a rabbit hole lol. Good night.
@ThePrehistoryGuys
@ThePrehistoryGuys 3 жыл бұрын
Always great to hear from you Vonda and glad you enjoyed the podcast!
@northerncaptain855
@northerncaptain855 9 ай бұрын
Fascinating but it does seem like some serious intellectual stretching to reach many of these tentative conclusions.
@lazzymclandrover4447
@lazzymclandrover4447 3 жыл бұрын
POTTER!!! - lol
@amberann1229
@amberann1229 3 жыл бұрын
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@Arthagnou
@Arthagnou 2 жыл бұрын
First sophisticated state after the Younger Dryas Event. huh, it wouldn't surprise me if this culture ends up having a connection to the Basque culture
@grandmasgaming6788
@grandmasgaming6788 2 жыл бұрын
As they say, there is nothing new under the sun. The El Agar culture as described and surmised sounds remarkably like modern day North Korea or China. Totalitarian, population control, no personal expression allowed outside the party line, even down to what haircut you can have in North Korea. What you're describing as the implications of what the discoveries mean sound very like the culture of those two countries. I can believe that they same style of culture existed then.
@chrisosh9574
@chrisosh9574 3 жыл бұрын
Castellet de Bernabe (about 500m from my kitchen) was 1000 years later but looks very similar in style as do a few of the other sites I have seen in Spain (Valencia region). I suspect the geology and landscapes in Spain probably has a lot to do with that. Castellet de Bernabe was also 'managed' by a woman and had a far larger client population in the surrounding countryside, it also met it's end with a layer of ash. See also es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puntal_dels_Llops Regarding women's/female status, it seems a possibility that in similar vein to the sikhs , , Guru Nanak, reportedly said in 1499 that "[it] is a woman who keeps the race going" and that we should not "consider women cursed and condemned, [when] from women are born leaders and kings ."
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