Reacting to Fudd Range Comments

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@TYMGhosT 10 ай бұрын

You won’t see any lower quality of shooting than at a PD range. The reason they want them private is so the masses can’t see how terrible they are with firearms.

@Assclapper69_ 10 ай бұрын

I think the reason why those ranges are private is because they want to have the range available for the officers at all times since they carry a gun for a living. You're 100% right about the first part though. Cops fucking suck at shooting and just about any physical skill you can think of. They have zero excuse to not be a decent shooter when they have access to free private ranges.

@carbonking53 10 ай бұрын

Amen! I've seen more ND's, poor muzzle awareness, and crap accuracy at a department ranges than anywhere else.

@charlesreeves3426 10 ай бұрын

This statement is the definition of "hitting the nail on the head".

@carlosdaniels9515 9 ай бұрын

I joined a local range 2yrs ago. Privately owned by a local resident. The RO's are great. They allow rapid fire and holster draw, as long as you're safe and in control of it. One thing I realized early on was during Wednesday night ( LEO'S discount night), they are some of the worst groups of gun handlers and shooters I have ever witnessed. Thursday night is ladies night. Friday is couples night. I literally just avoid going on Wednesday nights. The range also sponsors our local 4-H shooting club. When those kids are in there for practice, it's like they're a group of highly trained professionals vs. our local police department. Well technically they are, wish I could say the same for the majority of our officers ( not all but majority ). And they host a monthly USPSA match the last week of every month.

@Manoffire959 7 ай бұрын

I used to maintenance at a police training and investigation facility, and dear lord those cops couldn't shoot for their life. And the amount of people they had to hold back from moving on in training for MONTHS at a time just because they couldn't shoot at all was insane.

@NESig 9 ай бұрын

Had a fudd will drift by a pistol bay at my home range one day and make some clever remark along the lines of "Are you boys playing cops and robbers again?" Naturally it was the same individual who put one through the roof of the covered firing line with an ancient rusty crusty Remington rolling block 22 rifle. :)

@williamsweet7511 10 ай бұрын

I always found it funny that during my CCW class they would tell us to practice "different" situations and shooting positions etc. My hand would go straight up and I would ask where do I do that? I live within an hour of 10 ranges and NONE of them allow holsters or positional shooting. Recently I had to take a holster/USPSA class and this one range has a separate range just for USPSA practice which does allow holster and movement etc... Now they leave me alone to practice and I started shooting matches. I've done two matches now and can't wait till my next one. Thanks for your content. I am in California.

@Windowlick_ 10 ай бұрын

I live in the DFW area, and oh boy our situation is absolutely horrible. Every single range within a 2 hour drive, whether it's indoor or outdoor, is extremely fuddy. One in particular, Elm Fork, went viral on FirepowerUnited's instagram because of how stupid the rules are. On the 100yd rifle range, bench shooting only, No FMJ, no loading more than 10 rounds, no red dots, no SBRs or AR pistols. The nearest range that's any good is all the way in Waxahacie, which is halfway to Waco. And of course being Texas there is zero public land to go shoot on. This is probably the worst place to live if you want to shoot in the entire country outside of CA/NY.

@TYMGhosT 10 ай бұрын

East Texas pistol and rifle club If your that desperate. It’s probably 2 hours or less from dfw. Great for training.

@danieljungshoots 10 ай бұрын

I live in the DFW area also (Frisco, TX) and I would never go to Elm Fork. The best indoor range in the DFW area would be Rifle Gear, they take safety very seriously. The worst indoor range would be Frisco Gun Club. This range is the worst. No RO, people would be breaking all kinds of safety violation. But the Outdoor range I go to which is a private range is NTSA "North Texas Shooting Association", have a 200 yard rifle bay, one 50 yard bay, and 3 tactical bays. Best thing it's only a 30 minute drive from me. I go to ETTS once a month for the CTASA USPSA matches.

@rboyes 10 ай бұрын

TDSA in Ferris allows for practical shooting training. I help out with running a monthly 3 gun match there, and the range rules let you train for every skill you’d need in 3 gun. Also check out Mission 160. They only allow pistol, however.

@GreatKingBenis 10 ай бұрын

Yep its complete dog ass here, at least inside city limits. I had a membership at the Dallas Pistol club but only went a few times because they were constantly breathing down your neck about safety. I get that everyone needs to be safe, especially inside city limits, but there was absolutely no trust, and they were expecting you to be the reason they get shut down. They also wouldn't allow appendix carry so I couldn't practice. All the land is developed here so if you want a good range you have to drive outside the metroplex which means an hour minimum, but I've got used to it. We at least have some options here, and if you look hard enough you'll find something. Big Boar tactical is where I went a few times, and while it is small, the owner there was great and let me do my thing. Its about 45 mins from Frisco.

@LiveEazy 10 ай бұрын

I live in CA and the situation here is waaaaaay better than what you’re describing. I can shoot a high competition level match at multiple shooting ranges every single weekend of the year and many days of the week. There is BLM land all around me within an hour drive and my local gun club 30 min away is a very large outdoor range with 24/7 access 365 days a year for $20 a month. I can train absolutely any skill imaginable with a gun at my range and there is no one there to get in my way. Well maintained bays, super friendly range staff and very very pro 2A. Most folks who visit from out of town are surprised that it’s better than their own state because they think CA is all liberal, but the 2A community is huge and strong out here believe it or not

@alecstonebraker3049 10 ай бұрын

There are 3 outdoor ranges within an hour of where I live and about a year ago I took some of my friends shooting for the first time at a fudd one. This particular one only has about 20 pistol and 15 rifle bays to shoot at so it is full of fudds on the weekend sighting in and stealing brass. One of my friends is a smaller lady who was having trouble shouldering a rifle so she would rest the magazine on the counter while firing. The RO came over and told her she could not rest the gun on the magazine because he saw someone do it before and the gun blew up. After I disagreed with him he claimed to be a gunsmith. Packed up and haven't been back since. He is likely to be spreading fudd lore to this very day.

@OWSNubbles 10 ай бұрын

I had an indoor range I liked for a few years that I was a member of. It was nice enough, but mainly they allowed rapid fire and drawing from the holster. A year or two ago they changed to no longer allow drawing. I think I went maybe once after that change before cancelling my membership.

@mbw365 10 ай бұрын

From the standpoint of a range, "it was great until it wasn't" is a common theme. It only takes 1 idiot perforating something they shouldn't to end up with a litany of dumb rules. The problem is that their insurers frown on that kind of thing. You're not having any kind of range without some CYA from liability insurance. Put yourself in that situation...if you have your own private range, would you let just anyone shoot there? It sucks, but it's hardly surprising.

@PandemicGameplay 10 ай бұрын

then maybe they shouldn't own a range if they can't accept the potential risks?

@arbyssauce 7 ай бұрын

I once asked at the Abilene gun club if I could train with night vision after hours. Instead of saying no they just threatened to trespass me.

@rmenard1986 10 ай бұрын

I trained on the side of boys in blue and to my surprise they couldn't hit a target at 5 yards to pass certification. I watched rounds hit the ground in front of the target, Into the ceiling and everything got hit but the target their instructor was telling them to hit.

@heeebeeegeeebeee 10 ай бұрын

Moving from NC to AZ, my world changed. $100 yearly range memberships where I can shoot all I want on the practical bays after getting a few match directors to sign off after watching you shoot some matches. Before I had access to the bays, I'd go to the desert and shoot. Problem with the desert is you're surrounded by miles of idiots mag dumping AR-10 pistols. Much more sketchy than the practical bays at a real gun club.

@evanf7334 9 ай бұрын

Holy shit I was just having this argument online about the indoor range FT3 in socal. I got scolded for “rapid firing” despite shooting accurately. Everyone online began using the “they have rules for a reason” argument. That’s the last time I go there lol.

@stevenkennedy4130 10 ай бұрын

I'm lucky enough to have a friend with a back 40. He let me set up a pretty nice range there. Now it's used by our local PD for qualifications. thanks for the share!!

@tomwilson1006 10 ай бұрын

You know what’s crazy? It’s either the Ohio Tactical Officer’s range, or the Norwalk, Ohio PD range, but behind the not very tall berm, is the interstate! I watched a video on KZbin where while the people were shooting, you could literally see the tops of big rig trailers driving by probably within 50 yards past the berm.

@MrKreationsHD 10 ай бұрын

Hey Ben! Do you have a list of good ranges where one could actually train in Western WI?

@JoMamasHouse 10 ай бұрын

In my area I have indoor ranges, but I have to pay for a training on holster draw, yet they host matches… But other club ranges require NRA membership, which I’m not exactly a fan of either. Family has property but it’s an hour drive. Which is not far at all, just with a young family, everyone wants to go to the farm. It is what it is, I guess.

@rafap1719 9 ай бұрын

It is very interesting to hear that you have more restrictions in US shooting ranges then we do have in Poland. For example such rules like "no rapid fire" ect does not exist in Polish ranges. In most cases(except some very small number of ranges) you can do almost whatever you like as long as you follow basic safety rules and you place your targets in correct manner. The other thing is that, in Poland you need to have firearm licence to shoot on your own, otherwise you need to shoot under instructors or RO supervision. So could be that we just don't have that many unexperienced shooters using ranges on their own, so no need for any harsh rules and regulations. Shooting anywhere else then licenced shooting range is prohibited, so in most cases a problem for IPSC shooters is to have any shooting range near by, as there aren't many ranges available - and probably more ranges are closed due to nois complains then new shooting ranges being opened...

@WishonPGA 10 ай бұрын

Central Coast of California. Great range in San Luis Obispo but no training at the public range, but competitions are abundant. I'm lucky to have a friend who has 10 acres and a pistol depth shooting range (bay). I can go there as often as I choose and do anything I want. In CA that's extremely rare unless you know a land owner who helps out.

@Davidmoore-xy6wu 10 ай бұрын

Northern indiana has been fairly consistent and good I’m a member of a conservation club and for my local gun store that has an indoor lanes I’m a member too like you I rarely go to shoot but it gets me other little goodies like discounts and free ffl transfers so I do still keep it for the winter months I wish they’d do more classes at reasonable times as that’s the only time to get full through carry training at the in door

@haydnbrown444 10 ай бұрын

Half the public ranges near me don’t allow reloads - even worse than not being able to draw. I don’t train a lot or anywhere as much I should, but I at least need to be able to chrono my ammo which is impossible to do at most places.

@carlb86 10 ай бұрын

Reloads in a federal box aren't reloads. 😉

@gregshuttleworth4465 9 ай бұрын

Used to live in Pennsylvania and all FUDD ranges nearest one was over an hour away that wasn’t a FUDD range. Now in Wyoming….not many FuUDDS here not going back to Pennsylvania

@willa1975 10 ай бұрын

One thing that is so frustrating about living under the anti-gun regime in Washington is the abundance of places to shoot. Despite living in the middle of Seattle, I have a range 40 minutes from my house where I can basically do whatever I want as long as the gun stays pointed in a safe direction and I get all of my rounds on paper, and I can drive another 30-45 minutes and have access to a pit or BLM land. We have great resources out here for people to get into shooting, and it’s sad that all of these new laws are going to dissuade new people from taking part.

@John1911 10 ай бұрын

We ultimately built our own range facility because of issues with the premier l, local private club.

@EveryDayShooter1031 10 ай бұрын

All the ranges near me are super fuddish smh the indoor range i frequent only to zero dots will not allow draw from holster or practicing reloads. The outdoor shooting complex ( ran by local PD) at first had steel silhouette's set up at different distances and a dueling tree that you could shoot at will so i could practice transitions at the least (no holster work or reloads either) now they have removed the dueling tree and set up all the silhouettes at the same distance only allowing you to shoot the target directly in front of you🤦🏻‍♂️ There is a rifle and pistol club that has pistol bays setup for uspsa style training that im trying to get a membership to currently but you have to jump through hoops in order to join (have to be NRA member, fill out application, have 2 sponsors to vouch for you, attend meeting with said sponsors where they must vouch for you in person, and pay the yearly fee) which is a bit drastic. They are also super fuddish as they wont allow steel targets unless they are built into a wooden structure that meets there standards🤣

@Adam-wl3vt 10 ай бұрын

The only difference I've noticed between Los Angeles and Central VA is that the indoor ranges in VA allow rapid fire. Otherwise, it's all indoor ranges with people that can't hit a bullseye at 7yds or Fudd country clubs with years-long wait lists. At least in CA, there were long-range outdoor ranges in the mountains or you could drive to BLM land.

@Skilladen 10 ай бұрын

My question as a business owner is Is there a demand in this how much are people willing to pay to go to a range to be left alone to train would you pay hourly cause nobody wants more memberships

@lauratatum9581 10 ай бұрын

Ben, I want to apologize for your experience at CTA. You were there working with Will, who is no longer with California Tactical Academy. We would love to host another class and make it a better experience, let us know! It is definitely different and we are trying to make training more affordable for everyone.

@joshuabaker5712 10 ай бұрын

I know of an IPSC/USPSA club who doesnt allow IWB apendix holsters for practice or matches. Thats about as fudd as it gets. Other then that the i door rsnges are a mix of fudd and tacticool. Most the private clubs are decent but expensive.

@epickett63 10 ай бұрын

A ban on appendix carry isn't necessarily due to the USPSA group itself. Having become acquainted with several Match Directors in my area, such a rule is usually down to the property's insurance company. If the insurer says no, the club itself doesn't really have a choice.

@igotsome4526 10 ай бұрын

I've had bad experiences with NRA ranges only. All the red shirt clowns are more harm than they are good. They give you the old "can't fire more than one round every two seconds" then you look over and they're showing someone else how to use it and holding the gun like shit. All in the name of safety. I avoid anything NRA now.

@LRRPFco52 10 ай бұрын

Utah has the best range complex in the US, hands down. No fudd nonsense, and more ranges than you can shoot in a week. It's outside of Price. In the Salt Lake Valley, there's a DNR-run range called Lee Kay which is Fudd central. They've had this younger guy who claims to be a Vietnam vet that likes to get all up in your stuff, telling stories about being a tunnel rat and spec ops. Lee Kay is a good place to confirm zero on rifles, maybe chrono some loads in the 75yd bay. Most of the ROs are friendly and hands-off, but then they also have to deal with a lot of new shooters who don't have any training in firearms safety. Think young guy and his girlfriend with big breasts wearing a wife beater, hot brass ejecting right into her cleavage, muzzle awareness out the window flagging everyone with a hot 1911 and a light trigger. Have seen it multiple times. The hours there are limited, and the ROs are volunteers, so they want to get out of there right at closing.

@kirkkeller 10 ай бұрын

I trained on two PD ranges for years and I was allowed to do whatever the police did as I was always training with them. Private ranges are far more restricted, but likely need to be due to liability issues and insurance costs.

@vanniek71 10 ай бұрын

Pro: I have a range in my woods Con: It’s in WI 😢

@AlexS-zr2nb 10 ай бұрын

So it's a one season range lmao

@vanniek71 10 ай бұрын

@@AlexS-zr2nb lol about a 3 monther. I’m going to add a 40’ Connex and put sliding or flip up doors in it so I can shoot from heated inside in the winter, then close it to unthaw after shooting. At least that’s the plan, wife may veto, and it’s way harder to hide a new Connex than a new pistol 🤣

@shannonmarsden2086 10 ай бұрын

Newfoundland Canada here. Particular st johns 30/40 mins away we have a range with two pistol bays one 50 M and one 25 M and one 50/100/200 M multi gun bays. We have FUDDS and FUDD board members but mostly we have reasonable Pepole running it. We can draw from holster shoot and move rapid fire whatever as long as you’re safe. We can’t shoot side been which sucks but not to bad. Get rid of the Trudeau liberals and will have a wicked spot. Only 100$ a year

@rangervapes571 9 ай бұрын

Build your own range, no FUD

@nickcurrier8074 10 ай бұрын

the Utah comment is 100% talking about Lee Kay Public shooting range, given that its pretty much the only major public shooting range idk why he would try to hide the range name.. The ranges reputation is extremely well know, especially considering many of the RO's even look like elmer fudd. Honestly everyone just goes out to blm land as thats just what you do.

@robertwatson818 4 ай бұрын

What is FUUD?

@hostilegoat 10 ай бұрын

My gun club increased their costs and turned all of their bays into maximum 10 yards and they bitch at people who so much as have a rifle in the bay with steel targets, regardless of whether not they're shooting the steel.

@usmc4eternitey 10 ай бұрын

From CA and got stationed on Oahu. 100% the worst place to train at. In SoCal I had an indoor range that I paid 20 bucks to shoot at and used only for marksmanship . Got to shoot my own ammo( Speer Lawman) and targets there. Here on Oahu you have to shoot their over priced ammo . In Socal I also would rent a shooting bay at Mike Raagages? In Corona. Love that place. M-F its empty and you can set up your own targets and everything. If you wanted to shoot long range hell you have BLM land. Here in Oahu you have kokohead and its trash compared to most outdoor ranges. I bought all the guns that I wanted here tho( CA has that safety roster) . As much as I dispose Cali gun laws i gotta admit. I miss the shooting out there

@PubgPuzzlePiece 10 ай бұрын

There used to be a good community surrounding USPSA over on the east side of the island. Go ask the owner of Danger Close Tactical about matches/good training. We were stationed on Oahu together too. 🤘🏻

@darrinwarner4046 10 ай бұрын

Dude you look like you whould be living on a boat in the Caribbean. Chnage your yt page to captain ron lol

@robertwatson818 4 ай бұрын

My experience is that the old geeezers come up with the stupidest "rules"

@Gontzlol 10 ай бұрын

people with any power over a range mostly abuse it or make it go to there head from my experiance. /sweden.

@2zeros 10 ай бұрын

For every "FUDD" range there are 30 guys who think they are the next Christian Sailer. I dont have a problem with verification of ones safety and skills when it comes to moving and shooting. A range with a firing line and "lanes" is not the place to train for USPSA. Find a range with action bays. There is a place for every shooter. Liability is just the world we live in these days, thanks to irresponsible people and lawyers.

@CompShooter54 10 ай бұрын

Off topic, but WFT is going on with the membership fees? For the last 5 years I paid $25 because I didn't want the monthly magazine. This year it jumped to $55? More than 100% in one jump? Are they friggin serious??? I only shoot Steel Challenge now and I get ZERO for my $55. I have already made GM and I don't really care about having my scores submitted to USPSA anymore, I only care about where Practiscore says I finished. Fuck them, I ain't paying to make those thieves even richer.