Elden Ring Bosses Ranked Worst to Best (With Shadow of the Erdtree) - [#30-11]

[@Nightwalk2]

Check out the top 10 here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHnRY4xrjs2qkKs

[@marcblack960]

Hippo over putrescent knight is a crime

[@Nightwalk2]

You don't like Mr. Hippo?

[@ELDniel-DW5pg]

@@Nightwalk2 sorry for the harshness but mr hippo can go jump in the lake of rot. godskin duo's noble has a bad hitbox but at least there are pillars to block it's roll not with hippo

[@bombthing]

Putrescent Knight that low in general is a crime, I love his moveset and jumoing his blue fire. Absolutely bonkers that someone could dislike such a fantastic boss

[@HMCarsSOA]

Agreed, this might be a little bit of a long comment to add to the discussion, the Hippo is one of the worst fights in the game in my opinion and reminds me of the worst aspects of DS2's beast bosses (no hate, i still like DS2) and jank mixed with Elden Ring's aggression. It's not just a reminder of fromsoft's inability to consistently make amazing beast bosses like Midir and Ludwig (Placidusax is still great and i haven't faced Bayle yet), it's them showing us they still have the capability of making something truly horrendous and as terrible as Royal Rat Authority and Centipede Demon. The Putrescent Knight on the other hand is a great fight in my opinion, all of its moves feel intuitive to dodge and jump, it's artistically brilliant with its haunting and subtly intense track, it's by no means on the level of something like Messmer, but i'd take it over the janky grabbing Hippo anyday! One last time, f*ck the hippo and its janky grab, one of the worst bosses i've ever faced.

[@rayquaza1245]

@@Nightwalk2Mr. Hippo is great but Putrescent Knight goes too hard

[@malikhittam1440]

My top 10: 10. Bayle 9. Vile Bayle 8. Terror Incarnate 7. Bayle the Dread 6. FOUL DRAGON 5. Igon's Prey 4. Crippled lizard 3. Placidusax's Nemesis 2. Midir 2.0 1. The most awesome boss in all of soulsborne

[@everettJM]

Based af CURSE YOU BAYYYYLLLEEEE!!! BEHOLD, A TRUE DRAKE WARRIOR AND I, IGON!!! YOUR FEARS MADE FLESH! SOLID OF SCALE YOU MIGHT BE FOUL DRAGON, BUT I WILL RIDDLE WITH HOLES YOUR ROTTEN HIDE! WITH A HAIL OF HARPOONS!!!! WITH EVERY LAST DROP OF MY BEINNNNGGGGGG!!!

[@Based1889]

The build up-10/10 The gameplay-10/10 Summons- igon/10 Presentation-10/10 Boss arena-10/10 Boss design-10/10 Easily the greatest Boss fromsoft has ever made and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.

[@lilnutty6821]

Who is your number 1? I can't read between the lines sorry

[@malikhittam1440]

@@lilnutty6821 VILE BAYLE

[@percifio1626]

​@@Based1889 man i like messmer more but i can easily respect that.

[@mikhailkalinin6536]

I really dont get the disrespect for Putrescent Knight...

[@FSVR54]

he sucks

[@MexicanEmpire-tf4jv]

I agree i dont get why hes so low on every tier list

[@MexicanEmpire-tf4jv]

I think hes a tier

[@mingQWERTY]

Really underrated. He literally only has like 3 combos that are easier to dodge and have openings like after his horse combo or his double slam. The music is great, the blue james are satisfying to jump over. It's just a good boss overall and I don't get why it's so hated. Maybe if Torrent was in it it could've been better? But I've never liked using Torrent against horseback bosses because if you get knocked down it's gg

[@Gnix1996]

Only bosses I haven't fought in the DLC are the Enir Ilim bosses. Putrescent Knight is my second favorite behind Scadutree Avatar. I don't understand the hate either. He was tough but completely fair and fun.

[@spiggly_digg]

Bro why is everyone hating on putrescence knight i think it’s at least A tier and maybe even s, all of the attacks are so satisfying to dodge and the horse was never a problem to me

[@Nightwalk2]

I’m glad it never was a problem for you haha. I don’t hate it by any means. It was just ok.

[@zaynthemane]

@@spiggly_digg I really liked it. It’s so satisfying to do a jumping attack over the sweep. I do think that the fight is kinda forgettable in the grand scheme of things since it’s just a weird goofy skeleton on a horse in a game where we regularly fight literal demigods. But as a fight it’s really solid.

[@spiggly_digg]

@@Nightwalk2also just got no #14 i agree with pretty much everything you said on malenia, good video

[@mathewdyffryn8693]

Yeah he is so satisfying ...I decided to not torture myself and got myself sacred blade on milady cause I figured out that he gonna be weak against holy and having that ranged option combined with punishing those drive by attacks with good positioning and roll attacks ..just so good ..he is definitely one of my top 3 in dlc

[@issi529]

​@@Nightwalk2Great video bro but i just disagree a lot with dancing lion. He wasn't that well designed at all imo.

[@alebop8966]

I respect people's list on elden ring bosses but if the godskin duo are ever NOT near the bottom then you're wrong

[@ELDniel-DW5pg]

hippo is a bit worse for me but i can see why the duo still stands as the worse

[@goodhoonter9882]

​@@ELDniel-DW5pgworse goes to gaius

[@Al-ji4gd]

Godkin Duo are not that bad aside from the fact that they're a re-skin.

[@aayushdasgupta9754]

​@@goodhoonter9882 Only 1 attack is bad, the charge, the rest were fun to avoid and react. The charge sucks with Medium roll. I tend to block it or use light roll.

[@jajasking9652]

Valiant gargoels and crucible Knight ( i know, miniboss ) duo are soo much worse IMO But yeah, still a D tier fight

[@frewtlewps1152]

For me, Malenia has been the most replayable boss from the base game, which is why she’s in my Top 3. There’s not that many boss fights as intense as Malenia, and beating her for the first time gave me the greatest sense of euphoria I’ve ever had playing a game.

[@threemeters1425]

JUSTICE FOR PUTRESCENT KNIGHT 😩✊

[@arara7713]

Scadutree Avatar's phase 3 explosion is actually one of the best moves on this dlc imo. Its a short sized aoe explosion with lasers that shoot half a second after the aoe, so you just have to space out from the aoe and dodge the lasers a bit after. Its one of my favourite moves because it mixes two tipes of attacks together in a fun and rewarding way by making the avatar tired after using it. Hope you can appreciate it when u fight it again in the future!

[@Nightwalk2]

I’ll have to take another try soon. Thanks for the tips!

[@arara7713]

@@Nightwalk2 glad to help!

[@TFTiago]

My guess for his top 10: 1. Maliketh, the Black Blade 2. Messmer the Impaler 3. Bayle the Dread 4. Mohg, Lord of Blood 5. Morgott, Omen King 6. Rykard, Lord of Blasphemy 7. Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame 8. Elden Beast 9. Godfrey, First Elden Lord 10. Rellana, Twin Moon Knight

[@collinhalverson4681]

Man, I have so many disagreements, but I'm looking forward to part two of this list. Haha

[@firstorderblade4432]

Putrescent knight is NOT worse than the leda shit show or the hippo fight. OR FIRE GIANT????

[@debater452]

Leda and her gang is a good fight you just have to actually incage with the characters quest. Also Fire Ginny is a good boss

[@jajasking9652]

Fire giant is actually good IMO But putrescent Knight deserves to be way higher than that, better than leda fight, fire giant, godskin duo, margit, the base game dragons, regal ancestor Spirit, gaius ( i actually like this fight too, even if the charge sucks ) metyr ( least favourite of the DLC ), consort radahn and scadutree avata

[@malikhittam1440]

I'm a skumnut viewer and we do not tolerate fire giant anywhere above the F tier 😤

[@domin8tion651]

It is.

[@Eo-ms3kw]

​@@debater452Leda's fight is a good story telling element but it's by no means a good fight.

[@thegnib1914]

My favorite boss from the dlc has to be Rellana. Imo, she's the best "agility" fight in Elden Ring. She's basically what I wanted Malenia to be without the blatant bullshit. Bonus points that she's a spellblade boss. The mixture of weapon and magic attacks makes for really fun combos to dodge. Plus, I loved Loretta's aesthetics from the base game and Rellana's are even better.

[@bombthing]

For me Scadutree Avatar, PK, and Malenia are ranked too low, but Gaius and Godskin Duo are the lowest and thats enough for this to be a good ranking

[@arara7713]

every elden ring boss ranking should have godskin duo and Gideon as bottom 2 imo

[@dawsonarmstrong3627]

This may sound like heresy to you, but I found fighting Consort Radahn so visually overwhelming that I had to fight him with the music turned off so I could focus better. After the 8 hours it took me to kill him on my second playthrough, (first playthrough was easy with a greatshield) I can't even remember what his boss music sounds like. Edit: Also I believe in Scadutree Avatar supremacy

[@payaisola4917]

Malenia is my number 1 in all of fromsoft games if the perfect dodge punish, the music and the big difficult moves all hit it creates a Flow i only felt here maybe twin princes can compete with it.

[@Nightwalk2]

Glad you love it!

[@kag2576]

Bruh really looked at the DLC bosses and went 'that's not it chief. Nah but seriously, it's always fascinating seeing how people rate the bosses of Elden Ring, which are so uniquelyt designed. I especially love how we've all collectively agreed that the Godskin Duo sucks...cos, well it sucks Anyway here's my take on the list for the placements I have opinions on: Regal Ancestral Spirit-Criminally low and very much underrated. While I agree it's easy, the moveset is pretty engaging imo and the atmosphere is unparalleled, although it's impact is lessened by this being a repeat boss that takes longer Putrescent Knight-Deserves to be higher imo, the music and vibe of the fight feels like sinking into slumber and the moveset is just really well put together, combining delays and long combos in a way that keeps the fight dynamic. The continuous charging move is ridiculously fun to dodge imo Lichdragon Fortisaxx-On one hand I want to put it higher, on the other hand I can't really justify it beyond 'Holy shiz this fight is awesome, this theme is fire, I'm fighting a dragon! I think currently I'd put it above Placidusax, for reasons I'll state later. But yeah, while I don't find the fight stupidly easy his health is not high enough at all. On a side note I have never gotten hit by the giant spin move, like to me it's so unthreatening but man does it make me fele like a badass to dodge it! Fire Giant-I don't like it, it's a fight that feels long and dragged out for a boss who flails about or spams fire. I remembering dying a stupid amounts to it my first time through only to one shot it on my most recent playthrough. Feels pretty inconsistent and not an engaging mechanical experience, but the scale and atmosphere plus that 2nd phase cutscene give it some positive attributes Dancing Lion-I feel I need more time with this one, he's in a weird place being the games intended first boss because depending on so many factors he could be too hard or too easy. His moveset is certainly interesting but can have frustrating aspects and it can sometimes be hard to tell what's going on in the second phase. Spectacle-wise I adore them, the music is outstanding and I love how he's on a timer that determines his element switch which is a fun gimmick. I'd probably leave him in the middle for now Margit-I feel like I enjoy the Margit fight way more than the average person, he's just so well put together, a near insurmountable challenge for newbies (like I was) that becomes a much easier but still very much engaging challenge on repeat playthroughs when you understand his mechanics. I love how he's a teacher for how bosses will work mechanically via his response to you healing, his delays and quick swipes, it communicates this isn't Dark Souls any more, just rolling means you're gonna have a really difficult time Malenia-One of my favourite bosses, I am very much a Malenia simp. Minus the attack that should not be named, her moveset and healing mechanic forces you to be proactive and aggressive and it's expansion into the second phase is amazing. A visual and mechanic spectacle. And I gotta say I defo agree waterfowl should be something she does with some kind of condition such as health, feels so unfair she can just pull it out whenever Placidusax-Defo the boss that has fallen out of favour for me, I remember this was my favourite dragon boss in the Fromsoft catalogue for a while but during my recent playthrough I found it a lot more frustrating. I adore the spectacle here, stumbling onto this dragon king stuck out of time, lighting striking around you and his teleporting gimmick is surprising and a nice change of pace. But it also adds a problem for me, that being he rarely gives you time hit him, a lot of attacks force you out of his range and in phase two he just keeps running away, it makes the fight turn into chasing him and not fighting him. I still love this fight but he needs a period where he isn't as mobile so you can actually get some good damage in on him. Maybe I just had really bad RNG tho Consort Radahn- Oh boi this one's quite controversial, but I think this placement is about the same as mine. Not the best but far from awful. But I would place him below Malenia, because while she has an attack that feel widely ridiculous, the second phase is a lot of 'um...what just happened?!' Imo the problem isn't mechanics but clarity, if you manage to anticipate second phase attacks and dodge them it's fun but it's often difficult to tell how his attacks work, where their coming from or what hit you. It feels like a lot of stuff happens and you may or may not get hit. Like there are tells but you can't tell what they lead to in the fight blind and the execution they require is stupidly high. When players who solo bosses are struggling severely with summons and Spirit Ahses maybe tone it down just a little. But I am nit-picking, once you get into the rhythm of this fight it's a lot of fun and the story significance, spectacle and soundtrack uplift it as an unforgettable experience. but I hesitate to say I want to learn how to fight this guy solo Radahn- My hot take is I don't like this fight mechanically as much as most do. Spectacle-wise it's unmatched, taking down a demigod with fellow champions whose imposing size and gravity magic use makes it feel like a clash of the ages. But idk, I find his moveset so unintuitive, a lot of things just don't click for me and the runback feels tedious with him shooting arrows at you requiring constant focus. Plus there's how the patches nuked my boi into the ground, to the extent that if you summon, they can pretty much solo him as you run around not engaging him. It's a really unfortunate nerf.

[@unleashedbread6146]

Mark my words Dancing Lion will be remembered in time as one of the best fromsoftware bosses. They were seriously flexing their skills of animation, music, and presentation all while making the fight multi phase and super fun. People just need to get over themselves being bad at dodging it-then they will see!!

[@randomstuff2702]

Agreed I loved that boss so much

[@anonymous01201]

yup people are just scrubs

[@user-bg1ls5cd1h]

Best boss from the dlc

[@DraeD98]

Malenia is my personal number 1. I think she’s the one I have the most fun replaying.

[@ELDniel-DW5pg]

starscoruge radahn was once my favorite boss in the base game but now due to me finding more faults, i now give it to maliketh for the gameplay and music but messmer is now my favorite boss in the game and my 5th favorite in the series

[@IAm.Messmer.Brother.Of.Malenia]

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[@fishnutz5196]

Top 5 for me 5. Mohg 4.Godfrey 3. Bayle 2. Malenia 1. Messmer

[@luxinfang1851]

For me, its: 1. Messmer 2. Consort Radahn 3. Malikath 4. Bayle 5 Radagon & Elden Beast 6. Malenia 7. Godfrey 8. Rellana 9. Mohg 10. Starscourge Radahn

[@teenagesilver6512]

wow, no midra

[@jordan.d1475]

One thing I wanted to moment on regarding the Radahn vs Malenia discourse as the uncontested 2 most difficult Elden Soulsbourne bosses is that Malenia is entirely optional and doesn't impact the in game progression whereas Radahn gatekeeps the DLC ending. My main issue with Radahn is how he bastardises elden ring build diversity as certain builds against him simply do not feel viable. Also, the Holy AOE followups are super inconsistent on their hitboxes and his ability to one shot you after being charmed twice is a bit crazy.

[@jeff3221]

For me, I'd put Promised Consort Radahn at the bottom of the list. I've beaten him without summons, solo, and buddy, let me tell you, that was not by choice. The NPC summons inflate the boss's HP massively disproportionately compared to their impact. The spirit ashes I tried just melted in phase 2. So, I ended up just doing it solo and guess what? I felt nothing when I won. No rage, no joy, no relief, just, "Phew, check that off the list." I spent 5 hours fighting him and it was not worth it. I'd fight Godskin Duo over him any day. If I find Godskin Duo too hard, I can just throw a couple sleeping pots and boom, no more Duo. If I'm having trouble with Radahn I need to either respec my character, or summon someone else to win for me. You can't use Mohg's Shackle to get in extra damage. Why? What's the point in using Mohg's corpse if it has zero relevance beyond one NPC? This isn't even mentioning how amateurish the design of the fight is. The arena isn't flat, it's got gouges in it and that cocks up timings across the board. If you ever felt like you should have dodged something, check your feet, it was most likely that you or Radahn were on a slope. Idk, it just boggles the mind how the same expansion that gave us Messmer, finished with Radahn.

[@taufiqislam8935]

Agreed. One of the worst designed bosses fromsoftware ever made. His fight alone made a 10/10 dlc a 9/10 for me.

[@kingdennis2763]

My man spiting facts. Consort Radahn is my least favorite boss Fromsoft has ever made. He May not be as badly programmed as bosses like bed of chaos, lud and zalen etc, but for me they are part of the charme, I love to hate them. But Radahn is just... its just not fun anymore.

[@jeff3221]

@kingdennis2763 yeah I get what you mean. With Ancient Dragon, it's just funny how horrendously jank it is. We can all have a laugh. But Radahn doesn't have that same kinda jank. Idk, maybe in 10 years we'll look back on it more fondly.

[@dawsonarmstrong3627]

I didn't even think about trying Mohg's shackle, and I'm now very disappointed to learn that it does nothing. That feels like a super cool detail they could've rewarded players for thinking of.

[@nefarious8278]

Never have I thought more vindicated reading a comment. His moveset is also poorly designed for stance breaking

[@ryancampbell8468]

I think malenia deserves to be top 5 imo the music, the arena, the voice lines are all top tier

[@nicholasloduca6668]

TBH, using mimic on consort Radahn doesn't really make the fight easier. I've noticed the mimic has an IQ of 3 and Radahn pretty just ignores it for the most part

[@RaydenSun]

Consort Radahn's cross slash requiring you to dodge the slash and the role punish is just cruel. It requiring either very specific positioning or a talisman/ash to increase i-frames is bad for me too. The rest about him I felt was fine and good to learn.

[@Fate215]

Holy actually goated for putting Timestamps for each ranking in the video

[@joshmiller5374]

Godskin duo remains the worst designed boss fight ever. Just having them respawn takes away the point whatsoever, and a duo sharing a health bar is dumb. Should have just taken away the weakness to sleep, given them separate health bars and then have a difficult fight that’s not just utter nonsense. It’s one of those fights that just feels like they took the laziest possible route to make it hard

[@gafflord2684]

I must have heard Fortissax's theme 40 times and that drop with the string melody, then everything silences for a sec but that one swell that leads to the choir just belting out that chorus... aaaahhhh AHHHHH

[@thedarkvessel869]

Hey, what criteria is being used to choose what constitute a boss in this list? because i'm pretty sure that the top 10 would be, i no particular order: Messmer, Rellana, Midra, Maliketh, Mohg, Morgott, Godfrey, Rykard,Curse youuuuu BAAAAYYYYYYLE, Radagon & Elden Beast; which are remembrance bosses except for Bayle who has a unique mechanic. But Godskin duo, Hippo, Leda and Margit don't drop remembrances, so where are the likes of Red Wolf, Loretta and Magma Wyrms(who are all counted as "Great enemies" and have achievements)? Good video either way but i'm confused. For the purposes of simplicity i am assuming that both Mohg fights, both godfrey fights, and loretta fights are all counted as one because in each case the least powerful version is phase 1 of the later version. And that the separate godskins are not counted in a similar manner due to the existence of the duo fight. Ppd. let's not forget Sir Gideon Ofnir, the AAAALLLLL KNOWING

[@TheLowenstein]

Waterfowl actually is predictable... If you attack in a window where you shouldn't (don't do more than one heavy attack or 2 lights at a time) then she will dodge and go into it Otherwise, you can always keep your distance to run from the first flurry. Malenia teaches you to not get too greedy

[@HMCarsSOA]

Love the video, i vehemently disagree with the placement of the hippo which i'd personally place bottom two, when i faced it, i was reminded of the fact that fromsoftware in 2024 can still make updated versions of some of their worst janky beast bosses from their first 3 souls games. Please keep making more of these, it's always a fun watch!

[@Nightwalk2]

Maybe that’s what makes it somewhat endearing haha

[@HMCarsSOA]

@@Nightwalk2 Maybe we're due for a bed of chaos/dragon god type of boss for their next game, we've been deprived enough!

[@gollumstudios8643]

@@HMCarsSOAno I don't think we've been deprived long enough

[@ziggystardust1973]

Consort Radahn was a bit too wild for me in phase 2 that I wasn't enjoying the fight, so I decided to pull out a greatshield/bleed spear and the boss suddenly turned into a joke that I beat first try. In that way Malenia feels harder, I don't think she can be clowned on that easily The only boss in the dlc I would actually refight voluntarily is Midras, cause the fight was actually enjoyable. The only fights I really enjoy in base game Elden Ring are Alecto and Baleful Shadow. Felt much more like dark souls than most of the other fights

[@DERyuga]

I'm begging people- use throwing knives or Kukri's for Malenia's first phase. Or just in general for most bosses! It makes managing their aggro a lot easier. Take advantage of the boss's reactionary playstyle and you will be rewarded

[@alchemy5750]

Consort Radahn above my fav bug Astel feels wild. I mean yes, movements feel weird and clunky because you're fighting a literal alien

[@Gnix1996]

Like others have said, dont understand the hate for Putrescent Knight. But i ALSO cannot for the life of me understand the love for Messmer. His second phase just has too much crap on the screen which makes it extremely hard to follow. Hes like Malenia on steroids and acid.

[@Nightwalk2]

I don’t hate putrescent knight, he’s a decent fight.

[@anonymous01201]

I never had that problem, I think you just need to learn to read the serpent attacks, it's really nothing compared to consort phase 2.

[@batmanthelegend7138]

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS

[@anonymous01201]

since waterfowl has a long and clear telegraph and can be dodged at any distance even with medium roll, the best strategy for Malenia is actually to play extremely expressive and go to stagger town on her with heavier weapons imo. Waterfowl is still a poorly designed attack though even though I find it fun to dodge, purely due to how unintuitive it is, though at least it's not as bad as the Consort criss cross slash - that attack is one of the worst designed in the series, just as unintuitive to dodge (and unlike waterfowl, extremely difficult to get consistent at) but a lot less fun to pull off too.

[@OnyxSkiesXIX]

I’d put Malenia lower than you do. I really wish she either didn’t have heal on hit or didn’t have waterfowl. Lose one of those (or at least change her heal so she only healed when she damaged you instead of healing when you block) and she would probably be top ten.

[@thex6992]

I love that you can hear the melody of malenias theme in rominas ost for a few seconds, same with the caravan guy playing the song in the mass grave appearing in midras theme and radahns first phase is almost identical to his base game fight but more epic. I love when they do that. Even marikas theme is in the dlc

[@Jrzya]

Justice for placidusax 😔

[@Zaney_]

One area of disappointment I had with the dlc was they didn't make a good multi enemy bosses. The dlcs for souls, especially Ds3 had the best duo bosses(demon prince, sister friede). It's like they didn't even want to try after the garbage duo/trio fights in the base game. I would've rather had a good duo boss than something like a rider boss that runs away constantly.. Gaius.

[@drfabulous2804]

The thing is that there’s not a single good duo/gank fight in Elden Ring. DS1 has Gargoyles and O&S, DS2 had the Throne Watcher and Defender, DS3 had Deacons of the Deep, Bloodborne had the Shadows of Yarnham, Demon’s Souls had Maneaters. Not all of these bosses are excellent, but they are all enjoyable in their own right. Name one duo/gank boss in Elden Ring’s base game that you enjoyed.

[@theholypopechodeii4367]

Even in sekiro there are no good duo bosses. Fromsoft hasn't made a good one since the Demon Princes.

[@debater452]

​@@drfabulous2804The Crucible Knight duo

[@debater452]

I think that the fight against Leda and her allies is pretty good

[@jameslough6329]

My main problem with base game Radahn and why I hesitate putting him above DLC Radahn is that he is too easy if you use the summons in the arena. The base game Radahn fight was built up as this ultra powerful raid boss that you’ll need an entire army of people to take on (which would be wholly unique for a Souls game) but when you actually treat him like a raid boss he folds way too easily. They should have scaled his health and resistances MUCH higher in my opinion.

[@c_tavs]

That’s the problem I also had with radahn, I beat him in less then 3 minutes and I got upset because it was so hyped up and he looked amazing but it was just a weak fight

[@gabrieloliveira9501]

then just dont use summons bruh

[@jameslough6329]

@@gabrieloliveira9501 That’s a lame excuse. The fight is clearly built up around the idea of using summons what with the festival and the multitude of familiar characters eager to do battle with Radahn. Using summons in a fight like this should enhance the experience, not trivialize it.

[@gabrieloliveira9501]

@@jameslough6329 i agree that the fight had a lot of build up to use the summons, but the concept of summons is always to make the experience easier for the player, so idk how they would balance that

[@jameslough6329]

@@gabrieloliveira9501 They could just scale his health and resistances to all status effects MUCH higher which would incentivize the player to use summons. It would still make the fight easier without completely trivializing it. If they are going to treat a particular boss like a raid boss where you need an entire group of people to take it on it’s a bad idea to scale that boss fight in the same way as a solo encounter which is exactly what they did with base game Radahn

[@austin0_bandit05]

Bros to scared to say Rhadan is bad lol. The amount of explanations is ridiculous. There's a good boss there he's just buried beneath bullshit. The problem with Rhadan returning isnt a moveset problem a story problem. Its lame. wHaT iF wE fOuGhT pRiMe RhAdAn??? There's no moment of eureka. Its a classic case of Chekov's rifle. The audience wasnt given enough pieces to the puzzle for it to come together all at once. I just said "what" when I first saw him. People expected Godwyn because there was more that connect Miquella to Godwyn and almost nothing to Radhan. I wouldn't be surprised if it is a retcon

[@debater452]

George wrote the DLC lore at the same time as the main games lore this isn't a retcon especially, since the base game hamers in the fact that Godwyn is super dead

[@drfabulous2804]

As far as I’m concerned Malenia and Godfrey are the only truly great bosses in this miserable game. Both are probably in my top 10 FromSoftware bosses, Malenia is probably my second favourite after Gherman, First Hunter. The rest range from ‘that was ok, I guess. But barely worth the hassle’, to ‘I’m going to demolish my fucking house, brick by brick, just so I don’t have to fight this bastard ever again’.

[@darkii32]

bro put half of the dlc bosses in the bottom 10 and was like oh yeah the dlc is awesome

[@brub1738]

I will say after beating the dlc going back to the bosses in the base game was really jarring like compared to even rellana or Dancing lion, malenia felt super slow and not even that much of a challenge it was super weird I even remember saying to myself “this is the boss everyone was tweaking about?”

[@anonymous01201]

dancing lion, rellana, consort and maybe messmer and/or bayle were the only bosses in the dlc that were even remotely harder than the base game bosses. the difficulty spike is very over-exaggerated I find

[@griizz13]

I don’t bitch about bosses difficulty really ever, and do them solo as well. I just completed a rl1 run that included beating malenia. Malenias fatal flaw is definitely waterfowl dance, but it’s definitely an easier situation to prepare for. malenias difficulty is not even on the same planet as radahn. He’s the most bullshit overtuned boss fromsoft has ever created. Promised consort radahn is comparable to Laurence in that they’re the two worst bosses in the series in terms of bull shit. Radahns entire second phase is blinding flashes, chip damage, chip damage, and chip damage. I got so good at his first phase I’d go into phase 2 with all my flasks and a minute later he still has the same health and I’m down to 2 flasks because his chip damage forced me to heal the 1 time every 10 fucking minutes I get an opening to heal or attack. Not to mention his mostly undodgeable cross slash attack, constant area aoe, razer thin attack windows that you will probably get punished anyways because his attacks are lightening fast. I do not understand you. Malenia is 10x better even with waterfowl.

[@christianobryant5768]

Malenia at 14 is so crazy 😂

[@manquail2361]

Idk, I feel like water fowl is unintuitive to learn to dodge and like they used it to compensate for difficulty rather than making the rest of her moveset more nuanced

[@shadowskullgame380]

I already had this list made and I updated it today as I finished my 2nd dlc playthrough. I’ve beaten every boss in the game summonless and included some more than you but oh well, let me know what y’all think. 1. Godfrey First Elden Lord/ Hoarah Loux Warrior 2. Bayle the Dread 3. Messmer the Impaler/Base Serpent Messmer 4. Midra Lord of Frenzied Flame 5. Mogh Lord of Blood 6. Malekith the Black Blade 7. Rellana Twin Moon Knight 8. Rykard Lord of Blasphemy 9. Starscourge Radahn 10. Radahn Consort of Miquella 11. Radagon/Elden Beast 12. Malenia Goddess of Rot 13. Dragonlord Placidusax 14. Divine Beast Dancing Lion 15. Morgott the Omen King 16. Commander Gaius 17. Romina Saint of the Bud 18. Lichdragon Fortisaxx 19. Margit the Fell Omen 20. Putrescent Knight 21. Fire Giant 22. Metyr Mother of Fingers 23. Loretta Knight of the Haligtree 24. Astel Naturalborn of the Void 25. Godfrey First Elden Lord 26. Rennala Queen of the Full Moon 27. Godrick the Grafted 28. Scadutree Avatar 29. Elemar of the Briar 30. Golden Hippopotamus 31. Flying Dragon Agheel 32. Dragonkin Soldier of Nokstella 33. Red Wolf of Radagon 34. Godskin Noble 35. Regal Ancestor Spirit 36. Godskin Apostle 37. Commander Niall 38. Magma Wyrm Makar 39. Jori Elder Inquisitor 40. Valiant Gargoyles 41. Mimic Tear 42. Sir Gideon Ofnir the All Knowing 43. Leonine Misbegotten 44. Godskin Duo 45. Crucible Knight and Misbegotten Warrior 46. Fia’s Champion’s

[@knuckleheadwestwind3585]

I like Fortissax, and I love his music and arena. But I think he’s too high, because balance wise he almost always dies super fast. Also if you dodge into the spinning blade attack twice you will dodge it every single time😉

[@malikhittam1440]

I often see people comparing godskin duo to Ornstein and Smough from DS1 as though O&S is a really good and well designed bossfight. Am I the only one who finds both bosses equally dogshit? Tbh the only duo fight I ever liked in the entire series was demon princes. I just don't care for duo fights as a whole

[@Nightwalk2]

Nah, I love O and S. I think they're way overrated though.

[@keskorian5820]

o&s is better than godskin duo on paper, but the fight is so janky that the experience is just as bad

[@malikhittam1440]

@Nightwalk2 Yeah, it's probably just me and my disdain for duo bosses in general, not just souls duo bosses

[@Stanzbey69]

@@Nightwalk2 they’re top 3 in ds1 but that game… aged badly when it comes to combat imo.

[@teenagesilver6512]

@@malikhittam1440 finaly. Yes. Same thoughts. o&s is like godskin duo, but worse, you can't crit them, you can't sleep them, they are just too buggy and you need to space the shit of them for 8 minutes.

[@domin8tion651]

Renalla that high is a crime just because she is easy does not mean she is a good boss

[@dudeman7826]

She is a good early boss tho,

[@Gnix1996]

​@dudeman7826 nah. 1st phase is way too boring. Feels like a Spyro the Dragon boss.

[@superharsh6786]

Radahn being higher than Malenia and Putrescent Knight is a neckbeard take

[@ElysianDivine]

Everyone will have different opinions of bosses especially because we all use different builds and have different experiences plus the DLC is fresh so opinions can change. I enjoyed the video and cant wait for the top 10 :)

[@setjor651]

Commander Gaius is Elden Ring Gyoubu Masataka Oniwa. I will not elaborate further.

[@earthnugget7881]

It's really nice seeing someone go over and talk about the bosses without just calling anything that's hard unfair. I think Gaius and Radahn specifically see a LOT of this right now. I've beat both of them a few times now and I think that radahn has potential to be top 5 in the game with a few tweaks, namely his triple slash that's borderline impossible to dodge fully and just toning down some of the particle effects. I never actually had much issue with visibility from the holy AoE, but rather Miquellas hair. I found that in the process of dodging the holy AoE attacks I would be in a position where they wouldn't get in front of my camera. Anyways kind of a long ramble but I'm curious what things you'd tweak about the fight

[@yab3146]

Honestly if they tweak the triple slash radahn is easily tip 3, never felt so good beating a boss before

[@jothrax4673]

I agree. I hope they patch the visuals of Radahn before trying to nerf anything else because he's a fun fight when I can see

[@yuvalmenahem800]

Hey, quick question are you going to do a community ranking of Elden ring bosses ?

[@quis9795]

Malenia is top 5 if not top 10 I think people just fight her wrong. For example, don't back roll her attacks, especially her quick slashes, you gotta dodge thru but that's just my opinion

[@lord_nem3sis]

Hold on... He has not named Gideon yet, right? RIGHT?

[@kingdennis2763]

😳

[@Nightwalk2]

Fortunately, I'd kinda count him as a mini boss. There are just soooo many bosses in the game that it's hard to make a list that includes everything I want to talk about without being 70+ entries long. So I picked all the remembrance bosses with a few extras in there (like margit, for example)

[@elsajean2864]

Putrescent knight is in the top 10 most satisfying and clean bosses in the game

[@codman4372wx]

Messmer is by far my new favorite boss in the game, so much so that I have a video of his boss fight uploading on my channel. I don't do this usually unless it's a boss I REALLY like

[@akid8642]

Im literally the biggest Commander Gaius glazzee

[@TopPotato109]

My main problem with most of the bosses are the repeats, a repeated boss makes the initial encounter 10 times worse and less special for me personally, that’s why most of the DLC is near the top for me personally

[@Nightwalk2]

That’s fair, it definitely happens quite often in the base game

[@anonymous01201]

I don't like reused fights either when they don't make sense but this is really dumb, if you're referring to Dancing Lion that's even dumber cause they never mention about there only being one and the 2nd is found in a logical place too, really no issue (apart from the refight itself giving you AIDS).

[@LiTee3]

honestly love putrescent knight i dont understand the hate :(

[@MrJesusCrisp]

Malenia > Consort Radahn. Malenia mostly comes down to whether or not you can react to waterfowl dance and manage to get more hits in than being hit because of her lifesteal, but she she is weak to status effects, can get staggered and poise broken rather easily, and gives you some time to breathe in general. Phase 2 is more flashy with some new and challenging attacks, and the threat of scarlet rot, but managable overall and is clear enough to read. Radahn phase 1 is already attacking relentlessly but it's not too bad apart from 1 or 2 moves other than the damage output he has. But then phase 2 adds a lot of extra holy damage spam that sometimes blocks your entire view, Miquella's hair blocks you from seeing what Radahn is doing, the grab attack has a DS2-level hitbox and those teleportation and meteor attacks are just so hard to avoid consistently. He also seems to lose any notable weaknesses to status or damage types. Having him transition at his last third of the health pool would have made for a less frustrating but still challenging fight. Or slow down his attacking if you're already spamming the screen with columns of light. Kinda hot take: The DS3 Twin Princes fight handled this whole "theme" better IMO, where the holy magic brother swoops in to heal and help the one slowly succumbing to the battle with the hero. Hell, the whole imagery is the exact same basically with Miquella climbing on Radahn's back. Twin Princes added a couple more projectiles to avoid, the healing once you knock down the fighting brother to a certain amount of health and the objective of killing the second prince, which would have made even more sense here. After all, you're tasked with killing Miquella, not his consort, and all you do is hitting his consort. I see for reasons of lore Miquella probably can't survive without a consort and because of staying in good taste you don't want to force the player to beat the hell out of a god that looks like a frail teenager though. Still could have built the whole thing around some sort of essential gimmick item that lets you put Miquella to eternal sleep or whatever. Also, Fortissax shouldn't be higher than the likes of Scadutree Avatar or Putrescent Knight just for the camera/lock-on alone (which is crap in all of those ancient dragon fights anyway). The body lock-on hardly makes sense for any type of play, head lock-on only makes sense for ranged or spell players. The standard drakes are much better in that regard, as they have their heads down where you can hit them every now and then, plus you can focus on the legs too and they make it easier to see what they are going to do.

[@captainzachary2477]

Nice to meet a fellow fire giant sympathizer

[@upmysIeeves]

you might be elden ring’s number 1 fan for some reason

[@KevinLopez-cz9xs]

Good to know we aren’t glazing the hell out of the DLC final boss, such a poorly designed second phase

[@garrettsindelar3774]

Consort radahn is the biggest piece of crap because of that second phase. That fight was not fun at all after you get past the first phase.

[@thex6992]

Richdragon 40staxx is definitely top 5 for me, he's too sick and has maximum swag + ost is one of the best they ever made

[@otisvale9445]

I think the avatars nukes are just shards it sends out at you and not an actual aoe

[@yungtreebranch1881]

I agree with the Malenia take but it is a really fun fight once you really learn everything

[@nooberus9241]

Malenia without waterfowl dance would make her just like any other boss encounter. But now she is Malenia. That move is what makes her stand out. Dodging it perfectly still feels great after so many times, so to me its well worth the pain to learn it in the first place.

[@drfabulous2804]

Malenia feels very much like Gherman or Maria from Bloodborne, the fight is way more intimate and more like a graceful dance than an AOE, epilepsy inducing shit show. I think I’ve fought her so often I know her moves off by heart but I still adore her fight, phase one is perfection and while phase 2 can get hairy I never feel overwhelmed like I do in most other Elden Ring Fights. Waterfowl I feel teaches players caution, I think players who know this fight will sense when they’re due a waterfowl and act accordingly. It can be dodged with not too much hassle especially the 2nd and 3rd flurries, 1st is tricky, but it’s why I use a shield.

[@limecrimes]

I found waterfoul fair tbh. Definitely one of the hardest attacks to learn, but I personally learnt how to dodge it without a guide, respect the opinion though

[@ORCANORCA881]

Malenia is still my personal favourite Elden Ring boss. I get the discourse over Waterfowl, but I never had an issue with it. (Likely because I was light rolling for most of my first playthrough). Even if I didn't dodge it perfectly, I made it out alive. I also disagree that Malenia should only do WFD at 50% health. Having it be that predictable makes it incredibly easy to make it a nothing burger, which I understand is what a lot of people might want, but it would ruin the fight for me. Especially now, with the new DLC weapons, there are new things I can do to avoid WFD while dealing damage (swift slash s the second flurry while hitting her, and it's super cool). Overall, I think she's a fantastic fight, but Messmer is a very, very, very close second.

[@tryyiam]

Romina is my by far my favourite boss in the DLC, shes just a fair fun fight, no bs 5 hit combos, fair attack windows, cool design, great fight.

[@theholypopechodeii4367]

She isn't that fair, she is just easy. She has a bunch of issues with her hitbox. I still think she isn't a bad fight but Idk if I could call bad hitboxes fair.

[@tryyiam]

@@theholypopechodeii4367 didn't have any issues with her hitbox

[@theholypopechodeii4367]

​@tryyiam Search up videos if you don't believe me but parts of her body straight up don't collide, so it looks like a sword will cut through but it does no damage. Also her grab hitbox is busted (like most fromsoft grabs unfortunately).

[@tryyiam]

@@theholypopechodeii4367 haven't expirienced it so fat and i beat her 3 times but i believe you.

[@nikochikorita8777]

Fortisaxx ist just living from his lore... On the paper He is (almost) Just a reused ancient Dragon with deathblight.. i know that ist sad but is just the truth

[@sumi3161]

Fighting Malenia is like eating a delicious, gourmet soup that has a few a toe nails sprinkled in. Waterfowl is just unfun.

[@dtanobo]

Divine Beast, Margic and Putrescent Knight behind Renalla is wild. I've always thought she was mid at best.

[@SimplCup]

I disagree with the placement of Rennala, because sure, the arena looks cool and the lore etc. But the boss itself is too predictable and easy and is just basically a more complex version of other mages combined. I would place her above the leda gang on 23rd place, just cus everyone you've mentioned after leda are much more versatile and cool looking than the queen. And i would also place romina lower than dancing lion, but it's more of a personal preference of mine this time. Talking about malenia, i would definitely put her in top 5 bosses of Elden Ring. She may seem ultra hard, her moves may look pretty bullshit, but they aren't. She is a hard boss, but almost all of her moves are incredibly well telegraphed and are fully dodgeable. She is a skill check for sure, but once you learn her moveset, you feel such huge amount of satisfaction that is indescribable. You actually feel that you fight a goddess. I still haven't learnt Consort Radahn properly, but just the fact that it's Radahn in his prime buffed by Miqussy already makes me want to put it in top 5 bosses of all time. And his attention to detail is incredible, like in his fight we finally see where the Lions Claw came from, he actually just uses it, which is so badass. And his cutscene being 1 to 1 copy of the Elden Ring trailer's showcase of Radahn vs Malenia. And the fact that we see a lot of Starscourge moves the way they were when he was sane and in full power is just mesmerizing. Overall nice 30-11 placements, can't wait to see 10-1 video!

[@platonios4666]

I find it impossible to get hit by the lightning spinning attack from fortissax. In my fights he always straightup missed, without me having to dogde or anything.

[@andrewsebree4333]

It took around 4 hours of attempts. But i felt so good when i beat Radahn all by myself. I couldve summoned both Thiollier and Sir Ansbach. But i was determined🤣 the combo where he does several slashes and slams the ground for the AOE. That was my damage window. I could always get a good punish during that

[@combustiblelemons1894]

I think the reason half of people are hating on putrescent knight and half of people love it is that it’s really fun with magic but horrible when fighting with melee

[@shroomian2739]

4:21 DO NOT DISRESPECT MY SON LIKE THIS HOW DARE YOU

[@Florjb0rjTheFloorboard]

11:52 Hard disagree, every time I've fought Fortisax I have completely ignored his moves to no consequences

[@suchar7175]

Consort Radahn higher than Malenia is a freaking joke, this is one of the worst rankings I've seen on YT.

[@Nightwalk2]

Disgusting, honestly. People having opinions makes me SO mad 😡

[@suchar7175]

@@Nightwalk2 I only expressed my *opinion* on your ranking, bro. It is definitely a controversial to put Prime Radahn over any Elden Ring Boss, given how unfair this fight is.

[@maran947]

I was like how is Radahn not in the top 10...and then I remembered there is Rykard, there is Mogh, there is Bayle, there is Messmer etc

[@Nightwalk2]

There are so many bangers left...

[@toesmeller6243]

Bro is the biggest elden ring glazer💀💀💀

[@skywalkersbutido6375]

The hippo is better than PK and Gaious?this ain’t it chief.

[@dbaba1]

putrescent knight spot is definitely a take

[@bjeurn2273]

Bro really put a big chunk of the dlc bosses in the bottom half 😅 Romina, scadutree avatar and putrescent knight don't deserve to be that low imo but seeing everyone's different opinion really is interesting nevertheless. Eldenring truly has the strongest base game lineup of every souls game nevertheless and that's so beautiful

[@-_-5470]

I am totally fine with Malenia being where she is. I am NOT fine with putting her above Godrick

[@Stanzbey69]

After fighting promised consort radahn a 3rd time, i think he’s among the best in the series. Malenia is also harder to do consistently imo

[@anonymous01201]

Leda ia not a boss, let alone a main one, do you see a boss healthbar? It even says 'Host Defeated' when you kill her. Am I beating a boss whenever I spank a gank in invasions?

[@Nightwalk2]

Ehhh but it’s the climax of a huge amount of NPC quest lines, there are unique armor sets given, and an entirely unique boss theme that’s a banger. Plus I wanted to discuss it.

[@anonymous01201]

@@Nightwalk2 makes sense, technically it's not a boss though

[@burntivoryking]

Waterfowl may be unfair but that doesnt really impact the fight that much imo. The rest of the fight feels great and fights in a different way than the rest of the bosses. I think malenia is better than all the other base game bosses because it feels like they actually tried to make a boss from their previous games. Even with waterfowl I still think malenia is better than any of other the base game fights

[@anonymous01201]

waterfowl is not unfair, only obtuse / unintuitive. i don't know how Malenia being like in previous games is a good thing either, first of all she's not, and secondly ER boss design is far better than with the DS trilogy it's not even close, so much more engaging and rewarding.

[@burntivoryking]

@@anonymous01201 waterfowl is unfair as the game doesnt really provide you with the roll needed to be able to dodge it. It forces you to either look up a guide or use a shield which I would say is unfair. ER boss design is nowhere near as good as the boss design of ds3 and bloodborne. Its good but not that good. I said she acts like previous game bosses because shes closer to bosses like friede or lady maria than bosses like godfrey and maliketh. The boss design is great for elden rings dlc but for base game it was kind of a downgrade when it comes to the actual fights.

[@anonymous01201]

@@burntivoryking I mean I don’t like defending waterfowl, but you can dodge it in a myriad of different ways including with just medium roll and jumping but also including shields, BHS, and more. It’s not unfair, it’s perfectly dodgeable, it’s just very unintuitive since like you said most players will have to look up a dodge if they aren’t using shields or some other method of avoiding that doesn’t rely on your basic moveset. It’s not unfair at all but it is pretty poorly designed Nah ER boss design is far better than DS3 imo. In DS3 the boss design boils down to roll a combo then swat the boss with R1s and repeat, basically turn-based. ER boss combat is a lot more dynamic and the boss design encourages you to use your full moveset which is a problem with DS3 where it’s not worth it to use anything other than R1 mostly. Plus the bosses incorporate use of jumping and positioning into their design to allow you to dodge attacks in multiple possible ways and find more mid-combo openings. It’s far more engaging and rewarding to learn imo, and you actually have to think in order to not take damage.

[@burntivoryking]

@@anonymous01201 Whatever, we both think waterfowl is bad, there is no point in arguing about this. ER boss design is pretty close to ds3 actually. Ds3 and elden ring both have you roll a combo and then get one or two hits in. The difference is elden ring bosses have longer combos. Elden ring does allow you to use weapon arts since they do more damage than regular attacks. In ds3 weapon arts didnt do that much damage. That doesnt really have to do with boss design though. The reason why ds3 boss design is better is because they have more variety in bosses. They have abyss watchers where you fight two of them until and infected one starts attacking both sides. You have lothric and lorian where you have to kill one in order to get attacks on the other. You have soul of cinder where hes able to switch between different weapons and gains new movesets with each one. Thats only three bosses I mentioned. In elden ring, almost every main boss acts the same. They are big, slow, and hit you with melee attack combos. Alot of them feel like they work the same. Thats why I said I like malenia because she stands out from the other bosses. Its still not bad but it just lacks variety while games like bloodborne and ds3 have tons of variety in bosses. I feel like if I were to put bosses on a tier list, other games would have quite a few of their main bosses in s tier while elden rings bosses are more A tier (except malenia). Of course I do think they greatly improved on boss design in the dlc bringing bosses like messmer, midra(many people say he acts like a ds3 boss), and bayle. So I think the dlc has great boss quality but the main game is definitely lacking a little variety imo.

[@anonymous01201]

@@burntivoryking No, they are different. In ER you can get a lot more hits in during the combo and can use jumping and positioning to do so by using them to dodge attacks. In DS3 you just roll a combo, hit the boss, and repeat. ER boss combos are longer but you can get many openings during combos, and you have more delayed attacks so you don’t run out of stamina during the combos. I also don’t know why you think ER bosses have no variety, this is something I’ve literally never heard. That simply isn’t true in my opinion: you have Margit who is a beginner boss encapsulating the boss design of the game; Morgott who is the harder rematch of him; Godfrey who is a slow and hard-hitting boss who uses shockwaves and his dragon arm; Radahn who is a huge enemy with large sweeping combos and long cinematic attacks in phase 2; Rennala who starts as a unique and gimmicky horde-type boss before becoming a fight against a caster who summons adds; Rykard who is basically Yhorm but actually good and is a giant serpent with a human face stuck onto it; Mohg who is much slower than other bosses but hits like a truck and covers the arena in blood flame with most attacks so you have to watch your positioning (plus has Nihil gimmick); Astel who is a giant alien-like thing that hangs from the ceiling; Fire Giant who is an enormous giant-type enemy and transitions for you hitting his feet to his hands in phase 2; and so on for the rest of the base game and the DLC. It at least has more variety than DS3 where you have a handful of bosses that are all men with fire swords.

[@andrewchacon715]

Wow, you really didn’t like the DLC bosses, did you?

[@umukzusgelos4834]

Recently I have done a lot of Cooperating and as fate would have it, most places where you get summoned to are either Godfreys Arena, Radagons, Farum Azula, somewhere in the DLC or, who would have guessed: Malenias place After battling her so many times I would argue that I might have gotten somewhat proficient at avoiding her shit, but I can hardly agree on the sentiment that there is anything rewarding or fun about it The Waterfowl Dance is still a guaranteed Gameover 8 out of 9 times for either me or my host, with a bit of luck I have enough space behind me to run far enough to escape her hitbox and roll dodge on the second half, but sometimes you have your back in a corner, she jumps up and goodbye goes the Run and the healing per swing... is just dumb, there is nothing intuitive or difficult about it it´s just "Ha, didn´t play flawlessly, see that damage you dealt to me? How about I nullify it all in a flash while gravely injuring you - lol!" it´s unecessary punishment in a fight that is already challenging enough without this particular caveat and while the staggering is a welcome addition, you are still often just left to do a hit and run, hit and run and pray she does not spontaneously go on hyperarmor and smack you healing the damage you just dealt I know there are some people who just cannot handle this type of complaint but to those people I say: Piss off, go wallow in your Tryhardiness - but for people like me and I imagine a good chunk of other players who got through the rest of the game just fine Malenia is and always will be simply a tiring ordeal that just wears you out

[@Gnix1996]

When I fought her, one of her waterfowl attacks I completed dodged somehow. Like 4 straight well timed rolls and avoided every single attack in her combo. Maybe I was in a flow state, but it showed me IT CAN be dodged. The timing is just very very particular. And I dodged into her each time so it's not as if i was running away.

[@umukzusgelos4834]

@@Gnix1996 I don´t doubt there is a way, it´s just very poorly communicated as to what it is you need to do

[@DaSSWon]

What weapon are you using during the NPC fight ranked at 25

[@DaSSWon]

My bad rank 24

[@Dean_W51]

The sword is Milady

[@DaSSWon]

@@Dean_W51 thx