Elden Ring - Five unsolveable conundrums

#eldenring #eldenringlore #unsolved #ranni #fingers #meteorite #moon
This video details five contradictions in Elden Ring Lore. I know there's much more to be said, but these are the ones which most interest me.
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Xenosaga ep2 OST - Yuki Kajiura
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[@tylersmythe8216]

I always love the absolutely unhinged intro

[@Nathan_Coley]

What's unhinged about it?

[@scheherazade2291]

I always assumed Marika and Godfrey had more children that were never mentioned. Like the ones in the mausoleums.

[@zasherr]

Ranni's plot was to have both her and herself die at the same time, killing her in body and Godwyn in soul. This was achieved due to the wheel having to be in two places at once (hence the halfwheel) which leads me to believe that the cursemark of death is just something that appears when a God or Demigod is slain with a God slaying blade, since its hard to kill one naturally. The fact that the centipede is on Ranni's fingers could point to that, as it was that same blade taken from Nokron that she uses. It could very well be due to the blade used itself. The fact it is a halfwheel is likely because the wheel was never united again, unless Fia melds them back together You could ask how or why they are able to work, still, but the fact of the matter the wheel broke, one part of it still at work on Godwyn. Perhaps the mark she left on her fingers was just a poetic flourish of hers to showcase or call back to her denial of destiny/fate As for her Two Fingers being being blue, perhaps Fingers are able to absorb glintstone in the same way that Crystallians can absorb and abide with Scarlet rot. Apart from her fingers looking different generally, you could argue that the other fingers have long since been dead. Even the ones in the Roundtable might not even be alive, since it is a dreamland of sorts after all.

[@kisiorek11]

since there’s only a half of a circle, did Ranni’s fingers die only in body or soul? could it be that someone else killed their own fingers at the same time?

[@michaelbarker6732]

I think only half appeared because they are associated with Ranni and she had only half died. Or because they were killed by Ranni. Either or I don’t really think that it’s something like every time two things die it makes half a cursemark I think it was more of a one time thing that came about because A they were demigods or B something to do with the rune of death lol not sure what.

[@zasherr]

@@michaelbarker6732 The half wheel on Ranni's Two Fingers was definitely just a flourish of hers to send a message as she was the one to kill them. Now I think of it, though, have we actually seen the cursemark left on someone since the events of Godwyn's and Ranni's deaths? If the mark left on the fingers somehow wasn't a conscious decision to spite fate, then I'll reaffirm that my understanding of it is that the half wheel on Godwyn is still active due to his body still being alive, leaving the other part on Ranni's corspe to somehow do its thing, perhaps rematerializing on those who die (if at all) Maybe I'm misunderstanding something and assuming that the cursemark left on their flesh is separate to the actual wheel, but if so, why does Fia have to Gestate both parts to repair it? If the cursemark isn't so rare, and its been left elsewhere why is it specific that we need the halfwheels left on Godwyn and Ranni and not someone else to bring death back into order? I think we're assuming that the wheel splitting was a one time thing, when we should be asking if the wheel or half wheel had been left ever since.

[@NobleHarmo]

I sort of believe that Ranni only half-killed her own finger on purpose in order to prevent it from coming back. The soul remains (the astral/ethereal element), but the body is gone (the physical element). She would do this so as to stop the fingers from being able to manipulate her destiny.

[@zasherr]

@@NobleHarmo to be honest, I feel like killing only the body of her Fingers would leave it wriggle room to come back. The soul could find another host, same as she did with the doll. I kind of feel like her best option would be to kill it entirely. I think we both agree though that whatever she intended was not only to take back her destiny, but also perhaps a hint of spite

[@hendrex8285]

8:13 no disrespect, but I feel like the answer to this one is much more simple than you're trying to make it out to be. The Golden Lineage are the offspring and descendants of Godfrey and Queen Marika. Mohg, Morgott, and Godwyn, are all members of the Golden Lineage, hence why Morgott says "last of all kings" during his boss fight, with Godrick unfit to rule, Mohg doing his own thing, and Godwyn essentially dead, he's the last member of the Golden Lineage. As for how Godrick fits into this, he's a descendant of Godwyn, notice how both of them have the title of "The Golden".

[@aettic]

This. I feel like that one is pretty straight forward. Marika was queen, Godfrey was King Consort and "first" Elden Lord of the Golden Order (keep in mind that he used to be Hoarah Loux, but became Godfrey by the time he was with Marika), and the two of them begat Godwyn, Mohg, and Morgott (at least). In most cases we can also trace familial relations to some degree by the beginning letter of the character's names. Mohg and Morgott obviously share their mother's initial. As do her other children, Miquella and Melania, while Radagon's children with Renalla all have R names (Ranni, Rykard, and Radahn). Also, bonus that George R. R. Marin's initials begat all three letters (GRM). But I feel like the Golden Lineage is fairly cut and dry at the top. I assume that Godrick is descended from Godfrey, or perhaps a grandson. And Godefroy also somewhere in there. I don't think this one needs to be an unsolvable mystery unless there's a genuinely good reason that it couldn't just be "Godfrey and Marika had kids together". The whole thing about the Turtle neck meat was removed from the game, and so it shouldn't be considered canonical for the purposes of understanding the world. Also, a lot of elements of the game are quite symbolic, and lie somewhere caught between metaphorical and literal, such as the Erdtree being responsible for the cycle of death and rebirth. It doesn't necessarily have to be wholly one or the other. The whole game is like that (which is a very esoteric concept, borrowing from spiritual traditions which teach wisdom and harmony in contradiction).

[@BloredBean0]

Yeah idk why he decided to mislead the listeners. It's like saying that apples in a store didn't come from an apple tree because he bought them at the store.

[@ultra824]

so, we know for a fact that there were more demigods than those we hear about in-game. the walking mausoleums contain "soulless" demigods (possibly implying that more demigods than just godwyn died during the Night of Black Knives), and we know that both vyke and gideon obtained great runes from _somewhere_. presumably mogh, morgott, and godwyn simply had more siblings that just aren't important enough to warrant mention

[@johnkramer2144]

There’s also the theory that there were demigods BEFORE the rein of Marika, such as the children of the God during the time of Placidusax. After all, to be a God in this world, you must be A) a Demigod and B) be female. That’s why only Marika, the Gloom Eyed Queen, Ranni, Melenia, and Miqullea can hold that title (Miqullea is heavily suggested to also be St. Trina, which makes sense given who/ what their parents are).

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

I think the Mausoleums definitely confirm the notion there were demigods before the current order. The wandering mausoleums all have the style of the eternal cities, hinting that they may be nox demigods, or distant relatives of the carians. The knights who follow them have pretty traditional armor, which may suggest they lived above ground before being interred.

[@Razhork]

@@theeldenconspiracy9451 The headless demigods were not from a previous order. Lhuthel's spirit ash states that Lhuthel was given an Erdtree Burial - something which is distinctly part of the Golden Order.

[@slimnull8840]

​@@Razhorkthat doesn't prove what you think it does

[@Terminalsanity]

@@slimnull8840 It pretty much does actually and the ghost near the walking mausoleum pretty much confirms as much too as the Souless Demigod within is referred to as Marika's unwanted child implying they were related to Marika and are unwanted now that they have died in soul like Godwyn. Its not that complicated Godwyn had a wife who just goes unnamed likely because onto herself she was not that significant you name (pretty much the same reason we don't know who Nepheli's Mother is) and the their children went onto establish the linage that produced Godfroy, and many other demigods who all eventually died in soul starting after the Knight of black knives until only Godrick was left.

[@logancade342]

I think one thing that someone needs to address is the fact that there's a conspicuous absence of detail regarding the *logistics* of Omen birth. Not to be crude, but... ain't no way those poor souls are getting birthed by a mother who isn't "formless in her lands between" if you know what I'm saying. 😂 The fact that nobody in-game ever mentions that this is either a harrowing experience that almost nobody survives, OR that "birth" means something other than what we understand it as irl, is strange to me.

[@launcelotdulake8075]

IMO, the implication speaks for itself. The absence of detail seems like just Miyazaki's style of tastefully gesturing toward graphically horrifying themes without pushing them in your face.

[@forest_of_eli]

Formless in her lands between 💀💀

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

I always thought the horns came after they were born. But yeah, interesting observation.

[@yanatrei5965]

I really think that horns start to grow after birth, just like it happens with animals with horns in real life.

[@logancade342]

"Omen *babies* have all their horns excised, causing most to perish. *These fetishes are made to memorialize them* ." -Omen Bairn tool "Omen *babies* born of royalty do not have their horns excised, but instead are kept underground, unbeknownst to anyone, imprisoned for eternity." -Regal Omen Bairn tool Emphasis mine; also, both figures are literally newborn infants.

[@johnkramer2144]

I’m pretty sure that the explanation for the two different ages with two different Elden Rings can be explained with the different images of different trees that can found in a few shrines, where the banners and emblems of the trees there are different than the Erdtree banners, suggesting different holy trees.

[@arnoldkotlyarevsky383]

There is direct evidence in game, in multiple places and of at least two types, for many more children of Marika than the ones named directly in the lore. The walking mausoleums, at least one sword monument, and Melina's recollection of Marikas words point to there being many more demigod children who, for their failure to claim great runes, have faded from historical record.

[@missannethropz]

Good catch. I always thought it was a little weird that Marika was (possibly) involved in the plot of the Black Knives, resulting in the demise of her own children. But from that cold perspective of failure and the fact that she had several heirs, she was probably more than willingly to sacrifice a few to disrupt the order.

[@ztarhaven7658]

Personally I think the Cursemark is delibritly carved for the half-death ritual. and Ranni gave the Fingers a half-death as a spite move. I believe she gave them a soul death only like Godwyn as it's the worse of the two and the finger's body is heavily mutated compared to the other Fingers. In the trailer cinematic we can see Deathblight take affect almost immediately upon Godwyn's death with it leaking out of his eye.

[@ztarhaven7658]

Actually, the second after I posted this I realized there's no other signs of Deathblight like flies or black thorns so who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@sixthugger]

​@@ztarhaven7658 Do the Fingers have even have "souls"? they are intelligent but that doesn't mean they have a soul. The Finger's curse mark is the same as the one on Ranni's body, so probably the death of the body.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

I considered for a while that she may have done it as an insult, like you suggest. But that wouldn't make much sense, because she also had that mark carved into herself. I was thinking there may have been a kind of sympathy between her body and the fingers, so that when she was killed, the fingers recieved the same mark at the same time.

[@foob420]

the most kino ER lore channel on this site

[@newskool888]

Best intro on the tube

[@samf.s.7731]

I like that this channel is about "all theories" regarding stuff in the game. Keep it up, it's what we need. It was intended to be "multiple possible things" because GRRM does that in his book Fire and Blood, and Miyazaki's special touch muddled things up even further lol.

[@DonutSwordsman]

Best video yet, insta subbed and binged

[@Baehellet]

Perhaps the act of Ranni breaking the cursewheel in half meant that until Fia puts both halves together, the cursemark is incomplete and can only grant a soul-death or body-death but not both simultaneously. So the half mark appearing on Ranni's fingers could just be a consequence of her trying to kill its soul? This could be why it still appears fleshy, it's still "alive" just bereft of its soul.

[@liamace1107]

I think we have to keep in mind there were definitely multiple meteorites which hit the land between, each bringing about a new epoch. The advent of the Elden Ring is tied with the primordial crucible and brought the golden faith to the lands between while the secondary blue/ green comet tied to the primeval current brought gravity magic, destroying Farum Azula and leaving it stranded in the sky, this was probably also the comet which the first astrologer saw, bringing sorcery to the lands between

[@puzzleheaded6195]

These are very good. My biggest mystery atm is understanding the weird consistent rule of 3 in this world f.e. 3 lift medallions - Rold, Dectus, Haligtree 3 Sisters - Ranni, Renna, Seluvis rise 3 butterflies - Nascent, Smoldering, Aeonian 3 Empyreans chosen to succeed Marika - Ranni, Miquella, Malenia 3 blooms required for Malenia to achieve godhood 3 Marika blooms depicted on the Erdtree Favor Talisman 3 Miranda Flowers blooming on the Miranda Powder 3rd in the Miquella/St.Trina Lillies blooms the most 3 Rings of Light 3 claws on Melina 3 Godskin Apostles 3 Godskin Nobles 3 Named Demi Human Queens - Margot, Maggie, Gilikia 3 scratch marks on the Clawmark Seal 3 cuts on the Beast Eye 3 Nihils before Mohg transforms with Wings similar to Malenia 3 Points on Mohgwyns Sacred Spear 3 Bloodflame Scratches/Talons 3 Variations of the Fireflies - Gold, Silver, Glinstone 3 Variations of the Buds - Sacramental, Rimed, Crystal 3 Erdleaf Variations - Erdleaf, Faded, Fire Blossom 3 Generations of Albinaurics 3 Entwined Umbilical Cords(Cut Item) 3 Crucible Talismans - Feather, Scale, Knot 3 Aspects of the Crucible Incantations 3 Wings on the Crucible Feather Talisman 3 Gestures of Order - Inner, Outer, Golden 3 Horn Charms - Stalwart, Immunizing, Clarifying 3 Belfry Portals 3 Giant Skeletons sitting on the Thrones 3 Fingers on the Frenzy Seal 3 Horns? on the Dragon Communion Seal 3 Wolves surrounding the statue found in Maliketh’s boss fight 3 Lone Wolf Spirits 3 Wolves guarding Ranni’s Rise 3 Lesser Wolves of Radagon 3 heads missing on Placidusax 3 dragons ending in “sax” 3 sets of twin Great Runes 3 amber medallions. 3 small wooden shields, riveted, blue white, scripture. 3 horse heads on the horse crest shield. 3 rowa fruits and 3 raisins 3 perfume bottles 3 formless sacred seals. 3 mending runes 3 different flasks. 3 copper heads attached to the handle of weapon of Necromancer Garris, the heretical sage. Anyways, I think you get the idea. There are only a few items I’ve found that give context. Four toed Fowl Foot - Material used for crafting items. In the Lands Between, *having three digits is seen as a bad omen*. As such, the rarer four-toed fowl's is a gift of great luck indeed. Great Stars - Huge bludgeon with three stars at the striking end. Though primarily a striking weapon, the stars' spikes cause blood loss. A blood-stained star is an ill omen, a fact not lost upon those against whom this weapon is brought to bear. Landing attacks slightly restores HP. Anything that adds to the mania would be appreciated.

[@acalotl]

Elden Ring is heavily inspired by Christianity, so 3 can simply be a sacred number

[@tropezando]

Three was considered to be a magical number by Pythagoras, amongst others. To him, it represented all aspects of a cycle, or a complete entity, in a way that a duality does not. Beginning, middle, end. Birth, life, death. Maiden, mother, crone. Earth, sea, sky. This can be seen in Christianity primarily as the Trinity of father, son, and holy spirit, though three is frequently found in several religions across the world. The prevalence of three in ER is why I'm suspicious that Miquella and Malenia might have another sibling - all the other demigod siblings were born in sets of three.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

That is an enormous list. You are very dedicated.😃

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

Also, entwined umbilical cord as cut item, WHAT?!

[@Scadu_Orhyn]

@@tropezandoMelina??🤔

[@AegisOfAthens]

The spirits in the mountaintops are quite similar to ashen spirits, I'd believe they are the ash spirits of the trees and animals who were burned in the great war between the fire giants and erd troops.

[@slenderman_proxy8741]

Ranni's fingers were connected to her body, when she died in body by the mark of death, the fingers got marked aswell, so she just delivered the finishing blow to them(i think?) that would also explain why they are buried, they tried to hide underground to escape the psycho doll, they aren't broken, they were trying to dig out and away from her

[@WeWillAlwaysHaveVALIS]

Third point is succinctly explained by The Tarnished Archeologist.

[@pooydragon5398]

I think Ranni’s finger look alive cause she is. The other demigods are dead when we see them so they look withered. But Ranni killed hers something that probably has never happened.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

Ooooh, that's a cool theory.

[@inakilukac]

Shit man that actually makes sense wtf how did i not think of this before

[@aettic]

I wonder if Ranni's Two Fingers received the cursemark of death once she killed her body - it is inextricably tied to her, after all.

[@SPACECOWBOY705]

Holy shit that intro alone is worth a subscription 😂😂😂... Thag was beautiful

[@CrematedCube]

The last detail about the moon charts gave me a possibly game-changing idea. I think the Numen, the Nox, and everything Eternal _literally_ descended from the moon(s). The star charts are all relative to the moon _because that's where astrology was invented._ This detail actually might begin to explain countless things associated with the occult side of the game. Reminder, we are talking about the makers of Bloodborne here.

[@inakilukac]

Not only the creators of bloodborne, but also GRRM. I'll leave a quote from the ASOIAF books: "Once there were two moons in the sky, but one wandered too close to the sun and cracked from the heat. A thousand thousand dragons poured forth, and drank the fire of the sun. That is why dragons breathe flame. One day the other moon will kiss the sun too, and then it will crack and the dragons will return." Of course this quote in the context of the book is a myth being told by a supersticious person, but that doesn't mean it's a complete lie. GRRM is also very inspired by Lovecraft. So in ASOIAF it's quite likely that this myth refers to a past event where a meteorite struck that other moon before falling on the planet. The moon was completely shattered, and the meteorite contained some kind of alien force that indirectly helped ancient humans to create the fire breathing dragons. Elden Ring contains both concepts here, on one side, the Elden Beast clearly is a parallel to the ASOIAF meteorite, and also a second moon that disappeared is similar to Ranni's Dark Moon.

[@smokingblaster1764]

The intro alone caused me to sub

[@eldenringpvpenthusiast1710]

Fun video to think about! I feel like either a gods meddling or the shattering is why normal births aren't happening, and it seems like most orders have a way of rebirth to make up for it? something like that. lol

[@sidewaysfcs0718]

On the matter of "The Golden Line" I think if you've seen TA's videos on this, by now we know that, at least past a certain point, the only way people were born, including the royalty, was directly from the Erdtree in a very literal way, since Marika supplanted Destined Death, she essentially cut off the people from the spirit world and forced the world into a cycle of rebirth and erdtree burial. Thus, any number of demigods could have been born of the Tree. The reason some NPC's still refer to actual blood-relation is because this system of Erdtree burial and rebirth was only employed AFTER Destined Death was sealed, which is in itself not the actual start of Marika's story as Empyrean, but merely the start of the (2nd) era of the Golden Order. We know that the first Era of the Golden Order somewht overlapped with the last Era of the Great Tree, this would be the Crucible Era, the transition age, when Marika became Queen, natural reproduction still existed.

[@Win_Condition]

Playing this game while knowing how to read different media is a unique and eye opening experience.

[@michaeljohnston8891]

As for Ranni’s Two Fingers looking weird, I think the orientation of the centipede wheel is important, as it’s in the same reverse-question mark shape we see being carved into Godwyn, whereas the shape in Ranni’s back is the opposite. So it’s essentially a soulless Two Fingers. Ranni’s entire motivation is to escape the cycle of life and death prescribed by the Greater Will, and she does so with the power of Runes to, in my opinion, effectively kill herself in the eyes of the Greater Will. She gives up her original corporeal form, leaving her soul alive, while killing the essence that bound her to the Greater Will. On a side note, this sheds a lot more light on why Blaidd loses it when Ranni half-kills her Two Fingers. He is bound to Ranni through the fingers, and when they die, perhaps that is when he senses a severance in his connection to her. Being the loyal good boi he is, it’s too much to bear

[@sidewaysfcs0718]

On the Elden Beast/Meteorite Arrival I think if you look at the early concept map of Elden Ring, there is a HUGE crater right in the middle of the map, that today is a sea, the central sea that is completely empty. The six Divine Towers also surround this location, and a simple inspection of the architecture would indicate the Divine Towers are of the same stratum as the Forge of Giants and typical Giant architecture, the Divine Towers also have meteoric rock in them, and the sigil of the Fel God. It's clear that several meteors have hit the lands in between, and it's hard to say which one actually brought the Elden Beast here. I for one think that the "crumbling" of Farum Azula atleast in some capacity has also been happening even in recent times, since we can see Farum Azula ruins ON TOP of the pre-existing Golden Road connecting major cities, including connecting Eternal Cities that are now underground. They themselves were also buried by another, previous event, also by gravity magic.

[@liamace1107]

I'm surprised there wasn't a mention of Melina/ the global eyed queen. It kinda feels like the biggest and most relevant unsolved mystery to the story, this one piece could put so many other things in perspective and help understand wtf is going on with this world's timeline

[@MrNuclearz]

Probably because that theory has been talked about to death by everyone under the sun

[@zalianth15]

A few theories I have are 1. Farum Azula was once in the spot where Leyndell is, but when it was "taken out of time" at the end of Placidusax's reign, it was moved away, or 2. That Farum Azula was the seat of the Crucible, as shown be all the beasts in Farum, and that when the Crucible was "corrupted" by the influence of the Erdtree, the meteor, which fell in the Leyndell spot, forced Farum Azula out of time. Thus Placidusax being "Elden Lord" is just due to a lack of a term for the lord of the Crucible, since the Crucible is now the Erdtree. This doesn't cover the idea that perhaps the entire Lands Between are the Crucible (due to being donut shaped).

[@nguyenvietanh2152]

Interesting. So Farum Azula was on the tree branches? Or was it on the ground, but the impact of the meteor created a storm and took it to the sky?

[@Terminalsanity]

And I have far more plausible and likely explanation get this: Farum Azula it was was ripped from the ground near the building where Maliketh hangs out in his Beast Clergymen disguise Guranq which would the explain the massive crater and waterfall next to it near the *Farum* bridge which leads to Dragon Borough in Caelid. Come on its literally all there...

[@sneekmuch]

14:44 woah I never noticed that. Awesome

[@ozblok7018]

I really like the idea of Godrick being related to the Godskins, but my (messy and illogical) theory is Godrick is a son of Godfrey and with him being born with no gifts, strengths or even curses and Godfrey viewing strength as an important factor to rule, he casted Godrick away and made sure Godrick's past was erased from records. I know there are many problems with this theory but to me it kinda explains few things for me like why Morgott protects Godrick and not Rennela or Radahn, because he's protecting his little brother. Or why no one not even Gideon the all knowing was able to give just any insight on his past. Or why he has a great rune, the center of the Elden Ring given to him by right as a child of Marika or even why he's a demigod. I just love Godrick so much and try to fill in the giant gaps they've given us with him

[@twinsanity4991]

There were alot more demigods that originally existed but i guess died and were forsaken as Melina says in Marikas own words " Make of Thyselves that which ye desire. Be it a Lord. Be it a God. But should ye fail to become aught at all, ye will be forsaken. Amounting only to sacrifices." seeing as how they constantly stress how Godwyn was the FIRST of the demigods to fall, it just makes sense that the other demigods with other runes of the elden ring have been forgotten

[@thehourman4053]

I believe the corpse in Stormveil is actually the original body of Shabriri. I have several pieces of evidence for this: 1. The corpse has three eyesockets which are all empty. There are THREE Sharbriri grapes in the game, which are strongly implied to be the actual eyes of Shabriri himself. The first of which is found IN Stormveil. The other two are not very far away. His eyes were stated to have been removed in torture after he was imprisoned. This lines up with the corpse. 2. Shabriri is the only case of a disembodied spirit we know of in Elden Ring who is not undead. I think he cast his body aside in order to attain the flame of chaos. A living body without a spirit is a prime host for the god of death, as we see with Godfrey. The god of death likely came and took Shabriri's body after his soul had left it. 3. This avatar of the god of death is much older than Godfrey, and the type of deathroot that grows from it seems to be of a different variety seen nowhere else in the game. The spiral roots and coffin shaped pods which corpses are laid in are unique to that one. This means it is not Godfrey and was a previous death avatar. Godrick built the castle there specifically because of that corpse. 4. Sharbriri is stated to be the most hated man to have ever lived. What could he have done to earn that title? Perhaps unleashing both the flame of chaos AND the deathblight on the world is what he did.

[@knownrealm_]

Early concept art of the map for elden ring depicts the sea as the impact crater of a meteor, maybe the epicenter is where the elden beast landed? Maybe the beastial sanctum was connected to farum azula but was severed when the meteor struck

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

I saw that early art. Really conspicuous that there's a cloud right in the center of that sea, where all the lines from the divine towers would converge. But I thought Tarnished Archaeologist suggested that was the arrival of the Fell God, since the divine towers are giant-built. Who knows?

[@inakilukac]

@@theeldenconspiracy9451 To be fair the cloud in the middle of the map is probably there just because having a vast chunk of just water would've looked odd, same with the edges of the map

[@auto1nfanticid3]

12:47 the moon is the only celestial body they have to go off; there is no sun for the lands between, only the light of the Erdtree.

[@inakilukac]

Common misconception, there actually IS a sun in Elden Ring... It's just normal sized and very hard to spot most of the time. If what you say is true then there shouldn't be a day/night cycle since the Erdtree is always the same

[@auto1nfanticid3]

@@inakilukac well I would say that regardless of the real world based arguments that you bring to the table (which I dont think are valid since alot in their world doesnt act "normally", and we have seen solar illusions in other game e.g. anor londo), true adherents of the golden order would find a solar based armillary to be heretical anyways and probably dont recognize a sun other than the Erdtree. as to the sun actually existing in-game, I have only been able to find very blurry images, and I'm no astronomer but I know that venus is very bright for for real world example, is it possible this is just a visible nearby planet? (again, ignoring real world physics)

[@TheNecromorphkiller]

This is awesome, I'm so glad someone picked so many instances of fromsoftware forcing this story to be like dark souls instead of the story they got from grrm. It's superb to see someone asking all these questions that no one asked making the game LMAO

[@marccrossland785]

They're also called astrolabes I'm pretty sure. Great video!

[@aettic]

I wouldn't say it's "impossible" for the people of the Lands Between to know what the world looks like. There are people all over the planet (not just on the continent of the Lands Between), and it's evident throughout the game that the people of this world are talented cartographers. But beyond that, this is a world of magic. If we're using those Armillary spheres as a gauge of accuracy for these celestial bodies, they managed to know what the moon looked like on all sides, despite its orbit being tidally locked with the planet like ours (and thus only ever being able to see one face of the moon).

[@sidewaysfcs0718]

I'm not sure we should interpret the cut marks on the Fingers by Ranni as an actual equivalent to Godwyn or Ranni's flesh cursemarks, the first was made with the Fingerslayer Blade, the latter with Black Knives. Might just be Ranni having spite for the Fingers and intentionally mocking them while killing them with this kind of design, but i doubt she intended anything less than the complete murder of the Fingers. The Fingerslayer Blade itself is very different than the Black Knife, it has a more similar twin-helix design to the Sacred Relic Sword. This suggests the Fingerslayer Blade itself is the result, or was used to succesfully kill something before, probably another pair of Fingers, which is what prompted the severe punishment and banishment of the Nox (at that time Numen) civilizations underground. While we don't know when this event would have taken place, i suspect it was long before Destined Death was removed from the world, so any instance of death at that time would have been permanent, hence the body of the victim becomes a relic.

[@exquisitedoomlapointe185]

Late AF comment but i think i figured out the lineage issue you outlined here, and it is simply that you aren't born from the erdtree but rebirthed, thus your original birth was natural, thus bloodline related. This would go in line with Marika's queen of life theme and would explain quite a few other conundrums. Like say why everyone is apparently undead looking, as the rebirthing ritual has ended as the erdtree burials.

[@basementogremfontheline5363]

you are so based, tbh

[@thehourman4053]

Rannis' fingers have the cursemark because she killed it with the fingerslayer blade. That is fairly obvious. Those blades are imbued with Death the same way the black knife assassins' blades are; probably even more potently.

[@mistakai4226]

The wording on Elden stars implies that the story which is told is that the Elden beast was sent by the greater will. "It is said..." has a heavy implication that the story is a legend which has been twisted over time.

[@Sagume-ido]

I think its cool that Elden Ring suggest the moons to be somewhat guarding and giving us power to fight the outer gods. Just like our moon tries to protects us from asteroids & comets from hitting the Earth.

[@sneekmuch]

I feel like the Elden Ring symbol is Azula is actually a depiction of the crucible. Also the worship of the erdtree is a spectral tree. Before that was the great tree which was a real living tree. Look at the depiction of the bald monk holding the one tall bud from the tree stump looking other sprouts statue. Melina prob burned the first great tree which is why she’s already burned a bodiless before we burn the erdtree E: tarnished archeologist is where I got a lot of this.

[@imdefinitelynotjesus]

Ah for this video I doth my tin foil helmet.

[@Coast2CoastFlyin]

I have at times thought that the armillary sphere, at least the one with the small black sphere at its centre, represented a black hole. The star system the lands between is located in is circling the drain towards singularity, and it is this dark moon or black star that is used as a motif across cultures and eras. Taking it a step further, this star system has already crossed the event horizon, and is in the process of spaghttification, which while we definitively know little to nothing as to how this would be perceived by those experiencing it, general consensus at the moment is that things would continue on as they had before, as the intense gravity would still only really be exerting its force in a way that would cause whatever is caught in its gravity to slowly circle the drain towards it, so to speak. It wouldnt increase the gravity felt on a planet like Goku's workout machine/spaceship when hes going to Namek. Radahn mastered gravity and went to war with the stars, in the process discovering the truth: the stars were just as doomed as fhey were. So thus the coverup began. Join us next week, where we uncover the secret alien society that built a world inside a black hole, what their motivations were, and which members of YOUR family are secret Illuminati alien gravity monsters *puts down blunt* I mightve been smoking a bit too much before coming up with that theory

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

Reminds me of Ranni's edning, where everything gets sucked into the moon. The carians were behind everything!

[@Slow1337ex]

the Farum Azula Elden Ring could mean: 1. Marika's reign is not the first time the Greater Will was the god of the Lands Between, but in Placidusax's time the Erdtree didn't exist yet, as in: the Erdtree wasn't something that the Greater Will had created to be a part of his reign yet. 2. every god, over the specific conditions in which they can establish their Order (which is that their respective Empyrean must marry a consort) all create an "Elden Ring" in order to have power over the natural laws of the world, which would mean that the Greater Will' Elden Ring which we go on a quest to fix isn't the first Elden Ring that existed in the world and nor is it something exclusive to the Greater Will. which is more likely? I think the second one is the better theory. And also, the conditions for each one is that Placidusax's reign and the Elden Ring we see in Farum Azula was of the Greater Will in the first one and in the second one was that the Farum Azula Elden Ring didn't belong to the Greater Will at all.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

That's actually an interesting way of putting things. After all, the mending runes we find come from the Tarnished, not the Greater Will or some other god-like force. Thanks.

[@PregnantAdamSandler]

An explanation for the curse mark on the fingers could be that the fingerslayer blade operates on a different set of rules compared to blades that use Destined Death. Assuming the curse mark is a spontaneous phenomenon, which is what I subscribe to. EDIT: On the fire giant thing, I think your issue here is that you are interpreting the idea that the fire giants being killed by Marika at the mountaintops means that they were driven there and did not exist before. Giants existing on the mountaintops as well as the rest of the lands between can both be true. The giants could have established a civilization within the mountaintops, either as their first or one of many, but were eventually driven away from the rest of the lands until the mountaintops were their last holdout. The golden lineage is probably the one your overthinking the most. Godwyn is literally called "the golden", the only ambiguity is that they never state it directly (this might be because of what Happened to Godwyn making him a taboo subject in general). Demigods that are not directly related to Marika or Radagon are rarely touched upon so we do not know what the exact effects of the line getting further from their godly progenitors is, but it could be surmised that it dilutes. Hell, Nepheli is implied to somehow be related to Godfrey (it's never directly stated but considering Kenneth Haight is pretty pro-golden order I doubt she's completely unrelated) and she's not exactly the most impressive.

[@videopostrrr]

So faram azula worship a flower- its all over their iconography. My simple view is that this flower was the first bud of the erdtree poking through the ground, which ties the flower and the erdtree together via the elden ring being in both azula and Leyndell culture. It is also possible they simply represent the crucible with competing flowers growing from it. One of which becomes the erdtree as we see in the leyndell statues of a sapling being supported. In this case the elden ring is the crucible not the flower. O think leyndell was built around the successful tree after it was nurtured. Godfrey's keep with its older architecture representing the start point of leyndell. At a certain point as the flower/crucible became the tree Godfrey took elden lord status from placidusax. Finally faram azula may simply have been built prior to the elden star falling, so even if couldn't be on the meteor crater. Hope some od those points help your reflection.

[@Terminalsanity]

I think you're over complicating some things, I'm pretty sure Godwyn just had a wife and produced a line of many heirs that got widdled down to just Godrick after the Night of Black Knives and the Shattering and that where the souless demi gods come from. Godwyn was alive for thousands of years and within the age of abundance no less why wouldn't he have have a wife an kids with several branching lines of descendants? Its not like we know Nephi's mother or her exact relation to Horah Lou/Godfrey beyond she is a descendant of his too. Likewise, why would you assume Farum Azula would have to have been where the Elden ring was/landed when Plaxidusax was Elden Lord during the age of the Crucible? The entire deal with Farum Azula is Plaxidusax used his power to wretch it from the ground into the sky so it and he could be suspended in an eternal storm beyond time to await the return of his fled god.

[@kreadapelu8813]

The statues going up to the mountains are Giants, from before Marika’s slaughter. Those lifts were made for big people who frequently traveled between Liurnia and the Mountaintops. Those statues seem to reflect this. Marika started her campaign way north, that’s where her first church is. Uhh… something about the forge and ice dragons… You can interact with the ghost trees… they are solid in places. --- Ok I give you one more mystery. Go to the Academy Crystal Cave, in the day, climb the tower at the end, turn south, look up. WHAT IS THAT? Right, you can also see it from the Academy proper but the tower is the best view to start with. Thing is only visible in the day, it is not wisp, it has a form/shape and moves with that telltale npc-breathing loop.

[@inakilukac]

My man here really gonna make me boot the game up again just to check this

[@kreadapelu8813]

@@inakilukac I have seriously contemplated getting a computer specifically to just get a good look at this thing that nobody has said a single word about it as far as I have found

[@inakilukac]

@@kreadapelu8813 ok, so, i checked it out. It is indeed a very interesting sight. Some details about it: - it's south/south-west from the academy - that direction would place it exactly above the moonlight altar - it looks like a cross between a distant nebula and an aurora borealis - in the academy, you can see similar looking streams flowing between the buildings - you can't see it from the moonlight altar, though you should. But when you're there you can see white-blue beams coming down from the sky, perhaps that thing is causing the beams? - it should also be noted that night and day look almost the same at the lunar altar, so maybe the whole place is shrouded by that thing?

[@kreadapelu8813]

@@inakilukac I do think moonlight altar is always night. The blue wisp things don’t really have a shape and they come and go all day and night. I want to tell myself the thing is the fabled blue fairy, or Ranni, or is Rennala’s soul. But it looks like a slug in some spots. I think I have determined it to be rough above the halfway point between academy on moonlight altar. Those moonbeams or whatever are ridiculously bright sometimes. It is all just super odd Thank you. - I’ll add that it is not visible from the four belfries, anywhere in the middle lake area, Caria Manor, Stormveil, or Leyndell (after burning the Erdtree).

[@yesmansam6686]

Im pretty sure the Godfrey started the golden lineage with Godwyn being one of his.

[@paralam2175]

IJI WAS KILLED BY THE BLACK KNIVES, THAT'S WHY RANNI'S FINGERS HAVE ONLY HALF OF THE MARK! Just had an epiphany

[@FrancoUnAmericano]

Thought i was crazy, but that is Xenogears music in the background right?

[@dripstein5068]

maybe rannis fingers look fleshy since they bear one half of the cursemark. just like how godwyns body festers instead of decaying, maybe the fingers are doing the same

[@sereksusvictar7888]

Yeah, I like the idea that once Godfrey realized that Marika was a dude, he went and found a real woman to sire his kids and Radagon simply accepted this so he could bang Renala.

[@4blasphemy]

i highly recommend watching crunchys newest video because he proposes some very interesting theories and indirectly answers things such as spirit animals and trees in mountaintops

[@nicolabertini2741]

8:50 Godwyn didn't defeat Lansseax he defeated Fortissax.

[@chables74]

Algormancy!

[@jezuzman78]

Where does it say merika "corralled" the giants to the north? I was under the impression that's where they came from. Mountain Tops of the giants, after all.

[@michaelbarker6732]

I believe I know the answer to the question about Farum Azula. The Elden Ring existed before the Elden Beast came down. The Elden Rememberance says that the Elden Beast was the vassal of the greater will and the embodiment of order. I think the Elden Ring itself isn’t necessarily something that the Greater Will has control over but it’s more just part of the world. So Placidusax was Elden Lord before the Elden Beast ever showed up and it’s likely that the Elden Ring was located in Farum Azula. When the Elden beast came down it somehow stole the Elden Ring or maybe Godfrey and Marika did that later under the Greater Will’s command. How the Elden Ring got to Leyndell is the one thing that doesn’t make too much sense. Another possibility is that Placidusax was located where Leyndell is now and it was always in the tree that became the Erdtree, then the Elden Beast came down and took over it, began the process of turning the other tree into the Erdtree, and kicked Placidusax out.

[@Terminalsanity]

Dude its way, way, simpler than that, Farum Azula simply never housed the Elden ring under Plaxidusax's reign/order as Elden lord during its age to begin with. Farum Azula was just the chunk of whatever hold up Plaxidusax was in where he used his power to rip a chunk of it out of the ground and into the sky to retreat beyond time in the eye of an eternal storm to await the return of the God of his age who had already fled. The Elden Ring is just a form of the Elden beast and Plaxidusax was just the Elden Lord to the God the Greater will had designated to be the vessel for the Elden ring/beast during that age (Probably the age of the crucible BTW as many items associated with that age like the Crucible Knight gear imply it was defined by the same red gold color that distinguishes the red gold lightning that is exclusive to the ancient dragons that dominated under Plaxidusax's reign/order probably also part of why Godwyn was allowed integrate his Ancient Dragon cult into the Golden order. The Greater will seems always keep empyrean candidates in the works to potentially their current god/elden ring vessel. The greater will seems to simply want to have a means for imposing order it seems to rather unconcerned with the particular shape that order takes or what Empyrean/God serves as its vessel for it they are just as replaceable as Elden lords it would seem. Note that Greater will had a rival potential replacement empyrean chosen to replace Marika if need be practically at the start of her order as the Gloam eyed-queen was specifically tasked by her own set of two fingers to wield destined death.

[@michaelbarker6732]

The Elden Ring is definitely not a form of the Elden Beast. Read the Elden Beasts remembrance it is the vassal of the greater will. Before the Elden Beast there was no influence of the Greater Will and thus no golden order. That’s what the age of the crucible is. The crucible is the primeval form of the Elden Ring and it’s very likely thats what the different looking Elden Ring in Malikeths boss room is meant to depict. I am pretty sure Placidusax being the Elden Lord was in fact in charge of the Crucible/ Elden Ring but he probably did have a god as well who was more directly in control of it. Not sure who that would be maybe the storm lord or maybe just something we have never heard of. Lastly, Farum Azula was probably in the sky before Placidusax went in to the storm since the Ruins Greatsword and all the ruin fragments talk about it. Maybe he was the reason it was there in the first place though, timelines a little messy.

[@Terminalsanity]

​@@michaelbarker6732 Right the Elden Beast Remembrance says is a vassal of the greater will and the item description of Elden stars say the elden beast was sent down by the greater will and eventually took the form of the elden ring. Exactly where are you getting the impression that the elden ring was ever separate from the elden beast again? Not trying to be a jerk here I just know of nothing of the lore that even implies as much. The game says the vessel/God of the elden ring can alter it and change its shape and remove runes from it, given that we upon completion of the game can do the same establish different orders what exactly makes you think the Cubicle and Plaxidusax's God (yes we know he was paired with a god it says as much in his remembrance he fled beyond time to await the return of his fled god who apparently disappeared kind of like how Marika disappeared after she shattered the Elden ring) was not just previous vessel for the elden ring under the greater will's dominion and the greater will just replaced the Dragon God and its Crucible/Dragon Order and when Marika shaped the elden ring upon becoming its vessel the Crucible became the Erd tree to reflect Marika's alteration of the Elden ring? We know the greater will had multiple replacements for Marika in the works, the Glaom Eye-ed was an Empyrean chosen by the 2 fingers AKA messengers for the greater will and had similar plans with Ranni. Farum Azula was plainly ripped from ground and taken into an eternal storm beyond time when plaxidusax retreated we can see were it was ripped from in Caelid near the Farum bridge the it was just later hit by a meteor sometime after Plaxidusax took it into the sky and bits of it randomly fall off of it its is called Crumbling Farum Azula for a reason.

[@michaelbarker6732]

Oh ok that all mostly makes sense. I totally forgot about the description of Elden Stars.

[@Terminalsanity]

@@michaelbarker6732 No Worries, with Fromsoft games you forget or miss just one obscure line of dialog or item description and you miss significant bits of game lore with massive in universe implications. That's why I asked you if there was something that lead you to believe the Eden beast and Elden ring were ever separate because I could have just have just have easily missed some key info and I'd have to rethink all my lore theories... again.

[@Jilted84]

2:10 what sword is he holding?

[@mlmii1933]

We know that the Erd Tree and the Great Tree are teo different trees that were grafted onto the same root system. Why do we assume that the Elden Ring didn't exist prior to the Elden Beast's arrival?

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

The elden stars description does say the Elden Beast became the Ring. But that doesn't mean it could have been in a different location.

[@AlriikRidesAgain]

.... Radahn protects Sellia that is connected to Nokron which is connected to the Black Knives who worked with Ranni on the Night of The Black Knives. When was the Starscourge Conflict, and why would Sellia want the stars seized? No meteor strikes it. But a path to Nokron is opened. This is MESSING WITH ME.

[@Terminalsanity]

Speaking of Radahn of have a theory that Ranni entered into the Night of Black Knives conspiracy with the notion that Radahn was to be targeted that night instead of or in addtion to Godwyn as Rani needed him out the way to free her own fate which Radahn was suspending by arresting the Stars and that the Black Knife Assassins betrayed Ranni over that point which is why Ranni locked up their leader Alecto in the evergoal on the moonlight alter in the immediate aftermath of the Night of black knives. Seeing as the Black Knife assassins were scions from the eternal cities and the Nox likewise from the Eternal cities were running Sellia in secret violation of their exile to the underground eternal cities that gives the Black Knife Assassins pretty good reason to spare Radahn though since some of them seem to be in the service of Miquella in Ordina which has the same architecture of Sellia I wonder if they might have spared Radahn on his orders since Ranni was the only Empyrean that stood in opposition to establishment of his order of unalloyed gold. Damn the theory well can just get deeper and deeper. At any rate I think the Key with Radahn and holding back the stars all comes back to the Eternal cities since Sellia has direct ties to them and I'm pretty sure that meteor impact that opened the path to Nokron didn't do Nokron and the its denizens who have direct ties to Sellia any favors and Radahn was taught gravity magic in Sellia witch allowed him to keep riding his horse Leonard so he owed them a solid. As for when the Starscourge conflict took place, it had to occur sometime before the shattering but sometime after the 2nd Leurnian war. Honestly the timeline is vague and I can't pin it down any tighter than that though my Theory about Ranni wanting the Black knife assassins to take out Radahn only works if it took place before the night of black knives obviously.

[@AlriikRidesAgain]

@@Terminalsanity Ranni and the Black Knives is something that messes with me. She forged the knives for them, but they go after her servants. They both worship moons, but they both seemed prime to betray each other at the first chance. There's a serious thread linking the Nox to both sides of the Starscourge Conflict. Like... What was THEIR game? Also- Miquella and Godwyn were tight. There's no reason Miquella would turn the knives away from Radahn toward Godwyn if Miquella would later try and free his soul... And there are the statues of Godwyn protecting the twins, so they were way closer than they were to Radahn...

[@Terminalsanity]

@@AlriikRidesAgain I took my best crack at was going on with with Ranni and the Black Knife assassins it suffices to say though the particulars will likely always remain unclear there was definitely some backstabbing involved that has put them at odds after the night of black knives. The Nox/Black Knife Assassins seem to want bring down the Golden Order and set up an Artificially created lord of night in Marika's place since they have a lot of bad blood between them and the greater will/Golden order with their banishment. Its pretty obvious they partook in the Night of Black knives to get back at Marika, the Golden Order, and Greater will but their ultimate agenda diverged from Ranni's somehow. We know Miquella publicly mourned Godwyn that doesn't mean it was sincere. I mean that would the go to cover to conceal his potential involvement (where as Ranni's was outwardly looking like another victim of that night.) What can I say I don't trust Miquella and him having the very same assassins that slayed his supposedly beloved brother guard the entrance to his Haligtree is pretty damn sussy. All we really know about Miquella is he was looking to establish his own order in secret, cure Malenia of the scarlet rot and his own curse, and while outwardly charismatic was also a master of mind control. Let's just say dude reminds me of Griffith from Berserk and I think we'll find out while Malania calls the most Fearsome Emyprean of all in the DLC.

[@AlriikRidesAgain]

@@Terminalsanity ... Miquella as Griffith... That is a take I need to consider more. Might help with the calculus here. Thank you, sir. I have left with more questions, but a new way to see the game. I'm fascinated to see where this thread takes me.

[@Terminalsanity]

@@AlriikRidesAgain Oh yeah some Miquella - Griffith parallels are definitely there: His most loyal champion being a woman he calls sister who describes herself as his "sworn sword", his ambition to establish his own rule, a creepy older man that's infatuated with him, the bit with the eclipse, his androgynous appearance I mean he straight just looks like childhood aged Griffith just with blond hair instead of white granted that may well be as far as it goes I mean it wouldn't be the 1st time Fromsoft went to the Berserk inspiration well without doing a 1-to-1 thing and just used some of its stylistic motifs instead Loretta's armor for example is definitely inspired by Casca's Armor but the characters backstory and motivations are way different. But on the same token Miquella emerging from that cocoon amid a sea of blood and looking like a moth themed version of Fempto hardly seems out of the question to me. Whether or not I've guessed wrong or right hardly matters I'm just eager to see how they play it all out in the end.

[@goldenbough6563]

Elden Stars - It is said that long ago, the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would later become the elden ring. - The final comma in this description is interesting. This could be one of the few instances in the English language where the presence or absence of a comma can change the meaning of a sentence. Without that comma, is it the golden star or the beast that the last clause refers to? What I'm trying to say is that the description could easily be saying it was the golden star which became the elden ring, not the beast. Which makes a certain sense. When we encounter the golden beast, it isn't shattered, though the ring is. Unfortunately, that doesn't really solve the puzzle of the elden ring's history of location, whether it was moved from Farum Azula to Leyndell, or whether it has always been kept in the greattree/erdtree.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

That's actually a good point. I always interpreted the cutscene after Radagon's defeat as the beast coming out of his body, like the Elden Ring is transforming into the beast, but you may be right.

[@inakilukac]

[ACTUALLY] The Elden Beast IS shattered like the Elden Ring, just not as much. If you look at it's stomach area you can see it looks like broken glass. Also my interpretation of that sentence is that they are all essentially the same. The elden star itself had the elden beast inside it, and the elden beast itself is the living embodiment of the Elden Ring, it's basically changing forms. Of course the best we could do is to get someone well versed in japanese to check on the original item description. To me it makes more sense thematically that the Elden Beast *is* the Elden Ring. Since Marika has the Elden Ring within her. Radagon being defeated makes the Elden Ring react by taking on its physical form and turning Radagon into a weapon. Almost like it's saying "if you can't use me to defeat this enemy then we'll switch roles and i'll use you to do it".

[@hanselthecaretaker]

I wanna know what Godwyn looked like before being deflated into an ugly heap of leather.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

Me too.... Some people think the statue of a person holding a spear in Leyndell is Godwyn. It is strange that someone so important isn't represented in the statuary in a clear way.

[@KissyKaede]

In the section where you're talking about the tree and animal spirits in the Mountaintops of the Giants, you say that you cannot interact with them in any way. This is actually false, the tops of the trees actually do have a hitbox that you can collide with. For example, one such tree is used to skip to the top of Castle Sol.

[@Kid_Naps]

great video thx but could you please talk even less audible and more quiet? I almost heard the whole thing

[@inakilukac]

Since the game's release i've been mortally curious about the spirit trees and animals in the mountaintops, seriously there are not explicit mentions of them anywhere in the game, at all. And yeah none of the explanations really work nicely. Regarding Farum Azula's Quantum meteorite: I'm gonna leave a quote from someone on reddit that, i think, reasonably explains how Farum Azula had an Elden Ring before the Elden Beast arrived: "The great runes that compose Elden Rings are made up of smaller runes of the language of light. They are literally the word of God-- a fancier version of the 10 commandments. They are editable and there are different Elden Rings for different gods. You are essentially seeing two different bibles" This is the way I saw it as well during my playthrough of the game, the world of elden ring has it's natural rules, you know, just how the universe works. And what great runes do is essentially override those rules with different ones, sort of like a fantasy religious version of the concept of having a programming language that re-writes reality. In the case of the game though it seems that great runes have a limited range where they take effect, since the rest of the world outside the continent is seemingly working more normal-ish. Most of the supernatural stuff in the game specifies that "in the lands between, X works this way", explicitly excluding the rest of the planet. So, taking that into consideration, any sufficiently powerful outer god should be able to send vassals to a planet and create an elden ring there. I also feel the need to talk about Miyazaki and George Martin here for a second. Miyazaki has thrown around the idea of the world "belonging" to dragons in an older age and eventually humans overtaking them as the dominant species, this is part of the settings of dark souls. George Martin, in his ASOIAF books, repeatedly makes the case that in that setting (as a mirror to the real world of course) wherever humans spread, magical or ancient things start to disappear. In his setting, unicorns used to exist in all of westeros, now there are only a few in a small island. There were also giants and "children of the forest", basically fantasy big people and fantasy small people, and both of them also are now nearly extinct and only live far in the north where almost no humans go. This is important because Elden Ring's setting is heavily informed by the creators' past works. In Elden Ring we also see humans spreading through the world and fighting every other species, like the giants. And also dragons used to be a much bigger deal in the world, the elden lord itself being a dragon at some point in the distant past. What I think the game is trying to say with Farum Azula, is that The Greater Will used to favour the dragons, It gave the title of Elden Lord to Placidusax, and even gave them an Elden Ring, though it's easy to see that their Elden Ring was much more primal, undefined, and diverse. Then, as humans became more prominent, The Greater Will decided to favour them instead, so it sent the Elden Beast in a meteorite and you know the rest. Now, taking into account Farum Azula's original position in the map (between Caelid and Leyndell) if the meteorite struck diagonally on the world then it could've easily been the Elden Beast that struck Farum Azula, simultaneusly sending the message to them that they weren't favoured anymore, starting the growth of the erdtree, and possibly even depriving the dragons of their elden ring all in one strike. Oh and two things, i don't think there were other giant trees, the dragon's most likely had nothing similar, and the item descriptions talking about the "great tree" as if it was something different from the erdtree have been proven to be a mistranslation. The Elden Beast's arena of course shows a lot of erdtrees, but i think the implication there is that The Greater Will is probably doing the same thing in hundreds of other worlds. Finally, The Ruin Greatsword having gravity powers is, i think, not a hint that an Astel meteorite hit them, but rather a hint at how Farum Azula floats in the first place. Though i'm not very confident on this explanation honestly. Thanks to anyone who bothered reading this whole thing.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

This is just the sort of thing I am confused about. Even if Farum Azula recieved an Elden Ring through some means we don't know about, to say it was both the golden meteorite bearing the Elden Beast AND the gravity meteorite which makes things float, would be absurd. The ruins greatsword should be gold then, not purple. We could say the powers of the Elden Beast include gravity powers, sure, but this is never shown in the game or lore. The Elden Beast does have some attacks similar to Astel, so I'm not completely writing this off. Also, placing Farum Azula between Limgrave and Caelid makes the angle of the meteorite a little sus, when you consider how the rubble was distributed. Most of the rubble is in Limgrave and Liurnia. There's very little in Caelid. So a logical location would be along the west coast of the Lands Between. Except we don't see any actual FA architecture built there, it is all ruins. We see FA architecture built in Greyoll's dragon barrow, but no sky-fallen ruins. The possible locations of FA are just as baffling as everything else.

[@inakilukac]

@@theeldenconspiracy9451 Ok hold up you're completely right that most Farum Azula chunks are found in the liurnia and limgrave. Which means that FA should've been somewhere between them, and funnily enough, exactly between those two regions is... Stormveil Castle. Could it be that Farum Azula was originally above (or somewhere close to) Stormveil Castle? It would check out since both places are extremely related to storms and if i recall correctly it's said there was a "true storm" around stormveil castle in the past. Farum Azula crumbling and moving away could explain why the weather got softer in Stormveil. About the trajectory of the meteor, i'm certain that it hit kinda diagonally from the south, since we have the huge crater in the middle of the map, and the erdtree grows from the north-most edge of it. If we continue to consider Farum Azula being hit by the Elden Star, FA could've been positioned close to Stormveil as i said before, or maybe just closer to the center of the map. Either way the detail that would be important is how high in the sky it was. If we consider that it was at around the height of the Altus Plateau, then it would made sense that, regardless of how close it was to any region, it's ruins would fall on the lower zones, like liurnia and limgrave. Still no clue about the purple gravity effect on the ruin greatsword, i'm sad to report. And big warning, this next one is very out of the blue, but i haven't seen anyone ask this question: How long did it take for the Erdtree to grow? Seriously, it must've taken a while right? but the analysis most of us do on the lore timeline considers a before erdtree and after erdtree as if it happened in a day.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

@@inakilukac What's funny is I'm working on a video about this exact subject! It's about theories on FA's possible location.

[@madelinemitchell5102]

So I always thought Demi humans were man and beast, could Demi gods be part tree?

[@DonutSwordsman]

Maybe the moon depicted used to be a planet!? What do you think?

[@sneekmuch]

Also not everyone is born from the erdtree. Millicent says she’s from Melania’s lineage. Prob born from the sprouts coming out of Aeonia

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

Yeah, Melina says she was born at the foot of the Erdtree, where her mother gave her a purpose. So if we are saying some people are born from the Erdtree, she would be one of them. It would also make sense she considers Marika her "mother," even though her dialogue about Boc would indicate she doesn't have much experience with people "born from a mother."

[@kunknown2340]

Need to bump up voice audio

[@GutsmanLoL]

Broski turn your mic up like 80% lmfao

[@Green_Matrix]

The biggest mystery for me is when is the DLC coming so i can stop torturing you rescusants and invaders 😂!!!

[@eldenthugshaker]

Ah yes, a fellow conspiracy theorist

[@Writh811]

With regards to Farum Azula, I think you are drawing an assumption that has no basis in the info provided. We only get one description of the Greater Will sending a star bearing a beast. Nothing in that description says it hit a city. If you want the most logical place the ring originally touched down, it was probably in that giant crater lake in the middle of the Lands Between. The Dragons of Farum were the first to get the ring, since we know Placidusax was Elden Lord before there was an Erdtree. Observering the culture of Farum Azula, they did not have sacred tree. They worshiped the sky and storms. Evidence for a culture of sky worship can be found in their ritual of burial, which is called Sky burial. When you leave the corpse exposed to open sky on a slab or tied to a tree or column to naturally wither away and be eaten by birds. The other aspect that proves a sky worshipping culture is their prayer books. The Dragon Cult Prayer book of Godwyn's religion was like a "New Testament". The Ancient Dragon's prayer book, which specifies it never made it to the rest of Lands Between for Farum, and its name implies its chronological status as older. The beastmen in Farum use Gravel Seals to cast the spells of their faith and all spells associated to this religion are lightning based. Rather than the Erdtree, which would need to exist on the ground, the ancient dragons likely kept the Elden Ring in the storm. Nephili offhandedly remarks that there use to be something called "The True Storm" and I believe this True Storm was the dragons' equivalent to the Erdtree. What is left of the True Storm rages in the center of Farum Azula in the form of the Tornado. The actual impact Farum would later experience likely has more to do with their decline. It definitely would devastate the city but it also may have knocked their god (person with the Elden Ring inside them) out of the sky. The Ring was then collected by Crucible Cultists. Or it happened after their decline and was just a case of Farum being kicked while it's down. (Sidenote regarding Sky Burial: Isn't it fascinating that in this process of dealing with DEATH that we find BIRDS are involved in disposing of the bodies of the deceased. An intrusive thought occurs as I typed that last sentence out. What if all the "Gods" and "Outer Gods" aren't real until people make them real. Like in the Neal Gaimen's Sandman or the Chaos Gods in 40k. For example what if seeing the hawks eat the corpses of the dead inspired people start believing in a great bird of death and the collective will, or Greater Will, created a Death God associated to birds. And this is how all the "gods" are made. Just a random thought)

[@inakilukac]

I really like your interpretation. And personally i think that since it's pretty fair to assume that Farum Azula was originally right in front of the bestial sanctum (so essentially between Caelid and Leyndell) then if the meteor with the elden beast hit diagonally it could've easily gone through Farum Azula and straight into what is now the small ocean in the middle of the map.

[@Fartylipjuice]

ALSO WHO RANG THE DAMN BELL..... SORRY WRONG GAME

[@aettic]

you did... twice...

[@the1384]

What we all get Wrong is that Marika did not Shatter the Elden Ring because Godwyn died. Its Radagon who shatters the Elden Ring because Ranni died at the Same time. The People talking in the Cinematic Trailers don't know the Truth, only after we play the Game the Truth is revealed. Those who live in Death and we the Tarnished are brought Back to live because Marika is the one trying to reapair the Elden Ring. We gather the Great Runes to repair the Elden Ring, Marika is trying to fix it not Radagon.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

Hmmmmm... That's interesting. When we defeat Maliketh after giving Gurranc all the deathroots, he says "Forgive me Marika, the Golden Order cannot be restored." But then the Marika's Hammer says the exact opposite so...

[@the1384]

@theeldenconspiracy9451 I don't believe Gurranc/Maliketh knows the Secret about Marika being Radagon. If we go deeper we can Read that Maliketh is Marikas Half-brother and also her Shadow. That could mean Gurranc is Radagons Half-brother and therefore Radagons Shadow. Maybe that can lead to new Clues

[@beansnrice321]

Regarding the giants. I believe that there is strong evidence that the fire giants were not the largest of the giants and that the largest giants died long before the Zamor and fire giants fought.

[@tylersmythe8216]

That makes a lot of sense. Why would they be called fire giants if there wasn't a separate type of giant. Elemental giants are a common fantasy trope. Perhaps limgrave had storm giants or something, but that's just spitballin.

[@zasherr]

There definitely were much larger giants that died in a manner similar to the dinosaurs. The smaller ones would have found it much easier to hide. Looking at the edges of the maps, as well as the divine towers, it does look a lot like a cataclysmic event occurred. GRRM wrote 5000 years of history, from what I remember, and I kind of feel like it starts with that event

[@flunkiebubs2002]

I definitely believe the giant skulls in Caelid are the ancestors of the fire giants, they were so massive that they could wade through the sea like a pond.

[@launcelotdulake8075]

I imagine the really huge giants were the ones who built those massive pillar and arch structures which the lands almost seem to be formed on top of. The giants and their descendants become smaller with each successive age, so the huge ones must have been some of the earliest life to ever rise from the primordial chaos.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

That might be the case. I mostly agree with Tarnished Achaeologist's theory that it was a meteorite which killed the 'titans' as he calls them. I just disagree with the explanation about the divine towers.

[@665Sunshine]

Morgott actually had a few children. Morgson, Margwyn, Morgfrey, Margefroy, Morgrick, & Margen Thee Stallion

[@tylermatthew378]

rannis two fingers are blue because she didnt serve the greater will, she served the dark moon

[@DylNewman]

Your last point: No one is “born,” during the golden order. Everyone was born from the tree. Also both Mohg and Morgott were banished beneath Leyndell.

[@DylNewman]

Just finished the point, whoops.

[@xRickAstleyx]

i like how most of this video is you making assumptions that dont make any sense, then calling that a mystery

[@MIKlLLA]

What part of "conspiracy" do you not understand you dog

[@Razhork]

Rude, but not entirely wrong. The "mystery" behind both the meteorites and golden lineage pretty much stems from disagreeing with the most likely answers because they find it "not satisfying".

[@biggus3461]

audio is very quiet