Stars in Elden Ring are extremely confusing, or, a deep dive into Glintstone and related topics.

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This video was supposed to be about stars, but turned into something about Glintstone, and how it may be completely unrelated to stars. Anyways, enjoy!

[@cornthdl]

That Thumbnail with Sagan is well played.

[@blakebailey22]

I just find it hard to believe that glintstone doesn't come from space given how much "star" and "cosmos" etc are mentioned in relation to them. I think they did indeed come from meteorites, but they didn't leave big impact craters like the golden ones did. They fell more like shrapnel, and then grew on earth or underground similarly to how crystals grow in our world.

[@JohnnyFedora1]

I never noticed the glintstone seeming to grow out of skeletal remains. It actually looks quite similar to the boss rooms in the crypts, where dead bodies are reabsorbed into the Erdtree roots. Considering what the Tarnished Archeologist has put together regarding the cycle of life in the Lands Between, I think you're onto something with the idea that another outer god (or similar entity/force) is involved here - though perhaps not one actively interested in the Lands Between at all.

[@Xandros999]

All the lifeforce has to go somewhere, right? Maybe that's what happens if you don't return to the Erdtree.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

I don't know if an outer god may be involved, but it may just be that the sorcerers don't ascribe consciousness to what they as a natural, scientifically explainable phenomenon, and thus don't think of Glintstone as a 'God' But then there is the mysterious creator of the crystalians, so maybe?

[@valofthenorth475]

I am sad you didn't mention Red Glintstone, because it's a very interesting category that isn't very widespread and is cultivated directly with organic matter, in this case blood. I do think it could potentially strengthen your case about all Glintstone. "Set with red glintstones said to be formed by the blood of sacrifices." - Alberich's Robe It seems to have connection to aberrant/thorn sorceries, reviled by the Academy, and those are directly tied to a "Blood Star" of sorts... some people jumped to the conclusion it was the Formless Mother again, but it might be an equivalent that exists within the Primeval Current. Though interestingly enough, the only other thing adorned with Red Glintstone besides Alberich's set is the Gelmir Staff... wonder why that is... On the topic of Alberich, he does seem to be growing Red Glintstone out of his head like Azur and Lusat. It's only visible if you alter his hat though. I find it quite fascinating, and I am surprised the game never even seems to mention it ahah

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

Yeah, I was thinking about including that, but ultimately decided against it because the video is already kind of ramble-ey. But yeah, red Glintstone being created directly from blood is its own kind of rabbit hole. Also, that it seems to be related to the firemonks (The firemonks are meant to control the thorn sorcerers in some way.) The thorns are indications of guilt. Also, how does Alberich use the blood thorns if he can still see? There are endless ways to interpret glintstone in this game.

[@tyhussein]

@@theeldenconspiracy9451I just gave this a few mins if thought and came to a few conclusions. I think it all boils down to life energy/vitality being the key, with the color indicating the source of said energy. I think all the various forms of glintstone are vitality given form through a rite of fire. From humans it would be blood. From a star that would be radiation imo. Blue glintstone coming from stars, teal from comets and red from humans. The speed and impact would create the necessary fire to transmute the comets into glintstone which would probably act like obsidian and shatter upon impact, leaving extremely tough crystal shards lodged deep into the earth (like our crystal friends were made of). Which is why we don’t see impacts like the golden meteorites from the GW. The materials are different and would leave different impact scars. Radiation being the energy of the glintstone would also track with why it seems to infect everything it touches, especially since everything in the lands between seems to have a life force, even the very earth.

[@tyhussein]

I’m at the 5:21 mark but based off of the Japanese translation, I believe the amber may be the same amber Miquella replaced the Glintstone with on his Knight Sword. If I recall correctly the blade was said to be “ill-fated” which would line up here perfectly. I really appreciate the Japanese direct translation for Sellen’s dialogue as it connected some plot points I couldn’t reconcile. Namely our not so friendly old sage Gowry’s mention about the creator of the Golden Needle having an understanding of the essence of life. I believe Miquella may have naturally embodied the principles Radagon & then later Goldmask were striving for. Harmony between FTH/INT without interference from the outer gods.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

Yeah, I think you are correct. The Golden Amber tends to appear in the form of Grace. We don't get a lot of looks at solid amber, except maybe weapons like the Golden Order Great Sword. Neither the Greater Will nor the Elden Beast are ever referred to as "Outer Gods." Yet both of them seem to have originated in the outer cosmos. The origin of Miquella's unalloyed gold is far more mysterious.

[@ariokhthio190]

@@theeldenconspiracy9451 the term outer God may refer to how certain religion refer to other beliefs as Pagan.. derive from Paganus - Pagus (area outside the city), they're called outer God maybe because they're from different pantheon.

[@Wicked_Knight]

@@theeldenconspiracy9451 I dont know to me it sounds more like the amber could be what Sellena knows runes as. Both seems to come from death with glintstone being the tainted outcome from the scarlet rot and runes are the pure outcome touched by grace. You could even reason that the runes dropped by those infected with scarlet rot is the remaining purness granted by grace that the rot couldnt infect/replace. I believe this based off the idea that the central allegory to the game is about death. Theres much more to my theory but for now may the guidence of grace serve you well and may you ever see its glistening glow.

[@Xandros999]

The amber we are to retrieve for Seluvis is found under a statue of Miquella and Malenia. Was it once his or hers fate? It's up in the air whose fate has been robbed, but afaik it resembles a starlight shard.

[@ariokhthio190]

@@Wicked_Knight i assume rune is in everything as in binary system of zero and one that can make up something, the elden ring is basically a device that govern all the rune, when marika pluck rune of death it's like she remove a program or maybe a registry file and boom it fkd up everything.

[@eamonmcandrews7707]

I wonder if the purple glintstone in the meteoric staff is like the "core" of the meteorite, the gravity stone fans and chunks are pieces of the much larger rock imbued with its gravitational magic like the artifacts of the dragon cult that are imbued with lightning as a natural phenomenon. It would explain the "said to be," as meteorites are rare and purple glintstones, the heart of great meteorites, even rarer and only heard of in myth as meteors stopped falling long ago and every glintstone drained of its residual life or was harvested long ago. It explains why the starcallers, who spend their lives scavenging meteor fields, only find the scraps of stone left. Also look at the olivinus glinstone crown description. "The lineage of the Olivinus Conspectus began with the sorcerer Lusat, and its adherents continue his study of meteors." What is interesting is that the Raya Lucarians research not meteorites, but meteors. What could be the importance of this distinction? Well, lets see what the olivinus conspectus spells say: "Fire 3/6/12 magic/dark shooting stars." Stars of Ruin changes the verbiage from "magic" to "dark," so what else does it say? "When Lusat glimpsed into the primeval current, he beheld the final moments of a great star cluster, and upon seeing it, he too was broken." To me, this says something very very interesting. Lusat saw the death of stars, and they *darkened* and as they died. The meteorite staff's glintstone is specifically referred to as a "*Dark* purple Glintstone." The Wing of Astel and Bastard's stars summon "A dark cloud of stars that lingers briefly before exploding." When Astel creates stars that quickly die, they are *dark purple* in color. Meteors are *dead* stars, drained of residual life, which is why the staff cannot be strengthened. The Starcallers can only find a finite number of scraps unlike the sorcerers which resonate with the life in their glintstones and make it stronger and perpetuate it. The onyx and alabaster lords weapons and magic, born from the death and indeed the corpses of stars, are ideal of course for killing stars. Why shouldn't it be? The fingerslayer blade, born from a corpse of something or someone full of gold, similarly is ideal for killing servants of gold.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

That's actually a really cool interpretation. It makes you wonder what has to die in order to create meteorites and astels. A live star would be a being a pure light, just chillin in the cosmos. That could also explain the distinction between the gravity meteorites and the starlight shard meteorite which struck the cathedral of Manus Celes.

[@seracris8357]

Meteorites being dead stars sounds kinda brilliant to me. There's also the "Astel, Stars of Darkness" boss. And the Elden Beast uses the same spell, summoning dark, purple clouds of stars which explode after a moment. The force of the stars death as a weapon. The colour purple is also often associated with death in the game.

[@NewQuinnProductions]

One of the best thumbnails I've ever seen.

[@supermassive242]

Awesome video. Almost knocked me outta my chair with that Xenosaga ost usage. It's amazing to see another fan.

[@tito3213211]

Absolutely fascinating and thorough exploration of glintstone, The Elden Ring Conspiracy does it again ❤

[@Sadvillain22]

I love these videos because they're giving off the same feeling I get when I think about old nature documentary VHS tapes I watched as a kid

[@odieumnonoya6540]

Might be the best thumbnail 8n elden ringing! Great vid.

[@tylersmythe8216]

Great video. There's still so much work to do with before the dlc comes out. This channel is on the same level of quality as Tarnish Archeology.

[@miketherecliner]

Bro this is amazing, I quite enjoy your intellect, you make great content.

[@newskool888]

I love convoluted journeys!, also where is that awesome intro?

[@DomPreciso]

Great work, happy to see someone new swing at the big leagues!

[@d.robinson6262]

I watched all the more popular channels, you had information in here none of them mentioned. A ton. Please give us more of your takes

[@JakeSymbolASMR]

“Upload their consciousness into glintstone”

[@Xandros999]

Okay, the primal glintstone blade says "theirs" which in the sentence structure implicitly refers to the sorcerers themselves. But we access it by reconciling two jellyfish girls who seem to have met their ends at a young age. The implication here is much more sinister.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

I TOTALLY FORGOT THAT. That does make it much more sinister. The early sorcerers weren't great people.

[@sleepyjackdaw]

“In our world,” said Eustace, “a star is a huge ball of flaming gas.” “Even in your world, my son, that is not what a star is but only what it is made of. And in this world you have already met a star: for I think you have been with Coriakin." (C. S. Lewis, The Voyage of the Dawn Treader) Although I can't deny that "space" in the sense we think of it did exist in (say) the medieval mind, I'm nonetheless drawn to the notion that it's wrong to overlay a modern understanding of the cosmos over a world so clearly influenced by myth, alchemy, and historical world-pictures. As many loretubers have noted, there's a distinct aquatic theme lurking behind night, death, and the Nox. Perhaps the Primeval Current is a current in a more literal sense than we imagine. Another thought that haunts me is that the underworld of the game has a separate sea and vast petrified forests -- something it seems we have no accounting for. It's as if worlds can be stacked on top of each other, turtles on turtles, far past reckoning. If so, is the "real" night sky also some kind of distant sea? I've no hard evidence, but I *want* there to be something strange about the cosmology of this game.

[@Xandros999]

I take the underworld as evidence that sometimes what was on the surface in the past can end up underground. My personal headcanon/ working theory/ takewithagrainofsalt is that civilizations who doesn't agree with Marikas rule gets yeeted underground or up in the sky and the onyx and alabaster lords may be agents of that destruction.

[@nothanks9503]

I think the staff of loss has a glintstone but it’s invisible look closely at it there’s a receptacle for a glintstone at the top it’s become my main staff so I’ve spent a lot of time looking at it

[@ariokhthio190]

Crystal in real life can have inclusion, maybe scarlet rot and soul is some type of inclusion in some sense. also in gemology there is term like allochromatic mean if crystal is in it purest form it simply colorless or clear, the color they get is from trace elements outside of their chemical composition, we can say the same for glinstone as well.. i think..

[@aifos5171]

10:02 small correction, the juvenile scholars you fight during Rennala first phase use gravity magic to hit you with books and other things, their magic has the purple hue

[@coreyrachar9694]

that thumbnail though....

[@ThiagoCRocha-fh6lg]

A very curious thing I noticed using this hypothesis to compare with the Lore of Bloodborne: In bloodborne the Choir though of diferent dimentions first and very later noticed the cosmos as a outer space from Earth. While here you present the argument for the opposite. In both scenarios, the discovery lead to madness and a arrogance to persue the truth at all costs.

[@ihaveouid3518]

No Elden Conspiracy intro? My heart hurts

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

I literally just forgot😆

[@filthykumdumstr7190]

Introducing the newest edition to the juggalo fam Sagan the sorceror!!

[@erneset594]

Ban of the primeval current sorcerers may be tied to Radagon and Rennala marriage: glintstone practice of rebirth encroaches on Erdtree rebirth monopoly? Thank you for the new great video!

[@DavidVallner]

I always figured Liurnia is the way it is because Founding Rain of Stars describes the first sorcery every cast - an astrologer seeing a meteor shower, “communing” with this cosmic phenomenon (these may be the same thing in the ER world), and causing it to happen before him too, embedding the glintstone crystals in the ground. (Which then kinda grow being vaguely alive.)

[@DavidVallner]

Having watched this, my copout is that instead of a meteor shower it was a similar phenomenon with whatever type of star-matter glintstone is. Maybe he saw a star pooping?

[@steel811]

Something I have been wondering recently is the lands between flat

[@Ghost51325]

Glintstone in this game reminds me of Tiberium from the C&C series

[@arthurdossantos6826]

The staff of loss's glintstone is probably invisible, since the main characteristic of night sorceries can't transparent or translucent.

[@ethanrumley746]

I knew it The Elden Beast is Seathe

[@___.51]

Water, fire, air and dirt, fuckin magnets, how do they work???

[@allthe1]

I love this theory! Caracters like Sellen and Ranni sound like jibber-jabber to me, even though their questlines are entertaining. Thanks for making sense and applying some fine critical thinking to their story line!

[@eamonmcandrews7707]

Also food for thought: in your first video you said miquella was the reincarnation of st trina. However, I would put up for consideration the possibility of another god, one with white winged maidens as its envoys, reincarnated into a young boy but with signs of his true nature shining through. Dreams and sleep are often linked to death and have been since prehistory, and miquella according to all we know including the dlc teaser was a spirit tuner and master of torrent. Eternal adolescence is a euphemism for the death of a child-- think about the nascent butterfly, emerging from its cocoon and never aging. Stillbirth.

[@mikhailthegreatestdragon3627]

Stillbirth kinda makes no sense when you consider Miquella is meant to represent an abundance of life. That and there isn't really anything wing related that could mix the two together, if anything Miquella's St Trina alter-ego gives connection to Dark Souls more than the lance referring to the winged maidens.

[@eamonmcandrews7707]

​@@mikhailthegreatestdragon3627 What does the game tell us about life without death? It stagnates. It grows weak. It is the opposite of abundant. The Erdtree has no bounty anymore. The windmill villages have began worshipping the godskins and are the most vibrant and seemingly well-fed and "alive" of the commoners, an obvious connection to death bringing abundance. Miquella is always depicted in white robes, contrasting his mother Marika who wears all black. His depiction in the opening cinematic being carried away by mohg has what appears to be small wings, and he seals himself in a cocoon. What is a cocoon? Its a vessel to grow wings. St. Trina doesn't directly reference or connect to the scythe youre absolutely right, but the motif and idea of sleep and death being connected or the same is one that has featured in mythologies as well as modern media, and its in the game. You fight the lichdragon fortissax in a dream. Fia gives the spirits rest by taking them abed. Rogier likens his oncoming death to a deep, fathomless slumber. Its not for sure, but the fact that Miquella as St. Trina is associated with dreams as well as with the dead as a spirit tuner and master of torrent can't be a coincidence.

[@mikhailthegreatestdragon3627]

@@eamonmcandrews7707 See, that would make sense if there wasn't already someone holding a monopoly over stagnation as a concept, which is more noticeable when said someone is Miquella's own sister (who even brings up life in her own manner with the kindred of rot). His theming has always been of burgeoning life, to the point where even his cut voicelines infer it. Plus, the statement of him being a Spirit Tuner is probably closer to his charms rather than any real connection to death as a likener to sleep, cause by that logic Frederika should have a theme of death but if anything hers is more akin to rebirth. Death might be around the corner, but at this point it's so circumstantial you're probably targeting the next game's lore rather than the actual characters.

[@eamonmcandrews7707]

@@mikhailthegreatestdragon3627 Is rot stagnation in Elden ring, or is it simply another kind of cycle of life and death that is not and can never be understood by the people outside of it? "Though men might recognize the keen intellect of the pests evidenced by this spear's uncanny design, it will never be understood by them." Rot is "stagnation" to humans but unlike what has become of the stagnant order of the erdtree it is an actual living breathing order, just one incompatible with us. The spirit tuners use flowers growing in catacombs to comfort the dead. "Since times of old, large gloveworts were used to comfort heroic spirits. Given in tribute to those who died the most glorious of deaths, in the hope their stories would become legend." Times of old, given to those who died the most glorious of deaths... reminds me of the branchswords, associated with the old death rite. "The heart sings when one draws close to death, and a glorious end awaits those who cling so tenaciously to life." Spirit tuning also doesn't seem at all common or orthodox in the lands between. Ranni, queen of the occult, gives us miquellas bell. Its a conversation between the living and the dead, when the dead are meant to return expediently to the erdtree. Spirits and tuners are the only remnants of the death rite that is acceptable and its because theyve rewritten history about it. Also, Miquellas goals are abundance. That doesn't mean he has no connection to an outer god of death; in fact, he is explicitly trying his damndest to purge both him and his sister of the influence of their respective outer gods. By growing in a cocoon, he is attempting to shed his "stillborn" status. However life without death is the mistake his mom made so we'll see how that goes, maybe by purging all influence of the outer god of death he can create a system that doesn't rely on it at all? he'll probably just die though.

[@KissyKaede]

To all the Elden Ring haters out there: find any other game with this level of discussion and speculation, I'll wait.

[@dmitriyn7695]

В японском тексте есть чёткое разделение метеоров и метеоритов. Фиолетовое - метеориты. Голубое - метеоры. В японском описании звёздного дождя чётко сказано, что история блестящих камней началась с дождя метеоров пролившегося на землю.

[@davidfrancisco3502]

I watched a spanish youtuber who made the theory that an empyrean ascends to godhood by absorbing the previous queen-goddess in body, mind and soul.

[@sneekmuch]

Graven mass talisman - The primeval current is a forbidden tradition of glintstone sorcery. To those who cleave to its teachings, the act of collecting sorcerers to fashion them into the seeds of stars is but another path of scientific inquiry. I’ve always thought the graven mass was like a horrible outcome of accessing the primeval current. So because it’s dangerous enough to potentially turn sorcerers into these things it’s taboo.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

The question is, what are they trying to achieve? Becoming a Graven Mass seems like a very consistent outcome, from what we can tell.

[@ItachiUchiha-br8ig]

All the stars move in the same direction meaning there is no central sun in space because our the trajectory is constant without rotation, the sun of the day must be in the sky itself o.O Godwin flayed soul perhaps.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

I checked the arc of the sun's movement, and it goes from the North-East to the South-West, if I remember correctly. What's even weirder is that in Farum Azula, the sun is frozen in the East. Indicating that at some point in the past, the sun was knocked off-kilter somehow. But definitely, all the sun imagery, combined with the fact it is never mentioned explicitly by anyone in the game, could make for its own video.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

Also, the armillary spheres in Raya Lucaria show the Moon at the center of the solar(lunar?) system in which the Lands Between is situated. Something I forgot to mention in this video. I just adds another layer of weirdness, especially when we consider that there are multiple moons which don't seem to move with the rest of the sky and just show up whenever they please.

[@minespatch]

I was planning on watching the Hugbees video talking about ICP's Miracles... Then I realized this is a different youtuber. 😆

[@eldenringpvpenthusiast1710]

Fun fact, marika had nothing but a stone half bowl looking "bed" and tablets to "read" but I believe she is blind and feels the tablets with her hands/fingers. But her bed kinda looks like those other half stone bowls with the shards near them. I'm pretty sure tarnished archaeologists has a video on her role, but its interesting to pretend your in her shoes and see what amenities she has access to. Basically nothing besides a stone bed, stone tablets and the erdtree. Reminds me a lot of the pthumarian queen from bloodborne. A bound queen used to have gods babies, and I think similar to how starlight shards fall to those half stone bowls, something similar is happening with marika and her bed

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

Really makes you wonder why Marika's "bed" is shaped somewhat like one of the stone astrolabes. That collecting the light, or amber, of the Erdtree is similar to collecting starlight from the stars. But then, what would be the cause of Erdtree religion's opposition to the stars?

[@GoulaLegamer]

why tf would glintstone grow out of dead bodies ?

[@twodumbgamers9285]

The tarnished archaeologist has a video about the divine towers. Worth a watch I'd say. But the reason I mention it is because in that video he puts forth an idea that the ancient giants, the ones who's skeletons we find coming out from rocks all over the map, may have built the literal ground we see in the game. His evidence is from the massive megalithic black stone arches found all over the southern part of the map. Along with a lot more evidence to back his idea. Something else he brings up is that before the ground was formed to what we see currently he suggests a massive meteor hit in the center of the map where the divine towers surround. But not just one big meteor but also many other smaller ones hit all over the lands. This could be why we find glintstone and the meteors that house the elden beasts underground. Because at the time that they hit the lands between the ground was much much lower than what we see now. This is just my theory and when listening to your video I kept thinking about TA's video about the towers and ancient builders. Could be nothing but I bet it's worth a look into. By the way, you should reach out to TA. I could definitely get behind a collaboration with you two! Well done!