Eleanor: How NOT to write a Villain (Extra Salty)

[@Sonicmid]

In my personal opinion Eleanor really should have just remained as a one-off character not this big villain who kills "Agony Afton"

[@EighmyLupin]

This^ To Be Beautiful was fine as a stand alone story. Not great, but fine. Even if we accepted she was this universes version of Baby/Elizabeth there was no reason her to suddenly turn on daddy, the person shes obsessed with pleasing, to become the "Big Bad" of the story

[@mongoissupremos1843]

To me the best Fazbear Frights story is Count the Ways. The reason why is: It adds this sadistic level to the Funtime Freddy character and it matches his ingame persona quite well. Not only that, but i was actually scared of this version of him, relentless, evil, enjoys the turmoil of Millie. It's a great spooky story.

[@wyster14]

Tbh I love Count the Ways, but my favorite horror story is The Man in Room 1208. The story is genuinely unsettling to me, in comparison to many of the others which aren’t really unsettling

[@spookyjosh158]

Yesssss omfg it’s actually in character and it’s great

[@mongoissupremos1843]

@@wyster14 I would like that story if it didn't imply that the same happened to William from the games

[@lazyguy3212]

Also, there is no “good” outcome. The only way she could escape was by killing herself in the twisted animatronic.

[@madam_fox]

Also I relate to millie

[@Buff_Helpy]

She could've been like an interesting take on Elizabeth, and instead they just made her a generic goosebumps villain, there's so much potential for lore and they squandered it.

[@scottchaison1001]

Don't say stupid things.

[@Buff_Helpy]

@@scottchaison1001 did I say something stupid?

[@GhostlyMoonWitch]

Don’t be rude.

[@demonicinfants]

@@GhostlyMoonWitch they're not being rude, they're critiquing the fnaf series. they're allowed to express negative opinions.

[@GhostlyMoonWitch]

@@demonicinfants I’m taking about scott Chaison, It didn’t tag him for some reason.

[@ShadowMike202]

If I direct the novel To Be Beautiful, I'll rewrite the series with Eleanor replacing Sarah's organs with her classmates that she kidnaps and kills, Sarah then begins to have nightmares being haunted by the souls of her classmates, she still collapses into mush and Eleanor remarks on how the failures she did in her past experiments.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

That's actually an EXTREMELY spooky idea. I love it. :)

[@philipjohnston5822]

DO IT. DO IT PLEASE.

[@jimUkay]

Wait, how did she come to having nightmares to waking up in the morning to become a pile of mush on the side of her bed? 😐 Where did this random idea come from and why did it happened?

[@Vigriff]

Perhaps Scott should hire you to write his stories.

[@Ms.Butters_Lover]

That could work imagine where Eleanor replaces Sarah's Body parts with the ones of the female classmates Sarah wants to be like where slow Sarah became a mixture of all the perfection that she seen in all her classmates. how I would write the climax when she finds her parts is that as she looking around she finds different body parts of her classmates that she recognized that are put into the garage bags in her garaged as realize what going on she find out one of her perfect features are from her childhood friend which scares her as she falls part she see herself in the mirror a body made of different body parts that don't belong to her. ( I am not the best writing but I think is would work on make the horror aspect more scary and also make Eleanor seem more sinister.

[@someperson6672]

"The scariest thing about the fourth closet was the graphic novel cause we almost got a glimpse of William Afton with his shirt of" 😭😂✋ YOU DID HIM SO DIRTY AND I COMPLETELY AGREE 😂

[@justkris2374]

Glad im not the only one laughing their ass off with that line. It was deserved tbh😂

[@MalayDea]

Remember Zajcu37? The SFM animator that made FNAF into a surreal adventure fantasy and stuff? Well, Seeing the novels and the fazbear fright books, I'm starting to think they took some inspiration from that guy...

[@doodledevore7745]

Oh GOD, I forgot about him. To be fair, I watched a lot of his videos but, jeez. They are quite uh, interesting.

[@klaus.sfc01official30]

Some!? The books are a substance trip they took so much inspiration added some...18+ things (you know which 3 stories i mean) and uhhh that's it...the stories got worse the longer i read them atleast i learned alot of english through them lol

[@bestianegra3725]

Nah, scott made these books to fill in the holes in fnaf.

[@klaus.sfc01official30]

@@bestianegra3725 are you sure about that

[@bestianegra3725]

@@klaus.sfc01official30 🌝

[@supremedellerior3628]

You know, the saddest part about this isn’t even the fact the you’re completely right about Eleanor. It’s the fact that the example with security breach, and Vanny does actually sound like a twist that could have been in the game.

[@Pygargue00fr]

Fnaf needs a complete rewriting with less sci fy, more horror, like seriously. Scott is trying his best, nothing wrong with that, but it's obious he needs help from a proper expert.

[@MundMoriginal]

Is he actually writing all this? It feels like many people are trying to pull it into different directions at once.

[@Pygargue00fr]

@@MundMoriginal Yeah, aside from the books who are made in collaboration with different autors. Everything Else is kinda made by Scott himself

[@bigman2455]

Scott’s a sci-fi guy, he can’t get enough of it as evidenced in his past games like his coffee maker rpg game but I strongly agree. Fnaf just isn’t built for these weird sci-fi tropes and it’s more efficient as a ghost story.

[@Pygargue00fr]

@@bigman2455 exactly. There's nothing wrong with Sci-fy and wouldn't have been an issue if fnaf has been builded upon the scy-fy asthetics. But it wasn't, fnaf was known for it's dark and mysterious horror storyline, not the story of a depressed man who sought to kill for immortality and of a broken familly with no hope. Not the tale of a old rivalry between two engineers who saught to destroy one another for no goal in the end. Not a tale of crazy experiments and advanced technologies beyond our understanding. This is not what Fnaf is known for. This isn't what made the series that we love. This isn't about Afton and his familly, it was never meant to be! Fnaf is the tale of a trajedy, a tale of childrens violently taken from theirs homes by a monster, an unknown man who's identity shall not be revealed. Now condamned to haunt the very place they once loved! A place of happiness builded specificaly made for them, trapped up untill the one responsable for theirs misery shall perish and suffer a fate worse than death. a beautifully crafted storyline about the struggle of so many lost lives that begans with deaths, suffering and pain, poor little souls that went trought so much, finally achieving peace at the end of theirs journey: Horror and Sci-fy are two distinct genres. It can mix into a perfect balance, but going to far away from what made something good to begin with won't result in anything worthwhile. I wonder if Scott trully understood what his creation brought to so many people, what it trully represented to all of us. Or if he lost himself on the long run trying to please us, himself and whoever has been following this Franchise from it's humble beginings. Fnaf as we knew it is gone. Only kept alive by a community that simply won't let it go. It's love and Stuborness will assure that the Masterfully crafted storyline of the original trilogie shall continue with its fan made content forever, while the official media will continue to frustrate, divide, and give us unsatisfying awnsers to a story that has been suffocating since fnaf 4/5. It shall live on. Just not how we want it to be.....

[@scottchaison1001]

@@Pygargue00fr Don't say stupid things.

[@nyancreeperpony]

As someone who actually likes the Fazbear Frights and Tales From the Pizzaplex books, I agree with a lot of the points you brought up in this video. I think that, honestly, my main problem with Eleanor, as well as Fazbear Frights in general, is that they tried to give the books a gigantic overarching plot where there didn’t need to be. Like, the Fazbear Frights books were supposed to be like the 1990s Goosebumps series. They were supposed to be supernatural stories that were in a self contained universe that were supposed to connect to FNAF in a way whether it be very strongly or extremely loosely. By that logic, they don’t need this overarching book lore. It’s too complicated and honestly a lot of the stuff is just piling up upon an ALREADY complicated canon game lore. The closest thing I can compare Fazbear Frights to is Goosebumps:Horrorland, a series of Goosebumps books that had a similar prologue/epilogue format with their story like Fazbear Frights But there are three reasons that I feel the Horrorland Epilogues work while Fazbear Frights Epilogues don’t is for three reasons. 1.The story mostly takes place in one location, that being Horrorland, for most of the plot, unlike the FF Epilogue which kinda took place wherever the Stitchwrath/the Doctor/The Investigator needed to be. 2, The Horrorland Epilogues were a much more cohesive story that, outside of the prologues, could kinda stand on their own, unlike FF’s epilogues where you need to read the short stories to understand what’s going on. 3. The Horrorland Epilogues put all the Main Characters from the prologue in Horrorland to combat against their respective antagonists. This made it a lot more fun, like this gigantic crossover event between books that kinda rewarded you for paying attention. Fazbear Frights doesn’t do that mainly because you have to read all the stories to know what’s going on. You’re not rewarded for extra credit in FF’s epilogues, you’re just being graded by your knowledge of the study material. Eleanor is fine for what she is, and in my opinion,she’s good in her own stand alone story, but that’s it and that’s how it should be. She should have just been used in “To Be Beautiful” as a counterpart to The Fourth Closet Baby, and that’s it. However, because they tried to keep the overarching plot going, they tried to shoehorn her in at the last minute. And it makes her less fun imo. That’s kinda why I choose to ignore the Epilogues entirely. They’re not needed for us to understand and have fun with each Fazbear Frights story. They’re just a vestigial organ that can just be removed completely with no side effects. They don’t need to be there, and I think that’s what squandered the Book’s potential. TLDR: Fazbear Frights is just better if you just read each story as unconnected things from each other, like canon fanfiction. Doing otherwise will just give you a headache.

[@aegisScale]

Man the moment I heard of those disks and the possibility they exist in the games made me check out. It's like a goddamn cop out.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Oh, it's totally a writer's crutch.

[@critrabbit8975]

The HORRENDOUS thing is they could have actually been a pretty good source of tension. COULD have. You could lay little subtle hints around. Times where the discs malfunction and we get the tiniest glimpse that something isn't right. They could've changed it where the imposer comments on something the main character never said. It wouldn't work in a visual novel since people would be able to see what was happening. Put it in a novel, have the reader's imagination filling in most of the blanks. That's pretty much how fnaf started, with the open lore and such. Build on that paranoia. Keep upping the tension. Play with the character's mental state. Turn their friends against them. What's real? What's fake? Was that cup always there?! Something creaked in the house! Oh god, I'm going to die, I'm going to die, I'm going to die! We make EVERYONE seem suspicious as the book goes on. Our character's psyche is gradually decaying and we slowly follow their descent. Describing their downward spiral juuuust enough to be a little noticable, but fine. An unreliable narrator who doesn't even know it. In the beginning we get some other perspectives than them, but as the book goes on, we focus more on them. The last chapter that comes from a friend's point of view is a meeting where they're convinced its fine, just a temporary thing they're going through. I guess a theoretical good version- or at least, something that wasn't horrendous- was not having them show up WAAAAAAY more often than they needed to be. HEY EVERYONE, YOU WANT SOME IMITATION DISCS? HOW ABOUT YOU, YOU WANT SOME IMITATION DISCS? EVERYONE'S GETTING IMITATION DISCS!

[@GanonGhidorah]

-Epilogue in a Nutshell _Who's been messing up everything~_ _It's been Eleanor all along~_ _Who's been pulling every evil string~_ _It's been Eleanor all along~_ _She's insidious~_ _So Perfidious~_ _That you haven't even noticed~_ _and the Pity-is, the pity-is, pity-pity-pity-pity~_ _It's too late to fix anything~_ _Now that everything has gone wrong~_ _Thanks to Eleanor, HA~ (Naughty-Eleanor~)_ _It's been Eleanor All Along~_ Eleanor: "-And I killed Phone-Guy too~" *wicked laugh I couldn't resist...

[@KaylieghHereford]

Haha, this is amazing!

[@JayRedGear]

Eleanor's trying to be like the Reverse Flash and Dio. "You thought it was Afton or the other animatronics that were tormenting the people in the novels but it was I, Eleanor!!"

[@Ethan-yu2jb]

I'm so happy that scott confirmed that most of fazbear freight aren't canon

[@skrub_king]

I was going to say that she was like Doofenshmirtz (it's said that she's "evil" and she does relatively bad things) but at least Doof has a proper backstory and reason for everything.

[@M4x4r0ni]

And doofenshmirtz is an entertaining humorous character to the point that you actually root for him at points.

[@YEY0806]

​@M4x D4350n difference being that he was built up through a series whereas Elanor only had one main short story

[@momoapples]

Doof isn't even evil fr too, he genuinely loves his daughter and cares for Perry

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

Illusion disks are weird. The way it seemed to be during TFC and the way it should've stayed is that they don't exactly do much unless they're 'coded' to something, not in their own programming or whatever, but in the way that whatever's being changed has to be built to be compatable. The Twisted animatronics, Elizabeth-from-the-books, Ella, the junk down in that massive subterranean pizzeria under Charlie's house, whatever - it's all made for use with the illusion disks. Stuff that _isn't_ made for use with them or is damaged in such a way to render it no longer compatible just doesn't change. The disk is only part of the answer. But, alas, Scott didn't seem to use it like that, he just kept simplifying it until it wasn't even much of a concept anymore.

[@Halloweenish]

Sarah: Eleanor is beautiful! Eleanor: 😊 / / / / / / / / / / / / / /

[@EighmyLupin]

The funny thing about Illusion Disc's is that everyone says "Wow that's so crazy and out there" But 1 Haunted Robots and a Zombie dude in a Bunnysuit are pretty out there too and 2 While FNAF version is definitely more powerful, the tech for Illusion Discs are actually a real thing, so they are far more grounded in reality than point 1.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

I think it's how the discs work don't make much sense. Basically the sound causes a person to have hallucinations, and while the books says it makes them see what they 'think' they should see, they also sometimes show whatever the person/robot using the disc wants them to show, even though these discs are not shown being programmed on the fly. And that's not even taking into accounted the whole brainwashing through beepings scenario. XD At least in the robots and zombies this links with the concept of ghosts and spirituality. A lot of folks believe in the concept of human souls, so the idea that these souls are able to puppeteer an object isn't as out-there. At least, it's so common in media that it doesn't take much extra thought.

[@kidkap4]

It would’ve been pretty creepy if Eleanor pretended to be, like, random family members of people she was bugging. Like the reader and the victim never know who’s really their friend and who’s just Eleanor in disguise. Do some psychological horror with her manipulating the scientists or the cops or even William. She could mess with William, prove she’s “eviller” or “worse” by manipulating him, make him think that Michael or Elizabeth or Unnamed Third Child is there haunting him. There are so many possibilities for horror with a character who can functionally look like anything. She could have shown up as Henry, or as William himself, like in UCN dying to Afton! The possibilities are endless, the story could have been so cool! So creepy! It could’ve been great :/

[@CarlytheWolf23]

Literally Eleanor: We do a little trolling.

[@benwelsh5265]

The idea of this creature that is the literal embodiment of all the agony and tragedies that have happened in the FNAF universe being the Big Bad is actually a really cool sounding one. Such a shame Fazbear Frights completely bolloxed it. I'm not sure what the writers were even going for with this weird Bizzaro alternate universe FF seems to be set in when truthfully it would've been far more interesting if Scott had just done what he literally said the books were going to do and fill in the blanks of the past in the timeline of the actual games. At least that's sort of what's happening now with the new series Tales From the Pizzaplex but even that series has much of the same flaws as Frights i.e. wildly inconsistent quality of stories and just generally unambitious stories that don't feel remotely close to anything resembling FNAF. It's a shame because if any franchise benefits from the medium of books it would be FNAF.

[@realmcarthy]

Honestly, To Be Beautiful is the freakiest Fazbear Frights story because of how relatable it is. So many young girls around Sara’s age are extremely vulnerable about their looks and would do anything to, well, be beautiful.

[@supotter377]

True but I really think they shouldn’t have connected it to fnaf then made Eleanor the big bad for the entire book series though it just makes no sense

[@Da-C0ry]

what a long, elaborated way to describe a mary sue

[@vitoriangamer7807]

Eleanor saying she was most of the villains the entire time feels like the “I was always there” line from Puss in boots, but instead of being the creepy one from death it’s the silly one from humpty

[@froggitgang]

Her literally being a disguise of LITERALLY everyone is such a cartoon gag. I see this joke/gag in so many children cartoons that do it better.

[@tessfabled4115]

I really wish she'd worn Sarah's skin tbh, would have been a nice Ennard reference, and also kind of give Eleanor a motivation? Like make her a creation of this scientist, whose daughter actually died and she is a pseudo-recreation of her (novel trilogy reference). However the scientist was horrified/dissatisfied with the results and threw her out- hence why she's in the dump in the first place. Her motivation is she just wants to be loved (as she was abandoned), hence her taking on other peoples' identities, but this only lasts as long before their bodies begin to decay substantially (you can say she has an illusion disc but it's not magic, she has to wear the corpse suit, disc just makes the person look alive lol) and she has to move onto the next one. So basically functions as a darker parallel to Charlie in the novels?

[@aha2384]

i wish we could just, get rid of the eleanor arc in the stitchwraith stories, now that the game released and new fans are coming in i keep arguing with people about what pit bonnie is and now i'm even getting comments like "Eleanor created Pit bonnie" and it's frustrating, i love this book series but god damn it. as some other comments stated, Eleanor should've really just been a one-off character. I want my silly little murderous sharp-toothed bunny man to be a manifestation of william's agony, not "eleanor in disguise" or "eleanor's creation"

[@tapseymoth803]

The only reason Im even slightly okay with the necklace is because I can make jokes about it being scp 963 it was just Dr Bright “Screwing with the timeline”. Thus why Dr Bright is now banned from ghost writing for children’s books ^^

[@tomaszhallay6653]

The fact that Scott makes the most awesome and potentially super scary concepts, and then either completely butchers them, or does jack shit with them is mind boggling. Like, there's a massive spider like monster that constantly emits a horrific static, a demonic shadowy beast helping a child murderer and being capable of haunting dreams, a massive metallic fox who lures and kidnaps children with the use of mimicking voices and freezing people with magnets, a wire-worm-serpent-thing that is just terror incarnate, a powerful shapeshifter who can turn people into rusted metal and put some sort of Greek ass curses on them, a literal cryptid and a hyper-violent skeleton who can copy behaviours just by catching a glimpse of them as well as twisting it's body to look nothing like itself. You'd think Scott would utilize any of these concepts, but no! The spider robot is just a replacment for a fox robot and they dissapear in the very next game, the demonic beast just dissapeared after 4, the fox was merged into the afermentioned worm-serpent-wire beast who is ALSO killed in the very next game, the shapesifter just comes out of nowhere, takes credit for everything and just couldn't be more boring and dull (seriously, Eleanor makes the writing on Scrap Baby look good and organic), the cryptid is only used to drive theorists insane whther or not the books are canon or not, and the hyper-violent copycat exists exclusivley so that the writers have an excuse of bringing an earlier, oversued and pointless villain back but being able to completely defuse any criticism. Golly gee, sure seems like Scott and Steel Wool either think that nobody will care for anything that isn't a clown or a rabbit (despite the fact that people took his dumbass bear seriously for a decade), or are only using said ideas as a writing crutch when an aspect of the story is criticized.

[@kirbyridingyoshi28]

wait, who's the cryptid?

[@tomaszhallay6653]

@@kirbyridingyoshi28 Golden Freddy, the resident Eldritch horror

[@SamiTheAnxiousBean]

illusion discs were pretty balanced in the twisted ones as pretty much all they did was turn the animatronics that looked simplistic and unpainted into something way more terrifying but in the books....hoo boy Deus Ex Machina pretty much they can do anything and everything Eleanor is a case of a badly executed villain that...keeps coming back she's literally just the big bad who wants to rule the world and cause misery....for the sake of just doing it

[@critrabbit8975]

William Afton after- Sister Location, I wanna say? Just the games, though.

[@SamiTheAnxiousBean]

@@critrabbit8975 we all know fnaf should have ended story wise at 7 (With UCN just being a non canon bonus like the other custom nights)

[@LadyBern]

I dreaded FNAF extending into books because I knew they just had to explain things. Occam's razor was the golden rule that sadly got tossed aside to explain things and the explanations bore more questions than answers

[@Sophia-if7zk]

I think the problem with Eleanor is she shows the rushed nature of fazbear frights like I think they were just going to make her a one time villain but where it was the final they look for a villain and choose a villain from the first book which was her and now to show that she the “real villain” and put her books where she didn’t belong like you could bring her back in a squeal for to be beautiful like maybe Sarah friend Abby from the book find Sarah dead body reports it to the police and now Eleanor is after her it could be a fine of bringing her back without ruining the series you make her in.Also not make her look like baby and not make her name like Elizabeth that my take.

[@nametheocmaker]

i had a dream with eleanor in it once, i walked into a school, and one of the staff members lured me into a room, before revialing they were eleanor in disguise, then i somehow suplexed eleanor, and then told her she was a terrible character, before leaving a very satisfying dream honestly

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

I once had a dream I chased Springtrap with a shovel while he was spider-crawling around a warehouse. XD

[@LolManI-75]

What the hell was Scott thinking when he made the books? Now he's considering the books to be canon to the games. I think Scott's gone mad honestly.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Not sure what was going on with the whole Eleanor plot, but a few of the Fazbear Frights books have plots that came out of the Goosebumps rolodex. Considering Scholastic makes both... might not be a coincidence. Might be a 'same ghost writers' situation.

[@tanzilatabassum4916]

No hate to him, but yeah.

[@darkdoubloontv8906]

I don't have problems with characters being pure evil because they simply like it. Some of my favorite villains are just evil, simple as. The problem with Eleanor is that they don't even say that she's doing it because it's fun, her motivations and end goals change willy nilly from each appearance she has. It feels like they just wanted a new villain and had to somehow tie all the stories together and randomly just poorly retconned her into them.

[@danninmatthews5640]

I have a version of To Be Beautiful with Eleanor proving Sarah more self confidence, inspired by Bionicpig's mention of the show called What You Wear. Plus, maybe To Be Beautiful could be a parallel between Ennard and Elizabeth.

[@genoamiibo]

i love the more sci fi horror aspects that sister location brought to the series however, it needed more time to become grounded within the universe. i feel like they were implemented and shoved into the lore way too quickly in a way that made them super unbelievable in universe. like give people time to digest the new direction and all of the extra lore that comes with it instead of going 0 to 100

[@j.a.m.m]

Yeah, Eleanor being retroactively put in other stories and the illusion discs being so powerful sounds like a sketch at this point

[@yeahok8259]

I don’t think that the point of the Fazbear Fright stories was to expand upon any canon storylines, or to make sense with other elements of the series other than some major themes, characters, and events. It’s a Goosebumps-esque series that intends to chill the reader, each story having its own unique twist and flair. While a reader might have differing opinions from story to story, I believe that this series does what it’s meant to do in that it takes you for a ride each time. Having Eleanor become relevant later on and having different characters like Lonely Freddy and Plushtrap Chaser be connected to her felt genuinely cool to me, so I appreciated that twist when it came around. I do agree that many elements of the FF series don’t always make sense if you’re an English teacher, but as a mere audience member, I found the chaotic, scary manner in which the series proceeded to be both entertaining and nerve-wracking. I don’t think that any of these elements make it a weak or poorly written series. Now, you could definitely argue these points for the MAIN series books, as they were essentially written to give more backstory to canon (despite differing greatly from the game storyline).

[@soulbound2]

Agreed except for the mainline Scott always stated from the begining that the mainline silver eyes books where never canon to the games and just for fun

[@mrsurge4789]

To me, it feels like the series was intended to be random spooky non-canon spin-offs and as Scott wrote it, decided to add parallels as to what happened in the games for fans to discover as little fun Easter eggs

[@sonic8005]

The first Fazbear Frights books actively symbolizes where I fell off of the FNAF franchise and stopped giving money actually. Up until that point I owned every book, owned pretty much every figure all the way until the Pizzeria Simulator figures... even most of the plush toys... but yeah, that had to be my dropoff point with me thinking poorly on basically all three stories. To Be Beautiful was the darkest by far but it felt way too... fantastical to be fitting in with the canon. Even Count The Ways felt way too detached from what the games depicted Funtime Freddy to be like to fit and overall... meh. Eleanor as a villain is kind of intersting, don't get me wrong, it's just, well, she kinda feels out of place for the overall FNAF franchise

[@happysmilesworldandgames8755]

Another detail is that if sarah's wish was something else, the story would not work What if sarah wished for a playstation?

[@agony_addict]

It would tho, make her a PlayStation that kills her slowly or make it out of her mom, or both. Also would be cool if she pulled An ITP Springbonnie and became Sarah's mom feeding her own classmates or her actual mom

[@masterjoda999]

@@agony_addict I somehow misread that as "makes out with her mom"

[@cartoonistanonymous]

It really does seem like after the fourth game Scott cawthon decided to go the Halloween cult of Thorn route

[@justatankwithinternetacces8338]

Remember when fnaf was only supposed to be 4 games and not devolve into this?

[@gemrock]

Listening to this made realize that day shift at Freddie took the story more serious then the books.

[@orhankocak9279]

Fazbear frights is like goosebumps but someone tries to ductape the plot together for some reason to create a bigger story even if it doesn't fit together Edit: oh and slappy the dummy was all the villains including monster blood

[@CaptainFordoCanonizingCommitee]

Basicaly all of Fazbear Frights: "Who's been messing up everything?" "IT WAS ELEANOR ALL ALONG!"

[@pizzaisneat]

Bro, I think they stepped up their game in TFTP. Like the writing is better for each mini-story and the small ending stories seem to me that they are much better and seem more easy to understand.

[@TheBloodGamePL]

Wasn't this series about chuck cheese's murder mystery? Now all the robots look like Japanese sexbots

[@mogeko665]

I feel like a horror game about Japanese s*x bots would be alot more terrifying than whatever this book did

[@DarkestMarlin74]

Eleanor when she uses an illusion disc: "Reality can be whatever I want."

[@mirraalex1752]

Eleanor is like someones overpower OC

[@Ghostofthegallow]

Elenor is the biggest Marysue ever AND I DONT EVEN LIKE THE TURM MARY SUE

[@soulbound2]

Villain sue*

[@KimBaack]

i think one of the only ways to make illusion disks, be fun is having a deaf character or the use of cameras i could think of so many ways like she finds out there deaf and needs to hunt them down or a camera guy has to use cameras to avoid her and escape.

[@ZirconiaGacha]

I feel like the "illusion discs" should have been something William tried to make work but failed. They of course are supposed to do what they do in the books (or games if you really want to go there), but the "sound messing with your mind" thing doesn't work. But that means they can still be used in a different way! Technically with the more advanced robotics in the FNaF universe, they could pretty much stun someone with just the sound. It could be a security system or an active weapon. But seriously, illusion discs are broken and shouldn't be canon to the games.

[@riskopalfi801]

I think they should just make the books into the continuity of the games. Like Bendy. Makes them way less confusing. Anyway I have a theory about how FE knows about everything and are just using glitch Trap for their own plans. Afton is no longer in Control. Wanna hear?

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Sure!

[@rwqfsfasxc4668]

Also Eleanor is the book version of Shadow Freddy which is really stupid and really funny to me

[@illcomeupwithaname4323]

ITP springbonnie should have been the main villain

[@aha2384]

i completely agree, they ruined it with the whole eleanor being the big-bad of the plot thing

[@sfmolten9251]

Fnaf Logic: Using vanny as the new Afton (not being related to him, just being a copycat of the Springbonnie killer): 🚫 Using Cassidy as the new Villain: 🚫 Wasting Vanny, Bringing Molten Freddy back with no actual purpose, Creating a really weird terminator Virus and using a Skelletal Baby (which is not another versión of baby) as a way to kill Afton easily and saying that it's all her fault when she's literally a random animatronic: ✅️

[@masterjoda999]

Don't worry, before you know it it'll be all the Mimic's doing somehow, and Eleanor was just another of its manipulations all along.

[@sfmolten9251]

@@masterjoda999 Mimic is a bit overrated, let that sink in

[@masterjoda999]

@@sfmolten9251 Yeah, it is. It's just also the new bullshit blazing big bad that's somehow responsible for everything bad now. A parallel to Eleanor, hence the joke.

[@sfmolten9251]

@@masterjoda999 I mean, who the hell cares about big band outside from Dawko? I kinda miss the days when the robots were simply posessed or given life through remnant lmao

[@masterjoda999]

@@sfmolten9251 I said big bad, not big band. As in between the ruin dlc for security breach, tales from the pizzaplex, and whatever the hell that clown thing that was recently revealed is, the mimic is being pushed as this overarching new main villain. And I agree. I miss when the story was just the first three games, or at the very least should have stopped with pizzeria sim being the finale

[@AdaTheWatcher]

FNAF really needs a retcon,

[@bedman3337]

I think they could keep the remnant, but make it more spiritual-driven, and less magic/sci-fi chemical component that makes Scott look like a blasphemer on his own religion. No, seriously. This makes it look like Jesus could have just drank a bottle of remnant and was revived in three days. Like a fnaf-driven Cristian conspiracy theory.

[@darklord884]

What amazes me about Eleanor's introduction story about stealing the girl's body, it's almost 1-to-1 the flashback of the villain Cartaphilus in the anime The Ancient Magus's Bride. For those who don't know, Cartaphilus is an ancient, undying magician who was cursed by someone to never die. The downside is, he wasn't cursed to never age or to be invincible. So yes, he can be chopped apart, shot, beaten until his brain becomes mush, buried and left to rot (and his body WILL rot) or even just left to age until he is incapable of doing anything, but he will NEVER die. He'll stay fully conscious and suffer everything done to his body. He also insists on being called Joseph and reacts with violence if someone calls him by his real name, but more on this later. His backstory is revealed in snippets over time but becomes clear during a flashback of a young necromancer in training named Joseph discovering an old, nearly mummified body and starting to talk with it. The body introduces himself as Cartaphilus and offers to teach Joseph about magic. Next scene, we see "Joseph" stretching and exclaiming that he can 'finally walk again.' ...yes. Yes he did that. He stole Joseph's body and presumably his identity, doing who knows what to the actual Joseph. What's different about Cartaphilus however is that he doesn't do this just to cause pain and suffering. He needs to do this so he can go on and function, stealing new bodyparts to replace his old ones. He's actually working on a magical way to kill himself so he can rest. His renaming himself Joseph also really shows that he is tired of being 'him.' He wants to disconnect, wants to be someone else or just not be anything at all and as I said, reacts with exaggerated aggression to anyone even using his original name. He's still a sadistic creep who kills people just to experiment, but he has at least some underlying thing. In short, he does basically what Eleanor's introduction does but right.

[@kanedashoutaro]

your narration is SO good, you have such a fluctuation in tone its so easy to focus on your voice. keep up the good work!!

[@theotherside2589]

Props to you for not using TTS this time. Well done on the video too!

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Thank you! 83

[@Balmarog]

All of the books just feel like fanfiction.

[@NES_SMB3]

Ong.

[@tashibalampkin8555]

0:37 Your delivery of the "half dead in a ditch" line is just hilarious. 😂

[@land3021]

I like the concept of the illusion disks, but damn... this makes Chaos; Head's core concept of "making delusions into reality" seem tame... And the only time they use that to "make other people see you as someone your not" is, well, only once, surprisingly... when the gang sneaks into a hospital or something - well... as far as my knowledge of the bad anime adaptation goes. Of course, the way that "making delusions into reality" works, is explained via the use of Di-swords and how focusing on them makes them more powerful... meaning you can create larger delusions, like bringing in weapons and making people feel actual physical pain from being stabbed by these delusion-generated artifacts... atleast thats what I can recall from my read through of Chaos; Child(because Chaos; Head isn't released on steam fully, although I may need to check up on that fan-patch, as I kinda forgot about that...). Oh and back to FNaF, I should say that a more direct parrellel is those weird back pack things in Chaos; Head&Child... that being because they physically exist and aren't delusions made into reality by someones mind. Wonder if there's a parrellel to remnant... nope, no there is not, but remnant on its own is a cool concept I guess, just wish that these concepts as a whole were perhaps mentioned/hinted towards earlier in the series if they were going to play such a big role later on... O shit almost forgot about one other case where delusions have been used to convince someone that you're someone else, that being a singular case in Chaos; Child... quite an interesting spin on the concept if I do say so myself as it looks at someone doing it for years on end, although I am tempted to speculate that they took breaks...

[@filipesimoes618]

I know this is real random but I just met your channel yesterday when youtube randomly recommended me the video that you made about funtime freddy and how freddy is a star and all that. And i've been watching your videos ever since. You are awesome and have a beautiful voice. Keep going! :3

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Thank you so very much! 😊

[@maximustheshoosh227]

Honestly in my opinion, i think Eleanor would of been better if she was actually Elizabeth Afton but became gluttonous with Agony to the point where she needs it to become powerful. And also it would of made more sense as to why Eleanor betrays William, she betrays her father, she doesn’t need him anymore and basically it would also make her a far more worse person than her father.

[@BlueWolf.111]

Eleanor was really a villain who could be handled well. But it was left too passive and could not be processed well...

[@TrickyTurtle123]

The Pendant if I remember correctly isn’t a illusion disc(chip) Its a different thing completely. It is werid It does have similar things but it is way different.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

To be honest, I think that makes it even more confusing. XD

[@TrickyTurtle123]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476it IMO gets way more confusing with frailty. If that is the same pendant.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

But here's the real question... is it the same Jessica? *Ominous music building in the background*

[@nidgithm]

i dont know anything about the fazbear frights books but from this it sounds kinda messy lol

[@mogeko665]

I watched a 3 hour video of someone reviewing the books and holy hell... I still can't get over the fact that in one of the stories; a game developer gives birth to an infant springtrap. How is this real.

[@nidgithm]

@@mogeko665 What. no way 💀

[@mogeko665]

@@nidgithm The title of the story is In the Flesh, check it out if you want to 😭😭😭

[@Mr.Feather130]

I hope whoever is the villain for tales from the pizzaplex series is going to be better than Eleanor from the Fazbear Frights series (even though I like Eleanor)

[@Xeorboom]

I really like that Afton's spirit is weak in Fazbear Frights as it shows that with no host he is nothing

[@Ethan-yu2jb]

The book series fell off after the one about the candy Personally think lonely freddy is the best story

[@ArielVHarloff]

I've never read any of the books and from online fandom osmosis I was CONVINCED Eleanor actually did wear the skin of the girl she turned into trash

[@wendigomaneiro8892]

So, in other words, Eleanor is just Reverse Flash But the whole world is her "Barry" "Hey remember when that Foxy animatronic cursed you, and before you could make things right with your brother and lift the curse, you died? It was me, Barry! I was the car that killed you all along"

[@TheRealVincentValentine]

This is were the game beats out the novels . I think they should've let this one only stay in the twisted ones and that's all .

[@charmyzard]

And they said I was exaggerating when I said I completely hated illusion disks being introduced.

[@ketaminepoptarts]

imo, remnant and agony are the two dumbest things ever introduced to fnaf. remnant is just an unnecessary sci-fi version of possession, and agony just doesnt make any sense to me. how the hell does being in pain make someone possess an animatronic

[@CrouseGaming]

Eleanor: the worst villain in fazbear frights

[@ithinkflutterawesome6511]

Am I 100% sure that the entire reason Eleanor was brought back as a villian was to service fans of the mid-quality (~and lowkey misogynistic~) Circus Baby lookalike in a desperate attempt to bait theorists into reading the books because the main conflict had already been set up to be resolved and Scott had no better ideas? No, more like 97% sure. Eleanor as charcater infuriates me so much she loops back around to being infinitely memable because nothing she does ever matters nor makes any sense.

[@3chovine]

Wow. So I first heard about the illusion discs from the Game Theory on the Nightmare animatronics being illusions made by William. I thought "oh cool, they can make a sound-based illusion of a specific appearance, maybe with some basic AI built in, that's useful" After that I saw them in FNAF fan content, especially gacha, and thought they were overpowered with them being able to detect what someone would look like alive and be easily traded between them, even somehow changing their physical body shapes(oh come on big animatronic appearing like a small child would be so fun to work with, the invisible body parts and movement noise and what if the animatronic is damaged and they can't move it?). Now seeing the canon....oh its so much worse.

[@DuneTheKaiju]

Here is my problem with this There was literally NO BACKSTORY FOR ELEANOR AT ALL AND SHE JUST BECOMES THE MAIN FUCKING VILLIAN? Like Scott, what the actual fuck, this is just honest laziness?!!! It would of been better as a one time thing honestly.

[@Thedragonlover95]

Concept works, but when it comes to Fnaf. . .yeah complacations ain't part of it. Also Sonic X-the show- Rouge ftw

[@Hfhffhhfhfhf]

As somebody who’s been a fan since 2016 with the lore and games, after finishing the Fnaf books I was disappointed to say the least. Already, from the first book when Eleanor was introduced it just wasn’t good writing to her character. Overall, Scott (if he’s in charge) didn’t make the book too engaging in a way. And the parts where it’s meant to be horror, (such as the bodies of children lined up when ox was lured by the rabbit) was written poorly and rushed. -long term fan.

[@Hfhffhhfhfhf]

Oh but don’t get me wrong, some things are written great and the first chapter of the first book with “the yellow rabbit” was definitely disturbing to. I wish the book had a more horror aspect to it like the game intented

[@makswolanski5549]

Eleanor is a cool concept and one think i like about her is that she ties all of the storues together, events that were seemingly unimportant and disconnected suddenly appear as a whole. But the execution is just whacky

[@fredlueplaystudios2325]

I think because Eleanor is a creature made of pure agony, it wouldn't be a problem for her to look like Baby since she can look whatever she wants. While I agree that this is really stupid, there is no reason for her to look like Baby, In the books, she is described with a different look, but Ladyfizz's interpretation of Eleanor became so famous that it ended up becoming canonical, even more so with the Into The Pit's release.

[@thegayghost872]

It was Eleanor all along

[@twilight3272]

why does every panel i see from these look so goddamn goofy

[@dinoshi64]

They did the mimic before the mimic

[@haguesque]

tbh, the extension of the books and such, I completely ignore. It just gets so si-fi, less horror, it bores me. I just go with pizzeria simulator being the ending and that’s it :(

[@yeahok8259]

I genuinely do appreciate the time and effort you put into your videos, by the way. I’m not trying to be a hater at all. I just happen to see the strong elements in this series, plot arc, and character that I can appreciate- it’s unnecessary to discredit it all as bad writing because of a personal opinion.

[@sdmedia1323]

Could've just made her a Corruptus instead of having a sob story in the same vein as as Felix the Shark and the Mimic. *Corruptus - a physical manifestation of a large group of people's collective belief in something, beings born from emotions, fears, corruptions of dreams etc. She doesn't need to have a full backstory, no motive to do it. The people of Utah being afraid that William will be back again and creating something even more evil literally manifesting a seemingly indestructible animatronic of pure evil is enough. Nobody built her. She just appeared one day. I would also like to explain away other characters like Shadow Freddy as being a physical manifestation of the children's suffering. Sure, this kinda opens ten million plot holes, buuuuut it definitely sounds more unsettling, having the fear of something creating something to be afraid of is enough.

[@truegamer7760]

She is a corruptus, its shown that her true form is a some form of shadow demon. She is literally made of agony.

[@princeoffnaf2534]

Aw come on I think Eleanor is a pretty good overarching villain Erie and good in that aspect

[@DaveMiller6042]

It being Eleanor is Aizen's all part of my plan. Only it's stupid and the villain sucks.

[@starchaser777]

i have never read any fnaf book and randomly clicked this video. you can't imagine my reaction to the "necklace that has super powers". what. the. heck. wasn't fnaf about like... robots, dead children and shit? and apparently not even fnaf knows what the actual fuck is the remnant oh man i really need to dig deeper into the lore lmao.

[@soulbound2]

It's not that hard it's ghost energy It's really not that hard to understand people just make it hard Also this woman dosent know what she's talking about

[@PantzFNAF]

i have a question, who would you say is the better afton hentchwoman, tfc baby or vanny? ( you should make a video if you want

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

I might! Thank you! 8D I suppose I like the concept of Vanny a lot more, but I would have to go into the pros and cons of both. ^_^

[@СарраКарагозян]

You know, it could be an interesting idea for a character to be made completely out of agony and/or remnant, and to explore how such creature would think/act, what their motivations might be! But it really seems writers decided not to think this through, and went with the "Evil for the sake of evil".

[@azimuddin1890]

Bootleg/less interesting Circus Baby! Her involvement in other stories sounds silly in my opinion, don’t know what was the point besides the one you explained. Does she get something out of it? I haven’t read any Fazzy Fright Night books or whatever, but from what I know, the first story with her, I think the reason why she looks like Circus Baby is to be a parallel to her as she tries to hide among humans like the actual Circus Baby from F.N.A.F.5. Maybe they could’ve developed a plot point where Elenor discovers more about Remnant and it’s abilities and wants to continue hiding as a human and do stupid stuff with The Dirty Bubble and ManRay. I don’t know :/

[@mr.Arsene]

11:13 That would be way better than the actual plot of Security Breach.

[@BreakerInc]

I like the idea of the illusion discs, but they were very very poorly - And over - used. And they are way more sci-fi than really feels right for FNAF... Eleanor for ONE story was fine, but making her the main? Gag... thank you for saving me from what, apparently, is a bunch of garbage. And yeah, being bad for the sake of being bad.. that was so, so lame. Your Grinch analogy made me laugh SO hard.. That was awesome XD

[@runeanonymous9760]

I thought that Remnant was made of dead kids or whatever but apparently that’s old fanon or something, but it’d be fucked if it turned out that Renelle’s dad was *also* a child murderer or something, and Renelle away to protect her from himself or whatever.