Eleanor: How NOT to write a Villain (Extra Salty)

Fnaf's attempt to create a villain stronger and smarter than William Afton ended up with rather mixed results in the creation of Eleanor, a mess of all sorts of writing tropes that led to an uncompelling narrative. So, let's take a look at this... THIS.
0:00 Plot derailed, meet Eleanor
1:37 What are the Illusion Discs?
3:30 To be Beautiful
4:24 Eleanor's Weak Motives & Methods
6:00 Eleanor's Confusing Origins
7:40 Eleanor is Evil Incarnate
8:09 It was Eleanor the whole time!
10:36 The Successor to Afton
11:32 For Example
12:11 The Plot Stops Making Sense
13:33 A guess we got the Bad Ending
14:03 What actually happened...
14:32 A new book series, the same plot
14:58 THIS IS A PROBLEM TOO
15:06 Possible Fixes to Eleanor?
15:57 Final Thoughts
16:47 ALSO

[@Pygargue00fr]

Fnaf needs a complete rewriting with less sci fy, more horror, like seriously. Scott is trying his best, nothing wrong with that, but it's obious he needs help from a proper expert.

[@MundMoriginal]

Is he actually writing all this? It feels like many people are trying to pull it into different directions at once.

[@Pygargue00fr]

@@MundMoriginal Yeah, aside from the books who are made in collaboration with different autors. Everything Else is kinda made by Scott himself

[@bigman2455]

Scott’s a sci-fi guy, he can’t get enough of it as evidenced in his past games like his coffee maker rpg game but I strongly agree. Fnaf just isn’t built for these weird sci-fi tropes and it’s more efficient as a ghost story.

[@Pygargue00fr]

@@bigman2455 exactly. There's nothing wrong with Sci-fy and wouldn't have been an issue if fnaf has been builded upon the scy-fy asthetics. But it wasn't, fnaf was known for it's dark and mysterious horror storyline, not the story of a depressed man who sought to kill for immortality and of a broken familly with no hope. Not the tale of a old rivalry between two engineers who saught to destroy one another for no goal in the end. Not a tale of crazy experiments and advanced technologies beyond our understanding. This is not what Fnaf is known for. This isn't what made the series that we love. This isn't about Afton and his familly, it was never meant to be! Fnaf is the tale of a trajedy, a tale of childrens violently taken from theirs homes by a monster, an unknown man who's identity shall not be revealed. Now condamned to haunt the very place they once loved! A place of happiness builded specificaly made for them, trapped up untill the one responsable for theirs misery shall perish and suffer a fate worse than death. a beautifully crafted storyline about the struggle of so many lost lives that begans with deaths, suffering and pain, poor little souls that went trought so much, finally achieving peace at the end of theirs journey: Horror and Sci-fy are two distinct genres. It can mix into a perfect balance, but going to far away from what made something good to begin with won't result in anything worthwhile. I wonder if Scott trully understood what his creation brought to so many people, what it trully represented to all of us. Or if he lost himself on the long run trying to please us, himself and whoever has been following this Franchise from it's humble beginings. Fnaf as we knew it is gone. Only kept alive by a community that simply won't let it go. It's love and Stuborness will assure that the Masterfully crafted storyline of the original trilogie shall continue with its fan made content forever, while the official media will continue to frustrate, divide, and give us unsatisfying awnsers to a story that has been suffocating since fnaf 4/5. It shall live on. Just not how we want it to be.....

[@scottchaison1001]

@@Pygargue00fr Don't say stupid things.

[@Sonicmid]

In my personal opinion Eleanor really should have just remained as a one-off character not this big villain who kills "Agony Afton"

[@EighmyLupin]

This^ To Be Beautiful was fine as a stand alone story. Not great, but fine. Even if we accepted she was this universes version of Baby/Elizabeth there was no reason her to suddenly turn on daddy, the person shes obsessed with pleasing, to become the "Big Bad" of the story

[@WeltAusEis]

if Scott isn't the one in charge of writing and plotting out these stories I really think whoever IS in charge needs to reach out and find people who can actually write compelling and interesting characters that don't contradict the logic of thier world every single time that they appear

[@gaminggoof1542]

Mitachlorions

[@madam_fox]

I volunteer I already have a ton of ideas

[@Thor-Orion]

@@madam_fox we all have a ton of ideas. Why not try writing your own story to see if you can do it? Writing fiction isn’t the glamorous process people seem to have romanticized it as. It’s a lot of tedious work, honestly. But yeah, if you have a lot of good ideas you should try developing your own IP, the world needs more creative new properties and ideas.

[@Rainbow_dash67.]

@@Thor-Orionor Scott cawton approve of Eleanor

[@mongoissupremos1843]

To me the best Fazbear Frights story is Count the Ways. The reason why is: It adds this sadistic level to the Funtime Freddy character and it matches his ingame persona quite well. Not only that, but i was actually scared of this version of him, relentless, evil, enjoys the turmoil of Millie. It's a great spooky story.

[@wyster14]

Tbh I love Count the Ways, but my favorite horror story is The Man in Room 1208. The story is genuinely unsettling to me, in comparison to many of the others which aren’t really unsettling

[@spookyjosh158]

Yesssss omfg it’s actually in character and it’s great

[@mongoissupremos1843]

@@wyster14 I would like that story if it didn't imply that the same happened to William from the games

[@lazyguy3212]

Also, there is no “good” outcome. The only way she could escape was by killing herself in the twisted animatronic.

[@madam_fox]

Also I relate to millie

[@LadyBernkastel92]

What baffles me most about her being the foxy that curses a kid, and the ella doll that makes a lady go into a vent and die is that there are lots of other stories in fazbear frights about body swapping and body possession. Like if you're gonna retcon Elanor to be responsible for some other stories, pick like Lonely Freddy or Sea Bonnies or something. At least that fits in with the one thing we know she enjoys doing.

[@michaelraymon111]

Isn't it more of a reveal than a retcon

[@agony_addict]

It perfectly fits her as is, if you couldn't tell by now her methods are diffrent with each victim

[@Buff_Helpy]

She could've been like an interesting take on Elizabeth, and instead they just made her a generic goosebumps villain, there's so much potential for lore and they squandered it.

[@scottchaison1001]

Don't say stupid things.

[@Buff_Helpy]

@@scottchaison1001 did I say something stupid?

[@GhostlyMoonWitch]

Don’t be rude.

[@demonicinfants]

@@GhostlyMoonWitch they're not being rude, they're critiquing the fnaf series. they're allowed to express negative opinions.

[@GhostlyMoonWitch]

@@demonicinfants I’m taking about scott Chaison, It didn’t tag him for some reason.

[@isabelburnos980]

One of the things that bothers me most about Elizabeth or any character related to baby, is how they're characterized. Their characterization is often just cartoon super villain evil, when it does not line up with their motivations in sister location at all. While yes, they did lure Micheal in the scooping room, they didn't do it because they love to torture people, they did it so that they could escape. Baby even talks about escaping before, but yet they always put her back. Forcing her to use Micheal as a vessel so that they wouldn't recognize her. They didn't even purposely choose Micheal as a victim, it was more that he just happened to work there. While Baby or Elizabeth can scheme, they're not some master manipulator only doing it to hurt others. They're manipulating because they're victims of being trapped underground for YEARS. They didn't even leave the other funtimes behind, they brought them WITH them to the surface, showing that they even cared for the other funtimes. Even when they're at the surface, they don't even do anything evil, besides stealing Micheal's skin. The custom nigh SL cut scenes just literally shows us Ennard walking in Micheal's skin, not using it to lure or kill anyone, until eventually being thrown up into the sewers. Baby even tells Micheal that he won't die. Not to mention that Baby doesn't even like killing kids. When Baby describes how she killed Elizabeth, she's not reminiscing on the fact that she killed her, instead she's shocked by it. She said that she had no control over the situation and seems to regret it. To be honest, it just seems really unfair that Elizabeth and baby are seen as 'evil', while the fnaf ghost children are seen as 'good' when they've STUFFED people into suits for vengeance, but nah Elizabeth is evil because she's an afton while the other ghost children are not because they're the missing kids. Edit: Saw what seems to be a page from the new official fnaf encyclopedia about Elizabeth and...wow. The page literally calls her a "spoiled child." a SPOILED CHILD. Now I known that being spoiled isn't always bad BUT the fact that there's no words like "a spoiled child but sweet" just proves to me how much Scott does not understand his own characters lmao. I hope I'm wrong and that maybe there's more positive things about Elizabeth than negative, but knowing how fnaf treat its characters, especially the females, I'm not really expecting much...

[@captainleonox3818]

You are completely right, and I 100% agree with you. Elizabeth is just a tortured little girl who wants to save herself and her friends.

[@sandraswan9008]

Y'all are talking about Elizabeth being seen as villainous but I've never seen her being talked about in that manner, like, ever

[@isabelburnos980]

@@sandraswan9008 It isn't just Elizabeth, more or so characters that are related to her, like Eleanor and the fact how scott always makes her the antagonist even when there's other ghost children, like in the fnaf novel series. Especially in the fazbear frights series. Like Eleanor is obviously a circus baby reference but scott removed all her complex reasons why she would steal someone's skin and just made her the big bad villain because she's the closet thing relating to Afton. Even if you remove Elizabeth from baby, she still isn't just some evil villain that enjoys causing pain and suffering. After baby explains how she killed Elizabeth, she asks why did that happen? Clearly wondering why did she from entertaining children to killing them. While the fandom may not see Elizabeth as villainous, Scott definitively always tries to write her or any character relating to her like baby or Eleanor, removing all the complexity that these characters show.

[@reptilerandykrusha6426]

I 100% agree on the missing children part...but, scooping someone's insides out to use as your own skin suit is still messed up, regardless if you're using it to hurt others or not. also, if Elizabeth/Baby is so good as you say she is, why was she still killing in FNAF 6 and even stated that she and the Funtimes can be finally "created what they're made to do.", Let's not forget that Elizabeth/Baby became power hungry while she was piloting Ennard, why do you think she was kicked out of the Amalgamation? Let's also not forget that Baby was willing to use Micheal's dead sister's voice to try and get him to open the door on the secret night 5 ending...if that isn't what's called a master manipulater, I don't know what is.

[@classicnatNY]

@@reptilerandykrusha6426can’t speak on the other 2 points, but isn’t Ennard an amalgamation of all of the animatronics? IIRC the only animatronic that had voice mimic luring was Funtime Freddy. (Which would match with his motivations/him being sadistic throughout the game) It wasn’t just Baby who was piloting Ennard. We also don’t find out Baby was the “leader” until FNAF 6 so in SL it’s still all 5 animatronics. I don’t think it’s fair to place all the blame on Baby when it’s 4 different animatronics in one body controlling Ennard. Again, correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s just what I remember.

[@supremedellerior3628]

You know, the saddest part about this isn’t even the fact the you’re completely right about Eleanor. It’s the fact that the example with security breach, and Vanny does actually sound like a twist that could have been in the game.

[@ShadowMike202]

If I direct the novel To Be Beautiful, I'll rewrite the series with Eleanor replacing Sarah's organs with her classmates that she kidnaps and kills, Sarah then begins to have nightmares being haunted by the souls of her classmates, she still collapses into mush and Eleanor remarks on how the failures she did in her past experiments.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

That's actually an EXTREMELY spooky idea. I love it. :)

[@philipjohnston5822]

DO IT. DO IT PLEASE.

[@jimUkay]

Wait, how did she come to having nightmares to waking up in the morning to become a pile of mush on the side of her bed? 😐 Where did this random idea come from and why did it happened?

[@Vigriff]

Perhaps Scott should hire you to write his stories.

[@Ms.Butters_Lover]

That could work imagine where Eleanor replaces Sarah's Body parts with the ones of the female classmates Sarah wants to be like where slow Sarah became a mixture of all the perfection that she seen in all her classmates. how I would write the climax when she finds her parts is that as she looking around she finds different body parts of her classmates that she recognized that are put into the garage bags in her garaged as realize what going on she find out one of her perfect features are from her childhood friend which scares her as she falls part she see herself in the mirror a body made of different body parts that don't belong to her. ( I am not the best writing but I think is would work on make the horror aspect more scary and also make Eleanor seem more sinister.

[@someperson6672]

"The scariest thing about the fourth closet was the graphic novel cause we almost got a glimpse of William Afton with his shirt of" 😭😂✋ YOU DID HIM SO DIRTY AND I COMPLETELY AGREE 😂

[@justkris2374]

Glad im not the only one laughing their ass off with that line. It was deserved tbh😂

[@MalayDea]

Remember Zajcu37? The SFM animator that made FNAF into a surreal adventure fantasy and stuff? Well, Seeing the novels and the fazbear fright books, I'm starting to think they took some inspiration from that guy...

[@doodledevore7745]

Oh GOD, I forgot about him. To be fair, I watched a lot of his videos but, jeez. They are quite uh, interesting.

[@klaus.sfc01official30]

Some!? The books are a substance trip they took so much inspiration added some...18+ things (you know which 3 stories i mean) and uhhh that's it...the stories got worse the longer i read them atleast i learned alot of english through them lol

[@bestianegra3725]

Nah, scott made these books to fill in the holes in fnaf.

[@klaus.sfc01official30]

@@bestianegra3725 are you sure about that

[@bestianegra3725]

@@klaus.sfc01official30 🌝

[@nyancreeperpony]

As someone who actually likes the Fazbear Frights and Tales From the Pizzaplex books, I agree with a lot of the points you brought up in this video. I think that, honestly, my main problem with Eleanor, as well as Fazbear Frights in general, is that they tried to give the books a gigantic overarching plot where there didn’t need to be. Like, the Fazbear Frights books were supposed to be like the 1990s Goosebumps series. They were supposed to be supernatural stories that were in a self contained universe that were supposed to connect to FNAF in a way whether it be very strongly or extremely loosely. By that logic, they don’t need this overarching book lore. It’s too complicated and honestly a lot of the stuff is just piling up upon an ALREADY complicated canon game lore. The closest thing I can compare Fazbear Frights to is Goosebumps:Horrorland, a series of Goosebumps books that had a similar prologue/epilogue format with their story like Fazbear Frights But there are three reasons that I feel the Horrorland Epilogues work while Fazbear Frights Epilogues don’t is for three reasons. 1.The story mostly takes place in one location, that being Horrorland, for most of the plot, unlike the FF Epilogue which kinda took place wherever the Stitchwrath/the Doctor/The Investigator needed to be. 2, The Horrorland Epilogues were a much more cohesive story that, outside of the prologues, could kinda stand on their own, unlike FF’s epilogues where you need to read the short stories to understand what’s going on. 3. The Horrorland Epilogues put all the Main Characters from the prologue in Horrorland to combat against their respective antagonists. This made it a lot more fun, like this gigantic crossover event between books that kinda rewarded you for paying attention. Fazbear Frights doesn’t do that mainly because you have to read all the stories to know what’s going on. You’re not rewarded for extra credit in FF’s epilogues, you’re just being graded by your knowledge of the study material. Eleanor is fine for what she is, and in my opinion,she’s good in her own stand alone story, but that’s it and that’s how it should be. She should have just been used in “To Be Beautiful” as a counterpart to The Fourth Closet Baby, and that’s it. However, because they tried to keep the overarching plot going, they tried to shoehorn her in at the last minute. And it makes her less fun imo. That’s kinda why I choose to ignore the Epilogues entirely. They’re not needed for us to understand and have fun with each Fazbear Frights story. They’re just a vestigial organ that can just be removed completely with no side effects. They don’t need to be there, and I think that’s what squandered the Book’s potential. TLDR: Fazbear Frights is just better if you just read each story as unconnected things from each other, like canon fanfiction. Doing otherwise will just give you a headache.

[@aegisScale]

Man the moment I heard of those disks and the possibility they exist in the games made me check out. It's like a goddamn cop out.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Oh, it's totally a writer's crutch.

[@critrabbit8975]

The HORRENDOUS thing is they could have actually been a pretty good source of tension. COULD have. You could lay little subtle hints around. Times where the discs malfunction and we get the tiniest glimpse that something isn't right. They could've changed it where the imposer comments on something the main character never said. It wouldn't work in a visual novel since people would be able to see what was happening. Put it in a novel, have the reader's imagination filling in most of the blanks. That's pretty much how fnaf started, with the open lore and such. Build on that paranoia. Keep upping the tension. Play with the character's mental state. Turn their friends against them. What's real? What's fake? Was that cup always there?! Something creaked in the house! Oh god, I'm going to die, I'm going to die, I'm going to die! We make EVERYONE seem suspicious as the book goes on. Our character's psyche is gradually decaying and we slowly follow their descent. Describing their downward spiral juuuust enough to be a little noticable, but fine. An unreliable narrator who doesn't even know it. In the beginning we get some other perspectives than them, but as the book goes on, we focus more on them. The last chapter that comes from a friend's point of view is a meeting where they're convinced its fine, just a temporary thing they're going through. I guess a theoretical good version- or at least, something that wasn't horrendous- was not having them show up WAAAAAAY more often than they needed to be. HEY EVERYONE, YOU WANT SOME IMITATION DISCS? HOW ABOUT YOU, YOU WANT SOME IMITATION DISCS? EVERYONE'S GETTING IMITATION DISCS!

[@GanonGhidorah]

-Epilogue in a Nutshell _Who's been messing up everything~_ _It's been Eleanor all along~_ _Who's been pulling every evil string~_ _It's been Eleanor all along~_ _She's insidious~_ _So Perfidious~_ _That you haven't even noticed~_ _and the Pity-is, the pity-is, pity-pity-pity-pity~_ _It's too late to fix anything~_ _Now that everything has gone wrong~_ _Thanks to Eleanor, HA~ (Naughty-Eleanor~)_ _It's been Eleanor All Along~_ Eleanor: "-And I killed Phone-Guy too~" *wicked laugh I couldn't resist...

[@user-wt1fn5gb1v]

Haha, this is amazing!

[@JayRedGear]

Eleanor's trying to be like the Reverse Flash and Dio. "You thought it was Afton or the other animatronics that were tormenting the people in the novels but it was I, Eleanor!!"

[@Unsightly7846]

The problem with the Fazbear Frights books is that Scott lacks writing experience and it shows. It was apparent at a bunch of points in TSE trilogy and it’d even more clear here. There’s only so much other writers he partners up with can do to help, but let’s be real here, this is FNaF we’re talking about. Unless Scott brings lore experts that also know how to write we won’t really get anywhere. With this batch of books I think he wanted to expand on subjects he couldn’t in the games but then completely missed the mark with some of them to the point where we got Faz-goo, like are you for real? This is FNaF now? Faz-goo? And because of that the quality suffered. What would’ve been better for a series called “Fazbear Frights” is to have each story from the perspective of someone that actually worked at Freddy’s. That way we could’ve expanded on game subjects, gotten to see our favorite characters and better build up the world of FNaF. Like just imagine a “Canon” story from Phone Guy’s pov working at Freddy’s, maybe even how he died, I mean, it’s not like he’s a fan favorite or anything. Or like an employee that was an engineer and had to repair haunted robots like the Puppet. There were many missed oportunities with this series, and it’s kinda sad to see the direction this went in. What we got was like 70% of all the stories being completely unrelated to FNaF expect characters but not even that cause when we do see familiar faces they’re not there for long or do jack. FNaF doesn’t have much in the way of quality stories, even the game story has just so many plot holes it’s clear Scott just comes up with ideas and the community is left to see how they fit together. Maybe in the future we could get proper stories, but till then sites like ao3 are saving graces for us fans and this fandom as a whole.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Someday I'll do a video on it, but it's body snatchers slime that Fazbear Entertainment made for giggles. It's in a handful of stories.

[@Pygargue00fr]

It's just like remnant, illusion disks, robot people, and so on... nobody wants to acknolege they exist because they suck and don't fit within any discution about the actual lore, but keep being forced down on us game after game and book after book for no reason other than why not This is fnaf now.... gone are the days of a believable story with ghosts, spririts of children trapped inside realistic animatronics, condamned to suffer up untill theirs killer bite the dust. Finally freed in Fasbear's Fright (The actual place) like it used to be before. Also William Afton and Purple guy feels like completely different characters. The killer in the four og games was intresting, true he didn't had any actual personnality, but funnily enough this was a part of his character, this is why he became such beloved character. This lack of identity made it easier to deshumanise him. Back then, all we trought about him is that he's a psycho, a madman, a monster who deserved to die by the springlock suit. But then they game him a familly, a life and a tragic backstory. Why? None of that was necessary.

[@Pygargue00fr]

Now we can't help but feel like is "that guy even serious?" Or "Him? A threat?"

[@skelebonez1349]

@@Pygargue00fr I feel to me it’s needed to give enough, not to much not to little. I do partially agree in the whole “I miss when fnaf was..” yet at the same time I felt the biggest issue with the old games was that lack of personality in characters. If I wrote a killer like William Afton, I’d make the story where while yes he’s more of a nobody, I’d give more so hints of a backstory. Basically make him like the grabber from the black phone. It’d be just right this way. Not to hollow and vague just to be vague, but not to much information where we’d know completely in almost complete detail in what he became. Now obviously that doesn’t make it for every villain, sometimes it’s good to give a lot of info, sometimes best to give none. But for a killer of the missing five, we should have a bit of insight and see what he was like in terms of his personality.Though I’d honestly say this with almost all the characters in fnaf since there’s few that are truly in depth. I think to me a big issue fnaf needs to fix and fix quick is the “show DONT tell”. Now I think soemtimes it’s ok, like Funtime Freddy, while that story wasn’t canon, they explored how terrifying he truly was. But if you’re gonna tell me that peepaw willy murdered 15 people, that’s when you’d know there’s an issue with William Afton for that one But ramble aside, mentioning how I’d characterize a killer like William, might be more than just a idea

[@Pygargue00fr]

@@skelebonez1349 you are right in a lot of ways, Honestly the cast having actual identities could have been a fun new way to add to the already established lore and add just a bit more context to the story, but they just went too far man! And not in the way we wanted! Afton should have been a depressed killer who hates mike for what he did to the Crying Child and, not being able to kill him since that would have been so obious, or maybe cause he's simply a jerk who's overworked, abusive and wanted a stress relief, takes out his anger and hatred on the missing kids like it was done for most of the VHS tape series.( who by the way, completely ignore what happened after Fasbear's Fright being burned to the ground for most of the time just to show how far away the franchise went from what made it good in the first place) and done, not much more needed. Afton is a monster who we shouldn't feel bad for. He's hurt, yes, but also selfish and out for blood. As for Charlie's death specificaly (aka the first murder), here's a somewhat canon idea (somewhat, cause we don't really have much proof for it of against it) William is hella Jealous of Henry, he builded the springlock suits, had a happy family and generaly a happy life, something William wanted but never had, Afton is distant, cold. His mariage is on the break of collapse, beats mike every week-ends and what not, he's Jealous of Henry's success and what to see him suffer as well We never needed anything else really. That whould have been perfect, no more mad scientist, no more experimentation, that was overdone in just about any media possible and was one of the worst routes this franchise could have taken. As for Henry, make him commit self termination around the time of fnaf 2. That way it can lead to one final showdown between father and son in Fasbear's Fright.

[@Ethan-yu2jb]

I'm so happy that scott confirmed that most of fazbear freight aren't canon

[@skrub_king]

I was going to say that she was like Doofenshmirtz (it's said that she's "evil" and she does relatively bad things) but at least Doof has a proper backstory and reason for everything.

[@M4x_D4350n]

And doofenshmirtz is an entertaining humorous character to the point that you actually root for him at points.

[@YEY0806]

​@M4x D4350n difference being that he was built up through a series whereas Elanor only had one main short story

[@momoapples]

Doof isn't even evil fr too, he genuinely loves his daughter and cares for Perry

[@anthonyoliver418]

I’m so glad Eleanor is very powerful, and is coming to the games as Vanessa after Clara uses the rainbow remnant vape on her!

[@vitoriangamer7807]

Eleanor saying she was most of the villains the entire time feels like the “I was always there” line from Puss in boots, but instead of being the creepy one from death it’s the silly one from humpty

[@Halloweenish]

Sarah: Eleanor is beautiful! Eleanor: 😊 / / / / / / / / / / / / / /

[@thekeeper1287]

One thing they could do with the magical pendent that brings people back from the dead is implanting it into someone's body. Like replacing their heart or something and no matter what they do they physically can't die. Trying to over and over until they just give up (idk if they can make it to graphic since it's a schoolatic series. But then again that didnt stop them before.) I mean that's a lot of agony right there that Eleanor could gather idk.

[@DecepticonFan21]

FNAF seriously needs better villains.

[@N.I.A23]

Does fnaf need villains?? Afton was never supposed to be a full on character. He was just a low life who killed children in a famous pizza chain. The true villain of fnaf should've always been fazbear's entertainment and corrupted rich companies that allowed the missing children incident to happen in the first place. That's why fnaf creeper people out in the first place. It was a cheap chuck-e cheese ripoff where any tragedy could've happened.

[@nidgithm]

or to use their villains better

[@dinobat5525]

Eleanor, Mimic, Afton, Elizabeth, Vanny....so much potential and so little execution

[@OhioFanatic97]

Boy, a lot of these concepts for the FNAF Novels sound cool. For a series that isn't FNAF

[@aidanpurkiss9457]

Goosebumps...

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

Illusion disks are weird. The way it seemed to be during TFC and the way it should've stayed is that they don't exactly do much unless they're 'coded' to something, not in their own programming or whatever, but in the way that whatever's being changed has to be built to be compatable. The Twisted animatronics, Elizabeth-from-the-books, Ella, the junk down in that massive subterranean pizzeria under Charlie's house, whatever - it's all made for use with the illusion disks. Stuff that _isn't_ made for use with them or is damaged in such a way to render it no longer compatible just doesn't change. The disk is only part of the answer. But, alas, Scott didn't seem to use it like that, he just kept simplifying it until it wasn't even much of a concept anymore.

[@realmcarthy]

Honestly, To Be Beautiful is the freakiest Fazbear Frights story because of how relatable it is. So many young girls around Sara’s age are extremely vulnerable about their looks and would do anything to, well, be beautiful.

[@supotter377]

True but I really think they shouldn’t have connected it to fnaf then made Eleanor the big bad for the entire book series though it just makes no sense

[@CarlytheWolf23]

Literally Eleanor: We do a little trolling.

[@froggitgang]

Her literally being a disguise of LITERALLY everyone is such a cartoon gag. I see this joke/gag in so many children cartoons that do it better.

[@kidkap4]

It would’ve been pretty creepy if Eleanor pretended to be, like, random family members of people she was bugging. Like the reader and the victim never know who’s really their friend and who’s just Eleanor in disguise. Do some psychological horror with her manipulating the scientists or the cops or even William. She could mess with William, prove she’s “eviller” or “worse” by manipulating him, make him think that Michael or Elizabeth or Unnamed Third Child is there haunting him. There are so many possibilities for horror with a character who can functionally look like anything. She could have shown up as Henry, or as William himself, like in UCN dying to Afton! The possibilities are endless, the story could have been so cool! So creepy! It could’ve been great :/

[@tessfabled4115]

I really wish she'd worn Sarah's skin tbh, would have been a nice Ennard reference, and also kind of give Eleanor a motivation? Like make her a creation of this scientist, whose daughter actually died and she is a pseudo-recreation of her (novel trilogy reference). However the scientist was horrified/dissatisfied with the results and threw her out- hence why she's in the dump in the first place. Her motivation is she just wants to be loved (as she was abandoned), hence her taking on other peoples' identities, but this only lasts as long before their bodies begin to decay substantially (you can say she has an illusion disc but it's not magic, she has to wear the corpse suit, disc just makes the person look alive lol) and she has to move onto the next one. So basically functions as a darker parallel to Charlie in the novels?

[@amazonbox5522]

what a long, elaborated way to describe a mary sue

[@bestianegra3725]

Off topic but into pit could've been so much better if it was revealed that the dad was actually the bunny but back in time, but that's just my opinion.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

I like that idea! Like the guilt has followed him.

[@bestianegra3725]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 yeah, but I like mysteries but mysteries were we literally get nothing is quite boring.

[@justarandomfnaffan]

As much as I hate Fourth closet baby, I might hate Elenor more, she's really stupid. This video was awesome, I agree with all the points, great job! Unrelated: I've been working hard on my security breach remake (The official name will be "Ashes to Ashes") and to talk about some points we've got so far It will go into detail why the pizza plex is closed for a week. There will be a segment where you get to play as Vanessa (Kinda possessed by afton) It will be much darker (Actually starting with some murder) A character from the books coming back (I think you can guess who it is) Obviously blob henry, but he will be much more involved in the story, so will BurnTrap And freddy will have a point where he turns, and comes after the player And it will be a LOT less involved in gameplay and more about story, for now. And Fazbear entertainment prevents me from bringing up the topic of Vanny. :). An-hoo, this was very entertaining! Awesome job!!!

[@shai17altamiranoanco77]

Please let me know when its released cuz i would read it

[@justarandomfnaffan]

@@shai17altamiranoanco77 Alr! 👍

[@qdasai]

@@shai17altamiranoanco77 i would like to

[@FireBlock101]

@@shai17altamiranoanco77 same

[@tapseymoth803]

The only reason Im even slightly okay with the necklace is because I can make jokes about it being scp 963 it was just Dr Bright “Screwing with the timeline”. Thus why Dr Bright is now banned from ghost writing for children’s books ^^

[@benwelsh5265]

The idea of this creature that is the literal embodiment of all the agony and tragedies that have happened in the FNAF universe being the Big Bad is actually a really cool sounding one. Such a shame Fazbear Frights completely bolloxed it. I'm not sure what the writers were even going for with this weird Bizzaro alternate universe FF seems to be set in when truthfully it would've been far more interesting if Scott had just done what he literally said the books were going to do and fill in the blanks of the past in the timeline of the actual games. At least that's sort of what's happening now with the new series Tales From the Pizzaplex but even that series has much of the same flaws as Frights i.e. wildly inconsistent quality of stories and just generally unambitious stories that don't feel remotely close to anything resembling FNAF. It's a shame because if any franchise benefits from the medium of books it would be FNAF.

[@libby_lue]

Fun fact: eleanor is my second least favorite character of all time

[@larrymantic2635]

Who’s your worst?

[@quememirai9262]

I'm starting to develop a Love-Hate relationship with FNAF

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

It has ups and down. I feel like the initial epilogue premise of us following a haunted animatronic and a detective and seeing both sides of the story was a rather neat one, and feel like they could've done a ton more with that alone. ...So, yeah. Me too. XD

[@OutOfNameIdeas819]

Me too, man. Me too. Except I'm more in the hate side than the love side.

[@platinumg.8614]

I am more like Like-Oh good wtf is that

[@jacobsantana915]

It's non cannon anyway, so cool your jets.

[@toiletglizzy4287]

@@jacobsantana915 doesn't make it any less stupid

[@SamiTheAnxiousBean]

illusion discs were pretty balanced in the twisted ones as pretty much all they did was turn the animatronics that looked simplistic and unpainted into something way more terrifying but in the books....hoo boy Deus Ex Machina pretty much they can do anything and everything Eleanor is a case of a badly executed villain that...keeps coming back she's literally just the big bad who wants to rule the world and cause misery....for the sake of just doing it

[@critrabbit8975]

William Afton after- Sister Location, I wanna say? Just the games, though.

[@SamiTheAnxiousBean]

@@critrabbit8975 we all know fnaf should have ended story wise at 7 (With UCN just being a non canon bonus like the other custom nights)

[@happysmilesworldandgames8755]

Another detail is that if sarah's wish was something else, the story would not work What if sarah wished for a playstation?

[@agony_addict]

It would tho, make her a PlayStation that kills her slowly or make it out of her mom, or both. Also would be cool if she pulled An ITP Springbonnie and became Sarah's mom feeding her own classmates or her actual mom

[@LadyBern]

I dreaded FNAF extending into books because I knew they just had to explain things. Occam's razor was the golden rule that sadly got tossed aside to explain things and the explanations bore more questions than answers

[@LolManI-75]

What the hell was Scott thinking when he made the books? Now he's considering the books to be canon to the games. I think Scott's gone mad honestly.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Not sure what was going on with the whole Eleanor plot, but a few of the Fazbear Frights books have plots that came out of the Goosebumps rolodex. Considering Scholastic makes both... might not be a coincidence. Might be a 'same ghost writers' situation.

[@tanzilatabassum4916]

No hate to him, but yeah.

[@dimitriharvey966]

15:54 😂 oh my God the scariest thing is William afton with his shirt off

[@tomaszhallay6653]

The fact that Scott makes the most awesome and potentially super scary concepts, and then either completely butchers them, or does jack shit with them is mind boggling. Like, there's a massive spider like monster that constantly emits a horrific static, a demonic shadowy beast helping a child murderer and being capable of haunting dreams, a massive metallic fox who lures and kidnaps children with the use of mimicking voices and freezing people with magnets, a wire-worm-serpent-thing that is just terror incarnate, a powerful shapeshifter who can turn people into rusted metal and put some sort of Greek ass curses on them, a literal cryptid and a hyper-violent skeleton who can copy behaviours just by catching a glimpse of them as well as twisting it's body to look nothing like itself. You'd think Scott would utilize any of these concepts, but no! The spider robot is just a replacment for a fox robot and they dissapear in the very next game, the demonic beast just dissapeared after 4, the fox was merged into the afermentioned worm-serpent-wire beast who is ALSO killed in the very next game, the shapesifter just comes out of nowhere, takes credit for everything and just couldn't be more boring and dull (seriously, Eleanor makes the writing on Scrap Baby look good and organic), the cryptid is only used to drive theorists insane whther or not the books are canon or not, and the hyper-violent copycat exists exclusivley so that the writers have an excuse of bringing an earlier, oversued and pointless villain back but being able to completely defuse any criticism. Golly gee, sure seems like Scott and Steel Wool either think that nobody will care for anything that isn't a clown or a rabbit (despite the fact that people took his dumbass bear seriously for a decade), or are only using said ideas as a writing crutch when an aspect of the story is criticized.

[@kirbyridingyoshi28]

wait, who's the cryptid?

[@tomaszhallay6653]

@@kirbyridingyoshi28 Golden Freddy, the resident Eldritch horror

[@darkdoubloontv8906]

I don't have problems with characters being pure evil because they simply like it. Some of my favorite villains are just evil, simple as. The problem with Eleanor is that they don't even say that she's doing it because it's fun, her motivations and end goals change willy nilly from each appearance she has. It feels like they just wanted a new villain and had to somehow tie all the stories together and randomly just poorly retconned her into them.

[@commanderAnakin]

Remember when the Fazbear Frights books were actually good?

[@athena3680]

No

[@shinysableyee]

i love the more sci fi horror aspects that sister location brought to the series however, it needed more time to become grounded within the universe. i feel like they were implemented and shoved into the lore way too quickly in a way that made them super unbelievable in universe. like give people time to digest the new direction and all of the extra lore that comes with it instead of going 0 to 100

[@j.a.m.m]

Yeah, Eleanor being retroactively put in other stories and the illusion discs being so powerful sounds like a sketch at this point

[@Sophia-if7zk]

I think the problem with Eleanor is she shows the rushed nature of fazbear frights like I think they were just going to make her a one time villain but where it was the final they look for a villain and choose a villain from the first book which was her and now to show that she the “real villain” and put her books where she didn’t belong like you could bring her back in a squeal for to be beautiful like maybe Sarah friend Abby from the book find Sarah dead body reports it to the police and now Eleanor is after her it could be a fine of bringing her back without ruining the series you make her in.Also not make her look like baby and not make her name like Elizabeth that my take.

[@cartoonistanonymous]

It really does seem like after the fourth game Scott cawthon decided to go the Halloween cult of Thorn route

[@justatankwithinternetacces8338]

Remember when fnaf was only supposed to be 4 games and not devolve into this?

[@sonic8005]

The first Fazbear Frights books actively symbolizes where I fell off of the FNAF franchise and stopped giving money actually. Up until that point I owned every book, owned pretty much every figure all the way until the Pizzeria Simulator figures... even most of the plush toys... but yeah, that had to be my dropoff point with me thinking poorly on basically all three stories. To Be Beautiful was the darkest by far but it felt way too... fantastical to be fitting in with the canon. Even Count The Ways felt way too detached from what the games depicted Funtime Freddy to be like to fit and overall... meh. Eleanor as a villain is kind of intersting, don't get me wrong, it's just, well, she kinda feels out of place for the overall FNAF franchise

[@danninmatthews5640]

I have a version of To Be Beautiful with Eleanor proving Sarah more self confidence, inspired by Bionicpig's mention of the show called What You Wear. Plus, maybe To Be Beautiful could be a parallel between Ennard and Elizabeth.

[@CaptainFordoCanonizingCommitee]

Basicaly all of Fazbear Frights: "Who's been messing up everything?" "IT WAS ELEANOR ALL ALONG!"

[@pluffering6661]

Something I think is disappointing is the fact that the Illusion discs could definitely be a really interesting plot point if treated correctly. The problem is that the discs aren't given a set of rules and limitations to abide by, making them an all powerful plot convenience that ruins all tension and suspense.

[@orhankocak9279]

Fazbear frights is like goosebumps but someone tries to ductape the plot together for some reason to create a bigger story even if it doesn't fit together Edit: oh and slappy the dummy was all the villains including monster blood

[@mirraalex1752]

Eleanor is like someones overpower OC

[@Balmarog]

All of the books just feel like fanfiction.

[@NES_SMB3]

Ong.

[@pizzaisneat]

Bro, I think they stepped up their game in TFTP. Like the writing is better for each mini-story and the small ending stories seem to me that they are much better and seem more easy to understand.

[@BlindStarLily]

Eleanor’s design really bothers me. I think that, if they wanted a pretty, feminine looking robot, they could still do that without making her resemble Circus Baby. Okay, here’s my take on her So, in To Be Beautiful, Sarah idolizes the four prettiest girls at her school, a blue eye’d blonde, green eye’d redhead, doe eyed brunette and, the only POC out of that group, a black girl with large eyes and, iirc, braids. Apart from those features to distinguish them, they all look relatively similar. Tallish, slender hourglass figures, long hair and heart shaped faces. Sarah thinks these girls are as good as it gets and, almost entirely because of their beauty, trusts them without even knowing them. Enter Eleanor. Sarah describes her as, “A pretty clown.” Since there’s no reason for her to be a Funtime, let’s take out the clown part entirely. We can let her still be chrome plated though since that’s part of what makes her appear human without using an Illusion Disk, or illusion heart in her case. Sarah’s supposed to really like her because of how pretty she is, yes? How about, instead of having clown makeup, we make it so Eleanor’s cheeks are painted to look like they’re very rosy and add a touch of that pink to her nose so she looks like she’s blushing all the time. Give that same tint of pink to her lips since that’ll give the impression of innocence. Long hair is a staple of Sarah’s idea of beauty, so let’s take Eleanor’s out of the Baby pigtails and instead leave it to fall in shiny ringlets down her back. For color, while we could keep it red/orange, I think a better idea would be to make it brown like Sarah’s own hair. Give her blue eyes too. The idea that we’re going for here would be that Eleanor looks the way Sarah has always wanted to and what she ends up looking like toward the end of the story. We can keep Eleanor being taller than Sarah for that intimidation factor. I guess we could keep the red dress since Sarah ends up wearing one in the story, but I think it’d be better to change the color and style of it. She says she’ll be like Sarah’s fairy godmother, right? Why not put her in that pretty light blue that Fairy Godmother wears in Cinderella? The heart button has to stay, of course, but we could add a bit of detailing around it to make it appear like she’s also wearing an illusion heart necklace. That’s just my two cents though. I think that, at the very least, Eleanor should have had blue eyes instead of green since it’s at least partially because of Lizzie that Baby has green eyes.

[@yeahok8259]

I don’t think that the point of the Fazbear Fright stories was to expand upon any canon storylines, or to make sense with other elements of the series other than some major themes, characters, and events. It’s a Goosebumps-esque series that intends to chill the reader, each story having its own unique twist and flair. While a reader might have differing opinions from story to story, I believe that this series does what it’s meant to do in that it takes you for a ride each time. Having Eleanor become relevant later on and having different characters like Lonely Freddy and Plushtrap Chaser be connected to her felt genuinely cool to me, so I appreciated that twist when it came around. I do agree that many elements of the FF series don’t always make sense if you’re an English teacher, but as a mere audience member, I found the chaotic, scary manner in which the series proceeded to be both entertaining and nerve-wracking. I don’t think that any of these elements make it a weak or poorly written series. Now, you could definitely argue these points for the MAIN series books, as they were essentially written to give more backstory to canon (despite differing greatly from the game storyline).

[@soulbound2]

Agreed except for the mainline Scott always stated from the begining that the mainline silver eyes books where never canon to the games and just for fun

[@mrsurge4789]

To me, it feels like the series was intended to be random spooky non-canon spin-offs and as Scott wrote it, decided to add parallels as to what happened in the games for fans to discover as little fun Easter eggs

[@gemrock]

Listening to this made realize that day shift at Freddie took the story more serious then the books.

[@riskopalfi801]

I think they should just make the books into the continuity of the games. Like Bendy. Makes them way less confusing. Anyway I have a theory about how FE knows about everything and are just using glitch Trap for their own plans. Afton is no longer in Control. Wanna hear?

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Sure!

[@AdaTheWatcher]

FNAF really needs a retcon,

[@tanzilatabassum4916]

Elizabeth is a better villain in the games than on the books imo

[@rwqfsfasxc4668]

Also Eleanor is the book version of Shadow Freddy which is really stupid and really funny to me

[@TheBloodGamePL]

Wasn't this series about chuck cheese's murder mystery? Now all the robots look like Japanese sexbots

[@mogeko665]

I feel like a horror game about Japanese s*x bots would be alot more terrifying than whatever this book did

[@kanedashoutaro]

your narration is SO good, you have such a fluctuation in tone its so easy to focus on your voice. keep up the good work!!

[@ViktorErikFade]

THATS Ellanor in that picture lifting up the sofa ??? I thought that was a redesign for baby! Can you blame me for thinking as such though , it was babys look first

[@thatbleachedcat8218]

No you were right that is Baby.

[@larrymantic2635]

@@thatbleachedcat8218 Seeing the image out of context, I just thought of Fesh Pince of all things.

[@DarkestMarlin74]

Eleanor when she uses an illusion disc: "Reality can be whatever I want."

[@ZirconiaGacha]

I feel like the "illusion discs" should have been something William tried to make work but failed. They of course are supposed to do what they do in the books (or games if you really want to go there), but the "sound messing with your mind" thing doesn't work. But that means they can still be used in a different way! Technically with the more advanced robotics in the FNaF universe, they could pretty much stun someone with just the sound. It could be a security system or an active weapon. But seriously, illusion discs are broken and shouldn't be canon to the games.

[@meganshaw1949]

Wow. Now if another version of Eleanor gets released, hopefully she gets a revamp. As for her name, maybe she’s named after the song Eleanor Rigby as that is a morbid and sad song. The song is about a woman who sees other people being happy in life when she herself is miserable. Other people have loved ones who care about them, whereas Eleanore has nobody. Nobody even came to her funeral. And I also don’t think that the fact the pendent has a heart on it is no mistake. Maybe when she was alive Eleanor wanted love, she just never got it. It could also be that when she died, then so didn’t her heart hence as to why the heart on the necklace is so small. As for the Baby connection, maybe she’s jealous of Baby cause she gets far more notability then she does.

[@KimBaack]

i think one of the only ways to make illusion disks, be fun is having a deaf character or the use of cameras i could think of so many ways like she finds out there deaf and needs to hunt them down or a camera guy has to use cameras to avoid her and escape.

[@Ethan-yu2jb]

The book series fell off after the one about the candy Personally think lonely freddy is the best story

[@CoolCharaLover95]

: * personally i love eleanor, mainly because i haven’t finished the books and i have somewhat rewritten her in my head

[@oliverafton1444]

I think this is the reason for why i consider the books not canon

[@Thor-Orion]

FNAF takes place in an alternate reality where everyone is stupid all the time unless they’re doing something evil for no reason, then they’re an evil super genius.

[@nametheocmaker]

i had a dream with eleanor in it once, i walked into a school, and one of the staff members lured me into a room, before revialing they were eleanor in disguise, then i somehow suplexed eleanor, and then told her she was a terrible character, before leaving a very satisfying dream honestly

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

I once had a dream I chased Springtrap with a shovel while he was spider-crawling around a warehouse. XD

[@AlfaresAnas]

​@@notrealnamenotatall2476sounds fun ngl

[@kittykat1791]

I might well be wrong, but I interpreted the appearance of Eleanor in all those moments in the stories as indicating that she had absorbed that agony, not that she was originally responsible for it. All of that agony was gathered together to be destroyed and then became the trash rabbit because of William... and then when Eleanor arrive she absorbed all of it and ran off. So now those moments of agony are part of Eleanor, and her appearance in the memories is only because of that and not an indication she was there when the events actually happened. Idk if that even made sense, it's just how I read it. Agreed though she was a pretty terrible villain.

[@docrilas]

unfortunately it is certain that Eleanor was the one who caused these events

[@evanh0562]

I feel like Eleanor is just a really bad Nezarec from destiny 2, Eleanor just casues pain for some reason with no clear motivation, nezarec is the god of pain in his story so he wants people to hurt and suffer because it makes him powerful and causes him joy. He's evil just to be evil, it's just how we know him and we love him because of that, he's just a super villian that we maybe put down(at least his body).

[@bedman3337]

I think they could keep the remnant, but make it more spiritual-driven, and less magic/sci-fi chemical component that makes Scott look like a blasphemer on his own religion. No, seriously. This makes it look like Jesus could have just drank a bottle of remnant and was revived in three days. Like a fnaf-driven Cristian conspiracy theory.

[@theotherside2589]

Props to you for not using TTS this time. Well done on the video too!

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Thank you! 83

[@nidgithm]

i dont know anything about the fazbear frights books but from this it sounds kinda messy lol

[@mogeko665]

I watched a 3 hour video of someone reviewing the books and holy hell... I still can't get over the fact that in one of the stories; a game developer gives birth to an infant springtrap. How is this real.

[@nidgithm]

@@mogeko665 What. no way 💀

[@mogeko665]

@@nidgithm The title of the story is In the Flesh, check it out if you want to 😭😭😭

[@TheRealVincentValentine]

This is were the game beats out the novels . I think they should've let this one only stay in the twisted ones and that's all .

[@ArielVHarloff]

I've never read any of the books and from online fandom osmosis I was CONVINCED Eleanor actually did wear the skin of the girl she turned into trash

[@sfmolten9251]

Fnaf Logic: Using vanny as the new Afton (not being related to him, just being a copycat of the Springbonnie killer): 🚫 Using Cassidy as the new Villain: 🚫 Wasting Vanny, Bringing Molten Freddy back with no actual purpose, Creating a really weird terminator Virus and using a Skelletal Baby (which is not another versión of baby) as a way to kill Afton easily and saying that it's all her fault when she's literally a random animatronic: ✅️

[@_V.Va_]

I think what you're getting at the end is, it goes beyond the actions of a villain. It's their motives and who they're willing to sacrifice in order to achieve it.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Bingo!

[@filipesimoes618]

I know this is real random but I just met your channel yesterday when youtube randomly recommended me the video that you made about funtime freddy and how freddy is a star and all that. And i've been watching your videos ever since. You are awesome and have a beautiful voice. Keep going! :3

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Thank you so very much! 😊

[@darklord884]

What amazes me about Eleanor's introduction story about stealing the girl's body, it's almost 1-to-1 the flashback of the villain Cartaphilus in the anime The Ancient Magus's Bride. For those who don't know, Cartaphilus is an ancient, undying magician who was cursed by someone to never die. The downside is, he wasn't cursed to never age or to be invincible. So yes, he can be chopped apart, shot, beaten until his brain becomes mush, buried and left to rot (and his body WILL rot) or even just left to age until he is incapable of doing anything, but he will NEVER die. He'll stay fully conscious and suffer everything done to his body. He also insists on being called Joseph and reacts with violence if someone calls him by his real name, but more on this later. His backstory is revealed in snippets over time but becomes clear during a flashback of a young necromancer in training named Joseph discovering an old, nearly mummified body and starting to talk with it. The body introduces himself as Cartaphilus and offers to teach Joseph about magic. Next scene, we see "Joseph" stretching and exclaiming that he can 'finally walk again.' ...yes. Yes he did that. He stole Joseph's body and presumably his identity, doing who knows what to the actual Joseph. What's different about Cartaphilus however is that he doesn't do this just to cause pain and suffering. He needs to do this so he can go on and function, stealing new bodyparts to replace his old ones. He's actually working on a magical way to kill himself so he can rest. His renaming himself Joseph also really shows that he is tired of being 'him.' He wants to disconnect, wants to be someone else or just not be anything at all and as I said, reacts with exaggerated aggression to anyone even using his original name. He's still a sadistic creep who kills people just to experiment, but he has at least some underlying thing. In short, he does basically what Eleanor's introduction does but right.

[@eggman37]

Elenor is the biggest Marysue ever AND I DONT EVEN LIKE THE TURM MARY SUE

[@soulbound2]

Villain sue*

[@land3021]

I like the concept of the illusion disks, but damn... this makes Chaos; Head's core concept of "making delusions into reality" seem tame... And the only time they use that to "make other people see you as someone your not" is, well, only once, surprisingly... when the gang sneaks into a hospital or something - well... as far as my knowledge of the bad anime adaptation goes. Of course, the way that "making delusions into reality" works, is explained via the use of Di-swords and how focusing on them makes them more powerful... meaning you can create larger delusions, like bringing in weapons and making people feel actual physical pain from being stabbed by these delusion-generated artifacts... atleast thats what I can recall from my read through of Chaos; Child(because Chaos; Head isn't released on steam fully, although I may need to check up on that fan-patch, as I kinda forgot about that...). Oh and back to FNaF, I should say that a more direct parrellel is those weird back pack things in Chaos; Head&Child... that being because they physically exist and aren't delusions made into reality by someones mind. Wonder if there's a parrellel to remnant... nope, no there is not, but remnant on its own is a cool concept I guess, just wish that these concepts as a whole were perhaps mentioned/hinted towards earlier in the series if they were going to play such a big role later on... O shit almost forgot about one other case where delusions have been used to convince someone that you're someone else, that being a singular case in Chaos; Child... quite an interesting spin on the concept if I do say so myself as it looks at someone doing it for years on end, although I am tempted to speculate that they took breaks...

[@wendigomaneiro8892]

So, in other words, Eleanor is just Reverse Flash But the whole world is her "Barry" "Hey remember when that Foxy animatronic cursed you, and before you could make things right with your brother and lift the curse, you died? It was me, Barry! I was the car that killed you all along"

[@Mr.Feather130]

I hope whoever is the villain for tales from the pizzaplex series is going to be better than Eleanor from the Fazbear Frights series (even though I like Eleanor)

[@tashibalampkin8555]

0:37 Your delivery of the "half dead in a ditch" line is just hilarious. 😂

[@TrickyTurtle123]

The Pendant if I remember correctly isn’t a illusion disc(chip) Its a different thing completely. It is werid It does have similar things but it is way different.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

To be honest, I think that makes it even more confusing. XD

[@TrickyTurtle123]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476it IMO gets way more confusing with frailty. If that is the same pendant.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

But here's the real question... is it the same Jessica? *Ominous music building in the background*

[@EighmyLupin]

The funny thing about Illusion Disc's is that everyone says "Wow that's so crazy and out there" But 1 Haunted Robots and a Zombie dude in a Bunnysuit are pretty out there too and 2 While FNAF version is definitely more powerful, the tech for Illusion Discs are actually a real thing, so they are far more grounded in reality than point 1.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

I think it's how the discs work don't make much sense. Basically the sound causes a person to have hallucinations, and while the books says it makes them see what they 'think' they should see, they also sometimes show whatever the person/robot using the disc wants them to show, even though these discs are not shown being programmed on the fly. And that's not even taking into accounted the whole brainwashing through beepings scenario. XD At least in the robots and zombies this links with the concept of ghosts and spirituality. A lot of folks believe in the concept of human souls, so the idea that these souls are able to puppeteer an object isn't as out-there. At least, it's so common in media that it doesn't take much extra thought.

[@jiyojiy6202]

I love the funny visuals for the necklace

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Thank you. XD

[@charmyzard]

And they said I was exaggerating when I said I completely hated illusion disks being introduced.

[@yeahok8259]

I genuinely do appreciate the time and effort you put into your videos, by the way. I’m not trying to be a hater at all. I just happen to see the strong elements in this series, plot arc, and character that I can appreciate- it’s unnecessary to discredit it all as bad writing because of a personal opinion.

[@decepticusprevails]

He's here He's there He's everywhere Who ya gonna call? -Psychic friend fredbear!- Eleanor!

[@ithinkflutterawesome6511]

Am I 100% sure that the entire reason Eleanor was brought back as a villian was to service fans of the mid-quality (~and lowkey misogynistic~) Circus Baby lookalike in a desperate attempt to bait theorists into reading the books because the main conflict had already been set up to be resolved and Scott had no better ideas? No, more like 97% sure. Eleanor as charcater infuriates me so much she loops back around to being infinitely memable because nothing she does ever matters nor makes any sense.