Lesbian Nurses in a Twisted Serial Killing Pact

[@EleanorNeale]

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[@jacob2144]

Would you look into the Kelsey turner story from Las Vegas?

[@mariannasanfilippo5819]

You deserve an award for all the hard work you put into your videos it must be exhausting and very hard work ❤❤❤😊.

[@liyah49]

Hearing you say "vitamin" so many times was super cute

[@mentallydisturbedllama473]

Thank you for covering all of these cases

[@Rexs_Playground]

Hey! There's a case that just happened in my area thats been solved, but it was the kidnapping of two little kids. The mother had and her boyfriend had kidnapped them and have been arrested. Was wondering if you wanted to cover the case involving Verity Bolton and her kids?

[@lindseyt240]

Can we take a minute to feel for Mr. Ken? He married a girl when he got her pregnant and tried to take care of the baby, and her, and work full time to provide. He tried to imagine that his ex was an Angel of mercy not a sex crazed granny killer. He didn’t want her to die or hurt herself even after everything… but he did the right thing and told the police anyway. What a mess.

[@wolfzmusic9706]

Eh, I felt sorry for him for most of the video but he kept the murders a secret for at least several months. I don't know how a decent human being could do that. If somebody confided that information to me, I'd tell the police immediately (unless they threatened to kill me or something, but that didn't happen with Ken).

[@BabyJellyfish]

@@wolfzmusic9706you have no idea how you’d react. My thoughts were ‘I’d tell’ but you actually don’t know. Ken was a normal person like you or I.

[@wolfzmusic9706]

@@BabyJellyfish Usually I'd agree, but this woman helped to murder five people. I would not care about whether she died or not frankly. I would care way more about the victims than her. I know for sure I would tell people pretty quickly and not wait months and months. Maybe there'd be a bit of a delay, but after knowing that it's 100% true I would not keep it to myself for several months because it could lead to more deaths possibly, as murderers can kill again. So no, I would definitely tell pretty quickly because I know I'd feel absolutely horrible saying nothing and couldn't wait that long.

[@AnnaBee03]

I know right! Ken went through alot and he seemed/seems like an actual decent guy.

[@KatasuCorner]

You also have consider that she's not just his ex wife. She is the mother of his child.

[@Buggular]

As someone with BPD it really upsets me when people try to justify crimes by saying they have BPD. It just demonizes us. I would never dream of hurting another human being. BPD is not a proper defense/excuse.

[@freyabeyless7681]

So so true I also have BPD and it hurts me knowing people use differing mental health illness such as this to justify their horrific actions!!

[@exhaustedeloise]

one of my best friends has BPD, wouldn’t hurt another living being! such a demonised mental illness x

[@erinrutherford1374]

I also have BPD and it’s such a misunderstood and stigmatized condition. It doesn’t make us murderers 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@forevergirlb]

yes!!! i have it as well and any time i open up to people about it they always think im unhinged and unstable:(

[@Eugenia-517]

My daughter has BPD as well. I was infuriated listening to a case a few days ago of a guy who raped and murdered a 4 year old little girl. His defense tried to use his bpd as a reason that he snapped and tortured an innocent child! It's disgusting that people make such claims!

[@aw8951]

Damn who knew abuse and terrible parents would create psychopathic murderers. Never shocked hearing the back story of these people.

[@exhaustedeloise]

they’re all so similar, not many serial killers with a good upbringing…

[@ilovemycat3537]

​@@Stonedandbookishthey were being sarcastic

[@Stonedandbookish]

@theashwoodfaerie this actually isn’t true. Psychopathy is a specifier for antisocial personality disorder, it’s not a diagnosis by itself. Sociopathy isn’t real either, it’s the same thing. I’m about to finish my bachelors in clinical psychology and have done extensive research

[@Stonedandbookish]

@@ilovemycat3537 I have difficulty picking up sarcasm in messages, thank you

[@kordei-7839]

@theashwoodfaerie I guess it can be made worse by abuse.

[@tiffanymuchmore869]

Thank you for kind of sticking up for people with BPD. I have BPD and I'm in my mid 30s and I have never murdered anyone. It hurts seeing my disorder always blamed for horrific crimes.

[@nat1druid]

i have BPD too, and it has such a horrible stigma that even mentioning that i have it is almost ... embarrassing? yes i have BPD, no i promise i'm not a monster and i'm not gonna murder you

[@am_Nein]

YES. And, even so, I always say that "x can be an reason, but NEVER an excuse." (As someone who has some things that people use to excuse xyz.)

[@kaitsenpai]

i’m 20 but i have diagnosed BPD and even then, i lost friendships bc they had such a horrible perception of what bpd is. like damn, dealing with it is hard enough but people blaming it for crimes and shit- it becomes more stigmatized. i’m glad she stuck up for us. it’s so rare and so appreciative

[@tiffanymuchmore869]

@@kaitsenpai you are not alone, and you deserve better friends than that. ❤️

[@sandravd8841]

My grandma has BPD (diagnosed but untreated) and she wouldn't hurt a fly. There are some killers or abusers with BPD as well as other mental disorders, but actually most murderers don't have a mental illness. It hurts to think that because of a few bad apples there's such a stigma around mental illnesses.

[@danajohnson4757]

What's really scary is that if Kathy had never said anything, these murders would have gone unsolved and unpunished!

[@fefe1179]

THIS

[@aangelkinsplaylists6567]

people wouldn't have even known that there were murders in the first place... what a strange world!

[@am_Nein]

This?? But luckily (or unluckily..) for us, cracks always appear eventually.

[@am_Nein]

This?? But luckily (or unluckily..) for us, cracks always appear eventually.

[@indiaxo0707]

No frr, i was just thinking this

[@HeisenbergFam]

Eleanor deserves a round of applause for 5 years of dedication, 2 hour commentary is a blessing

[@tunacanistaken]

YOU. ARE. EVERYWHERE.

[@avi1600]

@@tunacanistakenI JUST saw him in a Big Will video the other day . . 😭

[@jaebae3678]

@@roadwarrior528what are u on about

[@grimvalker]

@@roadwarrior528 tbf everyone outside of america act like they know whats best for the country

[@rsha6435]

@@roadwarrior528don’t watch her then

[@seandelap8587]

Disgusting how they would use a position of trust to betray their patients in the worst way possible

[@paulwalker4546]

It happens a lot it's called a god complex the doctors and nurses some of them end up feeling like they get to choose who lives and dies and sometimes they think they are doing the right thing putting them out of there pain and suffering

[@aislingsibeallyons3416]

Happens everyday. People in power politics..... President..... dictator......doctors actually it happens everyday ( corruption) especially people with power / money or noble jobs .

[@kordei-7839]

@@paulwalker4546 That’s different from what happened in this case. You’re talking about the doctors switching off machines when patients are beyond help. Be serious.

[@paulwalker4546]

@@kordei-7839 no I'm talking about a god complex look it up and just cause a doctor says they are beyond help your still killing or murdering them cause you have to be the one to decide to " pull the plug" witch is just a nice way to say kill them it's like euthanizing a dog right so who cares and im not saying we shouldn't cause I tell everyone the day I can't go to the bathroom without assistance just end me what's the point of life if you can't even take a crap without someone else to help you... So I am someone who would love for assisted suicide to be legal again witch is is it's just not assisted suicide when they don't have a choice it's murder but because they are in a coma or something like that its ok to just end them cause there family said so

[@raimeyewens7518]

In 1992 Richard Williams murdered my grandfather and many others at the VA hospital in Columbia Missouri. You can google it and read the story. Before working there he was a nurse at a nursing home and a high number of people died during his shift so they let him go. They didn’t turn him in. He got a job at the hospital and continued his murder spree. He injected them with succinylcholine and watched them die. Back then it was untraceable in a autopsy. They later exhumed some bodies and found it. It’s been a long time since this happened but when I hear stories like this I get so mad all over again. Even more upset because I know he’s free and living among us. Someone in the fbi messed up the paperwork and he got off. I can only hope his last moments on this earth are as terrifying and painful as my grandfathers were. No…I hope they are worse.

[@tayk.t.523]

As a BPD lesbian in Grand Rapids, MI that planned on becoming a RN, I'm utterly shocked that I've never heard of this story.

[@juanitaandres9711]

Right i dont have Bpd or anything I live in GR MI and i listem to crime stories etc. this is the first time i've heard about this story.

[@melissaspurgeon7419]

I live in Grand Rapids too! And have worked as a Nurse’s Aide for over 13 years. I also had never heard of this case! WTH!

[@ultimateblisss]

right! i’m near gr and i’m in school to be an MA, i can’t believe i’ve never heard of this case

[@1978garfield]

Do you have some sort of network? Email list? Facebook group?

[@theamiablepirateroberts7839]

Dudes. Im originally from GR lets be true crime buds 😂

[@hughjack5066]

I feel soooooooooo bad for Ken. Having to raise a daughter on his own, and find out that girls mother was a serial killer jesus.

[@ShaggyNorvilleRogers]

The self harming to make gross men repulsed by her body is heartbreaking, I did the exact same thing💔

[@Candycloud_19]

I’m so sorry that happened to you. I hope you are healing ❤️❤️

[@TheIndigoSystem]

I did the same by gaining weight. I was still attacked again twice. I have self harmed for 24yrs now

[@shannonbobby1914]

​@@TheIndigoSystemstop. Ive been targeted vecause of my scars thry see us as vulnerable and easy to take advantage of...they dont care how we look

[@CarinaKi]

My step father sexually abused me from age nine until he died when I was 15. I developed severe anorexia and tried to "starve myself ugly". I hope you're doing better and know you're not alone!

[@kaitsenpai]

i’m so sorry to all the victims in this comment thread. Y’all are so strong and so brave. You’re still here and i’m proud of you. Keep healing and keep thriving. I was never sexually assaulted by family but i was sexually assaulted during school and that already is horrible but having your own family being the perpetrators… I truly can’t imagine. Y’all are so strong. You are killing it. You are all amazing, even if i don’t know y’all, ik you’re amazing. Keep healing, it’s a long journey

[@meganob5778]

aaaah time to get into bed and fall into a deep peaceful sleep after listening to the most soul wrenching true crime

[@GenXfrom75]

I watch these videos for images, etc... BUT! I fall asleep every night listening to creepy stories, usually the Let's Read channel 😅

[@annacostello5181]

@@GenXfrom75weird, huh?

[@noone3305]

i’m glad i’m not the only one who falls asleep listening to true crime podcasts 😭

[@Glostee]

Same

[@nicolejellema1412]

every night, all night 🖤

[@rachellinton6613]

I’ve seen a lot of true crime where lesbians are involved (wether as victim or perpetrator) and the word lesbian is rarely actually used instead replaced with homosexual or queer or even lesbo. As a lesbian, thank you for using the word!

[@eilidhcathcart5024]

Do you not feel bizarre that it’s made to be a descriptor of them - as if the lesbian part is a part of their identity as a killer? They don’t say “straight murderer” or “bisexual murderer”. Doesn’t that feel uncomfortable to you?

[@Lavenderskullz]

@@eilidhcathcart5024that’s what I was thinking 😭 Ik they are lesbian so the label fits but why would anyone *want* them to be associated with the lesbian community, they murdered innocent people.

[@LourettaLandon]

I was going to say something smart, then realized because I'm not a lesbian, I should probably stfu

[@marikwarik]

@@eilidhcathcart5024 i think its important to use the word specifically in this case bcuz of the dynamic going on. if it were any other case where the killer works alone, then i agree it'd b weird...

[@donnasulja6038]

@@eilidhcathcart5024no because it’s relevant to the story, they were a ‘couple killer’ and as such we’re lesbians who killed. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@StacOch1]

One of my jobs is a nurse at a Alzheimer’s facility and this story makes me so sad. Couldn’t imagine purposely hurting them. Terrible ppl!

[@PamelaH_HappyVibes]

Thank you for caring! I appreciate you and your line of work.

[@annaelizabzth]

Thank you for what you do. My mother has early-onset Alzheimer’s. She’ll be 58 on the 20th. 🤍

[@StacOch1]

@@PamelaH_HappyVibes thank you 😊 I love them 😍

[@StacOch1]

@@annaelizabzth Early onset is so hard on them and the family. Sending love ❤️ Those ppl are so dear to me.

[@MidnightsAnthem]

@@StacOch1 My Nana suffered from dementia in her last 2 years of life. Thank you so much for what you do

[@bespectacledheroine7292]

I just started working at an assisted living facility last month (Housekeeping) and I cannot imagine betraying the trust of such beautiful souls. These people are living history and have created rich life tapestries. I know many people care far less for the elderly than say children but I've always respected and appreciated them. This breaks my heart.

[@kristina4272]

As a nurse, I worked my butt off on the night shift in a LTC facility. The paperwork took most of the night. These women should have been closely supervised.

[@Lauriej117]

Everyone who doesn’t work nights, thinks night shift is quiet and easy. Absolutely 100% not true, especially if you are working with cognitively impaired residents or residents with mental health issues. Also, on nights there are less staff and resources available to assist when problems occur, which is most nights.

[@Lauriej117]

@@kristina4272 Definitely 👍

[@AmyAberrant]

They seemed to spend most of the time doing PDA in front of the residents, having public fights, and being hung over. Idk how they even kept the job.

[@Mia-kk3sm]

àaaz​@@Lauriej117

[@mollsewa]

I'm a Certified Nursing Assistant at a care home and my job is so important and special to me. I cannot even fathom treating my residents like this. These people are so vulnerable and you have to be a particular kind of evil to take advantage of them.

[@mentallydisturbedllama473]

I couldn't agree more.. thank you for everything you're doing. ❤️

[@mollsewa]

@@mentallydisturbedllama473 Thank you ❤️

[@lamaramariewilson6746]

I’m a CNA too! And I feel the same way! People call us Butt wipers and tell us our job isn’t important, but it is! I mean if you think about it, being a mom is glorified in our culture but it’s basically the same thing you’re caring for someone! The difference is that moms are wiping little butts 😅

[@mollsewa]

@@lamaramariewilson6746 Our job is so important, don't let anyone make you feel otherwise ❤️

[@savannah8536]

@@lamaramariewilson6746 thank you for all of your hard work and everything you do for patients 🫶🏻 a thankless job, but somebody’s got to do it, and I appreciate you being that someone 🙌🏼

[@nicolewade7631]

I am a nurse's aid for mentally handicap people, and it's such a rewarding job❤but i could never imagine treating them like this

[@travelsandbooks]

I'm sure you do a great job! Thank you for being a good person😊

[@PamelaH_HappyVibes]

Thank you for what you do to care for others. ❤

[@ElminasConcerts]

from a mentally disabled person who is involved in the mentally disabled community, we largely prefer being called 'disabled' not handicapped or special needs or whatever other term. its just other words that tip toe around what we actually are and are also made by non disabled ppl for non disabled ppl bc so many are uncomfortable with calling us what we are, disabled, for some reason

[@imreallydead.23]

You had me at lesbian nurses 😂

[@aliyaaguirre3803]

Agreed

[@The_Psycho_Red_Ranger]

lol

[@malazabdelrahim33]

Fr

[@AngelDelight69]

Why?

[@batbutts]

Had me at lesbian tbh ☠️

[@pattibramley3911]

Someone’s upbringing never excuses murderous or criminal behavior, but it sure does explain the multitude of mental health issues that these two suffered.

[@slange1829]

The police told the Texas police to arrest Gwen and they were like OK . I just love her story telling

[@pancon9947]

It never ceases to amaze me how you are able to humanize killers without justifying them. It's a real talent you have. You're very empathetic.

[@HkFinn83]

As a practitioner of lesbianism I am keen to make it clear that this is NOT generally supported in our community!

[@kaylao.3326]

“As a practitioner of lesbianism” 😂

[@sngray11]

I had never heard of this heinous and heartbreaking case. Thank you Eleanor for bringing this case to our attention. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims’ families and loved ones.

[@Zara_Brown]

Carols daughter jackie has spoke about this a lot over the past 5+ years online. She stayed with her dad & grew up in the same area all her life & faced a lot of crap for what her mother did. Shes struggled her whole life & suffered from alcoholism/addiction. The true number of victims of crime isnt just the actual deceased, but hundreds surrounding the crimes too. What a terrible story this is. May all the families & friends find peace & healing. ❤

[@kailiekitten1]

I'm so happy you covered this!! My grandmother worked with them way back then, and she always briefly told me the story.

[@nthgth]

"briefly" haha like during a story, "oh and this was back when I worked at that nursing home where two of the aides were co-sadomasochistic serial killers -- but ANYway..."

[@thealien_lookingthing7116]

Not me having to pause the video because I just spent 55:39 minutes listening to Eleanor talk about some murderers’ life 😅 Like?? You’re so good at narrating that I didn’t even notice how long it had been until you said something about it. Truly, another wonderful video /g

[@wynona7372]

Omg I paused the video and started reading comments at 53:40 and this comment shook me

[@tabathacattle6898]

Only Eleanor could handle this case with a mixture of care when talking about their early lives and condemnation as their behaviour got worse and disgusting. Thanks for another great case it was interesting and I couldn't stop watching from beginning to end ❤❤

[@melrhea12]

Your story telling and your care and respect for victims and your audience is truly amazing! I adore you and what you do 💕 also, why can’t some parents accept their children for who they are?! Let people love who they want to love! My nephew was gay and committed suicide from getting bullied just for being gay! He was only 15.. and such a beautiful soul.

[@PamelaH_HappyVibes]

I’m so sorry for your loss.

[@rkianaxo]

I'm sorry for your loss, I attempted suicide due to unsupportive parents and undiagnosed bpd

[@MythStarFire]

Healthcare workers who murder is definitely scarier than others. The hospital where I was born had nurse’s aid who claimed to have killed at least 70 people, but he couldn’t even remember all of their names. Donald Harvey got a job in Marymont Hospital. He killed his first victim a little over a one month after I was born. When you learn about someone like that who you knew was in the hospital, luckily not working there at the time of your birth, it is beyond freaking. He started spending time in the hospital because one of his grandparents was there. After the death of his grandparent, he got a job at the hospital. His first arrest was in 1971 on suspicion of burglary. He was drunk at the time of his arrest and bragged to the cops about killing 15 people at the hospital, but sadly they didn’t believe him. He continued killing until 1987 in hospitals in Kentucky and Ohio. He had at times claimed to have killed them out of mercy, but at others he has said it was the power that drove him to kill. Too many of his patients had made him angry before their deaths, in my opinion to be mercy killings. He even laughed at his trial. He was convicted of 37 murders (the ones he remembered their names, 37 out of 70 or more) and was murder himself in prison in 2017.

[@cassandrabevan5825]

Hi from Australia. I am a Registered Nurse and I really appreciated your coverage of this case it's one I haven't heard of. You did a great job on reporting this. So disappointing that people entrusted to care for the sick and fragile amongst us can be so evil and actually derive sexual pleasure from their heinous actions. Cheers Cassandra

[@coolcatrandom970]

You have no idea how glad I am that you release the video today ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING IT’S ALMOST 2 HOURS LONG. Your videos literally keep me alive while I work.

[@lucylawal5370]

Mood 👏🏼

[@Ionmw.bowen4]

I’m on a 4 hour road trip rn and eleanore has blessed my soul with this video🙏😎

[@Med_Zeb]

The build up you did with the background on both of those women was really well done.

[@lanyuncong1676]

It really says somthing about Gwen that a pact made through literal MURDER for the entire purpose of promising eternal devotion and connection to each other could not maintain her fidelity. You'd think that your partner being able to put you in jail for the crimes you commited might be able to discourage betraying said partner.

[@Jay-pe4gx]

Right? I can't stop thinking about this. Plus she has BPD which means the reverse would be one of her greatest fears so how could she herself do it? Shows how much empathy she likely lacked.. not even for her partner.

[@DozenTragedies]

I just read that Cathy told two different accounts while in prison both essentially saying she’d lied about Gwen being the murderer/ initiator of this pact bc she’d left her for another woman and wanted her put away for life. With her being a pathological liar it’s hard to know what’s real though :P

[@cameron8280]

Such a horrific story, I cannot imagine hurting an elderly person who trusts you, also for Ken to here all of this, it’s a shame he must have felt he was not kenough

[@laurabailey8833]

I have been avoiding true crime for a bit for my own sake, but as a nurse you hooked me with that title lmao love you girl

[@mentallydisturbedllama473]

Hello lovely Eleanor, I have a case suggestion; Okay so basically a year ago two loved teachers (Sara Böök and Victoria Edström) were brutally murdered by a student at our school in Sweden. There was quite a bit of coverage the first week or so and a little bit about a week ago when it was the 1 year "anniversary" of the incident, though other than that it has been pretty silent. (And a lot of it seemed to just be a great headline for news stations..which is heartbreaking). Which is quite sad for many different reasons but people are still suffering, myself included.. and it's almost treated as if it never really happened as people don't know how to handle the situation. And this whole thing just needs to be known to help bring awareness and educate people on how to and how not to handle a situation like this if it happens again. Our school did the best that they could with dealing with the situation, but because of a lot of poor decisions we have ended up suffering because of it. I'd just love if you could talk about it as these two teachers just deserve to be known by people..they were so so lovely. The justice system actually did good for once which is a nice change. Although the final verdict took much longer than expected which was quite frankly agony. The perpetrator had two psych evaluations and both said that even if he did have something it wouldn't be enough to make him do what he did. Though people are still trying to claim he was severely autistic saying that he was acting on impulses even though he literally planned it, just the victims were random. And people feeling sorry for him (which is also a punch in the gut for the people who suffer with mental health and are in the nd community, we aren't like this) and the public throwing out all sorts of vile comments talking about race and ethnicity and being horrible rather than focusing on the two women who were horrifically taken from this world at a place where they should have been able to feel safe. Just a thought, much love. X

[@mentallydisturbedllama473]

(This is a relatively old comment I'm just really hoping Eleanor will see it..)

[@petri_fish]

I hope she sees this!!

[@mentallydisturbedllama473]

​@@petri_fishThank you so much, lovely. 🥺

[@florencewilliams3827]

she has a form in the description which is where she gets her case suggestions from! i hope she does this one

[@mentallydisturbedllama473]

@@florencewilliams3827 Thank you. 😓 And yes I did see that! It was a really fun thing to do but I don't know if she's seen it but I hope she does.

[@wowjennawow]

i hate that lesbian killers are always brought up specifically as lesbian killers…. but i can’t help being interested as another lesbian 😭😭

[@dusk4974]

It's because they're known as the "lethal lovers". Making sure people know they're lesbians and not just friends who killed is an important distinction in a case like this.

[@fallenbee]

​@@dusk4974true, but it's just funny how people only bring it up when the LGBT+ person is the "villain of the story". Like, if we were to point out how idk some person who did something important in history is gay, everyone would be very quick to claim that they weren't gay and they're just friends with whoever they were obviously more than friends with.

[@charlottewilliams574]

Its really giving mixed feelings lol

[@dusk4974]

@@fallenbee will you give me an example, please.

[@lumiauroras6741]

Bruh

[@037klo]

Can I just say you don’t know how grateful I am for your content warnings, as someone who adores true crime but also suffers from ocd it can be hard sometimes. I get a lot of intrusive thoughts and mental compulsions around certain types of abuse and your very short and simple trigger warnings save me hours of checking and anxiety so thank you so much! And I love how you’re always so respectful even when talking about the criminal

[@alyshakitchen8648]

Oh my, the dog part is just unbelievably heartbreaking

[@melrhea12]

A 2 hour video of the QUEEN of true crime! I’ve seen every single one of your videos and I get so excited every time you upload!!

[@JoseSena-gs4tz]

2 hours??? I guess I can squeeze in more workouts at the gym. I love your channel for making my workouts one of the best times of the day, Eleanor!!!!!

[@pollo9958]

I only clicked on this video because of American horror story where I first heard of this case. I'm very happy she explained in so much detail whereas AHS's Roanoke didn't really focus much on it. Thank you very much for your dedication to your viewers.

[@max1mum0verdr1ve]

Ok good somebody else mentioned AHS because that's what I thought of when I heard this video

[@deidreanderson9979]

I just watched that episode last night! And wondered if it was based on a true story. Guess so

[@marauhhmarie]

I thought this sounded familiar!!

[@emilylowe2416]

Let’s all have a little bit of respect for Ellie & how she used to apologize for not posting for a while….& now she knows herself so well. She doesn’t need to apologize anymore for taking a “mental health break” to go on holiday/vacation 💕 she deserves it

[@clairegibson6417]

Good for looking out for mental health but let’s take a moment to appreciate the people who have no choice but to work their arses off to support their families in the current climate

[@itswaytoomucheffort5424]

@@clairegibson6417I mean people do get annual leave, and a lot of people get sick pay…

[@clairegibson6417]

@@itswaytoomucheffort5424 absolutely .. totally agree however I’m most jobs in this climate you only have so many sick absences within a rolling year and pay is limited before you go on state sick pay.. and many people have this in mind when able to take sick periods as they going to get significantly less pay which isn’t going to cover a family. Just feel when you are on the kind of money Eleanor is (and good for her, no disrespect) it’s easier to take breaks for long periods of time and it isn’t for a lot of people who watch her videos ..

[@sabrinai1479]

@@clairegibson6417then do what she does

[@IrishCanadianMichelle]

When you said ""he was in a proper panic"" I was screaming laughing 😂🤣💀💀 I even had to rewind it 3 whole times...oooohhh howling 😂😂😂 in Kansas USA 🇺🇸 Love ❤️ You

[@jefferlytoussaint853]

El is so cute, apologizing to herself for “interrupting”- girl, just talk! 🥰

[@MysticIsBabo]

As someone who works inside a residential/ nursing care home, looking after dementia patients our intentions is to treat the residents like our own parents, can’t believe that these two evil monsters stain good and hardworking care workers, May all the five victims rest easy

[@TY_007]

Rip

[@R0z_i3_2]

a video that’s 1 hour and 50 minutes!!! You’re spoiling us, can’t wait to watch it. I bet it’s going to be very detailed as usual, thank you. :)

[@TheKatie0927]

I was born and raised in Grand Rapids and I’ve NEVER heard of this oh my gosh!!! Thanks for covering this, going to share with all my friends. How CRAZY!!!

[@artsyfishie6186]

This really makes me wonder how many other elderly murders have flown under the radar

[@ohtobeastarx]

Your definitely my favourite true crime Channel, I really relate to your anxiety and I love true crime, you always humanise the victims and there's never any random f bomb dropping 💙

[@addyhernandez6879]

let's take a moment to appreciate that Eleanor is back 💓

[@TY_007]

FR

[@chandrabrown1622]

💯💯💯

[@That60sChels]

My mother and Cathy spend their time both at the same prison, that woman freaked my mother out just by the look in her eyes

[@Evieheartscaity]

I literally adore Eleanor sm. how she explains things & just her acc. Ive been watching her for 5 years and I’m obsessed .

[@camryn-bi5jb]

you’re the best true crime youtuber. truly. the way you explain things makes it so much easier to watch than most other creators!

[@marjorie3407]

Her and Bailey sarian

[@lacibeth0207]

I worked the first 10 years of my nursing career in care homes and I can NOT imagine doing this to these people.

[@delilahanderson7927]

I like how you added interview clips. You're doing great, and you look so beautiful Eleanor!

[@debradavis3935]

I’m pretty disgusted that they let Kathy out. I know she cut a deal, and she’d almost reached the end of her maximum sentence, but that should’ve never happened! They are both equally guilty in this horrendous crime. Thank you Eleanor for the amount of research that I know you had to put in to this. Writing the script alone must’ve taken the weeks! ❤❤

[@miaj94]

Correction: ▪️Most dementia patients are living in assisted living facilities or nursing homes with memory care units. We refer to them as residents. ▪️These facilities usually have one registered nurse (RN) on staff that often has only an associate’s (2 yr.) degree, not a bachelor’s of science in nursing (BSN). They usually have an administrator on staff also, and in my experience the facilities are often poorly managed. ▪️Licensed practical nurses (LPNs), certified nurse assistants (CNAs), and caregivers comprise most of the staff in nursing homes. ▪️An LPN program usually takes about 10-12 months to complete. CNA certification can be done in about 4-8 weeks or less, and caregivers without certification are not even required to have a high school diploma in most States. ▪️CNAs are the backbone of long-term care and assisted care for patients in hospitals and residents in nursing homes. They provide direct, hands-on care. Without them the whole care system would collapse. ▪️LPNs are “hands-off” nurses. They should be reclassified, in my opinion, and called something else other than nurses because they do not like helping with patient care. ▪️LPNs pass medications at certain intervals during the shift and informs the RN if any incidents happen. Other than that, they sit down lounging and eating or, on their cell phones the whole shift while the CNAs do all the work on the unit. ▪️CNAs are often bullied by LPNs, they are overworked and grossly underpaid for the work they do. Most are living at or below the poverty line, earning less than $15 dollars an hour and less than or barely $20 thousand dollars a year. ▪️Most nursing homes and assisted care facilities are for-profit businesses owned by corporations that make generous profits. CNAs are expected to do multiple jobs including: • provide direct patient care (bathing, toileting, and feeding) • housekeeping (scrub toilets, make beds, mop floors, clean dining room) • serve three meals a day (plus snacks) • taking out the trash • provide activities for the residents • provide laundry service • light maintenance • IT service • do charting and documentation ▪️The corporations get all of these jobs out of CNAs and barely pay them minimum wage. It is common for CNAs to be assigned to provide care for more than 10 residents at a time with no assistance from LPNs; leaving them barely enough time to get a bathroom break. ▪️Many CNAs are overwhelmed, frustrated, and burnt out. This is why there is such a high turnover with CNAs, staffing shortages, and why it’s hard to attract good workers to do these jobs. ▪️The shamefully-low wages and poor working conditions of CNAs is an evil in the healthcare industry that needs to be addressed and corrected.

[@luc.w]

Strange how no one ever mentions that straight nurses are straight when they hurt people but of course the word lesbian will get peoples attention

[@YourFavoriteTwo]

My grandpa fought in Vietnam and he didn't come back the same either. He became an alcoholic due to what he saw. Thankfully eventually he cleaned up his act and is now doing amazing.

[@kaydence27]

i’ve been watching you for years it’s so cool to see you do a case from my hometown

[@GrandmaDawn118]

Yessssss Ma’am! Almost 2 hours with the best True Crime Beauty ever ! I am here for it! And the timing is perfect! Again!!!! Ok…be back after the video 😊

[@Amanda_Bulldog_Mom]

Almost TWO HOURS of Eleanor?! I’m in!

[@siennatapley3485]

girl you had a huge glow up i remember when i was watching you 3-5 years ago

[@aisha8835]

My comment isn't related to the video, but I'm Italian and I study languages. One of them is English and being interested in true crime, some time ago I decided I wanted to start watching english true crime content. That's when I found Eleanor's vids and I literally became obsessed with them and her, and I can't even tell you how much I love her accent. Thing is, friends started noticing that I had picked up her accent when speaking English, so she helped me not only with new vocabulary. Now it is as if I always have a video of her playing in my head when I speak English 🫶

[@EryberrieTrueCrime]

Bloody hell where do you find these cases? This is insane! Congratulations on your new fur children btw x

[@rivervan]

After that hiatus, props to Eleanor for working as much as she had! You got me at lesbian (bi, non-binary), and of course true crime :).

[@TY_007]

Perfect combo tbf

[@livvlife]

This is so weird to me. As a lesbian, I find it so odd to specify that. You don’t see “straight killers do blank” or “straight killer” but I’ve seen sooo many gay killer tittles as if being gay is the issue or something. Multiple videos on this channel have “gay killer” titles. NOT saying Elenor is like homophobic or something, I don’t think she is. It’s just something I’ve noticed in true crime that rubs me the wrong way. Why can’t we just specify the dynamic as a couple? It literally doesn’t matter that there gay, the point is they are terrible people who committed crimes. Straight ppl also commit crimes, why does sexuality matter to specify when gays commit crimes? I don’t care the sexuality of someone who did a crime. There a terrible person for the crimes they did and this is the story of it. Idk. Seems so oddly specific and stupid.

[@itswaytoomucheffort5424]

⁠@@livvlifeEleanor is bi, she’s not homophic

[@livvlife]

@@itswaytoomucheffort5424 didn’t say she was homophobic. I don’t think she is. But you actually can be homophobic and queer. Unfortunately that’s possible. I was making an observation about queer ppl in crime. Focus on that. I literally said “I do NOT think Elenor is homophobic”

[@SuziMonkey2]

I HATE the process of “plea deals” in North America! How do they even keep track of what crimes are actually being committed???

[@janetrawlings1691]

Thanks you tell a crime story very well 😀 as a retired nurse it is a sad thing it makes nurses look bad. We are trained to make lives better. 🙏🇺🇲💔

[@Lauriej117]

These people aren’t nurses. They are nursing assistants or PSWs depending on what country you are in. As a RN, I don’t want to lumped in with these unprofessional, mentally unstable criminals. Also, the management at that facility was totally inept and unprofessional to have such drama and unprofessional behaviour occurring amongst the staff, regardless of their sexual orientation.🇨🇦

[@crazycatladyjo2688]

​@@Lauriej117Thank you.

[@bonniegaston5648]

I don't usually watch videos that are this long but this one was quite informing as always you do a great job with the facts and also giving the victim's respect keep up the good work

[@keighleygargrave]

Loving this super long video! Thanks for covering this case and for all your hard work ❤

[@starberryshortcakee]

As someone with a physically weak grandmother with dementia in a nursing home, this made me sick.

[@sxhizornsmn]

if Cathy was born in generation Z (sorry to sound cringe lmao) then her entire story would've looked so so different. assuming she'd have more accepting parents, she'd be able to have the freedom to express who she really is without judgement. she'd be less judged upon for having an abortion, having a teen/pre-marital pregnancy, she wouldn't be expected to then marry and stay together with the baby's father, etc etc... there's just so many parts of this story where I feel so blessed to be growing up in a much more accepting and understanding time.

[@alwaysinnocent1172]

You don't sound cringe at all lol. And a point to bring up, even if her parents hadn't been more accepting in this day, she probably could have found a shelter for LGBTQ+ youth. Maybe all of this could have been stopped if her parents were accepting and had the love in their hearts to love her as their daughter above all else.

[@M123Xoxo]

Unless she was born to evangelicals today, in which case her life would be sadly the same

[@malainakarpinski9499]

Some nursing homes have such bad levels of care. Some are great, but then there are others that break your heart. No one was as horrible to my great grandma, but my mom was working at the kitchen there while she was dying and overheard nurses complaining and joking about my great grandma's cries as she died. She was in pain, alone (my mom was working so she couldn't go over there), and crying out for my great grandpa and they ridiculed her and complained about a dying woman being in pain. Sometimes it attracts awful people.

[@roydrage7545]

Can we talk about how beautiful Eleanor’s hair is? ❤️❤️

[@chloed835]

it would be interesting to know the death rate at Alpine Manor before these two started killing, because how did not suspect so many deaths in such a short amount of time

[@soph__xo]

I love these long videos so much! When Eleanor uploads, my day is made

[@astridjuney77]

Ive actually never heard of this one, thank you so much for your in-depth coverage!

[@franbrooks605]

When she dug up that dog, I think it was because the dog was the only good, pure and loving entity she ever had in her life. And in her childish behavior she made a desperate attempt to hold on to it

[@Lishasquarepant]

I recently discovered your videos and I’m obsessed now.

[@sosacaustica7248]

The way Ellie’s voice broke talking about Gwen’s dog 😢

[@jaxdisanto2059]

Cold blooded murder is disguising but what is even worse, coming from someone who works in a residential nursing home, their victims were supposed be to be cared for by them. Every day I see the residents and think how wonderful they are and that they are so kind. I couldn't even imagine anyone hurting them.

[@cherylmazil1897]

I feel so bad for the victims and their families for sure... but you said Marguerite was 60 when she was murdered??? And had alzheimers for 12 years??? So she was 48 when she developed Alzheimers???? I'm almost 46!!! 😲 That's too young to get alzheimers!!! Sorry wrong thing to be caught up on... truly horrible what these women did to these elderly people in their care. 😢

[@emilydone6517]

Unfortunately there's early on-set dementia and alzheimers, I used to look after a woman in her late 30s, was really sad :(

[@lilmisskiss692003]

my father in law had leweybody dementia in his 60s (diagnosed early 70s). it's very rare that this type of dementia occurs in people his age. things can happen unfortunately.

[@marauhhmarie]

@@emilydone6517she was in her 30s and had Alzheimer’s/dementia 😱

[@StoryofNeomi]

Watched a documentary of people who got alzheimers when they were in their 20's! So heartbreaking!

[@cherylmazil1897]

@StoryofNeomi omg that's terrible! It's awful at any age but THAT young? Omg!!

[@lauriematthews7767]

I know its quite a well known case but the black dahlia is a very facinating case that I would love to see you cover!

[@kierstin8734]

great band too 🔥

[@Jess-3]

This is why I don’t trust care homes and would never put my parents or grandparents into one. Having worked in many myself and after hearing this story it’s confirmed for me that I would never do it. I didn’t want to anyway but this has fully confirmed it all.

[@sarahissersohn5495]

I cared for my grandma for as long as I could, but she eventually became too combative for our respite carers to safely manage (they were wonderful) and we did have to find her a very nice care home, where we already knew one of the carers who worked there - she actually really enjoyed socializing with the other residents and made some friends there. From everything I could tell, they did a good job keeping their residents safe and as happy as possible Do what you can, for as long as you can, but it’s different when you never clock out, even though you of course love and treasure your relative - anyway, there are decent places; you just have to really do your homework on it first

[@ilikeyoutube7224]

Can confirm - i have bpd and have not committed five murders. It must not be a bpd thing 🤷‍♀️

[@stephaniebattle-mollison2285]

Hi Eleanor! I have been watching your videos for years now. I want to give u a compliment about something I just noticed while listening to this video. Your verbiage, the way you speak and craft your scripts has evolved into something so mature and professional!!! Its really quite stunning to watch you just really find ur groove and stretch ur legs as a crime reporter!!!! Ur more than just a you tuber in my book!! Great Job Missy!!!! 💯👏

[@lady4vols]

Thank you so much Eleanor, I’ve missed you and glad for this video. Hope your taking care of yourself.

[@lyra8649]

Loved that Office reference! 50:11 hahaha awesome work as always, love your videos ❤

[@ロロノアゾロ-h4m]

It's horrendous how many in the medical field enter the job simply because they want to harm people. Even now, my cousin (who is currently studying as a nurse) would tell me stories of classmates and schoolmates of hers who want to be doctors and nurses because they want to spread ideas of anti-vaxx, homeopathy, and other pseudo-medicine and pesudo-science stuff. Her old roommate was even into essential oils and have repeatedly foughtwithprofessors for discouraging her from using the stuff. It's wild.

[@AmyAberrant]

That’s literally abuse

[@Yo.Its.Nyaysha]

When you're a nurse, your patient should trust you. Can't believe they would use this against them....

[@CYPRESSLAKIETA1]

This is crazy! I was in federal prison with Cathy. I worked in the library so I always saw her because she loved to read. People would always tell me what she was in for and I just couldn’t believe it. Now seeing this I am freaking out that I knew her. She was so down to earth, never bothered anyone. She even lived in the honor dorm which was hard to get into! I am flabbergasted!! 🤯🤯

[@jamiezuzu7326]

Wow 😯 glad you are out now:)

[@amiesolomon4348]

that’s crazyy

[@kunknown2340]

Damn what the hell you do to land you in federal prison?

[@ncteno]

rest in peace marguerite. haven't finished the video yet but my god that is so tragic. she was doing so well despite her health, with a family and friends. it's true that the worst things happen to the kindest people.

[@jordanjoseph681]

Cathy giving her husband the "friend hug" was very telling😭

[@ronaphillips1945]

I know it's rare, the overwhelming majority of people who work in the care industry are good, honest and caring people. That being said, it's cases like this that have helped me decide unless it's unavoidable I'll care for my mum at home until her passing. She's got stage 4 cancer, and a plethora of other medical issues and is nearly 82. That being said She's still very independent and spritely for now, but when the time comes which we know it will, we'll be moving in with her to take care of her. I feel so heartbroken for the victims and their families, such a betrayal of trust 💔

[@AnjieArias]

I am a caregiver ❤ I work with people who have mental disabilities ❤❤❤ it's an amazing job! 😍 So hearing something like this is heartbreaking.🥺😭

[@tamaramashnouk4789]

the disclaimer is getting fancier and fancier with every passing video😭😭😭 icon

[@SamAlsoAaliyahhere]

That nursing home has since been torn down right after this was taken place and is now a giant apartment complex behind a shopping center. I work In Grand Rapids and this story pulled me in.