Head to head: Zero SR/F vs H-D LiveWire electric motorcycles

[@slartybartfarst9737]

I run SRF. Has big capacity storage trunk in the " fuel tank" unlock with key. Zero acknowledged the "finish and fit" of the trunk lid and replaced all free of charge. Also for £2000 more you get double charge speed, heated grips, bar ends on premium version. SRF good performance / price ratio in EV bike world

[@daveyboygee]

Zero has some big stat advantages but I want the Livewire ... it looks great. Great review!

[@InfinitelyQurious]

I've test ridden both bikes and rode them under a variety of conditions. Both bikes are great, but I have to say the Harley was more fun. I can't put my finger on it, but it just felt more polished and smoother to ride overall. Spec sheets won't show it, but it just feels like you are riding on, well, an electric Harley Davison.

[@stevenday2067]

They’re okay. Hands on review of the Strike next!!!

[@CoasterRob]

2:18 what's the little pot of brown liquid I also noticed this on the zero handlebars but all the other reviews I've seen noones explained what this is for

[@Electrek]

Brake fluid

[@CoasterRob]

​@Electrek ah thank you so if the Brakes need bleeding am I right in saying all I need to do is refill the pot

[@heyheytaytay]

LiveWire is soooooooo pretty.

[@joellouisfire]

Yet soooooo expensive lol I hope prices for e-bikes go down quickly in the next 5 years!

[@quidestnunc9238]

Really!?! Really!?! De Gustibus Non Disputandum (as the ancient Romans, ancestors of today's MV Agusta and Ducati brands' designers might have said). Check out MV (which Harley owned for about one year then returned to the Castigliones for payment of one Euro). MV Agusta sold to a Russian and the design of any of the three-cylinder bikes is still dazzling.

[@Surya-qs1wc]

Ya

[@ramneetkalra7866]

It's Harley Baby....my dream bike

[@skateborg]

We need to see an update on the Lightning Strike!

[@mvetter]

Have you gotten a 20kWh battery and DC charging on yours yet? If so, you might consider letting Micah review it.

[@thomasmotorcycleman1175]

I can't believe you couldn't feel the performance difference!!?...I have both....and the livewire is much closer to sport bike performance and handling.....I feel the 10k difference.....these are 2 of 16 bikes in my collection.

[@creasefold1986]

hehe

[@peterczeck]

kudos to you bro. cheers. Would you list them for us ......... even I am building a collection myself, I currently have 9.

[@thomasmotorcycleman1175]

@@peterczeck okay here goes, 1981 Sturgis 1991 Sturgis, two Buell fire bolts, a 09 Buell lightning two Sportster roadsters, a 2001 Buell cyclone, a 2007 night rod, 2017 street rod, a 2010 XR 1200, a 2017 zero, a 2001 Kawasaki ZXR 1200,a 2010 Can-Am Spyder, a 2015 Harley breakout and a 2020 live wire, okay I think that's it, I did not list them in order but the 81 Sturgis I got when I was 19 years old and I got the 2020 live wire at 60 years old.....oh, I almost forgot... a 2011 street glide.!

[@peterczeck]

@@thomasmotorcycleman1175 sorry can't like your comment twice.... thanks sir. (from Asia). Any advice to semi-young bike collector? I m 29.

[@thomasmotorcycleman1175]

@@peterczeck My advice as a collector is, buy them if you want them, not for any kind of money value retention or investment, last year I sold two of my bikes, both doubles so I still have one of each of the same, I own them about 10 years and sold them for about 40% less than I paid for them, but I definitely consider it worth it, as they were very enjoyable, and made room for a couple new ones lol... When I was 29 I think I had four motorcycles... So you're well on your way to being a collector!, What are your nine?

[@kevindarkstar]

"which one is right for you" neither as they are way too expensive! Especially for us poor folk 😁

[@Surya-qs1wc]

H-d live wire is best for me

[@cooperrylan2764]

You all probably dont give a shit but does anyone know of a trick to log back into an Instagram account?? I was stupid lost the password. I would appreciate any tips you can offer me

[@estebanvan4864]

@Cooper Rylan Instablaster ;)

[@usmcsaxoki]

Hey! You guys copied my comparison graph between the two bikes from my podunk channel! Good review. The Livewire would be a HUGE achievement for Harley if it were priced below 20k.

[@BenjaminSodos]

is the pivot gear in the livewire a concern for maintenance? as the zero is motor to belt to tire, there is literally no maintenance outside the belt itself.

[@Alston427]

That "Brushless Bifford" motor that Zero uses is hard to beat

[@landofahhs_1]

Enjoyed your review. I wish all electric vehicles would establish standards for things like range though so it has some meaning for comparisons like the electronics industry did back in the 1970's for determining wattage. The prices of these bikes are....well...steep for what you are getting. I own a fully loaded Kawasaki Concours that cost me $12K new ready to hit the road. Both these bikes are bare bones...Not good. At their prices there's not much left over to invest in bags, fairing, or other accessories. Maybe some rethinking of the product line to include 'less beefy' models that are just a notch or two down from these bikes that make them more competitively priced and equipped? Otherwise, I'm definitely not part of their target market.

[@craiglamar8929]

Paul, I understand your comments, but I have to say, neither bike is meant for cruising on the freeway on long trips. This is a city bike for commuters or anyone that wants an around-town bike that is very fast. I can ride for 3+ hours on my Livewire in city traffic. Yes, you still need another bike for long trips. I'm lucky to have both. Everything he says in the video is true, however, the Livewire is fast, well built, and will put a smile on your face if you use it for what it's for.

[@JCF69700]

Each acceleration reminds me the sound of the Mabuchi RS540 motor of the RC car i bought in 1981 🤗

[@seansysig]

Sub 4 seconds 0-60mph is no joke on any sportbike. The computer enhanced traction control with all that torque is super safe not ever to be considered idiot proof! You can easily shed traction with either bike. The kevlar drivebelt takes a serious beating and keeps on driving these torque monsters. The Harley fit n finish is amazing, but $10K more seems like their trying to recover R&D money a a quicker rate.

[@THEREALZENFORCE]

Do you live in the 1970s with your sub 4 sec "fast" sports bikes and in 2015 for your computer enhanced traction. For over 20 years sports bikes are below 3 seconds 0-60mph (the 2005 Suzuki GSXR-1000R does it in 2.35 seconds). In 2021 the top sports bikes all go from 2.3 to 2.7 seconds 0-60 mph. Traction control is old tech in top Ducatis, and in 2021 even entry bikes like the 2021 Triumph Trident 660 (8k) have all the tech of the Livewire, also 10k Yamaha MT-09, 10k Aprilia Tuono 660, etc with multi level traction control, six axis IMU, cornering ABS, TFT screens, quickshifter, etc. A 10K MT-09 is faster fro 0-60mph, better top speed, better handling, more reliable than 30k Livewire. And i do not understand why Harley does not take the Livewire frame and put a 900cc watercooled V-Twin in it and sell it for 12k.

[@THEREALZENFORCE]

here and the list is mostly not updated : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_motorcycles_by_acceleration en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_motorcycles

[@DC2100Motors1]

I got a used Livewire and will buy a Zero soon too. The Livewire is ahead of its time and quality / feel is of the best. Figured the big 4 Japanese bike companies would have been first.

[@Sp1kerPistol]

US companies are always first.

[@dschwep7]

Thanks ! we love our Zero FX

[@CoasterRob]

I was initially looking at the live wire s2 del mar but now im looking at zero sr/f and giving these videos it seems im looking at the right bike all i have to do is do quite a bit of saving up

[@fotoamgamgfoto3695]

Thanks for the review! I had to choose between a used Harley LV or a new Zero S and I go with the Zero, but it does not have charge tank yet, so 12hours charging :) will upgrade if I'll have more money.

[@The1KovacsAttila1]

I was checking out the Zero motorcycles 2 years ago, I even considered buying one! So I went to a dealer to see it, test it in person. I was amazed how poor they appear for the price tag! A 15K Euro price tag for a big pile of cheap parts that look quite flimsy! Then there were some Honda motorcycles at the same dealer, even the lower power line Hondas (like CB 500 X and CBR 650) offered more quality by the looks and parts than the Zero, and they cost only half of the price! Ridiculous! (Also, the range is ridiculously short, but that fits the range of their competition as well!)

[@rso1411]

Great job on the review, thanks for posting. I learned a lot.

[@EDJe728]

Both are great bikes, but the SRF (cheaper, lighter, storage compartment, Anti-Theft alerts) wins for me. The Livewire does look more polished, but the advantages do not justify the price difference. The same goes for the electric cars, the Jaguar I-pace looks more polished than the Tesla Model Y, but I can get a Model Y for 60K as opposed to 80K+ for the I-Pace.

[@yoso585]

Sucks being among the less fortunate for sure.

[@AnMuiren]

Why is the Energica excluded from these comparisons?

[@tonydare7614]

As an FXE owner, I have to agree that these smaller bikes are a blast. I do a lot of Paris city riding and it's perfect in that setting. I tried an SR/S and it just didn't feel as exciting and the steering was heavier, as would be expected with the 100kg extra weight. I'd like to try the Del Mar just to see what their take is but over 200kg seems unecessary in a European setting!

[@peterwilliamson4296]

I like how E bike reviewers always share the thrill of the e motorbike experience. I see Sondor have just released a slightly less powerful e motorcycle that might be worth watching!

[@BenjaminSodos]

"released", it's never even had a demo bike or a single unit shipped, and people have been waiting A LONG time for any news from them. They even cancel orders for people who get mad at the wait... in short,... SONDORs bike may be a scam.

[@BN99239]

@@BenjaminSodos Sadly yeah. I don't see how they even pack 80mi range and an 80mph top speed in an ebike that is $5,000 USD. That's WAY too cheap. So unless they figured out the magic equation that no other ebike makers have, they must be using really cheap parts or just straight out lying on the spec sheet.

[@gmy33]

great great review .. and indeed .. people with less money buy a zero fx .. and you ll be smiling !!! i have one for 5 years now .. no regrets .. i drive it on and offroad switching wheels .. . but shure would want a livewire !

[@K1989L]

I wonder when are they going to come up with a more relaxed electric motorcyle model? Custom type motorcycle riders are familiar with hefty weight and tend to just easily cruise around. That sounds like a lot of the area for electric motor. To me at least..

[@michaelderosier3505]

Please update this video. Harley just came out with a newer model priced at 20,000.

[@compuhombre]

Why not compare the LW to the SR/S?

[@dreamkiss4u]

I really wish you cab test out the Suron with the new speed controller they are using to make it crazy fast.

[@LightCrasher]

As much as I hate HD for their pricing policy among otehr things, I think if there is a product from them worth supporting, its this one. Btw, I have a question, just how climat-dependant e-vehicles are in terms of accumulator longevity in the cold. I mean both earleir discharging problem and battery life in general.

[@Dubl3R]

Can you do the Segway x260 please

[@RobertsIslandLivingAdventures]

Would we be cutting our rides short if we can only go 100 miles before needing to charge overnight?

[@jesuisravi]

which one are they discounting about 60 percent? That's the one that is possibly for me.

[@chrissmith7669]

With the new price the H-D LiveWire is hands down an awesome deal. I’m going to go test ride a LiveWire to see how it feels for myself.

[@ttp_007]

For what you get for the money, the Zero SR/F by far the winner. IMHO LiveWire is ridiculously overpriced to justify the finishing and features, you paying thousands of dollars more for the brand-name pride.

[@Don-Kruse]

Nice thorough review, I have the H-D LiveWire First Strike 175//500 I’m coming up on 5,000 miles now as it’s my daily driver here in Tampa Florida, I currently own several other bikes including an H-D Electra Glide and a Vmax and have to say the Livewire is by far my favorite. Here's a little interview I did a few month ago from an owner's perspective for Harley-Davidson that starts off with me pulling up to my office plugging it into my solar panels (90% of all the energy that has gone into my Livewire is from the Sun) kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXi4Z2SoethmmMU

[@goosefraba2385]

Doesn't that feel good? Solar power for charging electric vehicles. One of my future projects i will take over. Just thinking about it makes me smile. I hope Tesla provides their new batteries for motorcycle/Electric bicycle manufacturers. It will boost their range plenty with the limited space they have.

[@thorstambaugh1520]

The SRF smokes HD hands down, er I mean 10000 dollars down

[@BN99239]

Expensive, yes, but if you don't really drive people around or haul cargo, it's quite a lot of performance for something around the price of the cheapest car (almost). Not to mention no maintenance and no fuel.

[@johnkenny4017]

Who is making this high tech bike bike for harley ?

[@COMMANDERREVZ]

I'm a Zero owner, but now that LiveWire is a separate brand and almost 8K cheaper it is essentially the same price as the SRF. LiveWire is probably the better choice.

[@Stevesmith-yw7cr]

Electric motorcycles......will I have to pay a state fee to use it? I have a Prius and a Tesla and I have to pay an extra $200 in licensing fees because I use less gas or no gas and so I have to pay a fee to drive on the roads. Is it the same with electric motorcycles?

[@allenclinton4874]

Can you review a barbie jeep next?

[@starwarsman2709]

Love the livewire awesome thanks

[@alexandrecarvalhonaves2200]

Now that the HD is a separate entity, price dropped 10K and there is no reason to not go for it. Going for a test drive this afternoon. Most likely trade my Ultra Limited Custom and get out of ICE forever.

[@mashlikethepotato]

Did you stop at that stop sign?

[@invasion1824]

Lol

[@alphapapahern]

LW beautiful bike. I'd LOVE to have one, but there aren't many "er"s to the LW compared to the Zero. The only "er" the Harley has is it's nicER. It IS nicer, no doubt. It seems you'd get a Harley LW just to say you have a Harley E bike. Yeah, knock the price down 6 to 8k and yeah, less focus would be placed on the lack of "er"s. Yes, the other E manufacturers have been successful starting off with higher end vehicles because they offer something more than just plug-in capabilities. The main thing is acceleration. The Harley is AWESOME. I'd love to have one, but dang, it is nicER but it's also expensivER.

[@bikebudha01]

For a bike that only goes 70 miles (at highway speeds), the Zero is way over priced. And of course spending THIRTY THOUSAND for a bike that only goes 70 miles, well that's just stupid. If, however, you want a fantastic commuter - the Zero is hard to beat. Espcially if you just get the SR (even better if you can find one used)....

[@davidson2004fatboy]

BOTH MAKE GREAT BOAT ANCHORS

[@donm.1068]

Harley needs to make one with a 5 or 6 speed transmission. It would be odd to ride without my left foot doing something. That's why automatic scooters never made a big bang over the years..

[@OKBAOK]

I understand all this electric scooters, electric motorcycle it’s all about saving gas I get it you guys solved that. Here’s my another concern. Since it’s electric cars don’t hear you but, you’re there. For safety can they put speakers with module with different sounds of motorcycles so that cars they know you’re there. I hope they thought about that.

[@BDcrane34]

I will buy Zero SRF one day... Year 2138 😛

[@da72ma]

Comparing the Harley Davidson Livewire to the Zero SR/F... did the Zero in the tested version have the 6 kw rapid charger or the power tank?... for the Zero speaks the 20k USD price compared to the 30k price tag of the Harley... I think Harley shot themselves in the foot... if I buy the electric version, the Zero would check all the boxes... Harleys were never price cautious and other comparable motorcycles always 10k cheaper with similar or above options and performance .. no wonder Harley is in trouble... Harleys got better, but you can't get money from younger riders in the realm of 20 or 30k...

[@chrisdreier923]

You could do a lot with the extra $10k from choosing a Zero

[@ностромов]

"What I'm looking for" is long range, fast speed and acceleration and FAST charging (of course, it's an electric vehicle. duh). For the price of what a Japanese liter bike would cost, because why would I pay double the price when I can buy that regular bike and run it for 10+ years with that money instead (and never have to charge it once). Too much to ask? Apparently.

[@dayuhanspace]

i like steampunk so i go for the harley livewire

[@ElmwoodAl]

You ran the stop sign

[@ocnblizzard4764]

Do you need a license for electric bikes?

[@daniele_go]

Model 3 at 35k$ or LiveWire at 30k$ ? 😃

[@saoirsethewanderer]

You might as well compare any car with the motorcycle is that is what you want to do. Also, the Livewire beats a Tesla 3 Performance if you are just interested in performance. Ultimately, it isn’t for everyone, but if you want electric and you want speed and torque, the Harley is great.

[@saoirsethewanderer]

Oh and a Tesla performance is over 50k so you gotta pay more for the Tesla.

[@saoirsethewanderer]

Oh and there isn’t a Tesla you can buy anymore for actual 30k.

[@erikyordanov7707]

Such a nice video

[@evolv.e]

“2 of the most premium electric motorcycles you can actually buy”.. Micah, where is the Enérgica?! 🤷🏻‍♂️ I’ve ridden all three and love to see that comparison. Thanks!

[@THEREALZENFORCE]

Energica obliterates both and the upcoming Kymco Revonex will sell more than the Livewire for half the price

[@stormedbyhippiesc3966]

That zero looks like the Birkenstocks of motorcycles. 0 in the cool department.

[@guymontag1427]

HD is too political for me. I’m going with the American Motorcycle company Zero.

[@kignacio]

I’m interested in your view here. I’m against supporting China, and fear the Livewire uses more Chinese components. I know Zero is more grassroots, but unsure what percentage of the bike is truly made (not just assembled) in America

[@dirtona2606]

if only we could buy these at the chima price

[@hughconnelly6278]

Nice comparison, but wow, $10K extra for the Harley feels like too much. I'm going with the Zero SR/S Premium with extra juice. Micah, wanna build me a battery!

[@mervintelford3677]

No contest as far as energica is concerned. Energica has far superior specs. The latest enegica Experia adventure tourer does 420 km per charge 👀. That's 260 miles and has a 40 minute fast charge time. Zero and Harley are now dinosaurs.

[@MisterNotSpanish]

If you live anywhere close to a place you can buy an energica, sure.

[@optimusprimer4392]

The day Harley-Davidson Livewire goes 200 miles before recharge I'll buy one

[@darrell3368]

I road the live wire it’s awesome

[@exnihilo415]

I hope you meant rode, otherwise that's an awkward talk with the dealership after a test ride.

[@darrell3368]

I rode it in Jacksonville Fl when they toured the us at HD dealers and I was lucky to be picked to test ride one my boy was picked to ride one in Atlanta Ga he loved it to if they was cheaper we would have one a peace

[@exnihilo415]

@@darrell3368 I rode one on a stationary roller they had set up at a conference. It seemed ok. $30k for something with that limited range and no level 2 charging is pretty much a non starter for me. Interesting glimpse into the future, anyway.

[@darrell3368]

exnihilo415 we road on a trip around the town about 10 miles yes there way to expensive

[@quidestnunc9238]

Spell Check, Daa-rule, Spell Check. Ride the Zero and any of the Energica models then get back to us. The Livewire is top heavy and the S R/F or SR/S is Knot (humor re. Spell Check)

[@Amnpaterson]

zero doesn't have a touchscreen, way to fuck that up...

[@quidestnunc9238]

Okay, now let me get my feeble brain around the information presented here (as the Owner of a Ducati Hyperstrada, Harley Road King Special, Honda CRF250L Rally and Yamaha XSR900 who has been itching to comparison-ride any Energica against the Livewire against a comparable Zero such as the SR/S or SR/F): 1) Livewire is 12% Heavier than Zero: 2) Livewire is 50% more expensive ($10,000 is what percent of $20,000?); 3) Livewire charges way more Slowly than the Zero; 4) Livewire has better fit & finish; 5) Livewire is slower than Zero to 60 MPH; 6) other reviews say that Livewire is Top Heavy; 7) Zero has How Long a Battery Warranty? 8) Harley Livewire has a Battery Warranty that is How Long? 9) the nice guy who reviewed these Motorcycles ommited whether either bike makes available Any Range-Extending Battery Pack setups; 10) charging stations and home/office charging setups are less convenient And More Expensive for the Livewire. Do I have those facts all Correct, folks? I have listened to this video Twice; perhaps I should have taken notes.

[@darrengriffith9680]

Battery warranties on both bikes is 5 years unlimited miles. Livewire is over 1/2 second faster to 60, 3.02 to 3.65 for the zero. Cycle world and don canet who has a ton of road racing experience said the livewire is the superior handling bike and doesn’t mention it was top heavy. Zero has an extended battery pack of 3.6 kw but it’s not ready yet to my knowledge. As a zero owner I can tell you that they chose too narrow a carbon belt for the sr/f and many have broken their belts already. A new one is a few hundred and a pain in the ass to change. Harley did miss the boat with not having level two charging; that was a stupid move. The Harley is crazy expensive but for the price you get a high quality, sorted bike with a huge dealer network. Zero has done amazing for what they are as a small volume manufacturer.

[@saoirsethewanderer]

You got the charging time wrong. The Harley has Level 3, which charges faster. There aren’t as many places that offer it, but all Harley dealerships offer it and for free.

[@quidestnunc9238]

@@saoirsethewanderer There are four H-D dealers in Dayton metro (including Richmond, IN), five H-D dealers Cincinnati (two owned by same guy as Buckeye in Dayton), five dealers in Columbus (three owned by Ricart Auto): total of 14 stores. Three, total, had rights from Harley to Sell Livewires. If any of the others has Level 1, 2 or three chargers, it was news to the service department at each of the seven dealers I phoned in February. Perhaps the MoCo has bullied/required all dealers to install/set up Level 3 chargers. I shall check later today or Wednesday.

[@THEREALZENFORCE]

@@saoirsethewanderer Energica 21.5 kW bikes 0-60mph in 2.3 seconds and 250 miles city range and 120 to 140 highway range, better handling, better brakes, twice faster charging times, 215 Nm of torque, and 3k cheaper than the live wire.

[@saoirsethewanderer]

@@THEREALZENFORCE You are mistaken. Stats on paper aren't stats in actual use so the stats of range and speed for the energica aren't quite what they say. That's the first part. Second, where are you getting twice the charging speed? So they can charge in less than 30 minutes? No way. I like Energica, but right now, they look too much like a traditional sport bike for me, and I am not into that look. They are a lot of plastic, and I am not into that either. I am also wanting to be close to a place I can get repairs done or that will tow me in if it stops working.

[@tomioka.6703]

The FXS kinda looks like the plague doctor lol

[@maravilla1459]

The best joke ist both have a “fuel tank” look 🤷🏼‍♀️ on a e-bike. If I buy a e-bike I want a NEW design, not old fashion. Form follow function🤘🏼

[@saoirsethewanderer]

Gotta have somewhere to squeeze legs on and I think it is also about aerodynamics, but yea they could have done something with the design.

[@krishnansrinivasan830]

Nice & Thanks :)

[@ramizsheriff3050]

It’s better to get a Tesla car instead of Harley , 30 000 + bucks price tag is really makes me upset : (

[@ImranKhan-sj5ji]

When will tesla gonna make a ebike

[@DMaster27]

Belt driven?

[@TheOKTerrificable]

Harley's been doing belt drive since the 1980s, its surprisingly solid.

[@steve8674]

I would def buy the livewire. I am not interested in any other electric bikes

[@Boburto]

Reviewer is surprised that the bike which costs $10k more has better fit and finish. I mean, what were the odds... Worst part is he implies there is something wrong with the 10k cheaper Zero. I’d be surprised if the more expensive bike was worse quality.

[@saoirsethewanderer]

It isn’t much different than a Lexus vs a Toyota. They are almost the same but if you have the money you would buy the Lexus model over the Camary.

[@evolv.e]

Or spend 10k than the LiveWire, *and* get better fit and finish than the Zero with an Enérgica.. *and* get nearly twice the range.. *and* more performance.. *and* more charging options. Just sayin’.. Great video comparing similar electric motorcycles, and I understand that comparing either to a Ribelle would’ve been an easy win for the Italian. That’s not to say that the SR/F & LW aren’t nice bikes.. they are, but neither outperform an Eva, Ego, or SS9 on value, performance, or features.

[@markknotten1210]

I doubt the lease payments for the Harley are 50% more then this 0. I almost bought on let-go the first 100 mile per hour 100 mile range motorcycle. That's the one that the trucking company bought the IP for the batteries for. The trucking company competing with Tesla. So I know what you mean about not being able to afford something the seller said they have been parked too long but had not been used much. That was a $20,000 motorcycle and they did not make money at that price. It was a good deal at $1,000 but too far away and I did let them know that I was very sorry having made a lowball offer that was accepted and not being able to consummate the deal in time. The lease payment is of course cheaper than an electric BMW car almost any electric car what cost more to operate come apart when you consider parking and how much longer it takes to get some place. Harley is a larger company, likely more secure oh, so the warranty I assume means more. You failed to mention that if you buy it locally you can charge at the place you bought it? I think that's a big deal if you need the rapid recovery. The zeros eccentric DC charging that slower than level 2 must be corrected in the new motorcycle you mention? I mean it makes no sense whatsoever. Level one is not even 3000 Watts right? Charging a Harley in 40 minutes creates a significant dependency on the warranty and I have to wonder if it's the same as electric cars, the mandatory eight years? It should be. I know that some of those Southern California ebike companies claim a battery warranty but they only help you out if your battery has stopped working completely. as a reward for anybody who has read this entire comment on eBay right now is a lithium titanate one kilowatt hour battery e-bike pack with charger for 499? That's $8,000 equivalent and they could charge far faster than for 40 minutes, last much longer, and produce a million Watts instead of barely or not even 100,000

[@ytytyt2516]

Zero Looks better than Harley

[@Stratocasterhead51]

I must say i dont understand why the information you give on these bikes is so limited. If you actually have the equipment necessary to perform and measure 0-60mph tests, you have the same equipment to perform brake tests, 1/4 mile runs, 30-60, 30-90 acceleration runs... You heavily imply that the brakes on the Livewire are superior but give no evidence that they are other than brand reputation (not disagreeing with you, just stating facts). Do either of these manufacturers not allow you to do performance measurements? Is this why we get so little info in head to head reviews?

[@shahabdallah9407]

It is mostly you will find live wire funs are Christiano Ronaldo Funs and Zero SRF are Messi Funs in real life... It's so happening according to someone's personality and the ability of spiritual judging.. it can be changed

[@Agent77X]

I take the Zero and slightly cheaper $10K savings!

[@sil3ntman]

I respect the technology behind these. But I can’t sit well with the fact these will most likely be the future of motorcycles after generations of combustible engine bikes. The quietness, price, and just overall lack of character doesn’t impress me with these.

[@wickedleeloopy2115]

The better looking harley is heavier & more expensive... It will fit right in with the rest of there product range , they are having trouble giving away...😆

[@suppafly68]

FXS..👍👍👍👍

[@MikeMPharmaCyclist]

I think it's a fair comparison overall, but when you list out specs in the beginning it's a bit misleading to not include price, it's essentially a spec. And when you know the zero costs TEN THOUSAND less that makes a HUGE difference when comparing specs. They're not even in the same category as you basically said at the end; for all intents and purposes, the Livewire is a rip-off.

[@craiglamar8929]

I'd disagree. The Livewire is a better bike if you can afford it. It's faster, better fit and finish and more comfortable. I know it is subjective, but after riding both bikes, it wasn't even close how much better the Livewire felt.

[@MikeMPharmaCyclist]

@@craiglamar8929 it's fine to disagree and get into the nuances throughout the video, but a difference in price that substantial needs to be noted up front. In what world of motorcycle shopping is a 10k price difference not something that needs to be mentioned immediately? You could literally buy a second motorcycle, and not a bad one, with the price difference. If it was 500 dollars or even 1k okay, similar class comparisons. But the Harley is priced in an entirely different tier and frankly I think it's sad that for FIFTY PERCENT more, the only advantages to note are subjective based on feel and fit and finish, not even mentioning you get a bike that can't use the relatively ubiquitous level 2 charging standard.. insulting to the consumer.

[@MikeMPharmaCyclist]

@@craiglamar8929 I guess I think of it like car shopping... Would you compare a 40k decked out Toyota to a 60k (ie 50 percent more) Lexus and be happy with relatively minor differences between the two and even some disadvantages for the Lexus? I find it highly doubtful.

[@craiglamar8929]

​@@MikeMPharmaCyclist There are several reviews out now saying the same thing. The Livewire has better quality, better performance, liquid cooling, DC Level 3 charging. Those are all real benefits. I live in a metro area with lots of Level 3 charging stations so, as one youtube video review said you will spend less time waiting for the bike to recharge and more time out riding with the Livewire.

[@MikeMPharmaCyclist]

@@craiglamar8929 I'm not even saying it doesn't have some advantages, but I am saying for 50 percent more cost it's not even comparable. And the level 3 charging is great in some areas sure, but level 2 is far more common and it's only about 30 to 45 mins slower than level 3 from what I've seen... seems like a huge risk on Harley's part. Again, is the Livewire decent? Sure... Is it worth FIFTY PERCENT MORE? my humble opinion is hell no, but I've never been much of a Harley fan as long as I've been a rider... the prices have always been a joke for what you get.

[@tbonesenior6736]

Great bikes

[@whichri79]

the LiveWire bike cut the price down... under $20k with govt incentives

[@roodick85]

Lol I think the Harley loses before this started

[@maartenvanneste]

Now 06/2021, livewire has a now low price...

[@chopperking007]

The harley is 50k here in Australia....GULP .

[@hjkfdfjfhjjfghjf9057]

SR/F крут

[@valiant7357]

Counter steer.

[@makatron]

20k for a city bike, hard pass

[@karlInSanDiego]

NOT a city bike at all. SR-F is equivalent of a 1000cc sportbike. Only the range, portliness of these bikes, and the price let them down, and most wouldn't notice the weight until you try to lift it. If you have a 40-70 mile commute and can use this every day including freeway, charge it with renewable energy, you have great alternative for whatever other bike you might choose to ride with. If you're a weekend-only rider, there's not much point in these except for limited distance rides.

[@darrengriffith9680]

karlInSanDiego as a zero owner as well as an owner of a zx10 I can tell you it’s not the equivalent of a 1000cc sportbike. It’s pretty fast but dies fast past 80mph. The zx10 eats it for lunch. However, it is an amazing bike. The app is bullshit though; it connects when it wants to, which isn’t often.

[@HarleyDavidsonVince]

How about incredibly no.

[@jace2wheel762]

Having ridden both heres my take aways and a few truths... Both bikes pull enough to make anyone grin and giggle like an idiot. Both bikes come up short on range. Let's be honest they can easily do another 30-40% distance with what they got so why the sub 200 mile range limits? Yeah the zero has the option for an additional battery pack but for another couple grand and added weight... Both are still stupid early to the game in terms of EVs and their place in our economic times and cultural blocks(try riding either in Texas or alberta Canada. The shit you will take from the wilfully ignorant shit heads is astounding.) The live wire is the first attempt by harley and they got 4 more on the books and in the works. Zero has been in the game for a while and by default must keep planning for the next gen, bigger faster longer range etc etc, so is it worth getting one now when, not if, when a better one is coming in the next year or 2? Both are good for what they are, no question. But they ain't there yet

[@krisk1547]

Harley probably cost more to insure.

[@J3sus1sL0rd1]

Overall deal will leaned toward ZERO SR/F as 10 Grans lesser money than the Live Wire over-priced motorcycle.

[@warrioroflight346]

Zero SR/F 😍

[@金岱決]

LiveWire.......looks good. but, im SR/F......DONE.