Electric Car Charger With Solar Divert! (2 EV Charger Household)

[@DavidPitt-s5f]

Thanks for your wonderful and informative videos.. Wall boxes are so expensive. I've gone another route and bought a 32amp socket for £35, and a 7kw portable charger with a lovely big blue plug top, for £170.. Both from Amazon.. Now I can charge at 3 x the old rate, all for £205, (not a grand)..All with OVO for 7p/unit.. And I can charge for 7p during the day.. Hopefully this will be of interest to your viewers.. Thanks again for all your work... Best wishes David..

[@williamclark6466]

One of the things that I like about you is that you don't beat around the bush. You get straight to the point. And I can always count on you giving us the gods' honest truth.👌👍

[@waqasahmed939]

The RFID thing could be useful for landlords too that have "bills inclusive" rooms. Normally bills inclusive doesn't include EV charging so it would allow someone to pass on any charges. It'd be cheaper than the tenant / lodger charging elsewhere. Equally might be good for things like zapmap, but then you would "bill" per the hour

[@steve_787]

It's also good if you were to rent out your drive to those who can't charge at home or just want to share it with friends/family if they haven't got a charger. I'd still like to see a system where you have an RFID card issued by your energy provider and then you can be billed at your home rates. That would solve a lot of the issues around public charging cost (just pay a connection fee) and those who can't charge at home.

[@martinwhyte6068]

Thanks

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Cheers fella!

[@TonyOrc]

I understand your point about having one app that controls them all. I am still fully analogue, but my next house will have a full solar system and I will be looking hard at who does the best system. Thanks for the tips and suggestions.

[@kiddwong4186]

You don't necessarily need to get GivEnergy batteries and solar PV, I have different systems installed separately that integrate fine but if you are doing a fresh install it may be more cost effective to buy it as a package.

[@johndoyle4723]

Thanks, yes indeed this is the way forward. I am very often at home most days, so in Summer I just plug the granny in and select 6,8,10 amps according to the sunshine and my battery level and hope to export nothing and end the day with a full house battery. Automating my manual efforts is ideal.

[@MikeGleesonazelectrics]

I can see where you're coming from, much better to have 1 app for control. I have just had a Givenergy battery installed, in addition to my existing powervault battery which has been good but is now too small for my needs. So that's 2 apps plus a myenergi app for the charger, plus a mixergy app for the hot water.. doh!! And yet another app for my MG4, good job I'm retired because it takes me most of the day to get them all in sync!

[@peteglass3496]

Being able to turn off the stupid flashing lamp on the EVSE is really important if you are in a location where you don't want to attract attention. Good one Andy.

[@smithleon]

Another useful video, thanks. Only slight problem with your in-garage videos is that nothing is ever in focus :) Makes me feel queezy by the end ;)

[@gadget231]

Yay! At last... Been waiting for this one

[@justsomeguy934]

That appears to be a phenomenal product! Imagine a car charger that can do the energy diversion for you.

[@marria01]

Since getting my solar and home battery installed in autumn 2022, I used the solar diversion feature of my Zappi extensively last summer (the part of the summer that didn't suck, obviously) and had a very complicated prediction script that ran every night to minimise my total grid usage by ensuring my home battery could get the most power from the sun, followed by my car, then the grid. But since Octopus effectively quadrupled my export tariff, that's all gone out the window. Come the spring/summertime, the home battery and car will charge overnight and every joule of energy generated by the sun will go out to the grid. Shame really, as I spent ages tweaking those scripts and automations in Home Assistant. Oh well....

[@edwardpickering9006]

Good solution and if you get them both wired in will be a lot more effective than a 3 Pin charger.

[@ThinkOfANumber68]

I wanted to get one of these but it was always "being released next month" so I couldn't wait any longer and went for a Zappi.

[@bradleyarcher9840]

I think they’re a better charger, and the app is easier to use 👍

[@Sevententh]

Does Octopus Energy link this with their tariffs? I couldn’t find any EV charger compatibility lists I remember having to select my Zappi from their list before being added to the EV tariff.

[@MikeBookham]

I fully appreciate that some people want a single provider eco-system and that the GivEnergy EV charge unit has integrated features that link to other GE equipment. In reality very few people will use them, you included because as you said it makes more financial sense only to charge during the off peak/cheap rate hours of your tariff and also not use solar divert with it being more beneficial selling excess solar gain to the grid and buying back at the off peak/cheaper rate. BTW - I thought that you were using Home Assistant which can unify everything into one view anyway. Also what happens if you lose internet connectivty, is there any impact to the operation, control or the status of any of the GivEnergy system? However the most important question is; is it just the camera angle or is it mounted out of square? 😮

[@gwenshannon3797]

You forget that those on deemed export prefer to put the excess solar in the car. Even octopus suggests not giving up a guaranteed payment without doing the maths.

[@MikeBookham]

@@gwenshannon3797 You don't need the GivEnergy EV charge unit to do this, there are other options.

[@gwenshannon3797]

True, but the givenergy fits in with our battery and gateway system without any conflicts. Plus competitive on price. We are very happy with our choice especially the excess solar aspect.

[@terryjimfletcher]

I think @EVMan said in another of his videos that the benefit of GivEnergy's system over the lines of Myenergi is that the system doesn't *need* the Internet to work.

[@TrevorHa]

Would be interested to know what the max power draw is, or ar least the max you have seen. Dual chargers, air source. Must be close to the 100a limit. Actually quick math dual chargers ashp and charging battery from grid puts you around 20kw? Safe draw is 18kw ish on 100a? Next upgrade. 3 phase. Followed by replacing all ev chargers and inverters lol. Same issue here, dual chargers soon, 6kw battery inverter, ashp, 100% electric home. Will be maxing the possible grid draw thats forsure.

[@keithdenton8386]

I charge as slow as possible as I can get, like tonight cheep electric from 4pm to 5:30 am for my whole house, once I have a plan. I charge my Tesla on a three pin plug at 5A and can get 50 miles a night. If the plan starts early. 4 or 5pm. If I need more I can bump it up to 10 amp, but electric for heating the house doing the wahing, tumble dryer, dishwasher, at 7.5 pence is a no brainer. The longer it takes the better.

[@StuartAT]

Hello there, I'm with OVO and they don't have an off-peak tariff but they have an EV tariff, at 7p per KW, that's available 24hrs a day. I've also had 16 solar panels and a 9.5kw GivEnergy battery installed by them last month and they're going to be paying me 20p per KW for exporting to the grid, so those maths work for me. It'll take 12 months to get a better picture but so far so good. Cheers

[@MikeGleesonazelectrics]

How do they measure just the ev usage then, is it on its own Meter?

[@StuartAT]

I've posted two replies and neither are showing 🤷

[@narrowboatlongpod4176]

@@MikeGleesonazelectrics you need to have a compatible charger that they can interrogate.

[@kinross24]

Before the grant was ended for homeowners to fit chargers I bought a second Zappi tethered. We have two EVs and on Inteligent 🐙Go and works great as well as the obvious solar divert as well as charging out GE9.5 battery easily during the 6+ hrs per night. We then export as much as possible from solar at twice the cost of use from charging up the battery after the house uses what it needs.

[@tobybushnell]

Useful, thanks!

[@John-FourteenSix]

Integration is key. The next step needs to be two way charging. V2G. The case for Solar divert is reduced. Why not Fill your home battery and EV overnight, AND Divert all Solar to the grid and receive 15p / kWh.

[@dogsdinner99]

Didn't realise these were going to be as cheap as they are selling them, less than £500 uninstalled, its a very good offering Probably wouldn't be suitable for me as I needed an untethered unit, as my Ampera is Type 1, and I wanted to future proof. So went for the Zappi. It would have been nice to fully integrate with my existing GivEnergy system though. Surprised they don't seem to do a 22kw version, for thos installs that have 3-phase, maybe to make it cheaper? Maybe they will do so in a future model

[@ElectricCarAustralia]

Thanks for sharing the info. Great ideas for people looking into a integrated system. Agree on the convenience of having all in the same integrated system, provided you are comfortable with being 'locked in' so to speak. I'm in the Fronius environment with smart meter, solar/inverter and solar aware Wattpilot EV charger...just don't have the integrated battery as don't need it. Keep the videos coming :)

[@ziggarillo]

Buying food in my local supermarket "Tesco" in the UK Is cheaper than Mintal Public Market near my houses in Davao City.

[@neilbridgeman7768]

I have one now which I installed. Nice kit and easy set up. A little bit ugly tbh but excellent price point.

[@OldManTony]

Unfortunately I’m old and do a low mileage, so it’s not worth me investing in batteries, solar panels and even heat pumps. I just charge my leased ev on a 13A plug.

[@grahamsmith6443]

We are in the process of buying our home and we're discussing these last night. Glad to hear a recommendation

[@williammykura2342]

The only problem with the Giv Energy charger is that it’s not currently supported for Intelligent Octopus Go tariff - 7.5p kWh. You need to buy one of the £1000 (installed price) chargers to benefit from this - or have a compatible EV.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

I’m sure it’ll get there.

[@williammykura2342]

I agree.@@ElectricVehicleMan

[@adamstockton67]

Do we know when this will be??

[@lordstevewilson1331]

I would like non tethered version having Type 1 plug on my car.

[@davidcoates6768]

Has Harry had his all in one installed? It'd be good to see how that is doing without solar. Also how does it compare to yours? Can you see any efficiency difference in givenergy dashboard around dc vs ac? Does it draw more or less from the grid due to latency / inverter capacity?

[@blairfalconer915]

Will consider this charger when my Hypervolt eventually needs replaced since I have an AC coupled GivEnergy system. Just ashame the charger doesnt have all the lighting features of the Hypervolt 😂

[@salibaba]

@2:30 The Givenergy EV Battery? 🙃🤨🤔🤭

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Shhhh.

[@samuxan]

Not having an integrated system is my biggest regret, the car will always deplete the home battery before taking energy from the grid because it doesn't talk to the inverter. The only workaround this I've found to take take advantage of the cheap hours to get from the grid is to manually limit the battery that day. it's either that or charge only when the sun is up. At the end of the day having a homecharger for free from the dealership when i got the car wasn't that great.

[@narrowboatlongpod4176]

You can sometimes move the CT clamp so that the battery doesn't see the EV and it's usually possible to wire the charger, again, so that it's not seen by the batteries. Most people use Home Automation as it's cheaper (if you're using it for other things).

[@AdamAugustPhoto]

Just ordered one of these to be installed next week as finally ordered my EV, seems to tick every box for us with Solar Divert & is cheaper installed than a Zappi by a couple of hundred pounds. The fact that Octopus doesn't yet support it for IO isn't so much of an issue as my car is supported directly. The idea is I'll most likely add an AIO in a couple of years.

[@adamstockton67]

When will this unit be compatible with Octopus intelligent go??

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@adamstockton67 That’s up to OctopusEnergy.

[@adamstockton67]

I have phoned them and they have said it is upto GivEnergy.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@adamstockton67 Sorry no. This is Phil, he’s the head tech guy at octopus. Read his tweet. x.com/agile_phil/status/1806028475083477013?s=46&t=o_NQRH5kv6Nms5FUG4U5Hg

[@rbdogwood]

Excellent stuff. Like many I have some of the equipment EV, Solar panels, Batteries, domestic charge point, WiFi etc and some of it is now a bit stupid, outdated, or low on capacity. The problem with being an early adopter I guess. I may have to replace several incompatible components but what I'd really like is advice from a business who could look at my system and can say which bits should be replaced, which bits are working and which software pulls it together best. Is there such an advisory service outside the home counties? (I'm in Scotland).

[@EverydayLife621]

Just because I can also pull 100Amp, it doesn't mean that I really want to. Take Care & BW J.

[@MrWobling]

We are now a 2 EV household and am wondering what to do about charging both simultaneously, when needed. We currently have one dumb Rolec charger and the original Ohme Smart cable, which plugs into it. Since we already have a GivEnergy battery, I suppose what I'd really like is one of those GivEnergy chargers which can charge 2 cars at once, ideally with Intelligent Octopus Go support.

[@otooleniall]

The cheapest way would be to get a 32A tail for that Tesla charger and put in a commando socket. Yes it wouldn't be sponsored or have the features.

[@MichaelPickles]

the cable is 5 metres for a reason. Its to do with load on the cable I think.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Can get longer ones on most chargers.

[@shikoku14]

You might not want to exactly quote the price you paid. But how did you find the cost to change your charger, with I’m guessing most of the work already been done when your Ohme was installed. I currently have a 5 year old chargemaster charger that I expect will need to be replaced at some point (I’m using a type 2 Ohme cable to get intelligent at the moment)

[@samwilson2300]

Love it

[@dougbamford]

What is the maximum you can charge 2 cars? Assuming you have single phase, can your supply handle two cars charging at full rate? If not, how do the chargers reduce the total?

[@dougjsking]

kind of off subject but is there an up to date source of which suppliers/providers provide rapid/fast public charging discounts with subscription/pre-pay/whatever?

[@OlivierW11]

Few questions, @evm! 1. do you still need a physical link between the inverter and the charger (i.e. a solar clamp?)? They are quite far away from one another at home, and wondering if that can be achieved via the existing cabling. 2. is this charger compatible with OE Intelligent Go? I need to replace my faulty Wallbox Pulsar Plus, which has turned out to be a big piece of disappointing junk.... and backed by a disastrous and inefficient customer service.... So this GivEnergy could be top of the list to go with my 3.6KW inverter, and my 9.5KWH battery (and 12 solar panels)... Thanks for your reply.

[@ians3328]

Exactly the last comment. If they are paying you 15p export a unit and you are buying at cheap rate 7.5p a unit why would anyone divert the Solar generation to anything.

[@richardeskins]

I thought tariffs like Intelligent Octopus Go make solar divert redundant. Even in the summer isn’t it going to make sense to carry on charging at night and sending all excess to the grid in the day?

[@noelsweeney12]

Nice one

[@munirshafi2647]

Just wondering why you’d want this over a zappi as surely that too does solar divert and has a nice lcd display on it too so you don’t need to keep going into an app all the time to check on status etc. Does the Zappi link with givenergy systems ? Sorry, new to all of this and was considering either or.

[@bc3024]

I guess you've looked at the Octopus Intelligent Tariff? 7.5p cheap rate overnight AND ad hoc 7.5p rate slots during the daytime.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

I have that.

[@terryjimfletcher]

It would be good if this charger had two cables that either were supplied concurrently, or, if possible, simultaneously 😮

[@christopherclark1348]

Good afternoon, do you still have a link for signing up for Octopus Go please?

[@JohnR31415]

Until it’s integrated with OI, then I’m leaving it on the shelf. And since I’ve now got Ohme integrated with hime assistant… so it’ll stay there. Would be nice to have it integrated… but

[@arenjay3278]

I have a friend who powers his home with solar and both of his EVs even in winter albeit minor winter he drives for free.

[@paguk2000]

How much is the Give engery charger

[@kevinmiles4648]

You may have covered this in other videos but have GivEnergy solved the problem of the EV charger draining the solar battery? I’ve got a GivEnergy inverter and battery system and charge the battery overnight during the Octopus Flux cheap charge period. I’m looking to add their EV charger and moving to Octopus Go with the longer cheap rate period. What settings do you use to prevent battery drainage - or is it not a problem if BOTH home and car batteries are set to charge for the same period? I am presuming that is the case as running my dishwasher during the Flux cheap period does not seem to affect battery charging.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@kevinmiles4648 Just charge them together at the same time. Cloud control can avoid discharge.

[@SmkGHN]

Currently have a Zappi (and 2eV). Considering a second charger, might go GE but not sure my OCD would deal with the poor cable management design as would have to out ours outside. Come on GE you could have done better! One thing I like about the Zappi is its cable neatness. Agree on the 1app thing, trouble is I’d have to either scrap my Zappi and go GE charger (as have GE batteries) or scrap the batteries and go Libbi😂

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Considering the price of the libbi id suggest the other way! The cable can wrap around the GE unit, it has a recess where it meets the wall. The bracket I have is from my Ohme install.

[@SmkGHN]

True. The software for ME in general is a bit more stable and user friendly I find. Will be something I have to bear in mind when upgrading. I would lose a bit of discharge power if I went Libbi (as have 6kw discharge). Who knows what to come?😂

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@SmkGHN A Giv charger and battery system is cheaper by 4 figures than the Libbi by itself. Given the libbi is a rebrand of a basic battery that’s way cheaper, I don’t see the value.

[@SmkGHN]

Should have clarified, I have a GE battery system as well, so literally 50/50.

[@bradleyarcher9840]

Solar diverting doesn’t make any sense financially. If you’re struggling to pull energy overnight then set your load balancing to maximise your draw. Apart from that I agree with trying to purchase matching equipment, makes life easier.

[@Umski]

I disagree - locally generated electricity for free is cheaper than paying for it - in the summer it will essentially keep the cars charged up for free - if it’s a feature of the charger then it’s a no brainier unless your export price is orders of magnitude greater than the cheap rate import rate 🤷‍♂️

[@bradleyarcher9840]

I’m on octopus intelligent go, I charge everything for 7.5p kWh and export everything back during the day for 15p kWh. Double bubble, to use it would be daft.

[@Umski]

@@bradleyarcher9840 indeed then with a tariff that pays more for export than import it makes sense unlike on the old Feed in Tariff which pays a measly 5p if that for export!

[@Chris-mh3vf]

If it was more expensive would it be fitted straight?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

I have one leg shorter than the other!

[@fredgoul1150]

Thanks for the helpful video. Similarly we are thinking of a second ev at the moment. A question, to check understanding. You can charge two evs simultaneously at 7kw in the off peak window without going to 3 phase? Thanks for your help.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Yep.

[@fredgoul1150]

Perfect, thanks for your response, very helpful 👍.

[@robinbennett5994]

7Kw is about 30amps, so if you only have a 60amp supply two chargers would push it to its limit and you'll need an update to a 100amp supply. That can be free, or you might need the cables into your house upgraded. The off-peak window is only a time limit, not a power limit.

[@fredgoul1150]

OK understood, thanks for advising. We have 100amps so seems ok

[@SmkGHN]

@@fredgoul1150be sure that’s the fuse not just the carrier!

[@stevefollows5926]

Hi EVM, can you let me know how you can turn the front led's off. Had my charger a couple of weeks and would like to turn them off due to charger mounted on front of house but cannot find where to do this on the app? Thanks in advance.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

You do it in the portal. Under settings and ‘other’.

[@stevefollows5926]

Thank you@@ElectricVehicleMan

[@stevefollows5926]

I have another question for you EVM, I have what seems like the same setup as you having recently had solar, all in one and ev charger installed, I also have a Seat Mii electric which I brought new in 2021. My question is what settings you use on the EV charger for it to sink with charging the Mii on Octopus intelligent? I recently switch from Go to Intelligent and therefore removed the schedule from the charger as instructed by Octopus but the Mii doesn't start charging in the schedule set by Octopus for some reason? Is your EV charger connected directly to the grid or are you able to to send power from battery to car? Does the Modbus option need to be on? I'm puzzled as to what's causing the issue but think it may be because my battery inverter is controlling the charger rather than Octopus controlling the car? I've emailed both Givenergy and Octopus but just wondered if you use any specific settings on the charger? Thanks Steve Follows

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@stevefollows5926 just set the charge timer for 23:30 to 05:30 and leave it at that.

[@LeeJonesNPT]

I am on intelligent go and when i had this amongst the FAQ it stated only one vehicle can be allocated to IG, presumably one of your vehicles is on IG and will be charged using that and the charging schedule you set? Could you then manually schedule the other car to charge off your other EV Charger/granny plug during the same time period to get the benefit of charging together and avoid any battery storage issues (depleting the battery) during the 6.5 hrs overnight 7.5p period? Hope that makes sense?

[@oldevertonianwithloadsofpa6325]

I’m on intelligent Octopus go. I charge the main car using the Zappi and our Skoda Citigo using the granny charger on a timer. The 2 x 9kwh myenergi home batteries charge almost 100% every night during the 6 hours. Therefore almost all my electricity is at 7.5p.

[@Gillibrand65]

Giv Energy don’t seem to quote prices for their kit. How did you get the best price, when you had your kit installed? Do you simple contact 3 installers and get 3 quotes?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

All through installers if you want it installed.

[@nealm1814]

You said it. "It makes financially more sense to export excess solar than to use it yourself". In other words don't install a solar array because you have an EV. You will only get a meaningful EV charge in summer and even then you will make more money charging the EV at night and exporting the excesss solar during the day.

[@ravipriyanka32]

Have you actually tried the solar divert function? (It doesn’t work…the product is defective!)

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Does for me. Remember they need 1.4kW to start divert in the first place.

[@itekani]

Watt is a measurement of power, not energy.

[@michaellawson5334]

Can the GE charger do load balancing?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Between two Giv chargers?

[@michaellawson5334]

No, between the GE charger and the rest of the house load. Ie lets say you have everything turned on in your house and you're close to your main fuses's limit, can the GE charger sense this and reduce or even stop charging until the overall house load goes down and then ramp back up again when it's safe to do so?@@ElectricVehicleMan

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@michaellawson5334 Not sure. I can have everything on and it’s fine.

[@narrowboatlongpod4176]

@@ElectricVehicleMan a 100A fuse will not blow at 100A, it requires overcurrent for a period of time. I believe they are now proposing to fit 80A fuses to avoid long periods of overloading.

[@lit46]

I have this wallbox and cannot work out how to turn off leds. Anyone tell me how?! Android app

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@lit46 In the portal.

[@lit46]

@@ElectricVehicleMan thank you!

[@Eb3nez3r]

How easy is it to move your home built petrol station to another house, GiveEnergy go bust etc?l Serious question as balls deep on the finances.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

It’s not a permanent fixture.

[@benjanos]

It’s not mounted straight, my OCD is kicking in…

[@andrewdyson4255]

I’ve had the giv energy battery set up about 18 months and all going fine. My problem is with Octopus energy who cannot get their smart meter to work from my home address. It’s been going on a year now and I’m on meter number 6. I’ve contacted the ombudsman who awarded me compensation a letter of apology from octopus and another new meter with a “ ALT - HAN “ fitted to make it work. The engineer turned up last week and said they don’t fit them up north, he’s never even seen one. He did put an extension box thing up but that doesn’t work either. Obviously I’m still complaining about the poor service. Have you had any information as to how you can get a signal ? I live over on the east coast and they state its problems due to fylingdales masts. However I am 40+ miles south of them ? Do you know of anyone who has the same problem and has had it rectified ?

[@MikeGleesonazelectrics]

I know someone who changed to octopus several months ago, probably a year now and his display has never worked. Refuses to pay his bills so going to court, could be interesting. As my meter man (who comes round quite regularly these days) says "these smart meters ain't so smart"!

[@davidcoates6768]

Have you requested an Octopus Home Mini? I use one mainly for home assistant, but it's nice to not have to wait a day or 2 to see usage in the app also. This can pull all the smart readings into the app and then submit manual readings? Not sure if they still require the mobile data reading for any dual rate tariffs though.

[@epatrickt]

Interesting, we've got 2 evs and 100A incoming but my sparky said that 2 chargers is just too much. I dying see why this would be and you've got 2. Just nonsense then I think?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Depends what else is in your house.

[@epatrickt]

@@ElectricVehicleMan Sure - nothing outside the ordinary white goods really. Just not heard of anyone having 2 EV chargers and my electrician and another shaking their heads - but this might just be that they haven't come across it and haven't applied their brains? 7kW is only c30A so there ought to be plenty of spare in an ordinary home set-up? Just wondered if there is something I'm missing.

[@ObiePaddles]

Yorkshireman doesnt export even if it’s more profitable. Ridiculous! Adding renewables to the grid so the same s using it.

[@73henny]

With intelligent go any solar divert device is obsolete.

[@mikeslattery2769]

Are you telling us that you need to charge 2 evs at the same time every night

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

No. But some days I have 3 EVs.

[@michaelslattery9923]

⁠and all 3 reach low mileage at the same time

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@michaelslattery9923 That’s never happened and would require 3 people doing a ton of miles in each one on the same day.

[@FFS__Dave]

It surprised me to learn that you are not in the pocket of GivEnergy. Why not? You are probably responsible for many of their recent sales. The least they could do is sponsor you.

[@dwftube]

I wouldn't worry about using the excess solar power yourself. If it's financially better to put the excess solar power into the grid do that. You make money and the electricity you have generated gets used somewhere else so offsetting what you have put in the car? Make money and offset your carbon footprint. Win/win.

[@niceboy60]

Excess Solar 04:18 🤨🤔 😅😅😅 look at the British weather

[@ianclarke6665]

Hello

[@27Tenebrae]

2 electric cars and a heat pump I might have to recheck the definition of being tight! 😊👍😁

[@JohnR31415]

He’s being tight - looking at long term costs, not just the first payment.

[@bripayton3723]

New charger ? must be free because your a Yorkshire man

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Not new, extra.

[@NickAskew]

I have been considering making the switch from my old hybrid car to a proper EV. I dismissed the fear mongers regarding fires and I know that at home and at work I can charge so range anxiety is not an issue. But now suddenly we are reading and hearing that insurers are refusing to cover EVs or charging a fortune and hire companies are returning to ICE. This is seriously putting me off making the switch and it genuinely saddens me. But what is the truth here? Is this more fake anti EV news or have the EV deniers finally got their teeth into a genuine EV flaw story?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Hertz aren’t ditching them because of EVs being EVs, they’re doing it due to financial losses caused by Tesla reducing the price, they’re ditching Tesla, not EVs. Insurance has gone up for everyone, people aren’t been refused at all (beyond normal market %). Apart from maybe Land Rovers, who don’t do an EV! The problem is people compare a used 320d BMW with a 400bhp brand new Tesla model 3 and are shocked it’s more expensive.

[@NickAskew]

@@ElectricVehicleMan Thanks for that explanation. However the report I saw said it was due to the cost of repairs. This quote is from Hertz. “This will position the Company to eliminate a disproportionate number of lower margin rentals and reduce damage expense associated with EVs.”

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@NickAskew x.com/evmanuk/status/1746266350698332448?s=46&t=o_NQRH5kv6Nms5FUG4U5Hg

[@NickAskew]

@@ElectricVehicleManAll the same it is a shame that they are not replacing them with other EVs. I think we can all agree that EVs have to be the future but if owners are landed with scary repair bills (as have been reported regarding a few Hyundai owners) then people will be being put off and that is not a good thing for EV manufacturers or the environment.

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@@NickAskew They’re still buying GM EVs, just not Tesla. It happens all the time with rental companies and has done for decades. It’s a meaningless stat when it comes to EVs being an issue, and a US one at that.

[@glideman]

You’re never going to get all that money back you’re spending on that stuff. If you add up your spending on solar panels, batteries, EV’s, heat pump, etc! You could have run a petrol car and gas boiler for the rest of your life.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Actually I’ll break even after about 6-7 years from buying them. 😄

[@sjsjsj275]

You are right that it takes time to Return on Investment. ROI takes a few years. The maths for my installation approx 8-9 yrs at current energy prices. This ROI time is more likely to shorten not get longer as energy tariffs are on an upward trend. The investment also gives peace of mind. Insulated or protected from future energy price hikes! Peace of mind is dificult to put a price on!

[@peteradamsonful]

Solar panels 10 years. Battery 7 years. My ev is interesting. Paying £267 for the loan per month, but saving £200 on petrol. After 6 years the loans paid off.

[@narrowboatlongpod4176]

I'm 73 and I'm not sure that even I agree with that statement. Besides, that's not the only reason to move away from fossil fuels.

[@glideman]

@@narrowboatlongpod4176 at 73 I’d be worried about buying an LP🤣