Electric Cars facing a major roadblock

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[@matthewfurlani8647]

i love how you spent better than 20 minutes explaining how monumental and nearly impossible this task is going to be and then called the ney Sayers living in a fantasy world. the electrical demand for a world powered soley on electricity would be monumental in itself sans no breakthrough technologies. you should do a video on that and see if you're still convinced it's possible. I watched a video where someone explained how in California, a company tried to get their town to price out electrical costs for switching their small fleet of trucks to electric and the towns civil engineer thought they were joking. he replied with something like "that is more energy demand than the town consumes"

[@matthewfurlani8647]

also have you read or listened to bjorn lomberg at all?

[@MallenBaker]

@@matthewfurlani8647 I try to distinguish between the climate change science and the policy responses to it. They are two separate things.

[@GrrMeister]

@@matthewfurlani8647

[@friendlyfire7861]

It seems like EVs are like 3D movies and TV. We should just let them be luxury items and stop paying rich people to buy them. Let it mature on its own. It's called the free market. 🤯

[@tomizatko3138]

Have you seen these 'free market' you speak of ? Does it grow on trees or is a system created by set of rules that are curated by the goverment?

[@robertcharles7085]

​@@tomizatko3138your reply is confused. Please clarify. Do you mean public water and sewer. Or do you mean the blue berries I just ate. They traveled 2 thousand miles from Peru. Fresh and affordable. Or the cannabis I just smoked that would have put me in prison 20 years ago. Free market and government control what exactly is your point. 🤫🤫🤫😜😜😜🐒🐒🐒😎😎😎

[@williammeek4078]

The problem with the free market is that it doesn’t take into account externalities like climate change that is a rather urgent problem.

[@williammeek4078]

@@robertcharles7085his point is that there is a vast difference between a free market and an unregulated one.

[@robertcharles7085]

@@williammeek4078 can you be specific. Is this a negative or a positive or both. 💁‍♂️💁‍♂️💁‍♂️😜😜😜🐒🐒🐒😎😎😎

[@retiefgregorovich810]

This push for EVs is a disaster in the making, potentially destroying millions of jobs, for no real change in the environment.

[@Brian-om2hh]

So what happens once oil runs dry, and ICE cars are no longer viable? Will those millions of jobs still be there then?

[@xxwookey]

How are EVs destroying jobs? Petrol pump attendants? Or do you mean the oil companies, currently doing their best to ruin the planet because that still makes money? Getting those people to do something less damaging has to be a good thing. And there are no shortage of better things they could be doing. Almost anything, to be honest - but jobs involved in the decarbonisation transition would be a good start.

[@markmiller8903]

SLAVES IN THE CONGO MAKING YOUR EVS.

[@xxwookey]

@@blahblah5603 This is true, but it is a finite resource and burning most of it for fuel may well look pretty short-sighted in 200 years. More significantly in the shorter term, burning it all will do enormous damage to the atmosphere and thus the eco-/weather-/climate- systems we depend on for food and a reasonably comfortable environment. So we need to stop doing that, or nearly stop - corner cases will remain for a long time.

[@jec_ecart]

Agree

[@6teeth318-w5k]

Been driving for about 40 years now. Only once( ONE TIME) have i run out of gas. 1 time in 14600 days have i run out of gas. ONE time!! I never worry about milage, i know what in the tank and i know 300.000.000 places where i can fill my car in 1 minute and then drive 750-800 km.

[@davidorr6627]

I ran out of gas a couple of times in my old Vauxhall Viva when I was a poor university student. Once it conked out as I crested a hill, then I coasted downhill and pulled into a service station that was conveniently placed. I used to carry a gallon tin of gas in the boot in case of emergencies. I'd still rather do that than have to worry about range anxiety with an EV. Also, I can't remember the last time I had to wait for more than a few minutes to fill up. I think maybe about 20 years ago my local motorway service center had big queues and it took maybe 15 minutes.

[@rp9674]

I ran out of gas several times being careless, 5 years with two EVS never ran out of juice because I'm careful, there are other awesome advantages to an EV that I won't bother going into go in to

[@dblissmn]

Well good for you. Personally I'd rather be able to top off in my parking spot than have to constantly keep an eye on when I need to go to the gas station. And show me the gas pump that fills a tank in one minute because I'll report it to state authorities as a safety hazard; these things are regulated so they don't squirt gas all over the place from a pressure backup. Yes, for now, it takes less time to fill a gas tank than a battery. For now. But it's a lot longer than a minute, and also a lot longer than it takes to plug your vehicle when you shut it off and unplug it when you start it up again.

[@rp9674]

Finding gas is pretty easy but easier to charge at home & I'm no embarrassed to say I care about the environment

[@ammerudgrenda]

Ok, ICE cars is your thing then. If you frequently do long road trips, ICE cars are currently better.

[@waltercoslovi6404]

If you live in a small country or in the city EV might work, but a country as big as Australia it is a bit different.

[@twig3288]

Horses for courses, EVs would be fine for multi drop delivery vehicles in towns and cities, not so good for longer distances. I advised a friend to keep her old car as a backup for longer journeys, she ignored my advice and now uses buses and trains for out of town trips with all the inconvenience and expense that it entails. You can lead a horse to water…

[@chrisfallis5851]

For long trips to the Outback of ‘Stralia from the coastal cities you will find little EV infrastructure. Try hauling a caravan to your camping spot on the banks of Dingo Piss Creek and you will see the need for ICE engines for the foreseeable future.

[@leecowell8165]

Same as state side. You gotta live in an urban environment here AND have infrastructure at your place for charging. problem. 80% of households in the states are now HOA controlled. Most do not have garages and those that do require EV's to be parked outdoors for a very good reason (called spontaneous combustion due to astronomical insurance costs).

[@turningpoint4238]

Plenty here in rural Australia.

[@andrew30m]

In 2020, Australians travelled a total of 238,499 million kilometres across all vehicle types. And the average vehicle in Australia travelled 12,100 km per year, or 33.2 km per day. My EV does around 350km more than enough

[@philjameson292]

No doubt that Norway can be a world leader in EVs as the major it's electricity is produced by hydro and the fact that it earns billions in exporting oil and gas means that it can afford to subsidise EVs

[@d68st90]

And its low population is a factor as well. There are only 5 million inhabitants in Norway, just like South Carolina state lol.

[@shoobidyboop8634]

Exactly, EVs are such a great idea that they must pay people $27,000 to adopt them.

[@twig3288]

Norway is always used to show how low the ev fire risk is. Looking at the global incidents would show the truth. It’s this kind of selective data use that makes me think that our host is working for the 77th Brigade 🫤

[@wendyandrew3707]

They would be more trustworthy than chinese

[@dblissmn]

They're quitting subsidizing EVs. But people are still buying them. The US could afford to subsidize EVs too. Everything is a choice, and in the US many of our choices are made for us by Republican politicians that are owned by oil companies and/or judges appointed by those owned politicians. Right now a majority of our top judges were appointed this way, especially on the Supreme Court which takes years to change because they get lifetime appointments.

[@syddog44]

I just watched a video of a KZbinr called MacMaster, who owns a Porsche EV. He tried to drive from John O Groats to Lands End and the journey nearly gave him a nervous breakdown. Some of the chargers couldn't charge due to the grid having high demand, they either could not supply electricity or only give a trickle of electricity. At the end of the journey his mate who drove a BMW Diesel beat him by hours and hours, and the diesel only cost him £120 in fuel while the electricity in the Porsche Cost £240 so double.

[@Alex-ni2ir]

The premise is that most E-vehicles are recharged at home which results in the much cheaper fuel costs. Long distant driving as described is completely unsuitable for electric vehicles as of right now.

[@syddog44]

@@Alex-ni2ir but if you haven't got a drive then it's going to be difficult to get cheap electricity for your car. The government isn't going to allow us to have long, heavy cables running across pavements and down blocks of flats. It's going to be that only the rich will be able to own private cars. Why are we being constantly forced to buy worse products for more money, it's a joke

[@amazingbollweevil]

@@Alex-ni2ir Exactly! I'm reminded of all the adventurers, a hundred years ago, who tried to drive their new horseless carriages across the country. It went just as well.

[@barriewilliams4526]

Yes, and the value of his battery powered Porsche Taycan dropped by £11,000 in one month. His 2-year-old car (which he paid £120,000 for) is now valued at just £43, 000. Even if it does not set on fire, I think he's been well and truly burnt!

[@syddog44]

@@barriewilliams4526 I think he said he still owes 70k on the Porsche. So if he sold it for 43k he would still owe 27k. No car and 27k in debt! Scandalous.

[@bigrr64]

I can tell you after owning an electric vehicle that if the insurance rates don't come, which is why I had to sell mine at a huge loss, I might add. I will never buy another one.

[@tonymai1844]

Yep, in California, US AAA quoted me 2023 tesla mod3RWD $ 5:45 5.4k a year. Yep, what a nightmare.

[@commonsense5741]

Probably a bad idea to make cars that politicians want instead of what consumers want.

[@andrew30m]

Fast, convenient, spacious, lots of great features, cheaper to run. When people realise they’re driving an average of 36 miles

[@jec_ecart]

Well said

[@calknight]

That's the problem with the EPA forcing emissions standards, which ironically caused the death of light pickups, and forced auto companies to build the bigger trucks like the F150s and such because they would have laxer requirements!

[@Frustino]

Tessla under investigation in the US because of reported incorrect mileage stats.

[@ironclaw6969]

Well it is rather fraudulent to base your range numbers on the full capacity of the battery pack, but then suggest to the driver that they not charge it past 80%.

[@zbyszanna]

​@@ironclaw6969you have this capacity and you can use it. If you need to go so many miles in one go, you can. Using EV is different than using ICE, you can't make simple analogies between them. For example, if you charge at home (65% of people in my country live in houses for example, do for them it's a natural option) and don't do more than 300km daily, then the range doesn't matter at all as you always start a day with a full charge and the 80% makes no difference.

[@ironclaw6969]

@@zbyszanna If it didn't make a difference, why would they base their range numbers past what they suggest people charge to in practical use? Would it not be more honest to have the 80% line be "full" and then have the rest as an emergency reserve? Especially since in some places they will charge you additional fees if you actually try to fill up your battery all the way.

[@dblissmn]

There are EV brands that actually exceed estimated mileage. Tesla just isn't one of them. But Tesla does have one thing going for it; it's rather better at avoiding loss of mileage in cold weather than some other EV brands because mainly of how the heater works (heat pump as opposed to a heating element).

[@turningpoint4238]

Actually third party estimated ranges. Never had an ICE that could get as far as advertised, even when trying my best.

[@Zagg777]

The climate is apparently changing. Internal combustion engine vehicles probably has very little to do with it.

[@turningpoint4238]

Try reading up on the subject, science is hard but better than uninformed opinions.

[@jimgraham6722]

Not really

[@zwieseler]

Probably sounds like you really don’t know….

[@twig3288]

@@turningpoint4238 Climate change started before mankind existed and it hasn’t stopped changing. Humans use fear of catastrophe as a means to achieve power over each other, global warming is taking over from religion in that respect, but at least EVs provide jobs for Congolese children.

[@turningpoint4238]

@@twig3288 Correct climate has always been changing but the issue is with the speed it is. It has changed fast in the past, you know with massive volcanic eruptions that we haven't seen for a long time, or asteroid impacts. But it shouldn't be changing so quickly now naturally, it's going to be hard to adapt so fast. Yes fear is used to control especially by the far left and right in politics, but not by science. Take it your last comment was a misinformed dig at the cobalt used in batteries. The likes of Tesla gets theirs from the country I now live in Australia, not much child labor used in the mines here. Now go and see where the fossil fuel industry gets their cobalt, they really don't like to say.

[@dugan6056]

Can we also factor in the future availability of the raw materials and the human cost. The state of the Chinese EV market and their track record with safety and fires, their new car 'graveyards' and the financial losses. I don't consider existing battery technology to be adequate, from both a safety and cost perspective. And to what extent are fossil fuels necessary to produce the vehicles? Windfarms are unlikely to ever be able to provide sufficient, and as an energy source they are far from cheap (not to mention the environmental damage, the required quantity of Equadorian balsa, the longevity of of the generators and lack of recyclability) Solar panels require fossil fuels to reach the required manufacturing temperature of 1800 deg. We remain reliant on traditional energy. Yet we refuse to consider nuclear. Net zero for the UK is far from attainable and will remain so for a few generations. A fact that seems to confuse our politicians. Perhaps it's a shame they didn't develop the hydrogen options first?

[@CrusaderSports250]

Let's not forget you will need the same quantity of oil for the plastics and other chemicals and processes required to make your EV, and as this is a percentage of a barrel you will need the same number of barrels that you currently use, with the now redundant engine fuel going to diesel generators to power our evs, with the rest going to help mine the materials for the batteries, truly planet saving!.

[@dugan6056]

@@CrusaderSports250 I don't know whether to laugh or cry!

[@Sp_75-76]

@@CrusaderSports250 building of a car is a one off cost, both for EVs and ICE cars. Exhaust, drilling, refining and transporting fossil fuel is an ongoing cost only enjoyed by ICE cars

[@SteveEddy-od7fb]

Oh come on Commies love everyone!

[@andrew30m]

Since 2000, when renewables accounted for just 2.8% of all electricity generated in the UK, their contribution has grown substantially. In 2022, 40% - a record amount - of electricity came from renewables. It’s a journey to a cleaner future, replanting forests where the U.K. is one of the least forested countries in Europe, only Malta is worse. The average car journey in the U.K. is 18 miles.

[@yuglesstube]

Worth mentioning that Norway is powered by Hydro. Powering EVs from coal plants is self defeating.

[@zbyszanna]

It is and it isn't. EVs are so energy efficient that even electric gross built mostly on coal will see the life net emission reduction. The second thing is that you can change the power source with time and the EVs will become cleaner automatically, it's not the same with ICE cars. The third thing is where you get those emissions - it's much better to have the electric plant polluting a place without people around it than in the city, where we all have to breathe it.

[@yuglesstube]

@zbyszanna youre right about city air quality. But the rest is far more complex. I could go into depth, but just don't have time right now. Might I suggest you watch Autoexpert. JC is a superb engineer. He has analysed the question exhaustively. His latest post is hilarious. It concerns the use of a big diesel generator to charge EVs in Australia. Well worth watching. And it's not as though lithium, nickel and cobalt come sweetly out of thin air, smelling fresh. In fact they are hideously carbon and energy intensive to get, and cause terrible effects upon nature. Look up Chile lithium, for a start. And don't get me started on cobalt. I worked on a large nickel project at Ravensthorpe. It's not exactly nice.

[@dblissmn]

True, but even in very coal dependent places like the US's Ohio Valley and Mid-South regions, the CO2 output from EVs is now less than ICE cars; and in the least coal dependent places like New York State and the Pacific Northwest you could power seven or eight EVs for the CO2 of just one ICE.

[@yuglesstube]

@@dblissmn I doubt that. The CO2 emissions could not be so divergent.

[@jasonscott2187]

They aren't. Forgetting about the co2 emitted in producing new cars and batteries as well as the massive emissions Norway is exporting and the shorter lifespan of batteries compared to engines. An EV would have to go through 2 battery packs to have about the same life as an ICE vehicle, few people would bother to replace the battery at the time due to the ridiculous cost. EV's would mean cleaner air in our cities but at a great cost in many other ways. To believe that EV's are the answer is to believe that we can consume our way to a better environment which is functionally insane.@@yuglesstube

[@twig3288]

Cumulatively how many years of your life are you prepared to spend drinking over-priced coffee from disposable cups while charging your ev?

[@Brian-om2hh]

I don't drink anything while my car charges. I sleep in bed. Costs me nothing in coffee. Jus the £6 or £7 for the full charge in my Kia eNiro. Then I'm good for another 240 miles or so.

[@twig3288]

@@Brian-om2hh that’s fine if you never travel far for home, but make sure that you test your smoke detectors weekly

[@lk9650]

The problem with saying that lithium battery is a new technology and it will be improved and made more safe with time is that lithium batteries have been around for decades, its not a new ichnology and you cannot expect massive improvements.

[@twig3288]

Also, they provide jobs for Congolese children 🤗

[@turningpoint4238]

You haven't been keeping up with their development obviously.

[@turningpoint4238]

@@twig3288 That statement is so misleading, Tesla gets it's cobalt from Australia. Oil industry doesn't care where it gets it's.

[@JanKowalski-vj9py]

True. EV from the very begining started being close to limitation mandated by physics and electro-chemistry. So major improvements are very unlikely.

[@turningpoint4238]

@@JanKowalski-vj9py I hope you are been sarcastic there, always difficult to tell in type. It's amazing how far batteries have come and still improving rapidly.

[@Drbettencourt116]

EV market is coming apart, time for me to pull my money out

[@frankbaran5698]

EVs are the Beta Max of the automobile industry.

[@fractalnomics]

The massive experiment we have never done before: to change the weather by using electricity.

[@JanKowalski-vj9py]

It's not about climate. It's all about freedom and china-like control over everybody. This is a spread of communism under eko banners.

[@baabaabathsheba9107]

A Norwegian ferry company refusing to take EV's on board seems very sensible to me considering how a EV fire is almost impossible to put out. I drive a Suzuki Carry Van and deliver the luggage of walkers around the East Cornwall coast. I don't recall seeing any EV chargers along my route and I wouldn't fancy driving an EV through the massive puddles and flooded roads we've had recently. I believe salt water and EV's aren't a good mix. I ride an electric assisted bicycle from my live aboard boat (powered by diesel) to the local shops and store its battery in a sealed container outside. My carbon footprint is pretty small compared to most people (solar panels/wind turbine) but I don't see electricity being an option for powering ocean going vessels anytime soon. My other job is support worker on £11.08 an hour. I travel on average 70 miles a day when driving to clients who all live in rural areas. My fuel allowance barely covers the cost of petrol let alone the wear and tear on the van. If I take a client out I may travel much further than 70 miles and I can just imagine their reaction if I was to use some of their allotted time in having to charge my vehicle. But happily I'll be spared their wrath because on my wages there is zero chance of me being able to afford an EV. and in any case I love my little van - its 22 years old and I can change the oil/air filter/spark plugs etc myself. I recently changed the starter motor as well. There is no way you could do much of this on an EV - in fact most trained mechanics can't work on EV's without specific training pertinent to individual EV manufacturers guidelines. (Or that's what I have been told). I think most people know that EV's aren't a viable option for the majority of the population and it has nothing to do with being anti-EV or a die-hard ICE driver. Its just down to pragmatism, economics and common sense.

[@teardowndan5364]

Swedish firefighters appear to have figured out how to deal with EV fires: use a waterjet lance to pierce the EV's floor and inject water directly into the battery pack. They can put out a battery fire in ~10min using only 240L of water.

[@djfozzi]

@@teardowndan5364 super cooled BRINE at -19c, NOT pure WATER

[@teardowndan5364]

@@djfozzi The Swedish firefighting stuff is just regular water, with grit to cut through the floor and battery case. The brine thing is on a ferry which is itself a fishing boat conversion that already had the brine tanks and chillers to keep their catch cold. Completely different things.

[@ironclaw6969]

@@teardowndan5364 Yes I'm sure they have a quick, ready supply of supercooled brine on hand at a minute's notice.

[@djfozzi]

@@teardowndan5364 so not "regular" water whatsoever then... and in fact sounds more like sand blasting.

[@reality-cheque]

We are an ‘early adopter’ and have a 2014 e-Golf. The initial range was c.115 miles, which it struggled to do. Now, it’s c.75 miles, so only used for local trips, which it does very well. I accept technology has moved on - but not by much and modern Teslas are suffering range reduction, with rapid charging. Charging away from home is incredibly difficult, with very few stations, several different providers (all want subscriptions), it’s very expensive and takes over 2 hours to 1/2 charge the Golf. We won’t be buying a replacement but will run the Golf until it’s range is unsustainable - then scrap it. For longer journeys we use a diesel car.

[@bw9927]

I doubt a 2014 Golf has the ability to Rapid Charge. Therefore, I guess you are charging at 3 phase 22kw, which is why it takes so long to charge? Most modern EVs can charge at up to 350kw. ,earning the time to charge to full is around 20-30 mins. You can’t compare a 7 year EV with what is on the market today.

[@jcfallows]

Don't scrap it! go to cleverley garages they will replace the faulty cells in the pack, for you with good second hand ones for not a lot of money! Have you seen Roberts leaf aka fully charged for an upgrade to a bigger battery from a company in Holland? It will be far cheaper than buying another car, and far more eco friendly, your car should run at least 20 years! If you let them replace your battery with double the density and give you 200 mile range happy days!

[@Neojhun]

"but not by much and modern Teslas" Absurd Lies they start at 230 Miles even if you lose just over 20% range due to freezing cold that's still 180 Miles. That is very much NOT a local trip.

[@MJ-zo5gb]

The main reason EV sells and slowing, besides terrible economy, and inflation, Is that besides Tesla, almost everyone makes absolute shit electric cars that are unprofitable…🤷‍♂️

[@johnnyappleseed6960]

Most of the EV manufacturers are still in the Investment stage, where the cost of Investment is still included in their Costs.. On paper, it looks like they're selling at a loss.

[@ironclaw6969]

@@johnnyappleseed6960 That's because they ARE selling at a loss.

[@johnnyappleseed6960]

@@ironclaw6969 Yes...because they choose to include the current Investment Costs into the equation for Accounting & Tax purposes... And the Volume of production is so small, that the sales cannot realistically override the current Investment Costs. It's business accounting 101.

[@ironclaw6969]

@@johnnyappleseed6960 well it certainly looks like their business plan is something along the lines of lose money on each sale and make it up in volume. Which is just about dumb enough

[@johnnyappleseed6960]

@@ironclaw6969 Lol...That is every car manufacturers plan.🤣🤣 Literally, they wouldn't stay in business very long if it wasn't. 🤣🤣

[@jeffrybassett7374]

He completely ignores the number one problem with EV's: charge time. Until you can pull up to a charger and have a "full tank" in 5 minutes or less they will never be widely adopted. Especially in large, wide-open countries like the US, Canada, Australia, etc.

[@Astrotripper2000]

IMO, this point is largely overblown and realistically does not apply to most people. Even in countries you mention, most people do not drive across country. But there's already a solution for the problem you raised. Battery swapping. It operates in China and now also in Norway. It's exactly like filling up gas. As in it takes about the same time and requires your active participation. As opposed to the bloke who's charging and during their 10-15 minute charging session can actually go to the restroom/toilet and/or have a coffee or something to eat or whatever. Not to mention having a 10-15 minute break every 2-3 hours does wonders for your well-being.

[@bruiser6479]

@@Astrotripper2000 I suspect you don’t live in Australia, Canada, or the USA. Here in Western Australia long road trips are very normal. It’s 400 km from where I live to Perth, and that is not a long drive for here. Road trips and caravanning are very popular because of the distances we have to travel. The charging infrastructure doesnt exist to facilitate a massive shift to an ev fleet. Don’t forget that the UK and Western Europe are tiny. London to Moscow is 1000 km less distance than it is from Perth to Sydney. Australia is also very hot. A friend of mine drove through 50 degrees celsius on a trip across Australia. I wouldn’t want to be unable to use my car air conditioning in those conditions because I was suffering range anxiety in an EV. For places like Australia, it is difficult to see EVs being anything more than a niche product.

[@toby9999]

For me, price is the biggest barrier.

[@toby9999]

​@@bruiser6479I live in Melboure. 99.9% of my trips are less than 50km return. It makes no sense running a huge gas guzzler around town. Most families in my area own two cars. One could be an EV for communiting and that's exactly what I would do if EVs weren't prohibitively expensive.

[@zbyszanna]

​@@bruiser6479so you are not in the majority, for the majority charging time is not a problem at all. For your particular situation a solution can be to have an ev with 500km real life range (if you do one way 400 km trip in one go) and charge at the destination (maybe at work or something). Most people don't do 400km one way daily and for those charging time hardly matters. During occasional trips you make stops either way and realistically you need a 20 minute charging break every 300km and that's what people often do either way and even if you wouldn't normally take those stops, if you count all the normal trips to the gas station that you don't have to do now because you charge at home or at work or whatever, then you will see you save time on charging as opposed to fueling your ICE car. Of course current EVs are not for everyone and it will take some time for the cars and the infrastructure to be good enough to accommodate all the transportation needs, but for majority of people the current tech is more than enough. For example 65% of people in my country live in houses so they can easily charge at home and they don't travel long distances every day - for them the charging time doesn't matter, in fact, they save time by not having to go to the fuel station at all.

[@mcopanzan]

I remember the bird from GM saying they will be building 1 million Evs by 2025, such rubish.

[@EcoHouseThailand]

Interesting to hear Thailand mentioned. EVs are made here and bought in large numbers, I have two. I am able to power my house and EVs completely from solar due to being in the tropics.

[@drron689]

I don't recall seeing many snowfalls in Thailand....

[@JensSchraeder]

Yah. Right. Solar 😂😂. You’re full of it.

[@jrb_sland]

Higher interest rates have thrown a wet blanket on sales of ALL autos - fewer potential buyers can afford the payments on a car loan. Slower sales are actually a good thing, allowing more time for sober thinking about the future. Government subsidies for EVs are a mistake, as they tend to benefit the wealthy more than the impoverished, as Mr. Baker pointed out for Norway. Let free markets, as explained by Adam Smith in 1776, do their thing. Our various economies need time to transition away from the combustion of fossil fuels - Rome wasn't built in a day, and if we attempt to make the switch too quickly, billions of us will likely starve to death without diesel fuel for our agricultural tractors & their implements. Now is a critical time for careful thinking & planning & consultations with experts, not short-sighted panic spending which will waste our limited treasure on unproven pie-in-the-sky frauds so beloved by our many politicians with little scientific understanding of how the real technological world works...

[@nockianlifter661]

Government subsidies are a mistake, full stop.

[@johnnyjones5385]

Australia's major Hardware store has removed all petrol chainsaws and replaced them with battery/electric. Battery chainsaws have there place but to believe it will replace petrol is laughable. And to remove customers choice should be criminal.... I see the same similarities as cars. I have both, electric chainsaws and petrol....I mostly use the electric.... But when I need to perform real work the petrol wins hands down.... The problem is I can't afford to buy both for veihicles.... Also if we only had battery vehicles.... You just need one to catch alight and the whole carpark of vehicles will burn out of control.... It will ressult in major deaths and there is no real way of stopping the chain reaction. You are driving peice of magnesium trip/thermite accelerant.... Once it burns there is no puting it out... IS that what we really want in a populllated area...

[@Ryan-ff2db]

I agree with the first part but a single EV fire is less likely to bring down a parking structure than a gas and you can read the Luton fire report to get some info on this. The UK lost two parking structures in the last 10 years do to gasoline/diesel fires and the latest at Luton park was blamed on an EV by the disinformation brigade but the fire report clearly states otherwise. I am amazed the UK doesn't have fire suppression required in parking structures as this would have prevented either a gas or battery fire from spreading. It's the spreading of the fire that's dangerous not a single vehicle. In the US I have never seen a parking garage without fire suppression, even when I was kid, which was a long time ago.

[@johnnyjones5385]

@@Ryan-ff2db Supression system would not be able to extinuish lithium batteries on fire.... Once they start, all you can do is let it burn out... If you have car parked side by side in a dnesily populated car park..... Run like hell....

[@Ryan-ff2db]

@@johnnyjones5385 A suppression system wouldn't extinguish a fuel fire either but that misses the point. They would most certainly keep it from spreading.

[@johnnyjones5385]

Of course you can. That is exctactly what Class B fire extinguishers are designed for.. Unlike Lithium batteires they burns so hot and so quickly it's almost impossible to put out.... The best you can hope for is to get out of it's way...

[@Ryan-ff2db]

@@johnnyjones5385 I was talking about fire suppression systems in car parks not an extinguisher. Two very different things. As you can see if you read the Luton report a family went to get a fire extinguisher but it was gone. By the time they went to the next level a returned it was too late. A fire suppression system system couldn't have prevented the single fire but it most certainly would have prevented the spread and the destruction of the complex. It seems ridiculous to me that for a savings of less than 1 percent of the structure a system was not installed. This is criminal.

[@striker3]

EV's are neat but not ready for prime time.

[@seanmellows1348]

My son bought a two year old Tesla. Young and impulsive, a victim of a buddy who’s new in the auto sales game, and unscrupulous sales financiers. I’d like to think he got value on account of recent price drops, but I more suspect he got a tough lesson in slow progress.

[@Mrbfgray]

If he bought smart he'll probably do well, saving some $10k in 'fueling' costs over 150k miles and his Tesla will retain some residual value where as an ICE will not. Plus he enjoys far better driving experience and safest rig on the road.

[@zwieseler]

And when its software is up to date, he will be driving a car equivalent to a brand new one….

[@Mrbfgray]

@@zwieseler New in terms of software, the hardware is advancing fast too, Model 3 refresh is significantly superior and they don't wait for such to continuously incrementally improve.

[@CrusaderSports250]

​​@@Mrbfgraythe 10,000 in fuel he has saved can go towards the 15 or 20,000 more that the tesla has cost. How many evs have got to 150,000 miles, and what is the state of their batteries?, a modern ice car will still have life left in it as a petrol or good for the same again if its diesel, and it won't have lost much in range, all manufacturers claims are just that claims , it's what happens in the real world that counts, EV range depends on battery size, and that means cost, a larger fuel tank is pennies in manufacturer, and the reduction in range due to weight varies as the tank empties, not so with an EV as its "fuel tank" always has the same weight. As far as safety is concerned I think the jury is out on that one.

[@Mrbfgray]

@@CrusaderSports250 More than what? A crappy Corolla which will be worth zero in 4 yrs? Not even a new Corolla is that much cheaper than a *used* Model 3 most likely, closer to parity initial price. But a used Corolla perhaps.

[@jimsi301]

I’m fine with government mandating only battery electric vehicles can be sold so long as no fossil fuels are used in any stage of the manufacture or operation of the vehicles. 😊

[@gregb7353]

That's not how anything ever has worked. Oil will continue to be used with little end in sight, we'll just quit burning it.

[@radweld]

An EV should only be charged with Wind or Solar. without fossil fuel backup, EV's work even worse than they do today.

[@onsokumaru4663]

Impossible

[@TeslaDo_d]

This is an awesome idea. In reciprocation, no ICE vehicles should be produced or operated with electricity in any way. It's only fair, right? What a stupid thing to say...

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@TeslaDo_d He's completely overlooked the *massive* amounts of electricity used just to pump oil out of the ground, let alone refine it.......

[@geoff37s38]

Some of the “bumps in the road” are more than mere “bumps”. Current battery technology is not sustainable. There are insufficient raw materials on Planet Earth to manufacture batteries needed to replace all ICE vehicles with EV’s. I am not aware of any credible plan to recycle batteries. Fast charging requires a massive amount of power. Electricity generation and distribution networks will need to be upgraded to deliver the energy once delivered by petrol and diesel. This is an absolutely enormous and costly undertaking and will take generations.

[@ronpreece3429]

I don’t know how these owners of EV’s sleep at night I won’t even park beside one.

[@ronpreece3429]

Insurance companies will decide if this will be a successful venture

[@2rightsmakeauturn]

if I was to live to be 1000 years old I may buy an EV ... no I won't

[@jimgraham6722]

We were also sad to get rid of the horse. One day it simply disappeared. My dad would never say what happened to it but I suspect it went to the knackers.

[@ironclaw6969]

@@jimgraham6722 The difference is that the automobile offered a significant advantage over a horse. The same can't be said of battery-powered cars.

[@jimgraham6722]

@@ironclaw6969 Agree, not quite the same, however, still a very big improvement. I still drive ICE occasionally when I draw the short straw. It's like driving a 1950 Ford compared to a 2020 BMW. Still gets you from A to B at a reasonable pace, but in a very different manner.

[@ironclaw6969]

@@jimgraham6722 I can't stand the things, they feel ... sterile, soulless I take great pride in keeping my cars running exactly as they did when they were brand new, and one is 20 years old, the other is almost 10. Last time I had an issue with my daily driver, I knew what it was from the feel of how the engine was idleing even before the CEL turned on, dead coil and I knew immediately because it wasn't it's usual silky smooth idle you get from an inline 6.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@ironclaw6969 They're not battery powered. The power comes from electricity *stored* in the battery. The battery doesn't power it, electricity does.....

[@andyhowlett2231]

From Forbes: 'It’s a problem faced by millions who’ve bought electric vehicles - approximate rather than exact mileage ranges. Now three Tesla owners in California are doing something about it. The three owners filed a proposed class action lawsuit suit yesterday against the electric automaker. accusing Tesla of falsely advertising the estimated driving ranges of its electric vehicles. The suit, filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, cites a Reuters article published July 27 saying Tesla had created a "Diversion Team" in Nevada whose entire purpose was to to cancel as many range-related appointments as it could after the company was flooded with complaints about short mileage. Reuters had also reported that about ten years ago, Tesla wrote algorithms for their in-dash range meters predicting best-scenario estimates for how many miles drivers could count on if they had full batteries, according to an unnamed source. Tesla and owner Elon Musk did not reply to requests for comment, according to Reuters. But Tesla hasn’t responded to any press inquiries since 2020.

[@JamesAllmond]

I saw one burn to the ground on Susten Pass in Switzerland this summer. Appears to have happened while driving... Family looked right pitiful standing on the side of the road...car looked worse. Was up in the high part of the pass too... Had to wait an inordinate amount of time for it to finally go out to make it safe enough to go on the trailer! No thank you. Batties to expensive, obviously some issues with fires, they are not economical at all, range horrible, their fuel consumption is legendary - and not in a good way.

[@andrew30m]

As per the American insurance industry EVs are much less likely to combust than diesel or petrol, but nice story.my EV does 300 miles in summer, 250 in the coldest winters day so far, but it’s irrelevant because the average journey is 18 miles in the U.K.

[@Dimitris-td5kb]

It was a fashion....and now is gone.

[@jimwhite8152]

"If the best people are working on this, they aren't working on other things". For me, this is a message of hope, and not in a small way. I think we have huge numbers of very smart people working on trivial nonsense, and I think there's a good chance many will see that there's an alternative to microoptimising deadends which is far more satisfying.

[@user-yq2wk6yg8s]

I gave your post a thumbs up because I assumed you were referring to EV facilitation when you mentioned micro-optimising deadends.

[@SmileyEmoji42]

What is your evidence to support this? If you were one of the smartest people (not just very smart but the smartest - The ones who create genuinely new stuff) would you work on trivial nonsense? If you wouldn't then why assume that otrhers would?

[@jimwhite8152]

@@SmileyEmoji42 I think there's a large amount of very smart people working for big tech doing trivial nonsense, that's one example. Perhaps it's the worst one though?

[@SeattlePioneer]

I agree. For openers NASA should be shut down and those working on space travel issues should be repurposed to work on the various problems of electric vehicles.

[@user-yq2wk6yg8s]

@@SeattlePioneer When this is proposed, it is usually claimed that very little money in the grand scheme of the economy is spent on space exploration. And that which is spent brings spin-off rewards. I'm not sure which side is right on this. I used to think that they should stop spending money on motor racing but apparently this helps development of more efficient engines. I'm not certain whether development of more efficient engines was totally a good thing. Did it not just lead to people working ever further from their homes? And living further and further from their families? They wouldn't have needed to go so far, if their families could not so easily reach them due to more efficient engines.

[@Cant_prove_god]

Tesla is about to own the planet. Nearly all the automakers have just standardised on Tesla’s NACS connector, and started making their Supercharger network available to most EVs. That’s the equivalent of Toyota owning all the gas stations. Tesla’s percentage of all new car sales continues to climb, while all their old world competitors are failing at EVs. Buying an EV is purely financially justified. I would normally buy a medium luxury car at about USD$40k, I can get a Tesla Model 3 which is just as luxurious, but with way better in-car software experience (constantly updated over the air…for free) for less than that, and then i pay next to zero to fuel it (I have rooftop solar). I rarely drive more than 200 miles in a day, and the Tesla network makes long trip charging a cinch when I do. Is there any other consideration?

[@petercollingwood522]

For now nothing. In future there will be problems as other cars start to load the Tesla grid. For now it's fine. It won't be when there are too many cars for the infrastructure.

[@coolranch1660]

How much did your rooftop solar cost?

[@stephenluke2347]

Yes, we live in am apartment, with no off street parkig and no solar panels. But thank you for your advice.

[@ironclaw6969]

I don't know about you, but I don't want people f*cking with my car without my knowledge and consent.

[@petercollingwood522]

@@ironclaw6969 Definitely. Anything that can be fixed with a software update over the air, can be completely controlled by such as well. Not interested. But that of course is more a specific Tesla thing at this point. Because they are less cars than computers on wheels concieved and built by code monkeys.

[@thescouselander5531]

According to Statista the UK is second only to Italy in being the most expensive country for electricity. That means anything that runs on electricity probably isn't a good idea here.

[@mirkoarrigoni8835]

Here in Italy you lose money with chargers and barely save by charging at home, by the time you recoup the extra costs you would've changed car already. The only ones that buy them are wealthy techy people often with solar

[@turningpoint4238]

Comparing electricity costs to other country electricity costs isn't the comparison you should be looking at.

[@williammeek4078]

So make your own and you will save a massive amount of money.

[@williammeek4078]

America doesn’t have a lack of enthusiasm for EVs. EV sales are up 50% so far this year. It is crappy and overpriced EVs from legacy automakers that we don’t have any enthusiasm for.

[@williammeek4078]

@@mirkoarrigoni8835solar is cheap and Italy is sunny. You can drop your electricity cost for not just your EV but also your home to near zero.

[@markanderson3740]

I'm on the cusp to purchase an e-bike that could replace the use of our 08 Versa for 7 of 10 trips, but the rediculous regulations prohibit me from riding the 1kw bike in public. All i need is to hillclimb with a bag of groceries, but nope, our government wants you to walk pushing the bike. I don't live in the prairies.

[@kimhamiltonpsychoanalytica2778]

Ev are expensive to buy and to run they depreciate at an alarming rate.What about the growing cost to repair and the danger of burning down car parks? Not very green. They are stressful on any trip that requires charging. The recharging network is there but often doesn’t work sometimes because the power in the grid is not able to supply the demand. Chargers are out of order growingly expensive, then there can be long waits to use them. The greenest car on the road is a 15 year old Land Rover Defender. Never mind Norway will the UK have the will or the money to invest in cars few people want?

[@twig3288]

Any financial incentives offered by governments to herd ppl into ev ownership will be temporary. They’ll need to replace the enormous revenues currently generated (no pun intended) by fuel duty and the plethora of other taxes levied upon owners of petrol and diesel vehicles

[@rp9674]

If that's true used EVS should be a amazing deal

[@Brian-om2hh]

So lease instead of buying, then you'll have no worries regarding depreciation...... Expensive to run? A full charge at home costs me around £6 to £7, and does me around a week...... "Growing cost to repair?" I haven't needed any repairs in 3 years, apart from a faulty seat belt warning sensor, repaired under the 7 year warranty. You clearly have zero actual EV experience. I don't recognise most of what you posted as fact. With respect, it's a typical non EV owner post.

[@6teeth318-w5k]

Cold? Low range. Hot, using air conditioning, low range. Hills, low range. Not a curate battery measure, low range. Rolling blackout, no range.

[@robertcharles7085]

Moron biden wants all government vehicles EV even in Alaska, minnesota, northern Michigan Montana severe cold not EV weather. Waste of money. 🙋🏻‍♂️🙋🏻‍♂️🙋🏻‍♂️😜😜😜🐒🐒🐒😎😎😎

[@micholfisher9683]

Electric vehicles performed poorly in recent floods in NZ. Understand many were scrapped as a result. Not great in outrunning hurricanes either it seems. Gas powered vehicles appeared to perform much better in extreme weather events. Cash also performed better than on line banking tools in the aftermath of recent extreme weather events with sustained loss of power.

[@ConstanceCox]

Let's see a gas car 'perform' well in a f-ing flood. Whatever.

[@Ryan-ff2db]

@@ConstanceCox lol, yeah that's a pretty weird comment. An insurance company totals any cars that's been submerged, regardless if it's an EV or whatever.

[@MRT-co1sd]

LoL…thanks for the joke.😂

[@Bigwheels161616]

@@Ryan-ff2db my Acura TL is a salvaged car from Florida flood. Was rebuilt with the same engine and runs just fine. I would take years before technicians figure out how to really salvage an EV engine.

[@Ryan-ff2db]

@@Bigwheels161616 So. The way you worded that just proves my comment correct, which it is. I'm also a bit curious how old this car you rebuilt was? It's far too much risk for an insurance company to deal with a submerged vehicle, which is why they total them. Especially any modern car. After every major hurricane there's always some unscrupulous dealer that will pass off flooded vehicles without telling the customer. If you are good with cars maybe it's worth it to you, but an ordinary person should never purchase a flooded vehicle.

[@davehickey2293]

Examining the EV situation without accounting for Tesla makes it appear one way. Have a look at the losses the complaining companies are experiencing. That is the true reason they are taking to the airwaves en masse. They can't produce a viable product or they can't produce a needed or wanted product. When a company is making quality, affordable cars that people want, people buy them. I'm not sure whether you want to hear this kind of data. Your basic motivation in producing this video determines that factor. One can usually find a way to make something appear better than it is or worse. This video makes it appear "very worse". The EV adoption curve is very strong, despite what the mainstream media are presently promulgating. Frankly, the only audiences to soak up that line of propaganda are the ones too busy or lazy to look at the actual stats, graphs, et al.

[@robertcharles7085]

Oh that's rich. I'm of the opinion the opposite is true. But mallen is all about co2 reduction. Personally I'm OK with co2 reduction. As long as the method is viable. I have little patience for fools. Like people who disregard the consequences of their co2 reduction crusade. Go ahead tell me how wonderful it will be when only EVs are on the road. Go ahead I dare you. 🙋🏻‍♂️🙋🏻‍♂️🙋🏻‍♂️😜😜😜🐒🐒🐒😎😎😎

[@markriding1267]

There's only one way to save the planet......more taxation 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@maplin007]

The insurance companies know that the battery is half the cost of the car and if it’s slightly damaged then it’s expensive to fix. Add the fire hazard people might be a bit reticent to park it near their house which quite a few have. Still all those no climate change fantassists will probably never be able to afford one eh Mallen 🙄

[@turningpoint4238]

You may have last looked at battery costs a decade ago. Tesla's burn considerably less than average ICE vehicles.

[@DHW256]

@@turningpoint4238 Give 'em some time.

[@chrisfallis5851]

I would never keep or charge an EV within 10 meters of my house. Fire phobia you might say.

[@maplin007]

@@turningpoint4238 £4000-20,000 apparently depending on the make, still an awful lot if you’ve just had a prang and you have to replace plus repair the damage.

[@turningpoint4238]

Talking of fire hazards you see the four people dead today in Vic? An ICE vehicle of course, if that was a Tesla chances are they would be alive.

[@mballer]

Electric vehicles are great for a few miles trip to the grocery store.

[@lingham2099]

Not for the money

[@shoobidyboop8634]

@@lingham2099 Exactly, which is why in the US, the first adopters are those with enough $$$ to buy an EV as a third grocery-getting car. That pool of buyers is dwindling, and we're seeing EV sales tank as a result.

[@andytunnicliffe7223]

Said someone who has never owned one.

[@TB-up4xi]

Yes they are great for that task - but they are also great for a 1200 mile - Sydney-Melbourne-Sydney return journey - which I found far more pleasant in my EV (and took less time and cost less) than in my previous car (which was not a shabby vehicle by any means a 2019 Audi Q5 V6 Diesel).

[@Ryan-ff2db]

@@shoobidyboop8634 I kept my gas powered car when I purchased an EV thinking I would need it for trips. I drive about 40,000 miles a year mostly for business and my little tesla has saved so much money on fuel and maintenance it's insane. I have solar so fuel is basically free, most of the time. Turns out I had to keep jumping my gas car everytime I used it because it would just sit there. EV's are so fun to drive I just never used the gas car anymore so I eventually sold it. I'm now on my second Tesla, I sold the first after 168,000 miles but it was still running perfectly fine. I'm not saying they are right for everyone and the technology is still advancing but you really should run some numbers rather just poopooing something just because you think you don't like it. EV's work for a lot more people than you think and we are well beyond first adopters now.

[@barriewilliams4526]

I remember the government pushing diesel cars, that went well🙃 If you want to lose your shirt, buy a new battery powered car😂

[@user-yq2wk6yg8s]

Yeah, more recently there was the scrappage scheme.

[@ghunt9146]

Others on here say they make financial sense, they must be on another planet. Have they not seen the incredible depreciation on EV's & the ever increasing insurance costs? It's all virtue signalling madness!

[@user-yq2wk6yg8s]

@@ghunt9146 "It's all virtue signalling madness!" Could be, in some cases. I think it's more commonly driven by the better-off taking whatever advantage (subsidy) they can get so they can stay ahead of the rest of the herd.

[@Brian-om2hh]

They're not powered by the battery. They are powered by electricity *stored* in the battery. It's like saying a petrol tank powers an ICE car....not the petrol in it. And diesel cars were pushed at the time it happened because the (then) scientific data available, showed them to be the preferable option over a petrol car. That data has since been shown to have been flawed. I have mentioned this to you on a previous occasion......

[@ryanjacques2007]

​@@ghunt9146 I dunno I mean if you wanted a cheap EV second car for nipping to the shops you can get a first gen leaf for £3.5k, I think they're way more affordable now than they have been. Gone are the days of all EVs costing £50k, price parity is around the corner.

[@rayoflight1090]

The only good electric cars were Scalextric....😅

[@markthomasson5077]

…well mine normally came off the track at the second corner

[@davidphillips1133]

The non-Tesla car makers can't sell there cars because they just don't have the attitude that weight is an absolute design necessity. Car makers have to abandon there way of making cars because EV's are not ICE cars.

[@That-Guy_]

Correct

[@petertraveller6421]

Batteries will change and fire of the battery problem will go away. Example BYD Blade cell should not get fire, they say it's safest battery today, also Tesla use LFP cells in some cars. 5 years and lots of new things will come to EV market.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Correct. BYD have devised the newer Blade Type battery, which has zero thermal runaway characteristics. No more fires. Oh dear, what will the press have to right about then? Wind turbines killing whales I expect....

[@ValiantGarton]

I fully accept the science of climate change. I also fully accept that humanity is farken stupid. I therefore fully accept we are farked.

[@That-Guy_]

We had a good run

[@Isclachau]

I really wish people would stop saying EV is new tech, it’s a battery, older than ICE cars themselves. It’s old tech used too drive 2 or 4 wheels around exactly the same as ICE cars.

[@coolranch1660]

yes

[@MrBadjohn69]

Until you can buy a "one gallon electric fuel can" I will stick with my "76 VW Bug.

[@jimgraham6722]

I had one of those, remember changing the engine in the driveway. It eventually fell in half and had to go to the scrapyard.

[@That-Guy_]

Or just plan better. I charge at home while I sleep and have never run out of battery. When I had a gas car I never ran out of fuel then either.

[@MrBadjohn69]

@@That-Guy_ I guess you never road trip then. Oh well. BTW nothing like charging up at home when the power goes out in the middle of the night.

[@That-Guy_]

@@MrBadjohn69 To the contrary, in the 13 months I have had my Model 3 I have put 26,846 miles on it. I have driven from Houston to Orlando, Tulsa, Dallas (5×), Austin (6×) and San Antonio (3×) As I charge nightly but could go 4 to 5 days without changing, I never have to worry about a 1 or 2 day power outage.

[@MrBadjohn69]

@@That-Guy_ If you go 4 or 5 days without charging that means you don't drive alot AND you don't live up North. BTW I noticed you are not in California which shuts down its power grid on a regular basis. Nothing like jumping into your EV and then finding out ALL the charge stations are down because Gavin Newsome needs the electricity for his AC. I wonder how your EV would have handled the Ice Storm in 2021. And which is more important at that time, charging an EV or your neighbor having heat? Hmmmm

[@markday5797]

EV resale falling like a rock, no thanks.

[@lib1007]

EVs adoption is growing in a steady phase (30% to 50% annually). Based on data, i don’t see any slow down. But I agree some of the legacy auto makes (WV, GM etc) couldn't sell EVs.

[@jeromebarry1741]

Do Norwegian EV work in Norwegian winter? The physics of battery electrical performance in cold is quite solid.

[@valdisfilks9427]

Good video, there are problems with EVs which we did not realise, but we should have known this. When I saw my first electric car (a Tesla) I wanted one and could not see any problem, only service requirements looked like brakes, brake fluid and windscreen washer. Electric motors are great. But we were not told that battery technology is very slow to improve. Battery tech has been badly over hyped and promised, which leads to a loss of trust in the EV market. We were not told about the EV fire issues, we were not told about the extra weight of EVs, which causes extra tyre wear, road wear and accident problems. More weight in cars is generally a bad thing in many areas, safety, performance, material stress etc. We were not told about the increased cost of accident damage and repair complexity with EVs. Obviously the EV insurance becomes a higher risk, insurance does not like unknowns. So you are right, we may solve the EV issues, but it will take longer than expected. The problem is that there is a tribal and binary narrative, where the only answer is EVs, just like the only answer is wind/solar. However, it is irresponsible not to invest in other technological solutions like hydrogen fuel cells because this threatens EVs. The environmental EV movement has become religious, not scientific ( I am an ex green party member) as it just does not entertain any other solution and overrules environmental best practice to achieve ideological fallacies. And nature does not like single species solutions, it likes evolution and diversity. We need to look at all areas an not be religious about EVs, (wind/solar), battery technology has been very slow to develop for decades if not centuries, lets not go down a dead end. Keep all options open. Remember that California gets 40% electricity from fossil fuel and buries toxic solar panels in landfills. But California politicians like German politicians have a lot of fake green policies. It will take time to get the right balance and learn from out mistakes.

[@mrfoameruk]

Top ten heavy cars 2023 are ICE cars (think range rovers/large SUVs) and the 11th is a tesla. Fire issues EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire (biggest fire in UK caused by a diesel). battery tech.10 years ago batteries took you 80 miles, today they take you up to 300. Tire wear is down to how you drive them and with regen break dust is reduced. My EV is the same weight as my diesel car. Insurance is the same as my diesel.

[@robertcharles7085]

​@@mrfoamerukso how much cobalt needs to be mined in the congo by child labor to build a diesel. Oh that's right none. Just making sure you know the difference. 🙋🏻‍♂️🙋🏻‍♂️🙋🏻‍♂️🍸🍸🍸🤫🤫🤫😜😜😜🐒🐒🐒😎😎😎

[@oliverpolden]

“We weren’t told…” If I’m going to spend tens of thousands of money on something I’m going to do tens of minutes researching potential issues. Lithium battery fires are nothing new, battery degradation is nothing new, energy density would be something that would cross my mind leading to the questions: “how heavy are the batteries… how much does the car weigh… what effect does that have…?” The question, “how long does it take to charge” is obvious as does how much will it cost for a certain range. I mean in two minutes I’ve covered the beginnings of most of the issues facing EVs and I’m pretty sure that’s not just hindsight. Right now, given the amount of batteries being made for these cars, there’s bound to be a significant breakthrough in battery technology if there hasn’t already. It’s a matter of time before new batteries are rolled out making every single EV car on the road today pretty much obsolete: better range/weight, safety and longevity.

[@mbengambenga-xi6dp]

I think ev fires will be big issue. EV fires in parking garage if half are all EV will burn all 1000s of cars. AN EV FIRES SPREAD FASTER AND UP, IT WILL SPREAD UNLIKE A GAS FIRE... Gasoline is worse in fire than diesel, differences matter, EV fires are rare but spread fast!! I guess we can mandate every 2nd parking space empty. And bar them from ferries and Chunnel.... I guess fhe odds are low enough OK for house garage. But not apartment garages with 100s of cars. It's not a deal breaker, just a medium hassle.

[@turningpoint4238]

You are badly informed.

[@jasiaci1]

Just Buy a Tesla, honestly you'll regret it if you do not

[@That-Guy_]

I love my Tesla

[@Sp_75-76]

The problem with the whole issue is the fact that people are being forced by governments into EV’s albeit over a large number of years. If this wasn’t the case then the transition would take longer but there would be none of this point scoring that is going on. You ask any young boy what car he wants when he grows up, he will invariably say he wants a Tesla because that is what he understands having spent all his life using some kind of computer for his entertainment.

[@gregb7353]

I get your general dread but not sure about forced. It's more like how manual transmissions are no longer the cheap trim option or really a thing anymore and you love manuals. The only problem I have with the video above is they didn't mention what the aggressive timelines are and didn't guess at what might be a more sane timeline. Sure, some states are going to require you to go out of state to buy a car starting around 2035. I bet they let that slip to 2040, but yeah that is a thing. Used gas cars are not banned at all, just the sale of new gas cars. Hybrids are allowed so it's not like no gas even in those states in 2035. It will be 2070+ before the gas market implodes because of lack of demand/production. You can drive a gas car the rest of your life easily, just maybe not the coolest latest models if you live past 2070.

[@DHW256]

@@gregb7353 You're being compelled to offset the cost of EV production through carbon offsets and cost sharing. And it ain't cheap.

[@ironclaw6969]

I have no problem with the forced transition as long as happens well after I'm dead, because that's the only way I'll ever ride in an EV is if it's a hearse.

[@Bigwheels161616]

@@ironclaw6969 lol, thats not being a good citizen. Many young people also hate how govts are pushing us all into EVs. I have my life ahead of me and I will never own an EV. Drove my co workers tesla and I cant lie, it is a fun car to drive :)

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@ironclaw6969 Well, you could at least draw some crumbs of comfort now, as electric powered hearses are already being used....

[@TandNFox]

The volume of EV,s can only be in proportion to the amount of electrical energy produced to propel them !

[@Brian-om2hh]

And ICE cars can only operate if oil is available, which it probably no longer will be in another 25 year. There is a major flaw in your statement. As the number of EV's increases, then the demand/need to refine petrol and diesel from oil *decreases* which means that the electricity once used to refine that fuel, can then be used to charge those EV's.......

[@Astrotripper2000]

Well, that's refreshing. A reasonable, informative take on the current situation. Well done.

[@peat11]

The very same 18650 batteries that are grouped together to make an ev battery have been banned from airlines for many many years, I know this because I use them to vape with and the only way to get them in the UK is from China, not only airlines but a lot of postal services and delivery agents would not not carry them it became harder and harder to obtain them they all came by sea and took many weeks. So ask yourself why, these batteries wich were well packaged they all came in individual plastic plastic boxes containing two surrounded by bubble wrap and in very strong paper envelopes. Now let's get to the nitty gritty why airlines and not ships there is something fishy about this particular format of lithium battery, why are they so dangerous up in the air, it is presumable that they are prone to SELF destruction in certain conditions, more prevalent in the hold of a plane than a ship. Airlines are not stupid and do not give up a good revenue stream without good reason, having used them for over a decade and seen in the vaping community how to be VERY careful and never use the cheap battery charger that came with a lot of vaping sets but use a good quality separate unit and still charge them in a fire proof container (which I do not). The only answer is these are capable of spontaneous self combustion.

[@harrynac6017]

I think the poorer Norwegians have more choice in 3rd hand ICE cars now, which they were buying before the EV's anyway. How the 3rd hand EV business will be in the future, I don't know, given the 10-20 years lifespan of the pricy batteries.

[@ivilivo]

It have been a nice market for 3rd hand ICE cars in Norway. But recently prices have gone up for the "ceapest" cars. Reasons?? Fewer of them? More demand? Have also heard that they get exported.. ?

[@Paul58061]

Generally, I agree with the views of this man. There are a few technical points that I disagree with - like the fact that it is almost futile to fight an EV fire with water, as those batteries have been known to burn underwater.

[@chrisfallis5851]

Submersion in salt water works for battery fires. I saw EVs coming out of the burned out car transport in Northern Europe a few weeks ago get a complete baptism. They were still smoldering 3 or 4 days after the onboard fire but that ended quickly after a salt water bath.

[@lewisbrand]

It may well be statistically correct that EVs don't catch fire as often as ICE cars, however one ICE car going to hell doesn't take out a whole carpark/building, an EV does. EVs will be banned from all multi storey and underground ( enclosed ) carparks very soon, simply because no one will insure these locations for the wipeout disaster that EVs present to a risk assessor. No insurability = end of EVs, no matter what the evangelists want. Luton airport carpark ( 1400 cars involved, and written off ) has just experienced this ; and that was a diesel hybrid, not a fully electric vehicle. ENTIRE ( less than 2 years old ) carpark destroyed and to be demolished.

[@johnnyjones5385]

It's weird that so few are talking about this major risk... As it has the potential to kill 100's even 1000's under the right scenario...

[@lewisbrand]

@@johnnyjones5385 some people are. It took years for the Plimsol line to be accepted as a sensible idea by the great and good. The plimsol line ( s ) are the maximum loading ( due to specific buoyancy ) of vessels before they are so overloaded that they seriously risk sinking. Trees and Forest my friend

[@johnnyjones5385]

@@lewisbrand That's not a great analogy, Drawing a line and making it a national standard didn't required great technologic solution.... It kinda like putting a cigarrete label, smoking will cause cancer.... When I watch lithium batteries burn reminds me of high school science experiment. Watching magnsium strip burn.... Stopping that burning mid stream I would imagine be extremely challenging....

[@jimgraham6722]

​@@johnnyjones5385Problem is most cars are packed with aluminium/magnesium alloy, engine blocks, gear boxes, wheels. The fire gets stoked by all the plastic. All that material burns ferociously.

[@lewisbrand]

@@johnnyjones5385 horses for courses Pretending that science and physics is but a trifling impediment to Utopia is quite literally crazy. That's not a poor analogy, it's sanity over people who don't know how to tie their shoelaces.

[@christopheblanchi4777]

Companies that face major roadblock have simply not provided the range/price point/performance that people want. Tesla, KIA clearly are doing well. The other manufacturer have failed in some way. Porsche/Audi are simply too expensive, the EV hummer was a stupid concept to start with, the Lightning would never work as a pickup truck because of the energy density, the Mach E does not have the excitement. Tesla is selling more Ys than all the other brand's EVs combined. Rather than whining, other car companies should develop a top quality car that competes with the 3 and the Y. EV sales are increasing in 2023. It will take time for the superchargers to deploy.

[@maxm8986]

I bought a Tesla Model 3 in September of 2022 and saved over $14000.00 dollars in fuel in less than a year. I did not get any incentives for the purchase but it was still a good purchase.

[@ovidiuortan3231]

How much do you drive?... I drive 30000 miles in a year and I pay about 2000 Euro for fuel. If I would drive a Tesla I would pay about 1200Euro , that would mean 800 Euro savings. To reach the 13000 Euro (14000$) in savings, I would have to drive 16,25 times more... that is 16,25*30k=487500k Miles.

[@williammeek4078]

⁠​⁠@@ovidiuortan3231At the average price of €1.8/L, that is 1100 liters for 30,000 miles. Either you are getting 100 MPG (42.5 km/L) (1100 liters is almond 300 gallons) or you are paying well below market price for petrol.

[@alhumphreys5784]

More bs from an EV owner!

[@Calcraft11]

​@@alhumphreys5784you're right all these EV people are a bunch of liars.There Batteries have more brain cells.

[@coolranch1660]

lol, 14k worth of fuel... SMH

[@ConstanceCox]

This is a bunch of BS. Sounds like a post from an oil company.

[@robertcharles7085]

I gave you a thumbs 👍 Because you make mallens point crystal clear. 🙅‍♂️🙅‍♂️🙅‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🙅‍♂️🙅‍♂️🙅‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️😜😜😜🐒🐒🐒😎😎😎

[@jaapruzius7976]

On Juli 23rd 2023, a cargo ship caught fire just north of the Waddensea, one of the most important wetlands of the world, home to millions seabirds. It carried about 4000 cars, of which 500 were EVs. The fire in the EV department could not be stopped. The only thing preventing this fire from becoming an massive environmental disaster is the fact that not all 4000 cars were EVs. The ship burned for weeks, producing toxic smoke in this delicate area. This time, we got lucky.

[@andrew30m]

The approximately 500 all-electric vehicles aboard the Fremantle Highway cargo ship that caught fire last month off the Netherlands’ coast are reportedly in good condition, according to Automotive Logistics, quoting Peter Berdowski, CEO of Boskalis Salvage Company. Speaking with the local Dutch press, Berdowski said that the 500 EVs are among the 1,000 vehicles that “seem to be in good condition” and are “perfectly movable”. As per local media reports, the lower four decks of the cargo ship (out of a total of 12) are relatively undamaged, and it’s here where the battery-powered vehicles were located. At the same time, the four uppermost decks experienced temperatures so high that they “totally fused with the cars” as a result of the fire, Berdowski said. Your welcome.

[@jaapruzius7976]

@@andrew30m than I stand corrected for this incident. The argument however that a ship full of EVs on fire can be a disaster for the envirnonment still stands I think.

[@andrew30m]

@@jaapruzius7976 possibly but nothing in comparison to the damage the oil industry causes every single day. “Up to 3,000 cases of oil dumped by commercial ships may be happening every year in European waters, according to a new investigation, which found the scale of illegal “bilge dumping” is likely to be far higher than publicly acknowledged.” Bilge water is a mix of liquids from the engine room of a ship along with other potentially toxic substances including lubricants, cleaning solvents and metals such as lead and arsenic, which collects at the bottom of the vessel. Dealing with this oily wastewater - by treating it to remove pollutants or by offloading it at port - is expensive. To cut down on operational costs, some ships simply dump it directly into the ocean, where it can pose a serious threat to marine life. “The total volume of oil lost to the environment from tanker spills in 2022 was approximately 15,000 tonnes. More than 14,000 tonnes of this can be attributed to the three large incidents.” ATLANTIC EMPRESS (1979), 287,000 tonnes spilt; CASTILLO DE BELLVER (1983), 252,000 tonnes spilt; ABT SUMMER (1991), 260,000 tonnes spilt and SANCHI (2018), 113,000 tonnes spilt

[@teardowndan5364]

Sweden appears to have the battery fire issue mostly solved: use a water jet to pierce the floor and shoot water directly into the battery pack in the hottest spot based on thermal imaging. Takes them about 10 minutes and 240L of water to bring a thermal runaway under control. Far more effective than randomly spraying water everywhere and hope for the best.

[@davidorr6627]

It's not water they are using. It's beyond that has been chilled. Check out the video that John Cadogan did about it.

[@user-yq2wk6yg8s]

Can the system be built into every car? Or will the new super-equipped fire engines be able to reach every one in time?

[@djfozzi]

@@davidorr6627 exactly that, using super cooled BRINE at -19C... not pure WATER

[@djfozzi]

NOT PURE WATER..... search: Best EV firefighting (thermal runaway) technique yet! | Auto Expert John Cadogan

[@teardowndan5364]

@@user-yq2wk6yg8s You don't need every fire truck to be equipped with the water jet. Most fire departments see an average of 0 battery fires per day, so they need at most one water-jet truck. Send the water-jet truck and one regular fire truck to an EV fire, regular truck keeps the cabin fire under control while the water-jet crew works on the floor/battery. Once the thermal runaway is under control, the water-jet crew can pack up and leave the rest to the regular fire crew.

[@davegardner2258]

There is no way you can proof a ship against a fire that burns at 3000 degrees F and provides its own oxygen.

[@Alex-ni2ir]

Once EVs have a range greater than a conventional car it will suddenly become the obvious choice for most, based on the current pace of technology I doubt we will have to wait much longer. The limiting factor however is the infrastructure and cost of energy, had we invested in multiple nuclear plants 30 years ago alongside wind power we would not be in the energy crisis we are currently in.

[@richdobbs6595]

It seems unlikely that standard EVs will ever have a greater range than conventional ICE cars, since the energy density of batteries is unlikely to ever approach that of gasoline, and it is incredibly cheap to build a tank to store gasoline in size required by a car. I think the more likely trajectory is that ICE will be crippled by taxes and regulations, that people of modest means will just accept the reduced range for daily use, and more folks will use mass transportation or more modest e-vehichles like bikes and mopeds. Just like lots of folks use Uber today, eventually the rental car market will fill in for folks taking longer distance trips that exceed that of their commuter cars.

[@Ryan-ff2db]

@@richdobbs6595 The average range the industry has settled on is 400 miles range for gas vehicles. Some have a little more and some have a little less but the average is 400. There are already EV's that exceed that, some by a lot, although they are pretty expensive. However, if you look at battery pricing over the last 20 years it has gone from $6,000 per kWh to around $200 a couple years ago to $120 last year to about $81 right now. Lithium prices have fallen off a cliff in recent months so further reduction in battery costs are virtually guaranteed. Not to mention new batteries from companies like CATL that will be in vehicles like Tesla, GM and others in the next few months that will help bring costs down further, while increased density, which means more range. Not only is range parity certain, it's already happening.

[@owainbennett663]

Even if the range was 3 times better than ICE, people will still hate them for something else.

[@user-yq2wk6yg8s]

@@Ryan-ff2db When I see petrol stations closing and charging stations being built in their place... and charging taking 5 mins 'cos otherwise lots of new space for chargers / stations would be needed. (I'm referrring to UK. We don't have much space here.)

[@Ryan-ff2db]

@@user-yq2wk6yg8s It's happening here in the US and Canada, in Scandinavia, China, Thailand, Australia etc... Petrol stations aren't closing but are most definitely adding chargers along with pumps. BP has just purchased 105 million worth of Tesla superchargers for their network and they stated more will come. Convenience stores, Truck Stops, Walmarts, shopping centers, sports arenas, municipalities. Everyone and their grandmother is building these out and the pace is accelerating with charging speeds improving as well. UK is definitely behind most other countries due almost entirely to bureaucratic red tape but it will happen. It's just a matter of time as this video points out.

[@ammerudgrenda]

EVs are perfect for the commute and daily driving. Long distance trip are not yet as feasible, but I’m sure in 5 years they will be.

[@SeattlePioneer]

Heh, heh! I don't doubt it ----if you fly.

[@LJMayhew]

I doubt it but the main issue is charging, last i heard there were 150 chargers in London per 100000 people.

[@markmiller8903]

No they never will be.

[@tuppybrill4915]

Of course rechargeable batteries are not a new technology. For many years now there have been restrictions on sending 'batteries' through the post (unless the battery is embedded in the device i.e. phone) because of the risk of fire but for some reason the risk that your EV might catch fire has come as a surprise to everyone. As the government are driving this they need to take responsibility for the risks which of course they are not going to do. As for charging my understanding is that to charge at home (assuming you have some way of doing that securely) you have to have a special charger installed rather than just plugging into the mains unlike phones where the charge limiting technology is built into the phone, why is it not built into the EV? And as a final point who thought having more than one type of charging port was a good idea so you have to hope that the charging station has your type and that it is working?

[@robertcharles7085]

Your describing a situation where you are the only person in your neighborhood plugging in a car. Make that everyone in your neighborhood plugging in a car. And maybe it's hot outside, and everyone is running the AC. We have not seen this yet. But it's not a question of if but when. Even new construction today the infrastructure is not installed to have a thousand EVs plugging in at night. Fire and blackout would only be the tip of the iceberg in a neighborhood built in 1950. Just saying. 🤫🤫🤫😜😜😜🐒🐒🐒😎😎😎

[@user-yq2wk6yg8s]

I think the batteries would take too long to charge if you didn't have the special connections.

[@Sp_75-76]

You can charge on a 13amp 240 volt outlet @ about 4miles per hour, which for many people will be enough for their day to day needs

[@tuppybrill4915]

​@@user-yq2wk6yg8sFair enough I confess my ignorance in that area. I guess you mean you need something like a cooker circuit installed with a higher ampage and maybe a transformer. However it doesn't change that fundamental problem that we are being asked to pay significantly more for a vehicle that has range issues (because of a lack of infrastructure) that is proving more expensive to insure , may be restricted in where it can be parked and whether it will be allowed on ferries and by extension through the Chunnel and none of this was beyond reasoned analysis before the policy was pursued. I am not against the idea of a change in technology but usually these things are market driven because they represent a personal benefit but this has been pushed by government. This isn't even an 'early adopter' issue now. As long as government stop interfering market forces should sort this out - hopefully.

[@user-yq2wk6yg8s]

@@tuppybrill4915 This is market forces trying to sort things out. The government are just using our taxes to subsidise their deperate attempt to stay in business after peak oil.

[@arthurhill365]

When you talk about 'COST', you failed to discuss 'TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP'. EV's may only cost $4,OOO more than ICE's upfront, but taking repair, cost of operation, and depreciation into account, not counting insurance,if you can ever buy it, the COST OF OWNERSHIP is much much higher than $4,000. You forgot to take into account the fact that if a person has a loan on an EV, they are required to have insurance on it. With many companies refusing to write insurance on EV's, they will not only be unable to drive their cars legally,they will have to pay them off immediately, or return them to the bank and pay the bank the difference on sale value vs. what they owe.

[@BertWald-wp9pz]

As always on this channel, a well researched balanced video. Thanks.

[@turningpoint4238]

It was not.

[@berbandis]

I recently watched a video on electric cars burning under water. It seems that people are trying to use their electric cars for launching boats the same way that they have used gas cars only to find that getting the battery in water is not acceptable. I think we need some labels or media campaigns letting people know that their electric car is not the same as the previous gas car they had in more than just the range and lack of noise. Electric cars have a place but its not a replacement for everything the way its being sold right now.

[@pseudopetrus]

I buy used cars usually, I would feel very nervous buying a used EV.

[@rp9674]

It has worked out very well for me

[@Brian-om2hh]

Why? You could have the battery checked using an OBD device via the car's diagnostic socket. This could provide a print-out of the battery's SOH (state of health) in percentage terms. Typical battery degradation runs at 2 to 3% per year.

[@wendyandrew3707]

Forcing change so fast cannot work.

[@gw7388]

Keep in mind that when ICE vehicles were the top sellers in Norway every house or block of flats, etc,. would have cable ducting in place at parking spots because low overnight temperatures always created problems with battery life due to very high oil viscosity. ICE cars in Norway mostly had plug-in attachments in their crankcases to put some heat in the oil overnight so that the engines would turnover and start first thing in the morning. Due to the amount of ducting available it would be a relatively simple job to wire up chargers for EVs. No oil to worry about.

[@antecboy]

Pretty normal for ICE cars to have block heaters installed up here in scandinavia for winter temperatures. There are also diesel powered block heaters, generally referred to as webasto, at least here in Finland. I do see a lot of EVs on my work commutes on my DIY ebike

[@redcatxb125]

Yea, but that low temp is gonna cut your EV range by 30-50% unless you have a battery heater, which some Evs have but it’s only while being used.

[@antecboy]

@@redcatxb125 True that cold temperatures do cut the usable capacity from the battery pack. I think Tesla's for example allow you to schedule to pre-heat the battery so it can be warmed up before leaving while it's still connected to a wall socket. That's usually how ICE block heaters are also used, you set a timer on the power pole to turn on ~1 hour before you're meant to leave and it'll power on the block heater and usually an interior blower heater. Both of these cases do assume that you are plugged into an outlet, but that's usually available in more winter seasoned countries.

[@nigeltrueman6101]

No just thermal runaway

[@mikenn1734]

The California fire department says they need 76,000 liters to put out electric car fire

[@markthomasson5077]

…or one suitable fire blanket and some patience

[@coolranch1660]

@@markthomasson5077 lol

[@kaya051285]

EVs get too much attention The interconnector to Norway which was built last year that alone has/will reduce UK carbon emissions by ~ 3.7 million tons this year Thats equal to taking ~2.6 million cars off the road Cost us nothing Not controversial Helps reduce prices Will likely last 100 years (while almost all the EVs sold today will be in the bin within 15 years) EVs get too much attention

[@williammeek4078]

EVs are the single largest part of the solution to climate change. That is why the attention.

[@user-yq2wk6yg8s]

@@williammeek4078 Indeed, they seem to think just tweaking this one aspect is going to solve the whole problem.

[@LeightonW]

You missed the point that EV's often burn spontaneously at night in the garage and threaten the house, while ICE's rarely do.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Around 10'000 ICE cars catch fire in Britain each year, and around 190'000 ICE cars caught fire during 2022 in the US. I had no idea such numbers indicated rare occurrences........ There have been fewer than 100 EV fires in total in Britain so far. Your problem is that you've swallowed all the hype you've read, and you actually *believe* it to be true.

[@LeightonW]

@@Brian-om2hh But how many of those fires spontaneously threatened a house and family?

[@ianmarr2557]

On a micro level it's not the EV that is the future, they are not a new idea. It's battery technology that is the future and at the moment it is lagging. A super light, quick charging, high capacity battery with little or no environmental impact. Good luck.

[@bittripper3530]

Sadly no such thing exists they are all flawed in one way or another

[@ianmarr2557]

@@bittripper3530 exactly mate. Plus Mallen made some very pertinent comments regarding the current grid infrastructure. Every town will require multiple huge capacity substations, just for EV charging.p

[@Brian-om2hh]

So, what's the alternative? You didn't say, so I'm asking........

[@ianmarr2557]

@@Brian-om2hh at the moment there is none. Unfortunately electric cars have been around for over 100 years and now motors, control systems and use of new materials has given us a great product, there can be no denying that. Especially in terms of performance. Unfortunately over 100 years of battery technology and innovation hasn't drastically improved at the same rate. Until we have an alternative then it's driving around and charging the biggest toxic firework in manufacturing history I'm afraid. Pius all the mobile phones, flashlights, ebikes, scooters, tablets, laptops....crazy when you really think about it?

[@Alfonsodag]

The insurance companies and legal liability industries will break the back of the electrical vehicle industry. Expect increasing bans on where electric vehicles may be used or parked.

[@Sp_75-76]

This is one of the most balanced uploads I have seen

[@twig3288]

It’s designed to appear that way by including some selectively chosen counter arguments and immediately debunking them. If you watch more carefully you can detect the bias.

[@Sp_75-76]

@@twig3288 Bias is still much better than out and out hostility - in either argument

[@MallenBaker]

@@twig3288 If you watch anything determined to see a thing, sure enough, you'll see that thing.

[@twig3288]

@@MallenBaker Watch back and see for yourself, consider each assertion and consider the possible counterpoints example when you refer to proponents of agw you describe them as “die hard environmentalists”whereas sceptics you describe as “climate change isn’t happening fantasists”. When do you think climate change started? When the Earth was formed or when Al Gore started trading carbon credits? Have you read James Delingpole’s book “Watermelons” or watched Patrick Moore’s 2015 Annual GWPF lecture _should we celebrate carbon dioxide_ Suggest you do a podcast with someone who could challenge your preconceptions in real time

[@turningpoint4238]

No it wasn't it confirmed your opinions.

[@mbengambenga-xi6dp]

"""e cost of a new Ford was reduced to just $290. This amount was less than three months wages for an average American worker. """ A car nowadays is 10 months of wages which are 8x then then, car industry is 80x less efficient now!!!!! . . . . . """1919, there were just 6.7 million cars on American roads. By 1929, there were more than 27 million cars--or nearly one car for every household in the United States."""". Rural especially wanted a car. The half who never had a horse DID want a car which is easy to maintain .. . EVs 2025-2035 will NOT become 100% of cars on roads so 1919-1929 won't be repeated, this back then was basically selling car to 10% of households a year. EVs are doing like 2% of household a year. Half of cars on road wont be EV till 2070?? . . . Sigh. We should give a free Ebike, and EV is too big to be real solution it's just changing evil product to another half evil product.. Yolo!!

[@user-yq2wk6yg8s]

No need for Ebikes. Real bikes are just fine, for the able-bodied who want to stay that way.

[@jokvalvaag]

The real news in this story is that Mallen Baker's team has eventually discovered the same all other news peddlers out there have discovered long ago: that negative news about the EV industry works better than tits and ass as click bate.

[@That-Guy_]

Don't forget to put a Tesla in the picture for more clicks

[@stevesmith3990]

Sorry Mallen I always appreciate your balanced and deep dive analysis into all the many issues you cover but I don't think that if even the whole of the western world adopted EV's it wouldn't make any difference to the weather. The effect on the our economies would be disastrous, is this really a price worth paying for a project that is no more than virtue signalling?

[@MallenBaker]

"even the whole of the western world" Why only the Western world? China is one of the leaders, and I already mentioned Thailand. "a project that is no more than virtue signalling" - this is your problem. If you believe the global imperative on climate change is just "virtue signalling", then obviously it wouldn't make sense. But equally, if that was all it was, no governments would be pushing this in the way that they are. There are much easier ways to 'virtue-signal' that don't run the risk of alienating your electorate. The point is that everyone but the commenters here agrees it is a major problem that has to be solved. This video doesn't even argue they're right - just that they are agreed, and are behaving accordingly. So the analysis is about whether they're doing so successfully (no) rather than whether they should be trying at all (not addressed in this video). In other words, this video is analysis. You seem to be seeking advocacy.

[@ironclaw6969]

@@MallenBaker Oh yes, they agree based on decades of failed predictions and worthless computer models that their own fraud "scientists" admit massively overestimate warming.

[@oliverpolden]

It would be nice to see micro EVs and other small personal transport being given more attention. We could convert a lot of two lane roads to a single full size car lane, a micro EV/motorbike lane and bicycle lane.

[@user-yq2wk6yg8s]

We have a new law in UK that says drivers must give 1.5 metres clearance when passing cyclists. I wonder if these lawmakers have ever actually driven or cycled on a two lane road. Especially one with cars parked head to tail along both sides.

[@SmileyEmoji42]

But that is hideously inefficient, especially in the early days. This is typical of so many ideas that sound good until you consider how we get to that utopia from where we are now

[@oliverpolden]

@@SmileyEmoji42 what are you saying is inefficient? In my opinion one person commuting in 2 tonnes of full size EV (or any full size car) is what is inefficient.

[@oliverpolden]

@@user-yq2wk6yg8syes we do need adequate spacing. There is Esher Road, Hersham that used to be two car lanes and a narrow cycle lane. They reduced the two car lanes to one and used a lot of paint to separate the cycle lane from traffic. On Google maps you can see the old layout and towards the east end you can see the new layout in street view. Yes we need to make sure there is adequate separation but I think there are a lot of cases where there would be.

[@user-yq2wk6yg8s]

@@oliverpolden BTW your idea, as far as I understand it, would necessitate the widening or proliferation of roads, as each two lane road would become one way. Or we'd need a hell of a lot more traffic lights.

[@jwickerszh]

EVs are the antithesis of human nature in the sense that they are long term investments, for example mine would be "free" as in $0 if I drive it about 250,000 km on fuel economy alone.

[@leecowell8165]

You're assuming that a KW cost as much in 10 years as it does now. THAT is NOT gonna happen. We've seen our KW costs here in FL DOUBLE in 5 years.

[@user-yq2wk6yg8s]

If there's only enough lithium to build the first set of EVs & windmills and we use the fossil fuel power to do that, with what power shall we fuel the mining and building of the second set? And how much lithium can be recycled? Not to mention all the other mining to produce the wires to take all the extra electricity.

[@mistahsusan2650]

none of the litium can be recycled. and the windturbines' components (such as the turbine blades) cannot be recycled and have to be buried in the ground separate from the general landfill.

[@utoob7361]

predatory pricing used to be illegal, but elon gets away with anything

[@philjameson292]

The EV charging infrastructure is something that still hasn't been addressed Compare a Tesla charging station with your average petrol station. A large Tesla charging station may contain 8 to 10 superchargers of 150kW or 250kW, so a total capacity of 1.5MW to 2.5MW A typical petrol station contains about 10 to 12 pumps. Each pump can deliver 40L in about 1 min. The equates to a "charging" rate for an average ICE of about 23MW. With 10 pumps this equates to 230MW "charging capacity" So 1 petrol station equates to about 10 Tesla stations in terms of charging capacity There are about 8000 petrol stations in the UK.

[@amazingbollweevil]

You can't fill up your petrol-powered car in your garage though, can you?

[@TB-up4xi]

The main difference is every ICE car needs to fill up every time at a petrol station, for people like me 99% of my charging is done at home I don't really need to go to a Supercharger often The real issues arise for the circa 40% of the population (of car owners - there are a substantial number of people who live in flats and low cost housing that don't have any car) that don't have access to consistent, reliable home charging options. It could also be argued that there are millions of refuelling points for EVs in the UK - every power point in every home is a potential refuelling station. Adding 60L of diesel used to take me around 4-5min in cycle time (fill/pay), so Each pump cycles through 12-15 cars per hour or so. Charging my EV is a different mindset - I only fill to to as much as I need to continue my journey or to get home this takes around 15-20min at a supercharger - so each supercharger does 3-4 cars per hour, it takes zero time to pay, realistically each pump can service 3-4 times as many cars per pump.

[@robertcharles7085]

​@TB-up4xi wow so your neighborhood put in the electric grid to support twice as many homes as they ever intended to build. That's good because the draw of 1 EV is the equivalent of the draw of 1 house. The lines the transformers are not put in at double expense they are put in to support the normal amount of homes. I simply can't wait till everyone in a 50 square mile radius of you has a EV and plugs them in. Maybe on a hot night when everyone has the AC blasting. You live in a dream world. Let's hope it doesn't become a nightmare. 🙈🙈🙈💁‍♂️💁‍♂️💁‍♂️😜😜😜🐒🐒🐒😎😎😎

[@Ryan-ff2db]

The UK appears to be behind most other countries in this regard but as the others have stated, the average EV owner charges at home over 90 percent of the time. Mine shows 94 percent home charging right now. For those who don't have access to charging at home or work it gets a bit trickier and should be part of the equation for whether an EV is right for them or not. The charging infrastructure does keep improving as do speeds, though. The days of 45 to 60 minute charge sessions are long gone. Here in the US we have mega charging stations with well over 100 stalls that rival truck stops. UK will too but many of the infrastructure projects are so backed up by bureaucratic red tape it's causing severe delays in charger roll-outs. Several companies have already abandoned the UK market because of this.

[@Sp_75-76]

All petrol / diesel cars have to charge whilst they are out on the road. A vast number of EV’s are charged at home and never go near a public chargers

[@goansunborn]

As someone who lives in Norway i must firstly say that electricity is not cheap here in the south of Norway since it is being exported out to other countries and we have seen ridiculous prices here as in many other countries. I do see the benefits of having less cars in general in city centres but as you said, what they have done in Norway is to largely incentivise people buying new EV cars and the incentives only really benefit people who are wealthy and likely own more than one car. My personal feeling is that this is a greenwashing scheme here in Norway to make it 'look like' they are doing thier best for the environment. If Norway really cared about the environment it would scale back it's oil and gas industry and we would all incentivise using second hand cars instead of buying these new EV's.

[@leecowell8165]

That's very interesting. Here in Florida we're now paying close to 20 cents USD/kw including all our taxes. Electricity is getting VERY expensive worldwide due to the 8B that now live on this rock. That amount of people is placing a tremendous load on EVERYTHING. Solar and wind does NOT resolve much because those things cost big bucks to produce along with environmental impact. Those things don't "live" forever either (just like EV batteries).

[@goansunborn]

It's a win win here in Norway money wise. The energy companies and government make billions exporting gas and oil to the rest of the world and at the same time they greenwash thier own country with this 'green imagine' making record profits from electricity. I personally don't see the benefit from this rush to EV's other than groups of people making record profits across multiple industries.@@leecowell8165

[@jimgraham6722]

We have two EVs in our family. They both replaced clapped out ICEV and we had been saving for their replacement for about ten years. We chose EVs over ICE simply because they were cheaper than the competing ICE vehicles we were considering. As it turns out they have been no problem at all. They both drive very well, quiet and comfortable. A bonus is fuel costs are effectively zero (we charge ours from the household solar system). Maintenance is 'on condition' and so far has been $0. So far its been a good deal. Helping save the planet is the icing on the cake. Personally, I am not worried about fires. Around where I live there are lots of EVs and quite a few vehicle fires, but so far, no EV vehicle fires. Provided the vehicles are properly maintained and periodically inspected i doubt it will be a problem. As for change, I am old, as a child I went to school in a horse and cart, the house was lit by wonderful kerosene 'Alladin' lamps, kero also powered the fridge after we got rid of the ice box. Then electricity turned up and in the early fifties we got a car, a former US Army staff car. You could still see the star insignia on the doors. Change - well it just happens. Its not a big deal.

[@allosaurusfragilis7782]

Been watching a few videos on this subject and this one struck me as very thoughful and balanced......whats the word...mature? Well done, thats a rarity, these days.

[@johncooper4637]

The US is more like Australia there are many miles between towns in the interior. After all, Wyoming has only 700,000 people in the whole state. When looking at making a trip in the Midwest I found towns that did not have gas stations much less charging stations. One of the places I was planning on seeing was some 300 miles between gas stations. The same holds true for a lot of the western US. I was in Alpine, TX and the closest charging station was 60 miles away and the ranch I visited only had 120 volt power in the interior of its 140,000 acres. California cannot keep its chargers working and they are the ones pushing this stuff.

[@gregb7353]

Gas stations are expensive infrastructure. They are just ubiquitous as they are because we've been building them for 100 years. A small simple gas station is $2.5M to build and ~$2m/year to run. You get about 5% margins on running one if you can do it well. A charger is $50k to $250k per unit to build. You need no labor to run it so ongoing costs are very low. Not saying chargers make a lot of money though, that is the problem currently. The power companies have power rates that make putting chargers in some locations prohibitive. That should slowly change over the next decade but probably not everywhere.

[@kellingtonlink956]

Exceptionally well thought out. Thanks for sharing your thoughts (and the video!).

[@stephenluke2347]

" Intended future" - NOT ALL ICE vehicle owners buy new each year or buy on contract, and very many expect them to be STILL IN USE FOR MANY MORE YEARS. And the threat of many more MONEY GRABBING ULEZ's ARE NOT HELPING, Except to re-enforce the plan of restricting personal transport to those that can again.