Electric Cars & The Inevitable ICE Free Future With Quentin Willson | The Fully Charged Show Podcast

[@northyorkshirechris5735]

I know that there was a bit of back-patting during the video, but I think both Robert and Quentin have made such a huge and positive contribution to the transition to electric and to help improve our environment. I hope that one day this will be acknowledged by those in power. I’ve been watching Fully Charged for some time now and finally bought an EV in early May. I am very pleased to have ‘ditched the diesel’ and have a clean, smooth and quiet EV sat at home. My parents have also followed suit, love their new EV and aren’t looking back. Colleagues are also now talking to me and expressing an interest. A huge hill to climb, but we’ll get there. Keep up the great work.

[@northyorkshirechris5735]

@Revolutionneeded1 I would suggest that you Google ‘National Grid Live’. As I write this, the UK grid is currently powered by 58.9% renewables, 20.9% Other sources (nuclear/biomass), 19.2% interconnectors (importing from such as Norway’s hydro) and 6.4% fossil fuels. Additionally, some EV owners also have solar panels along with battery back-up - combined with such as a Hypervolt or Zappi home charger, means that they’re fuelling their EV’s at nil cost from the sun. This is steadily improving to the point where some days, the UK National Grid is seeing ever-more days where it’s not powered by fossil fuels at all and this will eventually fall to zero in future. So yes, it does help to have zero emission cars as part of the jigsaw.

[@northyorkshirechris5735]

@Revolutionneeded1 If you care to Google ‘National Grid Live’ you’ll see your answer there. As I write this 58.3% of our electricity is coming from renewables, 20.5% comes from ‘other sources’ (biomass and nuclear), 20.3% from international interconnectors (eg hydro electric from Norway) and 6.2% from fossil fuels (oil and gas). Som e EV owners also have their own solar panels and a home charger capable of routing that electric from the sun to their car (ie powering their car at nil cost). The Grid has also sees a growing number of days which are fossil fuel free. So, yes, EV’s do help as part of the overall jigsaw.

[@northyorkshirechris5735]

@Revolutionneeded1 If you care to search for ‘National Grid Live’ you’ll see your answer there. As I write this 58.3% of our electricity is coming from renewables, 20.5% comes from ‘other sources’ (biomass and nuclear), 20.3% from international interconnectors (eg hydro electric from Norway) and 6.2% from fossil fuels (oil and gas). Som e EV owners also have their own solar panels and a home charger capable of routing that electric from the sun to their car (ie powering their car at nil cost). The Grid has also sees a growing number of days which are fossil fuel free. So, yes, EV’s do help as part of the overall jigsaw.

[@freddydad1]

All they've done is talk about it, musk and tesla have done the actual hard work, without tesla there would be no industry.

[@northyorkshirechris5735]

@@freddydad1 It would be fair to say that Tesla has acted as a ‘disruptor’ from an industrial perspective, however, the roles played by Quentin and Robert shouldn’t be under-estimated. Quentin has been very busy trumpeting the case for EVs and supporting it from a UK consumer’s perspective. As he mentioned, he has attended committees in Parliament, been supporting the case with the IAM and set up Fair Charge to support consumer rights. Robert was a co-founder of Fully Charged and has promoted the case for EVs and renewable energy and through him we have a champion that has taken the case for EVs and renewables through the Fully Charged Shows to both the UK and overseas (Europe, Canada and Australia). These things simply don’t happen and Musk/Tesla cannot take the credit for that, but he can insofar as making the technology compelling and viable.

[@MichaelKing-bv4tv]

Great podcast! And the Little Book of EV Myths is an excellent idea - not only for being able to quickly shut down ignorant arguments, but also to reassure anyone who is considering buying an EV for the first time. Just sent the link to my dad who is in this position.

[@Stephen-Jones]

Wish I'd know about it when I went there on the Saturday, would've been handy to get

[@RB-lt8kt]

As long as he doesn't do lots of miles and keeps the car for 8 years to off set the carbon used to make it. It will also be worthless after 8 years. Ignorant NO as I had an ev and it lost a fortune in 2 years.

[@Stephen-Jones]

@@RB-lt8kt worthless after 8 years? What car did you buy because I think the second hand market disagrees that the cars are worthless...

[@MichaelKing-bv4tv]

@@RB-lt8kt also he's buying second hand so will avoid the most severe immediate depreciation. And living in Scotland with low electricity emission factors, his offsetting period will be significantly faster than 8 years driving similar distances.

[@RB-lt8kt]

@@MichaelKing-bv4tv But the ev will be worthless as no dealership wants them and who wants a car out of warranty with half or more of its battery warranty gone ? I fell for the sales pitch and higher fuel costs in 2022 but woke up in a nightmare with values crashing. EV's can, mainly only be fixed by main dealers and insurance and extended warranties are high due to repair costs. All batteries age and as stated in many scientific papers Lithium Ion batteries drop 20% capacity after 500 to 2000 cycles which for a 200 mile ev is 60 less range in summer.

[@rodden1953]

I really enjoyed this i wish it was longer and on a Sunday morning much better than Mondays . Brilliant episode.

[@jonathanclutton2813]

Couldn't agree with Quentin more. Bought a 2020 eNiro last year, charge mostly at home on Octopus cheap night rate, superb vehicle and the whole EV experience has starkly illustrated how much better they are than ICE. I certainly won't be going back.

[@Horus070]

I have a Niro EV since 2020 … no issues. Recently took to Nissan from a check up. The only thing they did was rotate the tires, that was about it.

[@trevorberridge6079]

I hired an eNiro and it was touching on 300 miles on a charge. Drove beautifully. Very practical. The Active Cruise Control and Lane Keeping functions between them worked like FSD on major roads. Drove to Nottingham from London and didn't have to even think about charging. Still had to stop three times on the way for various reasons, but range wasn't one of them.

[@RB-lt8kt]

I sold my ev because the value was dropping quicker than an Essex girls knickers. Your Kia will loose range with aging and charging. The battery warranty states 8 years and 70% capacity so you could loose 70 miles of range and Kia will not change the battery. What if you loose 31% or more after 8 years will you pay £15,000 for a new battery ? You also have to go to the main dealer who charges over £100 per hour because no no other garage will touch it. Electric cars are a win win for manufacturers. I hope you don't loose all your money because several dealerships didn't want my 2022 ev.

[@jonathanclutton2813]

@RB-lt8kt Oh dear. The lame old story about battery degradation again. Comprehensively debunked by actual statistics and drivers who've covered half a million km and still have over 90 percent of original range with minimal service requirements. No ICE gets anywhere near.

[@RB-lt8kt]

@@jonathanclutton2813 How old are the ev's that have done that mileage because there are you tubers with Tesla's that have needed new batteries. There are no batteries that last forever. Electric car sales will be the next diesel gate. There will be thousands of unwanted used ev's, oh there already are on Autotrader. I bet you drive a leased badly built Tesla that was made in China and delivered on an oil burning ship.

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

ICE are impressive pieces of complex engineering. As an engineer (not mechanical), I have no problem admiring clever engineering. However as a pragmatic realist; I can, under no circumstances see ICE as viable option for the default mode to power a vehicle.

[@SteveLomas-k6k]

That's the problem for EV-only makers. Most auto makers are pivoting away from EVs and towards more IC because they CAN. Producing a competitive modern engine isn't like wiring up some batteries to a motor. EV makers who couldn't make this transition went bust >100 years ago- history repeating itself.

[@philiptaylor7902]

Thank you Robert and Quentin for everything you do.

[@philiptaylor7902]

@Revolutionneeded1 Which would be? And please don’t insult our intelligence by repeating any FUD.

[@RB-lt8kt]

Yes to prove ev's haven't evolved enough yet.

[@t1n4444]

​@@RB-lt8kt Nothing wrong with the EV concept ... just the way the electricity is stored on the vehicle. Battery or hydrogen gas cartridge/bottle. Battery might well self ignite and hydrogen gas would rise into atmosphere. Granted if hydrogen had time to mix with air then could be "tricky". There again how many hydrogen fuel cell EVs have exploded?

[@t1n4444]

@@oddjobsandrandomprojects No. You made that up. Nobody has confirmed your assertion. Clearly you are some sort of day dreamer and you live in a hydrogen free bubble. There are millions of hydrogen powered things which don't exist in your imagination which have never exploded causing multiple casualties. Try and explain your way out of that scenario.

[@t1n4444]

@@oddjobsandrandomprojects 😂😂😂😂 But you attempt to gloss over the fact battery EV sales are declining in UK. I sense how desperate you must be to keep on arguing in favour of battery EVs. However very few people buy battery EVs. Had you widened your view to include hybrids then you'd still be incorrect. Just the way the public feel about EVs in general. Suggest you stop wasting your time in pointless endeavour and now concentrate on ICE technology reference burning hydrogen. To repeat, battery EVs are electrical dead end. Your research tells you this but you're still in denial. Even Robert, the peoples' patron saint of battery EVs, is now acknowledging the upcoming new age of hydrogen as a fuel. I predict Robert will have a hydrogen fuel cell car on test before long. Most likely on the grounds he won't be able to find a new battery EV anywhere in UK. You know this is going to happen.

[@michaelgoode9555]

Did anybody else follow Jonathan Porterfiend drive his eNiro from Abingdon in southern Scotland to Scrabster ferry teminal, over 300 miles north of Abingdon by road on one charge? He was on his way home after attending Fully Charged North. It was impressive because he just drove it without trying to hypermile or anything else.

[@judebrown4103]

A great way to start a Sunday morning. Thank you gentlemen for all you do. 👍💚

[@samjohnston4945]

Thank you Robert, Quentin. On the theme of sharing experience with EVs: we swapped our Oz overnight electric tariff to one that costs $0.08/kWh. Our EV gets 8km/kWh. That makes our driving cost one cent per kilometer. We've had our EV for 3 years. So far maintenance has been the cost of an air filter (can't find the receipt, but was less than $50).

[@waynelevett3632]

Thanks guys for all your help getting us here today. I'm loving it.

[@singlesprocket]

Thank you Robert and Quentin for all you do 👍🏼

[@foppo101]

Thanks Robert.

[@davidcottrell570]

Saw a sign outside a pub today: “this is the only planet we have - it’s also the only one with beer!”. Worth thinking about…

[@RB-lt8kt]

Yep and an ev needs to do 80,000 miles or be 8 years old to offset the carbon emissions used to make it. Then the ev is worthless.

[@davidcottrell570]

@@RB-lt8kt Sorry but you’re mistaken. Add in the cost of refining, which is a constant throughout the lives of your ICE cars. Stop spreading oil industry BS. Do you like crazy weather? We were evacuating towns in Northern Canada in early May due to forest fires. Snow is forecast from the central UK to Scotland next week. Maybe try an EV and get a clue about what you’re talking about instead of mouthing other people’s tropes. And enjoy your beer while you can.

[@RB-lt8kt]

@@davidcottrell570 Driving an electric car will NOT stop global warming if everyone switched today LMAO. Ask yourself this, what are the biggest causes of global warming ? There are lots but air travel is one with the average passenger putting 1 tonne per flight of co2 in the atmosphere. Do you fly on holiday because I don't ? How are most ev's delivered to Europe ? By sea in oil or diesel burning ships. Where are tv's, mobile phones and most other electrical good made ? China who burn coal for energy like Australia and USA plus Canada. My house uses solar 70% of the year. Yes ice cars pollute but an ev is guaranteed to last 8 years (battery car 3 years) and takes 4 to 6 years to pay its carbon emissions from manufacturing back. The battery will have lost 20% capacity or 40 miles of range (summer range). I can take my ice car to loads of garages or fix it myself can you do that with an EV ? NO.Get your facts right before mouthing off about what people who have owned an ev have experienced.

[@davidcottrell570]

@@RB-lt8kt The numbers about global warming and the contribution of passenger cars are out there, as is the fact that cities in Norway, which only have 30% EVs, while 91% of new cars purchased are EV show a 15% improvement in greenhouse gas reduction. No, I don't fly anywhere either, and the electricity where I live is hydroelectric. Your information about power generation is also out of date, with huge increases in solar in both Australia and China, as well as the USA. If you follow actually followed Fully Charged and aren't simply here for the 'fishing', you would know this. Sure, cars are shipped across oceans but the fact is that just like manufacture, these are one-time carbon costs. The oil industry makes it sound very compelling, but drilling, refining, distribution and transportation is a hugely carbon and energy intensive industry, as in about 25% of all emissions. Did you read the publication from the UN President? it isn't good, is it? But what does he know? Now as to talking about EV owners, there's one big difference, we've all owned ICE cars at some point, and now we own EVs . We have a VW in the family still. Three tanks of petrol and we've spent as much as I do in a year charging the EV, which we use most of the time. It isn't just about virtue signalling or saving the planet. It's about economics. And as for repairs, what repairs? And where are you getting the numbers on battery degredation? Let me guess, from other folks who 'know' these things. The battery (and drivetrain on my car) warranty is 8 years/160K km. I'm seeing zero degradation in two years - in fact, the overall range has been tweaked by software updates. There's 23 million EVs out there, so there's a pretty decent body of knowledge. You want to call that out because you know better? On a channel about everything electric? Good luck with that...

[@davidcottrell570]

@@RB-lt8kt Hope you have a shovel to pick your rear parts up then. Maybe check on reports from Norway about the improvement in air quality in cities there. The figure 15% was mentioned, and although 91% of all new car purchases are electric there, 70% of private cars still have ICE motors. Yes, air travel is an issue, but I don’t fly either. Passenger cars are delivered across oceans, but they do it once. Drilling, refining, and distribution are hugely carbon intensive, so with tailpipe emissions, oil is the single biggest polluter in the world, hence the president of the United Nations talking about it. Oil companies want to continue selling fuel, and will say all kind of things to try to convince you. You know, I really did see the sign about beer outside a pub, and from what I hear, hop production is suffering due to climate change. That makes me sad as I enjoy a cold one from time to time. Now here you are, trying to shoot down people who own EVs on a site dedicated to all things electric. Well almost all of us have had or still own ICE vehicles, so we have a bit of experience. There are 23 million EVs on the road, so there’s enough data points out there to call BS, OK? We still have a VW camper - three tanks and it costs as much as my EV to run in a year, which gets used most of the time. Repairs? What repairs? Degraded battery? Nope, better than new thanks to software updates and in any case, there’s an eight year battery and powertrain warranty. Now, instead of tilting at windmills, why not just try one? Even if you aren’t convinced, it might put a few things in perspective.

[@Hookeslaw]

The SOH certificate would be great and should be checked and recorded at every MOT. The misconception that battery degradation is a linear function is another problem. In most instances the rate of degradation reduces over time so it would helpfull to see the curve at time of purchase.

[@Nikoo033]

Anyone with access to a few past driving data (miles and efficiency) and/or recent charging data can calculate the actual remaining capacity of an EV. The SOH is almost always 100% and is not that informative. The certificate should provide actual remaining capacity data.

[@chrismarshall25]

I disagree with a battery SoH at the MOT. This has nothing to do with vehicle safety.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Every new streetlamp with the ability to provide a very slow charge would be a start.

[@alexfunk2047]

Yes. They would have a socket only, to prevent vandals from stealing the cord. You would have to bring your own cord.

[@grahamthompson5581]

They're fitting chargers to old streetlamps where I live, only one or two per street so far.

[@t1n4444]

Until a dog wees up the pole. Salty urine shorts out entire postcode and you've got a dead dog to dispose of. Really?

[@thamesmud]

Has it not occured to you that cables are sized according the anticipated load? Lamp post chargers only make sense when the lamp is off and you will get less than 1kw from an old fashioned sodium discharge system and only a quarter of that from a modern efficient LED system. 250W is only going to give you 2KWH in 8 hours of charging.

[@grahamthompson5581]

@@thamesmud Don't tell me, tell all the EV drivers who keep coming back to use it.

[@Jaw0lf]

The Everything Electrric show North was amazing and so much information. Love the updated Little Book of EV Myths.

[@stedavid13]

Canadian here - do take credit Robert because you have done a lot for the EV community. I still remember watching Carpool back when a Plug-In Prius was the bees-knees. Look at how far we've come! :D

[@georgepelton5645]

Back when the only plug-in Prius available was aftermarket conversions from HyMotion and the like.

[@michaelgoode9555]

We're off on our longest trip to date tomorrow since owning our ID.3. I thought that I'd better check the car. Lifted the bonnet and checked that the washer fluid is topped up and eyeballed the levels on the brake fluid and traction battery coolant whilst I was there. All good - 30 seconds max. I then checked the tyres pressures. All good. Being conscientious I gave the lights a wipe down, cleaned the rear window and checked the wiper rubbers. All good. Ten minutes maximum and the car is ready for a 600 mile adventure to the north of Scotland followed by some island hopping for a couple of weeks before a return trip of 600 miles. I expect that we will cover about 1,800 miles all in. 👍

[@Orange_Manbaby]

I did a trip to Skye and to Switzerland in my ID3 3 years ago. No problems at all.

[@drttgb4955]

by 2040, you're going to need a very very long hose to fill your ICE gas tank.

[@colinwiseman]

Or a good pair of hiking boots. Would be good to go back to the old system of buying gasoline/petrol at the chemist :D

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@colinwiseman Synthetic petrol will be available, just as it has been for decades already in the UK. The problem is the cost, with Aspen synthetic petrol already costing around £25 per gallon......

[@DrWho-to6oi]

Anyone who is trying to discourage people from buying an EV has scant regard to his/her and other people's health. Millions of people die prematurely every year due to air pollution by ICE cars and trucks.

[@t1n4444]

But not in UK. A sense of proportion would be useful.

[@jasonhutcheon5991]

@@t1n4444 The estimated figures for Australia are 11000 premature deaths a year, and we aren't as closely populated as the UK.

[@rogerphelps9939]

@@t1n4444 But they do. That is what the ULEZs in many major cities are all about. Unfortunately this does nothing to tackle CO2 emissions and they will most definitely be making our grandchildren's lives a misery.

[@iareid8255]

Jason, epidemiology is not a precises science., it can't be. Premature death, what does that mean 2 minutes, 2 hours, 2 days, 2 weeks, 2months, 2 years? The 2.5 particle story has been thoroughly disproved used as the reason for premature deaths.

[@t1n4444]

@@iareid8255 Quite so. It's almost as if statistics are being used to conjure up this "premature deaths" thing. Surely not?

[@Storm3451]

great show ... we need a Quentin Willson here in Germany as well

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

20million vehicles in Australia and most are parked 23hrs every day. EV big battery 100kwh vs a home battery of 10kWh. One is 'free' with the vehicle and one is $14,000. 😮😮😮😊😊😊

[@LowreyContractorsUK]

Hardly free is it ?

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

@@LowreyContractorsUK well, if you only use it for one hour of daily driving, but think about a house battery for night use of your roof top electricity. And without spending a penny the EV battery is used, then maybe you might say you have a house battery for free. Keep your grid connection as back up. Happy days. 😊

[@rogerphelps9939]

@@LowreyContractorsUK The point is that the cost per kwh for a car and battery together is far less than that of something like a Tesla Powerwall. The usual excuse for such a discrepancy is that the home battery must operate under specially tough conditions. In reality an EV battery must meet far more stringent requirements than a home battery. The conclusion is that, with battery prices now below $50 per kwh, someone is ripping you off.

[@timscott3027]

Good on you Quentin for fighting for the tax cut, keep up the good work, as home owner with no driveway i would love to see this fair reduction.

[@salibaba]

I could listen to Quentin all day, he is so articulate. I'm within the circle who want a "new" 2nd hand EV. I've had my Leaf from brand new but want something a little newer and fancier now that there are so many to choose from now. (Polestar) The only problem is If I do change, I won't end up in 6yrs with a 10yr old Leaf shouting "HA! the battery is FINE!"

[@daveh6356]

I see the combustion engine, not as the pinnacle of engineering but as a contraption. Supermarkets & public car parks are the new fuel stations.

[@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834]

@daveh6356 So very right, why oh why are we so wedded to reciprocating piston engine that has to be transformed through a gearbox, and differential to the wheels, while an electric motor is direct drive, controlled by an inverter. We need to get over it....

[@solentbum]

For me the main fuel station is my driveway, with public car parks coming second.

[@daveh6356]

@@solentbum agreed, I was referring to other locations but yes, doubters keep trying shoehorn EVs into ICE conventions so good call.

[@daveh6356]

@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 too right. Short answer - because we're told to. I see an ICE as a heater which develops some torque.

[@Sparky783]

Thank you, great chat.

[@mikeselectricstuff]

Why does he keep mentioning MOTs? EVs are no different ( though would be nice if theer was a discount for no emissions tests)

[@urbanstrencan]

Another great episode, was awesome on Fully Charged London, hopefully see you next year in Europe 😍🤩

[@stevewest131]

Great video as always Gents. Keep fighting the good fight!

[@frejaresund3770]

I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.

[@belahatvany]

Thanks for spreading the message!

[@solentbum]

@Revolutionneeded1 Maybe a message based on truth? Go read the 'Little Book'.

[@Popdog76]

@Revolutionneeded1 and ICE needs no mined minerals? Guess you forgot the refining process of oil to petrol or diesel. Bet you didn't care before. Difference is those are all burned away, where EV batteries can be recycled or repurposed as they are worth so much.

[@t1n4444]

@@Popdog76 Yes, but, are we seeing that many lithium batteries bring recycled to component elements? We do hear of lithium ion battery packs being "recycled" into power walls situated in lofts, garages and outhouses. However because of the real threat of said batteries self igniting then, in UK, we saw the introduction of BS63100 at the end of March '24. Currently this is advisory and HMG is using this as a heads up to sparkies to evolve a new "way of working". If arsed search YT for sparkie platforms dealing with this topic. A lot of sparkies appeared to be concerned at first yet the defacto British Standard when introduced is likely to be a bonanza for all the retro engineering required. It might be a license to print money. Whether people bother to have their system re- engineered is as yet unknowable. It may be HMG ramps up its policy of building area storage battery farms, wherever the locals don't object too much that is.

[@johnharcombe9412]

Keep up the good work Robert

[@davidstuart4915]

Legend :)

[@robertstout7756]

Good point about secondhand EV’s. In the US, there’s a $4000 upfront rebate from the federal government and many states have $2000 or even more tax incentive. We just bought a 2018 model three long range in excellent condition for $13,500.

[@jamesgilbart2672]

Excellent - wholly agree with Quentin. Just one point, EVs do need an MOT certificate after 3 years. My EV is 3 years old and I was just charged £54.85 for an MOT inspection - it passed but it's annoying because some of the current test is not applicable - emissions etc. but the price is the same!

[@noahderrington5156]

I have been looking forward to being able to get an EV for years since I was lucky enough to have a ride in an original Tesla Roadster almost 16 years ago. I finally got an MG4 and after the first few months of driving it, it’s so brilliant. Great fun to drive, no problems charging on long distance road trips, plenty of range, quiet and comfortable for an affordable price. Can’t recommend it enough!

[@RWBHere]

After more than 3 years of driving a Zoe, I've found that I drive it more efficiently now than when it was new. I was really pleased to attain to 5.3 miles per kWh in Summer 2021. But in Summer 2023 I saw 5.8 miles per kWh, and that figure is being seen again this year. That improvement in driving style more than offsets any degradation in battery range for our car.

[@Pete-rf6zz]

I shared the book of myths to get the word out. So useful. I hired a car on hols a manual petrol car and it was a terrible experience, lack of power and stressful city driving and cost over £100 to fuel it.. when I came back home to drive my EV it reminded me how much better they are in terms of performance and smooth driving.. and just a few pounds to charge it overnight. On holiday as well the petrol fumes were so bad compared to the UK with smog of we can do better then we should in the UK. Also, clear signs should be on UK roads where chargers are rather than relying on Apps.. please !

[@treehugger3971]

In Canada on the prairies where the temperature can drop to -40C every parking spot has an ordinary outlet where you can plug in your block heater

[@thomasreilly6362]

We still have some of them in Finland but EV charging points are replacing them. Having the infrastructure makes it very easy obviously and that's the point.

[@MrAdopado]

It just proves that if there's a need for wiring car parks we can do it, and have been capable of doing it for decades! You would think we were asking for the technology of a Mars landing!

[@krisself2360]

I've still got an iMiev (well, a Peugeot Ion - same thing). The heater does indeed half the range... But I still love it! It's a perfect city car - small, simple, dirt-cheap to run!

[@scottcompany4040]

I will carry the Little Book of EV Myths at all times. I'm surrounded by Land Rover Defender driving petrol heads who tell me EVs don't work

[@actuallypaulstanley]

LR Defender drivers are not ‘petrol heads’.

[@shirleysavoury5638]

Maybe try showing them this episode from The Fully Charged KZbin. Search for this... This Is the Electric Defender Land Rover SHOULD Have Built

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

It's amazing how much these non-EV drivers know about EVs. I'm sure they can explain why they 'don't work' in great detail without having any experience of driving or owning one. 🤣🤣

[@markbennett6658]

⁠@@actuallypaulstanleywhat are they then ‘diesel dykes’?😂

[@richardcorns8553]

A Land Rover owner telling you EVs don't work. That's ironic.

[@fyank1]

I went fully electric in 2013 and how things have come on in such a short space of time is incredible. Would never go back to a fossil burner. Couldn’t afford to run one!

[@matthewgodwin3050]

What about depreciation? The price cuts on new EVs has slashed the value of used EVs, and a lot of dealerships won't take them in part exchange.

[@MrRoddersf1]

Fantastic talk. Thanks guys

[@ToumalRakesh]

Big respect for being able to change your mind about EVs.

[@philipbroggio9315]

2020 Zoe. 4 years in and SOH at service is 98.8% . The battery seems ok to me 👍

[@-jonesy]

4 years into my ev and I wouldnt want to back to an ICE car why? power - there when I need it Cost - I mostly use home charging (cheap charging overnight) - 10 % whem compared with ICE Public chargers - plan a break whilst charging and you don't notice the time. lack of charging - its getting better so plan your trip well (I'm retired so avoid busy periods). It all good😍

[@georgepelton5645]

@Revolutionneeded1 I plan to keep my 6 year old EV for another 6 years. It is doing the job nicely, and still is wonderful to drive. Low prices for used EVs are a great opportunity for buyers though.

[@truhartwood3170]

My son's 2015 Leaf with 160,000km still has 87% of its original capacity as checked a couple months ago. And that's with no thermal management for the pack at all and a basic, outdated BMS. He uses it as his daily driver for work, but doesn't need to go far, so only charges every two to three days from a regular 120V outlet. He's only used a fast charger a few times. He got it a few years ago and the only money he's spent on it is winter tires. He paid $11k USD (were not in the US, just did the conversion) and, doing the math, with all the money saved on gas and maintenance he figured he'd be better off getting that than a free gas car after 7 years, and that's if the gas car needs nothing but routine matinenance in all that time.

[@johnbow100]

Very interesting podcast! I love the idea of a state of battery certificate which will take the anxiety and guesswork out of buying a second hand vehicle. The other thing we need is some sort of regulation to standardise charging prices as some chargers are a massive rip off at the moment!

[@pete_dl1585]

good job guys👍

[@highlanderapparel]

Thank you, gang for the presentation the Highlander😊😊

[@nicafy]

Given the annual service costs of an EV (or lack of them) do you think that dealer franchises will also resist EV’s as long as they can as presumably their profit margins are highly bolstered by servicing ICE cars, given the margin on car sales is low?

[@jeffg9706]

Great podcast forum 👍

[@Dave-mv3xy]

we need a market for pulling out the engine and replacing it with a battery and motor. Its hugely inefficient to recycle a perfectly good car. Plus we'd be able to keep some really good cars on the road

[@flashsushi1843]

Other than Teslas, most BEVs can't even get OEM replacement batteries at reasonable enough costs. $20,000 USD for X5 PHEV. Hoping module replacements will be the norm down the road because whole pack replacements often cost too much.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

​@Revolutionneeded1They have done. It's called LiFePO4.

[@garysmith5025]

@Revolutionneeded1 It's already been done, sorted by the battery manufacturers, and now the oil companies benefit from ethically sourced cobalt to help produce petrol and diesel

[@MrAdopado]

@Revolutionneeded1 Ha ha ... you didn't even watch the video ...

[@garysmith5025]

@Revolutionneeded1 Can you point us in the direction of this video? I assume from your stance you only use powered transport, private or public, that has LFP batteries and doesn't burn any petrol or diesel? You must also have a moral horse high enough to insist that everything you purchase is delivered by similarly non-cobalt dependant vehicles?

[@MrAdopado]

I think when extolling the very real virtues of the modern battery EV there's a danger of going just half a step too far. I promote the EV experience as a hugely positive step for daily driving and to support the energy transition but we do need to keep it real otherwise someone will pick us up for (inadvertently) misrepresenting the whole picture. E.g. There were a couple of comments about MOTs... as if EVs don't need them ... in fact they get the same checks at the same time intervals as every other car and the only difference is that there is no need for the emissions element of the MOT. Anyone who drives an EV on regularly salted roads will know that the good aspect of low brake wear on EVs (because of regenerative braking) must be balanced against the potential for increased surface corrosion of discs due to low usage so regular brake servicing is recommended otherwise you can have partially seized brake pads in the caliper ... ask me how I know! And oil ... well EVs do (of course) have oil for motors and final drive and differential and to assist with cooling ... my Tesla has a standard spin-on oil filter and an oil pump, and though it's a rare occurrence, I had an oil leak (fixed under warranty)! Of course in normal circumstances there is no requirement to regularly change oil and filters so it does not normally feature in any servicing requirement. EVs have very much fewer mechanical parts in the drive train but that is not to say that they don't have many other components that ICE cars don't have that can, if you're unlucky, be points of failure. [Would I "go back to ICE" ... no!]

[@theunknownunknowns256]

We need a Quentin Wilson in Aotearoa... stat!

[@mrmitch5054]

Where?

[@danielmadar9938]

Thanks

[@johndoyle4723]

Thank you both, excellent discussion, and thank you both for pushing back at all the stupid "milk float, new battery after 10k miles etc" insults we put up with. Politically we are too small and considered a bit elite by Lab and Con, so not much hope on the VAT front , but thanks Quentin, keep lobbying.

[@georgepelton5645]

Ironic that the elite can charge at home. Quentin is lobbing for everyone to pay the same VAT, which does not affect the elite at all.

[@vaughanh2905]

Really excellent stuff guys. Well done. Wish I could have been there.

[@vaughanh2905]

@Revolutionneeded1 i think you may be slightly misled my friend. 😄

[@martinwinlow]

Well done chaps! Keep it up!

[@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834]

Here in South Australia we are paying 50c per kwh, rapid charger, of if your very lucky there might be space at our council offices for 7kw free [bring your own lead].

[@thomosburn8740]

Quentin Willson: You greatly understated the efficiency of Kia's EVs. I daily drive a gen-1 E-Niro and I get 340 miles on a single charge just driving in eco mode and using the regen-adjustment paddles behind the steering wheel to coast whenever possible, and squeeze the same paddles to stop the car, ignoring the brake pedal. This car is now 5 years old, with 73k miles on the clock.

[@kelalamusic9258]

“The voice of anti EV stuff for various reasons from main stream media.” That is one of the biggest problems to deal with. Which leads me to wonder, who controls/influences what is being said? Are oil companies behind it? I can only guess. Your channel is brilliant. It needs to go on regular TV . Then, perhaps, people will listen. Just a thought based on my own opinion. GO EVs 👍

[@simonyapp]

Please also cover the massive electrical energy demand from all of the refinery plants trying to make petrol and diesel

[@davidcottrell570]

@Revolutionneeded1What you’re talking about is products made once, vs fuel that is burned every time you fire up that vehicle. Oil is a valuable commodity, far too valuable to be burned to power your car, given its supply isn’t limitless. The amount of electricity used to fractionally distil so much oil for fuel is staggering. If we can manage the resource, we reduce pollution. The real battle here has nothing to do with you wanting to drive a vehicle powered by oil, but oil industry profits, which are also massively subsidized. If the subsidies went away, you could not afford to put fuel in your car. You might argue that EVs are subsidized too, but not remotely close to the extent the oil industry is. And as for power generation, utilities would be forced to push for more affordable ways of generating electricity that just happen to be less polluting. It sounds simplistic, but the current situation is unsustainable for us all. Electric vehicles are one option, but the big need is reducing our dependency on oil as a cheap fuel for personal transportation. And yes, in Canada we live in wooden houses with heat pumps. I don’t feel outrage towards ICE car drivers, and understand a lot of people aren’t ready to switch. Every year it seems that the climate is becoming more intrusive, with evacuations due to forest fires in the North in early May, and forecasts for a long hot summer. Just join the dots as you smell the smoke from thousands of km away. Maybe when the time comes for a new car, you might think about your options more. Your choice.

[@danielcarroll3358]

@Revolutionneeded1 The head of the International Energy Agency (IAEA) happened to be in my office a few years ago, for absolutely unrelated reasons. He was talking to a Saudi official and said, "You know petroleum is really useful stuff. We make all kinds of things out of it. But you know what we do with most of it? We destroy it by burning it up."

[@solentbum]

On the simple question of will the Charge point operators pass on a drop in VAT, it was Insta Volt that got caught out in its early days by the 20% VAT ruling and were forced to add that VAT to it's bills. It's Government inaction that has continued the problem.

[@northyorkshirechris5735]

But bearing in mind the links between our current government and the fossil fuel companies, this is little surprise. Like many, I just hope that things will start to change for the better after July.

[@randomjasmicisrandom]

I picked up my Skoda Enyaq April 30th, so I’ve had it for a month. I’m on Octopus Agile and have a Zappi charger, and just received my first electricity bill since getting the car. I have charged three times and it has cost me 3.5p, 5.5p and a whopping 9.8p per kW each time. I didn’t stand next to my car whilst it charged, but first time got on with some gardening, second time I was having a barbecue and the third time I was fast asleep.

[@DileepaRanawake]

Ev myths books is excellent.

[@kenanderson8506]

Here in Germany we have thg deals, it's about that what you would pay for a inspection on an ICE. THG= INDUSTRIAL SMOKE CERTIFICATE. About 350 € a year.

[@rattyocaster]

It amused me when I was listening to the podcast version of this as I was driving past the Great Yorkshire Show ground in my Born earlier this week. Great podcast as always!

[@jakequinn2968]

Could you do a documentary following Quentin around? He’s doing fantastic work, which I’d love to see!

[@robertstout7756]

On the question of high regen and low regen. Coasting, of course is the most efficient. Putting energy into the battery and then taking it back out by slowing too much then putting your foot on the throttle with high region is slightly less efficient.

[@davidcottrell570]

Whatever you say. I still prefer using regen to slow down when I lift the right foot beyond a certain point, particularly in traffic. There is a coasting zone in my accelerator deflection which also works in cruise control, but when I need to slow down, or the radar picks up a car in front, the regen kicks in. Interestingly, my car also uses regen with the brake pedal until you are going beyond .3G, at which point the brakes kick in. Works for me. I think a lot of models have sorted this out by now, but not all. Definitely a feature to look into when shopping.

[@foppo101]

And Quentin.My first EV this year hopefully July time.Iam apprehensive at 74 .I drove the car a Citroen Berlingo EV.We need the space for grandchildren and a big boot for my wife motability scooter.Driving an EV is a pleasure so easy.We have a home charger so we are lucky.

[@MrAdopado]

You'll love it! With a charger at home you can always start the day with plenty of miles available ... which is ideal. If convenient get into the habit of plugging in every time you get home and use short top-ups rather than waiting to the end of the week to do a big charge.

[@nathansuss]

Great talk

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

In Australia, I pay $1.008700 per day Supply Charge. This is dirt cheap backup electricity when my EV is part of my home energy system at night. Rooftop systems installed are cheaper than windows $/m2. Rooftop systems shade my roof in summer, which is very cool 😎. Saves summer cooling costs.

[@evdave528]

Well done

[@InBodWeTrust]

Non-Tesla EV servicing is still relatively expensive, because the standard dealerships don't want to lose the service model as it accounts for most of their profits. (e.g. the service plan for my MG4 was £399 for 3 years servicing and first MOT. But the actual work content of EV servicing is minimal, yet you need to keep up servicing to maintain the warranty). However as time goes on I see this paradigm shifting, especially as the market density of BEVs heads towards majority. Re. charging ... the biggest issue for BEV adoption uptake is destination charging / on-street charging. This is what's needed for those without driveways to to be comfortable with getting a BEV.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Spot on cheers guys 👍

[@TomTom-cm2oq]

Robert’s best interviews are when he is talking to equals. This was incredibly fantastic to listen to. Thank you to both for being so great. Elon is fantastic. Don’t hate on him, try to understand him. Without him, you might not be so successful with these videos. Something to ponder about the man you dislike so much…

[@ObiePaddles]

For me it’s tailpipe emissions that are the issue for mee. Not everyone believes the CO2 argument, but most people can agree that emissions that kills people cant be a good thing, and we’ve all had been in circumstances where we breath in crap.

[@martinwoollett8468]

all pedestrians

[@simonyapp]

Well said!

[@timscott3027]

I agree 100percent, co2 whilst I'm inclined to believe in climate change being caused by humans im also not completely convinced that it's the only thing going on. I'm completely for EVs though going forward, just for the local pollution savings and air quality, also noise pollution being reduced. It's a no brainer, if EVs work for you just do it. My next car will definitely be an EV, I'm just running my old petrol car till it dies or becomes too expensive.

[@ObiePaddles]

@@timscott3027 I believe in the CO2 argument as well because enough scientists I admire do. It’s just not worth the conversation though!

[@Nikoo033]

“believe the CO2 argument” 😂 the human role in climate change via GHG emissions is not a religion: it’s science and fact based. So it’s not about whether you believe it or not. 😂

[@potter2702]

I have had my ZS EV for just over a year now and we're so happy with EVs that we now have Zoe ZE50 and we're total EV family

[@Dave-mv3xy]

We need an industry standard measure and record for battery Sate of health for the used market

[@flashsushi1843]

Yeah, State of Heatlh not equal to Remaining Useful Life. We definitely need better diagnostic tools or models and may even require spectroscopy or x-ray to see the actual physical condition of batteries. That issue will probably disappear once Samsung, CATL and others introduce solid state and other more advanced batteries that are earmarked to last 20 years.

[@georgepelton5645]

Very important IMO. I was glad to hear Quentin is working to make battery health reports more widely available.

[@michaelfields8981]

I down loaded the e-book, printed it off and shall loan it to anybody I know who is an ICE car fan, to try to enlighten them.

[@YS-cs8yq]

It seems the best solution as far as charging is concerned is for every workplace to have mandatory destination chargers. It would be within a compound so no vandalism, the firm would keep an eye on the chargers as the employees would complain if they are not working and much cheaper to install then fast chargers. It seems a better idea for the government to encourage or subsidise these chargers then putting vast amounts on fast chargers.

[@susanshepherd7093]

We mostly charge at home on solar we generate on the roof. But for the odd times we need to charge away from home we use electroverse which transfers the costs to our home eletricity bill. They work with many charger operators in the UK and across Europe. It is so easy.

[@johnbow100]

Just out of curiosity how many miles a day do you get from solar charging? I only have a 4kw solar system but I only drive about 10 miles a day. I was wondering if my system is big enough to cover charging for my needs.

[@matthewbaynham6286]

Wrong word alert: Batteries loose "capacity", batteries never loose "efficiency". So a 10 year old electric car might have 90% of the original "capacity", but it will still have the exactly the same "efficiency" as when it was new.

[@Smith_Tech_70]

Wrong word alert: "Lose" not "Loose".

[@timscott3027]

Surely it will lose a tiny amount of efficiency. Bearings wear out in wheels and motors etc. it will probably be miniscule but it's not true to say they don't lose efficiency. Also ice cars don't lose that much efficiency if they're maintained properly, I mean my mpg is still roughly the same around 48, maybe dropped a couple since new. Driving style makes way more difference to efficiency. Also I'm not arguing against EVs, I love them and our next car will be one. My work has just got in a full EV fleet and it's been brilliant from a driver's point of view.

[@georgepelton5645]

@@timscott3027 True, but Quentin was clearly talking about battery capacity loss, but instead said batteries lose "efficiency." Battery efficiency is the energy provided during discharging 100-0% divided by the energy needed to charge 0-100%.

[@timscott3027]

@@georgepelton5645 ahh, perhaps it was just a slip up and he meant capacity. I don't know enough about battery chemistry to know if they do lose efficiency or not, so I will take your word on it that they don't 😁.

[@georgepelton5645]

@@timscott3027 I don't think I said battery efficient doesn't change with age. I would expect it would be very slightly less efficient as the internal resitance of the cells does increase with aging. However, I think Quentin was referring to capacity loss, which is much more significant.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Rapid chargers will be on the main roads and at corner stores. 😮😊😊

[@LowreyContractorsUK]

We are in Bristol on the second highest tide in the world and we aren’t harvesting hydro power which could power transport 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@rogerphelps9939]

Unfortunately the Severn Estuary is a site of special scientific interest. A hydro scheme would mos definitely disrupt a lot of it although I am sure that we could get used to not having the Severn Bore. I think that the smaller tidal lagoon schemes should be revisited.

[@tinacordon7866]

I drive a 2011 Nissan Leaf which does everything I need a car to do. The negative comments about 24kW Leafs are of benefit to me because I will get my next car at a very low price.

[@simonyapp]

Same we have two cars one long range electric one short range Leaf the Leaf does 8000 miles of school runs and shopping every year and it costs near to nothing, love it

[@freethinker4991]

Shopping center can cover there car park with solar panels and/or have battery storage and/or use the power in store or sell the power. It cost between $0.04 and $0.06 AU per kWh to produce power from solar in 2020. This cost for Solar cover install and wright off of solar panels in a commercial system. Selling the power at $0.20 is a 500% mark up. 50kW up to 350kW EV cost to install at around $25,000 to 50,000 each. Charging say 5 to 10 EV ever day per charger suggest it would take about 1.5 year to pay of the EV chargers and then it becomes all profit. Shopping center manager need to look into this revenue stream.

[@thumper1747]

Well done Quentin and Robert. Ubiquitous and affordable energy will liberate people and opportunities. Eventually I hope it will empower ‘cultured meat’ to eradicate the current meat product industry and ‘vertical farming’ as its 250 times more efficient than traditional agriculture and will save billions of gallons of water and cease the use of chemicals in our fruit and vegetables.

[@aliruane]

I have an MG4 x-power. The software is garbage, full of annoyances. The ‘safety’ features like lane assist and collision avoidance are downright dangerous. And have to be switched off every time I drive it. But for all that I love it. The drive is fun and the performance is spectacular. The range is enough for me to work all over the country and it is amazingly cheap to run. I’ll never go back to combustion.

[@TheAlien1974]

Here here I've got one too

[@rickicoughlan8299]

Here in Australia successive governments have failed us in terms of emissions policies which have made us a dumping ground for ICE cars and resistance from car companies to send EVs here. They’ve also invested zip in charging infrastructure or incentivising recharging infrastructure and criminal housing policies mean that fewer people own homes and renters don’t have off street parking and access to solar. The outcome is that we have a large energy underclass and only people who own their own home are buying EVs. This is hardly encouraging the move to a viable charging network. As a result I drive a hybrid and this sector has been outselling EVs this year.

[@colinwiseman]

EV Pioneers. That's a great title :D

[@colinwiseman]

The electricity price should be low, but still making some profit, but like cinemas they should make profits from sundries.

[@maxflight777]

*I love stop burning stuff* compelling facts

[@artlewellan2294]

Let's say there's a dozen basic benefits EVs offer. As I see it, the #1 most important benefit is their ability to reduce car dependency. An EV in the garage gives a household the choice to use electricity stored in their battery packs for driving or for household uses. This benefit is gained more ideally with plug-in hybrid PHEV tech rather than all-battery BEVs. Eventually, combustible hydrogen in the ICEngine of a PHEV+H drivetrain can deliver more than twice the equivalent MPG possible in fuel cell EVs but only by driving less thereby reducing car dependency.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

2019 Kia e-Niro from new, 102,000 km of enjoyable, trouble free driving. The only thing that has needed replacing is the 12v battery, a weak-link legacy of needing to crank a fossil fuel engine. Next generation EVs will go to 48v for all the ancillary equipment and do away with the lead-acid lump.

[@davidriches2127]

Tesla are already using 16v lithium instead of lead acid.

[@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834]

they will indeed, as you say its a leftover from the ICE AGE.

[@MrAdopado]

To be fair to the 12V lead acid batteries their failure in certain EVs is not really a weak link legacy ... it has been a failure of the electronics/software in the EV which has to recharge the lead acid battery from the main pack. A 12V lead acid battery has a very easy life in an EV compared to in an ICE vehicle but it needs to be regularly topped up and some cars weren't doing that effectively. If the EV does its job properly the 12v battery will last longer than a lead/acid in an ICE. Fortunately I have never had 12V battery issues on my EV (heading for 5 years old).

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

@@MrAdopado Absolutely right, with no big current surges to turn an engine over they should last a lot longer in an EV. I have noticed that even when my car is not charging and is powered down the charging indicators flash for a short time. This is the traction battery topping up the 12v. The problem is that if you let a lead acid battery voltage go too low then it can suffer permanent damage. The problem with ours was self inflicted, not fully closing the tailgate so the internal lights were on for a day or so. A fried with a Hyundai Ioniq has the same 12v as in the e-Niro, his lasted 6 years.

[@MrAdopado]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Yes, the cars should be designed to cope with that kind of incident. There should be constant monitoring of the 12V system such that if the voltage drops to a given level it wakes the car and initiates charging from the HV pack. However, you also have to account for HV capacity ... in mine if the HV pack is below 20% it supposedly holds off charging the 12V battery ... so I try to never leave it with less than 20% for any extended period!

[@combitz]

I'm leaning towards a BEV next as the hybrids are just not giving the benefits promised and I've driven several BEV's over the last few weeks that are fantastic, very capable and fun drives but they don't seem to have a business model for the dealers so when Quinten is saying it costs nothing to service (meaning the car obviously didn't go to the dealer) then the dealers void any warranty. MG want £400 to service an MG4 x-power and if they don't see it in 12 month the warranty is void, this was straight from the A5 Cannock dealers mouth so shelling out £40k (Which you would have to for an ICE too) feels a risk to not then take it to them in case there is a major issue, so saying they don't need servicing feels a stretch of the truth the other way. I know, you deserve plenty of credit considering what the oil company trash talk says and I'm nit picking but as I'm trying to go BEV, some of what you say I'm not seeing from my perspective.

[@howardcairns78]

Hi there Guys, Thank you for all your work that you do to promote EVs. I live in Australia and own a BYD Atto3 and love it. I occasionally use a fast charger (75Kw) at a service station and it costs around 70c Australian (about 35p UK). I think you are being ripped off as we say here. Is there any way I can get some copies of the Little Book of EVs over here. I'd like to have a tool to help convince more people. My friend who has had petrol cars for 50 years is now going to buy an EV next year when he retires.

[@northyorkshirechris5735]

Things could certainly be a lot better here in the UK in terms of public charging. There are a lot of chargers being installed and the investment is being made, but pricing isn’t great. This is probably because we’ve had a pro-fossil fuel government in place since 2019 who really aren’t interested and would rather subsidise and promote oil. We are just about to go to the polls in about a month and will hopefully get a new government which should be a bit more on-side. Regarding the book, just Google “Little Book of EV Myths fair charge” and you’ll find it. I’d link it, but KZbin doesn’t seem to like links.

[@MrAdopado]

You can download a pdf. Search for "Little Book of EV Myths"

[@georgepelton5645]

There is a link in the video description to their Little Book of EVs. I just downloaded it in the US.

[@murraymadness4674]

Around here a 2011 Leaf with 30 miles range is $2,000. I've been very tempted to get one and make it into a plug-in hybrid with a towed prius 1.5L engine generator, as you can buy a prius hybrid for $3,000 now or one with a bad battery for $500..

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

The selfplug-in V2G EV feature will be the must have feature. Just look at the home robotic vacuum cleaner. 😊😊😊😊😊 Simple $60 wall power outlet and trickle currents as most vehicles are parked 23hrs every day.. Knee high wall plug, dirt cheap. Dirt cheap rooftop electricity. Most vehicles drive building to building. 😊😊😊😊😊

[@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834]

absolutely right

[@rogerstarkey5390]

"Self plug in" absolutely... Not. . For automation it needs to be non-contact, easy alignment, no moving parts, robust. . That's going to be some form of ground based induction slow charge. . Wait until August. (08/08) . I think you're going to see the design of an inductive system that can work with certain vehicles "on the street", graze charging "between jobs" for 1-2 minutes at designated stations. The aim will be to "not lose charge" rather than gain large amounts during a "work shift". That same system will be available for "driven/ owned" vehicles as a pad that you bolt to your driveway/ garage floor fir slow charge. . It MAY become a "cheap" add-on for a certain (popular) brand of DCFC and destination chargers with 5-10% having the option retrofitted to allow charging of the first vehicles I mentioned when they're "off base". . It's going to be a gradual change.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 thanks for your feedback. The combination of EV battery and Rooftop PV will be the things that protects the grid. Particularly if we go to 100% electric energy.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

@@rogerstarkey5390 perhaps. I think a dirt cheap wall outlet at every car park space will be ezi pezi. More ideas the better.

[@martinwoollett8468]

@@rogerstarkey5390 induction charging is inefficient and costly to buy and install

[@Danothebaldyheid]

Can you check your Pocketcasts feed? The podcast hasn't arrived again..

[@trevorberridge6079]

[16:00] Disappointed to hear Quentin Wilson say you wouldn't want a 24kwh Nissan Leaf for £3000 with 70 miles range. That's twice as far as most people ever travel in a day. My 9 year-old Leaf still got me to Harrogate Fully Charged Live last year. In fact I drove to relatives in Boston in Lincolnshire, then on to a hotel in Leeds, then to Harrogate and the Emmerdale Tour nearby, then back to London. All the while averaging 4.8 miles per kwh. We're never going to quash the anti-EV rhetoric if we can't avoid naysaying EVs ourselves. A £3000 EV will suffice perfectly for very large numbers of first time buyers or second car seekers. Never mind the added bonus of TCO savings. Come on Quentin. You know full well if you give the trolls the slightest whiff of oxygen they will breathe fire for centuries.