Electric Explained: FIVE things you need to know before you buy an electric car

[@superbantam523]

Only someone who has access to home charging would say don't worry if you don't have it.

[@cassist000]

I don't have home charging and have always been fine with public chargers here in the NL

[@superbantam523]

@@cassist000 must cost you a lot

[@cassist000]

@@superbantam523 the difference with charging at home or charging at a public charger is not all that much here, and I never needed to invest in changing the electrical infrastructure in my home.

[@RupertBear412]

@@cassist000 I travel to Rotterdam regularly and am jealous of your charging network. Sadly, here in the UK we are very poorly served because very few chargers are being installed compared to numbers of EV car sales. This is one of the biggest reasons EV sales have dropped dramatically this year

[@HologramJones]

@@superbantam523 The UK just needs to catch up with the rest of Europe

[@clivethomas6864]

Why does public charging cost so much, up to 79p per kWh. Is it that Shell and BP setting the tariff to maintain the dominance of ice cars and their petrol prices. How can Tesla charge much less 44p for the same electric from the same sources.

[@neoanderson7]

I couldn't imagine living with an EV without having a home charger. It's practically impossible, especially in my area. Not to mention the weather. Having the car plugged in during the winter is an absolute must. Good tips though!

[@georgepelton5645]

I wouldn't recommend an EV without any home charging available. Even a household 3-pin plug is enough for most people, supplemented with faster public charging when needed. However, many people do manage EV ownership without any home charging possible. One way is to get a long range car, 300 miles, and use a rapid (DC) charger at a nearby grocery store while doing the weekly shopping.

[@johnmoulton9728]

The insurance on our new iqonic 5 was the same as our VW golf

[@rhiantaylor3446]

I winced when you said "don't worry if you cannot charge at home..." yes you can make it work but you will pay up to 7 times as much per kwh

[@superbantam523]

Cannot stress enough I've got a home charger, but anyone who hasnt or can't do not buy electric.

[@moonshine3333]

@@superbantam523So apparently you can charge for just £5 (ha ha ha ha) but you have to spend £xxx’s to do so. Makes sense 🤔🤔🤔

[@jimf4748]

@@superbantam523 And yet I'm on my second EV but cannot charge at home. I've had no issues with several chargers about a 1 minute walk away and even (still) two free ones about 5 minutes away. I can charge for free most times but occasionally have to pay but have avaraged about £8.00 per month for the last 6 months.

[@superbantam523]

@jimf4748 if your trying to suggest that's the normal it isn't. The government stopped free charges a few years ago. They were an early incentive to get ppl to go electric.

[@madmandonna1]

Public charging is doable, I did it for nearly a year, but it's a bit of a nightmare. The amount of crap apps, unreliable chargers, the amount that are out of order and the sheer number of EV drivers there are now, plus having to pay around 72p per KWh it makes running the car so much more expensive, especially in winter. Home charging is a game changer though.

[@keithlivingstone2525]

How much to have a wall box installed?

[@madmandonna1]

@@keithlivingstone2525 I think about £600 or so, but I have a 3 pin charger because I'm in a rented house.I gain back what I've lost over night from my commute, so it's not been a problem for me.

[@synthmaker]

I agree about home charging being a game changer. I pay 7.5p/kWh which is equivalent to £2 per 100 miles. Actually I consider charging the car free as I'm also using the cheap electricity to run appliances and water heating, my monthly bill has actually gone down even though I've driven 1600 miles. My first bill for 3 weeks shows 400kWh charged at a total of £28 plus 5% VAT. Tesla superchargers are great, they're everywhere, very reliable and it's a seamless experience. They're by far the cheapest but even my local Tesla Supercharger off-peak cost of 26p/kWh was over 3 times what it costs at home. Recently Tesla increased the off-peak charge to 41p/kWh which makes it even worse, luckily I can charge at home. Another thing I found from experience is that I don't need a home charger, I can charge around 80 miles overnight plugging to the standard 3 pin socket. If I needed faster charging I'd install a 32A socket, charge over 3 times faster and still not need a home charger. When you buy a home charger you're paying for a lot of smart features that you have to switch off when you're charging a Tesla and your supplier is Octopus Energy. I think it's a misconception thinking that a home charger is a necessity. My conclusion is that the government should stop pushing for public supercharger like Ionity that is owned by legacy car manufacturers that have little interest in helping the transition to EVs. What the government should do instead is to make it easy for people that can't charge at home to be able to install an extension that allows them to charge with their own electricity while parked on the street. The current non-Tesla superchargers are slowing down the transition with very inflated electricity prices.

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

Don't. These boxes are huge fire risks

[@timscott3027]

​@@Anonymous-ib8soa huge fire risk, really. So you're saying that every device that charges via a 3pin plug is a fire risk? I mean technically any electric plug Is a fire risk if you use it wrong. It will be fine, if the box is getting hot just leave it somewhere safe on a wire rack or something not under a blanket etc.

[@adstix]

Two questions, please: 1) Is it okay to rapid-charge once every week? 2) I notice that virtually all the charging examples shown in youtube videos are often outdoors. Can one safely charge within an enclosed garage?

[@DonkeyRhubarb21]

I rapid charge once a week to 80%. No problem. I also see absolutely no reason why you can't charge indoors, especially if you're slow charging (far less heat)

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

No. Fire departments around the world say ideally the charge point should be at least 15 metres away from the house

[@robw6755]

​@@Anonymous-ib8so to be honest here in the UK all the chargers I've seen have been attached to the outside wall of the house, not 15 meters away, with cars parked about two meters from the house.

[@78Terp]

I charge my Bolt EV inside my garage. I've never worried about it. And here in metro Denver Colorado, my Bolt gets over 300 miles/charge. The mountains extend the range which is counter-intuitive.

[@georgepelton5645]

IDK about someone who drives 1000 miles/week being better off with a PHEV. Their savings on fuel would be the highest of any EV buyer. If they buy a PHEV, it would only use electricity for a small fraction of their driving. No reason a good 300+ mile fast charging BEV couldn't do the job just as well as a PHEV or ICE vehicle.

[@vulpixelful]

I think their recommendation is on how often they'll need to drive longer distances. If you need to be able to drive 500 mile+ distances within a moment's notice, maybe? But that seems more like a work situation. And PHEV drivers will only save if they actually charge their vehicles. If the gas engine is just a range extender it would end up using more gas to charge the battery, since gas engines aren't very energy efficient (most of the energy escapes as heat).

[@myrtlemoore7611]

I wouldn't be thinking about going electric because as long as they sell gas cars I'm gonna drive gas cars if they really wanted us to stop driving gas cars they're stop selling gas cars that's when people start buying electric cars simple but they gotta make these cars cheap just like the gas cars cause if they don't we can afford them simple

[@MarkHarveyArt]

A couple of thoughts if I may. 1. Most motorway service areas and indeed shopping malls have a time limit for parking (usually around2 hours). If the charging bays are in use, then technically you may need to drive on further in the hope of finding a free charging point at another service area, or wait till a bay becomes available which could leave very little charge time! 2. You say that the battery is aimed at lasting the lifetime of the car. Surely this depends on how you define lifetime of the car? As an example, my current car is 13 years old, and I know locally a person who has had his car for over 23 years. Would you suggest that people who tend to cling on to their vehicles beyond what a manufacturer terms a lifetime should consider ICE vehicles instead?

[@Markcain268]

I stopped driving to save money to buy an ev, after a while I realised I really don't need a car so no point buying an ev, may as well spend my savings on something interesting I can enjoy instead of wasting it on a second hand ev lol

[@Whatshisname346]

Been telling the missus this for years. I commute by bus, running or cycling. Our car spends most of the year sitting out on the street costing me money with the occasional mistaken parking fine as an additional kick in the nuts. Her indoors mostly works from home. I’d love to get rid of it but she keeps telling me we’ll miss it when it’s gone. The car I mean!

[@Whatshisname346]

I’m a tight-fisted git. My car is 23 years old, produces 149g/km of Co2, starts, stops and runs. It’s not the prettiest looking thing but I like it. When something breaks, I fix it. Servicing and incidental repairs cost me about €500 a year. It’s on its original engine and gearbox. Though a replacement would probably set me back €1000 as it’s been used in millions of cars. My question is, can an electric car last 23 years without serious expensive overhaul such as battery replacement while producing less greenhouse gas emissions between its production cycle and electricity production? Isn’t the best car for the environment, the one that’s already built?

[@jamesfromwales]

Octopus tells me my emissions are about 36g per mile and the electricity is mostly from renewable sources. In these conditions electric cars are supposed to be more carbon efficient after 13000 miles. Not sure if it will do 23 years. Hoping for 15.

[@ottot3221]

The whole model if an EV is something for you changes if a car can do V2X or V2H as than you have a huge home battery in front of your home and makes economically a ton more sense, especially if you have solar panels or an hourly rate from your electricity company. Now more car need to implement this as it's stupid this isn't a standard feature already.

[@malph9216]

You made a huge understatement when you said "there's room for improvement" with the charging infrastructure. It's absolutely rubbish in the UK, and I think you know it! My nearest charger is 10 miles away and it's 7KW. I have a petrol station 1/4 mile away and another 3 within 5 miles. It takes me 5 minutes to refuel to a range of nearly 600 miles which lasts me a month......unless I'm visiting family, a 300 mile round trip (without having to 'recharge'), then the tank lasts 'just' a couple of weeks.

[@djtaylorutube]

Serious question, do you have electricity at home? Do you have off street parking? If not the latter then I understand and wouldn't recommend an EV.

[@malph9216]

@@djtaylorutube Yes I do. But why would I get rid of my perfectly good petrol car (which someone else will buy and continue to use) at great cost to me, for an EV that will depreciate at a ridiculous rate, then spend another bunch of money on installing a home charger that would probably require expensive modification to my domestic electrics, and the EV will just be more inconvenient and unsuitable to my lifestyle and the way I use a car. EVs are fine for some people but not others. If you want one, have one, but don't force one on me as a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. The climate might be changing, but we are not the cause.

[@djtaylorutube]

@@malph9216 I'm not forcing, I don't care what anyone else drives. Just addressing the issue of lack of charging for you. You have electricity at home, just plug in, there's no requirement to have a 7kWh EVSE. But as you say, if your happy, just continue as you are, everyone has their own situation, budget and wishes. Do what works for you. 😉

[@malph9216]

@@djtaylorutube Apologies if I came across a bit curt. The whole issue rotates around badly thought through, unachievable Government mandates. As you say, if an EV suits the way you live your life, then fine have one....but they're certainly not for everyone, and that's the way it should stay.

[@djtaylorutube]

@@malph9216 Totally agree. We had a Leaf back in 2015 to 2017. Great little runabout for the city shuttle but a road tripper it was not. We're got various vehicles but added an EV last year again for several reasons, financial not being one of them. We're just on our way back from touring Switzerland which has been absolutely awesome but I don't like the factions that exist, it's too polarising and each has benefits and disadvantages. My daughter recently tried an Ora Funky Cat, loved the car but I advised her to stick with her petrol DS3. She owns it outright and Ora Cat is at least £10k over priced. There'll be plenty of future choice for her generation when things have matured (hopefully) In time things will be worked out naturally I think. No worries on tone, I'm used to it 😉

[@RupertBear412]

trust me when I say that your number 1 consideration should be establishing where will you be charging? home or public network and if public network, before you buy, physically visit everyone of the chargers near your home at different times of the day to establish your chances of actually finding a working charger that is reasonably available - trust me, living in an upstairs flat without the ability to have a home charger and being fully reliant on the public network puts you in an extremely vulnerable position and means that you will likely be sat at in your car, in all weathers, at weird times of the day and night, for at least an hour, one or more times a week (after first driving around trying to find a working and available one)

[@superbantam523]

100% agree. I've had one for over 2 years now and have a home charger. I wouldn't recommend anyone buying one without being able to charge at home. Too costly and if free usually not working from what I've seen.

[@ingatestone100]

Or you could look for people that have a Home charger which you could use for a small payment within walking distance of where you live ?

[@superbantam523]

@ingatestone100 you seriously think that's an answer. Someone letting you park up at there house for hours and hours while it charges.

[@judebrown4103]

​​@@superbantam523I bought my EV last year with no home charging. I did my research, installed ZapMap, found all the chargers near to my home in a village in Kent and also found those chargers along the routes we frequent.. Having found out who were the operators we then took out subscriptions to the ones we're likely to use most. Since we bought the car our remaining elderly parent became ill and has needed to be taken to hospital, sometimes in an emergency, and to various medical appointments, we just keep the car in a higher state of charge than we would otherwise. She lives half an hour away from us and the various hospitals she has to go to are varying distances away, for example my wife has driven 103 miles today. The car has coped perfectly well, we charge maybe two, three times a week and we pay a third less for fuel than we did in our petrol car. The car is an Ioniq 38kWh so small battery, slowish charging but super-duper efficiency. Our regular charger is five minutes away at a Premier Inn next to an Aldi so we do the shopping there for more savings. If we need a charge for my wife to go into the office I will charge it the previous evening when I'm out, I can always find some work to occupy me or I'll do what I would do at home, watch KZbin videos! I can even get a cuppa in the Premier Inn to keep warm in the winter if I want. With proper research and planning it is perfectly possible in many places around the country, there are some charging deserts, I know, so you must investigate fully. Also contact your local council and ask for destination chargers to be put in your area. I've done this and they are being installed in a few months time thanks to our excellent Green councillors. Oh and regarding the suggestion to ask someone if you can use their charger...one of those Green councillors lives in our village and offered us the use of their home charger if ever we were stuck. I didn't ask, they offered....not so far fetched a suggestion after all eh?

[@synthmaker]

@@superbantam523 I don't think it's the answer but it's part of the answer. I pay 7.5p/kWh and would be fine letting someone use my electricity at a slightly higher rate assuming it's legal to do so. Would be good for both, for example they could pay 20p/kWh which is still a lot cheaper than any public charger.

[@OldManTony]

There are a lot of companies out there who rip off owners with service charges for electric cars.

[@rp9674]

Miles per day, not miles per week, ideally you're charging daily, maybe twice a day if you have work charging

[@TakeResponsibilty]

Funny thing is, I leased a diesel car in 2016 because the UK Government promoted them and made them much, much cheaper to run as company cars. Now in 2023, the UK Government are promoting EVs and they are much, much cheaper to run as company cars. Spot the trend? If the UK Government promoted cars that ran on frankincense and myrrh that cut my BIK tax bill from £6,000 to £489 per year (as they have with the Tesla I now run), then I’d order one tomorrow. That’s approx £22,000 saving over a 4-year business lease. Or a decent holiday in Barbados with the family. Simple as.

[@moonshine3333]

Sponsored by Citroen? Other manufacturers are available 😳

[@Peoplestariff]

Yes i noticed that too ! 😮

[@SB-hr5yr]

That's good news... there are no negative down sides to owning a EV in the UK.

[@superbantam523]

Electric cars usually cost more to buy? Name 1 that doesn't?

[@Manuel-rl6um]

Tesla Model 3 base model. I don't think there is a car of its category, size, power (almost 300hp), well equipped (panoramic glass roof included), rear wheel drive, quite sporty, for 40K. Toyota Camry cost more. Peugeot 508 1.2T 130cv cost the same or more with similar equipment. The PHEV180hp with similar equipment cost 10K more. That's without taking into account in most countries you can get 4-7.5K off the price on the Tesla, which would make it much much cheaper than similar ICE, HEV, PHEV cars. But then the Tesla has practically no maintenance cost and cost per mile is much smaller than any of its non electric competitors.

[@Manuel-rl6um]

Same could be said about the Tesla Model Y. Big SUV with 300hp for less than 50K very well equipped. Close to 40K with government grants in many countries

[@Manuel-rl6um]

Also MG4 Long Range with 245hp for less than 40K. I'm not sure there is a compact car with this HP for less. The funny thing is that the XPower version with 435hp cost only 1500€ more.

[@neilgrant9032]

With 2nd hand EV prices crashing through the floor, manufacturers slashing prices on new because they can’t sell them and the Uk charging infrastructure a complete joke, please do remember these 5 key points and if you’re mug enough, buy into the EV nightmare. Lest not forget genuine (full lifecycle) greener options are on the way, rendering the EV car market obsolete in the near future.

[@maximilianholland]

Not all of this is sensible information. If you can't access a regular plug, either at home or at work, then you will be paying through the teeth (~70p per KWh) for electricity at public chargers, making the fueling cost for an EV about the same as a combustion car, with little hope to recoup the higher purchase cost. The only exception is if you have very cheap (or even free) slow chargers near your home or work, but these are rare as hen's teeth. Public chargers might get more competitive pricing in the future, but who knows when. The good news is that at least 60% of UK drivers do have access to a regular plug, either at home or at work. If you drive at least a thousand miles per week - and you DO have access to a plug at home - this is exactly when BEVs (at least those with 250+ miles of range so that you can do almost all your charging at home) *make the most sense*, saving thousands of pounds on fuel per year! A PHEV is exactly the WRONG choice in this situation, since they are typically going to do only 25 or 30 miles on electric and are thereafter MORE fuel hungry than a modern modest combustion car when doing steady motorway driving over very long distances. The break even point is likely journeys of around 100-150 miles - if you daily drive more than that, a PHEV may end up costing you more in fuel than a traditional engined car.

[@Peoplestariff]

Went to see the latest Mission impossible seemed odd that the Italian police were all using BMWs not Italian vehicles as they actually do then realised it was a product placement like a Bond Movie - watching electrifying is now the same I think it’s time to change the name to citrofying !

[@chryschrysostomou5392]

I'm glad you made the comment, as otherwise they might consider me anti Electrifying. Why showcase a brand that doesn't have fully electric platformed vehicles!

[@ashtontechhelp]

I haven't noticed, but it's likely a long-term staff car. If it's always at the house studio, then of course it's going to feature a lot. If it changes a lot then possibly yes, it's placement. Or maybe they just obtained a load of cars at once, all from the same dealer ? There will be more than just the few presenters you see at the studio, there will be camera / sound / lighting / production teams, back office etc.

[@johnlennonghost6238]

What scares me about electric cars…? I bought a 2021 Kia Niro, EV and I loved it in the beginning; very cheap to charge, save money on buying gas, and low maintenance! Here’s my problem: 20 months (21,000 + miles) into buying this new experiment in my life, the battery went out and had to be replaced. And I know the dealership told me it was “the first one to happen in the Midwest (of the United States) for a Kia vehicle“. Where the electric car is not practical is, if my car would not have been under warranty, the price to replace a battery is ridiculous!!! I paid $38,000 for this car (brand new) and to replace the battery cost a total of $44,000 ($32,000 for the battery and $12,000 to install it). Until they figure out that little problem, it is worthless to buy a car, and keep it past any warranty!!! That’s why, I plan on selling this car, before the warranty is final!!!

[@malph9216]

That's a very expensive fuel tank! I wonder how much it would cost to replace an electric motor (engine)..?

[@solentbum]

I suspect that there is an element of profit taking involved by dealers. I believe the swap time for a Battery pack for a Nissan LEAF is less than 3 hours (including Tea breaks) If the Battery really cost $32k the car would not have been viable to sell. Again I suspect massive mark ups by the dealer. Maybe one of the businesses involved in EV repairs could comment.

[@BogeyTheBear]

Mind you, the warranty replacement meant you didn't have to factor in the trade-in value of the defective battery. After all, you're not just going to _give away_ a literal half-ton of lithium and precious metals, right?

[@johnlennonghost6238]

@@solentbum, they had my car for 6 weeks, to replace the battery!!! Everything was done at the Dealership…I paid nothing for the replacement, because it was under warranty.

[@solentbum]

@@johnlennonghost6238 I understand the warranty bit, but where do the prices you quoted come from?

[@rchatte100]

I have a company EV and due to the tax dodge, it's worth it. Otherwise not. TOC of a typical ICE car is usually much lower than an EV.

[@mjc0961]

You can drive an electric car in the rain, unless it's a Cybertruck

[@markharris2557]

Thing to know before you buy an electric car - dont. Lease dont buy - you don’t want to own the depreciation….

[@michaelridley2864]

Thanks for very clear video, but so much FUD in the comments sadly. Completely agree that although there is still mor to do, there have been huge improvements in the charging infrastructure in the UK. The hub facilities that Gridserve have been putting in at many MOTO service areas are really impressive for long journeys, making the A1 our preferred north/south route by far! We don't have off street parking at home, but have excellent local charging options with Connected Kerb.

[@protagonist9716]

BYD Atto3 is the best selling EV in Sweden in July! BYD breaks big into Europe!!

[@MrRaitzi]

They are bursting in fire in China now. I hope not same on those they sold to Europe.

[@stevenjones916]

Sweden is a tiny market, don't exaggerate.

[@davidrowley3982]

We are purchasing 2 EVs. 1 volvo, 1 ford. On intelligent Octopus Go with smart meter. Both have different sized batteries. How will this integrate with a home charger? Which charger would you advise? how to set this up effectively? Thank you

[@duckman5642]

No 1 don't buy an one, Thermal runaway.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Cheers love for the tip

[@nicktheobald3128]

I can’t find the calculator that the video mentions - even the story says that there is a link (the word HERE) but it doesn’t take me to a calculator! Please post here exactly how to access the calculator. Thanks!

[@Yanquetino]

Good summary of what potential owners need to know. Funny thing, though, they rarely ask these questions, but tend to simply regurgitate their objections based on fossil foolish petrolganda ("Parking garages will collapse from their heavier weight!") Derp! 🤪

[@BogeyTheBear]

Case in point, my i4 has a curb weight of almost 4700 pounds. For a midsize car, that's massive. That also happens to be the weight of the lightest model of Ram 1500 truck you could possibly get.

[@NickFoster]

@@BogeyTheBear And has your I4 crushed any multi-storey carparks recently?

[@BogeyTheBear]

I haven't parked anywhere that couldn't handle a everyday short-cab truck, no.

[@Yanquetino]

@@BogeyTheBear Nissan LEAF - 3,509. Chevy Bolt - 3,589. Tesla Model 3 - 3,862. Hyundai Ioniq 5 - 3,968. Kia EV6 - 3,984. Volvo EX30 - 4,034. Nissan Ariya - 4,323. Ford Mustang Mach-E - 4,394. Toyota 4Runner - 4,400. Honda Odyssey - 4,482. Chrysler Pacifica - 4,521. Toyota Tundra - 5,095. Chevy Tahoe - 5,473. GMC Yukon - 5,490. Chevy Suburban - 5,616. GM Hummer - 9,063. Gonna ban 'em all from parking garages? Get outta here, pe'troll…!

[@superbantam523]

Need to include tyres in the cost. Had 4 new ones put on a year ago at MOT. Had MOT last month front 2 need replacing in next few months.

[@NickFoster]

Maybe you should stop driving like a lunatic?

[@-DC-]

Just Today reading some Motorway Service Operators have EV charging installed without actually having them Connected as there is insufficient capacity already in the Power Generation System, EV's are laughable compared to an ICE vehicle they simply can't get near the Flexibility.

[@CristinelCostea]

I have electric car and I can tell you that a real range of 500 km and a power of 200 CP is more than enough for any kind of use. Don"t buy electric cars with 2 motors and big power because you give the money for nothing, a car with a front electric motor and 70 kw battery is perfect. Don"t buy electric cars with mode than 2 tones and rear traction or awd, you will be dissapointed.

[@MiniMicroMan1]

My wife has recently bought a 4 year old Smart ForFour EQ with 22k on the clock. Coincidentally I have just come back from the Mercedes dealership who sold it to us after having a battery condition report done. I requested this myself. The report said that it still showed 96.6 % of the original capacity of when it was new. I was very pleased with this as it was above my expectations. They also checked each of the cells for good measure and they all passed. I had it done for peace of mind plus if I want to sell it in the future I have proof of condition.

[@Reddylion]

Nice

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

Mercedes EVs are suffering many problems with their vehicles self igniti g. Good luck.

[@brice9384]

​@@Anonymous-ib8so I read it on the internet so it is true.

[@toyotaprius79]

Enjoy the 3 phase charging

[@toyotaprius79]

​@@Anonymous-ib8so not remotely the same technology

[@TheNiki94]

nice video

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

Yes well produced but misleading in the extreme

[@markoshark4697]

So yeah. Your Range Calculator - Plugged in the numbers of my commute (actually KM, but can't change that) 65KM each way each day (so 130KM), saying 100% motorway driving, mix of hills and flat, need a range of "at least" 136KM. This is completely and utterly incorrect. Cars a sold with an advertised range (generally) at 100%, while they RECOMEND a maximum charge of 80% An EV driving at motorway speed will suffer a range drop (in some cases) of at least 20-30% Battery degradation (admittedly a lot harder to calculate) Even the video on the page talking about "range" doesn't mention any of this. Don't get me wrong, I have recently purchased an EV, but If I'd used your figures to base my buying on, I would have been screwed.

[@vulpixelful]

With regen braking, hills and flat is a great combo. I've _gained_ miles on drives with regen coasting. Edit: With recent EV models, charging to 100% once in a while is not a big issue, as long as you start to deplete the battery immediately instead of letting it sit at full capacity.

[@andrewholt3849]

Well explained.

[@paulpaintshop103]

😂😂😂😂😂 This aged like milk

[@BMWHP2]

You have to add something to the EV TCO, that you all seem to forget. How many people will buy their car cash? . . . . . . indeed, very few. So, when you buy a ICE Fiat 500 Cabrio, it wil cost €20k. When you buy a 42kWh Fiat 500 E Cabrio it will cost €38k that is €18k more on your loan. In 6 years that will add €3k on interest. Also the insurance will be about €600 per year extra, In 6 years that will be an extra €3.6k. So, that EV will cost you already €44.6 in stead of the €20k of the ICE version. Now try to work out how long you have to own that car to brake even . . . . With that €24.6k extra. . . . . . on a €20k car. I wonder why this is never mentioned on this chanel. Oh, and then the home charger . . . . Yes yes, we know the story about the brakes, the exhaust, and the gearbox, and it is true . . . . . . but please, tell the complete story.

[@PH8592]

Simple, don't buy a fiat 500 then 👀 most equivalents aren't anywhere near that much more...

[@BMWHP2]

@@PH8592 I was just looking for 2 comparible cars of the same brand, same model, same size etc. Many EV brands dont sell the entry level cars anymore. All has to be above 1.5 metric ton behemoth with 4 doors and preverably 6 or 7 seats. Just show me an other brand with 2 exact same models, 1 in ICE and 1 in EV version. You will probably get the same results. You will have to pay a lot extra for the EV version, bigger loan and higher insurance. Most EV minded people, (of which i am one to) will be blind for the extra costs of the EV, and only promote the positive sides. I try to have a more realistic view.

[@PH8592]

@@BMWHP2 but the 500 isn't truly comparable because they significantly improved the entire car for the ev only version - the ice 500 is still the old shape 😛 I do agree they're too expensive for their own good - but if you can get a cheaper one, and you don't mind driving a cheaper one (mg 4 is £25k starting, similar price to a base ICE golf) savings are still to be had

[@BMWHP2]

@@PH8592 Thats why i said, same brand same model. Not 2 completely different cars. You cant compair a Bucatti and a Skoda, just because the could have the same size. We tried both Fiat cars, EV and ICE version. Yes, the EV had a bigger screen and was 2 inch longer. But it was the same fun riding around the corners and riding on the highway. Thou we had to stop for charging a lot more often than filling gas. So, there are pros and cons. But an ICE version that in 6 years TCO is a lot less than half the price of the EV. . . . . do the math. Dont compare 2 completely different cars, trying to "proof" something. Use the same car, same brand and model, and try again.

[@PH8592]

@@BMWHP2 only £7k difference between the less powerful base Kia Niro and the Kia Niro EV

[@xx9587]

This may seem like a silly question but is there any problem with charging on a slope as charging stations all seem to be on level ground?

[@Electrifyingcom]

It's not a problem at all, and not a silly question either! One of our team has a very steep drive he charges his car on.

[@xx9587]

Thanks

[@stevenmitchell7830]

For EVs to get main stream adoption they have to be much cheaper, have driving ranges that are similar to combustion vehicles and charge in similar times to filling times for combustion vehicles. It would also help if they didn't spontaneously burst into flames while exuding deadly combustible gases, before ultimately exploding. Until EVs can overcome the price, range, charge convenience and exploding issues, the average person won't want one. It really requires a completely new battery technology. So ten years....

[@gileshalliwell3591]

I’m a high mileage driver and a Model 3 standard range has been fine. And I’ve done 50,000 miles in 16 months… hybrids are the worst of both worlds! Don’t worry!!

[@johnsiskin1073]

For balance, total cost of ownership also includes insurance and depreciation. Unfortunately at the moment, insurance is much more expensive for all electric cars than an equivalent fossil fuel car. Depreciation on the other hand varies enormously but some evs can drop in value by over 40% in two years. On the plus side there are some really good value 2nd hand evs, which make owning an all electric ev great long term value.

[@solentbum]

Many ICE cars also depreciate at an alarming rate, sometimes for no better reason than 'Fashion'. To a large extent an owner needs to look at how long they plan to keep any car, we all know that every car loses thousands of pounds within hours of leaving the forecourt.

[@davidlewis4399]

Insurance will only get worse as they are written off more easily. I guess home insurance will be impacted as more homes get destroyed by charching/faulty ev's.

[@johnsiskin1073]

@@davidlewis4399 I don't agree with you on both your points sorry. The insurance situation will improve when insurance companies have more data on claims, but until then it looks like they are milking ev owners. I would not worry about home insurance premiums if I was you, unless you live on a flood plane.

[@madmandonna1]

@@johnsiskin1073 My insurance only went up marginally with my Zoe compared to my Captur.

[@kurtybee2]

In the US it greatly depends on what EV u get. Teslas has very high insurance rates because of the auto pilot marketing. I bought a polestar and my rate actually went down $11. Why? Because they don’t have the negative Tesla publicity.

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

A very misleading video. Glossing over the many draw backs of EVs. These are many including the high cost of charging at public chargers anywher,that many are out of service and you waste hours of you lifè waiting to continue your journey. Whislt waitin buy expensive coffee and snacks at such place. If an EV is invloved in even a minor accident they are often written off due to the high cost of and difficulty in repairing them. Accident reapairs are very wary of them due to the risk of damaged EVs spontaneously combusting, resulting in many repairers refusing to have them on their premises. The evironmental damage caussed by the lithium mining means to that EVs are actually less environmentally friendly than an ICEcar. Thhe list goes on and on and you should if you want to be fair highlight all of the dozens of problems with EVs.

[@EXSKIN]

BS

[@Asunisland]

I’ve had my electric car for 2 months. It’s lovely to drive.

[@moonshine3333]

Wow. So no need for that costly clutch or exhaust repair. You must be so pleased. Oh, hang on, my wife’s petrol car hasn’t had those replaced yet … coming up on 9 years old. What is she doing wrong?

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

Still on honeymoon then. Just wait til that expires. You will have the fun of trying to find a charger that works or is not occupied

[@davidmack610]

Yep, likewise. I'm a classic car enthusiast and love the smells and sounds of driving my old Triumph for fun every now and then, BUT, I'm also loving my new EV, which is such a nice thing to drive day - to - day. Quite aside from the environmental benefits, it's just - well - better!

[@robw6755]

​@@Anonymous-ib8soI gather from your various comments that you're not keen on EVs and regard them as the devil incarnate 🤣

[@djtaylorutube]

​@@davidmack610snap! Although I love to drive our Stag, which has been in the family since 1976, driving the EV to Switzerland was just so much easier, nicer, less stress and waaaay cheaper!

[@RB-lt8kt]

If the battery falls below 70% capacity it will be REPLACED so not repaired. You can damage / reduce the life of the battery by constant rapid charging on a DC fast charger as stated in the owners hand book.Only 2 types of connectors in the UK. Your house is connected to the incoming supply so saying the charger is fitted directly to the incoming supply for safety is total rubbish. The charger is tapped of the incoming supply via a separate consumer unit with a RCBO breaker so is not connected via the house consumer unit. The installer does not want to touch your house electrics just like solar installers as they can then be liable for any faults and you would need the house wiring iinspected and signed off.

[@taomahNEGEV]

"Prices are going down all the time." Wrong. Exactly the other way around.

[@MCML50]

Hi you are showing an outdoor charger, is it because they are burning often or what? So the owner can not charge the EV in the garage?

[@vulpixelful]

This is a channel based on the UK, where home garages are less common. I charge in my garage just fine, nothing has ever been on fire.

[@stevenjones916]

Pay way more to buy, insurance and "fuel" than the equivalent petrol or diesel if you can't charge at home and then get clobbered by the depreciation when you try to exit. Nobody wants to buy a 10 year old laptop or phone and they sure as hell aren't going to want a 10 year old BEV.

[@markoshark4697]

I commute 130KM / Day. The lease cost for the EV is cheaper than the petrol cost for my small SUV. I'm probably going to be down say 2-3k / year overall (as i'm keeping the other vehicle for road trips, towing, camping, offroading), but over the course of the lease (5 years), I won't have put 240,000km on my SUV, which will probably be buggered after that many KMs

[@HuhWhat101]

How long is the life of the vehicle? You didn't quantify.

[@ingatestone100]

The life of any vehicle is determined by how it’s looked after by the owner .

[@jamesinglis8021]

I have had a mobility electric car rental for two years and eight months but when I renew I will only get a car that informs people dogs children that it's coming will you tell me which cars now do this as I find driving something that's completely quiet very dangerous and disterbing so much so I would rather rent a noisy diesel or petrol

[@The2follow]

Must admit to wondering what happens if you drive in a flood and it is deeper that you thought 😂

[@djtaylorutube]

What are you expecting to happen? What happens with an ICE vehicle?

[@The2follow]

@@djtaylorutube hence the laughing facing 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@djtaylorutube]

@@The2follow Biggest risk in an EV would be floating away. Nissan Leaf has a wading depth of 700mm. Tesla videos on KZbin in very deep water. Volvo XC90 waiting depth...450mm We're you expecting a different outcome?

[@davidlewis4399]

1. They are expensive unless via a company tax offset scheme. 2. The range is poor especially if you drive on the motorway and like to do over 50 mph (dont mention cold weather). 3.The charging network is a joke and it takes ages to recharge if you can find one that works and is free. 4. Any money saved is swallowed up by the insane insurance cost. 5.They lose a fortune in depreciation as most people dont want one. 6.If it catches fire make sure it is well away from your house. 7. Have an accident fair chance it will be written off or take ages for repair. 8 Sorry but they really arent green.

[@djtaylorutube]

Where to start on this one? You know what? I just can't be bothered this time. Maybe it's because I'm on my way back to broken Britain, having thoroughly enjoyed touring Switzerland in our electric car, for less cost per mile than our diesel for the same trip. Seriously, I can't even be bothered to debunk the rubbish there. 😅

[@steveoconnell3228]

I agree with item 1. I’m afraid the rest of the points you make have no resemblance to reality

[@keithlivingstone2525]

Is it.... 1. They’re 2. A 3. Waste 4. Of 5. Money?

[@MrShuttz]

1. Don't.