Segway X260 Dirt eBike | Is it really a rebranded Sur Ron?

[@ElectricCycleRider]

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[@FauxApocrypha]

The menu at the website is not working. I can't search the website for content about segways. Fyi. Thanks for the reviews. I'm seriously in the market.

[@Giandoni123]

How much is it

[@OlafThorbjorn]

I’d gladly downscale to this, specially to ride along with my kid + imagine the benefit of being able to throw 4 of them in the back of the truck instead of 2 dirt bikes. You can easily invite friends and don’t even worry about gas/oil and have a blast.

[@kendrickmelendez8185]

Hope you got some. You could also upgrade the battery for more distance

[@JohnJohnson-fm7hr]

I was looking at the Sur Ron because of the pedal system you can add for the urban riding with kids just can't figure out if you can do the same with seg

[@kendrickmelendez8185]

@@JohnJohnson-fm7hr i can confirm you can. Its the same frame

[@callspreadzero854]

@@kendrickmelendez8185 really? They have battery upgrades? What kind of distance can you get out of the upgraded battery? And pedals? You can pedal the bike like a bicycle? Sorry for belting out all the questions. I always laughed off Ebikes but more and more could see possible applications for one.

[@HawkGTboy]

I imagine that, as these catch on, people will be more free to ride them in places where gas powered dirt bikes aren’t allowed. They’re so quiet that they don’t advertise their presence like a conventional dirt bike.

[@1lifeonearth]

This bike makes me excited for life again. I want the joy this bike could bring

[@dirtdad]

I feel this bro. 🙏🏼

[@dirtdad]

I just bought a Sur Ron. It’s amazing!

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@1Lifeonearth Awesome to hear! I hope you get one! 👍

[@brian4683]

@@dirtdad hey how amny miles do you get? 17 miles at 15% seems very disappointing tbh

[@dirtdad]

@@brian4683 Sorry to hear that man. That seems really low. How old is your Sur Ron and what’s your battery management look like for you? Longest I’ve ridden mine was 16.5 miles and I was at 42% afterwards. I keep my battery in my house though and it’s always above 70 degrees while storing. I also keep it above 90% if storing for longer periods without riding. I’d definitely reach out to Luna if it’s newer.

[@gear323]

You can easily change the ReGen on the Surron as well. No app but you just do it with presses of the break leaver. You can select three ReGen levels or just turn it off on the Surron

[@rollinguptoswaysview3807]

Wow. Something tells me he's been on this trail before. He's Sonic The Hedgehogging through the woods.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Sway's View Haha, ridden it a few times for sure.

[@tonyinfinity]

Really Sonic the Hedgehog, wtf are you 50?

[@alexanderrahl482]

@@tonyinfinity So what fucking loser?

[@Mcnibbus]

SUPERNOVA sonic is for everyone you dumbass can’t believe I have to tell this to most likely a toxic 9yr old

[@WellStudied]

or he sped up the video SPEED A TAB...all it takes is one squirrei, chippy, bear, deer or... Bigfoot and he's airbor like a rocket!...learned that a couple times the hard way. I told my wife DON'T forget to scap ALL my Titanium when I pass... 2 shouldres, 2 spinal fusions, worth more than Gold!.

[@DuffMcDraw]

Looks perfect for a beer-run or to go pick up some food nearby. Way cooler than a golf cart thats for damn sure.

[@darklegion7780]

The tech is realy evolving fast those years.

[@jeffp5418]

Without the regen you will go through Shimano pads more often, the mtb brakes weren't meant for this weight. It's a small price to pay for being able to coast more

[@keithygeorgebmx]

@Yamaha R1 same here brother well over a 1000

[@94e88]

What about heavier riders? A 33lbs bike plus a 250lbs dude with gear on that is already about 300lbs. A lighter dude on this weighs the same. The pads will last fine, since you know, they are for braking.

[@keithygeorgebmx]

the bikes are 50 kgs thats 110 pounds

[@briancarey9123]

Teddy, could you please share the part #, item info or a link to the SRAM brake pads?

[@ericswild]

I have mad respect for you! I ride dual purpose motorcycles and the speed you head down that mountain is insane! Thank God for protective gear!

[@fjamesbennett8765]

I did $1500 of upgrades on my Surron and I can say 100% that you can get a better display with more controls and an over all better bike if you upgrade it on your own.

[@fjamesbennett8765]

Havent been able to find the Ride by Wire wireless throttle anywhere tho which is definitely a cool upgrade to have, wish they would come out with it somewhere for purchase

[@solyankaltd.6088]

Ferris Bennett what upgrades have you done? I got mine a mouth ago and can’t find any guide to make it faster/more versatile. Please teach me your ways.

[@KenjiFox]

@@fjamesbennett8765 By definition a "Ride by wire" throttle will never be "wireless". Pretty sure you will never find one. That said, you can buy one from Sur-Ron themselves. They are hall effect throttles with three wires. They use the typical triangle connector almost everything out of China uses.

[@fjamesbennett8765]

@@KenjiFox they have developed a wireless throttle for the Sur ron that right now is only on the segway version. Heres a link for a review of the throttle kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJacYqGCgb52pZo it's not yet for sale anywhere I can find but it's very accurately wireless

[@fjamesbennett8765]

@@solyankaltd.6088 I have bought the upgraded controller, BAC 8000 with a 72V battery from here. ebikezilla.com/en/ An upgraded motor from here. www.surronshop.com/ This website will have a 2WD kit and new controller coming out soon. racespecsurron.com/racespec/ Right now I have a 90V battery being made for the upgraded motor and I am building a custom battery cover to fit the battery on the bike, I plan to have a custom controller built from ASI once the battery is finished, motorcycle front suspension to help keep it stable and the wireless throttle once it has been released 👍 hope this helps 😎

[@fartbus]

You always do fantastic videos. One suggestion though...upconvert to a res and/or frame rate so KZbin encodes your videos in vp9 codec. It will make the high speed footage look so much cleaner and really showcase the terrain.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@jeebus Thank you for the note! I will try that. The KZbin compression really kills the POV stuff.

[@fartbus]

@@ElectricCycleRider I film mostly in 2.7k/60 but I find if I render that to 4k/60, KZbin always ends up converting to vp9. Makes pov look amazing. It takes a while for KZbin to upconvert though (few hours)

[@p__jay]

this eBike is less than my DH bike 🙈 only thing i am concerned, you go so much faster almost everywhere, so crashing will hurt also a lot more. looks super fun though 👍🏻

[@Vitamindevo]

So yeah the KZbin algorithm just suggested this video top of the list... Nice work on the channel dude! Keep up the great work. I am all for a fully electric present!

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Vitamindevo Love it! Great to hear from you Devo. Lets get you on one of these bikes soon!

[@davidhatherton6190]

Thanks for that. Getting my GrandSon into ebiking and this was very informative. I'm an old guy but raced at a pro level on pavement for over 30 years road the dirt allot, ride a specialized LEVO. We will be picking up a couple of these and modding the suspension. So Cool!

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@David Hatherton That's awesome to hear! Glad to hear you're getting another generation on 2 wheels. Have fun out there.

[@Crow_Whiskey]

That Pike's Peak metric should be a standard measurement! Good job thinking of that. It really illustrates the strength or weakness of the regen offer. When you mentioned changing the tube, that might be a helpful thing to see. I've changed tubes on a dirt bike and on a mountain bike, curious as to how something like this would differ.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@jnicholsonjr For sure! Thank you for the note! I can do a video on that at some point. The tire change is very similar to a moto tire change, just slightly narrower rims!

[@moren0d1]

ECR I was thinking you could do a Sur Ron riding skills series. Wheelies, jumping, clearing logs/obstacles, etc. I think it would be beneficial for mountain bikers transitioning to a throttle ebike.

[@IIISentorIII]

That is one beatiful looking ebike! thanks for the video and nice riding skills :) Cheers from Switzerland

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@IIISentorIII Thank you! Appreciate the support, love your country too!

[@chaseontwowheels]

I've had problems finding the app to download to control the bike. Any info on what it's called?

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@chaseontwowheels I downloaded the wrong app on my first go-around and had the same problem. Turns out there are 2 Segway apps so try downloading the different version and see if that works. If you're still having issues send me a DM on instagram @electricyclerider 👍

[@eliotgarcia45]

does this bike require a bike lock?

[@Keebrev]

Midnight Coding I mean granted you can also do that with most any other bike as well

[@markp8295]

@@eliotgarcia45 Has a master switch hidden near the battery, then a key, but it's just a sole switch so easy to bypass. It's also only about 50Kg so I recommend locking it to something.

[@Justin-cn3qu]

@@ElectricCycleRider I am a dev so I am not sure if it's worth it, let me know: I could potentially create a similar app for the sur ron. Would you think it's worth the price to pay the $1k for the app on segway or should I get the sur ron x and create an app for that and spend the 1k on forks/rims/tires?

[@Painfulwhale360]

The red abs black color scheme looks so good.

[@BrianLampright913]

Another great review, thanks guys! Very interesting your re-gen test, please post it, it's a valid test and people should know. I'm actually headed up tonight above Ogden, Utah on a 3000+ ft elevation gain trail ride (first ride on the surron) and I'm going to record battery level at top, and then at the bottom to see if there is any distinguishable gain. Low expectations after hearing your remarks. And my test is not a constant DH like Pikes Peak is....so now I'm expecting that I won't see any range gain in our decent due to all the flat sections. I'll come back and post my results. I wonder if the Surron can even do a 3k elevation gain ride? LOL. We'll find out!

[@BrianLampright913]

Samuel Bona what kind of bike rack? This thing weighs over 100lbs so if it’s a bicycle rack it better be a really beefy one. I could probably meet up for a ride in about a week....sorry this week is jam packed.

[@BrianLampright913]

We took the SurRons up a single track trail ride last night with 3000 ft elevation gain and a total of about 16 miles. My wife and dad rode them (pretty slowly) and I was shocked at the range. I rode a dirt bike with them. I was expecting the 3k of elevation to kill the battery, but after 3k ft of climbing over 8 miles they both had 60% battery. During the first 1000’ descent they gained 6% and range went up to 66% from regen. Then rest of the ride had flat areas and not as much DH and when we got to the truck they had 65% battery. I was very impressed by this, was expecting much worse. This means even with big elevation gains you could ride about 30 miles if you aren’t wide open fast riding. I will be posting a video and I’ll take it up again and ride myself at a much faster pace to compare the results of a MX racer riding one vs my wife. :) might want to follow me if you are interested in seeing these videos in about a week.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Brian Lampright Thanks as always for the support! Great to hear you've got your Sur-Rons, hope you're out enjoying them. Have fun.

[@bcrproductions3862]

Thank You Tucker for your videos, and expert advice, I expect my X260 in 20 days give or take. And I will be watching your videos, making my own, and corresponding with you on many levels. This is the video that inspired me to shell out $4,800.....I got 2 batteries

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@BCR Productions Awesome!!

[@dominicburrows7317]

How do you like it bro? Do we need licence for this bike?

[@bcrproductions3862]

@@dominicburrows7317 I Love It, it does not need license, however like in Oregon, if I'm in a rural area , no issues, the closer I get to the city, the more the law will harass you....just posted some new video @ BCR Productions on KZbin....Title "Electric Company"

[@joshuahodgin9196]

Thank you for making these videos they are absolutely amazing, educational and a blast to watch. I've been researching and looking into e bikes for my 13 year old son. But during times like these justifying spending that much money for a bikes seems impossible. Without letting his dream of a ebike die due to my budget I wanted to ask someone like you who trys all kinds of different bikes and gets sent bikes if you know of any used or cheaper bikes available that's aren't total trash. Any help is greatly appreciated and thanks again for great video content

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Joshua Hodgin Thanks for the note! The best bang for your buck right now is a Sur Ron X. It's the most affordable option available at the moment and sure your son would love it. Sometimes they can be found used at a discount. Hope you're able to track one down!

[@paulkitchen5802]

I am an advanced motorcycle street rider. I recently got a KTM 1190 adventure hoping to venture to the off road. When I realized its been 40 years since I even came close to any trail and I was breaking every rule I teach new riders. Start off light and relatively lower power. Even when I put the best off road tires on my bike I will still be on a 500 lbs 125 Hp monster trying to learn off road technique. I am still between this and a KTM 390 ICE not far off in price until you add in all the dealer fees for the KTM. Plus like you mentioned several times how quite it is so I can ride a few miles from my house and practice in a new development and not call attention to myself. Great review and information!

[@jpslayermayor9293]

Why is Segway $1500 more than Sur Ron X. The Segway app+ speed controller isnt worth that is it?

[@gmy33]

maybe they bring it to europe .. surron is $5k overhere .. something with import and such ..

[@aflacduck2]

I say no. For far far less than $1,400 you can get an ERT BAC8000 controller + NXT screen and get all those features and more along with a 300 amp capable controller. Check out Jack Cecils Sur Ron videos and you'll see. I would not buy a Segway Sur Ron for $5,000 when you can wait a bit, save $1,400 and buy the best controller on the market AND STILL have money left over for tires and brakes.

[@jackgillin]

Hi I work for Segway and we are not $1,500 different. We are much more price competitive than that plus our version has lights ($250 from Luna) and ride by wire ($ not sure but it’s more!) - want more than black? We have silver, red and blue. Double check our specs and value point and national presence.

[@aflacduck2]

@@jackgillin What can you possibly have changed to make the $1500 worth it? Btw my factory sur ron has ride by wire. Afaik the Segway light is the same as the sur ron. And it was $200(not $250, stop being sleazy and be honest if you are going to represent Segway). So what else? I dont see anything. If anything I want someone to open up a Segway battery pack and make sure you guys didnt cheap out on literally half the cost of the bike. Considering I KNOW sur ron sells these for $2300 before shipping, tariffs and fees. I think you guys are just trying to make fast cash. I hope you dont destroy this amazing platform from your greedy bean counters.

[@jackgillin]

TTmore 1. You are inflating the price difference 2. You aren’t comparing exact apples to apples 3. You have direct imported a bto option most likely. Good luck on doing this on an ongoing basis. It’s fraught with difficulties. 4. You didn’t mention the lights that we include standard compared to the Luna X 5. I do really work for Segway directly and we are the largest shareholder of this platform - so we put our money where our mouth is. www.linkedin.com/in/jackgillin/ 6. We are bringing awareness to this category in a major way 7. We compare very fabourably within our category and even outside of our category. 8. Luna only reduced their prices when we came into the market... 9. Your sleazy and bean counter remarks are the least intelligent arguments that you put forward... without substantiation 10 Watch Tucker’s video again - we come out pretty well.

[@isabellam1936]

Wow just wow. Why aren't more people talking about this bike? It definitely gets a 10 out of ten for looks, it just drop dead gorgeous. Edirtbikes are amazing because you can take it everywhere where a lot of trains are illiterate to gas powered vehicles like motorized dirtbikes or GoPeds (gas powered scooters).

[@tjt615]

Dude you are flying !

[@christianmihordin2675]

being 15 in a small town i recommend you get this bike if you take good care of it it will take you just about anywhere

[@M3films.]

Appreciate the great review, the price is nice. The review helped, probably looking at the KTM Freeride E-XC. Just knowing if I want to be more aggressive and develop my riding. For the more casual rider or entry-level rider, this seems like a great fit. Thanks!

[@tjmec]

Thanks for the information, it helped me ordered the x260 and I really like the bike.Very quiet and is great for trail riding.It's light and easy to control.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@tjmec Awesome! Enjoy the bike! 👍

[@chakadog100]

Dude you are hauling the freakin' mail!

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Torque Monkey Haha! Send it!

[@odingnarles]

Rider to rider Even if you know your sport Always have instant access with another person present when riding! Accidents do happen I only say this from experience Please be safe Besides that great review!! Gonna get one for hunting !!

[@ElectricCycleRider]

Thanks!

[@LarryRichelli]

I bought a Sur Ron from luna and it got stolen in the first month. I went out and bought a Yamaha WR250 R and love it. A 250 that has the most HP of any 250 sold. Can run 70mph all day and still do all the trails.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Deserthi Bummed to hear that man. I used to have a WR250 some years ago too, fun bike! Enjoy!

[@Luba_z_mesta]

The regen,, to me, is great for long cruise downhill more than for getting range back. Imagine holding the break almost all time during downhiling pikes peak.

[@allinonethegreat]

I have the ninebot max idk what should it be on or really what’s the difference between low or high so I have it on medium what should it be on and what’s the difference between low and high ?

[@twots22]

Wow wow wow! Love the customizations!!! Electric is the new GO!!!

[@lucyfyrearchoftwilight9282]

Can't wait for solid-state batteries to make these perfect.

[@neogator26]

Love this! I have 2 Segway E unicycles and have really come to love their app. I like that the X260 is a lot like the Sur Ron X.

[@genuinevibes437]

It’s actually better. I have one and the Segway goes faster stock. Mine hit 51 mph but with my bag and me being 180 it goes about 47

[@neogator26]

@@genuinevibes437 Fantastic! Segway for the win!

[@toybotgaming9634]

When it comes to Regen, I think it suffers a naming problem. You are right, it doesn't regen well at all. However, I love how much it slows the bike down. I miss it when using EP mode on my Sur Ron. It should just be called Motor Braking and I think most of the criticism goes away.

[@dylanwebber763]

Well put. I live in a hilly town and I use the regen solely to slow me down on steep downhills in the interest of not wearing the brakes out

[@toybotgaming9634]

@@dylanwebber763 I just love the feel. To me the bike seems alot more stable under Motor Braking than without it. I think not having to use the brakes and whatever little Regen are just tiny little sprinkles ontop of the nice cake of stability when cruising. For the intense fast stuff it doesn't really exist but sometimes I like to have my 3.5 y/o son ride 2 up with me and the Motor Braking is super nice in those cases :)

[@KenjiFox]

It is called Regenerative braking. It does take kinetic energy and convert it back into electricity. The name is accurate.

[@toybotgaming9634]

@@KenjiFox Hmmmm I would still disagree. For it to have the Regen part, it would need to actually have Regen play a role. Even with Teslas, they currently do not actually Regen well at all. This has to do with batteries not liking that much energy at once so most of it turns into waste heat in the controller. At best you can say EGB(Electric Generating Brakes) cause the energy is not really being Regen back in a meaningful enough way right now.

[@markhotta9576]

It does not regen.

[@Jeremy.Nevermore]

I randomly came across your video, but knew within seconds where you were after seeing the background and hearing the humming bird. I live in Woodland Park and love our backyard to play in. Nice work riding!

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@6ix That's right! Thanks!

[@moren0d1]

Another great video! I’d like to see an ebike gear video. Choosing an appropriate helmet DH MTB vs MX, gloves, shoes, pads, etc.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@ATCr Sounds good! I can put that together. Thanks for the suggestion. 👍

[@ronaldtartaglia4459]

ATCr can’t you figure that out by yourself? Helmet type really? Must be a millennial.

[@moren0d1]

Ronald Tartaglia why so negative? Not everyone is going to have a MX or MTB background. Don’t be an intolerant asshole. Thank you Tucker.

[@tjs4519]

160 with gear! clearly my mans is getting more exercise than I am haha! Thanks for the review!

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@TJ S 😂👍

[@Dream_Weapon]

Yes it REALLY IS a re-branded Sur Ron.

[@judasblewit]

For almost double the cost?

[@Dream_Weapon]

@@judasblewit Yes. Same hardware, slightly different different software. That's it.They spring on the rear shock is a different colour. Sur Ron must have had a surplus in the red springs for the Segway order because they've started putting them on Sur Rons for a recent order.

[@judasblewit]

@@Dream_Weapon oh wow. Ok thank you so if I ever come up with the funds I'll go Sure Ron 🤙

[@deanferries7766]

Regent is really better for power brakes than charging and for that it's great saves my brake pads for sure and keeps rotor temps down key is getting the hall sensor adjustment right so it comes on first before your pads

[@dolphyy3122]

Bears and mountain lions will be like, f-ck that dude again, no lunch again, cant keep up too fast. Some people are so lucky to be able to afford and enjoy that kind of toy. haay.

[@Noadvantage246]

It's definitely affordable to literally everyone at that price. The real question is how bad do you want one and how much would you be willing to save/sacrifice for it? Even if you don't make much it'd probably only take a year or 2 tops to scrape together enough for one.

[@robertmuckle2985]

Compared to a decent MTB...these are dirt cheap!!! Just shows how MTB mfrs are raping the masses!

[@datjeepcray4188]

Those are some SICK trails- and this dude rode the shit out of them. I want one...

[@ocotillooutlaws4101]

Great content! Do you still have the x260? If so what other upgrades/mods have you done And how is it holding up? I have the X260 also and for what it is, it shreds!

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Ocotillo Outlaws The most current build is a Sur Ron X but would do the same exact mods to the X260 if given the option! Check it out on our channel.

[@flow_922]

So you recommend this I just seen an ad for one that was really good price I would like to purchase it but I don't know anything about it and the price is so good it's kind of concerning is this a decent e-bike?

[@ocotillooutlaws4101]

@@flow_922 do your research! I bought mine new and it still shreds😎

[@biketothetop]

Nice to see this video and get your feedback on this bike with the contrast to Sur Ron. I wonder if Luna is just selling off their inventory of bikes now at $3600 for the Black edition. I wonder what it would cost to upgrade this bike with proper suspension, brakes, tires, tubes and handlebars? Which fork would you choose? That would provide a proper comparison to a real dirt bike, but of course still not nearly the same.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@biketothetop Thank you! Yes, I did an upgrade video for the Sur-Ron and should have some costs associated in the comments or links in the description. The prices always change and you can a-la-carte what you're most interested in. I am actually working on a suspension video in the coming weeks specifically for these bikes. Without giving too much away, I have a hack for upgrading the suspension for low cost. In the meantime, the handful of forks I would recommend are Fox 40, Ohlins DH38, Manitou Dorado, DVO Emerald or Rockshox Boxxer. Not necessarily in that order but those are all great offerings.

[@biketothetop]

@@ElectricCycleRider thanks, I'll look for your other video.

[@nazcaplain]

If you rode a trail like that here in Florida by the end of your ride you'd be completely covered in spiders and webs. Also: great review!

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@David Sanborn Haha! For sure! I'm familiar... I filmed this video down at Croom kzbin.info/www/bejne/aafGeYWddsetg9k Thanks for the note!

[@JaeDee66]

You can modify the Regen brake on the sur ron from 3 heaviest 2 light 1 off

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@JD For sure, that wasn't public information until after I posted this video. Thanks for pointing it out! 👍

[@johnnyperkins2333]

youtube algorithm showed me this and I love this Sur-ron. But it is over my budget. Can you review X-Class from Ariel Rider E-bikes ?

[@Noadvantage246]

This is pretty much as cheap as it gets while still being worth getting imo. You should probably just save up for it or if you're really strapped get the bafang 1000w motor and convert an used MTB. With some tinkering, a overclock, and gearing you can make a bike just as fast or slightly faster than this for less. Of course it's going to be a much more involved process.

[@441rider]

I run regen off an intermittent button on handle bars so my hydraulics are isolated on levers. Sur Ron should be easy to divert the brake signal wire to button.

[@mikeeh20]

Looks savage !! great review as always :D

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@mikeeh20 Right on! Good to hear from you and thanks for watching.

[@SoloDAngelo]

Can someone please tell me if you need any motorcycle endorsement for this? Also can your ride this legally wherever normal Bicycles can go?

[@kekfreedomheritage5633]

Looks like you are going very fast on the trail.

[@jclar3565]

Rode all the way down Pikes Peak and only obtained 2% regen power. That's a riot. I think it's an industry secret that it's just a safety feature to pre brake you a little bit

[@choppaj247]

Thank you so much for this vid. Can't tell you how much this just helped me decide on buying the Segway

[@straight2curveus]

Fake

[@choppaj247]

@@straight2curveus what's fake?

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Jay Nix Thank you!

[@choppaj247]

@manboobs odd assumption and if so honestly.... I don't give a fuck lol. Drive 2.5hrs to Segway dealer yesterday to preorder my black x260 which will be in next week.

[@choppaj247]

@@ElectricCycleRider anytime brother. Can't wait to Ride

[@larrymacdonald4241]

Regen depends on many things, motor windings, controller mosfets, thickness of traces on controller board, type and size of wire used.... I always over build but, I use 8g silicone wire for motor phase wires, high strand count, tinned copper core, not copper coated aluminum core.. so high strand count, high conductivity, low resistance... I use 12g wires for the short distance from outside motor, to inside, usually Deans wire, the best there is IMO.. some controllers, limit amps in regen to protect battery, very few batteries have protection for the power side, EM3EV is about the only one I know who does. Regen can spike huge amount of amps, so to protect controller and battery, it is limited usually or you fry controllers. The software you show, is very similar to the yoyangking controllers who make them for Daymak etc.. and probably the one you are riding on.... check out lyen.com he builds kickass controllers in the US.

[@benjithehunter]

Meh, 2%-4% regen all the way down pikes peak is crap no matter what angle you look at it. Unless you have slick tires it seems like you'd be better off coasting whenever you want.

[@keithreeder]

"Is it really a rebranded Sur Ron?" Yes. Next question?

[@laurentguetto7622]

Why next question ??

[@BrainyBrunetteBarbie]

Keith Reeder is street legall

[@reee_4067]

More like Sur ron and segway x260 are rebranded chinese light bee bikes

[@laurentguetto7622]

@@BrainyBrunetteBarbie Yes , legall street

[@TheDataRecovery]

@@reee_4067 rebranded with a premium cell. Rebranded yes but it have panasonic cells.

[@Kovacsalt]

Which e-bike would you recommend? Like the best, Idc about the price

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Kovach It depends what terrain but my favorite for off-road is currently the KTM Freeride E-XC. It rides most like a dirt bike and has good power, suspension, ergonomics, brakes etc. Enjoy!

[@LarryRichelli]

The new sur Ron's from Luna come with an option for a belt drive!

[@swesleyc7]

Can you tell me what the benefit of the belt drive is?

[@lilypower]

Dichotomy & Balance silence mostly, and no lubing

[@swesleyc7]

@@lilypower Ok. Would they also need to be replaced more frequently? Is stretching a large concern?

[@KSEEEE7]

Luna doesn’t even give you a estimated price i was on the Website Yesterday Luna Website doesn’t have any prices either just one color

[@garrettbowman8125]

Where would you recommend buying an eBike and what options would be recommended for lower budget / starter bike? I would love to get my hands on an eBike but I dont have a lot of disposable income to drop all at one time, and im hesitant on wasting money on a bike that will break or I won't be able to warranty or repair myself.

[@cryptic_void3225]

Can I ride this thing in the streets of Long Island

[@timmyjumbo4262]

Most likely ins classified as a biycle

[@Jason-nosaJ]

No, long Island sucks. I got a meaningless citation for riding in the street. But I'm in Suffolk.

[@harmonresto]

BING BONG

[@bauke-LV426]

No way... 😳 Awesome! A (sort of) silent bike, how cool is that! You mentioned at 7:25 that it feels like rinding a mountainbike. So in what way can this beast and an mtb be compared? Can you tell a little more on that?

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Bauke van Bloemenhuis For sure! It's about half the weight of a modern dirt bike and has mountain bike suspension, so it feels a lot like a MTB when you ride it. It feels very light and nimble and is best to be ridden that way. Enjoy!

[@mrlarrybobjr]

Do you have video where you have a larger rear sprocket? I need more rip for mud and hills not top speed.

[@bcrproductions3862]

And I need the opposite ...Top Speed Please!

[@addisonbrock7207]

Sur-ron now has a way to reprogram Regen strength or turn it off. Not as fancy as the app but it works. Luna posted a video a couple days ago.

[@kceadventures9171]

Gotta get me one of these 🥳🥳

[@JESSEHARTBRASIL]

Just ordered mine should arrive on the 30th super stoked !

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Jesse Hart Enjoy!

[@JESSEHARTBRASIL]

Thanks 😊. Much appreciated. Do you have Instagram ? Or Facebook

[@asmr-everything630]

Do you need to register it for street use? I hear anything electric don’t require registration?

[@thumpertalk]

Depends upon the state. Some states rate ebikes based upon wattage, if they have pedal assist and if you get that assist when pedaling only or if by throttle alone as well. They typically have mph caps too, usually around 20. Regardless, check your state laws.

[@Ishment]

Man this is sick. I’m gonna get one of these in the near future, but I’m torn between getting this one or the Sur Ron X black edition. I don’t ride hard or anything, I’m just not sure which one is better. I like the app a lot, i dislike that the Sur Ron doesn’t include it

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@N8 They're both great bikes. Enjoy!

[@goose4342]

I haven't rode since my early 20's but I'm just curious how would this fair speed wise vs a 125 2 stroke? Since electric motors get all their torque at once seems like it would be easy for this thing to get away from with it's light weight.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Steven Vaughn It's a very different experience than a 125 2 stroke because it has a very linear power curve, whereas a 125 is a bit of a light switch depending what RPM you're in. It's a very easy bike to ride. Probably easier than a 110 4 stroke. And really similar in power too. The Segway / Surron comes on quicker than a 110 in power but it's very tame overall in comparison to a MX bike. You should try one out Steven!

[@goose4342]

@@ElectricCycleRider I would love to, I'm more of a four wheeler guy these days (daughter), I spend all my money on her but honestly I don't mind, these days all I care about is peace and quiet. I bet with that linear power curve and instant torque this thing is awesome in the mountains. thank you

[@jpesicka492]

Looks like a casual care free experience, can't speak on how this bike feels at all, but I have a few bikes, one being a 2001 cr 125 and its the most fun I've had on a dirtbike. Only ebikes I have are beach cruisers that do 25 so I can't compare myself.

[@tims-whims]

The Sur-ron regen can also be set to the same 4 setting without the app. You cant set it on the fly but it can be done in less then 5 minutes manually.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Timothy Blodgett For sure. That wasn't public knowledge when I made this video, otherwise I would have pointed that out too. Thanks for posting about it.

[@deathmen205]

Anyone have $4000 really love it

[@choppaj247]

4500+tax😉

[@deathmen205]

From Philippines hiii

[@choppaj247]

I'll check back in hopefully sometime this week to answer this. 😉👍

[@shefas]

too expensive srsly, i wish ebikes cost would be up to 2k...

[@deathmen205]

I change my mind i buy Escooter

[@MINIHAHA1]

How long does the battery last for. What happens when you are out riding in the pine Barron's and the battery dies? Are you done for the day? I usually ride all day when I go out. I thought when the quiet cat came out it was a cool bike to use to get to the tree stand and served a purpose but I just don't get it and I'm not hating on it but I think it takes away from the experience of what a dirt bike should be like. Just my two cents.

[@carbide1968]

Great review. See guys add the lightspeed battery and a controller and go 80mph. Stock is good though.

[@alaskanalain]

It's essentially a mountain bike, can it go 80mph safely for years without wheel hubs falling apart?

[@kingsleyokwudili3206]

This is great. Please I’ll like to know if the bike has a gear.

[@mortenberg2897]

Any bears where you ride? (Could generate a bit of rangeanxiety 😂)

[@Pittsburgh-412]

You can turn off regen now on the lb x. I would turn it off because like you said in this video, that will kill the battery life. Its like charging your phone and for 2 percent then unplug it, then plug it and so on. I always charge lithium ion battery when it gets under 10 percent left but never let it fully die. The no regen is the way to go imo

[@shadyhill1476]

that thing kind of rips, can you ride that on the road or would you have to register it ?

[@WhoTfIsMark]

Sur Ron sells a pedal kit for the bike, so you could put that on and beat a ticket, arguing it's pedal assisted. Here in NYC, if an ebike is pedal assisted and goes under 25mph, it counts as a bicycle. You'd then be able to ride unregistered and without a helmet.

[@larrymacdonald4241]

Depends on country, in Canada, it has to be a max of 500 watts, can only reach 32 kph after a certain distance, it must have pedals and there are a few other things. I use ebike controllers with a 3 speed switch, in low bike is street legal, because of the pre-set power level in the controller. Most set them 50%/75% and 100 %. but there are many controllers you can program, yoyangking makes many bluetooth models, ebikes.ca has a compter programable one, the most features of any controller, based on a controller made in Canada by OSI. You really have to check your local laws to be certain, if USA, each state is different.

[@wingosolar888]

We have the Segway dirt bike X260 in stock,we can do DDP to UK,EU and USA

[@mysticglassworks]

16 mies ?? segway claims up to 74. Thats a big difference. ?????

[@outsidewithquad8123]

HUGE DIFFERENCE

[@ecotentsalida]

claims 74 in eco mode. Tucker had the dials up all the way and basically at full throttle most of the ride....big difference. Apple claims hours and hours of web use and music on their battery, but it doesn't get it.

[@benjithehunter]

Unfortunately 20 miles to 0% are real world figures, not what Segway is pushing on paper.

[@frankkollar2278]

You can get 74 miles per charge if you do not exceed 8 miles per hour

[@benjithehunter]

Segway is a monster company living off of their stock, they go for show, not honesty.

[@DennisDural]

If you had to choose between the Sur-Ron X and the Segway, which one is more reliable? I’m trying to decide because price point and alternative parts maybe to be more available somewhat with the Sur-Ron X here in the U.S. Segway has an app but how is the support for updates. I’ve seen the videos for the Sur-Ron to get full power & to me that seems less troublesome than an app that may glitch. I really want to get a edirtbike and it’s so much money I’m nervous to which bike I should get. I have a SUPER73 and the best thing about their company is the Warranty and their commitment to help their customers, so if something fails on their bikes I know it will be taken care... eventually. Thank you for your video, and hopefully at some point I’ll be able to purchase either a Sur-Ron or Segway. I’m just curious which bike you like best.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Dragonballzgtvegeta At this point, I've only dealt with Luna Cycle with any issues that I've had with the Sur-Ron's I've owned. They have had really good customer service and been a big help. I haven't run into any issues with the X260 at this point. Not because of the bike but just think it's luck of the draw

[@laurentguetto7622]

Bonjour, top speed?

[@Oblivionsurveyor]

you can customize the regen on the surron x too. used the break levers or something to program it. friend of mine has one

[@The_Daliban]

1:29 how is the display already broken?

[@Nizm0Mike]

Thanks for the vid. I really like mine. It's very capable and so much fun to just turn on and ride. I think you are riding it way harder than most people would haha. Appreciate the links to the parts as well. Already looking at that trials style rear tire and better brake pads in the future.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Mike Bartram Thanks so much! Glad to hear you're out enjoying yours! The Shinko trials tire is great for the type of terrain I'm riding but you can also consider going with a 70/100-19 or 80/100-19(front tire in the rear) if you need a more aggressive tread pattern. Always feel free to reach me on instagram @electriccyclerider if you have any specific questions too. Enjoy the ride!

[@Nizm0Mike]

@@ElectricCycleRider Good info! My petrol bike is a trials so I'm usually doing lower speed maneuvering with lots of traction in the woods. Wish I had some trails like you have nearby! I have some but it's not really single track. More for sidexside use but fun for speed.

[@JaMayhem]

How well would these keep up with something like a Honda sr250. I imagine the ranges is limited but how does the speed / handling compare

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Mayhem Mahan I've ridden the Yamaha SR250 before and that is one great little bike. So bulletproof! If that's what you're thinking of, the Segway will have more torque off the line up to about 40mph but the SR250 will pull far away when the speeds get higher. The Segway weighs less than half of an SR250 and feels that way when you're riding. If you're thinking of a Honda XR250, most of the same thoughts apply 😂 Another bulletproof bike that will be beat off the line but will pass the Segway at higher speeds. More range. Heavier and not as nimble. Hope this helps!

[@McV1214]

5:19 bro that's fast damn

[@MISTERBOLD]

They’re going to end up putting a speed limit sign on that trail because of you 😅

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Medal Mold Haha! 👍

[@ecotentsalida]

I live here in CO, probably close to you...in Monumnet. I am a current moto rider just looking to access local MTB trails for more training. My X260 should be here shortly and this video came at a great time. Thank you! 3 questions I have: 1) which cam was your on-board, the GP7 or Sony? And what frame size and FPS were you running? 2) have you had a chance to ride in eco mode and test the range? 3) is the suspension travel really only 3" as the website says or is it 8" like the Sur Ron? Thanks for posting the parts list! That’s super helpful as well. Subscribed!

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Gene Carbonell Hey Gene, awesome to hear you're nearby and glad you'll be riding your new bike soon. The on-board camera I'm using is the GoPro Hero 7 and I'm shooting at 24FPS and usually 1080p. I know 4K would be better but it lags in the edit and I'm usually editing on the road on my laptop. I rarely ride the bike in eco mode so I have not tested the range in that setting yet. The bike has more than 3" of suspension travel. 8" is approximately correct for the fork. Thanks for your support and let me know how you like the bike! 👍

[@ecotentsalida]

Electric Cycle Rider Thanks for the reply. I have a 7 and just got an 8. I didn’t even think to try and shoot and 24 frames per second. Do you use the stabilization?

[@ElectricCycleRider]

Yes sir, I do!

[@BrianLampright913]

IF you are considering buying a SurRon, my advice is HURRY UP AND GET OFF THE FENCE. Why? I suspect the prices on them will shoot up very soon. The Segway is$1400 more, the KTM is almost 3x more, and other competitors are now coming out that are in the $7000-$8000 range. Better buy now while these things are crazy low prices, $3600 is a steal for what you get compared to all other comparisons. This is the same price as a decent (not high-end) mountain bike!!!

[@alexzanderarmstrong]

Brian Lampright do you have one? I’d love to rip one on moto track

[@BrianLampright913]

@@alexzanderarmstrong It just arrived yesterday, I purchased one for my family and my dad also purchased one, so 2 in the family. I'll be taking mine on an MX track at some point, from my initial impressions I think it would be fun on a beginner MX track, but not so fun on a full tilt big jump track. I actually think the perfect type of track for this bike is closer to a BMX jump track rather than a big MX track. But I have less than an hour seat time so far...

[@jackgillin]

Hi I work for Segway and we are not $1,500 different. We are much more price competitive than that plus our version has lights ($250 from Luna) and ride by wire ($ not sure but it’s more!) - want more than black? We have silver, red and blue. Double check our specs and value point and national presence.

[@BrianLampright913]

Jack Gillin good points thanks for adding this info.

[@gsu1972crew]

The X260 has a 220.5 lbs. max payload while the Sur Ron X has a max payload of 286.6 lbs. I'm curious if they even have a different chassis to warrant the load increase.

[@congerscott6064]

$5000 and $1500 for a new battery, way too rich for my blood, i was hoping it would cost less than the sur ron, what a disappoint , don't get me wrong, they are both great bikes and im sure they are worth every penny but way out of my budget👍.

[@inside_line_media]

Yeah they should make one for less than a grand or like 1,200.00 - 799.00

[@seedlessgrapes2605]

Thanks for your clear response a lot of people just talk shit with no understanding of the actual value and it sucks to be broke I totally get you

[@seedlessgrapes2605]

@@inside_line_media and they should make a Rolex that cost $500 but how is that possible how can you make a Rolex for $500 and how can you make a bike like this for less than 4000 it's impossible but it's great wishful thinking

[@congerscott6064]

@@MTO_Brothers Then go buy one !

[@davecook81]

Love your videos! I live in Colorado Springs and recently got a Super73 Mojave. Do you think it would make it to the top of Pikes Peak?

[@lit3plumber12]

I can imagine a dystopia like Watch Dogs where I just hack this dude's phone and off he goes. lol.

[@seedlessgrapes2605]

Ha

[@rcorser1]

Another great at review.....I’ve heard the Segway is 1500 plus more than suron....is the freewheel worth it? Also, will you please do a “upgrade ultimate wish list” video to build the perfect bike with all the bells/whistles? Would be great!!

[@jackgillin]

Hi I work for Segway and we are not $1,500 different. We are much more price competitive than that plus our version has lights ($250 from Luna) and ride by wire ($ not sure but it’s more!) - want more than black? We have silver, red and blue. Double check our specs and value point and national presence.

[@rcorser1]

Jack Gillin awesome response. What’s your web site? Thanks

[@aflacduck2]

@@rcorser1 Don't listen to his lies. We have a convo going on in another comment tree where I point out where he is LYING. Do not listen to his sleaze.

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Robert Corser Absolutely can do that. I did a Top 5 Mods video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqXCqGB4mr6seLM The biggest things not pointed out here are the fact that I'm running a Rockshox Boxxer fork. I would definitely recommend upgrading fork/shock depending on what you have on your bike. The foot pegs are very dull and should be upgraded. Also running a standard 420 chain (non o-ring) for less resistance. Depending on your terrain/riding style, I'd also suggest changing the rear 48 tooth sprocket to a 54 or 60. Hand guards if you're in the trees a lot. Ride by wire throttle is pretty cool when it becomes available to purchase. Lastly, if you've got the money and interest, a 72v battery and controller would also be a big upgrade. Man, that's a lot huh? Now the Sur-Ron costs as much as the KTM Freeride E-XC. Haha. You can easily get really carried away with it.

[@weeb121]

Hell yeah im hitin a tree 😂😂

[@genuinevibes437]

😂😂😂😂

[@fvfgx]

Damn I bet you are good at Dance Dance revolution because how quickly those trees are coming up and your reaction to them lololol

[@magzire]

1:22 wtf is that weld

[@michelleprocaccini-roberts6756]

What a helpful video, Tucker, thanks so much for posting! I'm a quad enthusiast and am considering an electric dirt bike because they're so much quieter. We ride on legal, private property but new homes are going up close by. I ride in similar conditions as you. Did you replace your Segway's fork yet? If so, what did you get and would you recommend it? Thanks and keep the great videos coming. :)

[@ElectricCycleRider]

@Michelle Procaccini-Roberts Thank you! Yes, I have tried a few fork options. More to come on that but it really boils down to how much you want to spend. You can revalve the fork and shock (just posted a video about that) or if you have the money, the Fox 40 has been a really nice option. Appreciate the support!

[@nathannomad984]

A bunch of babble, not much said! You repeated good bang for your buck over and over, but I never heard a price once? Boring video!

[@CalamityBYC1]

nathan nomad it’s 5k and sold out

[@nathannomad984]

@@CalamityBYC1 thanks for the info.

[@boracay12]

Pricey 🤪 ,then theirs the running out of juice thing . Gas powered bike . 2 minutes ,its gassed up . This ? How many hours to recharge?

[@lilypower]

santa fe, bantayan island life well, About 100km is more then I think I’ll ever drive in one session anyway, thought I’m mostly cruising shorter distances 😃 yes cruising with dirt bikes, living rural 😂

[@boracay12]

@@lilypower yes they are interesting . But Im going for price. and a 150 chinese enduro can be had for $1300 us .or a honda for $1800 us . .so i could actually buy 2 motorcycles .

[@jimieljoseph2322]

Now we're talkin. I need something fast and quiet to get in and out of BF and Dogman populated areas in my neck of woods. For me thats a form of freedom.

[@jimieljoseph2322]

@Steve Bigfoot and Dogmen are both cryptids that are present in my wooded areas. Not a joke.

[@jimieljoseph2322]

@Conan-the-Barbarian Bryant-420 Without a doubt.

[@CS-ee6nl]

Spent my entire life deep in the PNW forest... Grew up in the mountains... The shit you have to fear isn't cryptids or animals at all it's other human beings...