Can the Mantis 8 Pro Beat Apollo's Ghost for Best Performance Value? | Scooter Showdown

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

What two scooters would you like to see go head to head next? Leave a comment down below! Kaabo Mantis 8 Pro: geni.us/Pky00?track=yt Apollo Ghost: geni.us/h04R?track=yt

[@mclilchayne]

Found these both for the same price, which would you recommend?

[@brianmcmanus4286]

I got my dual 500W motor Kaabo Mantis 8 from Kaabo for $999USD delivered. 26mph top speed, I'm seeing about a 19 mile real range. Pretty sweet!

[@crossoutdude6769]

Is this sarcasm😂

[@BGD.2980]

I got two Air Pros for Christmas, one for me and my 13 year old boy. He's very hard to get out and play, but loves it every time we take the dog for a run. But I'm left with wanting more. I pulled the trigger last night and bought the Ghost.. To me, in this video, the Ghost wins hands down. They are so close, the extra $500 is not even close to a consideration to spend for the "little" more you'd get for it.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

That’s awesome to hear! Enjoy your new ride! Thanks -Vosk

[@zeppast]

In my opinion it's the Ghost hands down it's faster and $500 cheaper. In terms of breaks you could easily buy a hydraulic break kit for the Ghost and it would still be either the same price or cheaper then the Mantis 8. You simply cannot beat the Ghost in terms of value there's nothing else on the market like it right now.

[@coreygilbert62]

You can buy with hydro breaks it's a option on there site

[@yanassi]

And i’d add the folding bars for portability

[@ZenDaGod]

I believe the outstorm is in the same class for its price range vs features. It's in its own class just like the ghost. Just a step above.

[@Stevioslawgeek1979]

They are both clones anyway so you can just get them both for 1000 to 1200 max shipped.

[@frankcastle1578]

@@Stevioslawgeek1979 get them from where?

[@brandonsaunders3871]

Been waiting for this!!

[@ratchfordgeorge]

My Ghost is going to have the Mantis for dinner.

[@ApolloScooters]

Yes!!! :)

[@hikemoreh96pro]

@@ApolloScooters my next purchase will be an Apollo, still undecided between ghost or phantom

[@posyp3k]

@@hikemoreh96pro go for phantom

[@erickufo]

@@posyp3k A little over budget :(

[@tespoonful]

@@hikemoreh96pro a

[@pusokongpinas6965]

Got the Ghost 22 its freakishly awesome! First time owner of any scooter here!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

That’s amazing! Thanks for sharing.

[@Matt-ns9ke]

How’s the ghost going?? Problems? How many miles you at?

[@pusokongpinas6965]

@@Matt-ns9ke 1200km no issues, got a V1 phantom for cheap so ride time is split between the two. Honestly Ghost is still my fav to run.

[@prestonwhitaker1347]

The ghost may be untouchable as far as performance for the money!!!!

[@RGrider311]

True!

[@Scoobmcdumpster612]

That's what did it for me!

[@rexluminus9867]

The Ghost has a way better start up torque & getaway speed A+!! + $500 less.+ Better frame and Dina volt battery,2 years limited warranty!!! 🔥👍👍😎. Can't beat that. Also better more range adjustable suspensions. 🔥 The winner is the Ghost 👍

[@64north20west]

I wanted to know more about the Apollo line since I saw a woman rolling off the Path train with one a few weeks ago. She looked badass. Ready to be in a marketing campaign. Good video.

[@ChrisOzar]

Hoboken or JC? I want to get a ghost.

[@jjwalker9845]

Thinking about getting my first scooter going with the ghost I believe what's the upgrade?

[@octapc]

My advice is to check battery manufacturer for scooters this year as I just found a Mantis 10 Dual with a different brand battery.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

What was the new battery manufacturer?

[@octapc]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide DMEGC dated Oct 12th 2020. 26E series

[@rexluminus9867]

Lot's of shady practices!!!

[@chrishall3008]

good review!

[@marcpodfleur]

why not mantis 8 pro vs vsett 9+?

[@Greg-vg1pt]

Oooo that'd be a good showdown!

[@umiumi2638]

This comes down to price point. If someone had the money, they probably wont choose either of these beautiful escoots. I'd say ghost.

[@voetbal12]

Then what they choose?

[@umiumi2638]

@@voetbal12 apollo pro and mantis pro if money was not the issue.

[@geefee713]

Just passed 1100 miles on my ghost. Love it! Great for the wet Seattle hills.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Awesome! Enjoy your Apollo Ghost.

[@pusokongpinas6965]

Wow im up here in Vancouver BC so similar weather! Looking forward to continue riding through fall and winter! Stay safe have fun!

[@Matt-ns9ke]

How’s the ghost going?? Problems? How many miles you at?

[@phongers87]

4:30 "You have to FUCKS with the handlebars..." 😂😂😂

[@rexluminus9867]

Well an extra 3 seconds! Than buy an UNAGI. 😂😎

[@jacklong9619]

Short term I’m betting Mantis, Long term Ghost since Apollo actually has customer service

[@AX5Terminator]

Fluidfreeride has been pretty helpful to me so far.

[@Passport-Bro]

Fluid Free Ride will help you out more than Apollo. Apollo likes to talk about their customer service, but from what I’ve seen, it’s all hot air.

[@benjaminm5232]

@@Passport-Bro Apollo's customer service is amazing. I had one scooter with damage to it during shipping and another that had a mechanical flaw and both times they sent me replacements. This is why I just purchased my 3rd scooter from them.

[@Passport-Bro]

@@benjaminm5232 Good to hear. Glad they helped you. I personally know others who were not so lucky with Apollo.

[@josephcole1570]

Fluid free ride don't even respond back on time. Or even have the parts you need for your scooter.

[@perpe2ual143]

I’ve been torn between these two rides as my next, mantis pro or Apollo pro/ghost ....... looking forward to it!

[@axiosw0774]

Ghost has tubed tires, don't do it I guess

[@Bustercherryy]

Save your money for a wolf king gt. Ghost is a piece of trash

[@JadeaRS4]

How?

[@Bustercherryy]

@@JadeaRS4 bought one and tire went flat first ride. Sent it back right away

[@rexluminus9867]

@@axiosw0774 yes,inner tubes but 10" wheels. 👍

[@voetbal12]

Now do the Apollo Phantom... so hard to keep track of these releases. Wish companies would just name them 1,2,3,4,5 etc

[@RGrider311]

I really like the names. I feel like I have a harder time keeping track of models the way BMW does it, and I have one! Can't wait for the Phantom!

[@axiosw0774]

@@RGrider311 It's not that hars You name a category City - your light reliable lineup and then say apollo city 1, 2, 3 Explorer - your outdoorsy lineup, explorer 1, 2, 3 etc There is a reason why macbook is so successful- because macbook air, pro and for iPhone...5/6/7/8 and on When you do X, Z, Y, P - that's disrupts and confuses and ultimately lowers the value If you buy apollo ghost with hydraulic what's the model? ZXTCJENAY? When you sell it aftermarket...it's not clear which version it is

[@spacefightertzz]

I must be reading the wrong info for the mantis 8 pro. I just want the scooter that can actually do 40 mph and not this rated 40 mph but really does 32 mph like the nanrobot.

[@paulrevere1479]

I got up to 38mph on my Nanrobot lol. I was scared to go over 40

[@l-Lucid-l]

Kaboo wolf king VS Dualtron Thunder or Zero 11x.

[@RGrider311]

I would love this. We need a week worth of access to a Thunder or 11X to make it happen. Oh, and my broken arm has to heal a little more :-)

[@l-Lucid-l]

@@RGrider311 oh damn I hope you have a speedy recovery. I feel like ewheels would provide a turbowheel phaeton for you guys. Mini motors is really chill too maybe they would provide a Thunder for testing. There’s Barely any videos on yt of the zero 11x and wolf king, and the Thunder has really mediocre quality reviews . All the traffic would flow to your videos, you guys have the best reviews by far along with Wrong Way

[@Krispy416]

Hey ESG you should reach out to Apollo to get a stem shim they have for the Ghost which they claim fixes stem wobble. They are sending them for free to Ghost owners. You should install it and do a follow up.

[@RGrider311]

Thanks. We've got a shim on the way. The stem is actually really really good as is, it's just not quite as good as the amazing Mantis 8 Pro stem. I don't think most riders will be bothered enough to want to change anything, but it's awesome that Apollo has responded so quickly to make the scooter even better.

[@Bobbyzjr]

Hi Paul, did you end up receiving the shim from Apollo? Does it make the stem better? I just ordered my Apollo ghost and then arrives next month. I’m pretty excited about it what is the stem wobble without the shim a problem? Thank you. I would really appreciate a response.

[@rexluminus9867]

@@RGrider311 Really!? + many broken ones till upgrade!!! 😂😀😂

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

@@rexluminus9867 Do you mean the Ghost or Phantom?

[@jcr1029]

Hi everybody, any security features on the mantis?

[@justinchew2445]

What’s your opinion on the Mantis 8 pro vs the Varla Eagle One Pro?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

We would go with the Mantis! -Vosk

[@canuckwineguy]

for dollar value, Apollo all the way, the Mantis doesn't have enough upside for the extra money, one area that is missed is customer service??

[@boilcoildoyle]

Great video! I can't believe people are still ok with any tires less than 10". Anyway, since October 2020, I've owned the Gotrax XR elite (first EV for me), Ninebot max max G30lp and G30 P, Emove Cruiser, and now the Apollo Explorer. Apollo all the way! I commute around NYC (Manhattan mostly) and the Explorer is the perfect scooter for me. Should I ever find myself needing to upgrade to a dual motor EV, the Ghost (or maybe the Phantom?) would be my first choice!

[@starscabaret]

Is there a review on the Apollo Phantom v2 vs Mantis V2?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Not at the moment! -Vosk

[@gigi9467]

Who kept track? Who won lol

[@albertgein3082]

It seemed to be. A tie

[@rootstriker1618]

Ghost

[@josephcole1570]

Apollo ghost

[@rarity2006]

I'm at the pont where I'm deciding between a Mantis Elite or the Apollo Phantom.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

We're big fans of the Phantom. geni.us/paKH?track=YT I haven't ridden the Elite, but specs-wise a lot like the 10" Mantis base model we have here geni.us/nNf5Z?track=YT. Both are great scooters! I really prefer the thumb throttle of the Phantom to the trigger throttle of the Mantis, but some folks find the Phantom's throttle a bit abrupt in the fastest mode. -Paul

[@CyberOrganic]

I don' get the tie part when clearly the ghost did better.

[@RoyMcAvoy]

Ikr. It's seems bias

[@donl3130]

I prefer the Mantis. But the Ghost seems pretty good.

[@joojooeyeballs]

What's with the "TIE" on charging

[@rexluminus9867]

Bs.The Ghost can be charged with a dual one way better 👍👍😂

[@rexluminus9867]

Great review. The GHOST is coming home with me 🤣

[@Matt-ns9ke]

How’s the ghost going?? Problems? How many miles you at?

[@JoeVSvolcano]

My Mantis 8 died a couple months in. KAABO USA may have had good support in the past but they don't even pick up their telephone anymore. Good luck Kaabo Owners. I'm out 1000 now... =(

[@conniepierce328]

I agree 100%. Kaabo has zero customer service!

[@djroyal414]

ESG....can you please review the VSETT 9+ and 10+ scooters next???? I’ve heard good things about these scooters and I think they deserve a FULL REVIEW 👍🏼

[@rexluminus9867]

Only the Vsett 10+ ! 👍👍😂

[@sammysokosammysoko]

Im confused as to the "tie" in speed...the Ghost has faster low end acceleration (where you need it most) and very clearly has higher top speed. Otherwise solid comparison.

[@Simcore999]

I'll look into it

[@jpoorr9973]

You get what you pay for. Going to wait for the Wolf X Pro👍✌

[@l-Lucid-l]

The wolf king is the most powerful wolf or would the x pro be more powerful?

[@jpoorr9973]

@@l-Lucid-l the Wolf X pro is a 10in, 1100watt(each) dual motor 60 volt 28 a h smaller lighter version of the wolf 11. Claimed top speed of 43 miles an hour. It also has integrated side lights with adjustable settings from your phone and a new tail light with turning signals. There are videos of it out there on KZbin. I have a DT Ultra and Speedway 4 almost three years and thousands of miles. My next scooter will be the Wolf X pro👍

[@l-Lucid-l]

@@jpoorr9973 wow what’s the weight? That sounds like a zero 10x killer

[@jpoorr9973]

@@l-Lucid-l 74.5 lbs

[@l-Lucid-l]

@@jpoorr9973 with a 28ah battery And more sturdy suspension and frame I would assume the wolf would accelerate faster as well as have a higher top speed than a 60v z10x so it looks like a killer

[@Greg-vg1pt]

Mantis 8 all the way!!

[@Groundpounder25]

How long til we see a gotrax gmax ultra review or comparison to ninebot max?

[@Spursrule1969]

Hopefully never, Nobody is watching ESG for those entry level scooters.

[@Groundpounder25]

@@Spursrule1969 except for all the ones they’ve already done on those entry level ones. Last I checked it’s electric scooter guide not snobby douche guide. Must be nice living where you can use nice dual motor jobs but where I am any scooter capable of going over 20 isn’t allowed on the streets while also having a law that says scooters are only allowed in the streets.

[@Spursrule1969]

@@Groundpounder25 Rebel without a clue!

[@Groundpounder25]

@@Spursrule1969 sounds like you need a clue, I’d be willing to bet more people have bought your “entry level” scooter as nearly everyone will first buy those before deciding scooters aren’t for them or a smaller percentage deciding to upgrade. The smarter move is to review all as that’s the larger market share. Did you buy a high end scooter as your first, or did you watch reviews and upgrade step by step?

[@OboymedMelk]

Kaabo mantis pro vs zero 10x or Apollo pro

[@ericramos2825]

Mantis 8 dual moter all the way love my Mantis 8. 💪👍

[@finnilrebna348]

I only have my P settings on lvl 2 on my ghost, and I’ve reached 38mph. 🤷‍♂️ it does everything I’ve wanted and more so far. 200miles on it!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

That’s awesome! Ghost is great overall. -Vosk

[@Simcore999]

I d trust more the mantis in mud and snow

[@RGrider311]

Interesting. The Ghost has an IP rating where the Mantis doesn't. I don't have an opinion on which would work better, but I'm curious why you'd pick the Mantis for mud and snow?

[@Simcore999]

@@RGrider311 I don t trust Ips under X6 because they are all basically" Unknown", let me check the details:

[@Simcore999]

So to recap: " IP56Protected from limited dust ingress.Protected from high pressure water jets from any direction.IP57Protected from limited dust ingress.Protected from immersion between 15 centimeters and 1 meter in depth." Ip 54 to me is similar as to no rating unless it it is X7 or better in my mud and snow approval

[@Simcore999]

@Jordan My" Junk" is better protected than IP6, I'd still not run it through the snow and mud like I would the mantis pro so what's your point

[@georgeryerson5788]

bot a ghost and its a beast ! hardcore power ! hardcore suspension ! distance ? 8/10

[@Matt-ns9ke]

How’s the ghost going?? Problems? How many miles you at?

[@mantaescooters9899]

Excellent review Chuck . I have the opportunity of ride both of them and I can agree more with you!!!! Great job ❤️ESG !

[@aubreybush5287]

Wolf king vs thunder.... rematch time

[@blinsenb]

Ghost 2022 Vs Mantis V2??? 😁

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Tough choice! Prob mantis V2

[@e-truckadvisor8826]

Where do you se no tax in USA? they are definitely charging tax!

[@stevenschwartzstein4502]

I got charged a customs fee as well.

[@suberizedwrx]

Kaabo Wolf King 2021 vs....another adventure scooter in the same power category... ;)

[@tom-uy2uc]

Dont tell me paul got injuried from this showdown testing brakes?

[@RGrider311]

Nah, I was injured on the way home from testing brakes on another scooter. Next time I won't try to turn off the GoPro while I'm riding a scooter where I've got the P-settings dialed in to kill-mode. :-D

[@tom-uy2uc]

@@RGrider311 it look like you wore doing some stuntman stuff during the showdown. I went from riding a max 30 to zero 9 total different way of riding. Like fall asleep controlling the max and got pay attention to everything around me on the zero. Glad to hear doing better . Stay safe and get Raimer an agent get his singing career on.

[@Bustercherryy]

Ghost ftw build quality is way better and built like a tank

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

We love the ghost -Vosk

[@celsooliveira2698]

Eselente show

[@rootstriker1618]

How can u call speed a-tie it don’t matter that it was close one was faster then the other period so it wins lol

[@_Digitalguy]

Portability is a tie at best IMO...

[@AM-wi6zo]

Not really the mantis is bigger

[@_Digitalguy]

@@AM-wi6zo but the Apollo is heavier... so it depends on your priorities...

[@ahoyskid]

Mantis 8 Pro is €1000 in Ireland. The plus is €900. Way better value here anyway.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

That’s awesome! We love the Mantis.

[@PaleBlueDotCitizen]

Why is it a tie when one has two charge ports and the other only one? Bias much?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

We actually really love both scooters for different reasons. Which one do you like better? -Paul

[@fishingstix610]

Esg- How bias you want this review??? Kaboo- yes

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

We like both scooters honestly!

[@albertgein3082]

Ya pretty 😎 cool but I couldn't bring myself in good conscience spend over a thousand on a scooter 😒

[@garyandpattyworley6832]

Mantis Pro 8

[@CrazyFoolHI]

Yes mantis pro is priced in the phantoms range🥴

[@jimparsons8485]

If you CAN'T get help from Apollo during your purchase process - what kind of support do you think you are going to get if you have a problem with your scooter - DON'T DO IT !!!

[@geefee713]

I've spoken to reps plenty of times. They even reach out if you haven't replayed back with your question/problem. I have over 1100+ miles on my ghost.

[@6ix_dizzy]

Apollo looks better

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for the feedback

[@XClockwork900X]

I bet you hit 40mph one time and its back home and charge.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

It's crazy but these things have massive batteries. For sure you'll get less range at top speed, but still many many miles

[@rexluminus9867]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide The Ghost's Dinavolt battery has more power even at lower battery %!!! 👍Its a motorcycle battery .Period It wasn't even mentioned.

[@geefee713]

I do 38 to and from work no problem...

[@morawa1987]

44km? I do 70 km on my Kaabo 8 pro without any problems..

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Depends on rider weight and conditions!