APEX - Why All The Hate?

[@boblatkey7160]

It seems like people simply get spoiled with all of the technology. Yet they fail to remember how far this technology has come in the last four or five years. I just turned 59 and have been riding for exactly one year now and I am completely ecstatic and simply doing backflips at how incredibly fun this hobby is! I feel so lucky to be alive and healthy at my age and being able to partake in the experience of ripping around on an electric unicycle. I literally haven't had this much fun in over 20 years! ❤❤ thanks for all your great and informative videos Marty.

[@pacochawa2746]

Are you getting looks from the girls while riding? Hahaha

[@DonovanWert]

I just turned 55 and I’ve been writing for three years and I haven’t had so much fun in my whole life!! Right on brother live to ride ride to live!!

[@boblatkey7160]

@@pacochawa2746Ha that's funny! But what is really fun is all the little kids in my town think I'm super cool! There's a little kid on my block and every time I go by I can hear him yell "Dad! Dad! There he is again"! 😂 but women? No.......😢

[@EUCme]

Bob, I'm 59 and started in March 24. I could just copy and paste you comment as my own. ~maverick 😊

[@laurv8370]

55? 59? Doh.. kids nowadays...

[@RonnieRides]

Legit concerns for a brand new manufacturer non the less does not equal hate, they are even addressing the concerns which is great

[@epicurioh]

I'm in great admiration of their patience. There have been a few who take time out of their day to criticize specific members of Nosfet, and rather than critique their manufacturing choices, they go for their KZbin presence and (speculatively) their personal character. Those are the ones that irk me. I appreciate your feedback with them, pointing out areas of concern that have actually come to require attention. THAT's that good feedback that Nosfet need to prosper!

[@nosfet_tech]

Appreciate the love and support! Check out the APEX Improvements: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGi1m6aDfcmqf7ssi=1rwZACi53sZfQyWN

[@FinnBjerke]

You deserve positivity....... Congrats on making a new wheel

[@grb1969]

I’m not easily impressed but you’ve really got a good beginning with the Apex. Nice job

[@EUCme]

Jack/NOSFET, you already know how I feel, but I'll repeat. I love how you are connecting to the consumer community. Deeply appreciated. ~maverick

[@choualee5746]

It look like a solid wheel, I love to own one someday.

[@NahBra_EUC]

I think many of us went through years of dropping thousands on wheels that had issues in the past and we just get tired of it. Like the fact that we are on the 4th version of the master and 3rd of the MP. All of which never really had a proper suspension. This makes those of us very skeptical, especially when we see issues arise with the suspension on the test model of the APEX. Hopefully, they are releasing a solid product so that they will thrive in the EUC market.

[@juki0h391]

The early adopters of anything new will be the ones forking out the cash so that future users will have a better product. It's just how it is for just about anything on the market.

[@PeterLarsenJr]

Thanks for the shout out for Jason at EWheels. I’m a newbie and got my KS 16X from Jason 3 weeks ago. Great customer service.

[@chrisulmer694]

You’ll never go wrong with eWheels, man. My first wheel I bought from them was also a KingSong 16X. EWheels has been outstanding throughout all of my purchases as they are the gold standard in the EUC world.

[@Roskellan]

I have a KS 16X as one of my wheels, a really good wheel. Newbie.. well that's fine, but if you can stay at only owning one wheel you will be doing well 🙂

[@dantemarcos1410]

Might as well get an X way with less headache, more dependable with a bonus seat ?😉👍

[@jesustyronechrist2330]

I think it's the fact it's getting hate is due to coming into the market and lacking 2 very popular features: Seat and a trolley handle. Even the small Mten4 made people immediately put a trolley handle on it despite it being so light to just carry. It really is a must and limits what you can do and go with this wheel. It's kinda like a new automobile company would release an EV to compete with Tesla by having equal specs, but the cars were convertibles. It's just feels... kinda tone-deaf. I do hope Nosfets learns from this and just goes crazy, doing something that nobody else is doing instead of trying to copy Veteran (like everyone else)

[@唐人街快车]

The Sherman L is actually a perfect wheel. As a matter of fact I think the Sherman S is a perfect wheel. The lynx is not bad as well.

[@thanh-nguyen1976]

I would love to see Apex build a wheel with a trolly, seat, and RGB lights(for us night riders).

[@唐人街快车]

I can't say I hate the wheel, I can say adjustable linkage on the fly introduces more problems.

[@jc84com]

I really like the feedback Marty and Matt have done on this wheel and the changes that NOSFET have applied and are applying. As well as how nosfet are communicating with the community, with videos and documentation. This is fantastic.

[@roghaj]

No seat - No Problem. I'll sit on it anyway. No trolly handle - No problem, I'm riding it!

[@ElectricUnicycles]

You're too easy to satisfy

[@electric_rider2044]

Exactly. People complain too much..

[@JonahOnEUC]

Yeah, complaining about no trolley handle would be like hardcore MTBers complaining their bikes comes without mudguards.. It's not a grocery shopping wheel.

[@frozenwalkway]

im sure theres guys like me out here who still hate on suspension dog piling onto this lmao . HARD TAIL TILL THE EXN DIES cause i cant afford a new wheel lol

[@Eucliving]

The thing is, people hate to hate…. Especially those that have no experience with the wheel and are just putting it out there… a closed negative mind is not place to be … we need creators, not on the side haters that have done nothin positive to add to a sport they say they love… actions display our hearts desire…if you hate so much, go hate something else cause I love this sport and supporting those trying to come up and create new and better possibilities… is what you do when you love something, you support it.

[@davida7575]

why are some people so protective of anything Leaperkim related, seems there is no problem with ripping on all the other brands but rip on LK and katie-bar-the-door. Giving Apple fanbois a run for their money.

[@PacificNorthwest360]

We live in a society that gets off on Victim mentality. I researched for around a year and started on a Commander Pro 50s. I absolutely love this hobby and tinkering around is fine with me but that being said I’m 48 and from a different generation and I don’t expect so I can enjoy. From what I’ve seen researching wheels is this hobby has come along way in the last few years. When I’m Cruising 30 around town all geared up I feel like a Super hero. Thanks for all the hard work testing, videos and uploading your views and thought. Cheers Olympia WA

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Thanks for the comment. And the Commander Pro is a great wheel (I still have mine)

[@leeteemtb9587]

Marty, are the dry river beds called levys?

[@hedialaya3230]

I don't know what is the use for this new wheel in the market. Is it better than what we have?

[@PEVPOV]

I'm a little confused on both your video and Matt's video asking for less negative views. It kind of feels like a plea from Nosfet. So why the hate? 1) We've only seen overwhelmingly negative content around the wheel. There's Hours of vocal complaints and negative experiences around the wheel with basically no opposing positive supporting views apart from you guys saying it felt awesome for the first few miles before breaking, and Jack promising the flaws are fixed. 2) $3500 is not an insignificant amount of money, so people expect a product that lasts more than 50 miles before major teardowns or serious preventative maintenance is required. When compared to competitors In a similar price range, the lynx is out of the box ready for anything and requires little to no maintenance ever. If something does go wrong the shocks are off the shelf products you can drop in and change lb springs quickly. The Xway has Begode's 10 years of firmware development behind it, and scaled operations that can support riders warranty claims. How will Nosfet support warranty claims? Are there actual after market shocks that fit the wheel? we've heard from matt the air shock is inconsistent and th coil shock doesn't work. What levels of maintenance are really required? Most people do not want to spend hours on frustrating maintenance just for a good ride feel. Is the suspension travel really 150m like they claim? No trolley handle, no seat capability. I've never posted anything negative about the wheel but I imagine these are some of the questions I would want to know the answer too before I would consider buying a Nosfet wheel over the competitors.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Thanks for your comment. I don't think I can add anything more than what I've already said in this video.

[@Laic]

Someone that speak better English than I said everything I tried to use google translate for🙏🙏

[@nosfet_tech]

@PEVPOV Heres the updates and clarification to our wheel that will help keep you and other riders in the know! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGi1m6aDfcmqf7ssi=1rwZACi53sZfQyWN

[@Duf]

Did Jack slip you some Franklins???? Just kidding, I think the Nosfet has potential too, there just is a TON of competition in that class of wheel.

[@Eucliving]

You know, I don’t get why people don’t realize. When you ride a bike on trails or race.. people have to continually clean and check parts but we ride “1” wheel!! And it’s held together by screws and plastic and linkage that if you want it to ride nice… you have to have a scheduled maintenance. That and if you go and hit it hard !!! Your gonna have to check it afterwards and if your not and it breaks, the reason is that your not maintaining your wheel, not how the wheel was made… it just amazes me how people don’t in a lot of situations realize that it’s not gonna be a Volvo station wagon!!!scenario when purchasing a euc… they are specialized battery powered vehicles… and it you want to keep riding safe, you have to maintain the wheel.

[@JonahOnEUC]

I made a comment on a nosfet video asking about some weird design choices I could see when they took the wheel apart and it promptly got deleted. That alone is enough for me to not consider a Nosfet wheel for now. The top of the battery boxes are not screwed or siliconed on. There are 2 big holes in the plastic cover that goes over the motherboard and no rubber gaskets in sight, so water can just pour into the motherboard. Also a suspension system that relies on wet lubrication will collect all the dust and it will gunk up in the suspension, as you and Matt have already shown. Doesn't matter what kind of viscosity they use for that lubrication. The Apex was on the top of my list for next wheel, but obviously I had to take it off. Hope the next Nosfet wheel will be a little more thought out. (Marty, your video is very laggy and I think you recorded in the usual 25 fps, then rendered the video at 30 fps, thus causing the pulldown effect that ends up with the video showing 3 normal frames, then 2 identical frames, then 3 normal, then 2 identical.. Always render in the same fps that you record in..) Oh, so much hate.......

[@gabinator1177]

Which video was it? They made a mistake in their uploading (wrong video wrong title, and half of a video got posted) so them deleting it might not have anything to do with you at all

[@JonahOnEUC]

@@gabinator1177 They did indeed make a mistake in that video by mounting the motor the wrong way when they put the wheel back together again, but then later in the video it was fixed. Other than that, there is no mistake in the video and the video is still up, but my comment is gone.

[@relaxingnature2617]

That thing is fast. ...and wow amazing range. ..you rode all over the place. ..impressive

[@Euc_Anakin]

Its time we upgrade to surron shocks and build an euc around it!

[@Roskellan]

Not sure there is any EUC I hate, some I would never buy but that's not the same thing. Things look very dry there (is California dry - guess so 🙂), bit of a contrast with Cornwall in the UK this time of year. It rains where I live, you are telling me. Not sure we can compete with Florida though, when it rains there its not kidding - at least when I was there. Tyres.... they can make such a difference, such a pain changing them over though, depending on the machine you are riding. Final thoughts, well nothing on the APEX, but that terrain is so, so, not Cornwall 🙂

[@FinnBjerke]

100 views in first 20 minutes not bad....

[@UpcomingJedi]

Is this on the first batch? If so, it can be attributed to bugs that need ironing out.

[@UpcomingJedi]

When riders treat the machine like they stole it, why is it not expected things will bresk? This wheel is still looking pretty good to me though im looking at the patton, lynx, and now, sherman L even if many say its too heavy.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

👍

[@grb1969]

For those who want their first EUC to be the latest and greatest, the Apex offer a huge advantage in that the pedals can be lower to enable an easier learning curve.

[@scaredzigger]

We cannot allow reviewers to glaze over these problems. People die over these things.

[@JonahOnEUC]

Do they though? Someone is compiling a list of fatalities on EUC, 80% is people getting hit by cars because most people should probably not have a driving license. The rest is stupid people doing shit without a helmet on and then crashing and dying. Do you have any other information that says someone died because of the fault of a wheel?

[@laurv8370]

he said "die over" not "on" or "riding" the thingies. so I imagine that for good wheels the demand was always higher than the supply and some poor soul died in front of the shop fighting to buy some new release.... 😜

[@JonahOnEUC]

@@laurv8370 Spot on! 😀

[@ElectricUnicycles]

As I said in the video, constructive criticism is great. Hate, not so much.

[@scaredzigger]

@@JonahOnEUC How many of those car accidents are caused by a failure on the wheel tho? Are we thinking people are intentionally being dangerous and veering into traffic? There is a youtuber (forgive me for not knowing names off hand) who recently had his wheel sheer a valve stem and throw him right into traffic on a live stream. I think alot more of the fatal EUC vs car accidents are caused by things like that. Which obviously can never be known for sure after a wheel gets inevitably hit and destroyed by a motorist in said situation. We put alot of trust into these companies and by turn the reviewers to be transparent.

[@_Vatra]

Haha, well didn’t you basically instigate the hate by releasing a video with the suspension adjustment teeth sheering off on a pre-release prototype even though you already had replacement parts made with stronger materials because they predicted the preliminary version you tested wouldn’t be strong enough? Oh the irony lol

[@BunnyslippersEUC]

This is not ironic... This is damage control. The information which was provided, was good. The delivery of the information was terrible.

[@_Vatra]

⁠@@BunnyslippersEUC I disagree that the information was good considering Nosfet already predicted the first mechanism being too weak and sent out an upgraded replacement. The video shouldn’t have even been posted under these circumstances, a new video should have been shot with the upgraded suspension since no one other than the 6 or 8 or whatever prototype testers would ever encounter that first obsolete mechanism. Whether or not this was done intentionally for sensationalized clicks/engagement I don’t know, but regardless it was reckless coming from an otherwise respected influencer in the community imho.

[@truthiscensored]

As long as people keep sugar-coating the flaws of these Wheels, they makers of them will continue to put out half-@ss wheels. Some of these companies been making the same mistakes 10 years. And they overpriced asf. The fact that the V13 and Master Pro can sell for $1900 NEW lets me know NONE of these wheels should be more than $2500 I like riding, but I have lost respect for the makers, dealers and content creators promoting EUCs. EUCs are fun, but trash

[@crazyeyepev9456]

I think people bitch about the seat and trolly handle because they just miss the point of this wheel ..... It was designed for performance both on and off the track. Seats and handles are nothing more than wasted weight. and things to break in a crash. If you ride this wheel for the performance....you will drop it HAHAHAHA At least thats how I see this wheel. If I had lotto winnings to collect tomorrow , Id more than likely wait for batch 2 or 3 of the APEX and pick one up along with a Master pro for long range rides.

[@leeteemtb9587]

Tire nerd or Tire snob?

[@markmcfarland2579]

A pillar in the EUC community makes a video titled "Apex, the hard truths" in said video shows it dropping Roger on his backside. Follows up with a video saying "Why all of the hate for Apex" 🤦 You are literally the only person with this wheel. Any hate towards the company started with you. And these are expensive devices. All criticism should be aired out loud and proud.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

You don't understand the difference between criticism and hate. "APEX, The Hard Truths" was a hate filled video???

[@ElectricUnicycles]

@@markmcfarland2579 It's only a video. Peace

[@markmcfarland2579]

@@ElectricUnicycles It's only the EUC community's opinion. Take care

[@ElectricUnicycles]

@@markmcfarland2579 Honestly, I don't care

[@markmcfarland2579]

@@ElectricUnicycles we are only responding to your "care" fully made videos. That's all we're doing.

[@EUCme]

Hate, it's not new. Just look at the KZbin Comments from 1794 on the Cotton Gin. 😊

[@laurv8370]

Man, first, what AVAS do you use at 14:50? 😜. Second, it is funny you got upset with me for watching your videos without ads, but you use pirated pads 🤪. Third, the so called "hate", am I wrong or you were the one who started it? 🤪 Than fourth, and this time leaving all the joking apart, I do NOT believe it is any "hate". I personally, and I am sure I talk this part in the name of all riders, wish from the bottom of my/our heart(s) for Nosfet to succeed. One more competitor on the market can only mean better and cheaper wheels for us. But be sure, and here I talk in my name only, that I will NOT buy any wheel from a new company in their first 2 or 3 years, when they are not really established, they have no "infrastructure", etc., even if the wheels are perfect, how about getting support, getting parts, whatever? How about if they sell only few hundreds then disappear from the scene in a year or so? That is why we watch reviewers and people like you, to see how the community gets involved, etc (I still have toys and tools the producer of which is long time gone, but the community still support them, because they are good and useful and I personally support some such tools in my trade, on stack exchange, etc).

[@ElectricUnicycles]

LOL, I don't recall me making a comment about watching without ads. Why would I care? I started the hate??? Please don't conflate hate with criticism.

[@laurv8370]

@@ElectricUnicycles Didn't I say that you are getting older? 😛 You did complain about me robbing you, LOL, in the comments at the video with "Faster ET Max Range Test in 360" (and see what you did to me, now I watched most of that video again... different angles) (for the records, we have about the same age) (I tried with posting the direct link two times and YT removed this comment every time, first the shorten form and second time the complete form, fortunately I was expecting that and I did a CTRL+C of the text before clicking the reply button)

[@curtflirt2]

Dude, your first two videos were of everything negative with the wheel and with your type of influence, this shouldn't be a surprise. People trust your videos, they trust your opinions. When you make two drastic videos about a wheel that just came out that no one else has ridden, people will go off of what you've shown. 🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️

[@ElectricUnicycles]

EVERYTHING was negative? But, I can't deny your perception of the videos.

[@erCostinha]

black helicopters looking for ufos

[@DarthEUC]

Some folks are raised in environment's where they are never picked first or ever for a team sport ... always cocked blocked by so called friends ... are doubted from the moment they show up ..... racisim sometimes is the culprit .... other times its just the need to be better then the new person .... when these folks are fed hate there entire childhood by their peers.... then the walls they built up are a mirror of what they have gotten .... so it short, hate sometimes is the first reaction folks can give to something that is new or untested ...... and sometimes of those same folks, they secretly love what they chose to show hate towards .... anyhoot ... nice wheel .... hope to get a wheel soon and ride as well ..... one day ....

[@ElectricUnicycles]

🤜

[@electricunipsycho]

Why all the hate? I can answer that without even watching the video... begode fans hate anything that's not begode because they can't stand something being better 😉

[@pantherpev]

The hate comes from your test videos if inmotion or kingsong made this wheel you would be hating on it for its suspension also.