Production Inmotion V11 Mountain Trail Test

[@416-Toronto]

Marty I wish you'd quit complaining about it not having an extra 200-300Wh in battery and just admit it's an _awesome_ wheel. I think sometimes you forget that you are an extreme case - very few people ride 3+ hours climbing mountains. You didn't even start fully charged and the V11's range was more than enough for you on this little adventure; the V11's range is more than enough for 95% of EUC riders. Great video, keep it up, I enjoyed the 4K resolution on the big screen. I look forward to seeing the S18!

[@ElectricUnicycles]

I have to have something to complain about 🙂 Thanks 👊

[@1floatwheel]

After watching you do these trails so many times, I just had to get out last weekend and did one myself. V11 did fantastic! w/ plenty of juice left over! I don't think you'll have any problems w/ its battery size, Marty! Go for it!

[@jackvolta3489]

Great adventure Marty and those Leatts pads stayed up throughout the whole journey. As for the V11 I believe Inmotion could definitely make the V11 wider with more space for larger batteries and maybe even bt speakers, its such a thin wheel with plenty of room for expansion on each side, hopefully Inmotion will consider that and improve on it with their next version. Great Video Marty. 😜👍👍

[@dariencollins9923]

Can't wait to do this with mine. Just sent it back for repairs. This is what its all about

[@ElectricUnicycles]

What happened to your V11?

[@dariencollins9923]

Was making grinding noises 5 minutes out of the box

[@cap_1stuperman536]

@@Pugsforlife Burn.

[@changovanilla]

Good to see new content! Glad to finally get your perspective on the production unit. I really like my v11 for trail riding, in fact it’s the only wheel I use now for trails.

[@Duf]

V11 purchase is imminent.... the difference in pounding your body takes on the suspension wheels is really noticeable for older riders like us. I did a 20 mile swamp ride and the only pain I had was from having to carry a 60 pound wheel across endless submerged portions of the trail. I'm really not a fan of hollow motors however until they are able to put high quality bearings in them, but I rant about that enough already. Yea I was a bit surprised about Mickey's declaration as well, I think some dirty handshakes were made. :)

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Still want to ride the S18 (but the really small battery is not good for me) and in particular the EX. We'll see.

[@EUCArmy]

@@ElectricUnicycles More predictions, much lower pedal height and smaller battery will cross S18 off your list and if you take the EX on a trail like you did on this video you will destroy it. Don't forget to pack the crucifix sized pump for the EX too, maybe you can strap it to your back.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

@@EUCArmy LOL - I suspect you are correct but I'm ever hopeful about the EX (mainly because I want that huge battery)

[@TheRealAlpha2]

It's amazing how much people say the suspension helps when you see how the wheels still bounce and shuffle along the off road tests these suspension wheels have been put through, especially for the older ones among you that tend to have the most knee complaints. For you to have no issues at all after _that_ brutal a ride is impressive.

[@ZenLee]

S18 far inferior for adventure riding such as this, east coasters don't get it :) Perfect trail for the V11, enjoyed your smooth ride. Don't think you would like the same trail on the S18(could be wrong:). If you get the V11, the Clark Pads are essential; at moments like 8:20, you would breeze through those areas/obstacles with minimal effort.(haven't tried the new V11 pads but they look good too). Content is crisp, really enjoyed.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Thanks Zen. The V11 may still be in my future. I need to test the EX first though since they have semi similar suspension systems.

[@ZenLee]

really looking forward to your test of the EX; specs are great, and you're all set-up to wheel it into your truck. Pads seem essential on the EX hope their good.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

@@ZenLee hoping I may get a chance to see it before 2021 🙂

[@wheeliam360]

Thanks Marty. I love the smooth ride on the V11. The only thing now is my Sherman arrived and I am riding the heck out of the wheel. Just like any wheel gotta get used the characteristics and performance of that wheel. MSP HT heavy trail road, V11 light trail road and Sherman long distance street cruiser light trail. MTEN3 just for fun. That's my arsenal so far. More I ride the more I want to ride and nothing else.👍

[@ElectricUnicycles]

The addiction is strong :-)

[@CameronMassie]

Great video! Those Southern California trails look like such a fun time!

[@gregmarks4241]

Neato tunnel ! Looks like a cool place to have a lunch break from the sun 🌞

[@big_petebear8535]

12:30 If I were there I'd be like "Geeze Laweez! Marty! Put the camera down for this section." But at this end I'm like, "Wooo! Marty! Keep going, you're crushing it! It looks amazing!"

[@ElectricUnicycles]

😂 thanks 🙂

[@toddlarcombe8973]

I ride the v11 on similar trails. After alot of adjusting the suspension myself and watching you ride i would recommend dropping 5 psi out of the suspension. It's a really small window of adjusting to keep the pedal clearance but also keeping stability for the looser gravel/sand . I found just adjusting one shock also makes the suspension better sometimes. It's abit of messing around but when you find that sweet spot it is really a special wheel.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

That's the downside to suspensions. There's a lot more to adjust to get things "just right". I have some more hills to ride so I'll take your suggestion and try some different pressures. Thanks.

[@toddlarcombe8973]

@@ElectricUnicycles i think of it as a bonus because i have the option to make it low for road cruising or higher for off road. But I can't put my body on any other wheel now . That is a kind of negative. 🙂

[@hobocat33]

and some proper power pads to control his ability to preload and just hop over stuff he keeps going around....slow.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Good vid👍 Im holding out for the V11F 😁 Cheers

[@fredolives5853]

How is the V11F supposed to be different than the V11?

[@patrickmckowen2999]

@@fredolives5853 F series with Inmotion traditionally has more batteries. I cant recall the time line in which this was done for the V8 and V10, ie 1 or 2 years after the release of each original unit. And of course there is no guarantee it will be done with the V11. Cheers

[@PaulA-pm3gx]

The low range of the V11 and S18 seems to be the main concern definitely. Inmotion and King Song have both made a great product, hope their next generation models will have more batteries and greater range. Or Elon Musk's breakthrough batteries come online very quickly. Great vid, look forward to the S18 test, thanks.

[@mig6220]

actually, it is possible the issue that killed the Overheat Hill wheel has been fixed. I'm really leaning to getting one in a couple weeks, so I'm going back and forth, addressing my concerns with Drew Baughman at Ewheels. I found out V11 is one of the few wheels that records telemetry, to send back to Inmotion. So they can know exactly what happened, when, and why almost immediately. Like this example... forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/20708-ugh-v11-cutout-at-525-kmhr/page/3/?tab=comments#comment-344124

[@ElectricUnicycles]

There's no guarantee the Inmotion will ever look at such telemetry. You really don't want a wheel that depends on that. I really like the V11. However, for suspension wheels I've decided that I prefer the S18.

[@mig6220]

@@ElectricUnicycles so do i... lol Its a real suspension, proven motor (not hollow), and better looking, IMO. My problem is, I'm 270lbs! The S18 will be wheezing carrying my weight. But its gotta be suspension. My knees were beat up last year... Plus, i don't want LESS range than the V10F i have now (as the S18 is, according to the specs, anyway) Decisions, decisions... lol

[@ElectricUnicycles]

@@mig6220 Yes, your weight is a challenge that none of the suspension wheels will fully satisfy. I will say that the Gotway EX is a monster of a wheel that would absolutely handle your weight and give you all the range you'll need. The downside is it's a bigger wheel, has the hollow-bore motor (but they are fixing the design as we speak), and the suspension is the simpler of all three. Yet the suspension does work. With the riding that I've already done (more to follow) on the EX, I'm really impressed with the wheel. For the bigger guys they all usually end up with Gotway since they are the only company making wheels that can easily handle the weight.

[@tiaguerra7002]

Dont say that.ur not gonna fall.ur positive in every ride u do.so plz dont think negative

[@tracykimball6919]

Hey Marty nice video and thanks for sharing. I wish that my V11 was as capable. Mine was bad out of the box, hopped on went about 15 feet and the motor shut down. They said that they thought that the control board was bad. So I had to box back up and send it back to EUCO at my expense of 174 dollars round trip. Not the greatest service, would never buy anything from them again. So now I wait patiently for my baby to get fixed.

[@mikeintampa250]

Hi Marty, beautiful ride again. I'm glad the V 11 give you better results then on your pre-production videos. Do you think there would be a problem in the foreseeable future with all the dust that was kicked up onto the wheel with a hollow motor and the bearings?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

I have to believe trail dust is a lot less intrusive than water, but that's just a hunch on my part.

[@mikeintampa250]

@@ElectricUnicycles I think you're right. Today was V 11 gold, your video up in the mountains and then Duf' video in the swamps. Dust vs water

[@mikestern4745]

Nice ride! Thank you! A couple V11 questions here: I’m 145 lbs, what would be your reconditions for setting the upper and lower chambers for the shock? Also, what tire psi would you recommend? Thanks again.

[@urthpainter]

looked like a fun ride!

[@optimusprime6453]

The V11 looks and performed well in this kind of surface , only downside is it doesn’t have as much protection as the Sherman .

[@hanswangnstvold435]

will you do an OHH with the production version?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Most likely not since that test was not approved by EUCO.

[@omidel.]

Why they are afraid...inmotion should cover the board..they said it was because of prer Productio so they should confirm the better MB by OHH..

[@filipehypolito]

Hi Marty! In this video, have you used only your Insta 360 with the 2.7m self stick? Anything else? Great work! Thanks!

[@ElectricUnicycles]

The 2nd half of the video is using the Sony X3000 camera

[@TheMarkAvreliy]

29:00 have u said u start with 89% battery and u have 50% at the end? Sorry i cant understand some words u asked about bucks and charging.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

I said that I had 33% battery at the end.

[@TheMarkAvreliy]

@@ElectricUnicycles my hugs

[@jaybomb5022]

It's even more amazing with power pads! Is there a 2022 tour?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

The Tour was great. The 2023 Tour (5th and final one) starts Oct 14th 2023.

[@supercurioTube]

Hi Marty! Is it intentional that your Insta 360 One X is set to capture in LOG mode? I'm guessing it's the cause of the washed-out unnatural colors. Probably it's not intentional, otherwise you'd set your GoPro in Protune Flat to get a more similar image between the two. You'll get a nicer image overall with Normal instead of Log mode, and Auto White balance in case it's fixed to Daylight. For instance in parts of the video there's a significant blue cast. Maybe it can be sorted out by AWB - maybe not depending if it's due to the difference of lighting conditions between the sides of the mountain. I like watching your videos and you have fantastic environments to show, and I hope to enjoy them even more later with nicer colors.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

I process and shoot all my insta360 X videos identically, for almost two years now. I shoot them all in log mode and then color correct using Insta LUT in Adobe Premiere. It is what it is 🙂

[@supercurioTube]

@@ElectricUnicycles yes I noticed that your videos are like that for a long time. You'll find the link to the current LUT in the "Insta360 STUDIO 2020" / "LUT" tab. Last update 2020-03-31 here, on desktop www.insta360.com/download/insta360-onex I'm fairly certain that the LUT applied doesn't match this camera model / firmware version combination - I've spent some time working on color grading and calibration of the One R which lead me to research the topic in depth. However if all you wanted to do was to shoot in LOG and apply the LUT, know that it's supposed to bring you back to the look of the Standard mode. Except that they'll be more color artifacts remaining in the final output versus shooting in Standard directly.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

@@supercurioTube Although the date stamp on the LUT file is newer, the name and file size is identical to the one I downloaded a couple of years ago. As far as I know there has only been one release of that file and all their cameras use it.

[@supercurioTube]

@@ElectricUnicycles Good to know the LUT you've had was the same as the latest released. Many of the 64x64 LUTs generated the way they do will be the same size tho (they're text files containing floats) The One X and One R 360 LUTs are fairly different, I just compared them in a viewer: photos.app.goo.gl/YhxdPb1sMbqv2Hhw7 (The One R is more progressive) Would you share with me some original footage? I really wonder how you end-up with this flat image, with an over-emphasis of blue tones, desaturated greens, very little red, orange and yellow. Otherwise standard mode instead of LOG, you'll see that the footage would match closer with your GoPro and others camera you use.

[@JonS]

The knee discomfort factor is possibly worth the money to me. I've held off buying the V11 so far, as with the pandemic I'm not commuting each day (not that the commute ride is enough for me to worry about knees - it just makes buying a new wheel harder to justify), but I am tempted.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

As with the pre-production version that I had, I can't stress enough how comfortable this wheel is to ride. And I really was amazed that my knees were not bothering me after all this tough trail riding. They ALWAYS are in varying levels of pain with all my other wheels on this kind of riding.

[@juancarlosacosta3005]

Hi Marty, does it make any difference to you between commuting mode and offroading mode for the V11?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

The last time I tried those modes (pre-production model) I really couldn't tell a difference. I need to try those modes again.

[@omidel.]

Next batch sherman was confirmed with higher pedal clearance.....would you say that if the sherman would be with 2cm higher it would do better or worse then the v11 on this trail?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Certainly it would be an improvement, but no, I think the V11 would still be far superior for this kind of riding.

[@YASAJTV]

Thanks for the video loved it. 19:29 better camera angle, 360 can do same even better, all you got to do is not to extend the stick fully, have only half stick extended. Nice to see EUC up close.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

True, but I prefer not to put the Insta X too close to the ground for maybe obvious reasons. My action cameras can take a lot more abuse.

[@kmg501]

It's interesting that your knees didn't feel any fatigue because from the latter part of the video (IE after the camera switch), the ride looked like it was pretty stiff.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

The downhill ride was actually a lot smoother than going up (hard to see/appreciate in the video). I was very impressed with the comfort of this wheel.

[@micahsell1]

I know of a really steep and beautiful trail in central california. If you ever have a chance, I would seriously recommend it. It's called skyline trail in Three Rivers, it's in the Sequoias

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Thanks for the recommendation. This upcoming summer I'd like to get up to the Sequoias area for some riding.

[@micahsell1]

It has always been my favorite. Once I buy my first EUC I'm going riding in the big trees at the Sequoias and also Yosemite

[@Surf422]

Did the annoying fan noise ever return when the light was on?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

No. This production V11 was always very quiet.

[@timrodriguez1]

🤠👍

[@superfly99206]

That is my conclusion with the V11 and S18 Wheels, not enough range, which is why I'll wait until they come out with more range. The Gotway EX seems to have more range, just haven't learned enough yet to determine if the range is significantly better. Like you, if a wheel has a top speed of 30-35 MPH that is plenty enough for me. Hope to be in the group ride 2021.

[@Mpower31]

What is the actual pedal height on the production wheel?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Sorry I don't know. I'm pretty sure the spec's for the pedal height are available from the Inmotion website.

[@toddlarcombe8973]

Depends on how much pressure you put in the bottom of the suspension. It's totally adjustable.

[@jspark6351]

250mm, according to a South Korean dealer web site. m.gotway.co.kr/product/detail.html?product_no=436&cate_no=1&display_group=14

[@SolarizeYourLife]

How do you not use a strap riding next to a huge dropoff?!! I could not be no trusting...

[@ElectricUnicycles]

I don't believe in straps. Hasn't been an issue in all the years that I've been riding. Guess it depends on your confidence level.

[@Pogodindenis]

Second camera is certainly better in terms of view and perception of your experience in the mountains. It's better to use it more often instead of 360

[@paulsoto5979]

Second camera? But it is 360....

[@OnAirPromo]

Great video~! Is that where we were? I have PTSD. ;)

[@ElectricUnicycles]

🤣 Yep, on the way up.

[@OnAirPromo]

@@ElectricUnicycles My PTSD condition is making me reach for my credit card again... ;) Must. Fight. Urge....

[@ElectricUnicycles]

😂 I don't know if you suffer from knee pain with any of your current riding. If you do, I'm tempted to say you would never feel such pain with this wheel.

[@OnAirPromo]

@@ElectricUnicycles As long as I stay on pavement I'm okay, but if I move onto to other surfaces it bothers me. I'm hoping for a V11F... Also waiting for your S18 review... But yeah, suspension is in my future. Thanks for all you do, man. :)

[@odontologiasorridentes]

Legend off ? From Brazil

[@CadeBrazil]

Marty, he was asking about to turn on translation to Portuguese... It's off.

[@ferndawg665]

I have both S18 and V11. The S18 is absolutely the better suspension of the two. V11 is too pongo-stick-like even with low air in the chambers. I’ve ridden these kinds of trails on both.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

I look forward to doing the same trail with the S18 in a couple of weeks so I can come to my own conclusion. Thanks for your input. Will be interesting to see if I come to the same view as you.

[@ferndawg665]

@@ElectricUnicycles if you make it a group ride I might join you! :p I definitely recommend following the extreme guidelines per the Kingsong manual / shock chart

[@ElectricUnicycles]

@@ferndawg665 I'll be posting the ride announcement on my Telegram group

[@kmg501]

Hi tech communing with nature? Somehow I don't think so Marty. :p

[@ElectricUnicycles]

It's all relative :-)

[@tiaguerra7002]

Aws views

[@nebulaM16]

I think you have too much pressure in the shocks. You don’t seem to be a heavy rider, more on the lighter side (150-160lbs). The wheel even sounds stiff compared to others. And there is almost no suspension travel (up-down ) to se when you cross som bumps. Really, lower the psi in upper and lower chamber.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Shock pressure is very personal. I was happy with the pressure I was using when I had the wheel (this is an old video). Thank you for the suggestion though.

[@fredolives5853]

31:10 Grammar Nazi: Buy, not by (or bye).

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Ug. Now I need to redue the video ;-) Thanks.

[@fredolives5853]

@@ElectricUnicycles Redo, not redue... :P I'm a horrible speller myself - I end up checking things online all of the time.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

@@fredolives5853 Of course I do now the difference between by and buy, but these things happen of course. Too bad I can't change the video after it's been uploaded. Oh well.

[@mehmetbekir444]

Love the 18s looks but not its range the 11 looks better but doesn't have the range of a sherman shame you cant by a plug in travel batter for more range

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Inmotion does have a portable battery pack which will give you another ~10% for the V11

[@alienspy7326]

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