CATL reveal new battery with highest energy density in the world

CATL reveal new battery with highest energy density in the world
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[@MrEV]

Love your work, Sam. This is very exciting! Remember it's *watt hours* per kg though. I get a nervous twitch every time I hear "watt per kg"!

[@Myrslokstok]

Yeah that hour part is important. How do you format in bold!

[@PETERJOHN101]

​@@Myrslokstok Bold is done by putting an * on both sides of a word or sentence... the asterisk *disappears* when the comment is posted.

[@Myrslokstok]

@@PETERJOHN101 Ohhh *thanks* it makes stuff easier to read!

[@dewiz9596]

⁠@@PETERJOHN101well, *son of a gun*. Wow. Nice if it works. . .

[@johnwest7993]

@@dewiz9596, *it* *looks* *like* *you* *have* *to* put them around each word. The spaces disable the function.

[@martinhovorka69]

Fantastic channel, fantastic news. We are living in amazing times that will be described in the history books as the time of energy revolution similar to when hydrocarbons started to be used at massive scale. This is the time when one form of energy - fossil - will be replaced with electrical one.

[@MichaelSmith-px1ev]

500 Wh/k is mind blowing. The pace is crazy. Put these in trains, buses, massive semi trucks no issues. Domestic air travel is even possible now.

[@brucemitchell5637]

BAHAHAHAHA!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@JoshuaMcTackett]

@@brucemitchell5637what do you haters live for? Seems like you're all very busy bringing people down. Not the life I'd choose for myself.

[@william2220]

@@JoshuaMcTackett @brucemitchell5637 is living proof that the education system is failing.

[@1InVader1]

Trains don't need batteries lol. We can just put power lines above tracks - just as we did for the past 50 years here in Europe. Even in buses you only need the battery if it's a long distance connection outside the city. Ya'll need to stop gooning to electric-whatever and just stop to actually think for a sec.

[@Gunter_Custom]

There's always a battery break through every week . So far 100% of those haven't come to manufacturing volumes at any scale other than prototypes .. these included.. 😂😂 ​@@JoshuaMcTackett

[@Jaw0lf]

This is absolutely amazing news, if it is really being used in the trucks that would show how well they can work. Hope we see more information on the trucks, range and batteries. This would be a game changer.

[@wss29-4sf0]

Smart from CATL to give you personalised up-to-date information.

[@warpcode]

Also known as a press release

[@zes7215]

no such thing as smax or etc or not, ceptuxuax, think, do, outx, can think, do , out x etc any nmw and any s perfect

[@rwyo83]

CATL didn't give him any extra details from what we already knew

[@pietersteenkamp5241]

@@warpcode YEs, but you can say you have achievement something when the largest battery manufactured on earth includes you in the email list! CATL does have approaching 40% global market share and produce more than BYD/Lg Chem put together!

[@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726]

@@rwyo83they did not send him an email. He is a liar.

[@booobtooober]

Incredible even if it only has 1000 cycle life BUT 18,000 cycles is revolutionary and unimaginably disruptive

[@vcapo6782]

Solid state has one huge advantage that will keep its development justified, it doesn’t explode or catch on fire. Pretty important if you want to put on an airplane where nowadays they limit even your laptop batteries.

[@PETERJOHN101]

Current LFP tech is dramatically safer than jet fuel.

[@krs6445]

There's another video where they describe how this battery stops Lithium dendrite from forming which is the cause of degradation and fires.

[@adamdukat3693]

--- Sammy I do not blame You! I'm excited too! Love my Seal, and particularly if in the future it would be possible to squeeze some more electrons into it? As I need some more range in it. Maybe I won't see it in my lifetime,--- but my son will? I am listening to You regularly --- and I want to believe You. Greetings Sammy. All the best.

[@ask_sigma6]

Wow... you have direct email correspondence with CATL!... Cool! You're our inside man Sam!... because they know you're in the know... Now we know, they know... I'm amazed on how we can always count on you to deliver the goods first very often more than anyone else... Hats off to you, thanks for all your cutting edge insights... Where we get the news, hot of the press...

[@rodents34]

If it is legit...its a humanity changing innovation.

[@markeh1971]

Hi, so an EV with real equal range (if not better) to petrol vehicles (500w/ Kg) becomes a true turning point. It also has a 18,000 charge cycle life and charges at low temperatures @-20C and a 4c charge rate, according to the Viking. Never mind Tesla all the manufacturers will want it, car and truck and plane. Take care all M.

[@eric9069]

no, they stole it from us.

[@duanehorton4680]

@@markeh1971 500 watt-hours/kg, not 500 watts/kg.

[@markeh1971]

@@eric9069 well it’s out the bag if they are running it. No IP. Take care M

[@chasl3645]

​@@eric9069How

[@skywire5595]

Good 👍👍 ..CATL also notice your channel .

[@Flickerbrain]

Amazing! Seems like every comment I write on watching your videos lately start with "Amazing" Things are moving so fast!!

[@douglaswatt1582]

Sam please fix your units. It's kilowatt hours per kilo and again you have to distinguish between pack and cell level. No way that somebody is getting 500 watt hours per kilogram at the full pack level. That's probably a cell level figure, so you have to observe these two distinctions. Watts is power rate kilowatt hours is energy level and the distinction again between Pack level and cell level energy density. Last but not least in terms of misleading claims if you put a hundred kilowatt hour battery into a Tesla Model 3 it would get 20% more range than the current vehicle if the battery weight was exactly the same. If it weighs significantly less, you might get 30 to 35% more range, but even that may be optimistic. That does not remotely translate into a thousand miles of range. Not even close. Please reIn in these wild speculative statements - they are actually hurting your Channel

[@petercrossley1069]

Even if it cell level it is still phenomenal so stop moaning.

[@bakeredwards]

Why let the truth get in the way

[@580guru]

Didn't he say 1000 kilometer range...not miles?

[@dianapennepacker6854]

It is 500 Wh/kg. Not kilowatts. Not sure why you're saying he is wrong with that. I have no idea cell or pack level. It is whatever most manufacturers compare it to when talking about these things. Amprius also has new batteries that reach that level. 504 wh/kg of gravemetric energy density or 1,300 watts per liiter of volume. The claims he is making is straight out of the manufactuers mouths I think by the way as I have heard them before in other videos. GT p Except that range thing he said. If a Model 3 was getting 100 miles for 100wh/kg. Then you put a 500 wh/kg battery with all other metrics being the same into it. You would get a car that does 500 miles in a perfect world. As the Tesla 3 in the example was getting one mile per watt hour. Anyway Sam was right as far as wh/kg which is why these batteries are a big deal. I THINK they are mainly going to be squeezing the aircraft industry for the moment though. I thought there was a 720wh/kg already in China? That is my only question on this video. Does that not hold the record or is it since it was just a lab battery?

[@Alarix246]

CATL wrote 205Wh/kg. Sam says that Elon said what needs to be achieved is 500W/kg. Do notice the missing "h" in the latter statement. Watthour isn't the samee as Watt.

[@sv6k0a39]

I can't wait for these batteries to trickle down to ebikes and scooters.

[@PETERJOHN101]

What are you talking about? I bought my ebike almost two years ago. 😂

[@frankmayer3299]

​​@@PETERJOHN101he means that he can't wait til these batteries get into bikes and scooters.

[@stevennelson7518]

My loud, with deadly poisonous fumes, expensive to operate gasoline generators have been replaced by silent green energy LiFePo battery solar generators. My electric bill was replaced 20 years ago by green energy solar panels. My gasoline weed whackers have been replaced by battery powered weed whackers. My gasoline leaf blowers and lawn mower have been replaced by battery powered ones. My gasoline powered vehicles are being replaced by EVs. My battery powered bicycles are on order. Three obsolete expensive to operate and maintain gasoline powered vehicles and two jet skis are left to sell. RIP ICE.

[@kccorliss3922]

Ultra clean natural gas engines are available 🤷‍♂️

[@bossman6174]

I did the same thing. Next month the last hurdle will fall with a heat pump for my house. It feels good and it CAN be done. No problem. Good job @stevennelson7518. My wife still has a Hybrid vehicle but it is just rusting in the driveway as she is always taking my EV for anything.

[@FeldwebelWolfenstool]

Good for you. I live in Canada. I'll keep all my gasoline-powered stuff. And you can have all the self-congratulations.

[@robertfonovic3551]

Onanists of the world rejoice.

[@cherrytreepermaculture756]

​@@FeldwebelWolfenstool I live in Canada and have done the same as the OP.

[@tomradich2261]

I can’t wait for these batteries to be available in full size cargo and passenger vans with bidirectional charging and onboard power supply. This will be a much easier, better and simpler solution for camper van conversions. With extended range and the roof covered with solar panels recharging the battery when sunny we’ll be able to go Boon-docking with confidence. All this without all of the noise, pollution, maintenance and reliability issues associated with an ICE vehicle. The electrified future is bright! 👍😁

[@johneehan749]

Another advantage is benefit to the residents nearby the airport. The noise will is a friction of current noise level.

[@lennyvalentin6485]

An electric aircraft powerplant sized for a large aircraft will still be pretty noisy though, one should keep that in mind. You need to pump huge amounts of air very fast, which will mean noise. But yeah, certainly less noisy than kerosene-fueled turbines though. :)

[@sang3Eta]

Drones are very noisy for their size. Making an aircraft electric doesn't make it quiet.

[@lennyvalentin6485]

@@sang3Eta If you're ever heard a piston engine model aircraft, you would agree that the drone actually is quiet in comparison. :D It's not quiet on an absolute scale; it's quiet on a RELATIVE scale. ;)

[@sang3Eta]

@@lennyvalentin6485 the other problem with lithium batteries on a plane is that lithium melts through aluminium air frames like a hot knife through butter.

[@lennyvalentin6485]

@@sang3Eta No that's not correct, you're probably thinking of thallium. Regardless the lithium in a battery is encased by multiple barriers and casings, and worrying about it is just silly. After all, aircraft fuel burns hot enough to melt aircraft airframes easily, so you should worry more about that methinks.

[@marinonacci1816]

Imagine the batteries of the coming decades.

[@LelandPratt-nw9ix]

A short time ago we were lucky to go forty or fifty miles on lead acid batteries that were “lead weights”. They took their own sweet time to charge and were lucky to last longer than a couple years at fifty percent efficiency. Now we’re just icing the cake, not saving it world!

[@MsTyrie]

If those achievements weren't enough, LFP is also a SAFER battery chemistry (by a country mile).

[@JaceTran]

Congrats to CATL...Hope Tesla will cooperate with CATL to end ICE very soon

[@brucemitchell5637]

BAHAHAHAHA!!!! not even in your wildest wet dreams little fella! BAHAHAHAHA!!!!! 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@dennispeterson6598]

CATL and Tesla have a very good relationship and Elon just visited them.

[@haint7709]

Battery tech and the potential for specs that impress us. That is where I've slways focused. How and where they are used is secondary to me. Industries will find a way to utilize them, at a profit. Thanks for all your work, E.V. (I see what you've done there ;))

[@MrkBO8]

From CATL's Thursday Announcement Department! Can hardly wait for the Friday Department's announcement!!

[@markeh1971]

Hi, you missed it actually working in a vehicle in China. So not just hype but supposed real life. Take care M.

[@ohger1]

🤣 I'm staying up all night!!!

[@marksaustralia6464]

This goes beyond 'game changing'. If the battery is patented then CATL will be the runaway producer of the globe's batteries. It will change shatter the entire energy market overnight. For example, I was on the cusp of buying a home battery, and now I'll wait for these. $10k for 10kwh is now just no longer worth it, and word will spread fast. For the home market, storage trumps generation, and these batteries could collapse massive storage companies overnight. Elon would be wise to offer a long, generous partnership with them, otherwise traveling Tesla will be mere CATL class.

[@MrGorgefla]

CATL has hit the holy grail.

[@Ds1950x]

They were so far from home, so how were they to know?

[@stefan2796]

They just won the Vaporware award of the year 2024...

[@themogget8808]

3 of them. There are 3 different CATL batteries hitting the market in the year - sodium, improved LFP, and condensed aviation batteries. They do different things at different price points. There is no single silver bullet or holy grail, but these each are an amazing innovation on their own. Together they solve nearly all the battery applications I know of, from grid storage to airplanes.

[@themogget8808]

@@stefan2796 As in making a vaporware real? Other companies have been talking about batteries for aviation and fast charging and grid storage (3 different batteries here) and CATL is actually making all three of them, for real, right now at least in pilot plant volumes. This is not a science prototype on a lab bench.

[@johnwest7993]

No mention of projected price means it's meaningless. When I see both a production battery *and* a bean-counter's actual projected production price that's reasonable, then I'll believe. Until then it's just a glossy marketing handout. It sounds like the CATL marketing department was feeding him this, and he was just reading the promotional literature. I want thoughtful, thorough evaluations, not marketing crap that fails to mention price. And I honestly don't care what a $20,000 battery pack might be able to do. I want to know what a $2,000 to $3,000 pack can do. Then I can buy an EV I can afford.

[@ericschmidt6440]

Dear Electric Viking, The unit for energy density is "watt-hours-per-kilogram". Don't forget the "hours" when talking about it in your videos. You seem to forget the hours while speaking. The energy density of this CATL battery is really incredible - but that will most likely be connected to a cost. We need to hear about the price, too.

[@junkerzn7312]

The condensed matter battery does have very high energy density, but it is also about 10x the cost of their regular lithium batteries (such as the Shenxing 2 LFP battery). That is why it is focused on aviation. If they are putting it in trucks then I'm guessing they are just demonstrators, not an actual commercially-deployed product for trucks. 4C charging means 1/4 of an hour from empty to full. 1C = 1 hour from empty to full. The C-rate only relates to "range" when you also take into account the size of the battery pack installed in the vehicle. No matter the size of the pack, 4C means the entire pack can be charged from empty to full in 1/4th of an hour (15 minutes), for a range of XYZ (size of pack x 3 to 4 -ish). In terms of cell life. LFP cells basically don't die, they just lose capacity slowly over time. Current LFP cells are generally rated around 3000 cycles at 80% depth of discharge per cycle to 80% of original capacity (after the 3000th cycle the battery has 80% of its original capacity). In an EV LFP technologies today can hit 6000. So 18000 is not actually that much of a stretch. However, even though the cells might not die, the power electronics connected to those cells certainly will. This is the true limiting factor for a LFP battery pack... the BMS and power electronics inside the sealed battery and not so much the cells themselves.

[@GON-lu4me]

SoH of LFP decreases to 80% of original capacity in less than 5 years according to the real users in China. this is huge for passenger and commercial cars which are used for over 10 years. It's simply true that LFP battery is inferior to NCM

[@markgu4165]

@@GON-lu4me your source for this claim?

[@junkerzn7312]

@@GON-lu4me You are welcome to post a reference to back-up your assertion, but you're gonna have a bit of an uphill climb proving an assertion like that. In fact.... I have stationary LFP batteries about 3 years old now myself that are sitting roughly 98% SOH vs when I originally got them. They are cycled daily at roughly 50% DOD (off-grid application). If they're gonna lose capacity, they better do it quickly to match your assertions.

[@duanehorton4680]

@@junkerzn7312 Back up, not back-up.

[@dennispeterson6598]

What's your source on the cost? And how many are they producing right now? As they scale up, the cost will go down by some percentage with each doubling of accumulated production, just like all other batteries. At least until they get down to the cost of raw materials.

[@TurnerRentz]

This is without a doubt the coolest thing I have heard today. Utterly amazing. And it does also, for you Tesla wonks out there - explain alot about what's going on at Tesla these days - this is radical change, and it requires radical response. Good work Viking

[@erhuforever]

I have no doubt that CATL's condensed battery is real and already in production. The question is cost. The fact that it is currently deployed in commercial trucking application hints it is quite expensive.

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

As they are a very big producer already , they are in the best position to scale up to affordable levels very quickly. There will be an enormous demand if the price is available for cars.😊

[@guidodraheim7123]

The Shenxing is in production, CM prototype is not.

[@tenj00]

Actually the opposite. Customers would spend much more for airplane batteries, but if they are already in trucks they must be affordable. I wonder how this will pan out.

[@markthomasson5077]

@@tenj00true, but trucks would be good to test it, before using for aircraft

[@boembo6627]

Why? are commercial truck companies stupid with money?

[@adamdukat3693]

I wish You were smacking me every day with this sort of news! The question still remains -- will I see it in my Seal? In my lifetime? Maybe not? Hard to believe it! But I can dream? Can't I? Greetings Sammy! All the best.

[@philborer877]

Congrats to you for making it on CATLs radar. Frame that letter😎😎

[@brunoblanpain]

Hi Electric Viking, just to mention to you that in Belgium the RWD longrange is also for sales - TESLA confirms on its website that the range is 600km. Keep up the good work!. Best Bruno

[@themogget8808]

We are talking about different batteries here, developed for different applications. Instead of putting the same lithium batteries in everything, there is a special cheap battery (sodium) for budget EVs and bulk/grid storage. There is a special automotive battery (LFP) that is more expensive, but is very durable, higher energy density, and very fast charging. There is a special aviation battery (condensed state), which is extremely high density, but will be so expensive it will only be used in airplanes and the highest performance luxury cars. Maybe in the long run, the aircraft batteries come down in price enough to be used for other applications, but even if they were free to make the supply/demand laws will have them bid up price by demanding application by aircraft due to constrained supply. The good news is that these specialized batteries are bringing clean power to more and more applications, accelerating the energy transition.

[@JimmyOKennedy]

You are right, it is unbelievable. Show us the evidence in some real production batteries. Maybe after a car manufacturer has implemented them, can we see real evidence.

[@bsaxman2012]

I'll add this to the game changer list. Will be nice if this becomes available in EVs.

[@LucianoLopesLima]

1 kWh/kg: We will get there!

[@hanswitvliet8188]

This kind of capacity is needed for semi trucks!

[@tgdomnemo5052]

If it works in a comercial aircraft ... it'll work just fine in any truck 😉

[@hanswitvliet8188]

@@tgdomnemo5052 I mean, current EV semi (Mercedes, Volvo, ) are useless jokes.

[@widodoakrom3938]

True

[@dr.x4050]

ALL trucks that tow.

[@markeh1971]

Hi, it’s now just adoption that is the hold up. Tesla Semi works, Pepsi are doing the proving in real life not the lab. You can see that there will be a move over due to the price advantage, as well as the legislative move against burning stuff and having to breath that in. Take care M

[@haxi52]

4:03 You said 747, but this rendering looks like a modified Tecnam. Looks like it carries 30-50 passengers. A 747 will carry 300-400 passengers. Still nice, but not quite replacing turbo fan transport aircraft yet.

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

Not a 747 ! The image shown by CATL is that of a regional class turboprop, which typically carries 50 passengers or so.

[@PETERJOHN101]

Right. There is in fact a battery powered plane in commercial service built by an Israeli company, an 8 seater. It's called ALICE and it's been in service for two years now.

[@restfulplace3273]

Good spot. We will see a resurgence of large seat capacity prop powered passenger aircraft

[@restfulplace3273]

@@PETERJOHN101there’s a few others, some flight school and contractors who specialise in short haul flights suited to the battery range are using battery powered electric aircraft Def an area to watch as it will grow

[@aineo2888]

Sorry Sam, this battery does not exceed the 400Wh/kg threshold for commercial flight. At 205Wh/kg it is just past the halfway mark to reach it. Read the mail @0:48 Also, please stop confusing energy density (Wh/kg) with power density (W/kg), they are fundamentally different properties.

[@dennispeterson6598]

Apparently a different battery. See the linked CATL page, it says 500Wh/kg.

[@terryward1422]

Imagine the impact on renewable energy projects. The grid storage version would require less battery units, provide power to the grid for more hours reducing the cost of the entire project. Lower cost grid solutions could help speed up the adoption of renewable energy solutions on a global scale. There is a lot to think about here...

[@4203105]

Lower cost grid storage with a battery that costs 10 times as much?

[@danncorbit3623]

I love the way you get excited over clean technology. I wonder, "Why doesn't everybody?"

[@BillMitchell-lm8dg]

Hmmm.... Does Sam Evans think "Wh" means "watt"? It means "watt-hour", Sam, a unit of energy!

[@budawang77]

An easy mistake to make. I’m sure he knows the difference.

[@robertfonovic3551]

​@@budawang77 don't count on it.

[@whowhy9023]

We all know, relax.

[@donaldduck5731]

As a rocket scientist I’m smart enough to know what he means. Thanks for the heads up Bill, a bit tragic though.

[@WarHater-X]

You must be an engineer to be so precise 😂😂😂

[@dennispeterson6598]

If this is anywhere near getting cheap and scalable enough for cars, it could help explain Tesla's cuts to the 4680 and Supercharger teams, especially since Musk just visited CATL.

[@alibro7512]

It has always been just a matter of time before battery technology developed to the point where ICE cars were redundant. We're not there yet but I believe it will happen in the next ten years.

[@PETERJOHN101]

Even with current LFP tech we have price parity with ICE cars due to the efficiency of batteries over combustion, ie, fuel savings and near zero maintenance over the life of the car.

[@blasterguam]

Yes, we are getting there. By 2028-2030 we should start seeing mostly EVs

[@rand49er]

I would like to see an independent verification of this and a discussion of the technology used.

[@briancampbell179]

Amprius announced a 500kWh/kg battery last year having solved the 100% silicon anode problem. If CATL have found another way to achieve 500kWh that does not involve a silicon anode, then unless that technology precludes the use of silicon, then there is probably no reason the two innovations can't be combined. The same goes for solid state electrolytes. I raise this because the headline to the video announcing that this "ends solid state" is silly unless it does something that makes it incompatible with solid state batteries. The other thing to keep in mind is that there are so many announcements of "game changing" improvements in the technology that if all came to fruition, we'd be driving 2,000km on a pair of $5 AA cells by now. Those who are dubious about getting overly excited based on press releases are well justified.

[@Mino987]

Today AMPX earning call. Will be heavy loss?

[@1InVader1]

Careful, the Electric Viking might make a news video about your comment.

[@PETERJOHN101]

Even with current LFP tech we have price parity with ICE cars due to the efficiency of batteries over combustion, ie, fuel savings and near zero maintenance over the life of the car. And with battery costs dropping 50% this year...

[@bossman6174]

I wish I could share your enthusiasm. I hear about breakthroughs so many times but I am in the market now for another EV but the 1000Mile one is nowhere to be seen.

[@PETERJOHN101]

You don't need to drive a thousand miles without stopping😂

[@anguscampbell1533]

If this is true then it should reduce the weight of EV's then? Reducing the weight down to below that of an compatible ICE car is critical since it not only reduces the energy needed for movement but also reduces the wear and tear on any mechanical components, the four tires and the pavement. It may also enable the use of heavier more recycle able body components thus eliminating plastics altogether?

[@PETERJOHN101]

Current battery tech makes EVs the same weight as full size ICE SUVs, meaning the same weight is in a slightly smaller footprint.

[@blinkingmanchannel]

There are several comments asking clarification of power density. Please add mine to that group. Gasoline is liquid and batteries are solid, so there's a translation. I think the standard unit is megajouls per kilogram, but I also see 12.2kWh per kg... I can't tell if "watts" is shorthand, or what... Also I'm new to this unit of measure. Keep going. love your channel so far.

[@kerryberland2847]

500 watt hours per kilogram = 1.8 megajoules per kilogram.

[@blinkingmanchannel]

@@kerryberland2847 Thank you! Okay I found a chart that looks like it agrees with your number for Li battery. 👍 On that chart, gasoline has about 50Mj/kg… I’m trying to understand the assertion that batteries are more energy dense than gasoline. …Okay the y-axis on that chart is “specific energy” (maybe?) and that looks like about 100x more than Lithium ion batteries… I still don’t think I’m understanding this. One is storage and the other is release rate, right? At least one of these ought to show battery greater than gasoline….? Please explain Sam…? I want to hear that we’ve solved fossil fuels while I wasn’t looking, but I don’t see it yet…?

[@PRCOutdoor]

"CATL sent me an email" 😂 that should have been the title

[@RNMSC]

I'm curious how the change in power source will affect aviation landings. As it stands a significant percentage of a long flight take off weight isn't there at landing because the jet fuel has been consumed. this has been enough that when commercial jets experience difficulties during takeoff and ascent, if they need to return to the airport, they have historically dumped fuel. With a battery, the aircraft is not going to have that option, (or if it does, we're talking about dumping a fairly expensive battery, perhaps it will have a glide control feature that allows it to glide to designated safe drop sites?) How much training will commercial pilots moving to these systems have to go through to become familiar with the new handling characteristics of the aircraft, both at takeoff, where it's likely to be somewhat lighter, and landing, where it will be significantly heavier?

[@eddiegardner8232]

The way I heard this is 205 WHr/kg for car priced batteries, and 500 WHr/kg for "condensed" AEROSPACE priced batteries. Not 500 WHr/kg for CAR batteries. 205 is about 80% less than NMC batteries in Teslas, although at a lower cost per KWhr, and with faster charging and presumably higher fire safety and cycle life; maybe also the ability to charge daily to 100% to get all the juice out it per charge. A 500 WHr/kg car battery would be more of a game changer IF it were priced right, but not at aerospace prices (except for luxury supercars).

[@jsanders100]

Great, I’m excited too

[@Gerry-t1w]

With a complete combustion or fission , approx. 8 kWh of heat can be generated from 1 kg of coal, approx. 12 kWh from 1 kg of mineral oil and around 24,000,000 kWh from 1 kg of uranium-235. There is still room to explore.

[@paulsanders9876]

will also lower vehicle weight if you are using 1/2 as much and still go further than its predecessor. Even if costs up to twice as much your are in front a lot!

[@4literv6]

The catl semi solid state pack of 150kwh in the nio et7 by welion weighs just 44# more overall than the same size pack by catl using nmc cells of just 100kwh capacity. So a tesla model s could use this for 40%+ more range at no weight penalty or cut 350-450# out and keep around 100kwhs and 400+miles. Bringing a model S lr down to around 4,000-4,200# from 4,400# now. It will be interesting imo to see what ev oems do once this tech is avaipable widely spread cheaply in a couple year's. I think luxury and suv/truck makers keep massive pack's for big range and to serve towing needs. While mid size segment model's keep similar useable capacity but drop the 200-300# in weight and I bet the low end evs just stick to lfp/lmfp/m3p or sodium cheaper style cells. But improve the charging speeds for better daily useability.

[@EarlGr3yHot]

Did they give you any details on the chemical makeup of the condensed battery? Just curious what anode, cathode and electrolyte they used. Also I'd like to see the cold weather performance. I'd imagine it would have to be pretty good to be able to go into a plane though

[@vancity2349]

The same company that stated they will have a 1,000,000 mile EV battery warranty with max 5 % degradation

[@JoeMcMorrow-k7e]

Yeah sounds like Toyota banging on about their top secret batteries and hydrogen cars and all that other clap trap they come out with

[@budbud2509]

WOW All that fantastic mileage powered by Coal ......

[@DubEther]

@@budbud2509 In the US, coal accounts for 16% (and falling) of energy production.

[@mememaster147]

@@DubEther ...and the UK just shut its last coal power station.

[@edo3169]

@@budbud2509 solar/renewables are a larger % every day coal is less every day

[@brianbeasley7270]

Great news. However if one doubled the energy density in a Tesla Model 3, at best it would get about 750 miles range. That would still be pretty fantastic. However, I would downsize the battery to 500 mile (real world range) which would lower the weight by 25% for better acceleration, reduce the polar moments for better handling, and have a knock-on effect for range. We should expect to see these in passenger vehicles in the US within 3 years. Fast charging and 500 mile real world range by 2026/27 basically should mean the end of ICE passenger cars for especially anyone with home charging. Buying a higher maintenance, higher cost to operate, noisy, rougher, and polluting ICE vehicle without the benefit of home fueling would basically be stupidity for almost every use case.

[@archiebunker5256]

WATT HOUR not WATT. CATN shown you numbers in Wh.

[@BillMitchell-lm8dg]

RIGHT! "Wh" is NOT watts. It's watt-HOURS - a unit of ENERGY, not power (which a watt is).

[@grantbuttenshaw]

Per kg

[@aaaaa5272]

Yea, he has clearly not understood exactly what he is talking about.

[@perperers2502]

@@BillMitchell-lm8dg You don't need to make silly corrections. Everyone knows it's watt hours when talking about energy but it's hard to find people still using the hours extension when talking about batteries.

[@AORD72]

Sam is thick.

[@ChicagoBob123]

Reducing the cells and weight in cars would increases the range reduce the weight. The suspension can be lighter. Basically everything gets cheaper and lighter.

[@tewrgh]

This was announced a year ago. There isn't a commercial product yet. I'm not sure this qualifies as news. No disrespect but The Electric Viking needs to Google first, then create videos.

[@PETERJOHN101]

He made the vid because CATL reached out to him.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

Interesting. I rarely put more than 100km of gasoline in my car. Thus would never require 600 km charging. Important as this breakthrough is, super fast charging is far more important than battery range in the road vehicle sector. Aviation is a separate ball game.

[@TotoNut]

amazing that catl took the effort to write to you.

[@holdon4992]

Not really. It’s business and social media cannot be ignored. It’s simply a press release probably using a form letter format they send to any site that is relevant. If true, great. Otherwise it’s just another form of marketing.

[@johnpro2847]

I will be rude here.."useful idiot" is often the expression used

[@brucemitchell5637]

EV manufacturers are ALWAYS looking for shills to promote they're crap. LOL! 😂😂😂

[@robertfonovic3551]

Are you serious?😅😅

[@vasthefox]

Someone in the communications department at CATL must have made the decision that a KZbin channel with over 100 thousand subscribers should get an email. It's not like they flew him over to China. It's just an email and this channel is popular enough. The criticism of this channel in the comments is actually a good thing for relevance as per the the KZbin algorithm.

[@yvanpimentel9950]

For electric planes, what is needed is a drop off battery, a primary battery that will be dropped off after you reach level flights and it will land by itself like a drum and a nearby airport. The body will discharge first and the second battery will be fully charged.At mid-flight, so you get a flying plane with a fully charged battery.I'm lighter

[@robertlynn7624]

Lets see some cycle life and discharge rates before we get too excited. There are many batteries with >500Wh/kg, but most of them don't last more than 100 cycles.

[@erktrek]

Didn't EV say 18,000 cycles or was that for one of the other batteries.

[@Lanieandwill]

Lol he did say 18000 cycles what yall on rn?

[@lennyvalentin6485]

@@erktrek The way he said it didn't confirm the 18k cycles was for the 500Wh/kg battery, so I assume that's actually another battery cell altogether. That CATL doesn't state any other performance characteristics than energy density and charging speed could be interpreted as those aspects might be less than impressive. Like, manufacturability/price, cycle count, shelf life, low temp performance and so on. We'll have to wait and see I guess. A 500Wh/kg cell battery pack that's no more expensive per Wh than current cells (ideally no more expensive PER CELL), can be manufactured at scale and has at least comparable cycle/shelf life, charging speed and low temp performance as currently available cells would kill combustion cars pretty much dead as it is. And much more so if any other factors are superior to current cells as well. I'd suggest caution rather than exuberance here though. Chinese companies aren't always the most trustworthy, unfortunately.

[@robertlynn7624]

@@erktrek that's for low energy density battery.

[@bytemark6508]

that's a very big step toward the goal of energy transition from fossil fuels, but before we say we can do that, we need to know a few more things: price, charging speed and number of cycles.

[@SkepticalCaveman]

Charging 1 km per second!? That's 180 km in 3 minutes! That is fast.

[@RussellHank-t3t]

It's also 450 miles in 12 minutes and 6 seconds.

[@alanbaker8354]

If they’re contacting you directly Viking ……. You’ve hit the big time👍🏻👍🏻

[@markjonz]

Nowhere near enough energy density for airliners. CATL’s email mentioned a “ton-class prototype”. But still a very promising development.

[@erktrek]

I dunno considering they are testing short hop electric aircraft now using current batteries.. Do you know what energy density is needed for (at least) US domestic flights then?

[@markjonz]

@@erktrekThis is covered in some detail in the paper “Considerations for Reducing Aviation’s CO2 with Aircraft Electric Propulsion” by Alan H. Epstein But 1500 kWh per kg is mentioned. The paper is well worth reading for anyone seriously interested in aviation and it discusses H2 also.

[@i6power30]

​@@erktrekthere is no way the US will use Chinese batteries for aviation.. national security risk.

[@PETERJOHN101]

There is already a battery powered plane in commercial service built by an Israeli company. It's been in service for two years now. It's called ALICE.

[@4203105]

500Wh/kg is enough for short distance flights, even for big airliners. You can fly about half of europe with that. 1000Wh/kg is of course where it becomes really interesting. That's all of europe, a good part of the US, etc. I can see big arilines ordering battery planes at that point, for most of their routes. Not only would that save them a lot of money, they could also start and land at night.

[@johnwenzel2003]

This would definitely open up possibilities for motorcycles, ATVs and water craft. Not sure if the numbers work out but a workable battery electric cargo ship may be in sight as well; though I shudder to think what it would take to change it.

[@Poetry-Reads-and-Writes]

I’m definitely getting an EV when I return to the UK from Taiwan. Charging in 10 min or less is what I’m after. All these technological innovations are very encouraging. Liked and resubscribed. (KZbin unsubscribed me for some reason).

[@martinwinlow]

Why the need for such rapid charging?

[@Globalscanningeyes]

​@@martinwinlowbetter to have it and not need it,then need it and not have it.

[@martinwinlow]

@@Globalscanningeyes I suppose so but you will pay a hefty premium to be able to charge so fast. I wonder if you will actually ever use it rather than just have a battery size capable of 3 to 4 hours of driving (~250 miles) and just charge it at a much slower rate on a 'normal' rapid charger (~100kW) in the time it takes to have lunch. The cost saving of using a slower charger would pay for your lunch! And if you rarely do long trips, a smaller battery and charging at home is all you would ever need. Save a fortune on buying the smaller battery and saving a lot of energy, too, not having to haul a huge battery around everywhere you go.

[@chinpinhon]

@@martinwinlow On the other hand, the size of the battery can be reduced if you only need a range of 250 miles, and that will translate into a reduction of size and weight and hence efficiency of the car. Perhaps EV manufacturers will take this into consideration.

[@Globalscanningeyes]

@@martinwinlow the bigger the battery the lower the charging cycle which reduces the speed of battery degradation.

[@RussellHank-t3t]

There is still too much obsession with range in EVs. Nobody but truckers and trains need range greater than 450. Even as a trucker, I wasn't allowed to drive more than 6 straight hours without a 15 minute break. Cars Should be built heavy enough and strong enough to stay on the road and protect the passengers. Other than that no weight should add to inefficiency unless it can be justified. a range of 1000 miles for a passenger car isn't good enough reason to lower its efficiency. I would support a 600 mile optional upgrade but no more than 450 standard unless the weight is needed to provide traction.

[@nickmcconnell1291]

Hmmm....CATL announces it's going to create the largest charging network? Does Tesla's decision to scale back its chargers make sense now? They probably knew this and we didn't. In light of this it may mean that Tesla doesn't want to compete with CATL..... my guess is that Tesla has a non-compete contract with CATL and that would explain why they never tried to setup a 4680 line there. Now I wonder whether the whole 4680 program was actually a bargaining chip to force lower prices with CATL?

[@4203105]

Tesla's decision to fire the entire supercharger team was due to Elon's wounded ego. No, it does not make sense.

[@nickmcconnell1291]

@@4203105 I don't think autistic people have as much ego as the rest of us. They are much more interested in the truth.

[@robertbelongia6887]

Such a shame car manufacturers didn’t design for replacement battery packs. Older EV’s prices are cratering. I’d like to retrofit newer tech in an Cadillac ELR.

[@shiwanthagimhani6803]

My favourite pump and dump channel Keep it up..

[@subthousandoaks]

Amen. Couldn't have said it better myself

[@StarDustMoonRocket]

Likely right.

[@kazedcat]

He keeps pumping but there is no dumping. Diamond hands.

[@tgdomnemo5052]

Let me guess petrol head ? infested, ehm, invested in oil ? 😆🖖🏽😌

[@petterbirgersson4489]

Catl is one of the biggest and most established battery manufacturers in the world. It is not "pump and dump".

[@freeheeler09]

Great news. Maybe we will eventually see an affordable EV or affordable home storage batteries in the US

[@Takudza]

I just want to know if it will make EVs more affordable and when.

[@ctuna2011]

It already has in China and places that don't have import Tariffs on Chinese cars.

[@PETERJOHN101]

​@@ctuna2011 Sure, but BYD cars are crap and couldn't pass safety standards in the US.

[@favesongslist]

@@PETERJOHN101 Tesla China already use with CATL batteries. Cannot wait to see what Tesla China produces using this new tech.

[@WarHater-X]

This is a bottom line question for the consumers 👍👍👍

[@Takudza]

@@PETERJOHN101 Do you really believe that? Because it’s completely untrue. I have test driven one. There’s a lot of them on Australian roads. The tariffs are to protect the American Auto industry.

[@i3looi2]

I think we should see PAST the car market (Which is already at a viable spot) ... semis,trucks,boats,planes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@toriwatson9655]

What a time to be alive! CATL are amazing, I'm getting excited too Sam!

[@robertt1336]

Imagine how light a model 3 performance could be if they cut the size (weight) of battery in half and maintained similar range figures. Would be one great handling EV

[@PETERJOHN101]

That appears to be the game plan with reduced range versions of M3 and Y.

[@christopherj2231]

Another good video Viking...keep it up.

[@vantongerent]

Great to hear this news! Question: where is the 500 WHr / Kg coming from? The press release he flashed says 205 WHr / Kg? Thanks!

[@FaceSalmon]

Thank you:)

[@darrincooper1318]

Just what the roadster 2 needs 🔥🔥🔥

[@ahaveland]

Awesome news, but it is Wh/kg which is energy per kg, not W/kg which is power per kg. These are NOT the same thing.

[@PETERJOHN101]

He knows, he knows, it's just a form of shorthand.

[@4203105]

@@PETERJOHN101 No, it's a form of rage bait, to drive comments and please the algorithm.

[@5nowChain5]

Ita a matter of time and realworld hours clocked up on the stability of these cells under all weather conditions and vibration conditions. HGV's could easily have upgraded trailers with Giant cell packs loaded under the chassis which could be swapped out for fast charging turn around.

[@donblythe3766]

Sam you bring us the best news consistently in this new battery by CATL is just amazing and I certainly hope that all the cars and trucks and aircraft and boats will be able to get these batteries. Cleaner air means less cancer which is the whole reason that anybody that had any doubt about going electric should now be converted to the future of clean energy for the whole world!

[@Withnail1969]

they are all made by burning lots and lots of lovely diirty coal my friend

[@julianchung9215]

​@@Withnail1969which Australia sells to China....😊

[@Withnail1969]

@@julianchung9215 China produces 4 billion tons of coal a year itself. It does not depend on Australian coal though it does import some. It's a drop in the ocean.

[@julianchung9215]

@@Withnail1969 let me clarify, my comment is that Australians relies on China's money for coal. Not the other way around.

[@dubbchi]

Super cool that CATL emailed you directly! Do they email you often?

[@JohnEAvenson]

Excellent report. Thank you

[@guidodraheim7123]

a misleading report however.

[@santsuma]

SAM... Love your work Bro. But... at 1:00 you quoted Elon saying 400 watts per kilo... You're one of the top EV expert guys on YT...so, with all due respect get used to saying watthours per kiloGRAM, instead of "watts per kilo¨... Batteries are defined by their stored ENERGY capacity. That's watthours (smartphoines, notebooks) or kilowatthours (for EVs). Symboil for kilo--> lowercase k Symbol for mega--> uppercase M Symboil for watt--> uppercase W kW and MW are power units, used for electric motors and generatrors, not for batteries. EV batteries are defined by their stored energy--> MWh or kWh Another very important EV battery characteristic is it's DENSITY (stored energy per kilogram)--> kWh per kilogram--> kWh/kg... Btw, these news about CATL developing the 500 Wh/kg density is fantastic.

[@douginorlando6260]

A battery like that would allow someone with solar power home electricity to go off grid completely and not worry about a rare week straight of cloudy weather depleting their home battery. They could charge up their EV at the public charge station, drive home and replenish their house battery with the charge. Or they could barter KWh of electricity with anyone who has their own off-the-grid solar powered home

[@duanehorton4680]

Solar-powered should be hyphenated.

[@jhallpk]

Amprius had this along with 3rd party charge speed validation months ago. Just because a company is big doesnt mean everything they say will happen actually does happen, just look at Toyota's solid state battery which has been promised for so long at this point its devolved into a meme.

[@thesparetimephysicist9462]

100 kWh in a model 3 will give you slightly more range than a model S. Perhaps close to 500 miles but not 1000 as you state. Currently it does 341 with a 82 kWh battery, but the new battery would be lighter and increase range in that way. Depending on the volumetric density of the battery it might be possible to pack 200 kWh into a model S, and you would get around 800 miles of range.

[@4literv6]

Our next energy did that year's ago already with an in house prototype stock battery case model S, achieving 750+miles at hwy speeds in the cold Michigan weather and 850+in summer. You can find the videos on here of it. Same dude who sadly got sold out by the obummer admin when he was leading the a123 battery company providing the og fisker karma with cells and had lfp patents that then got sold out to China. 😏

[@edo3169]

all that is needed is 200 mile range for +90% of your daily driving .even on road trips most people need to stop within 3 hrs for a break and you can top off then!

[@flat6croc]

@@edo3169 100 miles would be enough for the vast majoruty of journies. But that isn't the point. In many geographies, access to a working fast charger en route can't always be assumed. Likewise, many people can;'t charge at home. All of which feeds in to the desire for really long range. If you could go, say, 2,000 miles on a charge, then not being able to charge at home would be much less of an issue if you only had to charge once a month or whatever. Likewise, you wouldn't need to charge for almost any journey. Obviously 2,000 miles is extreme. The point is more that 200 miles isn't much use if you are struggling to access good charging facilities. Maybe where you live, that's not a problem, but it is a real problem for many geographies. There are a lot of factors that go in to making EVs genuinely practical for universal use.

[@dennispeterson6598]

@@edo3169 I like stopping for five minutes, not 20-30 minutes.

[@SteveLomas-k6k]

@@dennispeterson6598 Yup, and if I do want to stop for 30 minutes, it'll be wherever and whenever I want, not mandated by my car.

[@Ottomanmint]

Never mind the energy density, but how do you deal with the Airbus Battery Igniting mid flight with 500+ passengers on board?

[@JoeMcMorrow-k7e]

If these developments are commercially viable, current battery packs could be halved in weight but offer more density, this in itself will increase range. The same 80kwh battery pack would be substantially smaller and weigh less - but introducing more range. Not to mention cost reductions. It is every ICE car manufacturer's worst nightmare.

[@ohger1]

ICE manufacturers also make and sell EVs. I think the nightmare scenario is for the EV haters out there.

[@WlerickBigotOfficial]

Those batteries (if they rallye exists right now) are way more expensive, but if you have 500 kW/kg battery pack density, then you don't need 80 kWh anymore in your car, but only 70 or even 60, which meens cost reduction (less expensive cells in the pack) and even more weight saving. That's a total win-win situation 👌

[@JoeMcMorrow-k7e]

@@ohger1 Why don't ICE manufacturers get on with it then? What is the delay? I don't care who makes them as long as they get on with it.

[@ohger1]

@@JoeMcMorrow-k7e The "delay" is customer resistance. The only EV maker making money right now is Tesla, and a lot of the money they're making isn't coming from actual car sales. Legacy makers are walking the tight line between producing EVs waiting for the change of customer wants and bankruptcy. Ford is trying to hold on while waiting for more acceptance of the Lightning and Mach E (both excellent efforts btw - I've driven both). The fact is that right now, if any Legacy stopped ICE production and switched to EV, they'd be bankrupt in less than two years.

[@JoeMcMorrow-k7e]

@@ohger1 the delay is not customer resistance. The delay is self-interested corporations not giving a stuff about their customers. Why do you think there was such resistance to a Tesla online purchase model? because the poor customer did not have to get shafted by the sales team at the local stealership? Tesla is making piles of cash off of every car they sell, because they are continually driving down the cost to manufacture. They don't buy in the bits from everywhere else, all of the 3rd party suppliers lumping on their margins. Where I do agree with you is Ford - they are the best of the rest and doing as much as they can. I have never driven either Ford EV but I am sure they are indeed excellent cars. What everyone needs to worry about, including Tesla by the way, is what Chinese manufacturers are doing in the EV space. The development is relentless and the prices are low, with enormous variety. You can knock Chinese EVs if you like, in the same way Japanese imports were first derided with their chain drive cars. EVs do not need servicing, they do not need filters or brake disks or pads or oil or filters or exhausts or clutches or gearboxes or spark plugs or injectors or anything else that keeps the dealership money extraction machine in fine fettle. I have been fortunate to have many cars, V12 Jags, V6 Jags, Saabs all the way down to a Ford Fiesta and even a couple of Chryslers but there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. The longer the legacy auto industry take to pivot, the worse it will be. It is not a matter of having to continue with ICE - because the Chinese don't care and artificial tariffs, well they work both ways. As battery packs get cheaper and offer longer range and faster charging, the pressure on ICE will get worse, and rapidly. As for bankruptcy, Toyota is in hock with someone else's money to the tune of $280 billion, and servicing that debt just became expensive, no zero percent any more. VW is second and I think Ford is third - they are all trying to spend their way out of this with someone else's money. I want to see them ALL succeed, people retain good jobs, but no amount of Kodak saying Digital photography was rubbish (which by the way they invented) eventually washed with a public who could make their own decisions, without all the frenetic FUD.

[@johndoe1909]

great. can it be produced at volume and cost? does it last? dies it recharge fast? does it support the temp range needed?

[@mantobrew]

Wow another game changing battery of the day

[@PETERJOHN101]

How dare you refer to *G*ame *C*hanging tech with such lower case frivolity! 😂

[@stevengriffin7873]

Yeh the rate of new development is stunning,only watched a video from this f'wit a couple of days ago about the last game changer.At this rate by the end of the week they'll have cracked it.

[@not1word331]

The question is, what is the game?

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

A battery fire in an automobile is quite a different thing that a battery fire aboard an aircraft. The latter is unthinkable.

[@dennispeterson6598]

A fuel fire in an aircraft is also unthinkable. In automobiles, battery fires are a lot less common than fuel fires.

[@MgMreast]

Thanks for bringing the latest innovations. you deserve every credit for the amazing work you do.