Oxford begins mass production of game changing solar panels in the US

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[@electricviking]

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[@samijokinen9246]

It is price per kW what interests me. It doesn't matter so much what the efficiency is, but price and lifetime. Everyone has their own criteria but these are mine.

[@MrCoffis]

also available surface is a limiting factor too so efficiency is also an important factor.

[@FauxQue-yk8dt]

That's it exactly. New tech always hits the market with a premium price. I just bought a pallet of 15 used mixed panels in the 325 to 375w range for $600. 5 of the LG panels had a note that they are temporary removed. Date of manufacture is Nov 2022 They're not even 2 years old. My original 10- 370w Bovina panels are going to be 4 years old the end of this month. The others are Canadian Solar and Jinko.

[@billdoodson4232]

Yep 20% efficiency at half the price would be fine by me. However, 30% at the same price, now you are talking, worth it for more power on the roof.

[@DataGeek903]

Yep. So it's 24.5%, but if China can make 20% efficient panel for 20% of the cost .. latter is better because if u lose one panel it's cheap to replace...

[@TheFeist77]

I would love to believe all the new and better battery tech would come, but I am used to being let down, so I am a little pessimistic. I love your show for the optimistic tone, but one of the reasons I need this, is because I tend to lean pessimistic and you ad balance.

[@frenchydampier2209]

I live in Northern America., we gained power by using bi-facial vertical panels. Oriented east-West instead of south facing.. In the winter there may be almost a month with clouded sky’s and no direct sunshine. In addition snow may build up on the panels. By going vertical panels avoid snow covering. And because both sides gather light reflected off of snow. Further vertical panels collect early sunrise and late sunset better. While not overheating the panels ( and reducing output ) during midday because sun at noon is shinning on the edge not the face. Meanwhile reflected sunlight is charging both sides of the panels.

[@josephmcphee9143]

That’s interesting. How are they mounted? Are they on the roof or are they on the ground?

[@Alans-qm5ch]

Most on the ground, or supports fixed on flat surface

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

@frenchydampier2209 what is the daily production and your latitude ?

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

@frenchydampier2209 you have long twilights as well. How does that help production. ?

[@heartflame503]

@@josephmcphee9143 Some are so cheap that you can use them for fencing around your property or as the barrier for your balcony.

[@danielgrayling5032]

"Things aren't improving" I'm in my 30's. I remember reading books on a plane when because there was no other option. I remember using my parents casette player to listen to music. We had a computer in 2011 that you had to wait seconds for it to respond when you click. Do the people who say this not have memories? I remember thinking things aren't going to improve much. And then I was wrong. And then I was wrong. And then I was wrong. I learn from experience.

[@MalcolmRose-l3b]

"I'm in my 30's. I remember reading books on a plane when because there was no other option" - I still feel that way 😀😀

[@stoapfalzrunden4150]

I remember getting a warm meal not only a sandwich on the flight. I remember watching TV while now the displays have been ripped of the airplanes. I remember i had some room for my long legs without booking a more expensive seat... ;)

[@MalcolmRose-l3b]

@@stoapfalzrunden4150 I remember flying Delta and getting a hot meal with an actual knife and fork. And this was in steerage, not first class.

[@TonkarzOfSolSystem]

Consumer electronics have improved. But so many other things have gotten worse. Clothing, furniture, housing, employment... the list of things that have steadily gotten worse (whether it's in quality, longevity and/or cost) over the last 30 years is long and practically endless.

[@TimMountjoy-zy2fd]

Since 2010 we have added about 3% per year to PV efficiency and it feels like that as we slowly moved from around 15% to 22% currently. Interestingly Panel prices have dropped 8% per year. So 5% of that 8% has come from the 1000+ little innovations that come in mass manufacturing and synchronising supply chains (A Chinese Speciality). So these panel could be the first time we actually make a jump forward rather than incremental progress.

[@sdrc92126]

Nobody cares about efficiency, it's all about cost per watt

[@Winnetou17]

@@sdrc92126 Up to a point. There's plenty of cases where the space is limited, so the efficiency matters. Yeah, of course, if it costs double to get 10% more energy nobody will buy that. But if it costs 20% more for 10% more energy some people will get that. While it's more cost per watt, it's still less power from the grid which costs even more per watt, so overall net positive.

[@sdrc92126]

@@Winnetou17 Those use cases are limited to special applications like in space where weight is the over riding factor or remote sensing applications, but I don't know of any large scale deployments where this works

[@lyracian]

Glad to here these are hitting production. Thank you for the update.

[@electricviking]

Glad you like them!

[@mariebaxter473]

Good call , my first panel was 11% Eff 20 years ago last years purchased panels at 21.2 % Eff , so not waiting millions of years for tech jumps , All happening in my life time ,

[@OasisAmps]

Solar panels are marching toward the future like all technology, power goes up while the price comes down. Soon homes off the Grid will be the norm, we need to monetize it so our h9me will produce not only power but also income. Oasis Amps.

[@SparkySho]

Solar without storage is incomplete

[@SparkySho]

Oxford University professor Henry Snaith

[@SparkySho]

It’s gon get better Mr Sam they’re fn tunable !!!!! Like tuning a piano guitar or banjo

[@SparkySho]

2017!they REALLY hit a lick !!!

[@GM-qh2ki]

​@@SparkyShoIt's still better than no solar! :)

[@MindFusion-ij1xl]

Suggest you explain WHY your house is cooler when PV is on roof- some know, some will wonder, it is a huge, free, advantage IF the air between the PV and roof is let to escape on its own, for example, on a pitched roof or many inches above the existing flat roof.

[@WJV9]

I think it is self explanatory that solar panels on a roof will shade the original roof and block the solar radiation from heating the roof and attic of the home. Of course all solar panels have to be mounted on rails about the roof a few inches to allow rain to drain normally down to the gutters. I don't like the idea of drilling holes in a roof to mount solar panels as that will set up a possibility of water leaking when wind pushes and pulls the solar panels and causes roof fasteners to loosen.

[@kneekoo]

1:13 "Oxford have increased the efficiency by a further 20%." - in relation to what? That shold've been mentioned up front. I thougt they came up with an extra 20% of the solar power potential here on Earth, which would've been indeed revolutionary - going up to 40-45%. Anyway, one big issue with perovskites was the fast degradation of the solar cells. It would've been nice to touch on that topic and tell us what they've come up with for the production version of their panels. Maybe they achieved a _"good enough for now"_ durability, but I doubt they're anywhere close to the currently installed panels, which last for decades. Hopefully they got a lot better than they were just 1-2 years ago. Otherwise the bang for buck is still not there. P.S. I checked, and their press release from September 5th doesn't mention durability at all. These panels may be great for utilities who recoup their investment before the panels degrade, so it makes sense they're interested. For home owners who want to use them over the long term, it's unsure they're at the level required for a reasonable return on investment.

[@miked8121]

Nice. The solar panels produce 421 watts of power. My original panels installed in 2012 only produce 180 watts. Just added 4 more panels from Germany that produce 30 watts per panel.

[@miked8121]

Oops, that should be 380 watts per panel not 30.

[@kaf2303]

V-cool to see this tech coming to fruition!, thanks Sam, cheers

[@electricviking]

You bet!

[@steveclancy7832]

Hallelujah a game changer ! I was having withdrawals from a week without a game changer....

[@johnroberts4444]

lmfao You wild for that . thank you for the laugh

[@michaelmartin9022]

I have the old small Anker power station, it's the size of an old CD/Radio/Casette boombox and twice as heavy. The newer one, with basically the same capabilities (though a slightly smaller capacity), is half the size and weight, and that was inside about 5 years!

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

You can buy jumbo jets that are electric right now in China. Batteries just recently became energy dense enough to make longer flights with larger airplanes possible and supposedly Panasonic has batteries about to go into production that are more than double those in energy density. Meanwhile prices have dropped by like 80% in about six years and they should drop another 80% in a similar chunk of time.

[@freddymax5256]

@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 Check your sources.

[@KrustyKlown]

?? SunPower and Canadian Solar have 23% efficent solar panels now. OxfordPV is a little higher at 27%, but what about the cost and life span which are MUCH MORE important metrics??

[@andrewallen9918]

27%? They're not that high, not yet at least. 24.5% was quoted for the commercialised perovskite so not much higher than existing commercial panels and the degradation rate is unproven.

[@alberthartl8885]

They are 3 years late but great to finally have them in the market. Any idea which module fabricators are using these cells?

[@levinanji9649]

Their efficiency is around 26.9%.....however, the best solar tech yields around 31%, from China or Saudi Arabia

[@Silversqueeze2025]

Yes hetro junction achieves more than 31% way better than old Oxford 26.9% efficiency

[@PG-gs5vb]

@@Silversqueeze2025 Are they in mass production?

[@serpserpserp]

Great they did it. But ultimately two things are likely to happen: 1. China will make incremental upgrades to its panel tech but drop the price in a big way. 2. China will reverse engineer this and essentially start mass producing this by the time Oxford get around to their mass production. Your video mentioned YEARS before they scale production. Who knows what tech advancements will come in that time. Plus if we are covering the planet with efficient panels NOW, no one is going to rip those up in a couple of years for a few % performance gain.

[@alan2102X]

China probably has its own peroskovite (sp?) development project(s) underway. Doubtful that they need to reverse engineer anything. But their focus now is the new topcon and related technologies that greatly increase power output. In production right now.

[@alanbgtan]

I just don't care if China can reverse- engineer it or not as long as I, the end users, can better my life. I have been tricked before. Remember the days of 386 & 387 Intel chips. It changed and progressed every 6 months once you bought those computers with that chip. Now I learnt my lessons.

[@ChickensAndGardening]

Don't worry! There are lots of bare rooftops left.

[@b.g.6667]

They are allready on there way. Is Oxford copy? End of last year - China Three Gorges commissions 1 MW pilot PV plant with perovskite panels. Mitsu&Co running allerady a 100MW production and will have GW large-area cells by end of this year. They think to reach up to 28% efficency nexy year. Longhi, one if not the biggest has taken back the woldrecord from Saudi Arabian ! KAUST with 34.6% efficency and get to this level: LONGi announces a new world record efficiency of 30.1% for commercial M6-size wafer-level silicon-perovskite tandem solar cells. Should they cry copycat?

[@NiejakiDD]

The timing is not coincidence. USA just seek to derisking/decoupling from China so obviously there are parties which try to launch themselves as replacement of Chinese suppliers. That's ok, provident the PRICE is reasonable 👈

[@sb-fx3cp]

This type of efficiency is great for RVs and campers. Also a little bit more improvement will make solar panels meaningful on top of cars.

[@MarcoNierop]

@3:42 STARLINK! Awesome installation dude! I have 14 solar panels on my roof since 2014, they have a 275Wp rating, I bet your panels of the same size have a 450wp rating, right? almost twice the capacity. I have added an Enphase 1Q Battery 5P last week, and my house is at time of writing running on battery power! Making me even more independant of the grid. So during the night it runs on the battery, but early in the morning it charges up in just 2 hours back to 100% Maybe in a few years I will replace the solar panels with new ones with higher rating, if these Perovskite panels become available at cheaper prices, that would be awesome, but then probably a new converter is necessary as well, or just add one to the existing one, I don't know, we will see. Then I will also start charging my Tesla Model Y with my solar panels, right now that is not possible yet as I can not park my car in my front yard, I need a permit for that.

[@aaronknight1009]

This'll be good news for the Aptera and other solar-powered cars.

[@johnreeves7261]

A solar race car from the Netherlands (Top Dutch) used some of Oxford PV's solar cells in the most recent "World Solar Challenge" (in October of 2023).

[@mikelord93]

The future belongs to the optimists

[@rw9737]

To the Saints only....

[@lrg3834]

It would be nice if they started designing high rises with solar panels over vertical exterior walls. Would go a long way to providing additional renewable electricity in metropolitan centres. I'm sure clever architects could make it look good as well.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

All highrises should be coated white and have solar on the roof for one by now, yes, to your point, there should be all kinds of ways to work them into exterior decor on the sides of the building that make sense.

[@andresd6193]

Why would anyone say that a certain technology will not get better,🤔 technology is constantly evolving and getting better.

[@johnfrancis4401]

The difference between ICE cars and EVs is most stark in the rate of improvement. ICE cars have been developed for over 100 years the efficiency gains are tiny. The improvements in EVs, batteries and PV systems are massive.

[@sang3Eta]

The Electric Vehicle was invented BEFORE the Internal Combustion Engine! The free market, over 100 years, chose ICE.

[@liamgross7217]

Pretty valid points - EVs are also going to date more quickly, what we buy today will be surpassed very quickly. Not that that should stop people purchasing, it’s just going to be about timing for different people.

[@laurencecrispin6700]

ICE vehicles still have a place with hybrids. That is the new niche.

[@seanrodgers1839]

The reason you havu naysayers is that there are so many "next big things" that never amount to anything. However, some things do, but progress is often many incremental steps. I always look forward to progress that will be made in the future.

[@BureaucracyWorld]

Thailand has already been producing an 850W panel for over a year now. Put them together 4 or 5 panels can run a 25,000btu air conditioning unit.

[@Fighter4Street]

Oh great I just purchased 45 REC 460 panels for my home and now this comes out?

[@TenTwennyDollaBills]

Don't worry, your RECs have a better temperature coefficient, dregradation and likely cost less. Meaning they'll last longer, a lot of time you'll get more power and you saved money.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Cooler roof and roof space 😎 👌 Happy days, the air-conditioning load is less, excellent. I was told by a friend the same, but his system was not as big as yours. It makes sense the sunniest part of the roof for the panels. 😊

[@lptf5441]

It's a great improvement for sure, but I think describing it as "an absolute game changer" is just nonsense hyperbole. They are looking at 25% efficiency for their initial release panels. There are already panels on the market from two different Chinese manufacturers that exceed 24% efficiency. So it's a small improvement along the lines of all the improvements that have occurred with solar efficiency over the last few years.

[@salvadorcoling8403]

Thanks for enlightening me!

[@richardwatkins6725]

Well done Oxford , this is a game changer for Green Energy.

[@phillipzx3754]

"Green Energy" still requires some "dirty energy" to create. I rather see the term "Cleaner Energy" be used. "Green energy" just gives the haters some ammo to argue about.

[@paulrandolph8469]

Canadian distributors are gouging. We got a quote of $63K CAD ($47K USD) for an average house. They use Chinese panels--good quality and low price--but they won t pass that benefit along to us. We're waiting for a better price.

[@aaronsinspirationdaily4896]

That’s insane. I’m in Australia, I just installed 6.6kWh panels and 12.8kWh battery for about $USD 8-9k. Was actually ~20% less due to a special govt grant in my state at the time. Installed 4kW panels 10 years ago for about $USD 3.5k No excuse for Canada and USA to be so expensive. It’s ridiculous

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

​@aaronsinspirationdaily4896 Nuclear electrical generation needs 24/7 steady demand and cash-flow. ROI issues. Every time the sunshines demand on the grid crashes and cashflow crashes for the grid owners and the nuclear generation. The big cash demand for grid owners is the biggest factor. Grid blindness, it's sunk cost and ROI is overlooked in most people's thinking. The grid has to run more fossil fueled peaker plants. With more battery capacity, they will have to turn off more nuclear plants. I have been told that it has happened at a big Canadian nuclear power plant now. Just one unit, but it may be the beginning in other provinces or states. Hydro can respond fastest. Government is under heavy pressure to maintain grid needs for the winter weeks. If Canadians went off grid all summer and all the sunny months the situation would change. Warming latitudes and more energy in the atmosphere will help renewables and rooftop in particular.

[@ezg8448]

​@@stephenbrickwood1602- People in Australia will soon be (or already are) being further taxed because there is too much solar energy and not enough demand for regular electricity. Solar is all great according to the government... Until there isn't enough to pay for the giant infrastructure in existence.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

@@ezg8448 Australia needs more heavy industrial users on the grid. The grid exists and is valuable, in a 100% electric future it could take from all today's customers and supply new industry heavy demand. Australia building new nuclear generation using Australian tax payers money is insane. The Snowy 2.0 pumped hydro expansion project budget has exploded, Australian taxpayers money 💰. Australia has had a decade long drought more droughts in the future, FMD. Will the LNP pump sea water into the upper reservoir ??? Will the government sell all Australian energy assets to foreign investors and give GOVERNMENT GARRENTEES to their cashflows. And government disaster insurance garrentees ????

[@theshadowoftruth7561]

@@stephenbrickwood1602 With the sunlight Australia receives it is foolish not to build an energy infrastructure based on Solar. As for nights there are ways to store Solar energy for use when the sun doesn't shine. Same goes for the American South West and anywhere they receive that much Sun.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Cheers bro

[@davidhollocher7924]

Progress does happen, but 70% of the time the hype falls well short of the actual results. I worked in high tech for decades. 20% of the new products made 80% of the new product revenue. So progress involves a lot of failures. The naysayers are usually right. Predicting which new innovations will succeed is a fools errand...

[@elduderino7767]

from 20% to 26% is quite a jump but at the end of the day it always comes down to cost, if it's only about 50% more expensive then great, for a small premium you can increase the power density of your solar array but if it costs twice as much then just use old tech and throw on an addition panel or 2 to get the same power capacity ultimately the tech (or a derivative of it) will need to be mass produced by competitors for it really get market adoption - only then will it change the game imho

[@ElMistroFeroz]

The only place it might make sense is on RV applications, where solar real-estate is very limited.

[@colinhudson7426]

The roof stays cooler if the panel is supplying power. If the sun's rays that are perpendicular to the panel have an intensity of 1000 watts per square metre and 240 watts are drawn off as electricity (24% efficiency), then the panel will be as hot as it would be if disconnected and receiving just 760 watts. First law of thermodynamics - conservation of energy. This is counter intuitive since, in general, devices that supply or supplied with an increased current get hotter !

[@andrewallen9918]

Over 12.5 years ago we installed PV; the panel efficiency was 19%. Yes, they were at the top end but unfortunately panel efficiency clearly hasn't doubled in that time, not even close. 23-23.5% non perovskite panels already exist in the market at relatively low cost so 24.5% isn't a great leap forward. I'd be interested to know how perovskite compares to existing panels in terms of cost/kW. I've been following perovskite for several years and lifespan has been the core issue. Hopefully now that we're seeing commercial installations they continue to improve on the efficiency and durability.

[@edwinungerer7989]

Thanks for making this video!

[@FriedChairs]

I don’t think I’m a naysayer for suggesting people ignore battery tech news and just wait until something is actually produced. I acknowledge that battery tech is advancing but the research industry needs hype to get financing and that leads to a lot of overpromising and under delivering so only a tiny fraction of BREAKTHROUGHS actually get commercialized. I used to follow science research news closely and it just got tiring. There’s something to it like Instagram where people only share the positive aspect of their lives.

[@bilgyno1]

It is essential that we have some PV production again in Europe and decrease our dependence on China. There is still a massive roll out of PV to be done in many parts of the world, but costs will be the most important factor.

[@charlesdonly776]

The issue is not mis-led or not.. the issue is the valley of death, which is the trough between 2 modes: the first is the proof of concept followed by a news release, but the technology is not ready for production or reliability or cost. The second distribution is scale. In between is the valley of death, and plenty of good technology dies in the valley. That is how it goes. It is not mis-led or personal…

[@babajaiy8246]

Interesting - I thought I was going to watch a video on a new solar panel I read about last week - should have kept the link. But this is different. The one I saw was non-silicone based; It worked by producing hydrogen in it's cells and is about 15% efficient. However, although this one here in the video has a higher efficiency - these hydrogen panels are on orders of magnitude cheaper to produce than ones using silicon; Which means it has the lowest cost per MWh. Also these panels produce hydrogen in their cells passively even when the sun is not out - although the production is higher when the sun is present.

[@michaelbirchall6307]

For most people the deciding factor of solar installation is payback time, which ultimately comes down to panel cost per watt. I would imagine these newer technology panels will be relatively expensive if they are made in Europe. Game changer probably not.

[@liamgross7217]

I fully agree. Payback time and life of the system. I’m close but I’ll need a battery system and I think I should sit for a a couple of years.

[@ASmithee67]

In tech it's not that 9 out of 10 technology "breakthroughs", e.g. your battery comments, will fail. It's the 1 in 10 technologies that make it and become a game changer. Keep the faith.

[@tothimre7950]

First airplanes were wood and some fabric... Look at now to the complexity and sophistication. What humanity imagine we WILL ACHIEVE. Usually it takes time.

[@MindFusion-ij1xl]

Remember, there is an ocean of KZbin baloney sites you compete with, provide your specifics (at 2:00) in the Subject line or in the first seconds of video, you will thank me later, and I thank you for a short, identifiable, worthy, video.

[@paulpavlou9294]

This all sounds very good but what does this efficiency translate in terms of watts per panel? Blue Sun Solar a Chinese panel maker is selling panels the can produce 560W per panel and claim 90% efficient after 15 years. The German made panels I put on my home fifteen years ago can only produce 189 or 190W per panel, so yes there has been much improvement over a short space in time. How do these Oxford panels compare?

[@cyclemoto8744]

Never heard back from resinc since making an enquiry....

[@mashlangu]

If they are 20% more efficient but they cost double the price they would have a long self live

[@johnpublic168]

Are they 940 watts. because junki two years ago was at 715 watts

[@markfp9705]

Panel efficiency has increased by 50%? Where does that come from? We got solar panels fitted last year, I was shocked to find how little efficiency had increased since these things were released 15 years ago. We're in Scotland, energy produced in the winter is virtually nothing, which is a shame because its when we need it.

[@GRANTTRAUBable]

Can we buy them in US?

[@adamanthony7465]

Extraordinary. Wind is going the way of coal.

[@wallacegrommet9343]

Night says otherwise

[@bilgyno1]

Definitely not. There will be wind and solar in a nice mix with some battery storage. Then some other stuff to fill in the rest, such as hydro and nuclear. The mix will be different depending on the location of course.

[@ralphkinch6489]

Were can these Oxford high efficiency panels be bought?

[@keirenle]

Great 👍

[@joem0088]

Good. So what's the delivery schedule. How much can you produce ? Just a few working samples is useless.

[@DAM89]

The panel prices are cheap, but the issue is the cost of hardware and especially labour to install them, unfortunately many places require a qualified electrician and installers so inflate the cost dramatically.

[@pascalouellette8516]

Instead of on farmland they need to be on buildings and rooftops, if they have to be on land they need to be elevated so multi use can be achieved below the panels...

[@michaelmokotong]

Great advance.

[@ThePhilcam]

Twice the performance or half the price technology only gets better!

[@WarrenLacefield]

This is probably good news. There have been some problems with problems with perovskite solar panels, notably toxic materials and quicker deterioration. Apparently these are being overcome. In your video, you mentioned that the (1st?) factory to commercialize this technology is in Brandenburg, Germany. But the headline says the USA? Maybe I missed something.

[@litestuffllc7249]

Presenting something as a breakthrough when it "claims" to increase solar panel efficiency from 20 to 25% is the sort of hype that end in dissapointment. What is the price of these panels? You can already buy solar panels with 40% efficiency; but they cost so much the are mostly used on satellites. If they cost isn't comparible; then the improved efficiency will mean nothing; higher efficiency must be met with equal or lower price to have any impact. Even if solar panels literally cost nothing; it sn't the panel costs that make the ROI low; it is the cost of installation and battery storage that makes them uneconomical in most locals with modest sun.

[@ianhaylock7409]

You know they won't be cheap because they're made in Germany. The country where all the manufacturing is currently closing down due to high energy costs.

[@202AMERICA]

The ONLY knock on perovskite is "Operating Life / Duration" --- wonder what THAT is !

[@joshuahansen5486]

Remember you may have lower energy costs during the summer but you also have higher energy costs during the winter

[@dexlab7539]

Not likely, solar radiation during the winter to heat one’s home is much smaller.

[@nucleusv]

Как решить проблему уменьшения кол-ва заборов мусорных баков, то есть повысить плотность мусора в баке )? И секрниить куча бабла Спаарне как там она называлась поставь механического крокодила:) или валики с шипами , суть: протыкать пластиковые бутылки, тетрапаки, и бумажные коробки, превращать их в плоские , но при этом по ним можно понять что за материал, то есть это не шредер, чтоб получилось много мелки деталей это целая упаковка но она смущенна с дымками и плоская в 10 раз можно таким образом увеличить обьем мусорного бака :)

[@callmebigpapa]

I asked GPT what it would cost to convert to solar and battery for the whole world: Solar panels: $1.43 trillion Grid-scale batteries: $6.85 trillion Transmission infrastructure: $2 trillion Maintenance and other: $2.46 trillion Total cost: ~$12.74 trillion Then I asked : what would the projected fuel savings be over 10,20, 50, 100 years? Summary of Fuel Savings: 10 years: ~$45 trillion 20 years: ~$95 trillion 50 years: ~$270 trillion 100 years: ~$880 trillion --- this was based on li-on batteries not sodium ion which should be 20-30% cheaper i think once ramped

[@rogerhammett5295]

Time life, is the question, installation and replacement, time's.

[@ahnilatedahnilated7703]

But the question once again about perovskite is, how long do the solar cells last? We all know perovskite has a low life span.

[@Mobev1]

Lithium has been around since 1930s in the battery industry. Not much is happening other than heavy cars because they are carrying massive batteries. These cars weigh3 x more than normal. My tires only last for 1 year now. I can’t run the heat in the winter if going more than 75 miles and want to get back home.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

My business owner friend pays $10,000 per quarter less for his business electricity. The grid now has to get its missing cash flow from others. His home has PV and battery. ICE vehicle still in his garage, Hahaha, his dream car. 😊

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

As more early adopters take their cash out of the grid, the remaining poorer customers have to pay more $kWh rates. The big cash demand for grid owners is the biggest factor. Grid blindness, it's sunk cost and ROI is overlooked in most people's thinking. The grid ia a $TRILLIONS infrastructure investment and must have $100BILLIONs in cashflow every year.

[@DM-zq8qy]

Good point (and true) BUT they (we) are avoiding the high costs of adding more peaking capacity generation plants using fossil fuels which cause higher costs and more pollution.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

@DM-zq8qy good comment, I like your thoughts. More people should talk about the economic forces building that will destroy the nuclear promoters' false arguments. Nuclear promoters want government taxpayers money to lock in their own technology. In Australia, many government projects were sold to private owners with government Garrentees. Nuclear promoters talk about their technology evolution but ignore rooftop PV and BVs oversized battery and new battery technologies. Today's PV panels are Australia's UNSW created technology. Professor Martin Green. Nuclear promoters talk about global warming and go to the details of nuclear technology AND then want to lock in that technology for 6 to 10 decades and only in Australia. FMD. They actually know more. They are intelligent enough but half talk. Talk to friends about this, I do not have their money for national TV or KZbin videos.

[@ws7001]

What is the durability? What efficiency after 20years? Does heat degrade them faster than silicon based?

[@elduderino7767]

it's only a 5% increase in efficiency at the moment - and it took them 10 years to figure out production from 20% to 25% is still a significant increase but if there were any serious compromises with durability and degradation i doubt it would have even got this far at the end of the day the difference in efficiency amounts to 4 panels instead of 5 panels of the older tech, it has to have a premium of less than 40% to be price competitive with older tech - that's unlikely to happen until competitors are producing derivatives of the same tech, look at the economies of scale they are competing with

[@Fighter4Street]

@@elduderino7767 I just purchased 45 REC 460 panels which will be installed in maybe a month. Did I just waste my money?

[@elduderino7767]

@@Fighter4Street if you use the electricity rather than pay for it then no ideally you'd have an EV and battery so you can effectively eliminate both fuel and electrical costs from the weekly budget capital costs are high but in a reasonable amount of years you'll be making money, or rather not wasting it on fuel/electricity

[@TheGijzzz]

The big demand will be for solar panels that deliver enough electricity during the winter months because that is when we use the most of our energy. 80% of our energy demand is for heating households so lets solve that problem. The sand battery combined with solar was promising but needs upscaling. Maybe a sandbattery under each house to store solar energy during the summer as super heated sand for use in the winter? To warm the house and heat the water? Better solar panels is just a part of the solution😊

[@elduderino7767]

@@TheGijzzz generalised statistics are worthless, if you invest in solar, battery and EV you've already solved heating in winter by insulating your house and installing heat pumps/reverse cycle air conditioning

[@l3eatalphal3eatalpha]

The World's most powerful solar panels are always here.

[@pathfollower]

Progress happens but scale production at a profit is near impossible. MOST don't make it out of the lab.

[@drmindbender8616]

The perovskite solar cell is a break through but not a huge jump in technology the key would be using the above with existing solar silicon panels so both materials would capture light in slightly different wavelengths and combine the 2 to get higher out put but Oxford is coming up against a well proven technology and manufacturing base I have worked on plenty of large solar installations and people pay a fortune for the latest technology but skimp on cabling and inverters or do everything at 12 volt and get poor energy conversion

[@oldestnic]

It is interesting to see people below querying the life of these panels. Unaware that this has been the exact focus of Oxford, and their patent. There are also people quoting "Chinese Panels 31%", which might well be true with a life of less than a year. So people are negating it in both directions, Chinese panels are better, and Oxford panels have a short life. Whereas at the moment it is actually exactly the other way around. They will not be manufactured in the UK, because the UK uniquely arranges itself to give advantage to playing with numbers on paper, and taxes manufacturing plants twice as much as in Germany and about four times as much as in China. However it is not just tax, it is also mentality. Investment in non productive assets like houses, is tax free. Almost none of the politicians and bureaucrats has any real experience in production, engineering, chemicals etc. But they are good at ancient greek, philosophy and law!

[@bobnomura2068]

Perovskite has a shorter lifetime compared to standard panels. But the RESINC page doesn't say anything about it.

[@brendanquinn6894]

Brandenburg opened the solar gate ! (Ok, I'll let myself out)

[@Withnail1969]

The internet did work in the 1990s.

[@tysonn4736]

Naysayers get to be 'right'. Optimists get to be rich.

[@OG.551.98]

Thanks for sharing, where can I see an actual Spec sheet and it's Pascal wind resistance?

[@pleongv1]

I recall panel in Malaysia already hitting 26% efficiency

[@williamreese6642]

Where in the USA can i get a good low-cost solar power system.?

[@wj9494]

I won’t argue that solar panel prices have dropped, but in 2001, the installed cost of solar panels was $10k/kWh. The price today, without batteries is $10k/kWh where I live. Not feeling the decrease in cost.

[@DM-zq8qy]

Meanwhile, the price of everything else (and likely your income) has gone up close to 77% (per www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm)

[@williamreese6642]

What has been inflation since 2001 .so it is cheaper.

[@rogermartinez78]

If you were to believe the naysayers about technology we would still be using sailing ships to cross the Atlantic, technology will continue to improve as time goes by.

[@jsanders100]

We might be going back to that

[@dougsheldon5560]

What stops me is the cost to remove them and reinstall when i have to re-roof in a few years.

[@MindFusion-ij1xl]

HOW MUCH IS THE PRICE FOR THESE WONDERFUL PANELS?

[@jpdurr]

It (the Company in Oxford) is not Crazy, the UK was crazy to leave the EU. Manufacture in an EU member state and have full preferential access to all EU countries. not that complicated.

[@ram64man]

24 % and watt output is vey misleading , it’s the nominal level that matters, not atc , eg you can get 500w pannel output atc ,yet nominal may only be 400w , even if they improve efficiency, it’s still light levels and light wavelength that matter most , the goal is for the power not to alter to more than 10% regardless of it been a grey overcast stormy day or bright clear as a daisy right now such dull days cut power output by over 70% , because the light is in inferred spectrum pannels just can’t capture it yet , the reason why I feel this area needs more attention than % efficiency is because winter rates drop like a stone if we can crack that so useable light no matter where you are in the world still gets 80%of pannel output it will cut the need for grid power and attray sizing can then be adjusted for use needs than just spamming roof tops . As just issues will bight you back as utilitys start charging you for vack feeding when there sources come online already we are seeing minimum bills far higher than they should be , and that trend will continue so ending off peak and buy back rates , i fact due to gre ease demand it puts a high possibility of brown outs and cuts , the grid doesn’t want to be your backup battery , they are interacted in one thing making money any way they can and that means hammering green consumers. I say beat them at there own game from April to late September, if you have 25kwh battery in cold weather areas and 45kwh in ac zones , not including pool demands and end you utility bill completely, then restart it sep 10th on for northern hemisphere, then what you don’t generate day time top up the battery at cheap rate and go off grid at peak time zones to prevent higher rate charging for example I’m a 4bed property 2 adults 2 children daily usage about 7kwh wait hour ac or heat pump I have 16kwh that’s more than enough is supper yet in winter it generates less than 1.75kwh on a solar hour hence needing 25kwh batter for off peak

[@Buddha2024-w7y]

Pounds (£) per kw? Life expectancy? Recyclable?

[@aggiewoodie]

What’s the lamp in the corner behind the chair?

[@kamingcloud2880]

That just Awesome News ! More newer high efficiency solar panels are coming in the near future ! Renewable Energy is faster, cleaner , safer, and more affordable to build than nuclear power plants ! 😉💖🌊🌬🌞⚡️🔋💯🌏✌️

[@davidbangsdemocracy5455]

The title of the video mentions they will mass produce solar panels in the US. This is not mentioned in the video or anywhere else, so the title is false.

[@TonkarzOfSolSystem]

As cool as this is, solar panels were already the cheapest energy generation per kWh. This isn't going to make a big difference. The biggest issue right now is the same as 10 years ago, which is storing the energy that solar can produce during the day for use at night. Now, I know there are many energy storage technologies being developed and being deployed as we speak. Ironically, the fact that so many different storage technologies are in the works and being deployed simply goes to show that none of them are yet proven.

[@ScrappyDoodad]

What if electricity end users move to DC devices, that is, convert the AC to DC at the box

[@williamlangley8347]

Maybe these panels will get built on mass, which would be nice. Economics will determine who builds it. The supply chain is still heavily owned by China, so who will build it?

[@markuss3735]

Lots of people are not abel to see beyond the tip of their nose and do not remember anything more than a few minutes ago.

[@foolcellsorryfuelcellmirag4835]

It’s a game changer!!!😂😂😂