China's game changing solid electrolyte slashes solid-state battery costs 90%

China's game changing solid electrolyte slashes solid-state battery costs 90%
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[@pruephillip1338]

90% cheaper? Ok, believe it when we see it.

[@chadcoady9025]

Sounds like a promise Elon would make, then actually INCREASE the price.

[@remix-yy1hs]

​@@chadcoady9025china is not lying zionist. China does bot go around and white wash genocide

[@coolewily8185]

2027 byd

[@MyUniversalUniversity]

Not Elon, but every other battery that is on the market. As the person said when I see it.

[@manuelferreira4622]

@@coolewily8185

[@lodrezzon]

After the world found petroleum, all interest in other energy sources for EVERYTHING pretty much ended. Battery technology was stagnant for decades and decades. As a kid in the 70s that blew through Alkaline batteries as fast as a box of Froot Loops, I welcome batteries with 1000 w/hr densities, that charge in 30 seconds, and cost .45 cents. That way I can watch reruns of Thundarr the Barbarian and Sigmond and the Sea Monsters on my new iPad years from now, for weeks at a time, without recharging! That was my dream as a child, and it is still near to my heart.

[@svr5423]

battery technology has evolved quite a bit. from lead acid to lead gel, nickel cadmium, nickel metal hydride and now lithium ion / polymer. Nuclear and renewable powerplants have also been a staple since decades. And houses no longer rely on fossil fuels as energy source.

[@Michaels1too]

Sigmond and the Sea Monsters Loved that show lol

[@asmith20707]

The best battery technology available until next week's episode of "Best Battery Technology Ever".

[@svr5423]

question is: Will the wonder battery arrive before or after nuclear fusion?

[@ronfarnsworth7074]

Yes, discoveries really are happening that fast. Scaling up and marketing and distribution before something even better happens is what takes most of the time and plays into what succeeds in the end. Look at all the great options on the market right now. Different companies are finding different ways.

[@CheeseLovingGuy]

​@@svr5423I think fusion might be over. Solar is simple low risk distributed technology. Storing the power was the problem before. But batteries have solved that.

[@dublindave5795]

You missed the phrase "game changer"

[@chadcoady9025]

@@CheeseLovingGuy Molten sodium hybrid nuclear generators will be the next game changer.

[@halko1]

There are so many optimistic "news" reports about battery technologies that, for a layman, it can be difficult to discern what is real and what is just unfounded hype.

[@icosthop9998]

Ever since I've been on this channel, I been hearing about this "battery" and that *_"Game Changing Battery"_* and yet not one of these batteries are yet to be put into production, so until "iT" actually happens. These announcements are just cheap sounds that are just pissing in the wind. . *_"_**_#Quantum_**_ Batteries Anyone"_* ? 🤷🏼‍♀️❔️ ~○~

[@tomh1727]

I mean, just look at the cost of batteries over the past 15 years. We had a ton of 80% cost decreases already and its still a somewhat new technology

[@Alarix246]

Your comment can become a topic of another video. There's so much to analyze here! The first thing to realize is that the feverish gold rush on EVs produced these often fantastic sounding discoveries. It's a bonanza. And now imagine that in this environment you want to develop one certain way of producing these innovated batteries: yes you can build a large factory for this technology, the equipment will all have to be developed with high cost of course, you plan for the equipment to be amortized over 10 years, and at the moment when the production starts, there is another invention 5x better! This of course robs your factory of the possibility to have the equipment amortized over 10 years, as it is obsolete at the moment when a competing 5x better invention hits the market. So, not all of these inventions will be realized of course. At the same time, thinking about the economic forces behind factory production is one thing, but quite another is comparison to ICE engines and their rate of progress: if any of the ICE engine manufacturers improves efficiency or price over the current best benchmark by more than a single %, it would be world news. I just saw (on this channel) a video titled that Mercedes Benz is investing $15billion into their new ICE engine! What improvement % they expect out of this? They must be lunatics. That industry is dead in the water now, and people saying that EVs are expensive are simply repeating old news, while we are watching their price going under the price of comparable ICE cars. But it takes a few years before this sinks into the minds of majority people who are not interested in these revolutionary developments. They probable digest this information only when the aircrafts they travel with will be run by batteries, and that is still some years away.

[@user-jt4fy4od9r]

Never mind solid state - One thing is true - there are mass produced affordable vehicles in China (and they are very good high-tech items) that run on Sodium (salt) batteries. We in the West are being fed a diet of made-up stuff and drivel by the legacy auto funded media.

[@carrievh8686]

A lot of the news is not necessarily hype, it is that the news is about a result in university. The result in the university is real, but usually there is a long lag between a university lab and mass production--more than a decade generally--to solve the issues with mass production and to control costs for commercialization. The result: By the time these miracle technologies make it into a product, it is no longer new and hyped--something else is making the news--, making real technology that significantly improve products seem like hype when they are perfectly real.

[@lagmonster7789]

One HUGE factor in wanting to use Sulfur is that it's a waste product from Hydrodesulfurization in gasoline refining(which uses Cobalt as a catalyst btw). There's enormous stockpiles of the stuff available and tons more being made everyday, because _fossil fuel industry_ 😅

[@fredbloggs5902]

Correct, but when that source dries up there’s no shortage, it’s the fifth most common element by mass on Earth.

[@jkn6644]

High energy density of sulfur batteries has been known long. Unfortunately degradation is too fast for practical use. If somebody solves that then sulfur batteries will take over.

[@ariisaac5111]

@@jkn6644 Do the sulfur batteries you're talking about Include Lithium cathodes Or What other metal?

[@robocowone464]

But if you destroy the fossil fuel industry, it becomes rare and more expensive!!!

[@fredbloggs5902]

@@robocowone464 There’s NO shortage of sulphur regardless of it being a byproduct of the fossil fuel industry, go look it up and see for yourself.

[@georgepelton5645]

CATL named their new battery the "Condensed Matter" battery, later shortened to just "Condensed." Condensed Matter Physics is the modern name for Solid State Physics, which enabled the invention of the transistor. IMO, battery companies using names like "solid state" or "condensed matter" are just trying to make solid electrolytes sound as revolutionary as the transistor was. Pure marketing hype.

[@magnetospin]

Wouldn't they be as revolutionary as the transistor?

[@ronfarnsworth7074]

@@georgepelton5645 What would you call solid electrolyte? Most people except us oldies don't remember when 6 transistor radios came out in the 50's.

[@vlhc4642]

CATL does not consider their condensed battery solid state and explicitly said solid state is still a few years away.

[@georgepelton5645]

@@ronfarnsworth7074 I refer to them as “solid electrolyte batteries”

[@georgepelton5645]

@@magnetospin No. Not by a long shot in my opinion.

[@davidrowewtl6811]

I've hit peak solid state news and peak Electric Viking. False hope is so draining. Gotta get out of this hype cycle.

[@xyork]

Yes, finally I have seen the light too. Bye all.

[@smiith7996]

Never subscribed to him He's a spammer.

[@lordofsevenrealms]

​@smiith7996 off late, he's ridiculously anoying...he's like a child obsessed with anything related to electric energy and will do a video on whatever electric garbage news he comes across...that solar sphere was low point

[@davidrowewtl6811]

@@smiith7996 There is a fine line between news aggregator and spammer. I want more added value beyond regurgitation of press releases. I feel a need for better quality over quantity. I don't mean more B Roll either.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@davidrowewtl6811 I think he's slightly over the line on aggregator, so I keep watching because they're interesting. Well, I play his videos 1.75X with the captions on. A good counter to Scotty Kilmer who spends 5 minutes of every video ranting against EVs.

[@hongqingxiang3374]

Thank you for your update🙏

[@johnmightymole2284]

Sorry, but your videos are getting a bit flakey.

[@daveret1144]

Sam covers a wide range of topics in his high-quality videos. Not all of them are if interest to all viewers and not all of them are of interest to me. I pick and choose which videos to watch or how long to watch them for depending on their interest level. If you think that some of Sam's videos are getting flaky thin don't watch them,!

[@smiith7996]

He's got to keep pushing the EV propaganda because he owns Tesla stock. Maybe even gets a backhander from Musk.

[@hardi.howdy.983]

​ @smiith7996 He will never get a freebie from Elon, despite pumping up his TSLA, he wouldn't even heard of this channel. Do, you really think an odd viewer buying a few hundred shares will have any effect? But Sam thinks it does. So self-absorbed 😁

[@calvinwalker4654]

Musk is like another politician that causes people to lose their minds. Why would you let him live rent free in your head? EVs are propaganda but here you are watching a video about them. If I don’t like something I’m sure not going to torture myself watching videos about it. Time is way too limited for that

[@johnmightymole2284]

@@daveret1144 I like most of his videos and have praised many and give thumb up but this and a few others recently have been flimsy. I didn't know until I watched. Thanks for your advice though on how to use KZbin.

[@i3looi2]

I'm very chill. Whether is the Chinese or anyone else, battery prices will drop non the less. Economics 101: where there's demand and lots of money, there's a way. In 5years max, everyone can stop talking about range and charge speeds.

[@transmitterguy478]

Bigger, higher capacity batteries, The USA still doesn't have the grid to charge them. It will take 50 years and 3 trillion dollars to make it work.

[@hoffinger]

​@@transmitterguy478smaller batteries with high capacity will mean less weight and more efficiency.

[@GaminGiga]

Battery technology is like graphene, always promising but always in lab.

[@steveclancy7832]

HALLELUJAH ANOTHER GAME CHANGER and with all this cost slashing soon they will be paying us to take these batteries ! Go figure

[@smiith7996]

I like your sarcasm. He's a propagandist

[@steveclancy7832]

@@smiith7996 Sam is a ev evangelist lol

[@user-yh6xf3wl1h]

There are so many game changers on this channel that I think he has forgotten what game he is playing!

[@jimthain8777]

Solid state batteries may not really be needed in EVs, but they are probably a game changer in aviation.

[@4literv6]

Uh semi solid state cells already can cut off 30% or more in pack weight alone. Example welion semi solid state cells in the nio et7 150kwh pack weighs a mere 44# more than the catl nmc 100kwh pack does for the same size case going in the same vehicle! So 50% more capacity for a pack level energy density gain of over 43% And a weight gain of 44# or about 20kgs. 😎 Imagine the tesla semi with it's 915kwh pack weighing nearly 9,000# dropping down to 6,000# for the same useable pack capacity. Or a tesla model S or X plaid dropping 350-450# off it's pack weight which would reduce the cars total weight by 6-9% A model 3 perf could go from 4,050# down to about 3,700 with a semi solid state pack! A base m3 rwd could drop down to 3,500# 😎

[@svr5423]

aviation typically uses lead acid or lead gel batteries. Works quite well.

[@KidHorn7001]

Once they can make them in scale at a low cost, everything will use them. Why would you use a liquid battery?

[@incognitotorpedo42]

@@svr5423 Maybe to power accessories, but not to lift the plane. The energy density of lead acid is horrifically bad.

[@svr5423]

@@incognitotorpedo42 reliability is more important than energy density. Lift is provided by the wings, power to the engine is usually provided by avgas, mogas or jet a1 fuel. There are some battery planes for training, but these are not really viable for anything else as they lack the capacity for a mandatory reserve (if you can go 1 hour and need 45min reserve, you aren't really going anywhere in those 15min).

[@christopherj2231]

How many cycles?...that is the question.

[@svr5423]

that's a sexist thing to ask :)

[@hanswitvliet8188]

Great. Having to replace the battery when your between Mars and Jupiter 🤣

[@user-yi8uu1du3b]

there's always ............ re 😁

[@thereissomecoolstuff]

13 cycles.

[@hanswitvliet8188]

Bi-cycles. 😂

[@etienne6641]

Can’t wait for this to transfer down to portable devices like phones and notebooks.

[@paul1979uk2000]

China is playing the US at its own game, basically, by the US trying to restrict what can and can't be imported into the US, China is getting around that by being a lot more aggressive on pricing, this is a big deal because the world is a big market that a lot of it doesn't follow the US vision on China. It also means that if the US does restrict products from China that are a lot cheaper, that's giving the advantage to countries that don't restrict them. If China is smart, they will target the tech sector, especially Nvidia, AMD, Intel and others in that space that have becoming way too greedy the last few years, there's a massive opening for an alternative, even if the product isn't quite as good, if it's a lot cheaper, a lot of consumers will flock in that direction, just as we are starting to see with many industries from China like Solar and EV cars, basically, China has seen the weakness of the west and especially the US, which is greed, by targeting that, it's very easy to gain market share fast as China are showing in many sectors. I know some will say we should buy western products and I would, but with how greedy some are getting, if China offers an alternative of high quality and much lower price point, I would be stupid to not jump, and that I suspect is what most of the world thinks. China is likely going to continue to be aggressive on pricing in one sector after another because it's working for them at a time when the US is trying to keep China down because of other geopolitical reasons, basically, as long as there is enough countries around the world that's willing to buy products from China that are much cheaper than western products, then China wins by default and if the west is smart, they'll stop being so greedy, otherwise, China is going to eat there lunch, one sector after another as they are already showing, which will be fun to watch in the high-tech sector where they've really got greedy in the west, especially the US, and to put it another way, it doesn't matter if the US bans there products, if other countries are buying them, that's giving there consumers a big advantage in savings compared to US consumers, so the US can only go so far on that unless there corporations are willing to slash prices aggressively, fat chance of that lol.

[@Lt_Tim]

The Chinese government artificially keeps the price of their currency low, so that they have an advantage in the cost to produce anything. Whether they are greedy or not, companies can't produce items as cheaply in the US as they can in China, especially in places like California that mandate $20 per hour for unskilled jobs. If the US really wants to control China, we'll continue to bring the high-tech, higher-paying manufacturing jobs back to the US and invest in producing the low-tech stuff in all the countries south of the US. This will give them something they can export besides people and drugs. It will also reduce the cost to ship and the time it takes to get products to the US. As those countries develop, they will eventually draw manufacturing away from China.

[@SonicCommenter]

Okay, Xi.

[@dougowt]

As you say, we'll see in a few years if this makes it to production. As CATL have what sounds like a great product already in production, and the likes of Toyota keep making promises that they have for the best part of a decade, failed to deliver, while also claiming hydrogen is the future, then I'll go with CATL, when it comes to banking on genuine progress. CATL keep delivering. As a side note, I am still enjoying my 8 year old Model S (262,000 mile). I'd like to think that if I keep hold of it, then at some point in the future (2-5 years?), I will have the option to buy a replacement battery that weighs less, goes further and charges faster. Effectively giving my car a new lease of life. I realise this would also need either Tesla or an independent supplier, giving the car the relevant software update to run the new battery, but it should be doable.

[@svr5423]

"Hello insurance!? I bought this 100kwh BEV battery off Aliexpress. And for a totally unrelated reason, my house burned down yesterday."

[@lordofsevenrealms]

😂

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

We ask our batteries to go outside to smoke.

[@jdbrinton]

You have really good battery news coverage! Thanks!

[@benbryant1693]

hi Sam! i really enjoy your vids! keep it up Mate! 🙂

[@DeveloperChris]

Its not just the cost. solid state batteries so far have a very short cycle life.

[@jordons7963]

Yeah, they need to increase it a lot to be worth while. As yes it has better density and cost less. But if it has to be replace many times vs normal battery pack. It terrible

[@dougtheslug6435]

Where do you get that information? I looked it up and they last 30 years, there may be degradation over the years but isn't it the same with a gas engine. There a million junkyards half full of blown up cars and trucks that had their engines fail.

[@ronfarnsworth7074]

​@@dougtheslug6435Amazing how the naysayers and trolls and uneducated ignore reality.

[@mikewallace8087]

@@ronfarnsworth7074 There are Seven EV Junkyards in the Chicago area .

[@mikewallace8087]

@@dougtheslug6435 But what about ICE powered cars? 230,000,000 on the road.

[@1e2werks15]

Sam, have you seen the news on the Sakuu battery? Munro is super impressed.

[@1e2werks15]

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[@1e2werks15]

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[@davidbrayshaw3529]

Munro the toolmaker?

[@Islamisthecultofsin]

@@davidbrayshaw3529 He analyzes cars.

[@jonvelde5730]

Another problem with these "coming soon!" Announcements is that people are often comparing the energy density of the theoretical material to the energy density of an existing pack structure. Its apples to oranges.

[@dimitriwilson154]

I don't believe it till i see it .

[@benbryant1693]

i used to drive a truck for a living (not very long - 3 months). the company that i worked for said doing 400-450 miles per day as a pro trucker was a good distance. -having said that, i wonder whether the same applies to cars? in other words, most people would never drive more than 400-500 miles per day, which means that EVs could be equipped with "lesser" battery packs that might give cars 600 miles of range rather than 1000 miles of range? -this would cut the price of the pack and still provide enough range to do 400-500 miles per day provided countries implement good charging networks. -would probably also be quicker charging? anyway, just thinking from a "standard trucking practice" perspective.... thoughts?

[@larryg7109]

I think these companies in China and Japan, exaggerator accomplishments to raise money. I would be very skeptical of this claim.

[@vorpalinferno9711]

New week, new breakthrough.

[@junaidisalam5718]

make sense... according to 2023 U N data, chinese inventors are posting some 14,000 more international patent applications, than the second-place U S...

[@TrumpIsGoingToPrison]

Most of which they've STOLEN.

[@SkepticalCaveman]

Price is much more imporrant than capacity or performance, so this could be a game changer.

[@einyel63]

No more than 2 months ago, Electric Viking: solid stat batteries are dead. Today: lets do a 180 change in direction

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Not quite what he said. Not viable at the time vs. conventional batteries.

[@Sacto1654]

It will be interesting to see when will either BYD or CATL start producing solid-state batteries. They're in a race with South Korean, Japanese and even American companies to make it to large-scale mass production.

[@keirenle]

What s about battery for solar. Would it be a game change to be able to have an affordable home battery that could store enough energy for uninterrupted use.

[@RWBHere]

Hmm. Beware of things which sound too good to be true...

[@jgarbo3541]

Could we all have electric light in our homes? Impossible!! Candles cannot be beat....1880. In 2024...

[@pauls3075]

1960's we'll all be flying in electric cars by the year 2000...

[@hishamarafa6780]

Is it possible to replace existing battery with a solid state battery when they become available ?

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🙋‍♂️ THANKS SAM , I THINK 🤔 WE ARE IN FOR AN EXCITING FUTURE 😎👍💚💚💚

[@MudflyWatersman]

No the problem is dendrite formation in the lithium sulfide. Lithium sulfide is by far the most high capacity energy storage medium we have have.... The details of preventing dendrite storage for long battery life just aren't solved yet..... But they're getting there and we will. The theoretical capacity of lithium sulfide batteries is seven times what current batteries capacities are, and practical applications demonstrated are about three times.... As of 2 years ago....760 wh/kg was lab demonstrated.

[@sdfglkjhdfkjdhldskfj]

Lithium is $12/kg. Sulphur is under $30/kg. Why is Lithium Sulphide $1,000/kg?

[@5nowChain5]

The import taxes will counter the price reductions to keep propping up oil and gas industry.

[@voramuj]

Thank you for sharing this information. It is really interesting. I think SSB will be developed in the near future, and some other technologies will come along.

[@smthB4]

Sam, haven’t you been saying that CATL’s silicon anode battery, at 500 wh/kg is already under mass production, and will be in evs very soon?

[@allangraham970]

CATL have no batteries with silicon . They are currently shipping next gen batteries that use crystals with bigger gaps inside for storing lithium. Silicon atomic bonds get weakened by storing lithium so silicon most likely will not be used long term

[@ElMistroFeroz]

There’s a reason cars are ideally around the 400 mile range. 1000 mile range is inefficient, as 99% of the time you’ll be hauling around that extra weight you won’t be using.

[@starlord8973]

China's biggest electric-car maker, BYD, has agreed a $1bn (£780m) deal to set up a manufacturing plant in Turkey, as it continues to expand outside its home country. The new plant will be able to produce up to 150,000 vehicles a year, according to Turkish state news agency Anadolu. The facility is expected to create around 5,000 jobs and start production by the end of 2026. The deal was signed at an event in Istanbul attended by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and BYD's chief executive Wang Chuanfu. BYD did not immediately respond to a BBC request for further details on the deal. The announcement comes as Chinese EV makers face increasing pressure in the European Union and the US. Last week, the EU took action to protect the bloc's motor industry by raising tariffs on Chinese EVs. The decision saw BYD hit with an extra tariff of 17.4% on the vehicles it ships from China to the EU, which was on top of a 10% import duty. Turkey is part of the EU’s Customs Union, which means vehicles made in the country and exported to the bloc can avoid the additional tariff.

[@petersimms4982]

Also assembling EVs in 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿😉😊

[@dominiclavu193]

What happened to Toyota's Solid State Battery. Still holding my breath...NOT!

[@KidHorn7001]

They'll develop it after hydrogen takes off.

[@dominiclavu193]

@@KidHorn7001 🤣

[@allangraham970]

This is what Gemini had to say about lithium dulphut bstteries "Lithium sulfide itself isn't actually considered expensive. Lithium-sulfur batteries, which are still under development, have the potential to be cheaper than lithium-ion batteries due to sulfur being an abundant and low-cost material. The high cost of lithium-sulfur batteries currently lies in the challenges researchers are trying to overcome to make them commercially viable. These challenges include short lifespans and capacity degradation"

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

Thanks 😊. I thought that might be the problem.🤔

[@jamesvandamme7786]

That's what I thought. Lithium? Sulfur? Expensive?? Naaah.

[@Apemania69]

nio has at least working semi solid state batteries avaible in china or rather this summer. they used one already for over 1000km drive they made

[@kdkd693]

$1000/kg? More like $1000/tonne in scale. Don’t quote lab grade prices

[@kieronimo1]

Cost is crucial. If they can make a product as good as CATL but way cheaper, then it's needed. When I was a kid, I used to watch a TV show in the UK called tomorrow's world. The dream of this show was that future people would have abundance, not have to work, and the environment would be maintained by machines. I loved it. That technology almost exists now, but people with power will always try to exploit. Imagine a green, clean earth maintained by fully renewable machines where nobody had to starve or suffer. It's a utopia that we will never reach, but we should keep chasing it so we don't end up with the opposite.

[@lagmonster7789]

Yea seems to me that any kind of optimism has been outlawed in the media for at least a decade or more now, misery is apparently much more profitable 😞

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

Scared people make better wage slaves and consumers!😊

[@andrewsaint6581]

Great Programme Raymond Baxter actually flew Spitfire in WWII. James Burke did a series called Connections. Curiosity Stream sponsored a new series a few years ago.

[@lagmonster7789]

@@andrewsaint6581 Connections(2) were amazing shows, i loved watching them back in the day 😁

[@Tonystarkes888]

How do you put out so many videos so often you are a machine, i wasnt really into EVs until i hired one, now iam in love with EVs i will definalty buy one because you talked me into it.

[@smiith7996]

Sucker. He's doing it because he owns Tesla stock and wants to see it rise because of people like you.

[@transmitterguy478]

We (USA) still won't have the capacity to charge them.

[@VFella]

Nice!! Amazing!! Now they only need to make solid state batteries that actually work!🤣

[@amgguy4319]

Elon Musk will have to figure out how GM was able to get legislation passed to keep competition out. It's the one they excel in.

[@ChickensAndGardening]

Let's not forget drones. Once we have lighter, longer range batteries for drones, it will revolutionize product delivery, surveillance, geological applications and wildlife observation. And military. But perhaps most world-changing will be air transportation: quad prop electric air cars are already in prototype, and longer range would make them a revolutionary reality. Exciting times ahead!

[@justme6275]

battery tech is moving very fast.... i believe when it is in mass production and consumers are buying them.

[@MrChakra108]

Batteries are a function of - energy density, cycling ability, fast charging ability and cost. You can have 3 good but not all 4 good. SSBs have high cost and low cycle life.

[@kinkeungkam2658]

high density barriers are in high demand. Because electric aeroplanes need them for over 10 thousand km long haul flights!

[@Thegoldmine1]

Do they charge faster ?

[@chasx7062]

The Question is how heavy is it?

[@prajnasamadhi60]

Don't worry, anything the Americans or Japanese come up with, Chinese will always come up with better ideas and products.

[@Phtang-phtang]

I thought CATL condenser batteries were higher than this?

[@peters972]

It’s become like biotech where drugs that are just in the lab are hyped up before the clinical trials. That’s a long way from finding a way to manufacture at scale and be safe let alone produce with the corporation making growing earnings. Lab to eps is a LONG road.

[@rozonoemi9374]

A US Company, Sakuu, just invented a solid state battery that will be very compelling. China knows this & want to sell there batteries now before competition comes along.

[@blackknight4996]

Fake news

[@rozonoemi9374]

@@blackknight4996 Check out Munroe Live about it!

[@adr2t]

@@blackknight4996 Not fake news - this is very much real. Other companies are already a head of chinese in terms of research and development and many pilot plants are already under way. This is real and China knows this is bad - same with Na batteries.

[@JamaicanMeCrazy]

I'll have to see this to believe it

[@fredericoamigo]

Glad to hear this, but you need to share your sources.

[@francoisguyot9770]

Never stop research and development! Even though the results may be disappointing at first, solutions for tomorrow's problems depends on continued development of scientific breakthroughs. The world keeps changing. Indeed the first cars batteries based on Acid-Lead or NiCD or NiMh may not have been practical or economical but improvements in overall chemistry and manufacturing have made made today's EV based on Lithium a reality. So keep the research going by all means.

[@yojimbo3681]

Let's hope Biden doesn't put tariffs on that. I just hope both sides can share technologies and learn from each other.

[@karljenn]

Have you seen the metal free battery from Sakuu? Sandy Munro did video of it last week. How would that technology stack upto other batteries in development?

[@tigranohanyan3321]

Litium sulfate chemistry is very complicated. The battery life is very short. Its a problem.

[@PhilippeDHooghe]

@Sam: light weight and low cost with added safety will always win. If that will ultimately be the solid state battery remains to be seen, you are right, but we need to explore many alleys to find the best solution. Imagine the SS battery goes through the same development as LiFePO4 and hits 1kWh / kg at cost per kWh competitive to LiFePO4. That will disrupt trucking and aviation, never mind cars... We need to look at this with the long term in perspective. It took more than 20 years to develop the PV panels we have today and the cost for producing them keeps dropping. The lab says it is possible, Elon is right to say that the mastery of producing it at an industrial scale with very low cost is the hardest. Today we see the advantages of that industrial development, the lab stuff was proven decades ago. Real progress hits the market when the cost is right. Only then. And that is why this video is encouraging, it says the Chinese have proven to slash cost by one degree of magnitude (10x) ... in the lab. But also it says current industrial processes to make these at scale is not too far out either. My guess is we need another 5 years. For people watching your channel that seems like an eternity. Because you hit them with 10 news items every day. It is all perception.

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

We will see these advances first in portable consumer electronics. Then we can watch and wait until they make it into vehicles.👍🏽😊

[@anthonycody4095]

The most affordable technology will prevail! While charge time and range matter, once both the automotive industry and consumers agree on an acceptable standard and battery technology meets this criterion, cost will be the deciding factor. In my view, CATL is poised for dominance.

[@jeffparry2754]

This has only one drawback, charging cycles.

[@suggesttwo]

7:03 it's hard is code for it's an idea and we're working on it.

[@vlhc4642]

China has a government backed solid state battery consortium called CASIP that combines the effort of battery makes including CATL and BYD, national labs and universities in an all of nation effort to dominate solid state. Even then they still said it'll be a few years away at least. So solid state is coming and China will dominate it, there's no doubt, but to say it's coming soon is a stretch.

[@arthurrobey4945]

How many discharges?

[@taavetmalkov3295]

"its inevitable that this is the beninging"

[@tomg6480]

Don't worry about evs. Can we just get a home battery that stores say 50 kWh and costs 90% less, then I'll buy a solar panel system and disconnect from the grid

[@cosmoray9750]

Viking, this article is bias from The Guardian. The title says " CATL, the little-known Chinese battery maker that has the US worried " Then it goes on to say " It is the world’s biggest battery maker, it powers electric vehicles for Tesla, Volkswagen and BMW, and its EV technology is miles ahead of US offerings, say experts " Is CATL most people have never heard of ?

[@mrmawson2438]

Not sure Sam cheers mate

[@ctuna2011]

Hey what about CATL's Condensed matter battery in the same kw/kilo range.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

I don't need more than 500 miles of range, and if LiS batteries can power a cheap car I'm waiting with bated breath.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Wait, "game changing"! Ill come back next week for the next one.😂 Cheers

[@awzsdrcfgybhjimklp]

Where can I buy solid state batteries? Looking to upgrade my EV

[@enriquegurria3947]

Maybe lfp batteries are now excellent for cars and good for trucks…but not fit for ships and planes. So that could be the way to reduce emissions in those sectors.

[@yvesinformel221]

Not the first time I hear that the have solved the problem lithium sulfur . Probably every 5 years, then I hear criquets Last time I heard that they solved the longevity problem (not to many cycle).

[@manuelferreira4622]

No they are not!

[@garvesh7372]

Compared to other Lithium batteries, how many cycles do lithium sulfide batteries exceed over what is expected as in lithium batteries.

[@jedics1]

Yep, higher densities for lower costs are happening steadily which will achieve mass adoption inevitably at some point. 1000km battery is great for maybe 10% of the population but for everybody else a battery for half the cost is going to be a far more important factor eg. A 400km Ev for about 15 grand that needs almost nothing spent on it for the next 500,000km where most if not all of its driving is fueled by solar....

[@89volvowithlazers]

Will wait to a western comp actually produces a product

[@DavidWilliams-cs5uf]

If it is possible to have such energy densities, then it would be feasible revolutionise the aero industry, shipping and road transport. As ever, we think that it will take time, however, whoever gets there first will find a vast business opportunity, hence the big rush.

[@AhBeeDoi]

With solid state batteries, I will always want to know how many charge cycles it can achiieve. If a solid state battery only has half the cycles of regular lithium ion batteries, I would argue that it actually cost twice as much as the stated cost. My true cost of a battery must also factor in the life of the battery.

[@richardcottone6620]

I think the price of the new solid state batteries will replace the condensed battery, if the price is right

[@frankcoffey]

Even if the price it too high for mass production we still need examples to do testing. Make the cars.

[@markseers8587]

The currently mass produced Amprius batteries used by Formula E for example are 500 kWh /kg.

[@alexandruilea915]

But only have about 400 to 500 cycles in them, making them good for aircrafts, drones and so on, but not for a car that's supposed to last at least 15 years.

[@4literv6]

@@alexandruilea915 500 cycles at 300+ miles which is approaching the average ev range now is good for over 150,000 miles genius. The average ice vehicle world wide is retired at 12 years old and around 130,000 miles SMDH. Some countries it's less some a bit more. 👍🏻

[@chrishaberbosch1029]

Wh/kg

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

@@chrishaberbosch1029or, kWh/tonne😊

[@jetli740]

@@4literv6 500 cycle in real world mean it last 2-3 years, if your calculation base on -- only charge when battery down to zero that not good for any battery

[@Manatek]

Another game changer ... still waiting for these changes in the game!😂

[@linuxxr]

this is great and it will further the ev industry for a long time() !! untill plastic-aluminum batts surface

[@Patriot-os7br]

My point of view is whatever happens in battery technology upgrades from here on is going to transform the players. Toyota has chosen not to be a player, and other legacy automakers as well. They could well be left holding the Baby so to speak or worse bankrupted.

[@davidbeard7262]

Specific energy (e.g. kWh/kg) rather than energy density (e.g. kWh/litre)

[@scoty_does]

This is how you put a dent in the universe.

[@Myrslokstok]

CGi Guy: soo you just want some balls bounce between two walls. Yes I think I can fix that 🙄

[@gtrogue]

Toyota is going to use them for smaller batteries in their hybrids so they will need much less material. They'll be smaller than their current batteries but have the same energy density.