Electrification in 2023 Oil Hydronic Heating to Electric Ultra Efficient Heat Pump HVAC System

[@SoutheastTx]

" Making Trades Great Again " hats that would be awesome something I will buy.

[@Dinomitsios]

Not leaking at the nails. They have excessive humidity in the house, probably from a humidifier maxed out and it’s stacking, basically going straight up into the attic and condensing on the cold metal nails. Needs a attic power venter.

[@RES_Plumbing-Drain]

Also not enough air movement, insulation shoved too far, need ridge vents installed.

[@throttlebottle5906]

probably bathrooms, other exhaust fans and maybe dryer dumping into the attic.

[@crforfreedom7407]

Nobody going to mention the R19 max in the attic? Stripping the attic, 2" CCF for vapor barrier, R30 minimum. THEN add the airflow. But the heat transfer to the attic has to be stopped first.

[@malachy1847]

@@RES_Plumbing-Drain Also about a Foot more Insulation required ...would seriously help to reduce those Bills and even lead to getting a Smaller Unit...

[@stevebabiak6997]

@@RES_Plumbing-Drain - the soffits will also have to get openings to allow air flow up and over the bottom surface if those sheets of roof decking.

[@gregkump3639]

Mike, the nails aren't leaking. The mold is along rafters too. I would put an N-95 mask on and see if they have a bathroom exhaust fan direct venting into the attic! There is a reason this house has massive moisture in the attic.

[@gregkump3639]

Yes, it probably rains in that attic if conditions are right. It is an inside moisture/ventilation problem, not leaky roof. 😉

[@LeonardCooperman]

Have 4 Carrier Greenspeed heat pumps in my house, I could not be happier.

[@flaviosanchez2861]

I love trane heat pump and gree you are too fallen in love with infinity series

[@keithN6]

The moisture on the nails is condensation. It’s being caused by either the house having a humidifier or their bathroom fan is vented into the attic.

[@richmac918]

The nails aren't leaking, it's condensation on the nails. The warm moist air from the house is hitting the cold nails and condensing.

[@brianheimbach7422]

Wow, amazing electrical work, 😮

[@carlubambi5541]

It's approved for Canada too .But to bad the wiring can get you a hefty spank from ESA if it was reported !Good thing you found it and fixed it first

[@carlubambi5541]

@@PipeDoctor Happy 4th We got ours on Saturday .Have a good one !

[@HVACGUY]

Thank you for turning that air handler around. That was the first thing I saw.

[@HVACRJAX]

1:40pm completion time, no lunch break. Great content!

[@garykratz6976]

with this new Heat pump, you put in is the start for you for the new LAW that NY want to start soon if it Pass to get read of Gas and oil for your Home.

[@Guillotines_For_Globalists]

I think the nails froze and melted. I've seen that in my unfinished garage before. NO roof leaks! It happens when you get one of those -25 polar vortex bullschits.

[@stevenstadterman9725]

ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY IS GR8..OTHER THAN ITS EXPENSIVE & IFIT BREAKS YOUR SCREWED.

[@scottdecker7261]

A forced air heating system in the attic outside of the home envelope!!...This homeowner will be winning the icicicle growing competition in the neighborhood.

[@Zack-fu8sn]

She's a mean one Mr. Grinch

[@johnnyprotalk3352]

like the sticker

[@brendanfisher2528]

I would say the roof isn't leaking there is just high humidity and no air circulation in the roof space. And the nails are a cold spot for it to condense.. Great video at always. 🇬🇧

[@melvin_0bviously]

I see what you did there

[@jasonflynn3972]

I've installed a few of the carrier VNA4 heat pump. Great units. Small board on bottom allows for the tech to connect to unit thru Blue tooth and check operations and diagnose, as well as software updates

[@shawndasharkk1138]

thanks

[@KrushKrills]

Nice work & Im dying at the commentary 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Are you guys on Long Island?

[@MrBen527]

Those big ass vacuum hoses with the same old 1/4 fittings cracks me up.

[@throttlebottle5906]

and the small schrader ports, or leaving the valves in. but even so the larger hoses will help some.

[@MrBen527]

@@throttlebottle5906 The difference the hoses make has to be trivial at best and not worth buying for that reason alone. The flow while evacuating a system decreases quickly which means less friction loss in these bigger hoses is just not an issue.

[@allstatehvac2458]

I personally believe in brazing all of my connections. In winter of 1986 I was working on a 1972 Airtemp furnace in a basement. R22 evap lines were sweat in with staybrite 8 or equivalent, I believe. I pulled on the suction line just slightly to get it out of the way to make room for a humidifier and pop the solder cracked and line blew out. I dumped the whole 15lb charge into the basement. The furnace was on and the flames turned bright green. Inhaled a little ph***gene before getting smart enough to get out. Got very lucky that day. What would have happened if that was a homeowner? I won’t take that chance. A bad braze will only leak a little and is easy to fix. There is a place for low temp solder, like evaps and associated piping and controls in medium and low temp refrigeration applications but in applications where there is potential for high pressure and the brazing is easy I will always braze. I have seen low temp joints fail under the right conditions. It is very easy to not quite fill the joint with solder and have a future issue. Carrier recommends high temp brazing as well. Why take the chance on a leak just to save 10 minutes and a little nitrogen. Teach your guys to braze and get them some good oxy-acetylene torches and make your connections really permanent. Doing this since 1982. I’ve seen a lot of things come and go through the years.

[@danieljacquez2582]

the other channel showed this unit was leaking on a connection and low on gas 2 days later. he ended up brazing it for the repair 😦 kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5jZZZ9uhal3gbM

[@MariosACandRefrigeration]

6;30 pm the next day.

[@MariosACandRefrigeration]

@@PipeDoctor with the moisture in the vacuum pump,i figured refrigerant leak,and you would finish the next day.but you call it bubbles.

[@jgphotographybyif9396]

The world is ready for the new stickers and I need that to add to my collection I'm going to give my kid when he graduates

[@lastresort1460]

steel (nails) are a thermal bridge the warm humid air coming from the living space condenses on the cold nails and drips...this is called attic rain need to seal the area and prevent humidity getting into the attic..just saying...

[@JoshuaMorash]

That’s condensation on the nails. Insulation should have been up in the ceiling, with air bats to allow flow of air from soffits outside

[@landontakeamericaback2106]

Have had a carrier at my home for 12 years. This one looks great bu so many pc boards loaded with integrated circuits, scary thought out in the moist air . Scary.

[@thefathvacguy6341]

Done by 2pm

[@ckrivitz18]

Lol I think I heard a Boston plumbing monstah quote, good stuff right there

[@loganmarshall2162]

Hey Mikey! Download the bluon app.. 24/7 Tech support all brands and connect the right parts at the right time with you brick an mortar distributors!

[@loganmarshall2162]

Gotcha? What didn’t you like?

[@loganmarshall2162]

@@PipeDoctor Appreciate the feedback… we mainly just do it now to notify for coming updates! Not sure how long it’s been but we have changed a lot recently and will soon launch Bluon for contractors. A tool for owners and service managers to better support their teams! Love your content! If you ever change your mind we are here to support you and your team 🤜🤛

[@MikeyPipesUncensored]

@@loganmarshall2162 :)

[@williamdwyer3302]

getting to-30f this weekend 2hrs north of you,gunna need the backup heat.nice to see residential installers doing a good job.ton of hacks out there.for the most part left that side of the trade.just started my 40th year.do some watching and likes,go collect those stacks.

[@richards5843]

I think that is frost on the nails and if that is mold it is usually from lack of ventilation.

[@stevenstadterman9725]

YOUR RITE !!

[@38mullet]

this all we do in orlando has bluetooth to connect to your phone via app from carrier

[@sukhavindrajatt8119]

Excellent work

[@adamcox1809]

I've got the VNA0 in my house and it's been a great unit.

[@timmeier5587]

Very quiet til about 20° outdoor ambient and then it gets louder. Be sure to keep outdoor location where the sound is objectionable. It's a higher pitch sound do to increased compressor rpms.

[@ndblckmore]

that pad under the condenser, what is that? I like it

[@bryanswanson5007]

The stay brite 8 dilemma is a tough one, Im sure it lives up to Harris's test results for tensile strength, burst pressures, liquidity temp, ect. And those are all well suitable enough for any HVAC system by a long shot no doubt, I mean cmon, Harris showed test results where one end of a copper tube was soldered with staybrite 8 and had a 15% braze joint on the other end and did a burst test, the pipe itself burst 1 inch away from the 15% joint do to higher brazing temps weakening the copper tubing around the brazed joint. I believe its a great product, The problems are one: you mentioned the biggest one, fire, theres no doubt the joints will melt and blow out if the units engulfed in fire when the liquidity point is around 500 give or take a little, braze wins there, which i think is the main reason why its actually not an accepted joining method and many local codes DO NOT allow it and many manufactures have specified in IOM's for years brazed joints only, except for mechanical connections obviously, because they dont want components failing from flux entering system, you know how some people like to really get that flux all up in that shit, Flux has two ingredients in it that are both detrimental to refrigerant systems with POE, water and acid, who really knows how much flux gets into the system even when applied very minimally. At the same time though, even with silphos alloys like 5,15% you must use flux when joining copper to brass, and the 45 and 56% alloys must use flux when joining copper to steel on systems, also alluminum brazing on newer coils requires flux as well, so not sure what to think of that argument. But ya the fire thing is a tough one to deny though, refrigerant burning , toxic gasses are deadly , not a good thing

[@TheWordJohn146]

By the way, that was me joking around with you about the Bird street job. Have you never seen the Jerky boys?

[@scottvolage1752]

Make the trades great again. That roof is a major problem but not the plumbers fault. Good work as always.

[@stephen2738]

It is not the roof it is shit insulation and maybe a bathroom vent going into the attic.

[@stephen2738]

@Tom Sawyer anything is possible but it is usually the bathroom vent going into the attic or not enough insulation

[@WALTERLICIAGA]

Congrats!!

[@thefathvacguy6341]

Wow vacuum pump would be amazing....your a great person mike

[@daved3021]

In 2012 I installed a Bryant Evolution Extreme 280ANV036 and loved it!!! Saved mucho dinero too! Comfort Setting is the only way to go to maintain best humidity levels, hot heat, cold cold and quiet operation. Also minimum 8k+ heat strip if the heat pump goes wonkie. Circuit boards can be a fickle bitch. Liked how you can manually adjust hi/low fan speed limits for best circulation and efficiency. Paid $6400 for mine new at old house in SoFLo and wish I could afford another one up here in central florida where is gets down to 30's and 40's throughout the winter season. Love your channel!!

[@jlsracing997]

I think the nails weren't leaking. The warm moist air was condensing on the cold metal. Not much insulation in that attic and I bet there isn't much ventilation.

[@bryonbutler772]

Thinking 1pm end time.

[@dirtbikenrcman]

see from the thumbnail I was thinking 25VNA836 but no big money customer bustin out the big bucks and went with the 25VNA436 oh snap.

[@mattl643]

That's a sick ass unit. Great install as usual guys. Keep up the good work.

[@sureshalbela5771]

Full support 🔥

[@benkuxhouse787]

The original installation of this heat pump looks like a typical hack job that I ran into all the time in New York. Kudos on using stay bright #8 I use that on all of my line sets when I do residential side jobs. It’s more than strong enough with tensile strength and heat. I love staybrite.

[@K0gashuk0]

@@PipeDoctor I was wondering what that was and the lack of nitrogen. Granted I have done two systems on my home and only one was purged. Both work pretty well and have only needed refrigerant added once and one cap replaced in 12 years. Now I will say that and will have issues tomorrow.

[@johnmurphy6366]

Done by130 pm!

[@eikresteven6250]

2:00 done with everything

[@siryaalli2757]

Well done

[@zachstammen9337]

Using a nest thermostat on a Carrier infinity. Don’t they require the use of the Carrier infinity control/stat?

[@zachstammen9337]

@@PipeDoctor commented prematurely, I work in hvac myself and thought something was off especially with that kind of system.

[@AmanSharma-kd1mc]

Good luck

[@juandelatorre-hr4mt]

THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO SIR ,

[@georgesummerlin1602]

Mitsubishi has air to water hydronic heating now as well. Need to check it put

[@anthonyspadafora1384]

Spacepack has a new monoblock using a Mitsubishi vapor injection compressor. Self contained, just pipe it up with PEX to a hydrocoil, throw in some antifreeze and you're done. Definitely the future of heat pumps. Makes your domestic also. Heading to Atlanta for the ASHRE show Monday. Im sure this is going to be a big deal. Everyone already has them in Europe, they just started introducing them here.

[@anthonyspadafora1384]

@@PipeDoctor I'm in Atlanta now at the ASHRE show. Today I spoke with several manufacturers. One claimed max temp of 145. But most are saying 120. I'm looking to talk to Gree and Spacepack tomorrow, I will let you know what their temps are.

[@anthonyspadafora1384]

@@PipeDoctor I spoke with Spacepack today,they seem to be no bullshit and have been doing this for a few years. They can run at 130 degrees and they make them with both standard inverter and their newest one uses a Mitsubishi vapor injection compressor for cold climates. Gree also has a new monoblock setup and sever others will be introducing theirs shortly. Also a wide variety of hydrofoil fan units were on display.

[@phillyj88]

Hey Mike im pretty sure you need a inverted trap on the Refrigerant piping. Piping needs to be above the evap coil like how the old lineset was ran

[@dustinweber6803]

I look up the manual before I opened my mouth about

[@HTCFORLYFE]

You need an inverted trap if the furnace is below the condenser not in the attic because oil will naturally flow back to compressor 😊

[@TheReelGonz]

Great sticker!!!! Little bit of false advertising with those guns 🤣🤣🤣

[@chatrkat]

That attic was a mutha. But you made it happen, and it looks good. Nice job on the joints Daniel.

[@aaliyakhan2463]

Thanks

[@Keithdoesit]

Love stay Brite#8

[@ravindersidhu9417]

4.30 pm

[@jordanbarton60]

22:53 ill say about 127 for the mircon gague

[@bhavnanayak7019]

Superb video

[@Hvac-dude]

I have brahma steel toe shoes I love them !!!

[@Hvac-dude]

@@PipeDoctor stell toes definitely come in handy !!!

[@mariofrancoo]

Thank you so much mike! were very professional and I do appreciate this.

[@bigredwag]

24 SEER!!!!!!

[@zenmaster6979]

Stay rite is good but ya gotta watch to not put to much flux It also may not be the best choice for heat pump as the pressures are higher in heat mode

[@tedhicks5431]

I thought something wasn't rt when my hilmar vac pump pulled down to 100 microns one time 45 microns

[@anilpunj580]

Installed a heat pump in a attic just like that over the summer, never again 120 degrees and no plywood, dudes lucky I don't fall into his living room while he was watching maury.

[@jonathanmarch5144]

Mikey Pipes and the boys will make quick work out of the install,I say 1:15

[@sarukour5510]

Keep it up

[@johnwalker890]

Good job Mike and crew.

[@dillrajkapur8466]

Perfect video

[@jaydegraide6205]

Mike you introduced a lot of warm air into the attic. The nails are wet due to sudden condensation. When closed up it will go away. Not sure that's mold.

[@stevebabiak6997]

It may go away, it may not if the vapor from the living space also gets into the attic via openings other than the attic hatch.

[@YourlocalHVACGuy]

done by 5:00pm vacuum 360

[@SPCFreed]

2:14pm. And actually not cheatinga

[@samarshaikh5601]

Nice one

[@xzibit8614]

Guessing 173. Could really use a vacuum pump as I’m going to put in a Pioneer mini split soon

[@consciousbeing8982]

You guys should have everything done tested and wrapped up -pulling out the driveway no later than 2:00 pm any later something must have happened.

[@outofcontrol4499]

Ahh.. the nails aren't leaking. The weather is very cold, the nails are cold, the attic is moist. That moisture is also the likely cause of the mold.

[@outofcontrol4499]

@@PipeDoctor Per the urban dictionary "retarted" means: One who has been given additional tarts". I think you were going for "retarded"? At any rate I find some irony in the reply. But seriously, what would be surprising about a piece of metal with a nice broad surface outside a building on a cold day conducting heat from the end of a nail penetrating the building and causing its temperature to fall below dewpoint? And how, exactly, would one incorrectly pound in a roof full on nails such that each and everyone leaks? If a cold water line entering a house causes condensation to drip on the floor is the pipe leaking?

[@jeffreyhellner]

Units have sweat suction and liquid tube connections. Make suction tube connection first. 1. Cut tubing to correct length. 2. Insert tube into sweat connection on unit until it bottoms. 3. Braze connection using silver bearing or non- silver bearing brazing materials. Do not use solder (materials which melt below 800_F / 427_C). Consult local code requirements. 4. Evacuate coil and tubing system to 500 microns using deep vacuum method. this is right out of the carrier install manual

[@jeffreyhellner]

@@PipeDoctor i agee with you, however the install instructions specifically say to use a brazing material that has a melting point over 800degrees f, the melting point of stay bright 8 is only 550. you seem to be a stickler to the instructions and this is a clear observation of the instructions not being followed.

[@jeffreyhellner]

@@PipeDoctor if another carrier dealer went out there and observed the use of soft solder joints it would void the factory warranty. you know manufactures look for any reason to void the warranty

[@mohanpatel1189]

Amazing video

[@frankbodosky747]

1:20pm key in the ignition

[@chaseheatingcoolinginc.2758]

Been using Carrier for years ,exclusively. Nice equipment but the infinity stuff is big money. Awesome system. Have the same one in my house and a bunch out in service. Nice job Mikey Pipes!!

[@arcticcat81]

Carrier Infinity are trash. I have one and because I’m not the original owner it only has a 5 year warranty. Of course I noticed it freezing up and had a carrier service company come out that installed it and they can’t figure it out and carrier won’t warranty it because here in Ny it was installed in April so the warranty ran out in April but I don’t use Ac in April and when we ran it for the first time in late May warranty was expired. In the spring I’m ripping out this crap that was installed new in 2017.

[@stevebabiak6997]

@@PipeDoctor - that is a decent warranty, but is that warranty transferable to new owners upon sale of the house?

[@arcticcat81]

That’s what carrier told me that the 10 year warranty is for original owner even know it was installed April 2017 and I bought the house August 2019. So the system was only 2 years old when I bought house and if you put equipment serial number it says 5 year warranty because I’m not the original owner. It just infuriates me with how much these cost that the 10 year warranty wouldn’t extend to new owner. The real kicker is the companies that I called could ask the distributor to cover mine under warranty because it was just out of the 5 year by a few months but they never get back to me. I call and email but nothing.

[@arcticcat81]

Too bad you’re not upstate. The companies that deal with carrier Infinity systems have no clue. I spent over 500 to have them replace the TXV and filter because they have no idea. Furnace part works great but condenser is trash. I was a Carrier fan boy for a long time. I have had 5 carrier systems installed in multiple homes I have owned over the years too.

[@dustinweber6803]

Mikey I had to look up stay Brite 8 I've never heard of or seen that used in the field, looks like you've changed my mind I'm going to buy some for sure

[@johnmurphy6366]

That attic needs to have the insulation doubled up,pulling moisture up from inside building envelope

[@chesneyquinn2377]

Gotta love when the installer didn't flip the coil and when you get up you see the back of the unit😆🤣😅🤬

[@jmaldonado741]

Love me some infinity!

[@jamesabrothers8117]

By noon

[@teeg3275]

So felt when he said “I don’t want to marry this system” 😂😢

[@collinp56]

Made me re evaluate my life hahah

[@collinp56]

@@PipeDoctor they think their slick

[@johnanderson3842]

Dollars to donuts it not a leak but condensation on the Old roof nails

[@robertpenczar8930]

Once again, great great content.

[@consciousbeing8982]

Loved the install the guys did a great job and I love the deep vacuum as well other than how close the unit is to the house this was a great install hopefully you guys were out of there by 2 and the vacuum may have pulled to about 64 microns

[@tehGazdaa]

1:30 and 58 microns? I need me some mikey pipes merch 🙂

[@stevedoesitbetter]

W1 would be heating Mikey video time (13:12) you meant Y1 js. Love the videos brother keep them coming. Shitty situation with that mold for that poor customer. I see it all the time as well unfortunately.

[@diveshkumar8337]

Fantastic

[@HTCFORLYFE]

Done by 4 and vacuum pulled down to 80 microns

[@tccoggs]

High efficiency system in an unconditioned attic. Not sure I'm a fan of that concept, seems like if you want to spend a pile of money on efficiency, your typically better off tightening up the building envelope first.

[@tccoggs]

@@PipeDoctor Floral Park native, now out east. I see it all the time, not your problem/fault, but typically the best money spent is on insulation and weather sealing.

[@throttlebottle5906]

@@tccoggs that's no lie!

[@brandonstephens1447]

Perfectly normal I’m Florida to have them in Attics. I’m an hvac technician and installed a 3 ton 20 seer system in my attic. Been running great for 7 years now.

[@ronnyrath816]

I install and work on hundreds of these. We are Carrier dealer and from my experience. If you have poor insulation and inefficient ductwork. These infinity system sucks, they have a tough time operating. I never recommend an infinity system if you have a poor insulation.

[@stevebabiak6997]

In northern climates, the problem with condensing equipment in attics during winter is the chance of condensate freezing. If that problem is properly handled, it works (although with forced air and heat rising, the lower levels and the lower parts of rooms might feel cool). For cooling during summer it’s probably better since the cool air falls and the warm air rises. This looks like replacing equipment on a retrofit into a house where radiators and a boiler were the original form of heat, and there was no cooling. And the house is probably poorly insulated unless someone went to the trouble of insulating in one of the last three or four decades.

[@aashasoni3554]

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