elementary OS 7: is it enough for me to switch back?

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Download Safing's Portmaster and take control of your network traffic: safing.io

[@brasik1722]

How is this comment 1 day before video?

[@lynn_targz]

@@brasik1722 I think he uploaded it some days ago and commented while the video was private

[@faucillon]

@@lynn_targz Yep.

[@faucillon]

@@brasik1722 He's been trying to hide it for a while, but @TheLinuxEXP has in fact invented a time traveler. #truestory

[@wedhimd]

it doesn't work in opensuse

[@janehoyken]

I think elementary os still needs to recover from that drama last year. I really hope the project can get back to full speed someday

[@prgnify]

what happened?

[@Lord0x]

what happened?

[@alexisfinaris2051]

@@Lord0x "The company behind elementary OS has been losing money for quite some time. Two co-founders are not pleased with each other and are attempting to part ways… and it is getting messy." -- The Lunduke Journal of Technology One of the co-founders, Cassidy James switched to EndlessOS and now is working with Gnome Upstream Another one, Danielle Fore is directing Elementary solo now

[@WohaoG]

@@prgnify I just saved you from ganon

[@WohaoG]

@@Lord0x I just saved you from ganon

[@mirage809]

Thank goodness for Elementary. They showed that a coherent looking ecosystem on Linux was possible. Without them I don't think Gnome and KDE would've made the leaps they've made in the recent years. Even if they're getting surpassed in usability and neatness now, they still blazed the trail. Good to hear that Gnome Web is shaping up into a functional web browser. I'd like to use a web browser that natively integrates nicely into the whole Gnome system. Perhaps it might finally be ready for prime time. Don't worry though Nick, I too am still clinging to Firefox like a stubborn fool. I'll staunchly make sure that Chromium doesn't achieve their monopoly.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Absolutely. I don’t think that without them we would have libadwaita or more focus on the UX

[@TheVincentKyle]

Firefox til I die, and even then my kids prefer it too.

[@Ryan-ct3rv]

Firefox gnome theme is really good for a more libadwaita feeling browser without sacrificing browser functionality, however the gestures aren't as good

[@elecbaguette]

I'll die with you on that hill

[@yahavshalem5692]

I'll switch to gnome web the second they support chrome extensions. There's a browser on Mac os that supports all extensions, regardless of browser type, something like this on gnome web will be the best

[@brundle_fly_3895]

It’s the macOS of the Linux world, everything made with a reason and they want things done there way, I love it

[@pttransamdriver1999]

I love both elementary os and fedora. I love them for different reasons. I feel like elementary is faster and it's look out of the box is just beautiful. Fedora is better for newer laptops and it's pretty solid but not as solid as elementary os. I still used elementary as my daily driver due to the stability. I do have a wish list for elementary though.

[@danyaklich7024]

"It’s the macOS of the Linux world" just makes me want to run screaming in the opposite direction...

[@rivubardhan5176]

@@danyaklich7024 😆well said

[@CommodoreFan64]

@@danyaklich7024This 100%, which is why I use Solus, and while their software center might not have every single thing something like the AUR has it does have more than enough apps, and hardware support that I don't feel limited by it, plus I have choice of a few different DE's.

[@theviniso]

@@CommodoreFan64 I really like Solus and was a happy user for a long time but the project seems to be dying slowly since Josh left. They haven't even updated the iso yet, it's been what, over two years now? I wish them the best but I think I'll stay on Fedora for now.

[@altrogeruvah]

As a GNOME user, I absolutely need to praise elementaryOS's amazing font rendering engine. I don't know how they do it, but there's nothing remotely close to it on Linux. They've taken the time to craft a framework akin to macOS's and it shows.

[@panjimartiandaru3081]

Goodness, yes yes ye, eOS font rendering engine is mile ahead other distros, nothing come close yet.

[@extradipboneless]

My gripe with most Linux distros was the hideous font rendering that was hurting my eyes. I need to take a good look at elementaryOS. Thanks!

[@llothar68]

I hope the Linux guys swallow their pride and take the Microsoft port of DirectWrite and Direct2D they are porting. One of the insane things is that all drawing is still single cpu core.

[@c5n8]

I think it uses the same engine ubuntu does, called Pango. I didn't notice when I first saw it about 10 years ago, not until I use Windows again and thinking that there was something wrong with my eyes 😂

[@altrogeruvah]

@@c5n8 From what I understand, Pango is the engine that handles multi-language glyph inputs, as opposed to its graphics rendering... I could be wrong, though font rendering on Ubuntu is also fantastic!

[@MrJellmoo]

For the life of me, with all of the efforts they have made to put together a distro that seems very friendly to new users with solid QoL innovations for working out of the box, I cannot understand why they make it so ridiculously difficult for a new Linux user to find and install the apps that they are going to want and need.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Same here

[@ThePressurizer]

Especially a fully functional browser and an office suite.

[@llothar68]

The app center was their idea to finance their company. At least they still better than Microsoft with their store.

[@Titere05]

Because those apps don't conform to their coherent experience

[@ThePressurizer]

@@Titere05 A coherent experience isn't worth very much if your favorite websites don't work and you can't even type a letter.

[@dustanddeath3985]

Not a dragging release. I'm calling it now: a *strolling* release.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Hey that’s pretty nice!

[@RobertHalvarsson]

A jogging 👟 release.

[@miguelguthridge]

I can get behind this

[@elyzsabethahne2116]

I like this!

[@fenndev]

For me, Fedora and GNOME have taken a clear lead in the desktop experience and desktop environment departments. I want consistency and fluidity - I wish I didn't have to install GNOME extensions or themes to get that, but slap on the GTK3 Libadwaita theme and the MoreWaita icon pack and it almost looks like a complete, cohesive ecosystem. ElementaryOS walked so that GNOME and KDE could fly, in my opinion.

[@WaldirPimenta]

As someone who used to keep old laptops and netbooks around, and still uses a vertical screen (which means limited horizontal space) I really appreciate the detail of making apps more responsive.

[@aclayfish]

I have used ElementaryOS since the very beginning. I used PearOS before that. However, when elementaryOS 6 came, and upgrading required me to format the whole PC, I switched to Ubuntu, and I stay at 22.04LTS.

[@cameronbosch1213]

You shouldn't stay on 22.04; it's a broken mishmash of GNOME 41 & 43. At least 22.10 and later fix that. Honestly, I'd just do the upgrades every 6 - 9 months or so until 24.04 so that GNOME is unified.

[@panjimartiandaru3081]

I used eOS quite long time, long time ago, started when it still use 0.x numbering. However the hardware requirement increased by each version and I ended up moving to XFCE, even after I upgraded my PC 2 years ago. While I have enough power to run even the heaviest DE now, XFCE is just too pleasant to use. What I loved from eOS was how polished it is. Moving to eOS from Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint, I was blown by the QoL build in by eOS team. Touchpad support was especially fantastic. Many little things that eOS did, can't be found on other distros at the time, making eOS absolutely pleasant and joy to use. However, watching this video, it seems they need something more to give them edge to other distros now, because other distro is improving so much that they basically reaching eOS level of polish now. I may try installing this distro for nostalgia reasons later, and see how much it changed from the last time I use it.

[@lynn_targz]

for me, the disadvantages of elementary OS 7 and Pantheon are not an issue, but I will not switch back right now, because the elementary project is basically handled by a single person. I'll keep an eye on it, just like you'll do :) Your videos are amazing btw ^~^

[@Vantud391]

Single man, not a team? Wow 😮😲

[@lynn_targz]

@@Vantud391 there are independent developers contributing towards elementary OS, but the company behind it "elementary Inc." is a lone wolf enterprise because the team had some disagreements.

[@CommodoreFan64]

@@lynn_targz the team having disagreements is a major understatement if I ever heard one. 😅

[@lynn_targz]

@@CommodoreFan64 yep, but I didn't want to go too much into detail

[@Arnt91]

I don't use projects owned and managed only by one person. It's too risky! It could be set aside anytime soon 😕

[@talkysassis]

Their idea for the appcenter was great. The problem is that you can't really monetize anything here.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Well, you can, the issue is that it doesn’t offer this model for generic Flatpak apps, so unless you submit specifically for elementary OS, you don’t get the feature :/

[@udittlamba]

@@TheLinuxEXP I mean, that is understandable, flathub is a third party tool used by devs to gain platform independence. now providing payment links especially for elementaryOS breaks that. unless flathub devises a standard metadata that contains such links in some way, it won't be.

[@talkysassis]

@@TheLinuxEXP It's not a real monetizing feature if the customers can pay 0. I can't put a mandatory price on appcenter.

[@MarquisKurt]

On the note about AppCenter: I get the frustration, though I feel it’s about framing to some extent. It seems to me that AppCenter is aiming to be more like the App Store on iOS/macOS rather than a package manager like Gnome Software. In that respect/framing, it seems to work as designed. I’d also like to note that I’m not necessarily saying that this is the way and that AppCenter can’t be criticized, but I figured I’d make the note as someone that uses macOS and iOS/iPadOS regularly for iOS app development.

[@MarquisKurt]

@@rumble1925 I’d agree in the sense that it’s how it functions, but the elementary OS homepage doesn’t bill it as such: “Get free and paid apps on AppCenter, the open, pay-what-you-can app store for indie developers. Each app has been reviewed and curated by elementary to ensure a native, privacy-respecting, and secure experience.” There’s nothing in that description that reads, “this is the same thing as Ubuntu Software or Gnome Software, and it should operate like any GUI package manager.” It’d be one thing if they did list that functionality, but they explicitly haven’t because, again, AppCenter seems to be more like an App Store.

[@xenajin6827]

The distro is really nice for not so tech savvy users. Installed it and zorin on a lot of my friend's laptops because they were tired of random reboots from windows updates😂. Nice work, Microsoft

[@sagichdirdochnicht4653]

Oh man, those Windows Updates! For People who use a PC less often, they can render a Device borderline useless! My Fianc has a Laptop; she only needs PCs very, very irregulary. But she didn't power it on in over 2 years - simply because when she needed it, Windows would do updates.Meaning you simply can not use that stupid thing AT ALL while they are installing. And for me the same story. On the few occations, where I would need another PC to eg test something - her device was allways out of the question - I'm not in the mood to wait half an hour or more for this thing to boot up. As this Laptop was basically completely unused at this point, I just riped off Windows and installed Linux. Guess what? She has started to use it occationally again - because it just works. And it just boots up, when you need it. (Also, even if Windows doesn't do an Update... Damn is that thing slow! Kubuntu is installed and even with the KDE DE this is around a thousand times more snappy and responsive. Boot times are WAY faster as well.)

[@hasse8745]

It needs to be said that eOS has been spearheading UX in the Linux space for some years now. And while they're still showing how less can be more, they've indeed started falling behind in some areas. Flatpaks is a good example. They have spent a significant amount of resources trying to promote and implement flatpaks as a primary packaging format (which has gained quite a bit of traction) but then puts hurdles in front of users to access flathub. I also miss quarter-tiling quite a bit from Pantheon.

[@RussellHampton1]

As an ex Mac user, I so wanted Elementary 7 to finally be my go-to distro on my MacBookPro. Unfortunately I've wasted another couple of hours desperately trying to get it to do stuff other distros just do out of the box. There may be bugs but it refused to install a Runtime update and install the Broadcom Wifi driver from the Software installer. Installed the Driver from the Terminal but I shouldn't have had to do that. Downloaded my favourite Vivaldi Browser as a deb as usual but no means to install it without resorting to the Terminal at which point I gave up. As for Web? Slow and drove my MacBook fan to its limit. Sorry Elementary, I appreciate what you are trying to do but as Nick says, its just not beginner-ready!

[@dis0nancia]

Elementary is intended to be used with flatpak

[@guss77]

A year and a half between 6 and 7 is really quick. I remember 5 was in service for something like 3 years, and everyone was upset that the update to the next LTS base took more than a year.

[@JonathanSteadman2003]

I love elementary OS! 🥰🥰🥰

[@febribayunurcahyo9308]

this dude is absolutely ballin about his passion about linux. got all the things that i have never actually thinking about covered. and the sponsor is all related to linux or open source thing. great works!

[@EddieSlabb]

Nick is my favorite KZbinr on the citadel. He's honest, direct and sincere in his observations and uses linux in his daily work life. He seems like a stand up guy.

[@wallyhackenslacker]

2:37 oh God, with the padding! So, so much padding!

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Compared to GNOME, it looks kinda slim?

[@dierkrieger]

I used to love this Distro, I would love to see them become successful.

[@currentsubset6885]

something i think would be interesting to do is to have a separate de for each computer: elementary os for work, KDE for personal desktop use and Gnome for laptops. though you'd want elementary os' office suite problem to be fixed.

[@matthiasbendewald1803]

Thank you for testing things on hardware, fully agree: It is the only way.

[@RU-qv3jl]

We need more people on Firefox. I have used it for years and I hope it continues to live. If it dies and we are left with only Blink and WebKit it will be a dark day once again :( It would be nice if the Mozzarella foundation wasn’t quite as fat at the top in terms of what they pay the people at the top who seem to have screwed up each time I read about them. Although maybe they do a good job most of the time and I only read about them when they screw up. Still Firefox needs to survive.

[@megadog_]

“Mozzarella foundation” I don’t know if that was intentional or not but either way that is hilarious

[@cameronbosch1213]

We need to rely on a fork. Mozilla is going to die because no matter what we as enthusiasts do, it's not going to be enough. A community fork like Librewolf might be our last hope...

[@sagichdirdochnicht4653]

@@cameronbosch1213 Then don't keep your hopes up. If Mozilla dies, Firefox dies with it. And if Firefox dies, all of it's Forks will die with it. At least it is highly unlikely, that the webengine will be developed much further. Without it's own engine, there really isn't a point anymore. We allready have PLENTY good FOSS webkit/chromium based browsers. I therefore hope, that Mozilla somehow stays alive. It would be one of the biggest tragedies in FOSS if it died, because with Firefox a part of the free Web will die with it. As long as there is Firefox, I'm going to use it.

[@elyzsabethahne2116]

@@megadog_ Sounded like a cheesy comment, to me--a case of rind and punishment.

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

Mozilla jumped the shark when they were outed as bigots for getting rid of the founder and CEO.

[@CristianMolina]

This distro needs funding if we want it to be better than KDE /Gnome because things like Wayland migration and own apps development takes tons of effort

[@beepboopbeepboop190]

Elementary has always felt like it was super close to being the distro I can finally recommend to my parents to at least somewhat protect against windows security risks. With every release there's always at least one or two critical things that make me say "ah, nope, I'm not playing tech support on that" and cross my fingers for the next release. My fingers are still crossed for later updates to 7 or v8 or something.

[@definitlynotbenlente7671]

I always felt there was stuff missing no file search jn the menu and how hard jt is to install apps having to add flatpack to install anything if they fixed those issues and where less stugorn they os could becoume really big

[@abinsyr]

I left Windows XP for Ubuntu back before Windows 7 came out. I live booted the original .1 release of elementary OS but never installed it. I did install the .2 release of elementary OS and it’s been my one and only OS since then. I’ve tried other OS’s over the years on spare drives and currently have Pop OS installed on a secondary drive right now , and while Pop is a great OS, elementary OS is still my home. I’ve already installed elementary OS 7 in Boxes on my current desktop and just ordered a new 2tb SABRENT Rocket NVMe to install the new version on. I agree that Flatpak should be enabled by default, but from my perspective, it’s small potatoes. I’m the guy in my world who helps friends and family break free from Windows and into the Linux world by installing elementary OS on their laptops for them. None of these people could navigate creating a bootable flash drive or the UEFI boot issues to get any Linux distro running, so having to enable Flathub integration by my install isn’t something I’d loose a bit of sleep over, nor is it a detriment that any of my friends are ever aware of. If I recommend Elementary OS to someone who’s capable of installing it by themselves, it’s a simple reminder to have them head to Flathub for their first sideloaded program install. My wish list for elementary OS is small... Appimage integration and Wayland support. I really appreciate your videos and I’m only disappointed in the fact that too many people will only concentrate on what you don’t like about elementary OS 7, instead of the great praise you gave it in some important areas. In my opinion, it’s still the most intuitive OS to setup for someone without a lot of computer experience, while not getting in the way of experienced users. I’m still going to keep a copy of Pop OS installed and will also install the new Vanilla OS too, but elementary is still home.

[@bucklinspring]

Crazy how this distro still looks almost identical to how it did when I last used elementaryOS over a decade ago.

[@maximum4615]

This doesn't really have anything to do with elementary OS, but I'm glad I'm not the only person sticking with Firefox lol. Sure, Gnome Web and Konqueror are alright nowadays, and Chromium and Brave have been getting love from the community for a while, but in my mind Firefox is still the default option that comes to mind when somebody says "web browser".

[@SuitedCynic]

eOS 5 was the first Linux distro that I've used privately (until I played around too much and broke it, ending up using Windows again for a while), now I'm on Fedora 37 and I have to say: eOS 7 looks and feels (from a under-the-hood perspective) stale to me, so I'll also stick with what I have right now.

[@D0J0P]

I agree on some of the points. For the AppCenter, I still feel overall that eOS' AppCenter is better than the Gnome Software Center. The categories of the front page on AppCenter is a lot easier to understand(Accessories, Communications, Internet, Office, etc.), whereas the one on Gnome's is really confusing, as Switched To Linux mentioned when it first came out. It has categories like "Work" "Play" "Create" and so on. What does that crap even mean??? So if I want to install a web browser for example, do I click on "Work" or "Play"? Their whole category blocks are really stupidly named, and the gradient colors they have are ugly too. To find what you need, you'll have to search it in Software Center, which is not a problem on either one. Otherwise, you're right that the app pages themselves do show more info on Gnome's than on eOS', and no FlatHub integration sucks, but if you know what you're doing, you can enable that easily and it's done. You have a point on the Applications Menu not showing results from the entire system itself, which is a modern feature. I wouldn't necessarily hold being on X11 over Wayland against eOS. Wayland is still pretty new, and not fully mature. I would give it a few years before it can really be used everywhere, but it definitely is the future. I will have to use a different email than Google's, as they don't seem to play nice with any 3rd party email client, so it's hell trying to use Gmail outside of their web client. This is definitely looking like a nice release. They do focus a lot more on polish over new features, which is a nice thing to do anyway, even if that means that features will come more slowly.

[@StarlordStavanger]

I'm good. Fedora is all I need, thanks for the video tho!

[@KuruGDI]

@Nick: 11:15 would have been a good point to put your live video into one of the tiles. When you want to change the scene you could enlarge the video and make it full screen

[@TheLinuxEXP]

True!

[@jonaskeepauthor1935]

Elementary was good at coaxing my back to Linux from Mac OS, however, once I was back into the rhythm of Linux it didn’t take me long to jump over to other, better os’s (better in my opinion). It looks like eos has improved slightly with the latest update but it is simply nowhere near good enough to pull me back from fedora.

[@MannyGraal]

Still like the Super + F to drag and get a real time Picture in Picture screen from the area you dragged

[@gofrancis]

I switched to Linux Mint XFCE 3 years ago & am now on version 21.1 mate.

[@TheNets]

I love the opensource world but sometimes it's sad for me seeing many teams creating the same solution again and again. If the elementaryOS team worked on Gnome or KDE, I can't imagine how incredible the results they would be able to achieve.

[@xamineh]

Exactly my thoughts. Too many forks, lots of talented people focusing individually on reinventing the wheel.

[@bragefuglseth3505]

As a GNOME user, I think ElementaryOS has a place in the ecosystem. Yeah, maybe they are «reinventing» the wheel, but you can bet they are making sure the wheel is so polished that you can use it as a mirror. This is something not even the big DEs manage to do in the same way, because they prioritize other things. More devs really wouldn’t solve it. Elementary is perfect for a lot of people, and I’d be sad to see it go. Also, they *do* bring advantages to other desktops as well! AFAIK they were one of the key distros in creating the global, cross-desktop dark mode setting. They collaborate closely with GNOME, which is good for both of the desktops. This is open source, after all :)

[@xamineh]

@@bragefuglseth3505 You are reinforcing my point. COLLABORATION. Imagine if most of the distros didn't exist and in fact all of those talented devs worked together towards a same OS? Instead, people converge opinions, split up and go do their business separate, which is not productive. If only opensource linux had only a handful of distros with bigger teams... Imagine instead of having distro A, B, C, etc we had 'Gnome distro', 'KDE distro', 'Pantheon distro', and all of those people from, for example, Gnome distros (Ubuntu, PopOS, Fedora, etc) working INTO ONE project only... Linux would definitely beat MacOS and Windows easily.

[@bragefuglseth3505]

@@xamineh If one of these «super OSes» made a decision people didn’t like, there would be few other options out there. Take Fedora, for example, and their recent h264 controversy. (I still love Fedora, but I know a bunch of people who wouldn’t like that). The reason people use Windows/macOS instead of Linux is because W/m comes preinstalled on most computers. There are already some vendors who ship Linux (and some even ship Elementary), but less distros wouldn’t solve the vendor problem. Options are important.

[@xamineh]

@@bragefuglseth3505 Well.. That's exactly the problem with Linux. The moment a dev doesn't like or agree with something, they leave and fork further. You can't please 100% of the people all the time. This is the nature of all things.

[@NormanF62]

You can fix the crippled desktop by tossing Pantheon Files and replacing it with Nemo. Now you can put files, folders and icons on the desktop. That’s a serious bug of EOS. The second thing is you can’t easily change the settings so you need to install a third party tool called Pantheon Tweaks. Now you can customise it! The least user friendly things about it are addressed.

[@MysteryMan159]

I love the aesthetics of elementary. It’s beautifully put together. It just seems like they intentionally place barriers to people using it (for principles). I understand they don’t want some ugly but functional program to mess up their aesthetic ... I get it. But that’s something that happens on every OS. MacOS included. Windows included. Gnome does the same thing ... just not as bad because they still allow extensions, so it’s like “hack it if you want to, but don’t blame us.” Gnome has global search, so I suffer in gnome for that reason. Elementary definitely needs that feature to be viable as a serious distro.

[@bragefuglseth3505]

Neither Windows, macOS or GNOME «prohibit» applications that don’t follow their HiG by default :)

[@Dezo365]

When windows 10 ends support I will switch to this Linux distro I really like the design.

[@Matruchus]

Depends on your PC configuration. If you use Nvidia GPU then go for it. If you use AMD GPU then go for PoP OS which looks virtually the same, cause Elementary OS uses outdated Linux Kernel in which AMD GPU drivers are contained.

[@Dezo365]

@@Matruchus I don't have a gpu 😂

[@lynn_targz]

@@Dezo365 how is your pc displaying something if your pc does not have a GPU or APU?

[@Dezo365]

@@lynn_targz I have a intel Core i5 apu

[@lynn_targz]

@@Dezo365 oh okay, there is no need for you to install any apu/gpu drivers as your apu driver is already embedded within the kernel

[@ExteelPaprika]

The "dragging" release gives me stuff to look forward to.

[@MohanRam]

That's a big deterrent, when Flatpak apps look completely different. At least with Ubuntu and Kubuntu flatpak apps look like rest of the system.

[@PatrickDunn13078]

Thanks Nick! No tray icon indicators for nextcloud/dropbox is a hard fail for me.

[@blackchristiangeek]

Thanks for the review. I've tried elementary OS several times in the past, usually with each new update and I don't think I've ever used it for more than a single week. It just didn't work for me. So again, thanks for the review but I'll stick to KDE plaster God bless!

[@lisovyy]

still no upgrade from previous major version without full re-install, yuck. this is kind of unacceptable nowadays.

[@walking_on_earth]

I can't f***ing believe that they shipped another release of Elementary where you have to download a flatpak from the WEB BROWSER to enable flathub in the app center. It makes NO SENSE. Let me flip a switch in the app center settings to enable flathub, that is the only user-friendly way to handle it!!

[@pawe1]

I'm unable to connect the secondary monitor to it. Tried all ways given on stackoverflow and other forums/blogs. Did anyone had the same issues and fixed it?

[@als_pals]

I'd love to see what you make of vanilla os! I was a strong supporter of elementary (made mixer which you featured) but after the upset last year I moved to fedora for a simple gnome experience. Now it looks like I might be moving over to vanilla!

[@sofiaknyazeva]

This time I'll surely give it a try... But back when I saw this distro the UI was quite outdated and with this release they still stick with them lol It's also rare anyone will recommend to try Elementory OS...nowadays I like you explanation, really well done ^_^)*

[@JohnCrawford1979]

Not having a graphical package installer is not a deal breaker for me. I prefer something like how Arch's AUR is open and easy to search. Plus, especially with how updating or installing Pipewire can be a delicate issue when Pulse isn't ready to give up the ghost, it's good to know which things installed may have caused the issues, rather than doing a multi-meta install dump and have to dig through the mess to find out what's gone wrong. For maybe easy installs, a graphical pacage installer works fine, but I trust the terminal with more complex installations.

[@kravmaga7070]

elementary OS 5.1.7 Hera on my toshiba sateleite c650D laptop is using about 50% of memory and 50-90 %cpu under medium load. will upgrading to newest version of elementry help this or time to get a new laptop? or whats a much lighter version of linux that will thrive on these specs? 3.8 GB memory, Dual-Core AMD Athlon(tm) II P320 Dual-Core Processor

[@faucillon]

Jesus! I checked earlier today for the release. It still wasn't there. Now it is and you already had a video on it O.o you're a beast Nick! Thanks for the nice info! A like well deserved!

[@stephenwilson0386]

eOS 5 and 6 were my go to for my laptop because of gestures, but then Gnome 40 and KDE added them and were much more complete out of the box. These days elementary seems like they're just playing catch-up instead of innovating, so I'll stick with KDE Neon on my laptop and openSUSE/Ubuntu/Windows 10 on my desktop (yes I triple boot, don't @ me)

[@nash475]

KDE now have 1:1 gestures? Can you control system animations with it?

[@stephenwilson0386]

@@nash475 Not 100% sure what you mean by system animations, but you can switch workspaces and assign different things to gestures (similar to Gnome) if you're running Wayland.

[@keyboard_g]

OpenSuse Tumbleweed with Pantheon. Something that can fix some of the major faults.

[@TheBaekho]

I don't know if that's just me, but file searching in files became a pain since Odin. It may sund like a little problem, but file searching is something that I'm used to do a lot, and is the main thing that kept me away from elementary. When you type something inside an folder instead of selecting the folder that you're searching, like kde plasma, if searches for the folder, like Gnome, but it is painfully slow. And if you try to scroll to find the folder while it is searching, it won't work, you have to click out of the search to scroll through the folder, which cancels the search.

[@jay_321]

Long time elementary user here and I was pretty much done with them after Jolnir, which was a basketcase that ended up in a kernel panic. I wanted to try Fedora Silverblue but I looked at the known issues and right at the top of the list are hardware acceleration problems for AMD GPUs. Ehh no. Wanted to load Elementary Hera which always worked well for me but I can't find it. Ended up trying Elementary 7 Horus and I'm so glad I did! It's working smoothly and problem-free for a week now. Overall, Hera is better than Horus because Music worked on Hera. It still doesn't work on Horus.

[@TheDFamGo]

thanks for an incredible overview. I'll keep watching on this particular distro...

[@honeybadger781]

My workflow is very simple. I use Super + 1 through 4 to access Terminal, VScode, Firefox and File Manager in that order. Those are the apps I flick between constantly. I can work like that in any Linux desktop / window manager, even Windows 7,10 and 11. Except eos it just flicks between desktops and can't be changed to shortcuts on the dock.

[@valdez66667]

Thanks so much for the blunt and honest review!

[@StemLG]

still lacks app indicators :( sad

[@DMoRiaM]

"Sideloading" How you change the way people perceive things? You force the change oway people use the words to discribe things. We used to "install" a program, by effectively installing it or coping the executable for use. Now they are pushing the idea that "install" a software is only when you use a software "curated", "allowed" and from the "oficial" app center for the distribuition. If you to it using other means it is "sideloading" a non oficial (read: "incorrect", "reprehensible") way to "implant" "alien" software in the system.

[@xaqshunr]

Double +1 for the Warhammer reference. For the Emperor! 🤘

[@TheLinuxEXP]

He protects!

[@Speaktrap]

The "flat design" NEVER looked good, I'm so glad elementaryOS theme never went full-on this way

[@KuruGDI]

Some say distros like KDE neon (and apparently elementary OS) combine the worst of two worlds: 1) A core that is outdated after a year and therefore does not support new hardware as good as eg. a fresh release of Ubuntu does and 2) you have a rolling DE which brings you all the latest bugs right to your doorstep with every update. As a KDE neon user I can tell you that this sometimes really gets on my nerves. Since it's my private media laptop it's not a problem, but I would never use this on a productive machine that HAS to work.

[@IgorEngelen1974]

Still no transparent dock? :-s

[@MdAsifInIT]

Which distro you using these days ?

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Fedora!

[@My-noname]

Tnx! Always a pleasure to watch your videos.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

I’m glad you enjoy them!

[@mindblow7617]

I paid for Elementary OS in good faith, the experience was OK at the start, crashed several times in 3 different computers and requested support, after several reinstalls I got none of the promised support, in the end I gave up, it was the most capitalist experience I had with an OS since Windows.

[@kuhluhOG]

2:24 On unrelated news: With the 1.35 Patch of Europe Universalis IV Japan will be able to have "God-Emperor" as their title for their emperor.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Excellent!!

[@peterkoi1535]

Its weird that Linux is pretty poor on modern music players

[@edd9581]

Amarok was good. but as tends to be with FOSS niche apps it got abandoned...

[@tomasmartinez2974]

The only good one in my opinion is amberol

[@peterkoi1535]

@@tomasmartinez2974 Yeah me too, but I find it a bit too minimalistic tbh. Also is just one, we should have more.

[@jivemelon]

Audacious GTK has been a really sleek and useful player for me

[@-aexc-]

strawberry has been great for me with a kvantum theme

[@ChristianClark]

what about the team and the development ?

[@nitroman2266]

I finally decided to install this after your video. Are you going to make a guide on how to customize the os.

[@petergrin3629]

No minimize button!

[@dis0nancia]

Use the dock or the keyboard shortcut

[@Vylpes]

As someone who came from macOS, I am tempted to try elementary again. I love how macOS looks and feels tbh

[@lrobuck]

Hi Nick! It is so refreshing to get an actual opinion on a linux distro. Most of the time all we hear is politically correct reviews. Sometimes viewers want to know if and why or why bit their favorite content creators would use a particular software. Thank you for being so thorough and informative.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Well, generic distro reviews, I always felt were super boring, so I think the value I can add is saying what I think works and what doesn’t, but of course it’s just my opinion

[@sonang7721]

Why can't we have a Fedora Spin with Pantheon? I use Fedora but really dig the aesthetic of Pantheon DE

[@cameronbosch1213]

There is an option if you use the Everything ISO. But that's for advanced users... 🤦‍♂️

[@LucianC137]

See you all in 15 years for eOS 8

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Hahaha maybe just 1 year, and OS 8 will get updates all the time, like OS 6 did!

[@peterpumpkineater301]

Great in depth review, thanks! Keep it up, all the best.

[@liren9192]

At 08:23 is this in reference to snapcraft? if so, what exactly is the issue with it?

[@TheLinuxEXP]

For servers, nothing, it’s great. For desktop apps, it’s slow, the store backend is proprietary, you can’t create your own repos and it lacks a lot of features Flatpak has ;)

[@liren9192]

@@TheLinuxEXP I see, great to know, thank you!

[@greatwavefan397]

Hey, Nick! Have you considered checking out WattOS R12 some time? I know it won't be as fast as other operating systems that run from RAM, but I've wanted to try it on some old laptops because batteries back then didn't seem to last that long.

[@igordasunddas3377]

Thanks for the video. I do use Firefox on my Macs, my PC, my iPhone and my Android phone... And I just might install on my TV if need be and possible.

[@jethrot100]

Polished and smooth gets my attention.

[@burning_KFC]

As always writing a comment to support the channel

[@dstinnettmusic]

Elementary needs to make hardware. Someone in the Linux space needs to make a bespoke laptop that is hand and glove with a Linux distribution. System76 is the closest, but I don’t think they can get there until they fully divest from the Ubuntu base. Elementary may have similar issues. Fedora?

[@WilburJaywright]

I literally left Elementary OS because Firefox didn’t show up right in the dock: It had a strange low-resolution double icon.

[@Ramnokri]

hey greets :) i got a question, that maybe someone here can answer me: i currently have zorin OS installed on my laptop. when i installed it i choosed he option to put root on a sepreate partition. Since zorin didnt get a lot of updates recently i thought about switching to ElementryOS or PoP!OS... but iam afraid that, when i reinstall linux, that my root is gone. Can I safely just change the distro without loosing the most important stuff?

[@jadongearhart]

Literally today I downloaded 6.1 to put on a vm to try out. Lol

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Haha woops

[@Hiram8866]

4:40 Skeuomorph. As a native English speaker I had to look that one up.

[@MyReviews_karkan]

15:47 no "minimize" for windows. They've just buried this feature forever. I don't understand the hate for the minimize button by gnome and elementary OS? I don't care how much people yap about how it's ok to not have a minimize button, first thing I always do is enable my previous minimize.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

I learned to not use it at all, it’s not a big deal to me, but it depends on people’s workflow, I guess

[@MyReviews_karkan]

@@TheLinuxEXP I tried not using it, I legit got stressed out. Lol

[@proctoscopefilms]

All the good music library organization programs on Linux are outdated :(

[@israellai]

Wow didn't realise they do embargos

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Well, they ask you to, but you don’t have to: anyone could have published a test using a beat build at any point :)

[@jd31068]

Thank you for the excellent review

[@INTEL-REDACTED]

i was a chrome/chromium user. proud to say i have switched back to firefox at long last.

[@chilaquiles2k]

How compatible is with intel based old Macs hardware?

[@yapayzeka]

I loved elementart OS and used for 4 years but I siwthed to pop_os when the last update broke my display drivers. They already lose me. I am done with elementary.

[@theodoros_1234]

13:09 You have a good taste in music

[@fuseteam]

Nick: soooo few aaaapps Me: *stares at the animation for 'back' in gnome web **10:42** and the appcenter **9:04*

[@mdavid1955]

Do you still have to add Tweaks to get a minimize window button?

[@RobertHalvarsson]

I think they really are onto something. I used it for a time, but still favour Mint and regular old Ubuntu. If they choose to maintain their niche app center they should at least include twenty or so apps OOTB that are considered staple for a normal OS-experience. That's pretty much my main gripe, and made me reconsider my trust in their line of development, and that was before the conflict. But I'm still happy that they continue, because I think they actually make many neat solutions.